The Kevin Sheehan Show - DNP For Daniels

Episode Date: October 24, 2024

Kevin opened with the news that Jayden Daniels didn't practice today. Ben Standig/The Athletic jumped on the show as he was leaving Ashburn to share his thoughts on the probability of Daniels playing Sunday against the Bears. The guys talked trade deadline, Jamin Davis, and a lot more as well. ESPN's Stanford Steve joined Kevin to talk Commanders, Jayden Daniels, Kliff Kingsbury, and some college football too.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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call them at 86690 Nation or head towindonation.com to schedule your free, no obligation in-home estimate. Two guests on the show today. Ben is going to join us, Ben Standing. In about 10 minutes or so, he'll be heading back from the park. Following what was a bit of a news day, I will share that news with you here momentarily. Following Ben Stanford, Steve from College Game Day from the Scott Van Pelt show. Steve will jump on with us.

We'll talk some college football. But knowing Steve, he will want to talk quarterbacks and Jaden Daniels in particular. So the newsy day out in Ashburn started with Dan Quinn's press conference prior to the practice that was the first in preparation for the Bears on Sunday. And of course, everybody wanted an update on Jaden Daniels. Now, the team streams these press conferences. Today they got to it a little bit late, so I don't have the audio. The audio started a little bit after Dan Quinn gave the news. but the news on Jaden Daniels, quote from the coach,

he won't practice today. He'll continue do all the meetings, all the individual stuff, and he'll go through that. But he'll get the treatment today and then he'll continue to progress through today and tomorrow. And I'll update you guys after Friday's practice and we'll go from there, closed quote. So there you go. He did not practice today. The coach says he'll give you an update on Friday. Of course, they have practiced tomorrow,

and there's an injury report that will come out after the practice tomorrow, where we will find out if he practiced or not. Plus, you've got coordinators speaking tomorrow as well. So I'm sure we'll find out if he practices tomorrow or not. My guess at this point is if he practices tomorrow, he plays on Sunday. If he doesn't practice tomorrow, he doesn't play. on Sunday. Now, there's always a chance that with VR technology, which he uses consistently in a walkthrough on Friday, and with treatment that he could feel 100% by the time we get

later in the week or even on Saturday or game day, I just think they'll err on the side of caution, especially if he's not able to practice two straight days because he's not 100%. That's my guess. Dan Quinn was asked also, and this also didn't make the stream, so we don't have the audio. But he was asked on what he needs to see from Daniels for him to be back on the practice field. And he said he's close to there. The practice field is the next step. And then he said, but at practice, you know, the biggest thing is to make sure he can be fully expressive as himself and do all the things that he does. which makes him so unique and special.

And so that's what we'll do. You know, they want him at 100%. They want him to be Jaden Daniels of the first six games of the season, of the first six games and the first play of the seventh game of the season, or they're not going to play him. And as of now, what we do know is he can't fully express himself and do all the things that he does. If that's truly, more likely than not would have been at practice.

So I think tomorrow is a critical day. We'll ask Ben about that momentarily. Yesterday's podcast kind of went out before we had the news, or it was recorded before we had the news, that Jamin Davis was released. And one of the reasons that Jamin Davis was released now, I think, is that Jordan McGee was ready to be activated. and they did activate Jordan McGee. And I'm actually wondering if Jamon Davis would have even made the team in August, early September, if Jordan McGee had been healthy rather than going to injured reserve. Look, you know, we can talk about this until we're blue in the face.

Everybody understands the draft, the first rounders in particular under Ron Rivera, were disastrous. You know, he didn't, as he delusionally described with John Kime last August, he did not leave the new regime with a full cupboard in which they would be thanking him and they'd be on their knees thanking him for what he had done and that he would actually perhaps deserve if he had left them with the roster and the quarterback that he thought he was leaving him with if they went on to win a Super Bowl if he didn't deserve a ring. I mean, one of the true cringe moments of Ron Rivera's time here. A good man. Okay, no one will ever accuse him of not being a good man that everybody around the league likes and everybody that's ever been around him likes. This was a very bad situation here for him. And he was not just a coach.

He was a general manager and had to be the voice and face of an organization that was constantly under scrutiny and under investigation, as we know. And he did it all the while, while battling cancer when he first got here and just trying to stay healthy the rest of the time. But my God, the delusion of Ron before last year began. Yeah, Jamin Davis, Jahan Dotson, of course, as we know, Chase Young, and, you know, the last one standing in terms of first rounders. is Emmanuel Forbes.

We'll see on him. I want to play actually some sound from Dan Quinn because eventually the stream picked up the Dan Quinn presser and it picked it up right in time for a question that Ben Standing asked him. I want you to listen to the question because it is a follow-up to Jamie Davis being released and then just the fact that the roster and the cupboard was kind of bear. I just want you to listen to the question and the answer. The fact that another first round pick is gone. The second one you guys have moved on from shows the hole that you

guys were in from an initial standpoint at least. It seems like, I guess, impressive on some level that you guys have gotten where you are. How much of a hole ultimately do you look at that and say initially, once we got started, wow, we really had to figure out what to do here. Honestly, I don't think of it in that way. It's just a matter of like absolutely, like when change happen, things move, you know, and systems change and people change. And so coaching and scouting and players, it's all part of big shifts that go. Oftentimes, if the, you know, schemes are very similar, there would probably be less. But, no, honestly, just digging into, like, just find edges all over the place. I don't know how many times I have said. I loved that answer from Dan Quinn

over the last few weeks, but it seems like at least a half dozen times. This is another one. I love, loved that answer from him. It's a reflection, in my opinion. I think of who he is as a person. He's high road. He's not petty. He's not vindictive. He's empathetic. He's not, you know, heartless, callous. You know, we dealt with 25 years of low road, low rent. You can see as we get to know him kind of week by week. From afar, I'll concede. I'll see that, but that he's got legitimate leadership qualities. You know, if the X's and O's match up with kind of these high quality leader moments that were kind of witnessing, we're in good shape with him. And by extension, the fact that the owner and general manager wanted him and

selected him and hired him, we're in good shape with them too. I know we may be an easy. fan base to kind of fool right now because we so desperately want normalcy. But so far, I think he's the real deal as a person, as a leader, totally genuine. All right, just go beat the bears. With that, let's bring in Ben Standig. Ben, of course, writes for the athletic. Ben has his own podcast called Last Man Standing. Ben can be followed on X at Ben's standing.

Ben's just leaving the park. So you've been there throughout the day. You heard what he said. You also listened to Marcus Mariotta speak after practice. By the way, that was the other piece of news, is that the quarterback that practices on Wednesday is the quarterback that addresses the media. So Marcus Mariotta took the first team reps.

Jaden didn't. So Marcus Mariotta was the quarterback. talking to the beat reporters today out in Ashburn. But let me just start with what do you think you heard from Dan Quinn today about Daniels and whether or not he'll play Sunday against the Bears? Yeah, so he doesn't practice. Quinn will talk next on Friday. That's when presumably will get some type of update.

I don't know if it'll be a definitive one. That may not happen until we get to game time. You know, I think for me, what was the Bill Clinton thing years ago? And he said, what's the definition of it is? It depends on what the definition of week to week. Week to week generally suggests that the player involved with an injury is not going to play that first week, right? Like day-to-day would mean you don't practice the day after this has been established, and then you go forward from there.

So the same thing would logic apply for the week. But that's my only question, is that exactly what Dan Quinn means. He also said they were hopeful the other day about Jaden playing. And, you know, he said this week, like, you know, we were asking what he need to see. And he talked about practice. And, you know, maybe Jaden will get back out there a little tomorrow. I don't know if that's true. He's obviously still going through all the regular meetings.

He's obviously going to do the virtual reality reps that has been a big boon to him starting at LSU and so on. You know, my basic line of is if the week-to-week mean what it historically has meant around sports, then I expect Marcus Marriota starts Sunday. If that's not the case, and it was just a phrasing, and it doesn't really have merit, and we should lean into the whole part, then, you know, then we'll see. But at the moment, I would guess, I mean, look, go back to Brian Robinson situation a few weeks ago, he doesn't play in the second half of the game. They were winning 24-3, I think it would have, but he still didn't play in the second half,

then doesn't play the next game. And I don't know what exactly the pain threshold comparisons would be between the knee, Robin and Daniels rib, but they were pretty cautious with Robinson. No disrespect to any other player in this team, but you think they would be quadruple cautious with this quarterback. So that's why I'm going to guess he doesn't play, but obviously I don't know the whole story on the injury. None of us do.

So we'll have to wait to see. I would just mention this as it relates to Brian Robinson. they weren't going to try to run the football and didn't think they could run the football against Baltimore. And so they felt like it made sense to hold them out of an AFC game in which they weren't going to be prolific running the football or even attempting to run the football. But if they had played the Eagles instead of the Ravens on that particular day, I'm wondering if he would have played. Sure. I mean, you know, again, this goes to the whole point of what this team is. attempting to accomplish here at five and two.

These guys are all competitors. Of course, they're going to do whatever they can to help make the playoffs to win the divisions and to have success should they reach the postseason. But simultaneously, they are still in year one of some type of rebuild or recalibration or what have you. And I think they have to recognize they don't have all the pieces yet regardless of how well they have played. So far, and you don't want to screw any that up.

That's why, from a trade perspective, the deadline, or all the deals they've skipped, the IUCs and Devante Adams, all logical based on the big picture perspective. The same here would apply, I would think, with the quarterback stuff. The fact that, you know, I know Mark's Marriott is for everybody and a lot of lamenting when that was signing all that. But, you know, if you're living in the world of reality, he's still one of the better backup quarterbacks in the league. He is a guy that can go play and succeed on the team, assuming that the team, put them in good positions, and he's not asked to carry the love. I think Kingsbury should probably, will probably do a pretty good job of designing the plays

for what works for Marriota. And they have the way that they can lean on plus their five and two, even if they want to say, hey, it's all about the playoff. Okay, you have some wiggle room to play with. So you put that all together, and it just seems to me that this is a week. You fit this guy, even though, of course, the rest of us are all like, Come on, we want to see Caleb Williams against Jay Daniels, the first and second pick in the draft, all that stuff. But they're clearly don't care about any of that.

You are going to either tie or survive on the hill called this Washington season is a building block developmental season. I love you dearly. But the Brandon Ayuk, the Devante Adams stuff, those were summer conversations, spring conversations. They have played seven games and they are five and two. They've got a quarterback that's a borderline MVP candidate. They lead their division. They're the favorite to win the division. The favorite to win the conference before the season started is three and four.

If this were a game later in the season with the division on the line, home field advantage at least in a round or two on the line, And he was, let's just say, not 100%, but, you know, he's 90%, 95%, he'd be playing. They wouldn't be completely eliminating from their thought process, you know, the next few years. But they'd be thinking, first and foremost, we got a shot at this thing. Let's make a run at it. Yeah, I mean, but it feels like it goes under the, you know, under the category. If my uncle had wheels, it'd be a car or one of those things.

But your uncle does have wheels right now. And they're traveling pretty quickly at 5 and 2. Well, right, but like, okay, yes, the brain that a huge thing happened before the season. Devante Adams got traded 10 minutes ago. So did Marry Cooper. So did Andre Hopkins. Devante Adams wasn't a possibility for here. And that's not even the position they should be looking at.

I'm not arguing with that of what I'm saying. I mean, I never thought about, but like this was like, you know, you live in the real world. People were talking about this. People, you know, national prominent analysts, prognosticators kept saying, great of a fit it would be for Washington to do these things, and there's been zero actual signs that they're going to do anything. And yeah, sure, week 16 with a playoff on the line is one thing. Week eight, when you still have a long way to go,

is something completely different. I still think they would be pretty cautious in this case with Jayden Daniel knowing what it means the bigger picture. And I think, you know, looking for being realistic, the one question we have a lot of people had before the draft, once he was drafted, going through this whole last few months has been the injury thing, right? Like, is he going to sustain getting hit? You know, his body's not the biggest guy out there in terms of, you know, bulk.

And he's not afraid of contact, but, you know, the Giants game, he got popped in the ribs. And, you know, that was a little question what was going on there. And now this, so, you know, I think there's a... I'm not even... I'm not even really talking about the upcoming game, because I actually think they should be cautious and not. play him if he's not, you know, him, you know, 100%. I'm just really referring to your stance, which has not changed, that, you know, where they are,

headspace now isn't any different than it was before the season began. And maybe you're right. I would just say that if they haven't changed their mindset about this particular season, based on the results of the first seven weeks, I would be disappointed. I would be surprised, too. It doesn't mean that they're going to be able to go out and land a player of significance.

It can really help them and upgrade their team this year and give them a better chance to go further because that player may not be available or he may be available and it may be too costly. But if they're not looking into the possibility of upgrading the talent on defense in particular, I'd be surprised and I'd be disappointed. But anyway.

Well, just to stay on this for a quick second, like here's the thing, right? The way that teams absolutely hose themselves over and over and over again is by not correctly assessing where they are and doing too much for some really short-term kind of a deal. I don't get any sense. I haven't this whole time that that is how they are thinking, which is different, though, than suggesting they're not going to sort of do what they have to do

to be as successful as possible this year. I mean, sure, if the playoffs are on the line, whatever, sure, I can see them have to give you a little more leeway to say, fine, let's use Jade if the doctors are saying it's reasonable. They're certainly going to go for in that regard, but that's very different than the alternative. and I'm saying right now in week eight, you know, there's just no reason to risk anything with that kid, but really almost for any of their players, but certainly not him. So, you know, I guess that the mistake he's make over and over and over again is just not being honest with who they are. And I just don't imagine that Washington looks at this and goes, you know what, our defense has been better of late,

and now it's playoff worthy. I still have a lot of doubts. quarterbacks that they have faced that are sort of at a pro bowl level, meaning Baker Mayfield, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, courts them. So I don't see that that that changed because those are the quarterback you'll face in the playoffs. And that's why it just haven't felt like enough has changed. So much has changed from our perspective. Of course, they're five and two.

Things are fun, all that. But in terms of just straight football, I think there's still a lot of questions. Yeah, and I'm not suggesting that they would. be delusional enough to think that they're the 49ers when they traded for McCaffrey or even the Rams when they traded for Von Miller. But I would look at it more like, you know, when the Cowboys dealt for Mari Cooper, they realized that that wasn't going to be a short-term deal, you know, that they were going to pay him and he was interested in staying.

Like, you can do something at the trade deadline that isn't a short-term, you know, rental or a short-term move, but it's part of what you would have been doing in your off-season anyway. You just did it in-season and got the benefit of having that player help you perhaps go further than you would have gone without them. Right, but this involves then trading picks that they need, and that's the rough. But we've seen the prices aren't that high right now. I mean, they weren't, you know. I mean, Devonte Adams cost at least a third. What was Amari Cooper?

Amari Cooper was like a third, right? I mean, what would you? Yeah. That's expensive. I'm not, that's not cheap. Oh, if you told me right now that they could give up a third for Denzel Ward as an example, or even Zadarius Smith, and that they were going to be around because you were going to pay them or they already have contracts, I would say, oh, my God, absolutely yes.

This player is still young enough. They still have, we're going to get a. them in their prime of their career, I would absolutely give up a third rounder for that. I mean, what are the chances that the third rounder you take in next April, and by the way, you have an extra third rounder, not that that means anything different. You want to use them all. I wouldn't, me personally, I wouldn't be super protective of a third round pick for a player that was going to be part of my future in his prime at this point.

I mean, I'm using Denzel Ward as a possibility just because, he's a really good cover corner. Cleveland might sell. He's 26 years old. And, you know, I don't know that you'd ever come close to getting something like him in the third round. He's already proven. Yeah. I mean, again, I, you know, I, this is, I, I love this conversation and this topic.

And it's really a lot of fun in terms of, like, the idea of how you build a team. you know, the Darius Smith is 32. That goes completely against. Yeah. Right. Denzel Ward would be more of the example. Yeah. Right. But even, you know, but even then, he signed up, what, a five-year, $100 million contact two years ago. I don't know the exact, like, breakdown of, like, what he's got left. But, you know, that's pretty pricey. You know, I'm just saying, I don't know how long-term that is, because I imagine, like most of these contracts by the end of the third year, he's probably getting priced out. So whatever, like I said, I just think that they are. ahead of the game. It's just great. I don't see that. I'd be very, very surprised if they do

it. But I'm happy to be wrong. I don't know, because we'll see. But I just still feel like that would be pretty surprising. Well, I would be surprised, too, because you would be surprised. That's how much I believe in your reporting and your sources and your instincts being out there every day. So I would be surprised at this point, too, because you would be surprised. I'm just telling you that personally, if they weren't at least in a slightly different headspace right now and thought process right now based on what they've done in the first seven weeks of the season, I would be a little bit disappointed. Here's the, and this is mostly like an instinct play, but I also haven't heard anything from around the league, you know, from what I've heard,

you know, sure, watching and made some calls and talked to people. whatever, but it's very much like, yeah, well, we're not wrestling for anything, and I don't know if we're going to do anything, so we'll see. But here's the thing that changed all. Back in 2020, I think even the biggest mistake of the Ron Rivera era, and it's not really a mistake, but then winning the division screw them up so much because it dropped them from being like a 10th,

the 10th pick down to the 19th pick, ironically. They end up taking Jamie Davis, but all the quarterbacks were gone on that year, and granted none of them have really pan out. You said it was 10th to 19th, right? Because they were a playoff team. Correct. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, something like that, right.

But the difference now is they already have the quarterback, so it doesn't matter. Like, they don't have to play the lottery game, which is why it's not like, it's not like I'm going, oh, my God, they should lose more games because they need to be in the position to get a quarterback. They have a guy. The only issue is now, you know, these picks, any pick in the top 100 is probably got to be viewed as a multi-year starter. and you have that guy on the cheap. So how much you want to sacrifice that for the long term for this short-term game? And that's the question. I do think they need to the quarterback.

There's no argument with that. I don't see how this group remotely is good enough. But, you know, how much you're giving up? What cornerback are you getting that's going to be, you know, helpful enough to help turn things around? You know, that's obviously the big question. Well, yeah, I mean, all of this is so ridiculous because I could be right in that they definitely interested and they are looking and they are making calls. And at the same time, you may be right that they won't do anything. Ultimately, it could be because there was nobody

available, you know, or there was nobody available for a price they were willing to pay. Like, was probably the case with Brandon Ayuk, you know, during the offseason. They weren't willing to pay what the Niners wanted. You know, what's interesting is, like last year, with Adam Peters in the 49th front office, they traded a compensatory third round pick here for Chase Young. That team, of course, but the 49ers had Super Bowl aspirations and they made it.

This team is not making that trade. It's kind of where I'm at. It's in reverse now. I'd be stunned if that trade is made. Well, certainly not for a player that had massive red flags all over them in terms of health. That was a

flyer to try to you know, add some punch to a team that they thought was going to be playing against the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. Sure, but like you know how it goes, right? We always obsess more about the players on our team, so to speak, that we're covering or rooting for or whatever versus the others. Chase Young to the 49ers seems like a pretty great trade, right? The guy who's clearly going to help, and I'm saying if it comes the other way, we don't

know exactly what's going on. Are these guys not, do they not work hard, or are they injury prone? Why is this scene just moving on from them? Is it just, like, you know, even these bad teams need these guys, why would you trade a 26-year-old cornerback? Even if, you know, you need something, what's a building block? That's what I'm just saying, like, it's, everything can sound good, but you really have to know all the details.

And we know the details much better on the people who are around us all the time than we do on the guys who are on any other team. Well, let's not also forget that they traded a third rounder for a true rental. I'm not recommending that. I would want to know that this player not only improves your team significantly for this year, but is around for the next several and is a significant part of what you would have been looking for, or is equal to what you would have been looking for in the off season anyway. We got sidetracked here, and it's fine because the conversation's good,

and we'll have more opportunities to have this conversation. but it may be completely moot if they lose to Chicago and then lose to the Giants. Let's hope that doesn't happen. So back to Jaden for a moment. Your week-to-week thing makes sense to me. And I even talked to Tommy about it yesterday on the show and said, you know, Ben had kind of described it as he thinks, you know, if you truly were going to play on Sunday,

it would have been described as day-to-day, but maybe that's just how they decided to describe it. We're going to know something tomorrow. We're going to know if he practices or not tomorrow. If he doesn't practice tomorrow, I think that that's a clear – we have our answer. Do you agree? He's not playing. Yeah.

I mean, I think that's fair. I mean, obviously, like, if we were talking about a 10-year veteran quarterback, that player probably doesn't even have to practice all week or to still be able to play. And maybe, Jaden, who is clearly advancing. in so many ways compared to standard rookies. Maybe there's a world where that's the case, but between the mental, the physical, and all that, you would think that they would not play him if he doesn't practice

each first two days or so. And one thing to note is basically if we hear Jayden Daniels talk this week to a reporter with a microphone, that means he practiced. And if he doesn't, then he doesn't, then he doesn't and he's probably not going to play. He will talk should he practice. But. Well, we'll have an injury report tomorrow. That'll say D&P, limited or full.

I've never known any teams ever not. Well, I mean, and by the way, don't you think Cliff Kingsbury's going to be asked about it tomorrow? Don't you think you're going to ask Cliff Kingsbury if he practiced or not? Sure. And he'll defer everything to Dan Quinn, I would imagine. And so, yeah, look, I mean, again, you know, it's funny, David Alder, of course, my colleague at the athletic. He wrote a column after the game about how the decision

to sit Daniel and not bring him back with his injury, even though he came back on the sideline and looked like he was in a pretty good mood, is an example of adults now sort of running the show compared to when, you know, whether it was Dr. Andrews or RG3 or whatever, they got, you know, he got talked into that RG3 could go back out there, and yes, it was the playoffs, et cetera, against Seattle. But, you know, it's clearly a lot of caution. And, you know, know from that moment, his career was never the same, right?

We could question a lot of other things, but that's how this career is never the same. I just would be so surprised, considering how well this kid has played, considering how much this season has already exceeded expectations, but almost everything is like, you know, they're playing with house money at this point and all that, that you would just risk it, unless this rib injury is massively overblown, and it's not that big of a deal. But it just seems it's got to be more than, you know, than just, it's a, as they said in the Holy Grail movie, it's just a flesh wound, no big deal.

I just, I would be, it doesn't make sense to me that they would force him in there. You know, unless again, this thing is really not, it's not much to do about anything. You know, I never got into Monty Python at all. Neither, to be honest. Just was not a big fan. I agree. Like, if he's not Jaden Daniels, like we've saw in the, first five games, I'm not playing him. I'm just not. But I'm also not just going to, I'm also

not going to hold him out if he is going to be Jaden Daniels. And he's totally fine. And the injury was a little bit overblown or overdone a little bit. Like I'm not going to just hold him out to say, look at us. We're being adults. And I'm not expecting them to do that. Don't even get me started on, you know, January 2012. Anyway, who else is, what about Brandon Coleman? What's his deal with the concussion? Is it just day by day? Yeah, it sounds like, you know, he's doing the concussion protocols. Quinn seemed to be saying that he's, you know, everything seems to be okay so far.

But, you know, as we know, these things are super tricky. So it's really impossible to project that. You know, I would say similar thing. If he's not practicing by Friday, then probably don't see him. And again, in this case, somewhat similar to the Jane Daniels thing with Marriota behind him. you've got Cornelia Flukas. It's real, you know, we're just saying he would just play more than he has been all year. He's always been a pretty solid option.

So it's not the world's biggest deal of Coleman's out, but obviously they want to have as many guys as possible. So, yeah, we'll just see if he's not practicing by Friday. I can't imagine he's playing. All right. Ben is going to stick around for a bit. I'm going to ask Ben about Marcus Mariotta on Sunday if he goes against Chicago. We'll get to that. And more right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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when he came in for Jaden Daniels? And the second part is, do you think they're okay if they go into the game Sunday with him? Do you think they can still win the football game against Chicago? Yeah, you know, look, I think that this to me goes back to what I've said before the season about what I think is most interesting with his team right now beyond, like, the Jane Daniels. And that is Cliff Kingberry, how does he approach everything? He's going to have to be at his tactical best to cover up for the fact that, yes, you know, those Jane Daniels and Terry McClor, but they don't have a ton of dynamic players on offense, but here they are. They're like the best offense in the league.

Even last week with Marriota coming in after the first drive, you wouldn't have known that anything was different, really, with the way they kept scoring again. The Panthers are horrible if we get that. But so to that end, though, you know, you've got to put Mariotta in the right positions. And Kingsbury, you know, he has come in here and talk to Jaden Daniels and try to figure out what does this kid want to run.

What will have a conversation? Do you like this play? No. Okay, scrap that. What about this one? I think it'll be the same deal with Mariotto. That's a Marietta said today as well. I just think, you know, you've got to keep him out of,

look, the opposite would be ideal if they're able to keep the lead, so he doesn't have to throw it a ton. And he's not really much of a downfield thrower anymore, but he obviously can hit crossing patterns. He can work underneath. I think I'm getting nervous now watching him run because he's not afraid of contact and he's had a lot of injuries in his career. But, you know, I think they can do a lot of,

of the same things that they've done, minus, I would guess, the deep shots. But, you know, I mean, based on that, if Kingsbury dials up a good game plan, I don't see why it couldn't work. I mean, that said, the Bears are top five so far this year in points allowed and yards allowed. So this is a much better defense than what they have faced. I guess statistically, it's got to be the best defense they faced, right, to this point. So, you know, that in itself is a different type of a challenge for the whole offense.

but, you know, look, when you bring in a guy like Marriota, this is why you want to have at least a puncher's chance of maintaining the level, it's a good one, that you're at. And, you know, generally speaking, I think he'll do that or he can do that, but, you know, we'll see how he'll be. So the reason why he's where he is now, he's no longer viewed as a, you know, must-start kind of a guy, so his officers down, but he's, you know, he's got the good, and he clearly seems like he's getting what Kingsbury is, uh, you know, it wants to do. too. You're the best. Ben Standing, everybody. Read them, listen to them, follow him, do all that.

I'll talk to you soon. Oh, wait a minute. I forgot to congratulate you, even though it was two months late. You had the Jamon Davis thing right all along. I'll take it I wrote in my story regular newser on the on the move I wrote it might be the only misstep that the management's had so far and even if it's pretty minor

it's not going to alter anything but yeah I never understood what he was what the point was of keeping him around at the stage other than just they had never worked with him and you know let's see what happens but yeah it just didn't

it didn't work out either as an edge rusher or in any real way. Yeah, I mean, look, it's crazy that another guy's gone. I don't know if you heard. I sure I phrased it awkwardly, but like I asked Dan Quinn, like, I get it. Like, you guys are, you know, everybody's a family. There's no, it's not separated by guys that were here and guys who just brought in. But you guys are obviously in a pretty rough hole. This is now the second first round pick you gave up from here, let alone what was already missing.

but, you know, he didn't take Bainton's speak, he just got to say, you know. He did more than that. I played that question and answer in the open. He handled the question is it totally justifiable question, 100%. He is a high road guy, period. And we saw an example of that with his answer to your question. And, you know, and not only is he a high road guy, but he also still has Martin Mayhew in his organization. So not that if Martin weren't here anymore, do I think he would have answered the question differently?

I don't. I think that's just who he is. And, you know, even when he got into the part of the answer where he talked about, you know, schemes, you know, maybe if the schemes were similar, I don't know if he meant that or not, but it was just another way to say, I'm not here to bury anybody from the past. This is, you know, that's not who I am and it's not who I want the organization to be because, you know, this was the lowest road organization top down for 25 years. I mean, anybody in that role probably would have taken a big shot at the predecessor. And if it wasn't him, it would have been somebody in the front office would have taken a big shot. And I just thought that that was, I think we've learned that this is a good person and a class act and a high road guy, which is probably one of the reasons. is one of the reasons he's a great leader and one of the reasons they wanted him as much as they wanted him.

Oh, I wanted to ask you, I think you may have gotten it even more accurate with respect to timing had Jordan McGee not gotten hurt. Yeah, I think that's probably accurate for sure. Yeah, once he went on IR, he definitely created a space. I mean, I think, you know, I didn't anticipate them cutting KJ. Henry that would be at a left field. Yeah. And so once that happened, and McGee, like, well, I guess, Jamie will make it by default. But, by the way, just to sort of double-click on this, okay, fine. They kept them around for a few weeks, no harm, no foul, no big deal, he moved on.

But they were the group that said, hey, here's what we're going to do. We're going to take Jamie Davis away from being a linebacker who has. to think in coverage because of the way he kept being used. And we're going to say, here, go, go towards the quarterback. Go toward the line of scrimmage. Maybe he's not a true defense event, per se. But it was so obvious watching him for the last three years. It's like, why are you putting this guy in coverage?

He needs to just be the guy that you say, there's a ball. Go get it. And it was just such a miscalculation. They were so desperate to get him to be first a Mike linebacker, which, you know, look, I'm not trying to rag on Dammit David, but what a miscalculative. this misunderstanding is a player. Yeah.

And then on the outside, you know, he was okay, but it was no real playmaking. He was getting torched in wheel routes week after week at fault like. This group looks like, okay, if we're going to try this thing, we're going to move him here, try this and see if this work ultimately didn't, but at least they understood what they were dealing with, I think, far more than the last group did. Yeah, no doubt. And it just, I talked about this earlier today on radio, but, you know, going back through the draft, you know, the first round picks and all of the whiffs.

But really what's so annoying, and you and I talked about this, and we were on the same page a year ago, just the wishcasting that the head coach, you know, entered 2023, you know, doing. It was a wish cast on Be Enemy. It was a wish cast on Howl. It was a wish cast on Jamon Davis. Like it just, you know, he somehow, you know, wished it into existence before it had happened, but he didn't really believe in any of it. And it just, the season was doomed before it started. You know, they've had a lot of seasons like that over the years. But last year's in particular, you know, during the whole off season, it's like, really? He's the starting quarterback. You didn't even want to start him in a meaningless season finale until somebody talked you into doing it.

And to take your wishcasting a step further, you know, I think there's, you know, when Fitzpatrick gets hurt, that's just bad luck. And I think Patrick was the guy that people are okay. You know, the guy can play. Yeah. But with the next year, the Carson went, that was the ultimate wishcast. Oh, my God. Here's a guy that, like, multiple teams that said we got to get rid of whatever it takes.

They can, no, no, here. Hold my beer. Let's take a shot. It didn't work on 100 levels, even just have. they even built around him with, you know, a terrible play at guard for a guy who gets panicky in the pocket, right? And then that led to, you know, so much, so many people were angry over that. He then said a week after the season, oh, you know what? Well, you know what?

Well, what? So, like, one thing led to another, led to another. And again, that's one of the things that makes what's happening here. So interesting, and it goes almost back to the trade deadline story in that it doesn't, you know, it feels like they are going to stay with what they are playing is. and not get twisted around because of circumstances the way it felt like the last group did over and over again. What's been the most annoying, let's just call it fan reaction. It's not just fan reaction. That's actually not accurate because there's been plenty of fan reaction,

media reaction outside the market, inside the market. rank in the in terms of annoyance. Carson Wentz, the people that told, you know, certain people like maybe you and me to shut up and sit down that they got it right. Taylor Heineke, Sam Howe, or Eric Bienemy. That's a pretty good list there. Rank in terms of the reaction. Let me just say, the reaction to Eric Bienemy, I just never understood. I don't know why people, including a lot of our friends, were so convinced that they had pulled

off the heist of the century when nobody in the league wanted them. Literally, nobody wanted them. So that would be my number one. What's your number one? I think you're on to it. I mean, like, as annoying as the same how far was, at least it was an unknown, and, you know, he had some traits he liked, and it was just, I just think they just didn't handle him properly, but who knows. Hinekeelow. It was a fun story. You know, Taylor,

he was a kudos to him for what he's done. But, you know, I think even he would acknowledge. There's nothing that his game that suggests this guy needs to be a starter, should be considered as one. And for Wend's, like, they were in just desperate straight. So, like, I understood why they did it.

But, and look, the first two games, like you can see the talent. It's just, you know, a lot of reasons why he was bouncing around. So, yeah, I think I'm with you. The enemy thing was just because he'd been with Keynes. city. People just cannot understand that, you know, everybody can

say whatever they want. The guy was not in charge of the offense. He also wasn't in charge of the locker room, and Rivera gave him both jobs here, and one, he clearly was, you know, the throw the ball 50 times straight in one game is insane. I don't care what the score was. And then clearly the locker room thing, we all, you know, from the back in training camp,

we were already hearing about players being frustrated and disgruntled and yada, yada. It's no surprise. They're all much, much happier this year with a different regime. So, yeah, I think I'm going to be on me. Yeah, I think that one, to me, is the biggest head scratcher that people just didn't see the red flags draped all over him and the higher. Number two for me would probably be whence, because, again,

how did you not see that two pretty solid organizations, certainly one, they rid themselves of him at significant costs. Philly did it for the biggest salary cap hit in NFL history at the time. And you're going to convince me that this organization's going to figure him out? No, I don't think so. Heineke, like you said, I mean, the people, I'm not going to name names, but the people that were just absolutely so sold on them, I mean, the naivete or the lack of just kind of watching the rest of the league was in play there.

But the kid was a gamer. Like, he was smart. He could play and he, you know, he still is a backup in the league. You know, it's funny, I was watching the Chargers the other night against Arizona. And after a drive, Herbert came back and he walked right to Heineke and started talking to Heineke about something. and Heineke was giving him something back. Like there was a, I don't know what they were saying. I was projecting there that Taylor Heineke's a smart dude.

He's a hell of a teammate. Everybody likes him. And he probably would be a hell of a coach at some point down the road. So for me, yeah, it got annoying taking the calls saying, we don't need to look for a quarterback. Why are you mentioning these names? Why are you talking about the draft? We got our guy like they did with Sam Howell.

But whence to me, at least Heineke could, you know, was a fighter, a gamer, smart, the whole thing. And Hal, for me, I'm with you. Like, to me, I didn't, I had no idea what to expect. I just couldn't believe that people didn't see that he dropped to the fifth round for maybe a good reason. And that if he actually was the answer, it would have been a major long shot coming home. Nobody really viewed it that way, but yeah, I mean, and to your point, too, it wasn't his fault last year. I'm not saying he didn't take part in it. He can't see over the line of scrimmage.

That's part of his problem, which is why they took so many sacks. But it was the coordinator's fault for continuing to drop him back over and over again. Yeah, and Seattle traded for him willing to say maybe he's the backup, but maybe he's not. We'll see what happened. Right. And, by the way, just one last thing to bolster the argument for BNemi, me, we already have to establish why Heineke and Howard the answer. I do think on some level,

especially hearing things after all went down, that this is where maybe the owner got involved to a degree. At least it just put a thumb on the scale. Like, wait, really? Who was our quarterback? What are we doing? Because what was the one time we saw Bands Snyder pop out over the previous couple years when he did that video when he's in some sort of a Zoom conference with the gaming board or something? The gaming board in Maryland.

And he makes the comment about now we have a quarterback with the wens. So he clearly was happy about it, which can't be ignored from the standpoint of how to the ultimate get here. Remember, too, didn't somebody report that, that that was, you know, Snyder? Because remember, they wanted Garoppolo, and Garoppolo went and had the surgery that killed the deal with the 49ers. It was going to be Garoppolo. But Garoplo said, I don't want to go to play for them and said, I need surgery. So he got surgery that killed that deal. and then they were in panic mode, and they went and got wents.

But somebody reported that Snyder basically really pushed them. Ironically against the Bears, that Thursday night, Thursday or Monday. The ESPN guys, Seth. Yeah. Right. And then Ron went off after the game. Right.

And I'm the one that scouting him. And, you know, I don't know the Snyder would have said, go get him. I think he was more like, wait a minute, Mitch Trubiskey, no. What else got? Well, correct me if I'm wrong, now that we're talking about this, I think Mariota was a possibility for them. I think Ron or somebody liked Marcus Mariotta. I'm trying to think who it was.

Well, I think I did report that year that there was at least some interest in it. And to me, like, that was the kind of guy they should have gone for, meaning you're still building. It doesn't cost you anything. There is some potential there. staff is good. You can get something out of it. I mean, I can't remember what year was, but one of those years I thought Baker-Mayfield made a ton of sense for the same reason. Obviously, Marriota, you know, things fell off a bit, maybe the injuries, whatever.

But, yeah, I mean, I think, look, anything they would have done would have been better than trading those picks and taking on that salary for Wentz. I mean, that's a thing. The Wentz thing, the picks were bad enough because they were going to cut them, but you probably to avoid, you know, being in a competition with maybe one other team, I would imagine maybe one other team may have been interested. You had to probably send them a pick of sorts, but picking up the whole salary and not making Indianapolis eat half of it was so Snyder-esque because he was such a terrible, terrible negotiator when it came to things like that as an NFL loan.

they just constantly lined up around the league to talk to Dan and whomever his, you know, lackey was at the time to do a deal with him. And that one just reeked so much of him in terms of the compensation and the picking up the whole salary. By the way, I know we need to go. I don't know if you saw I tweeted this the other day. this was from next-gen stats. So the commanders have scored at least 20 points in all seven other games.

It's the first time they've done that since 1999. And I know these things are not really related, but the 1990 season was the last one that did not involve Dan Snyder before he bought the team later in the county year. And this is the first off. This is the first one where he had no say in the off season either. Wow. It's kind of just funny. Again, it's more random than anything, but it is kind of funny how it worked out that way.

Well, I had Brad Johnson on the show last week. He's actually such a good guy, but we talked a little bit about that 99 season. And, yeah, I mean, they scored 50 against the Jets early in the season. After they got, you know, they had the 35-14 lead against the Cowboys, and that was the Rocket Ishmael game. Oh, I talked to Vinny about this, too. I had Vinny on the show two weeks ago. We were talking about 99.

Vinny told me, you know what? My listeners have heard this. I can tell you this by letting you go and then we can stay on the phone and I can tell you about it. But basically, Vinny told the story of how Jeff George got acquired. Of course, it was all Dan. All right. Okay, this was fun. This was somewhat productive, but always enjoyable.

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There was a lot on college football, and then there was a lot about the commanders in Jaden Daniels and Cliff Kingsbury. And so what I'm going to do with what I recorded with Steve is give you some of it today, the part about primarily Washington, Jaden Daniels, Cliff Kingsbury, a little bit of college football in there at the end. And then I will give you most of the college football stuff on Friday show leading into a big college football weekend. So we had talked about college football for a while. And Stanford, Steve, from the Scott Van Pelt Sports Center show, from College Game Day. I was about to say thanks, see you later. We'll talk about Jaden Daniels next time,

and he didn't want to hear about that. He wanted to talk about Jaden Daniels and the football team today. And so that's what we did, and that's where you'll pick up the conversation. And again, the rest of it, I'll play for you on Friday show. Here it is. All right, we'll talk Jaden Daniels the next time you're on. Thanks for doing this.

All right, go ahead. I have one question for you. All right. Come on. Go ahead. You can't. Me. What?

All right. You were the first one to mention Jaden Daniels for MVP. I have one question. Does Marcus Mariotas' performance last week hurt your Jaden Daniels MVP talk? Well, just the fact that he may not play this Sunday. And by the way, the MVP discussion is basically over anyway because Lamar Jackson is the MVP of the league seven weeks into the season. This guy has taken a massive step forward as a quarterback. He's actually, other than Jaden, my favorite player to watch in the league,

you're trying to get to is Cliff Kingsbury the reason that all of this is happening. So I did a segment maybe two weeks ago, you know, kind of your pie chart of credit, you know, slice the pie, how much Jaden, how much Cliff, how much something else. And I was a couple of weeks ago, I think I was 75% Jaden, 20% Cliff, and 5% kind of the O-line and everything else. What about the head coach? Well, I mean, okay, but we're focused more on just the offense, and we've got a defensive head coach. But by the way, he gets a lot of credit for everything that's gone on because the organization is just completely, it's a completely different organization top down than than it's been, as you know, in a quarter century.

But I would say, well, let me ask you, I want your answer. Now that we saw what Mario da did, and keep in mind, and I know you know this, Carolina is the worst defensive team in the league, the worst. He also came into the game when the game was already starting to feel like it was over for the Panthers. But at the same time, Marioita was great. He was, I mean, it was a high-level performance. from the backup quarterback.

And I was happy for him. I thought he was pretty decent the year in Atlanta with Arthur Smith. But you answer it. What percentage, Jaden, what percentage, Cliff, what percentage, anything else? Jaden's obviously the majority. Just, you know, in between the lines has to go a lot farther than the plan. And, you know, you've still got to execute what the plan is. So, Jaden, for sure.

What percent? The one thing, I've got 65. Okay. All right. Yep. One thing I wonder about is their overall team health, because you talk, you know, they kept I mean, the Mario to throw to Zach Ertz, like I wasn't sure those guys could do that back when they played against each other in college.

That was an incredible. The one at the end of the first half. Yeah, the touchdown. Yeah, I mean, that's. I keep saying like that, catch the ball and get down, man. You're too old. You're, you are valuable, but get down. And he goes up and snags that one.

And it's just a great throw from Marcus. I didn't think he still had that in him. The thing about Mariota is he's probably fed less than any quarterback that's ever played. Like he's just not into the talking mantra. And I think that affects people on his team. They look for the quarterback to be the leader outspoken, get guys going. He's just not that. He's going to be buttoned up. He's going to be prepared. He's going to be ready to play. But they love them. They love them.

Yeah, no, no. Oh, yeah. They love him. It's just, he's not doing the extra. He's not going out and doing an extra interview. Like, he's just not going to do that. No. The one thing you're going to have to, they have to, is running the football. I wonder about the health of Robinson and Echler. You know, I told you, Jayden's concerned to me, was his body type. the only thing. And it's going to, you're going to have to be fortunate as far as health and those guys. You know, I think the pieces, the keyest, you know, the other guys that have stepped in have been awesome. And the best thing you saw that, and I think Clip does this very, very well, is, you know, you talk about guys earning their role or establishing their role. he tells you what your role is going to be.

And you see that. Guys, guys, you know, whether it's personnel and it's down in distance. Like, everybody's on the same page. The offensive line has, they've been better than I thought they were going to be, and I think anyone could say that. But now you're into it.

You know, now you're, what we played, one division game. Yeah. Did you just say we? Did you just say how many division games have we played? No, no, no, I meant NFL fan. All right, I'm just, I thought you were referring to Washington. And I'm like, you live here now.

Have you adopted them? Are you still, you know. I'm rooting for the story. It's awesome to see how crazy people. I mean, we went to the airport three weeks ago. We took two steps off the plane, and the guy was asking Scott about the commanders. I had never seen that in my whole time here. Right.

Did they announce a crowd attendance for last time? I think it was it was not a sellout, but it was as close to a sellout as possible. It was a bigger crowd than the Cleveland crowd. So will they sell out a non-division game? I'm thinking that Sunday has to be a sellout because I guarantee you there will be more Chicago fans than there were Carolina or Cleveland fans. that So I thought They haven't announced it yet

They're most underrated NFL fan base Oh they're they're phenomenal And they travel Yeah they're really Yeah they travel That's what I was saying So yeah That'll be interesting

Yeah I jumped on They were plus one Before last week's game They were plus 1 35 To win the division I jumped on that Like no other Yep

I mean, there's a long way to go, and five's got to stay healthy. And you're right, with Mario da in there, you know, you can't ask him to drop back and throw from the pocket 25 to 30 times. That's not his game. No. And Jaden's proven he can do that. Yep. But you still didn't answer the rest of it. So 65 Jaden, is that 35 Cliff?

Yes. Okay. All right. I know you're, look, one of the. the reasons I was very adamant that Kingsbury was a good hire and would prove to be. One of the reasons, you know that, you know, that the people that really know college football, no people in the sport, they know that, no, no, forget the Arizona thing, forget, you know, whatever happened here or there.

This guy is smart as hell. is great with quarterbacks, and he can do it. And so far, so good. Yeah, no, he's, you know, everybody sees the good looks. They remember the picture from Draft 9 and his great house in Arizona. He's an awesome, awesome mind, and he's a super, all that stuff overshadows how good of a worker he is. He's brilliant, man, and I'm so, so happy for him because this is a deal that could be

really, really special. And like I said, they've got to be fortunate. when everybody in the league knows that. And especially Dan Quinn, knowing the Miles that he put into this league. So it's been so awesome to watch from afar, and maybe we'll get you to a game. That's pretty funny. That was a good one. Where is Game Day?

Are you guys Notre Dame Navy? No, we're going to Bloomington. Oh, right, for Indiana, Washington. We're going to Bloomington. Okay. Yeah, my vote was. Notre Dame, maybe, but the whole being a noon game and then being a neutral site, it's just, it doesn't, like, what we, what we are, our circus that we have to bring in, you know, in our

set up and our stages, all the people, I just don't think was doable in a last thing. Here's the crazy thing, Kevin. If Florida State was even 500, we would probably be in Miami. Right. And they have one win. Yeah. They're 21-point favorite, I think. Well, Bloomington's one of those places, because I took one or two of the boys to visit.

I love that whole college town setup. It's a great place. It's one of the few I've never been to, and I'm super, super fired up. I was joking with the people. I know it's a basketball school. Right. So I was wondering if I should wear like Yukon gear because they've been so long since they've won a title. But I didn't want to piss off the people.

It's been a long time. But look, you know, watching what Indiana's doing gives, I think, you know, a lot of us as Maryland people hope that Maryland football could be something like that. I mean, Signetti obviously was the right higher. And Locke has a top 25 class coming in next year. Yep. We'll see. But yeah, would love football to be right there with basketball. But there are some schools where one sports more important than the other. We all know that as fans. Yeah. It's really in this day and age, like you look at what Indiana did, it's really, really cool to see because Indiana is probably the best story right now. You know, Vanderbilt's up there. But the Army and Navy thing of just, buckle up your helmet. We're not taking anybody in the portal.

We're going to do this with continuity and wherewithal. In this whole day and age, it's awesome to see those teams succeed in with their beliefs. No doubt. It really, really is because you don't get it. Look, if one of them beats Notre Dame, they've got a shot to be in the playoffs. No, no. Yeah, we can't get both in there. No. The other, my favorite thing this week, too, is how Matt Penn State people are that Maryland

beat SB too. I love seeing that. They are? They saw going to the Coliseum and being USC was the biggest thing of the year so far. And then, you know, little old Maryland gets that. Penn State, they don't care what we think in football.

No, it's, it's good to see because they, well, let's put this way. We know they think very highly of themselves, but after Maryland being SC, they can't carry that. Do they have any? shot against Ohio State and Happy Valley in a few weeks? Absolutely. Absolutely. They better watch out this week, though, because that's one of my favorite venues in the country.

Camp Randall at night, man. That's a different animal. But they got to play well. And I think that game for Aller was huge, knowing, seeing that he could do it on the road and facing a fourth quarter deficit, because that's when you learn about your guys. And Cottle Nicky's a genius offensively. and I love Tom Allen, and he's done a great job with that defense. That defense is going to be what we need to see. They were not good against SC, but I think that's more about Lincoln playing to his strengths and knowing the Penn State defense.

Now we'll see what Penn State's defense has these next two weeks, because that's what they're going to have to rely on. They can't give up 30 points and win. That can't happen again. So my last thing to say to you is when you get to work tonight, and you say I went on with Sheehan, and the two of you, you and Scott, start talking about how long did he keep you there? How long was it?

Please tell him that it wasn't my fault that I wanted to dump you 20 minutes ago. I thought, most importantly, I thought I was going to get to watch the Wizards tonight. Not tonight, tomorrow night, and, you know, maybe we can get a stop. Yeah. You're the best. I always love doing this with you because it goes in all kinds of different directions, but we will be watching Game Day from Bloomington on Saturday morning. By the way, the ratings for Game Day this year through the roof.

Steve is having a big year with your picks. What's your record right now after Saturday? 18 and 8. 18 and 8. Wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. 16 and 8, I think. Okay. 16 and 8. Massive. 16 and 8. We're talking about he's hitting it 66.6%, 6% repeating.

And that's really, really good. The smell test is not so good this year. I've gotten obliterated the last two weeks in the NFL. As you know, so has every sports book in the world. The last two weeks the public has feasted in the NFL. Yeah. Well, two weeks ago, it was 9-0 road favorite, APS. That's a good.

Yeah, it was 10, I think it was 11, 2, and 1 overall favorites. Yeah. All right, I'll holler at you later. Thanks for doing this. All right, my man. Stanford, Steve, everybody. And again, I'll have more of Steve on college football at the end of Friday's show. And he'll tell the story, by the way, of being in Austin on Saturday night for Georgia, Texas.

and being where all of the water bottles were being thrown onto the field. He talked about that and said just the scene for that game was incredible. All right, back tomorrow with Tommy.