The Kevin Sheehan Show - DK, Ovie, & Simple Jack

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

Kevin and Thom recorded today's podcast last night. The offering was a lavish buffet of topics including but not limited to: former radio bosses, the Homestead Grays, ESPN's "Sports Century", St. Louis trivia, comedians from the Midwest, Sanford & Son, the Terps' win at Michigan, Ovechkin's 885th, DK Metcalf wanting out of Seattle, late-night diners, and why do the Commanders need to upgrade their roster so badly after going 12-5 and winning two road playoff games?  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here, but it's not our normal recording time. We are recording tomorrow's podcast.

Tomorrow is in March 6th. On Wednesday night, March 5th, at about 9.30 p.m. Eastern. Tommy is such a good guy. I'm leaving to go out of town tomorrow. I'm going to Florida for a long weekend. And we wanted to get a show out for Thursday. I will not have a show on Friday. But I said, why don't we do something late after the Maryland game,

after, you know, or at least towards the end of the Capitals game, CFO Vetchkin gets a goal. He does not have a goal right now as the third period's about to begin against the Rangers in Madison Square Garden. They're down to 1, the caps are. And you know what? You're always there when you need me. It's really nice of you to do that.

Well, I try to do that. You know, I try to be a supportive employee when I'm not too sick to do it. Employee. You know, because I don't want to make my coworkers sick. I didn't send you a W-2. You didn't? No.

You didn't get a W-2 from me. You're not an employee. employee. You got a 1099 from me. That's right. I'm a contractor. That's what I've been for years. What am I saying? I've been a contractor for years with everybody. I'm a contract killer. You are. How is that worked out over the years? Because you had benefits right through Liz's job all those years. Well, that was it. That was the benefit.

She was a federal employee, you know, the massacre that's going on. She did not have to deal with that. So I had good benefits because I had the good fortune of being married to her. So I didn't really need anything except vacation, you know. So that was it. But when we were doing the radio show together at 980, you were an employee. You weren't attend that. I had a contract.

I had a contract with the radio station and was an employee. Right, exactly. But did you not get benefits? So you just didn't get benefits from the station? No. You didn't need them. No, that was part of the agreement. What about our non-matching 401K?

What about the company's contribution to the 401K plan? Man, radio. What a business, right? What a business. It used to be. It used to be what a business. Yeah. It's always been...

I think my favorite line ever about the radio business was uttered by my friend Gary Braun, and you know Gary very well. Gary said probably a few months after we met each other, Kevin, radio, it's a C-minus business. And I don't think that anybody could have been that spot on. This was when I first kind of got into the business. You know, and we've never been in the business of radio.

We've always been employees. We've been on-air people, which is different from the people who run the stations. We've had some, we've had a couple of people along the way that were impressive, but many more who were not. Yeah. I mean, I remember my nickname for one of our big bosses was Simple Jack. That was one, but you also nicknamed another boss, The Ghost. Yes. Because he was never there.

Never there. Never there. Never there. Never there. Oh, Simple Jack. Still in the radio business, by the way, that guy. I don't think he is, is he? I think he is.

Somewhere. He's the ghost. Nobody can see him, but he's still in a radio business. It's amazing how many of those people after they left us got jobs in other places. And all of us would be like, who would hire that person? I mean, seriously, we had some beauties. But the ghost, the ghost had all these ideas when he would come in and we'd say, well, where have you been for the last three days? Yeah.

Oh, well, I actually just hang out in my car and listen to the station. Okay. But, you know, he was, I'll never forget it because Simple Jack, who was the CEO at the time, right? That's who you dubbed Simple Jack. Simple Jack asked me to be a part of interviewing the ghost for the job. And I remember he was from, we'll just say a city in the Midwest, a big city in the Midwest. the biggest city in the Midwest. And I said to him

because he knew nothing about kind of D.C. and D.C. sports. And one of the things I think you have said, and I totally agree with, Andy has said it many times, Zabe, that this market is a bit different than a lot of other markets, because the bottom line is,

if you're going to be involved in this business, you better know a lot about the football team. Like, you've got to understand that this is not a, you know, this is not Chicago, you know, New York, Philly, Boston, where every team gets talked about for hours upon hours. That's not what this is. And so I remember saying to him, he was a nice person, but he was not super impressive, I remember in the interview. and I remember saying to him, why do you want to leave, you know, this big city in the Midwest? You seem to have a good gig, and these are your teams,

you know, the teams in this big Midwest city that gets windy a lot. And I guess what had happened was he was on the verge of losing his gig, which is why he was looking to move and get a new one. It didn't last long with us, right? Was he even there for a year? Oh, he was there for at least a year. He was? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I heard from him for like the first couple of years after he left and then I haven't heard from him since. Simple Jack. Simple Jack was our CEO. He wasn't even our program director. There was a story that Mark Stern, aka Nigel from Tony's show, once told, that he walked into Simple Jack's office.

one day and Simple Jack had a Super ball that he was bouncing off the walls of his office and off the ceiling and he just couldn't believe that the ball just continued to bounce. It was thrilling for him, I guess. Do they even make Super Bowls anymore? I think they do. I think they still do.

Look, you can buy anything online. Anything that you grew up with, you can buy online. But basically... I just saw a game. I just saw a game that came across my Facebook feeds that they're selling knock hockey. Do you remember knock hockey? Air hockey or knock hockey?

No, knock hockey. It was a wooden table maybe about maybe, I don't know, maybe 18 inches wide and 24 inches long or maybe a little bit bigger. And they had like two triangle blocks right in front of the goal. on each end. And, you know, in this version, you had a little hockey stick and you used it.

But in our version, I grew up playing when I was a kid, you had like a checker, you know, like from checkers, and you would use that to play knock hockey. You know, and we used to play that forever. But you can buy it now.

You know, so I think anything you think you grew up with, you know, you can probably buy on the internet. I'm sure you can buy super bald on the internet. I'm looking at a knock hockey board. I don't remember that. I remember air hockey very much. We got an air hockey table one year for Christmas.

And I remember how exciting it was to play air hockey. But I'm looking at your knock hockey, spelled an okay hockey. Yeah, and instead of those hockey sticks, You would just use your fingers with a checker. Right. So, yeah, I'm sure you can buy a Super Bowl. Yeah. But that's what apparently he would entertain himself with a Super Bowl in his office.

Simple Jack did. Oh, my God. We had a couple of good ones, though. We had a couple of good ones. Bruce Gilbert was great. Loved Bruce Gilbert. He is actually, I think he is running Westwood One. or he was for a few years running Westwood one.

He moved up and I think probably deserved to move up. Yes. He was hired by Red Zebra. He was the first legit CEO that Snyder and Mark Shapiro. Remember Mark Shapiro, worked for Dan and Red Zebra? This was the Mark Shapiro who created the Sports Century series on ESPN, you know, that they ran in the late 90s, or maybe right at 2000. It would have had to start in 2000, I guess.

That was actually a really well-done series. I appeared in a few of those sports centuries. For boxers? Leonard, Cal Ripkin. I think those were the two that I appeared in. Really? Sports century things, yeah. Um, Sugar Ray Leonard. Let's see where he was on the list.

Because it was the top 100 countdown, right? Of the greatest athletes of the century. I don't know what the rhyme or reason was to it, but I remember I was in those. I have an I-M-D-B or IDM-B listing that I think includes those appearances on it. Okay. They did, I think they did add-ons after the day. top 100 because I don't see Sugar Ray Leonard on the top 100 all-time athlete list for the 20th century. You know who number one was?

I'm going to think Jim Brown or Jim Thorpe? Nope. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was number one. Of course. Of course. Let's genuflect at the altar. Number two, Babe Ruth.

Number three, Muhammad Ali. four was Jim Brown and five was Wayne Gretzky where's Ovechkin going to finish on the 21st century list I don't know what Wilk was doing all those years he must have been invisible

who wilt as in Wilts as in Wilts Chamberlain he was 13 that's nice you don't want to agree the list, clearly. I'm looking to see where Sammy Baugh is on this list, because I believe he is on this list. Yeah, because he was a very influential player in NFL history and a great quarterback. Walter Johnson is 60 on the list, and Sammy Baugh is 64 on the list.

And that is it in terms of D.C. sports people. Is Josh Gibson on the list? you think? Yeah, he was on the list. Hold on. Let's see where he was. Well, you know, he played a lot of his years in D.C. About nine years in D.C. That's right.

Satchel Page is on the list. I see him at 63. Josh Gibson. He's at 73. He's at 73. Yeah. Yeah. Where is Secretariat?

I think Secretariat's got to be high in this list. I mean, that's one of my little pet projects is whenever people are arguing about the greatest athletes in D.C. sports history, I try to lobby to make sure that they include Josh Gibson in that conversation. Because he's considered one of greatest baseball players of all time. And he played many of his years in D.C. Where did they play in D.C.? They played at Griffith Stadium. The Homestead Grays, right? For a while, they played, their homestead PA was where they started.

and they played a lot of their games at Forfe Field, but then they found they could make a lot of money splitting between Pittsburgh and Washington, D.C. Clark Griffin, Pete Griffin, the owner, welcomed them at Griffith Stadium because you could make a lot of money off them. And they played half and half, and then eventually they played all their games at Griffith Stadium.

Yeah, it says that, they played in Griffith Stadium from 1940 to 1950. Yeah. Yeah. That must have been wild. Oh. So was this season over the summer? Did the Negro leagues play games spring, summer, fall?

Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. And remember, they only played about 60 actual Negro league games for the season. Right. The rest was... Exhibitions.

Like barnstorms. Yeah. Traveling around the country, playing all kinds of different teams. So they didn't play like a hundred, 154 game season, major league season. So they probably had about maybe, I don't know, 30, 40 home games at Griffith Stadium. It says here on the Wikipedia page that during games in which, the Homestead Grays played in D.C.'s Griffith Stadium, they were referred to as the Washington Grays or the Washington Homestead Grays.

So to your point, they didn't play all of their games there. But can you, I mean, that would have been pretty wild to just kind of go back and go to Griffith Stadium to watch the Homestead Grays in Josh Gibson in 1947. They were one of the great teams, and they won multiple Negro National League titles. Satchel Page also pitched for the Homestead Grays at some point? No. No, he never did. Okay. I don't think he ever did. Buck Leonard. Buck Leonard. Mostly Kansas City Monitor. Buck Leonard played for the grade.

Yeah, because he and Josh Gibson have always been on that in D.C. Wall of Fame that they used to have at our K that, you know, okay. How did we get started on this? Negro leagues. I don't know, but that makes me happy. I'm glad I stayed up for this. It wasn't on the program. This is what we aim to do. We aim to please you. We aim to surprise you. This from BP Heavenbound, that's his title. That's his name.

on email. He writes, subject heading, by the way, Tom is always right. Then he adds parenthetically, almost. And he writes, Kev, catching up on old shows. I need to weigh in on a few things. First, with all due respect to the good doctor from L.A., this is the guy that wrote in about your being so wrong about the Dan Quinn,

you know, a few weeks last year. He writes, with all due respect to the good doctor from LA, Tom wasn't wrong about the Dan Quinn hire last year. The way I remember it in 2024, Tom questioned whether the Ben Johnson fiasco was the first mistake of the new regime. He never said DQ, Dan Quinn, was bad,

but the optics of turning the jet around in mid-flight because Ben Johnson flaked didn't look good for Harry. and Peters. And anyway, Tommy is the best. Just ask Christopher Walken, please. Tom is never wrong. The only exception being the all too early retirement

of Tommy Purify, but now he's back. And then BP Heavenbound continues, and I'll get to the rest of his email here in a moment. But you first... The Dan Quinn thing was more about the Ben Johnson fiasco, and your belief that Ben Johnson was their number one guy, and they whiffed on him? That's the gist of it.

Well, if what he's saying is true, and I'm going to go with it, no matter what, who said what, it was perceived in the sports media business as a, as a, as a, a mistake, a hiccup, if nothing else, in the process. I know, because the media believed something that wasn't true. You should have known better, though, because you were in here twice a week on a podcast where your partner told you literally the day after they interviewed Dan Quinn for the first time, he's at or near the top of their list. but for whatever reason

you just didn't believe me no I didn't yeah again this is ridiculous I never said Ben Johnson was their guy I said that Ben Johnson the whole interview process look bad for the so-called

remember the Golden Committee the Golden Search Committee yeah that's where you got after him to begin with you you thought it was ridiculous how many people were involved in making this the search committee the Golden Search Committee Yes. Yes.

So that was my big issue. I never had an issue with Dan Quinn, and I had never, never did not believe he was at the bottom of their list. Well, then you wouldn't have believed that the Ben Johnson thing was a fiasco. Well, only a fiasco in perception. Not for the choice. No, I don't think. It looked bad.

But it shouldn't have. It wasn't their fault that it looked bad. They didn't tell anybody that Ben Johnson was their number one candidate. It was reported by people. Look, one of the guys who reported it was Mike Garofalo, who works for the network that runs the NFL. Well, he was wrong. I might want to point out.

Okay. See, there are still people in this market that believe that Washington settled for Dan Quinn, and they didn't. That's just not a fact. And I knew it all along, but for whatever reason, you didn't care what I knew. Let me move on with this guy's email. He writes, so he loves you, clearly. Second, on the name change.

Uh-oh, here we go. Harris's post-season presser was a donkey kick, no doubt. But is it possible? even a non-zero chance, that it was a calculated move. Maybe Harris said what he said about the commander's name, knowing it would rile up the returning fan base. And now he can take the fan backlash as support for a new name in conjunction with a new stadium.

If so, he's playing chess, not checkers. One can only hope. I don't think anything's anything's. non-zero chance, but I don't think that's what was going on there. I don't think it was a... That's a lot of hope. Yeah. I don't think it's a non-zero chance that they at some point won't consider, you know, going back on what he said a few weeks ago, which is this name has now become something that the locker room and the building out there has embraced. He never said. anything about the fans embracing it.

He was at least shrewd enough not to do that. If he really wanted to rile up the fan base, he would have said, and our fans have really embraced the new name, the commander's name. Now that would have really riled people up. And that would have been, at that point, I would have said, something's going on here.

Maybe he is. trying to get everybody riled up, and so he can go to whomever he's got to go to to say, give me our old name back. But no, I don't think that's what's going on. I don't think it's a non-zero chance that it happens at some point in the future. But clearly, 12 and 5 and 2 playoff wins on the road was, you know, the easy path. You know, it created the path of least resistance. That's all.

I hate it. Trust me. I hate it. But, you know, there... I don't think you can say anything's not possible right now. Right. So, no. I wouldn't discounted. But I don't think this was some kind of grand plan by Josh Harris. I don't either. Guess what, Tommy?

By the way, let me get back. Okay, go ahead. No, you go. You go. You have important... Alex O'Veckel. Breaking news. Alex Ovechkin just scored in Madison Square Garden his 885th career goal, and that puts him now exactly nine goals away from tying Gretzky and 10 away from passing Gretzky. Two to two in the third period.

You know, he's doing this too quick. I'm not ready for it. You know, I mean, I've got like interviews. have to transcribe about this, and I'm just not ready for it. He needs to slow down. He's not slowing down, man. No, he's not. What I can't tell is what the reaction was from the New York fans.

I'm wondering what it was, because I've got the sound down here in the studio. But he just scored with about 10 minutes to go in the third period to tie the game at two apiece. Well, I doubt if they were gleeful about it. Yeah, I mean, they're still battling for a wild card spot, so they don't want to lose the game. But, you know, this is the kind of thing. Like, well, you covered home run chases. So tell me about what those were like. Oh, those were fun because neither of the players were in a pennant race.

You know, the cats are still not in a race, but they're going to be, they're playing. playing well. They're going to be in the postseason, and they're going to be one of the favorites to win the Stanley Cup. The Cardinals and the Cubs, they're in the Sosa-Maguire thing. They were, I mean, they were just playing out the strings. So it was easy to write about the home run chase. I just remember a lot of drinking after games with a lot of sports writers. But when you covered, when you covered Sosa and McGuire in road games, were the road fans cheering for them to hit a home run. Yes, at that point they were.

At that point they were. Now, something similar to this, not as big, but I also wrote about when Cal Ripkin was going for his 3,000 hit. And I flew to Kansas City when he was very close. But he didn't get it there, and then he went on to Minneapolis, and I went there, and that's where he got it in the second game in Minneapolis, got his 3,000's hit. So that wasn't nearly as traumatic. What an opening segment to the show.

I mean, Simple Jack, the Ghost, knock hockey, air hockey, the Homestead Grays, and we caught Ovechkin live scoring goal number 885. We got other things to talk about. We'll get to those things after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, whether you are a do-it-yourselfer or you're like me, you have somebody do it for you most of the time. Clogged gutters are easy to forget. They're annoying to clean, and they can grow into a big problem.

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You cannot go under the screen. Too much room for Rodney Rice and he trills that three from the top. Rodney Rice with a huge three with about eight and a half minutes to go that gave Maryland a five-point lead after Michigan cut it to two. The Terps won again on the road in the Big Ten. Five out of their last six road games in the Big Ten Ws for Maryland. They beat Michigan 71 to 65. More on this game coming up.

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I mean, you look at the numbers, and it's kind of bizarre because Michigan outshot, I mean, percentage-wise, out-shot Maryland and out-rebounded Maryland. It was not a smooth game by either team. This was not, this was far from Maryland's, you know,

most attractive-looking game, especially on offense. They were slow to start, didn't shoot it well at all to start the game. Michigan was horrible at times. They had 16 turnovers in the game. And Maryland's defense is excellent, Tommy. Excellent. I think they've got the number 12 defense now, efficiency-wise, per the Ken Palm numbers.

But the 16 turnovers, which also, you know, equal 12 steals. So they got credit for 12 steals. I thought most of those were kind of Michigan handing the ball to Maryland. Maryland ripped a couple away. Don't get me wrong. But Danny Wolf, you know, their seven-foot center who's going to be a first-round pick in June, he had three possessions where he just handed the ball to Maryland in the second half. So it was not a –

Yeah, go ahead. Maryland had 21 points off turnovers. They probably could have had 35 points off turnovers. There were a lot of those turns. Turnovers, Maryland didn't capitalize on it. Totally agree. And they've killed people off turnovers. Maryland didn't shoot it well. They were 38.1% from the field. They were 36% from behind the arc. And that's really offensively. Gillespie in the second half.

Gillespie and Reese didn't even score in the first half. I mean, you know, you're talking about Jacoby Gillespie, who I think he's leading the team in scoring, or is it Derek Queen? Derek Queen's actually leaving the team in scoring 15.9 points per game. Gillespie's averaging 15.1 points per game. And Gillespie didn't have a point in the second half. He hit big threes. Miguel's threes, he's been huge for them all year long. He played very well. Yeah, he knocked down threes in the first half that really gave them the cushion at halftime.

And I thought Rodney Rice once again, he had the worst shooting game of the season at Penn State but hit the late shot to give him to seal the win, and he was outstanding. Derek Queens, more likely than not a lottery pick. I've been saying this for about a month now. I think Rodney Rice is going to be a first round pick in next year's NBA draft. Maryland has to pay Rice and Gillespie, and they're going to have to pay big time to get these guys back next year, because that will be one hell of a back court. Miguel has no eligibility left, unfortunately, nor does Julian Reese,

who will play his final game at Maryland on Saturday. And that's, I mean, what, it's strange, man, to see a guy stay all four years in college at the same place. But that's what Juju's done. And I hope Kevin Willard said it after the game. He deserves a day on. Saturday against Northwestern. Hopefully that building will be packed to say thank you to Julian Reese, who's had an interesting four years. I mean, it's not always been smooth, but he's as

improved a player this year as we've seen in the Big Ten. But let me just say this. This is a big win for Maryland. Michigan was struggling coming into the game. They had lost to Illinois by 20 on Sunday. They had barely beaten Rutgers with a buzzer shot from three last week at home. Rutgers lost to Purdue last night by 30. But still, you know, this was senior night for Michigan. Maryland needed to get a win to really solidify two areas. One, their top four position in the Big Ten where a double buy means you don't have to play until quarterfinal Friday. They've got a chance still to finish second in the Big Ten if Michigan loses against Michigan State if Purdue loses at Illinois and then Maryland beats Northwestern.

But most importantly, Tommy, a win over Northwestern on Saturday in the season finale. And Northwestern's been playing well. And they've already beaten Maryland once this year. But a win by the Terps Saturday. And I think they lock up very worst case, very worst case, a four seed. They'll be a top four seed in a region when, um, when the bracket gets unveiled two weeks from Sunday, if they beat Northwestern.

That's what tonight meant. It gave them the chance to lock down a four and even have a chance if they make a bit of a run in the Big Ten tournament to get a three-seed. They're a good team. They've got a great starting five. They didn't play great. Michigan didn't play well at all.

but it's a good win for them. They didn't lose their composure too. No. They didn't lose, even though they were struggling in the first half to score. I leave on the TV. I mean, you couldn't see any frustration coming through the screen. No, they're pretty poised. You know, all five of these starters are pretty poised.

Queen, you know, had a decent night. He was 17 and 12. I mean, Tommy, he's been a double-double machine. He had to double double in the first half. Yeah, for the last month and a half. He didn't shoot it great, and he missed, I think, four free throws in the game. He was seven for 11, but he is a load for sure. And the Terps, they got a shot.

I mean, a hell of a regular season. They beat Northwestern 24 and 7, 14 and 6, and maybe a second place finish in the Big 10. That's possible. Right now, worst case, Well, they could still finish outside the top four. That is still a possibility if they lose to Northwestern. But if they beat Northwestern, that locks up a first, second, third,

I'm sorry, a second, third, or fourth place finish in the Big Ten. Love it when they're good, man. So much fun. So much fun. All right. You got anything else on that? No, I got nothing else for that. We'll talk some football to finish up the show.

And the hockey game is coming down to the wire. It's still two to two. But Ovechkin does have a goal in the game. So we'll be able to tell you who won the game before we finish the recording of this podcast. Look at us watching hockey tonight. We'll get to all of that and more after these words from a few of our sponsors. You ever sign up for something? Forget about it after the trial period.

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Everybody knows it's my favorite. favorite place, period, besides where I am right now at home. It's my home away from home. And I want to remind people that you can follow Shelly's on social media, on various platforms. They're on X at Shelly's backroom. They have an Instagram account as well, and they have a very active Facebook page, and that's where they usually post their weekly food specials. And also, sometimes I've talked before about how Shelley's it's the kind of place that you never know who you'll run into, that there's sometimes a lot of star power at Shelley's.

So I was flipping through their Facebook page, and I came across some pictures of some minor celebrities, like semi-major celebrities who have been there in a not-too-distant past, and one of them was Kyle Kuzma, the former wizard, used to go to Shelly's, apparently. Really? There's a lot of NBA players who go to Shelly's, but I never saw Hussman when he was there,

but apparently other people didn't. There's a picture of him. Get this picture with some fans at Shelley. He seems to be very cooperative and nice to the fans. And another one that was not long ago. You know the actor-comedian, Cedric the Entertainer? Sure. I think he's from St. Louis.

Okay. Okay, well, he was at Shelley's. And again, got pictures with fans, you know. I mean, usually the celebrities that you meet at Shelly's, they're usually very cordial and friendly and cooperative because it's that kind of atmosphere. It's a friendly atmosphere. I mean, people aren't harassing them.

They're just going up and usually being very polite. And, you know, these guys are relaxed. They usually smoking a great cigar, you know, having a top drink off their top shelf liquor that they've got at Shelly's. So, I mean, if for no other reason, head down the shellys to see if you can get a picture with some kind of celebrity besides me. Of course. I'm always willing to have my picture taken with anybody, whether they want me in it or not. Yeah. Hey, Tommy, can we get you over here for a picture? Yeah, hold the camera. Hold that, you know, you got to turn the camera

on when you're taking a picture of us. I don't know how I knew that Cedric the entertainer was from St. Louis, but I was right about it. Right when you said it, I'm like, I think he's from St. Louis, and I looked it up. He was born in Jefferson City, Missouri, but he grew up in Berkeley, Missouri, a northern suburb of St. Louis. St. Louis, one of my favorite towns. I like St. Louis, too, and there's a lot of actors from St. Louis. I think John Hamm is from St. Louis.

I think he is. I'm going to look that up to see if I'm right about that. By the way, did you ever get to Fargo season five? The Chris Rock year? No. The one they added on like four or five years later. No, I left off right before Chris Rock, which would have been season four, right? Yes.

Season five has John Hamm in it, in a great role. Oh, okay. John Hamm is from St. Louis. Yeah. There's several. A lot of comedians in general are from the Midwest. Have you noticed that? Johnny Carson grew up in Nebraska. You know, David Letterman from Indiana. Yes. Is that just because I'm thinking of people like that, or is that actually a thing?

I think most comedians are from New York City. I think that's probably true. But not Cedric the entertainer. He's from St. Louis. They have that comedy group that a lot of the SNL people and a lot of rom-com people come out of, and it's out of Chicago, and I'm forgetting the name of it. Do you know what I'm talking about? It's an improv group. What is it? Second City.

Yeah, Second City. Yeah, there's one in Canada, too, and that's where a lot of these guys like John Candy and Rick Moranis and others, they all came, I think, from the Toronto SCT Second City. But yeah, there's one in Chicago where I think Belushi came out of. I think Bill Murray came out of. Okay. From St. Louis.

Red Fox grew up in St. Louis. Nikki Glazer grew up in St. Louis. I didn't know that. Kevin Neeland, St. Louis. John Heim, St. Louis. Andy Cohen, St. Louis, John Goodman, St. Louis. Ellie Kemper from the office, St. Louis. A lot of people from St. Louis.

Good town, St. Louis. Really good town. And their chamber commerce would like to thank you for that little program. What's the, because I used to have to go there a lot. There was a supermarket chain called Snooks in St. Louis. I don't, I think it's still the biggest. St. Louis supermarket chain, unless it was acquired by, you know, Kroger or Albertsons or somebody like that. But I had to go there a lot, and I actually really did like St. Louis.

You weren't kidding. I mean, I think you were serious when you said. No, I wasn't. I covered a lot of baseball there. They have great bars, great restaurants, great music clubs. Do you know the famous food of St. Louis? I mean, there's baby back ribs, the whole thing. But I'm talking about. about there is a specific snack kind of a food that's like a famous thing in St. Louis. No, I don't. Why don't you continue your little travel logs here on St. Louis and tell us what that is? Toasted ravioli. That's a big... I didn't know that. Yeah, that's like a big thing they have at every restaurant on the menu, or at least they did when I was there in the late 90s and 2000s.

I went to a game by myself at the old Bush Stadium. What year did that close? Tell me what year that closed, the old Bush Stadium. Well, I think the first few, I think it might have been 2005. Okay. Because I think the new stadium opened in 2006. I was staying downtown St. Louis, flew in like the afternoon. It was in the summer.

had a meeting the next morning, and then I was flying home, and I was two blocks from the stadium, and I just walked down, got a ticket, walked in, and watched baseball for about five or six innings, and then left. You realize what we're doing here? What? You realize what's going on here? What? Because we're recording this late at night.

This is like one of those late-night radio shows that used to be on, where that all. Only cab drivers and people who work the graveyard shift listen to. Okay. I mean, that's what this is right now. So do you think we've lost... I'm not criticizing it. Have we lost a lot of people? I'm just saying.

I mean, that's the kind of show we're putting on right now. It's probably not a very good one. I think it is. I think it is. I always like those kind of shows. I would love to listen to AM radio like at 11 o'clock at night while I'm driving home from someplace, like from, I don't know, from some, I know, Fort Wayne or someplace like that, and listen to a talk show from there.

Fort Wayne? I mean, usually the people who call talk shows at 11 o'clock a night are going to be a little bit off the wall. You know, in looking at these famous people, and looking at these famous people from St. Louis, Red Fox being from St. Louis, I think I'm right about this, too. you'll know the answer to this. You were a Sanford and Sun fan, right? Yeah, I liked it. I mean, I wouldn't put it.

It's one of my greatest comedies, but I watched it when it was on. Well, didn't they live and move to L.A. from St. Louis? Didn't Fred and Lamont move from St. Louis? And, you know, Esther, on Esther, was moved out also from St. Louis. And Elizabeth.

Who was Fred's buddy on the show? Oh, well, there were, Bubba was one of them. The other one. I can picture him right now. Bubba? He actually continued to do the show after Red Soxed not doing it. Lamont's friend was, you know, the Puerto Rican guy. Rallo.

Rallo was his friend. Who's the, I don't know who the other guys. That friend was Grady. Grady. Of course. God! Yes. How did I not get gravy? Yeah.

What a great show that was. He was brilliant. Red Fox was. You know what? This is like a menu at a Greek diner. There are a lot of options here. Yeah. And it's not all good.

All right. I do want to talk about some football. So earlier today, when I did the show, there was all this breaking NFL news during the day. Max Crosby got the biggest non-QB deal. The Eagles re-signed Zach Bonn. The Cowboys, by the way, this is an interesting thing, Tommy. The Cowboys have cleared $57 million worth of cap space. Last year, they were inactive in the offseason.

but I would guess that Washington playing Philadelphia in the NFC championship game really lit a fire under Jerry's ass. He does not want that to happen again. No, I think it did. So with everything that's been going on, there's a shopping cart full of wide receivers that are available right now. There are. By the way, the Caps in overtime beat the Rangers on a Tom Wilson goal.

Assist to Dylan Strom. Caps beat the Rangers 3-2. Ovechkin got goal number 885, 32 on the season, nine away from tying Gretzky, 10 away from breaking the mark. And it's happening too quickly for Tommy. He's trying to line everything up here. So he's got everything ready to go for what will be a momentous DC sports you know, happening, and you'd like him to slow down a little bit. I would, you know, so I can catch up to him.

I mean, come on, this is absurd. To play this well, to be this prolific at his age, it's just remarkable. He is one of the most remarkable athletes I've ever seen. So, back to the other part of the Greek Diner and the other option. football wide receivers, there are a lot of them available. You know, yesterday, well, two days ago now, from when you guys are listening to it, Devante Adams was released. I said on the podcast from yesterday, but earlier today, I said that if you just dismiss

Devante Adams, like, we don't need him. We don't need to spend the money on him. he's older, you haven't been paying attention to Devante Adams. He's still great. Like, legit great. How much longer he'll be great? I don't know. But he's going to cost too much money.

There will be teams. And by the way, wherever Aaron Rogers lands, that's probably where Devante Adams goes. So you've got Devonte Adams out there, and now D.K. Metcalf wants to be traded. along with they cut loose yesterday, Tyler Lockett. Apparently the Seahawks were really upset that Metcalf went public with his trade request on the day that they released Tyler Lockett. They wanted the Tyler Lockett 10-year career in Seattle to be sort of a stand-alone for people to kind of honor what he was because Tyler Lockett was a really good player in Seattle.

Right. What? You got to pay Metcalf. if you're Seattle. That one doesn't make any sense to me. He wants another big deal. He's a quirky guy. Yeah, they've got nothing without him.

Very unpredictable. I know that. I know that. He's a physical beast. He is a beast. He's really quirky. I, that's, I'm not going to put this in the category of Matt Stafford, two totally different positions, two different ages, two different,

leadership positions the whole thing. But Seattle, without Lockett and without Metcalf, remember, they won 10 games last year. They were 10 and 7. They were in the postseason the year before. They had a chance, a legit chance to win the division again this year with, by the way, Gino Smith at quarterback, and there was a moment where Sam Hal had to play and it was not pretty. But the quarterback position, you know, whatever you think of Gino Smith, it's not elite. It's not top 10. It's probably not top 15, but it's somewhere in the middle, you know, 15 to 20. He's had his moments.

But if they trade D.K. Metcalf and no Tyler Lockett, they've got Jackson Smith and the Jigba coming back. He's a really good receiver. They've got great backs and Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet. but Seattle's a good team. And by the way, a good organization, a great fan base. Unless he's a total pain in the ass, I think you've got to pay him. I think you do too. It doesn't sound like you pay.

Especially after you've cut a tower locket, I think you have no choice. I'll tell you what, I don't think any of these people are off the list for Washington because they traded for Debo Samuel. These are different players. D.K. Metcalf and Devante Adams play a different position, literally, than Debo Samuel. Debo Samuel's not a wide receiver. He's a weapon. He's a playmaker.

He plays in the backfield. He plays receiver. He lines up in the slot. He lines up as a flanker. Haven't heard that term in a long time. And, you know, they're still going to be looking for a, number two true wide receiver to Terry. Now, that could be Diami Brown.

That could be Noah Brown. That might be Luke McCaffrey next year. But, you know, I don't know that anybody's off the list. I mean, I guess I would be surprised if they traded for D.K. McCaff. And that's not one I would suggest. And I would not suggest paying top dollar for Devante Adams. Don't get me wrong on either one of those.

I just would absolutely consider the players. They are star players. Who's the other receiver who was cut? What's his name? I think he played for Cliff Kingsbury in Arizona. Yeah, Christian Kirk. I talked about Kirk on the last show. Yeah.

That's a good possibility because Kirk is not going to be as expensive. You're not going to have to trade for him like you would with a D.K. Metcalfe. He won't be as expensive. is Devante Adams, even though the Adams deal will be very short, I would imagine. And Cliff Kingsbury loved Christian Kirk in Arizona. Yeah. That would make sense economically, and if he could still play real good and otherwise. But, you know, I mean, if I'm a Commanders fan and they sign, I'm not saying they shouldn't,

you know, I go after one of these guys, especially if it makes sense to them. But I'd be getting a little bit nervous about the fact that there's that defensive line still sitting there. There's that offensive line still sitting. When are you going to go out and get some defensive help for a defense that wasn't very good? They have to, you know, it starts with hopefully before the end of this week, you know, as we've seen it with other teams. By the way, here's another breaking news from down on the buffet line.

Joey Bosa got released by the Chargers. man, that dude... I think that was kind of expected. Yeah, I guess it was a possibility. I don't know if it was expected. But it's a big cap savings for him. And his issue over the years is not talent or production. It's availability.

He has just been, like his younger brother, too, he's just been injured so much and he's missed so many games. But my God, when they, when he, when he, is healthy. I'm not so sure he isn't better than Nick. I mean, they're close. But, you know, the thing about the chargers that will be very interesting is whether or not Khalil Mack, you know, gets the kind of deal in an area in which Washington would be interested. I mean, if Joey Bose has gone, maybe this means they're going to try like hell to keep Khalil Mack. I don't know. I'm not following the Chargers situation that much.

I mean, you let Joey Bosa go. Kaleel Mack just had another really good season. He's a free agent. I think there are a lot of people that think that Washington could be in the Kaleel Mac market. Yeah, I know. All right. I think that's all the news I see right now. Okay. I was just one last thing.

Because I was saying, you know, I mean, you know, wide receivers, Devo Samuel, you know, pick up one of these guys, you're getting a little nervous about the offensive line, the defensive line. And it struck me that when you look at this team, you could argue there are so many needs. Yet they won 12 games. That just tells you a lot about the quarter. back. Yes. Yes. I mean, you could say, oh, they need to have a better offensive line. They need to have a much better defensive line. They need a running back. They need a watcheefer, but they won 12 games. They did. They did that. I read this email. I can't remember if I read it on the

podcast or the radio show, but this guy, Connor Davis, I've known Connor since he was a kid. His father is a friend of mine from back at Maryland days, and Connor writes. to us all the time. And he basically said, why are you so hell-bent on finding guys that can stop the run? They didn't stop the run last year, and they won 12 games

and two road playoff games. But I said that as we were going along. I'm like, I think I might have this wrong. Maybe they don't have to stop the run. Maybe they're just so effing good at quarterback and on office. defense in particular, that they can just keep winning games. But look, eventually in the NFC championship game, on the first touch from scrimmage,

you know, Sequin Barclay went 60 yards, and it set the tone for an ambush as, you know, the Eagles ended up building a big lead. Washington fought back. We know all that. And the other thing you got to look at is you do have, you can't just say, oh, our roster? Who the hell cares about? our roster. We went 12 games. Have you seen our quarterback? You may have heard of them. But last year, you know, you won five games at the gun, basically, that could have easily

gone the other way. You beat the Giants in week two when they didn't have a kicker. You beat the Bears on a Hail Mary. You beat the Saints after, you know, Spencer Rattler brought them back. and almost beat you on a two-point conversion. You beat the Eagles, you turn the ball over five times, somehow found a way to beat the Eagles, but let's face it. Devante Smith has a ball in his hands on an easy pitch and catch for a first down that ends the game, and he dropped it. And so they had to kick a field goal, which gave Washington the ball back.

They won on the drive and overtime to beat Atlanta. They won on the last play of the game with Marcus Marioita against Dallas in a meaningless game. They also lost, you know, kind of at the very end because of a missed extra point against the Cowboys and, you know, an eighth of a yard against Pittsburgh. But, you know, you know me, I'm not a big schedule guy, but the team's on the schedule for next year. If they come back and look like they did this past year, it's a different deal. You've got to get better. You're chasing Philadelphia, too. You've got to get better.

The roster's not good enough. to win 12 and win two road playoff games again. I would agree. I'll be done. It sounds like you're losing steam. Well, I'm going to go out to Waffle House and have a late night breakfast. Oh, my God. If you lived anywhere near me, I'd meet you there.

That would be fun. Rolling up to the bar to Waffle House? This feels like leaving a bar and saying, boys let's get some breakfast well this definitely feels like the only thing that's missing is that we're not drinking

I mean we should well you might be I'm not no I'm not that's the only thing that's missing the show would have been a million times better had we had a couple of pops before and during the show and then we would have definitely

been into some sort of greasy diner at 1130 although that would that That's early for the old days. I can remember many times being in Tasty Diner in Bethesda at 4 a.m. Yeah, I remember leaving the Lantern Diner in Strasbourg when the sun was right. Tasty Diner for us was the spot, though, and it's still there, you know, right there in Bethesda,

right next to Woodmont Grill. And, you know, when it's 4 a.m. and you are in that state, man, Is it nice to eat? All right, what else? You did a good job tonight. You really did. You came prepared. You came with some energy.

I think we should start doing this at night. Why don't we do two podcasts a day? A morning version and then a late-night version. Do you think you could handle two a day at this point, at your age? I can handle anything, baby. All right. We're done. I will not have a show.

on Friday, but I will be back sometime on Monday and try to get a show out that day. Free agency starts, you know, legitimately on Wednesday, but we're going to have, obviously, some news break between now and then, and I'll be back on

Friday to do it. Thanks, Tommy. Appreciate it. All right, boss. Getting that mark down there for Ovechkin. To the slumpermancheon, and he scores. Alexander O'N.99. 10 from the all-time record.