The Kevin Sheehan Show - DC Olympics + WR Questions

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

Kevin and Thom today with talk of vacations to start including Kevin's trip to Ireland and Thom's toting of his grand-daughter from Spokane to Wildwood, NJ. The boys talked about Ted Leonsis' tweet promising an eventual Summer Olympics in DC. Then it was Commanders' talk with the team adding Martavius Bryant to the WR room raising more questions about that position group. The guys also talked Steph Curry and his ranking among the greatest shooters in history.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show is Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. We're back together after about a week and a half off. Tommy, I got this from Stefan.

He writes, boys can do a week without you together, but not two. When the hell are you coming back? We're back. Tommy's still on vacation. He is perpetually on vacation. You're still in Jersey? Where else are you headed before the Labor Day weekend comes? No, no, no.

This is last weekend, well, last a week ago Monday, I flew out to Spokane to get my granddaughter. Oh, right. This was the Spokane trip. You love so much. And then came back on Tuesday. And it was uneventful, no problem. Uh-huh. and she's actually in much better shape that I thought she'd be in,

just in terms of being a human being. And so now we're down at Wildwood with the whole in-laws family for our annual weekly vacation down here. And after we come back this weekend, that's pretty much it for vacations. Right. You're talking about the in-laws, you're talking about your wife. wife's family. You're all together with your granddaughter, whom in the past, when you've had to make that trek out to Spokane to pick her up and bring her back, there have been some issues.

Like she, I'm sure she's a wonderful young woman, but the way she dressed seemed to bother you in the past. Yes. Well, I've gotten over that. You know, I mean, the old more Tisha Adams look. Yeah, it was very gau. Yes. It's still a little bit of that, but not so much. And she's been a normal teenager. I've got to say I'm

pleasantly surprised. It's tough to please you, man. It really is. I hope she doesn't know the way you felt in the last couple of times that you've gone out there. And I hope that she does know the way you feel right now. That you are

not that you're pleasantly surprised, but that she's been very pleasant to be around. Listen, I don't think she cares one way or the other. Probably not. How old is she now? She'll be 15 in September. Yeah, these are not easy years, you know? No, they're not.

I know that. They need support. They need confidence building, Tommy. Not something that you're great at, necessarily. Listen, I flew across the country and back in two days to get her. Oh, okay. I'd say that's confidence-silding. So I do want to tell you about my trip to Ireland.

We will get to some football because there is some news from Ashburn this morning. We will get to that. We've got Olympics to talk about. Ted wants the Olympics in D.C. You know, they made a run at it for 24. Imagine if the Olympics had just concluded here after the weather that we've had over the last couple of weeks. But I have been saving my. Ireland trip sort of detail for you because I didn't want to talk about it by myself.

You've been to Ireland. I went for the first time and I mean, I won't bury the lead. I loved it. I absolutely loved Ireland. Everywhere we went, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the people. There is no way in hell that I'm not going back. I will definitely go back for a golf trip, you know, with my boys.

for sure. Maybe my dad, maybe my brother, maybe my brother-in-law. We'll see if we can put together one of those trips because, you know, golf is rather important in that country and the courses are spectacular. I'll tell you about one course in particular that we did play. But I loved it, Tommy. Dublin is just okay. We were there for a couple of days. You know, you can have Dublin. It's fine. I mean, we were in that city center area. So there were a lot of toys. chorists, and it was very crowded. There are beautiful, you know, areas of Dublin, and we drove around a lot in Dublin. Obviously, went to pubs.

We did a lot of pubs. We drank a lot of beer. I think I've told you this before. I'm not a big Guinness guy. I drank Guinness to start, and then I moved to Smithwicks is the way it's spelled, but it's pronounced Smittywicks. I don't know if you had that beer. It's a good logger.

That was served almost everywhere. Went to a pub called Sheeans. That was right in the heart of downtown Dublin. I think there were probably many Sheeans pubs throughout the country. But had a blast. The best part of the trip was probably when we got down south and we were in a little town called Kinsel. Where did you go?

Yes. Where did you go? I forget. I don't remember. We went to Cork. We went to Galway. Yeah. A few other places.

We were in Cork. We were in a dare, which was beautiful. We were in Limerick, which was nice. The Kinsale part of the trip, that's about as far south as you can go. And then we played a golf course. my son Corvin and I played a golf course called Oldhead. And I just want you to pay attention because typically you nod off when there's any sort of golf talk. Old Head is a piece of property.

I would guess map-wise, it may be the furthest south in the country you can go. There may be spots on the west coast that are further south, but Oldhead is a golf course, Tommy, that sits on a plot of. of land about 500 to 1,000 feet of elevation above the Atlantic Ocean, and you're surrounded except for a small sliver of road that takes you into the golf club by the Atlantic Ocean. And the views are spectacular. The walk is really what it's about. The golf is fine. There are probably golf courses in Ireland that golfers are much more inclined to play and enjoy from a golf standpoint. I mean, they're all over the place. But Oldhead is one of those destinations for

not just golfers. I mean, Kara and my son Casey and my son Corbyn's girlfriend, Riley, all met us after our round there. And we sat outside. It's one of the most, spectacular views, ocean views from a plot of land that I think maybe even exists anywhere. I'm not being hyperbolic. It's that gorgeous. You can look at the pictures. You can go online and take the drone flight through the course, but really enjoyed that. And then we had dinner in Kinsale, which is about 15 minutes, I guess, north of that as you come off this incredible cliff with a golf course. But I love the trip.

It was a great trip. Loved Ireland. I loved the Irish people are great. Of course, you know, when you're Kevin, Corbyn, Casey Sheen with, you know, Riley and Kara along for the trip, you know, it's not that hard. We had a great time. We had a great time. Loved it. We'll definitely go back.

We did not make it to the West Coast where you said, I mean, when I say the West. coast. You were in Galway. We didn't go that far west. The furthest west we went was limerick. Cork was fine. I think that the big, the two big cities, Dublin and Cork, are like any other, you know, I don't know, there are some beautiful European cities. I'm not putting Dublin in the class of Paris or Amsterdam or anything like that. But I like the cities, but I think the countryside's gorgeous and some of the little towns are incredible. And I was very surprised at how good the food was. That's a big thing when we travel is, you know, finding the right places to eat. And I think we got really good recommendations and found some really good spots. Did you feel like you were

home? Did I feel like I was home? No, I didn't feel like I was home. But I... There was no kind of like deep heartfelt connection there. Not really. I mean, I think that there's something about the Irish people that I've always enjoyed. And, you know, they're up for fun. And we were out, you know, a couple of late nights and we had a great time. But I, I just, I loved it. Usually when I'm on a trip, I can't wait to get home after like day two or three.

You know, it's like, all right, that was great. Let's get back to our routine. But this one was great. And the golf, we played a course. So we played twice. We played Oldhead, and we played a place called Co-Louth. It's called Baltre. It's north of Dublin.

And that was the true, you know, sort of Irish lynx golf experience. And we had a great time. And that was around that we would go back and play again. We'd go back to Oldhead, too, no doubt, just for the appreciation of the, of the place. But I loved it. I mean, we didn't do a lot of the things that, you know, I didn't make it to the cliffs of more. You know, that's a little bit further west. You know, we- That's something we did. Yeah, and I've heard that that's spectacular. So we didn't get there. We got to a bunch of other places. And yeah, it was great. I loved it.

I would go back there in a heartbeat. recommend it to anybody that has had a desire to go there but hasn't gotten it done. But I have a feeling a lot of people have gotten it done. And all the travel went okay? Yeah, except for the flight over. I think I told you this. Didn't I tell you this on my... Yeah, you were stuck with the common people and you were trying to get out.

I was in a middle coach seat on the flight over. Oh, my God. On a six and a half hour flight. Now, it was premium economy, which meant extra leg room, but it was still a middle seat in coach. We could not upgrade, and I could not get an aisle. And let me just say that on top of that, well, literally on top of me sat a rather large woman in the seat next to me on the aisle. and she had a very young, less than year old baby who she traded back and forth with her husband

who was about four rows back also in a middle seat. I almost at one point said, I'll switch with your husband, but he was much further back in the plane, and it wasn't the premium economy seat with the extra leg room, but it was not a comfortable flight going over at all. It was one of the most... You didn't sit next to any family members?

No, we, Karen and I couldn't sit together. Corbyn and Riley, they were in the way back. Yeah, it was, it was not. How did you like that happened? I know. It was not, well, you know this, that we put this together kind of last minute. It was not a six-month-ago plan. It was more like a month and a half ago plan.

and the flights going over on the days that I could take off, which, you know, basically can't take off the week the camp starts and have to kind of be back once that first preseason game is played. So that was the opportunity there in that week. And yeah, the flight, look, nobody cares. All right, nobody cares. So we'll move on. I did get to sit up front. We did get to sit up front. on the flight back, on Air Lingus, which was a lovely airline,

which I had never flown before. We flew United over an air lingus coming back. The Irish Airlines, very, very happy people. And that was a pleasant flight. We were in business class for that flight back, which is a longer flight, you know, going west because you're going into the headwind. Yeah.

Into the headwind. Right. But yeah, loved it. You know, I forgot. I forget what you said about whether or not you enjoyed it to the point where you would go back. We wouldn't go back. No? I wouldn't go back.

I enjoyed it. But, I mean, it doesn't move back. It doesn't, it's not on the list of places I want to go anymore. There's other places that I haven't been to that I want to go. And I'd go back to Italy in a second. Well, of course. You know? Yeah.

But I've had my fill. I enjoyed it. But there was nothing magical about it for me. Where do you want to go that you haven't been? What's number one on the list? Because Italy, for me, I'm the same as you. That if you told me I've got to go to Europe and spend, you know, a couple of months there living there, it would be Italy one. You know, whether it's outside of Rome or somewhere in Tuscany, that would be.

probably be number one on my list. But in terms of where you haven't been, where would you want to go? You know, that's interesting. There's not that many places left internationally. I mean, I would love to go to Egypt, but not now. Right. Not, you know, given the climate of the past 20 years, but I would, you know, if I felt safe. And I know a guy who just went to Egypt. And I know a guy who just went to Egypt. on a tour. My son was there, not long ago. They had armed guards on the tour. Yeah.

But I would love to go to Egypt and see the pyramids and stuff. That would be pretty cool. Have you been to Asia? Have you been to Japan? I've been to Japan. I've been in Japan for three weeks for the Winter Olympics in 1998. Not a big fan. Have you been anywhere in South America?

I've been to Brazil. You've been to Brazil, of course. Yeah. Yes. I've been to Brazil for a journalism conference. Right. Sports journalism conference. But I was in Brasilia, which is this manufacturer city that they made in the middle of the country.

That's the capital of the country. Yeah. And it's not like, you know, like Rio or something like that. Right. So, yeah, I've been to Brazil. Yeah, I think Asia is where I haven't been that I'd like to go to. You know, I would like to go to Japan. I'd like to go to Tokyo.

I'd like to go to Kyoto. I'd like to go to some of those places. I've heard that actually they're great. You said you didn't love it. But I think that would be a trip that I'd like to do. And I've never been to Greece, and I've heard that's awesome. Yeah, now that's, I'd be interested in that. Yeah.

The cradle, civilization, and all that stuff. Right. All right. Well, there you go. That was my trip. I don't have anything else to share. Loved it. definitely going back for a golf trip,

whether it would probably be there, although Scotland would be a great place to go play golf as well. So, do you have any thoughts on the Olympics that just wrapped up? Well, I have to admit. I watched more than I thought I would. I found it more compelling than I thought I would. So I was able to suspend my credibility meter on, you know, some of the events like track and field and things like that. Because I've told you, I mean, I think, like most of those events, I think they're all juicing.

I think they're all cheap. You know, but I still enjoyed watching it. And I think it was probably one of the better Olympics we've seen. the past 50 years. Wow. In terms of people's interests, in terms of no particular screw-ups or disasters.

And I think everyone was pretty happy with the outcome. One of the best Olympics in 50 years? Really? That's where you got to in just about 10 days? Because four or five days into this thing, you were mocked. 1980. 1980, there's no Olympics, 84.

Right. In 1980, it's in Moscow. 84. It's in L.A. 88. It's in Seoul. No great shakes. 92 in Barcelona was pretty good. I wasn't there, but from all accounts, it was pretty good. 96 in Atlanta, you have the bomb at Centennial Park. 2000 at Sydney was great. I was there for that.

So maybe over the 50 years. It ranks with probably Sydney and Barcelona as one of the more successful Olympics. God, you were rattling off Olympic cities there. That was impressive. I mean, I think I could, I don't know that I could have done that over the last. I think I remember more like the 70s and 80s Olympics sites, you know, like Munich and Montreal, that I, you know, you ripped off. I wouldn't have been able to tell you if you had asked me which year's

Sydney was. What followed Sydney? Athens, Greece, which wrecked the economy of the country. What about, what about, so what was that? So if Atlanta was 96, Sydney was 2000, so 2004 was Athens, what was 2008? I have no idea. 2008 was Beijing. Wow. The Olympics that was supposed to change to China. Make them more friendly, makes them more open. That whole Olympic bullshit that you hear out there. And then was it London after, wasn't London 2012? 2012. I think London was 2012.

Yeah. Yeah, but 2016 was Brazil. Brazil. And that was, again, another financial disaster for the whole country. Talk about a country with getting in bed with the wrong people. In 2014, they hosted the World Cup, and in 2016, they hosted the Olympics. That company was almost, that country was almost broke after that. So you don't think hosting the Olympics is a good idea?

Oh, it's an absolute, most times, the purpose of it is to bleed money out of the city and the country. Because it leaves financial wreckage, almost wherever. it goes. Because one of our favorite people, Ted Leonis, tweeted out this morning. It was actually a retweet of Adam Tuss. Is Adam Tuss WTOP radio? I think he is. No, he's NBC 4. My fault. No, he's NBC 4. Yeah, NBC 4. So he tweeted out, as we wrap up the Olympics, a reminder that DC bid on the 2024 games. Spoiler, we did not get selected as the host city, but this is what was envisioned and he put out some pictures of what the plan was, you know, as part of the bid. And Ted retweeted that and wrote, this will happen in the future and it will be amazing for the

city, region, country, and world. We learned a lot during our 2024 bid and will apply those lessons. Excited for LA 2028 and Salt Lake City in 2034. Why? Oh, Salt Lake City. Those are the next two American sites. So that'd be the Winter Olympics. 2034. So Ted's going to make another run. They want to make another run at the Olympics. What year would

that be for? 2036 or 2040? Well, it must be because 2032 is in Brisbane, Australia. Brisbane? And that's as far out as they've gone. Okay. All right. So it'd be for 2036, which, by the way, I believe that D.C. Congressional will be hosting the Ryder Cup in 2036. I think that's the year. They'll be hosting the Rider Cup. It's awfully presumptuous and ambitious to plan to 2036, isn't it? Yeah, but you think about it. He's in great shape. He's in great shape. How old is Ted? Ted's 70 maybe? I don't know. You don't know?

But he is in good shape. He looks like... He's 67 years old. He's in great shape. He's kept himself in great shape. He's younger than me. Yeah, he's 67. according to Wikipedia, his net worth is three point, according to Forbes, excuse me, his net worth is $3.1 billion in 2024. You know, which is, again, this is one of the great mysteries to me is how this guy managed to be so successful with such a diluted vision. I mean, thinking that the Olympics are going to wind up in Washington, I mean, it's one thing, it may not be as prevalent as it was, but the IOC hates America. Okay, they may have come to grips with that now that the Olympics are coming to Los Angeles.

But of all places, Washington is a symbol of that hatred for a lot of the hatred for a lot of the rest of the world. Okay? That's where... Sure. That's where... You know, so... Yeah.

It's... It's the kind of city that symbolizes stuff that would not sit well with the rest of the world. And that said, it would be a financial disaster because you have to... The governments have to put up...

have to guarantee the money for the cost of building infrastructure and all that, And when those debts start rising, like they did in Tokyo, to like $14 billion or something like that, it's the government that has to flip the bill. Okay, so the Olympics are a financial disaster for most countries. I'll be curious to see how Paris comes out. From all accounts, they expect to do well, but, you know, we'll see in two years what the bill is for Paris.

or what it cost them alone just to clean up the river so they could swim in it there. But, I mean, this guy, the arena football league, you know, putting the arena over in Northern Virginia without having a clue about how it could blow back on them and now still counting the Olympics. I mean, I just, how does a guy like that get to $3.3 billion?

$3.1. Yeah, he's, you know, know, as we've talked about before, he could be played by William H. Macy in the cooler. No, look, I don't know enough about, I trust you on a lot of the disasters of other cities and that, you know, maybe Paris will end up joining that list. I mean, I have no idea what it would do for the economy. I have no idea what we'd be left with. I think we'd be left with a brand new football stadium and a brand new basketball hockey arena.

which certainly would have been a great result from having the Olympics here. But I always just think of, can you imagine if the Olympics the last two weeks were here with the temperatures averaging in the mid-90s, mid-to-upper 90s, with heat indexes in the hundreds, with the traffic that our city already has issues with, not to mention, you know, I think D.C. is a fairly safe city compared to a lot of others. I really do. But it would have to be a lot safer than it, you know, the reputation isn't great. And all it would take would be one elderly couple from, you know, Sweden to get, you know, to be victims of some sort of crime for everybody in the world to hate Washington even more than

they do now. I wonder how it would have worked logistically, though, traffic and weather. And it just would have been miserable for people to have been here for the two weeks that just concluded. Just weather-wise, it would have been miserable. Yes, you're right. You see how security, if you've ever seen it, you know how security gets in D.C. When they hold maybe one of those G20 conferences or something like that. Okay, imagine the security in Washington for the Olympics. So imagine what that bill would be.

I'll bet you're looking at $10 billion alone in security costs the host the Olympics in Washington. And here's another secret that they don't like to tell everybody when they're promising the streets are going to be paid with gold. More people leave the city to host the Olympics than come to the city. You've told me that before. That happens all the time. Yeah, well, I think, yes. Here's the thing that I think it's just interesting. Ted kind of misjudged the consumer feel on the move to Potomac Yards for the basketball and hockey team.

I just think sometimes his feel for what monumental means to this town is just incredibly delusional. I don't think most people know what monumental even is. And I'm talking about sports fans. I don't know anybody that watches that network other than for the games when they're on. and look, nobody's been watching Wizards games for a long time. And, you know, the hockey games are kind of niche when it comes to ratings anyway. And I would bet that D.C. residents, DC DMV people would probably not be thrilled with the Olympics coming here. I bet that just judging on some of the responses to his tweet, I think a lot of people recognize what you recognize is that ultimately the juice wouldn't be worth

the squeeze. Although the idea of being left with a world-class football stadium built by anybody other than DC taxpayers would certainly be a nice benefit to hosting something like that, as well as a new arena for the basketball and hockey team. But I think when he tweets this out, he thinks that overwhelmingly people would love this to happen. And I don't think that's true. I don't, I'm just guessing, I would guess that 50% of DMV people would say, absolutely not. I would not want the Olympics here. Yeah, I wrote a couple weeks ago, a column about how the city, how, you know, commanders fans would have had their football stadium if they indeed did host the Olympics.

Right. Now, Washington struck out twice on trying to host the Olympics so far this century. they wanted to host the 2012 games too, and that bid failed as well. So why do the bids fail? Is it weather? Is it traffic? Is it just logistically very difficult? Wasn't the last bid a Baltimore-Washington bid, where they would have used M&T Bank,

where they would have also used, you know, the Comcast Center in College Park? They would have used a lot of Maryland's facilities. Wasn't it a combined kind of Maryland-D-C bid? It started out that way. but then Baltimore was dropped from it, and it just became a D.C. area bid. So what's the reason that they haven't made any headway in their bids here? Again, I think the main reason is it's Washington, D.C. And it's a trigger.

It's a trigger city for a lot of people. I think that's diffused a little bit with the current IOC. But internationally, Washington is considered the most powerful city in the way. world. There's a lot of baggage that comes with that. It's also a beautiful city. My hometown is. And there is something about like the Olympics in highlighting how great of a city we live in would be kind of cool. But I understand a lot of the pitfalls. Although I'd love to see, you know, that plan or the bid in detail. I don't know if it exists anywhere. I would love to read through like what it would cost, what the expected, you know, incremental revenues to the city would be. All of that stuff

would be interesting to me. But what you've said, and you've said this for years, is that usually it just leaves in its wake destruction. And a lot of the things that people assumed were, you know, they were made asses of after the fact. And one of those things being a lot of the people that live there basically leave, and you're left with just the people that come into town to consume the Olympics, and that isn't enough for those two weeks. Here's a story. This one story among many. At the 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City, the mayor of Salt Lake went on local TV and begged residents to come downtown to go to the restaurants because the restaurants were half empty. and these restaurants had hired extra help,

some of which had expanded their actual infrastructure in anticipation of the 2002 winter games and what they were promised in terms of big crowds. Look, Salt Lake City isn't Washington, D.C. You know, it's completely different, not to mention that a lot of those events probably weren't even in Salt Lake. They were in Park City, they were in Deer Valley, you know, all the ski stuff. But that's typical for a Winter Olympics.

L.A. to me seems like a city that can really handle the Olympics. You know, it is massive, you know, geographically. Washington is not. No East Coast City could, you know, and I'm talking about Northeast because Atlanta did host the Olympics, but Atlanta's more spread out geographically than Washington or Philadelphia or New York. Like, L.A. is the city that has the infrastructure, has the geography, has a lot more to offer than any, you know, tightly wound high-density East Coast city. I think it would be really hard. I mean, New York, could New York ever host an Olympics? No.

Right? Where would, you're going to put the opening ceremonies in the Meadowlands? Yeah. Well, when they have bid on the Olympics, they, like Washington, bid with the idea that they would build a new stadium. But where would you build it? You're not going to build it in Manhattan. You can't build it in Manhattan.

I think it was going to be in the lower west side. Really? Where they wanted to put the jet, and that would be the stadium where the jets would play. Right. I think that was part of the plan many years ago. My God, can you imagine a stadium in the lower. or West Side and trying to get to the events.

I mean, they did this preview on Sunday night and the closing ceremonies. It may have been the show that followed the closing ceremonies and talked about all the venues that are being used out in L.A. I mean, they've got two massive basketball arenas. You know, the one that's going to open this year for the Clippers, the one, you know, obviously in downtown L.A., where the Lakers and Clippers have played. You've got SoFi. You've got the Coliseum in which the Coliseum is going to be used for opening ceremonies and track and field.

You know, it's not going to be at SoFi. They hold a NASCAR race inside the Coliseum. It's still a very viable ability. Clearly. SoFi, you know what they're going to use Sofi for? Swimming. It's going to become the largest swimming venue in the history of the Olympics. You know, you've got every arena and stuff.

stadium that UCLA has. You've got the Rose Bowl. I mean, you've got Anaheim. Although Denton, my radio producer, Denton told me yesterday that the women's softball, which I guess is a sport in 2028, is going to be competed in Oklahoma City. I'm like, how does that make sense? I know that softball is huge in Oklahoma, but how does that make sense for the? the athletes. It's like they're not in the Olympics. That's weird. Well, that's how, I mean, they held the surfing in Tahiti somewhere for these Olympics.

They did? Yeah. I guess, well. Surfing was in Tahiti, I think. Well, yeah, certainly couldn't have been in Paris. I don't know if it could have been in the south of France. I have no idea. Norman, Oklahoma, I think, is the home to the National Softball Hall of Fame. Wow. So it's big there. Look, the mayor of Los Angeles has gone on record saying they want to make the 2028 Olympics car free. Oh, boy. Car free. They don't want to allow any cars within the city and just have buses to take people everywhere.

Yeah, the driving capital of the world. Good luck on that one. All right. We got other things to get to, and we will. By the way, I do want to ask you if you watched the men's basketball at the Olympics, because it was pretty good. We'll see what Tommy thought about it right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey, guys, the slightest of edges make a huge difference in the games that we love to watch.

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grow fonder. That happens to me when I'm on vacation and I'm away from Shelly's backroom at 1331 F Street Northwest. You can't find the Shelly's of Wildwood? You can't smoke. I never did this before. I never smoked cigars on the beach because I recognize that that would be an intrusion for around people because people are pretty crowded on the beach. But you can't smoke on the boardwalk here. I used to love to have a sit down. a bench, have a cigar, have people watch on the board wall. You can't do that anymore. That's one of the things you can do with Shelly.

You can sit outside and watch people while you're smoking a cigar. Or you can sit inside and watch the people come in, and there's some very interesting people that come in the shellys. But I always miss it when I come back. I always appreciate how lucky Washington, D.C. is to have a place like Shelly's. It's one of the premier cigar bars in the country with a great menu for food, for drink, top shelf drinks. You know, the top 25 cigars by Cigar and Fisianato magazine are there for sale.

I mean, you know, when we talk about the Olympics, Shelley's would be the ultimate hangout if Washington ever hosted the Olympics. People from all over the world would come to Washington. You wouldn't be able to get into Shelly's if we had the Olympics here. You'd have to make reservations to get to Shelly's six months in advance. Look, I could get into Shelly's because I'm the mayor. Let's not forget that. Yeah.

I'm the mayor of Shelly. It's the one government job you would take. Yes. So I can't wait to get back. One of the reasons I can't wait to get back home is to head to Shelly's and have one of my favorite spokes and a Sierra Nevada on Tats. Yeah. Jellyspackroom.com for more information.

So did you watch the Men's Olympic basketball final? I watched the semifinals against Ukraine. And I watched the final. Against Serbia. Against Serbia. I'm sorry. And? And?

And? Well, look, the Ukraine game. I tell you why. Serbia game. They owe Steph Curry. I mean, the Serbian game. They own Steph Curry, whatever, I mean, that Olympic gold medal, they should just give all their gold medals, collect them,

and give them the Steph Curry, because they don't win either of those games without him. And they were lucky to beat Serbia. You know, I mean, they played a waltzy game. They didn't defend against anybody, but Curry shot great in that game. And then what he did in, in France in that brief period.

The four three-pointers, right? Yep. Four in the final two and a half minutes. That was jaw-dropping. It really was. No matter what I think of the three-point shot, to watch what he did was historic in terms of Olympic basketball.

All right. Let's cut to the chase here. He's the greatest shooter that's ever lived. Can you admit that? Well, that's interesting. It's hard not to say he's the greatest shooter that ever lived. But, you know, he's 12th all time in NBA 3-point percentage. Is Ray Allen one?

No. Steve Kerr is one. Yeah, but, you know, the number of attempts, it's, yeah. Steve Kerr was a great shooter. He was a great shooter. Seth Curry is ahead of him. He's eight. Seth Curry is ahead of his brother percentage-wise?

Yeah. Yeah, I think, look, we're talking about the volume of three-point attempts. Now, Seth Curry doesn't play enough for the volume to be anywhere near his brother's volume. And Steve Kerr, and back then they just didn't shoot the same number of threes. So I hear what you're saying. I think that there are percentages in different categories and different sports that are more meaningful than that one. Now, if he was way to... Where is he on the list?

Percentage-wise, all-time three-point shooters? 12. Okay. But from this era, where is he? Oh, I don't know. I'm not sure. Because I bet it's... Look, I'm not going to argue that he's the great...

If you think he's the greatest shooter of all time, I'm not going to argue with you, but it's a very subjective case, because, I mean, there are great shooters. that didn't play in the three-point era. That's true. Yes. I mean, what would Rick Barry have done in the three-point era? I mean, I think Rick Barry was the greatest shooter I ever saw.

Look, I think Larry Bird's one of the greatest shooters I've ever seen. I think Reggie Miller in this era is really probably the guy. You know, he played in the era when it started to become more, you know, of a focus. but if Reggie Miller's career had sort of mirrored Steph Curry's career, I think Reggie Miller in terms of just a pure shooting strokes, one of the greatest ever. But yes. Steph Curry changed the game of basketball.

I will give you that. He's the guy who really made the three-point shot, elevated the importance of the three-point shot with his remarkable accuracy. and his ability to hit it from anywhere on the court without even flinching. It was a great performance, historic performance. He probably put himself in the top ten argument of players of all time. Again, a very subjective list. But I thought the basketball was great, but they were lucky to be there.

I thought they played a lousy game against Serbia. A couple of things. Number one, yes, Steph Curry changed the game profoundly because it wasn't the three-point shooting, and we've talked about this many times over the years. It was the length of the three-point shot that he started to shoot. He was the first to really stretch out well beyond the three-point line to 30-plus feet, which changed the dimensions of how you guarded the warriors. during that time. I mean, it just spaced the floor like we've never seen before, and that's changed

the game dramatically. You know, all of you basketball people understand the importance of spacing in basketball, and when you can space out the floor and you're forced a guard out to 35 feet, it just opens everything up, and he's changed the game because of that more than any other way the length of the three-point shot changed it. The games, so I did not see the Serbia game live. I was in Ireland for that. I didn't see it live. I've watched the condensed version.

Steve Kerr called it one of the greatest basketball games he's ever been a part of. In watching the condensed version and reading a lot about what people thought about the game, it is already being considered the greatest international game of all time. And I didn't hear you praise the game that way. You were more negative about how poorly the U.S. played and how lucky they were. Did you sense and feel the drama of the comeback and the game? Did you view the game as a great game? Look, particularly with the Olympics, more than any other event,

the people who cover it live inside a bubble. They live inside the bubble of the Olympics. And covering the Olympics is like a bubble, and you're oblivious what's going on outside. So I'm sure within that arena, at that moment, everybody who was covering it thought this was unbelievable. But all I looked at it was they were lucky to win because I thought they were lose to, to, to, to, to, a country from what I've read, to a team from what I read that maybe had three, besides

the obvious one in Jokic, had three NBA players on it, maybe, maybe four, you know? So, they dug themselves a hole, and thanks to Curry in particular, they were able

to dig themselves out. I don't give them a lot of credit for that. I thought LeBron was unbelievable. in that comeback. He was unbelievable as a facilitator, as a score, as a defender on Jokic when he ended up taking him. But that leads me to this, two things. One, and I talked about it a little bit yesterday on the podcast. Number one, watching the final, I did not expect to be as into it. And you're right. You know, when you're in these places, you're in

this your own bubble and you can get incredibly hyperbolic about a lot of things that people on the outside looking in don't feel the same way. But I felt that way about the final. I thought the intensity of that game really came through the television screen and I was into that game. I thought it was an incredible atmosphere. And I thought the, I actually think the international game, which is a shorter game, which is played differently. I think in many ways, People that don't like the NBA, but say like college basketball, would prefer the international game to the NBA. But that's a different subject altogether. I thought the final was incredibly intense and a great watch.

And then on top of that, as great as LeBron was, especially against Serbia, I have no idea how you don't give the MVP to Steph Curry. It's a tournament MVP, but there were only six games. played. They played three in the group stage and three in the knockout stage, and Curry scored 60 points and was 17 of 27 from behind the arc in the final two games. And what you said, I believe to be true as well. They don't win the gold if Steph Curry isn't there. And I, and I, I would have given him, I would have voted him the MVP. I certainly recognize LeBron's greatness. Tommy, LeBron, for your suspicious ways, I can't believe that you don't sound the alarm more on how much bigger, stronger, and faster he is as a 39-year-old than he was as a 29-year-old. But that man is unguardable right now.

He was, you know, in the playoffs in that series against Denver. He is the best shooter he's ever been. Now, that's more skill than it is, you know, athleticism, et cetera. But my God, he is a load. And he was great in these games. And I didn't watch all of them, but I would have given the MVP to Steph easily because they don't win without Steph. In the two most important games, the guy was 60% plus from the floor and 63% from behind the arc.

And he completely closed out France with one of the most memorable end. to any basketball game we've ever seen, those four threes in the final two and a half minutes. I agree. I agree with you. I mean, I felt Curry should have been the MVP. All right. We've got some football team news. We'll get to that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show is brought to you by Window Nation. If you've been thinking about new windows, give them a shot. That's all I ask of you. Give them a chance to come out to your home and give you a free estimate. There's no risk there. They'll come out. They'll go through your house. They'll be in and out in less than an hour. They'll leave you with a quote. And then you can

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checking out of maybe what, the third or fourth play that he's ever gotten in a game from the coaching staff. And, you know, he connected with DiMri-Brown on a 42-yard. He checked out of the play that was called. and even the coach said, even Dan Quinn said, you know, it's the thing of asking for forgiveness and not permission.

Right. What are your thoughts about that? Well, what are your thoughts? Because I've talked about it a lot over the last two podcasts. What are your thoughts? Well, my thoughts would be, look, there's no shortage of people holding a parade for Jane Daniels based on the way he played. And I understand that.

But if I'm Cliff Kingsbury, and my, My rookie quarterback is checking out of my playbook in the first five or six plays. I have a problem with that, even if it works. Well, I don't have a problem with it all. Remember, part of the playbook, playbook when you say playbook are checks or audibles. They practice. If you see this, audible to that. It's part of Cliff Kingsbury's playbook to audible to the all-go.

What the issue was is that they didn't want him audibling in this game. They didn't want him checking to a drop-back throw because they had a limited offensive line in front of him because there were so many players that weren't playing that are projected to be a part of their starting offensive line. And so that's what Quinn, you know, divulged in that quote, was, you know, he wasn't really supposed to check because we didn't want to put him in danger in a pure dropback. And, oh, by the way, that was a five-wide empty set. If the Jets had a blitz call, as an example, he could have been in big trouble. They didn't. They just rushed four.

And I think Jaden knew, you know, what he was doing and the ball was going to come out quickly regardless. But I don't have a problem with it. at all. In fact, I think, you know, the reaction of, of Jaden as he looked across the field, probably right at Cliff Kingsbury with that smile, was, look, I know you didn't want me to do it, but they were press coverage, and I wanted to take advantage of it, because we've worked on this. You know, when you see this kind of a defense with this kind of call, and the bubble screen was going to get blown up. I don't think this is insubordination. I think, like I think I said yesterday, This isn't like the, and I forget what movie this is from, is it the longest yard where they, instead of, you know, running out the clock, they run a flea flicker at the end.

Maybe that's another movie. But I was totally fine with it. But of course, I am predisposed to thinking that Jaden Daniels is going to be great and is going to be easy to coach and is going to be a good player. Look, it's a preseason game. The only thing you're trying to do is keep everybody. upright. And in the case of young players get their feet wet a little bit, and it's much better that he completed that ball and then got, by the way, an extra, what, eight plays because of it, which ended in a touchdown, rather than have a bubble screen get blown up for minus two yards,

and he leaves the game, you know, one for two for minus two yards, and we have to wait until, you know, this week to see him play more. You know what? You're right about all that. it's just a little bit early to have him blowing off the coach. What you did see, it's preseason. They weren't playing the jet starters. The Jets didn't play one defensive starter in the game. It's funny because, yes, you got a lot of people singing the praises of a lot of things.

And I've already emphasized this for the last two shows. We just, we forget, but I'm here to remind everybody. It's August 13th. and none of this matters. None of it matters. It only matters when we get to the regular season and very little of what you see, if anything, actually translates to the regular season.

But with that said, as you know, I'm a huge Jaden believer. And you saw, you know, just in that zone red touchdown run, just how quick and how good of a ball handler he is. And there's just a lot of talent there. I also, one of the takeaways I had from the game, Tommy, is I really think that Cliff Kingsbury is going to really run the football with Brian Robinson, Echler. I think this guy Wiley is going to have a chance to make the team, maybe in front of Rodriguez, believe it or not. But I think that there's going to be a lot of emphasis on as good as Jaden is, as fun as it would be to put in a lot of fun stuff.

his rookie season, they're going to protect him with the effort to try to really run the football. And I think you're going to see that. And I think they've got a really good back in Brian Robinson, Jr. to do it. Now, the news today, let me just mention this, they released kicker Ramiz Ahmed. That means that Riley Patterson is the only kicker on the roster. He's the one that missed a kick on Saturday in the game. And they signed Martavius Brian. Tommy, this is interesting.

for a couple of reasons. First of all, Martavius Bryant has not played in the NFL since 2018. For those of you that don't remember what happened, he faced a year-long suspension for a violation of the league's drug policy during the offseason in 2018 and then was suspended indefinitely for violating the terms of a reinstatement after that violation and wasn't reinstated until November of last year of 2023. He played in the XFL, the CFL. He's been all over the place, but has not been in the NFL. The Cowboys signed him briefly at the end of last year and then cut him loose. So this dude is not played in the NFL since 2018. Now, if you remember Martavius Bryant from is Steelers days. He's a big dude. I mean, he's 6-4, 6-5, something like that, 2-15, 220. He's a big receiver.

And they, I guess, are looking for size because they don't have it in Zechias. They don't have it in Jehan Dodson. And that's a whole other subject. We did a lot on that yesterday. Where, you know, they are with, Dotson's competing for something, Tommy. I don't know if it's to be part of just the rotation. I don't think it's to be a part of the team. I think they would trade them. They wouldn't release them. But just the idea of bringing in Martavius Bryant at this point with his baggage, you know,

tells you that they're not thrilled with everything they have at wide receiver right now, you know, other than Terry McLaurin. And I think Diami Brown, I think those are the two favorites of the coaching staff right now. He can't kick, okay? any? No. Can he kick? He can't kick. Well, that would seem to be the biggest priority right now. It's finding somebody who can kick. Well, they'll have a chance. But they don't seem to have anybody. No, they'll sign somebody after the cutdown date on August 27th. A lot of teams have two kickers. Well, I don't know if it'll be a good signing. I'm just saying they're going to have the option.

Teams don't carry two kickers, and more than half the league has two right now. So that puts it at its 16 kickers that'll be released at minimum on August 27th. Green Bay's got three kickers in camp right now. So they'll have a chance, especially with the second pick on the waiver wire based on where they finished record-wise to grab a kicker off of waivers or sign a kicker if they're not eligible for waivers. So can we say that signing Brandon McManus was Adam Peters's first big snapflex? Well, they clearly didn't have much of an idea of what was going on in Brandon's personal life, did they?

No, they didn't. No, they didn't. Yeah, look, if this team is what I think it might be, and it's just a hunch, you know, I went all in at 10 and 7 and a wild card berth. By the way, I have noticed a lot of people have now jumped on, I'm not saying they jumped on me in my prediction, but they've jumped on Washington as kind of that sleeper NFC team. And I think it's the same reasons I believe that it's possible, and that is new coaching staff, quarterback obviously, and a roster that actually isn't as bad as it looked last year.

We'll see. But I think coaching and quarterback could take this team from four wins to at least double that, if not more. But if the team ends up being in a lot of close games and they weren't last year, you know, they got blown out a lot. But if this season is a much more competitive season, which I would guess it has a chance of being, kicker's pretty important. And kicker is really important this year because of the new kickoff rules.

You've got to find a kicker that is really adept at putting it into that landing zone, you know, and away from the returners and having that ball potentially hit the, the ground in the landing zone. Still a lot to figure out on that front. But yes, they don't have right now the kicker position nailed down, far from it. And they're going to need to figure that out between now and September 8th. They got time, though, and they'll have options. Yes, they do. They have time. It's the preseason, baby. But back to receivers, man. Right now, Terry McClorn, Diami Brown, and Zekees are the three that I believe the coaching staff, is most confident in, and they've got those three penciled in to be, you know, on the field in the

opener against the Buccaneers. I don't know if they feel that way about Dotson, you know, I don't know if they feel that way yet about Luke McCaffrey or, you know, I think Zichias, the emergence of Zichias and the way they feel about him, which I've heard, is high IQ, great teammate, great culture guy, and has really played well on top. of that. He played for Quinn in Atlanta to start his career. I think that probably means Crowders in trouble, but Martavius Bryant being added to it, I mean, it's going to be interesting to see how the wide receiver position shakes out because you really hope that you can get your punt returner and kickoff returner from two guys that were going to be receivers

on your team anyway. You know, like Zekees, he could be the punt returner. Your kickoff returners, you'd love it to be two guys that you were going to have on the roster in positions, you know, in position spots already. And I don't know if that'll happen with kickoffs because I think Kaz Allen's got a chance to make it for kickoff returns. But anyway, that was the news today. And do you have anything else? Because I know you've got to run and I got a run.

All right. So you'll be back with me Thursday. Absolutely. All right. Get to the beach. Appreciate it. I'll be back tomorrow. Thank you.