The Kevin Sheehan Show - Deebo's Physique

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with full menu of eclectic excellence. Mad Men, Game 2 of the NBA Finals, and first names that are also months opened the show. Plenty on the Commanders' mini-camp wrapping up which included a lot of social media hysteria over Deebo Samuels' physique. The boys finished up with food, Juan Soto, and Brian Wilson.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I'm here. The show's presenting sponsor, Window Nation.

If you need new windows, my recommendation is that you give Windonation a call. 86690 Nation, or you can go to Window Nation.com. Tommy, this is from Josh to open up the show. Kevin, I've listened to you for so many years. and I know you haven't seen The Wire, but I'm shocked about Mad Men. I would bet money it would launch into your top three to top five all-time shows.

You might even enjoy it more than The Wire. Will you at least watch that one for us? Tommy's never watched Mad Men either, Josh. No. Yeah. I watch bits and pieces of it here and there. Maybe an episode here or an episode there, but no. And never, it's not in the Sopranos wire realm.

Yeah, I mean, for me, it wouldn't be in the Breaking Bad Game of Thrones realm and Sopranos. I know that I would like Mad Men. Everybody that's ever watched it has told me you would love Mad Men. And my guess is you, Tommy, would probably even love it more than I would love it. Because I think it's one of Tony's all-time favorite shows, and that's an era that you're much more familiar with than I am. I know, but again, my tastings of it have not been compelling. Okay.

What can I tell you? I guess it's because none of the characters seem likable. That's a requirement that the characters, some of the characters. Richard's be likable? I think you have to like somebody in the show. Right. Even if they're a bad guy, somebody has to be likable. Right.

I'm looking at the cast. I just think that's like the wire, the wire. I mean, there's the most likable guy is a killer and a criminal. Right. You know, Omar. Well, actually, McCulte, McCulte's probably the most likable guy, the detective. But you got to have, you have to have people. You know, you have to have somebody likable in the show.

They can't all be just evil caricatures. Right. Like, I'm looking at the characters in Mad Men because I'm really not that familiar. I know John Ham's in it. And the reason this came up for those that are wondering is I recommended the other day, your friends and neighbors,

which is an Apple TV show starring John Hamm. And it's nine episodes, season one. There will be a season two. They left you with, an obvious, you know, continuation into a season two. And I did read that Apple basically had paid for two seasons.

But John Ham's in it. Olivia Munn's in it. Amanda Peets in it. It's really good. It's very entertaining. I really enjoyed it. And it was a quick watch. Like, it's a quick binge. Nine episodes at 40 to 45 minutes each is pretty easy

to do. But I'm looking at Mad Men. Like, this January Jones, I've heard of her. I'm not really that familiar with her. I know that she was like a big character. I guess she played Don Draper, John Ham's character, his wife. But like even looking through the rest of Elizabeth Moss, okay,

I don't even know that many people. I guess I do know some of these people by face. Yeah. How many seasons is Madman? Like it would be too much of a commitment. wouldn't it? I think it's nine seasons. Oh, God.

Seven seasons, 92 episodes. Wow. You know, you know, who's not necessarily likable, but certainly watchable. Christina Hendricks, do you know her? I think so, yes. She's the Redhead who is very blessed. I mean, remarkably blessed. Let me pull up a picture of her.

No, actually, I'm not familiar with her. Oh, she is, she is a one. work of art. Yeah, she is, she is certainly blessed. That is for sure. Yes. I can see that. But isn't January Jones a Redhead, too? I don't know. I kind of dismiss people who are named after months of the year. You do? Really? So no girls name April? No. No guys named August. What other months of the year? May. August, yeah. January, no February. March, not really. April, yes. May, yes. June, yes. July? No. August, yes. September, no, October, no, November, no, December, no. So what is that? About six months out of the year? Ended up becoming names somewhere around there.

I have certain standards, yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, this show was a really good show, and I, you know, Howard Gutman, our good friend, texted me and said he loved your friends and neighbors. And then he said, he's watching a couple of other shows and suggested the show Mobland, which has now been recommended to me multiple times. I don't know what that's on. I think it might be on FX. I don't know if you've heard of it.

Have you heard of it? Have you heard of it? I haven't watched it yet. I've talked about this on Blue in the Face. Loudermilk. Oh, yeah. I know. I know.

I know you've told me. I think it's on Amazon Prime. I think he would go nuts over it. All right. well you know what this is the time of year to get it in this should be the time of year but not last night because you know what i was watching last night what i was watching the NBA playoffs Tommy they're still going on i know that that's surprising to you last night was game three of the NBA finals look the intensity of that game last

night the intensity of all three of these games and a lot of the games during the post-season And it's been great. I've really, really enjoyed the, just the competitiveness of it, the defense. The defense that Indiana played last night was off the charts. I mean, Oklahoma City is going to go down as one of the great defensive teams, especially if they win the title, and now they're down two games to one, in a long, long time. And Indiana is really good on defense, too. So it really is kind of a, at times, a tug of war just trying to make forward progress with the ball.

And somebody actually reached out to me to say, you keep talking about these great defenses and yet all these points are being scored. The reason for that is pace. You know, pace of play is a lot different in today's game than it was many years ago. You're not going to see 83 to 80. You're not going to see what you saw in the early 2000s before they got rid of hand-checking. You're not going to see 79-77 in an NBA game. But last night, did you watch it? I'm assuming you didn't.

Okay. This is a little bit complicated. Okay. Because I watched it, some of it. I watched the first half. And it was interesting. It was a good basketball game. Yeah.

You know, I mean, there was nothing there. that made me, you know, say, you know, maybe throw up or anything like that. I thought it was good. You're right. They suppose both, and Indiana was playing particularly great defense. Yep.

And then the halftime show came on. Oh, boy. The ESPN halftime show, which would barely qualify as the public access, halftime show. It's bad. So I started looking at my phone

during the halftime show, and I'm going through Brian Wilson videos. You know? We're going to talk about Brian Wilson. Right. And then, but when the second half started, I made an executive decision. I felt like my time would be better spent looking through Brian Wilson videos that would be the second half of the NBA finals.

So I turned the game off and started watching Brian Wilson videos. So I went on it for half the game. I switched. I don't watch that, I don't watch that pregame. I don't watch the half time. I immediately switched to Scott post game. he's doing a great job on the post game on ESPN after the game is over. Legler's on it, which now you get real analysis.

You know who is not terrible on the show is Bob Myers, who, by the way, was at... Oh, he's horrible. No, no, he isn't. He's horrible. No, the rest of them are horrible. Oh, my God. No, Bob knows... It's like a used car salesman.

He knows basketball, though. Steve... It's terrible. Yeah, this is so nuts. No, I actually don't. I actually don't mind here. Where you think like this is all good. You think Bob Myers is good.

He's terrible. Let me rephrase. Compared to the rest of the cast, he actually knows basketball. You know, he was a general manager for years, obviously, of a world championship team. Stephen A,

I respect the game. I respect the work ethic, all of that. because he is something else in terms of what he's created. He just doesn't know basketball. He knows the people. He knows the history. He knows the relationships.

And he's perfect for all of the drama stuff, which I don't really give a shit about. But Bob, in terms of the people on that set, and even perk to a lesser degree, at least they're talking basketball. It's not something Stephen A can do. And by the way, what's her face? She's beautiful.

I can't watch the show. I'm with you. It's terrible. And you know why? Because you compare it to the TNT thing, and nothing will ever be that. What's her name, Malika Andrews? She is drop dead beautiful. But beyond that, I don't like it.

But Bob Myers, I don't think, is terrible on the show. And he was at mandatory minicamp today. And John Kime tweeted out, I'm going to get back to the game here in a second. John Kime tweeted out that ownership was at mandatory minicamp today. I'll read the tweet exactly. Ownership in attendance today. Josh Harris, Mitch Rails, and Mark Ein, also Bob Myers is here. He's not suggesting, you know, he says also Bob Myers is here.

Bob Myers is not an owner, correct? I don't think so. I think he was head of the illustrious search committee, wasn't he? Yes, he was a part of the search committee for the GM and for the head coach. But does he have any equity in the franchise? He wasn't listed among these. There's 20 owners, right? 20 something, yeah.

I think there's 20 owners, and I had a list of all their names, but now I can't find it. But no, I don't recall him having a P-16. Well, then what was he doing the search committee for? He was doing it for Josh Harris. He's

Josh Harris' guy, apparently. Okay. I mean, too important. to actually hire, I think. You know, he's like his consultant. You know, it's not like he would hire him, so he maybe run the 76ers or something like that, you would think. But, you know, I think Bob Myers has reached the level

where he's so big, or considered so big now, that he's unhirable, except as some kind of guru. Okay. I guess what I'm saying is, I guess he could be doing it just because they're friends and he's doing it gratis, or if he's doing it and he's actually contributing something in the form of time for starters,

maybe they gave them some equity. Maybe they just gave them some, you know, a tiny piece of the team. I don't know. Maybe not. I don't think so. And look, I'm sure he's probably there in part because he's Josh Harris's friend.

Yeah. And it's a chance to go to an NFL camp. you know, for today. And I think it's probably good to be Josh Harris's friend. I think there's probably perks that come with that. Yeah, I guess. I mean, Bob Harris, Bob Myers has reached the highest levels of the NBA. He's a multi-time champion general manager.

I mean, he's probably not as rich as Josh Harris. I'm not suggesting that. But he's certainly, but he's certainly. but he's certainly, you know, well off. I typically in those situations, unless you're really friendly with the people, I mean, you can be an advisor, you know, and just offer lob, you know, call me whenever you need me. But when you're on a search committee and you're intimately involved in helping them pick the general manager and the head coach, they could have just paid him, I guess.

But usually you do that for, you know, you do that. for warrants or you do it for options or you do it for something that gives you like a piece of the upside that you're helping to create but I don't know honestly I don't really care I was just I didn't know if maybe I had missed that he had been on the list of owners but it sounds like you don't think he is an owner either I haven't seen anything like that maybe they're going to give him a restaurant on someone to land at RFK you know Bob Myers NBA Emporium or something like that. Would you go to that?

No. So back to the game last night, I was very much going into this series, a believer that there was no chance that Oklahoma City could lose to Indiana. And by the way, the odds makers felt the same way. Oklahoma City was a massive favorite. In fact, they are still a,

a favorite. I think they're minus 240 at my bookie right now to win the series, even though they're down two games to one, and the next game is in Indianapolis. They're actually a bigger favorite tomorrow night than they were last night.

But I have to say now, after watching three games, and especially last night's game, this thing's going seven. And even though I still am going to pick Oklahoma City, and I still think they're the better team, there was, there were parts of last night's game that were alarming if you're an Oklahoma

City backer or fan. For starters, it's been all about their defense through the postseason. Indiana's defense was spectacular last night. Secondly, Oklahoma City's not as well coached as Indiana. Rick Carlisle's just flat out better. Mark Daygold is, they do a good job and they've done it. Sam Presti, obviously, he's done a great job putting that team together. They're one of those teams that generates a lot of what they generate off their defense. Well, when they don't get it off their defense and they've got to play half court basketball for the majority of the game, they're just not as structured. They're just not as good as Indiana is in those situations. Last night's game in particular was scary if you're

an Oklahoma City person, because Shea Gilgis Alexander ran out of gas. At the end of the game, he was spent. And the reason, Tommy, is Indiana did something last night. Both of these teams pick up, you know, at times almost full court. But Indiana was legitimately in like a man-to-man full court press from the beginning. You just don't see that that much in the NBA. You see it in college. You see it in high school.

You don't see it a lot in the NBA. You certainly don't see it during the regular season. Now, with these two teams, you see a lot of picking up full court to really be the aggressor and to make teams either turn it over or delay them getting into their offense. But last night, man, Oklahoma City had so much trouble with the pressure. First of all, they should not use SGA as even a part-time ballhead. handler bringing the ball up against pressure. It's exhausting. That's part of why he got worn out. Indiana also really did a good job defensively. They just shaded him consistently into help all night

long. Number two is, I mean, I'm not going to act like I got all the answers, but I've done some of this before a much lower level understood. But anybody that's listening that's ever been involved, when you're getting full court pressured and you're struggling with it, stop throwing the ball in bounds to the guy that's standing right next to you on the baseline. Like sometimes in the corner, like throw over top of the pressure. Bring one of your big guys, Hartnstein, or Holmgren, down to the free throw line. Throw it to them. Let them turn and pass the ball forward.

And if nothing's there, then they can go backwards and you've got more. space. That team struggled so much. They threw Tommy three balls inbounds after Indiana scored last night to Indiana. T.J. McConnell

had three steals on in-bounds passes. Who did he remind me of? Who was the guy who played for Dallas who was such in the NBA finals? You know, kind of a Jason Terry?

Like a low, no, no, low-level player who was really... Oh, I know who you're talking about. I know who you're talking about. Yeah, foreign player. I forget who... I forget his name. Yeah, I'm blanking to.

I'm blanking to. I'm blanking to. But that's who he reminded me of. You know, I'd really heard of him before. But, yeah, I saw that. That was fun. You know, I... You know, of all the players on the...

J.J. Barreya. You're thinking of J.J. Barreya. That's him. Yeah. I'm thinking of him. Yeah. He reminded me of him. And look, like I said, the quality of basketball I thought was good in the first half. You know, it's just that I made an executive decision to find something better. And I was watching it for you.

I wasn't watching it for me. No, I almost, I almost texted you in the first half just to say, I think you would enjoy this tonight. I actually thought watching this game, we were heading, before the series started, I said, we're going to have one game that's like 135 to 1.30. or 128, 126, something like that. And I thought that's what we were headed for last night. It was a disappointing ending.

Look, Indiana deserved it. They were the better team last night. They were the better defensive team, which you rarely say in a game involving Oklahoma City. Tyrese Halliburton didn't wait around. Wasn't a no-show. He was aggressive from the beginning. Their bench... Almost had a triple double.

Their bench with... Up on the board. Yeah. Good. Matherin is a star, even though he comes off the bench. God, he could be easily half the teams in the league's best player or certainly second best player. He had 27 off the bench. We mentioned McConnell.

He's been outstanding throughout the postseason. Their defense, I mean, Seacom is a star. They were great. They turned Oklahoma City over 19 times and turned it into 21. points. I do think, though, out of the 19 turnovers, look, a lot of them were all about Indiana's defense, but there were a lot of careless, you know, Oklahoma City mistakes, like throwing it to T.J. McConnell on an inbound pass. I mean, you can't do that. I thought that Oklahoma City just ran out of gas. SGA looked exhausted. They can't use him against full court pressure. They use him

40 to 50% of the time to bring up the ball. He can't do all that. You know, no one can. You're not going to ask the guy that you're going to end up getting the ball and having him create a half court to bring it up as well. Like I felt the same way watching the Knicks. Why let Jalen Brunson labor that much bringing the ball up the court? They got to handle pressure better.

They just have to. And there are a lot of ways to do it. And they didn't use any of those ways. which was surprising to me. I think this is going seven, and I think we're going to have four more knock-down, drag-out, fun games to watch. The only thing disappointing last night is that it didn't end with, you know,

like a last possession, because it seemingly was headed towards that. But Indiana just was much better in the fourth quarter. They've been much better in the fourth quarter in all three games. Now, game two, it didn't matter because they were down by so many. Indiana is good. They're better coach to Rick Carlisle. Yeah.

He just, he's good, really good. That's who the Knicks should go after, after this series. How about everybody's turning down the next job? I know. I know, but you pay Rick Carlisle, you make him an offer, you can't refuse. I'll tell you what, before you fire a really good coach, you better have the solution. Yes. You better have the guy.

I don't understand why anyone gets fought. I don't know all the GMs, but all the GMs that I've dealt with over the years. Yeah. You know, like I said, I've told you this before, they have a list of guys they would hire, you know, like tomorrow if they fired their guy. Right. They're prepared, you know, and to do that without being prepared, oh, it's stolen. And it's, you know, he's a terrible owner. Terrible owner.

I mean, I mean, we had a franchise that hired an offensive coordinator and then couldn't hire a head coach and had to turn him into the head coach. I wonder what old Jimmy Zorn's doing these days. All right, let's talk, let's talk skins. We'll do that after these words from a few of our sponsors. So, guys, if you're starting to notice your hair thinning when you look at, Can the mirror join the club? You're not alone. Life gets busier and busier and you don't have much time to think about it or do something about it. That's why I'm going to help. I'm going to

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got everything, including a first-class online casino. Go to mybooky.orgie.org. Use my promo code, Kevin, D.C. All right. Let's talk, I guess, last day of mandatory minicamp. This will be it for a while, I guess. Dan... Hey, I've got some news for you. What do you have? Tell me. Apparently, Nikki from the post, tweeted out that, you know, Bob Meyer, is there for, well, it's the last day of minicamp, she tweeted out, the team is having a family cookout after practice. And there'll be a bounce house there. So that's why Mike, that's why Bob Myers is there for to cook out in a bounce house. There's no bounce house. There's, there's no, there's no moon. There's no moon bounce. No. She says, the team is having a family cookout after

practice. And then in parentheses, bounce house included. Wow. Okay. I see it now. I've seen them do that before. It's for the kids, obviously, what they bring in. And Bob Myers. Okay. What do you think? I bet it's a pretty damn good cookout.

You know, I wonder when the media cookout is. When do you think that is? I don't know. But you know what? They've done a great job with the media here in recent years. they were voted the Pete Roselle best PR staff in the NFL. They got that award. As they deserved it. Yes. You always want something done for you.

Of course. They do things for you by helping you with your columns when you need help. Uh-huh. I have nothing to do with a media cookout. You know who? Nice gesture. Do you know who holds a media cookout every summer

and I have not been to one of them because every single time it's been during a vacation week for me where I've not been in town. Mike Loxley, the head football coach at Maryland, holds a media barbecue at his house every summer. Now, I have not gotten an invitation for this summer. So maybe they stopped inviting me after I didn't post. I mean, I RSVP that I wouldn't be able to make it, but it was just bad timing each year. And who knows? Maybe Tommy there's another reason he doesn't want me to be at his barbecue. Or maybe they're just not having it.

That's a possibility too. But you know what? That's good business, you know, especially when you are a program that doesn't get a lot of attention and you're looking for additional attention. That's smart. yes absolutely well i wish they'd have a media cookout at the commanders i tell me you wouldn't go just to see me in the bounce house well you wouldn't get in the bounce house i would if you paid me enough um you know speaking of local media i'm going to speak out of school here for just a moment i don't know maybe not

i'll go ahead and do it that was fun I have asked a couple of times over the last couple of weeks during the NBA playoffs, the Wizards, hey, can I get Coach Keefe on just to talk about the NBA playoffs, but we'll talk about the Wizards because I'd love to have like a coach on to talk about the games. They're all watching games. I had Randy Whitman on a week and a half ago. He's excellent. I had John Wall on.

I've had, you know, a bunch of people on. And I said, you know, Will Dawkins would be great. Coach Keefe, you know, if there's a player. So basically crickets the first time. And then the second time, I just asked specifically for Coach Keefe because it was after, it's right before I went. No, it's right after I got back last week. And I think I wanted to talk about the Knicks and the Pacers or something or just preview the NBA finals, which were getting ready to start, I think.

And he's politely declining at this time. And I just thought to myself. And I never do this. You know this. I talk about doing this, but I never do because I never want. You have no problem lecturing, you know, some of those people. I just reached out and I said, you know, for what it's worth, it wouldn't be a bad idea for Coach Keith or Will Dawkins or a player to come on

with me or any other show to just talk about the NBA playoffs and then we can talk about the Wizards because let's be honest here they're dead last and it ain't even close in town right now of the four major pro sports teams

right? In terms of interest level right at this moment there are the fewest amount of people interested in the Wizards of of the four pro sports teams. Absolutely. And you and I have the lowest. You and I have talked about this before, but I say, and I've said this many times in the past

to you and probably on the air, if we were in those positions, we would be calling up people like you and me and other shows and reporters and columnists. Hey, I don't know if you're thinking about writing a column, but, you know, we got a good idea. Here's something that we're, you know, this play. is involved in this charity or whatever. You know, like the football team put something out last week about Tyler Biotish being involved in a charity event. I immediately responded, hey, have them on and I'll, you know, promote the charity event.

Of course. That's what you should do that. But you really should do that when you do. I think the wizards do that. Yeah, but, okay. Okay. I'm not saying that they don't. I guess I see some of that stuff come out occasionally.

But don't you think that, like, okay, like, I got something back. He's just not a fan of commenting on other teams. Well, you know, you know what happens? I'm going to grab the wheel here for a minute. Okay, grab the wheel. And get us back, get us away from this ditch we're driving in. Why? I don't think we're driving into a ditch.

Okay. In April, in an athletic poll, Keith was voted the worst coach in the league. He was. I didn't even see that. Yes. Yes. So I can understand why he's not crazy about going on talk shows,

because somebody might bring up, hey, what about this poll that voted you the worst coach in the league? I know I would. Okay. That's fair. I didn't see the poll. And by the way, you made me a little gun shy. By the way, even if I had seen the poll, I would not have asked. him about it.

I mean, come on. I mean, I'm not going to kick a guy while he's down. I've had Brian Keefe on the show before, and he was actually an excellent guest. You know, he's been around. You'd have a hard time interviewing a wizard's coach about anything other than public relations if you didn't kick them when they're down,

because they're down all the time. I know, but that's not the purpose for having them on. I wasn't having them on to interview Brian Keefe. I was interviewing or having a conversation about the NBA playoffs. You know what happens in almost every other NBA city?

Coaches, players, GMs go on all the time. All the time. And in many instances, they don't really need to. It's not like they need you know, the exposure. I mean, this team

has never, ever, been lower on the, you know, on the fan rung of importance like they are now. I would agree with that. And I just, to me, if it were me, I'd be telling him, if I were the PR person, I would say to him, I understand it, but you really should do this because nobody's talking about our team at all. And the draft is coming up. And even though you can't really talk

The draft is next week, right? It's in two weeks. It's two weeks from last night. It's actually now spread out. The NBA draft is so popular, they spread it out over two nights. They did not need to spread out the NBA draft over two nights. But anyway, whatever. I mean, I know what made me think of that.

And I'll just say it had something to do with the head coach in town who has a barbecue you for the media. And I'll leave it at that. Okay. All right. So... Okay. Let's talk about commanders and the disaster. The disastrous video that emerged about the commander, one of the commander's newest free agents. Oh my God. Can you believe that? No, I don't, Kevin. I'm not with you on this. That was a disaster. Why? He looked like me running down the field. Oh, my God. He looked chunky. How did you know how I felt? hear me on radio talk about it?

I saw something, some video tweeted, you know, you're a video star now. I saw your station tweeted something about it that suggested that people were overreacting. I don't think so. I got text from people on the other coast who watched NFL football who said, what are you kidding? This guy? Look at them. Well, I wasn't, I didn't, I absolutely said, I mean, this is the problem when things

get tweeted out from my station about segments. Sometimes they don't even, sometimes it's the actual opposite of what I said. What I said was, my God, he looks chunky. I mean, there is no doubt he looks chunky. But the people that were saying, look at how slow he is, that's not what they're doing out there. They're in walkthroughs, in jog-throughs. Like, you can't.

I get that. Yeah, okay, that's all I was saying. You're right. I mean, that particular drill that what they're doing, the walkthroughs, yeah, you don't, you don't, you're not running a full speed. But he looked chunky. He had to look. Oh, yeah. That's a little bit worrisome.

Yeah, because there were issues with him, you know, and staying in shape. That's why Wes Welker is here. Wes Welker is here because they used him in San Francisco to motivate and to keep Debo in shape, right? Really? I'm pretty sure. So he's a babysitter? Yes, to a certain degree, isn't he? Okay.

Well, you know what? If I were them, I tell Debo to skip the family barbecue today. Look, he is a big, strong-looking dude in a football uniform. There's no doubt about it, but that video did make him look super, you know, heavy. But it wasn't about the way he was running. That was my only point on radio. Okay. I mean, West-

Made it clear now. There were a bunch of stories written when they hired Wes Welker or brought him in as an analyst. His new role was to work with Washington's coaching staff, as well as General Manager Adam Peters in the front office. The move reunited Welker with his former college quarterback offensive coordinator Cliff Kingsbury and Peters. Welker was with Peters at three different stops before his hiring. This was back in.

early April. Welker will also reunite with newly acquired wide receiver Debo Samuel. The commanders traded for Samuel last month and guaranteed his 2025 salary, the final year of his current contract. Peters knows Samuel and believes he can have a huge season catching passes. Welker, I mean, I'm going to look forward here, but basically the idea here is that, oh yeah, here it is. according to Matt Barrow's of the Athletic,

during Welker's time in San Francisco, Welker helped Samuel maintain his weight training. The commanders will never say this is why they hired Welker, but it doesn't hurt. Samuel, by the way, should already be motivated. He's on the last year of a deal. This is a contract year for him. But that's why Welker was brought on.

Did you not know that Wes Welker was in the organization? No, I knew that. I'd forgotten it, but I remember when the news came out, but I didn't know that was his job as Debo's babysitter. Yeah. I mean, he's pointing, they're at the barbecue right now, and he's waving Debo over to the salad table. Nope, stay away from the meat.

We're over here, brother. Yeah. He looked. He looked big and chunky. There's no doubt about that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you look at him from the.

waist down, you know, there wasn't, it wasn't a V. It was more like a body type that I'm very, very familiar with. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I think there's some, I have high expectations for him this year. I do. Maybe those will get dialed back. If he meets high expectations, if he does that, that has a dramatic impact on that often. No doubt.

Noah Brown's injury yesterday. Quinn just said a little while ago, MRI was scheduled for today. He did not say what he had hurt. They don't have to say anything right now about injuries. So there you go. Man, this time of year, mini camp, three days. I literally had, I ran Dan Quinn's presser all three days on radio. I don't know that I got one soundbite that I could really go to in play.

He's great at saying very little. He's very good at it. Yeah. You know, like, there's a, in my, in my, the Clarence story, a calm, I use a dance when quote, I think it's in that one. And I say that somebody, at the end of it, I say, please tell me if you could find an answer in there somewhere. Yeah. That was about, that was Adam Peters, though. Wasn't it?

No, that wasn't Peters. Oh, it was Quinn. No, it was Quid. I think Quidd is better at it. I think it was Quinn. But anyway, Ron Rivera was good at it, too. But Ron Rivera's way of doing it was he asked questions when he gave answers. If you look at a Ron Rivera press conference,

there's usually about 15 times in an answer where he asked a question and then answered it himself. Well, do you remember the transcript difference between Ron and Jack, Ron Rivera and Jack Del Rio? Del Rio's transcript was about a quarter of a page for 15 questions. I mean, they were literally one sentence answers, and Rivera's, you know, was five questions and seven pages. Yeah. He's doing something with his alma mater, Cal, I think. wouldn't he hire

he's in he got busted for drunk driving he's in Europe coaching in some kind of no no no I'm saying Ron Rivera Ron Rivera is at Cal yeah Ron Rivera is the general manager at Cal yeah right the GM at Cal

yeah yeah I wanted Jack Del Rio is coaching in some kind of European football week right I had this that I wanted to just read real quickly

it came from Tapp wrote, because I said, I think, on yesterday's show, or maybe with you on Tuesday, that basically I have yet to find a preseason NFC East preview that picks Washington to win the NFC East. And this is the time of summer where this starts to come out. I mean, by the way, when I was younger and we didn't have the internet, it was like mid to late June and Street and Smith and sporting news would come. come out. I couldn't wait to buy those preseason magazines. Those preseason guides, they were bibles. Oh, they were bibles.

Absolutely. Even though by the time you literally got to the beginning of the season, they were so outdated in many ways. But I said that I literally found like, you know, some of them were super, you know, insignificant and obscure. But like 10 of them, everybody picked the Eagles. And I had mentioned that. And Tapp wrote me and said, Kevin, I spent time today, found the same thing you did. I couldn't find one NFC East prediction for the commanders. All Eagles seems crazy. We're not getting more love after winning 12 games. Well, they won 14, if you count the two playoff games. It's really not that crazy. Philadelphia was a dominant team at the end of last year. They have the best roster in the NFL. The only thing I would say, Tommy, is because everybody,

you know, now understands how much the NFL changes year to year. And by the way, we've got this 20-year run of no-repeat NFC East winner that I thought somebody would pick Washington. Like, just somebody would say, you know, the NFC East hasn't had a repeat winner since Andy Reid's Eagles did it in 2004. Washington's going to win the division. But if you're really just looking at it objectively, Philadelphia's roster is much better.

Yes. It just is. Yes, it doesn't seem. You would have to go out of your way to find a, and a kind of, not an obscure reason, but a shaky reason, not to pick Philadelphia. Like you said, you know, it's hard to repeat or something like that. Well, the NFC East, we have not had a repeat division winner in 20 years, yeah.

That's what I mean. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I think it's perfectly normal that everyone's picking Philadelphia. I'll give you the somewhat reasonable way that Washington wins the division. And this is not, you know, it's kind of nuts to predict an injury. But you know who doesn't play consecutive years every game healthy? He hasn't his entire career.

Sequin Barclay. If Sequin Barclay got injured, banged up, and missed games, Philadelphia wouldn't be the same team. They'd still be a good team because they were a good team and got to a Super Bowl without him a couple of years ago. But, you know, he had 2,000 plus yards rushing last year. He was a dominant force in the NFL. and a dominant force on that team.

And he's never played consecutive years the entire season. He's gotten hurt basically every other season. So that would certainly impact Philadelphia. Yes, it would. Quick recommendation, if you didn't listen to yesterday's show, I had Mike Genetti, who is the founder and editor of SpotRack, which is an excellent site. We reference it all the time if you're into, you know, NFL salary cap and contracts.

And I had him on the podcast yesterday, and he was excellent, not just talking about Terry and that contract. And where Terry kind of, you know, slots in, but really looking ahead to the Jaden Daniels contract in 27. And one of the things Tommy, he said, and it's so true, good organizations, get it done, and get it done early. They don't do what Jerry Jones has done here the last few years. You know, wait until the 11th hour with Dak Prescott with C.D. Lamb. And he'll probably do the same thing with Micah Parsons. They get it done when you can, right when you can get it done.

And they can't extend Jaden until the 2026 season is over. So, you know, January of 2027. But he said the best organizations identify it and they do it early. because the sooner you do it, the better it'll look in a couple of years. And he thinks that they'll end up not waiting, not picking up a fifth year option, that they'll do it in 2027, and he'll become the highest paid player in the history of the game. 70 plus million a year. But he was really good talking about a lot of that stuff.

So I recommend if you missed it yesterday to go back and listen to him. All right. We have some other things to finish up with. Juan Soto all of a sudden is red hot. I wonder how Mets fans are responding to that. And we will talk about the passing of Brian Wilson. We'll do that next after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelley.

Well, if it's Thursday, I'm going to give you Shelley's backroom menu specials for the week, offer their menu of excellence. You can read their food menu, their cigar menu, and their drink menu on shelley's backroom.com. But I was down to Shelly's Monday and Tuesday this week. Right. And, you know, when I'm out, it never occurs to me to see what the specials are. Are you a specials guy? Always.

Really? Yeah. Always want... Why? Well, because that's what they focused on for the day. that's what they're pushing. They're not pushing it because they got to move it. They created something for the day.

The chef created something for that day. So, yeah, I always look at the specials first. If there are specials, not every place you go to has... Not every place does. Yeah. But yes. But I'm not a specials guy, but I should be because, you know, instead of what I got when I was there,

I would have ordered the Shelley's Court on Blueburger. That sounds really good. Yeah, half pound of Shelly's... custom blend beef top with honey ham and blue cheese out of butter toasted bun with ranch dressing. That's what

I would have ordered if I paid attention to the specials. So I got to do a better job at that. Well, they don't have chicken fingers typically on the special menu. I order sandwiches. Okay. And burgers. Stuff like that. I'm a cordon blue burger guy.

Right. Okay. So. Yeah, look what you missed out on. I know, I know. Well, next time I'm at Shelly's at 1331 F Street Northwest in the district, I will make a point of seeing what the special is for that day. Do you ever go to a restaurant and, you know, basically they'll say to you, you know, we got a chef and he'll put together a bunch of stuff. Just tell us what you don't eat and don't like or if you're allergic to anything.

And then you just get a bunch of food that just starts coming out. Do you ever do that? No. Oh. You're not? Listen, Kevin, within one minute of walking in the restaurant, I generally know what I want to eat. Well, then you don't even need a menu. You can just ask.

Barely. Do you guys have burgers, chicken wings, and chicken fingers on it? And a grilled cheese. No. No, I don't say, you know, just mix something together and send it out to me. No. Do you know what? I'm looking at their menu right now. They really do have a good menu.

Shelly says an excellent menu. Yes, they too, yeah. Quality food. They've got a turkey bacon melt. I had, so last week when I was getting back into sort of a normal routine of eating because I didn't eat a lot there for about a week. Didn't have much of an appetite, to be honest with you, for about a week. And by the way, as a result, I lost 12.

pounds. I've only put back like two or three of those pounds. So I'm feeling, I'm feeling like I can go out and play right now. But there are a couple of things that I had a craving for, one of which I got, but a couple of nights late, but I would never, you know, complain because my wife was an absolute warrior for a week and a half. She makes phenomenal meatloaf. I love me. I love me. I love. meatloaf. Do you like meatloaf? I like it. I'm high on my list, but if somebody was making it, I would enjoy eating it. So she'll do that. Typically, we'll have that during the fall or winter, not during the summer. So it'll be usually months will go by, and it'll be, you know, the first crisp fall weekend, you know, in October.

And she's like, I'm getting stuff and I'm making meatloaf and mashed potatoes. And we're like, yeah. So I did have a craving for that And I did end up getting it Just a few nights after I had the craving for it I also, wait a minute I also had a craving for an egg salad sandwich Do you like egg salad? Yeah, not a fan

And then the other thing I had a craving for And I didn't push it I didn't ask for it to be made or anything like that But I love tuna melts Tuna melts. Tuna melts are awesome And typically, and I was looking at Shelley's menu, They have a turkey bacon melt.

They've got a patty melt, which is a burger. I don't see a tuna melt on the menu. Remember the place in Rockville near the station where we would go grab lunch every once in a while, that diner, you know, the silver diner? The silver diner. Yeah. They made an incredible tuna melt. Do you like tuna melts?

You don't like tuna. Yeah. You don't eat fish, do you? I don't like. No, I'm allergic to fish. Shellfish or regular fish? All fish. All fish you're allergic to?

Are you sure it's not just shellfish? No, it's all fish. Okay. You got to question me? No, I'm not. But typically the allergies, fish-wise, are to shellfish. I didn't know that you could be like allergic to salmon or allergic to seedbous. You see, I consider allergies to include things you don't like to eat.

Oh, okay. So things that you wouldn't necessarily break out in hives if you had salmon or if you had some tuna. But because you don't like it, the reaction would not be pleasant. Yeah. I'd be visibly disgust. That's, you know what? I've seen some of the symptoms associated with food allergies include customer disgust. And it seems like you have that part of it.

Real quickly, before we finish up with the passing of Brian Wilson, Juan Soto has been on a roll, Tommy. And I know we, I'm pretty sure we talked about, you know, three or four weeks ago, how Mets fans were disgusted. They were disgusted with Juan Soto. He was hitting 229 at the end of May. I mean, he had, he was not hitting well. He has been on an absolute tear in the month of June.

He's hitting 382. He's got an on-base percentage of 553. He's got a slugging percentage of 794. He's got an OPS of 1.347. Wow. He's got two home runs, you know, here against the Nats. They're playing right now as we speak. He's already, hold on, let me just pull it up.

I think he's already got a hit in the game. Yeah, he's one for three with a walk already in this game. New York fans, they are harsh, aren't they? And impatient. It was May. It was month two. I know, but there's a paycheck that comes with a team that sets people off. Look, I knew, I didn't know, but I thought that he would come around and produce.

I mean, he's done it at three different stops. He did it in Washington. He did it in San Diego. He did it with the Yankees. Okay. So I knew he would start coming around, and by the end of the season, he'll have a Juan Soto type year. Yeah. He will. I'll tell you what, man. One other thing before we get to Brian Wilson. Yeah. I want to give you an update on the Flying Cows.

You know, they're in the Frederick Flying Cows. Yes, they're in, I think, the Eastern Conference finals in the basketball league. And they're playing a team from Bowie, the capital Seahawks, who beat the flying cows in the first game, 107, 103 in a three-game series. So they play again, I think, tomorrow night here in Frederick. Okay. You going to go? I won't be there. No, I'm going to the Poconos this weekend.

Oh, really? Yes. By myself. Why? Is it a school thing? No. What are you doing? Just hang out.

Are you, what do you mean you're just going to hang? Oh, you're hanging out with friends. You're meeting friends up there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, I'm not going to like stand in front of Walmart and just Greek people. I'm going to, yeah.

Okay. I'm going to hang out with friends. I'm going to go to Rudy's. I was just going to say, are you going to go to Rudy's? This will be my 50th year drinking at Rudy's. Yeah, I mean, you don't want to stop that tradition. And, you know, speaking of a. a menu and they don't, you know, compete with

Shelly's so we can mention it. They got plenty of good beer on tap. Every time we check it, it's great great beer options on tap at Rudy's in East Strausburg. And Rudy, cash only, baby. No credit. You think they'll have the golf on there?

Will you be watching the U.S. Open there? They'll probably have the golf on, but they have multiple TVs, and they're usually very accommodating. They usually have baseball. the real baseball type of bar. This is going to be one of those U.S. Opens, at least this is what's being predicted, Tommy,

where by the time we get to Sunday, nobody's under par. And that, you know, the course is beating up the players. I think people like to see that at U.S. opens. So far, though, JJ Spawn is for under. What did you say? Whatever.

I like to see somebody beat the players. Of course or not. All right. So I'll let you start. Brian Wilson passed away yesterday at the age of 82. What shows were you watching last night on Brian Wilson? Well, just a lot of videos. I was just going through one Facebook video after another.

There were video of him in the studio when they did good vibration. Yeah. A tremendous video of him. You know, God only knows in concerts what they did, you know. but he was a musical genius and a lot of the focus is about him and the Beatles and this almost like this competition

that they had and this tremendous respect they had for each other as I understand that the Beatles album revolver spawned pet sounds and then Sergeant Pepper yeah yes yes

yeah that spawned pet sounds that's when they went in many Pet Sounds and Pet Sounds inspired the Beatles to do Sergeant Pepper Right And I mean It's a rough week for music legend Slice Stone earlier in a week

And now Brian Wilson But you know For a guy who was troubled That had his share of issues He lived to be 82 I think he's 82 He was 82 82

82 Yeah By the way it was rubber It was rubber sole not revolver that inspired Pet Sounds and then Pet Sounds inspired Sergeant Pepper in what was, yeah, a big-time rivalry, healthy rivalry between Beach Boys and the Beatles.

Yeah. Have you seen Love and Mercy? I think we've probably talked about it before. I have not seen Love and Mercy. Oh, you should. Great movie. John Cusack plays him as an adult. Paul Dano plays him as young.

I have to watch because I like John Cusack and everything he does. Paul Giamati's in it. That's an excellent movie. I've seen so many documentaries. I'm a massive Beach Boys fan always have been. I think my sons will tell you that the earliest memories they have of music are me playing Beach Boys and Pet Sounds in particular. Wouldn't it be nice and God only knows, et cetera, for them?

Here's what I am curious about it, because I'm actually a little bit surprised that you immediately, went with what everybody refers to Brian Wilson as, you know, a musical genius. Because I had a feeling that, and I was wrong, that we were going to talk about this. And you were going to, ah, he wasn't a genius. What does that mean? What does it mean? Like, why is he a genius?

I'm not debating it because I think they made some of the most beautiful music. And I think his, you know, pet sounds and everything that came through those. recording sessions is some of the most beautiful music, pop music of all time. But I'm surprised that you just immediately referred to him as a genius without pushing back. So what makes him a genius? Well, to create a sound that you've never heard before, you know, to push the direction of music in a different path. And I'll be honest with you. You know, I'm smart enough to know that people, giants in that industry to pay attention to what they say, they revered Brian Wilson, like Bob Dylan and other musicians.

You know, David Crosby from Crosby, Stills, and Nash. I mean, that, you know, that's, they speak so highly of him. And it was just a sound that, and the evolution that they went from the surfing band, you know, from the surfing sound to God only knows and good vibrations. It's a tremendous evolution right there. Yeah. But you know what's funny? Yeah.

My favorite Beach Boys song is not one of the most popular ones, and it's one that Brian Wilson hated the most. And that's Sail on Sailor. People love that song. My favorite Beach Boys song. People love that song, yeah. And that was in, actually, Martin Squableness. Sasey, he sat the departed.

You know, it was, it's a great song, but Brian Wilson said he never liked it. Some of what you watched last night was, you know, like in studio when he was insane in putting together exactly what he wanted, which ended up being his masterpiece. And by the way, the thing that I, I don't think I knew this until yesterday,

I knew that they had had many, many albums. I didn't realize it was the 11th studio album. for the Beach Boys, Pet Sounds, was that's very rare in music, that the masterpiece comes 11 albums into the band's history. But, you know, that is, that, the recording of that,

which was him and the wrecking crew, you know, those session musicians, some of those very famous session musicians, Carol K, Bill Pittman, you know, the names that people know, Hal Blaney, the recordings of that, those things, to me, are the most fascinating things to watch, to watch him as the producer,

the composer, you know, of all of this. And for them, and I've seen this in documentaries, and you see it in the movie Love and Mercy, for them older, much older, he was 22, 23 years old and had issues, like major issues, OCD, mental, you know, for them to understand that in the moment that, okay, we have to be patient here because we are clearly working with a creative genius and what comes out of this is going to be all time. You know, they knew that they were working on something incredibly special, even though much of the book time, studio time, sometimes he'd walk in and then walk out and say, I don't feel it today. Some of that stuff's really, really interesting. But yet, what you said about what other musicians have said. I mean, that's what I was

reading late last night, just all of the musicians and what they said. I mean, Lenin was a massive fan. Bob Dylan was a massive fan. Paul McCartney always said, God only knows, is the most beautiful pop song ever written. He said, here's the quote, I figure no one is educated musically until they've heard pet sounds. I love the orchestra, the arrangement. It may be going overboard to say it's the classic of the century, but to me, it certainly is a total classic record that is unbeatable in many ways. I've often played pet sounds and cried. There's a lot of Paul McCartney quotes. Here's the one that I found that actually I think you would like because we both are Elton John fans.

Elton John said about Brian Wilson. Well, I had it a second ago. Oh, he said, he posted a photo of Wilson yesterday. He said, Brian Wilson was always kind to me from the day I met him. He sang someone saved my life tonight at a tribute concert in 2003, and it was an extraordinary moment for me. I played on his solo records. He sang on my album, The Union, and even performed for my AIDS Foundation. I grew to love him as a person, and for me, he was the biggest influence on my songwriting ever.

He was a musical genius and a revolution. He changed the goalposts when it came to writing songs and shaped music forever, a true giant. Elton John's real, like you and I know a little bit about him and we were big fans of his, especially the early stuff. I thought it was a lot of Chuck Barry, a lot of the blues, a lot of the, you know, 50s rock and roll that was incredibly influential to Elton John. I mean, look, the Beach Boys and Pet Sounds came out probably a year or two before Elton John, you know, wrote your song, maybe three years before, you know, he wrote that first album. But I'd never heard him say that before. No, neither have I. Yeah.

Did you play music for your kids when they were young because you're such a music person? You mean, actually, like, play, like, records and stuff like that? Yeah, and what was it that you played? Yeah, I did that. I ran the radio and the tape player in the car. Right. So they had to listen to what I wanted. Yeah, I did the same.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and it's funny, when I was a kid, a little kid, I ran the radio in the car with my mom and dad, too. My father ran the radio in the car. My father, I think I've told you this before. My father is actually very musical. I'm not. My father sang. My father was a singer in a band that actually briefly got signed when he was like 19 or 20 years old. And my father still to this day can sing. And that's where, you know, I have a son that's actually a full-time musician and producer. And then my youngest also can play multiple instruments as well. They did not get it from me. I mean, I love music. I'm a consumer of music. What's interesting is I always,

tell my father, why didn't you force me to play an instrument? Like, I would have loved to have learned to have played the piano or guitar when I was a kid. And he's like, I don't know, you were always playing sports. But he could sing. He didn't play instruments, but he could sing. And then my boys can play it. My two boys can play everything. I can't play an instrument. I would love to have played. My wife can play a piano, and my oldest son can play to piano. We had him to do piano lessons when he was younger. But I don't know if you've never, if he realized this, Kevin, but, you know, I'm a singer as well. I do realize that.

That's why I wanted you to know about the singing history in my family. My father talks about all the time as he listens to this show. Please, more Tommy karaoke. Please, more Tommy purify. What a voice. You know, Tommy, I think I, we have basically a recording studio in our home now. My middle son is taking a room down in our basement and built a recording studio. There's a lot of stuff in there.

So if you want to get recorded, come on over one day. And he'll record you. We'll put out, you know, we'll put out an EP with a couple of cover songs and maybe something that you write. Okay. I'll work on that, boss. All right. What else? Anything?

I got nothing else for you. I got nothing else either. I'll be back tomorrow. See you, Tommy. See you, boss.