The Kevin Sheehan Show - "Does this shirt make me look fat?"

Episode Date: September 12, 2018

Kevin opens the show by taking issue with a photo of him in the Washington Post, and he also reads some emails and talks about the Nats chances to make the playoffs (relax, he knows it's a long shot), and he makes a bold prediction about the Redskins. Then he talks more Redskins with ESPN's John Keim, and after that he speaks with Jeff Ermann of 247sports.com about Maryland's 2-0 start to their football season and what will happen in the wake of the internal report on the death of Jordan McNair, and he close things out with a quick round of "NFL : Buy or Sell". <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. This email to start the show today from Steve, who is a Redskins fan, emailing me from Berlin, Germany. How about that? Berlin. Oversees. Kevin, I'd like to help you with your logo and your social media marketing. So pleased that you're doing this podcast. I think I can really help with the show's branding. Let me know. Good morning, everybody. It's the Kevin Sheehan Show. It's the podcast, and it's presented by Windonation. I do have a bit of a bit of a beef with Mark, my producer here, because Scott Allen was very nice to write a quick story about the podcast for the post.

He used a picture that I had not yet seen, but apparently I tweeted it. I retweeted it. I guess I did. And I didn't look at the picture that you took of me two days ago. doing the show here at Chatter, Tony's studio in Friendship Heights. But it makes me look like I'm 500 pounds. What? I'm looking at the picture right now. I am not Annie Leibovitz. So I, how did that get out?

I just was taking, I wanted to take a picture when you're behind the microphone, and I probably should have cropped a little bit, because it does look like you're about three months pregnant. And in reality, I'm looking at you right now. You're a very handsome man. Hold on, let me just say this. First of all, I've never been, and you've known me longer than anybody in this room, all right, and longer than a lot of people. It's only me and you.

It's me and Aaron Oster. You know me that I'm not big into sort of personal branding and self-promotion kind of activities. Yes. It's just never, and in this particular venture, apparently I have to be much more involved in doing that. And so when I saw this picture after not really seeing it the other day, I'm like, well, that's not good because while I am, I'm certainly not what I would call svelt or in tip top. I am not massively overweight. No. As that picture depicted me.

It would indicate, yeah. Like my shirt must have just been flying out at the moment somehow. Yeah. It makes me look like I'm a solid three bills. Yeah, and you are not. You're at least to 280, 290 tops. I'm not anywhere near that. Now, I'm not two bills.

I'm over two bills. But at 6.3, you should be in the 210 to 215 range. I would say you're a slender man. That was quite a picture. Sorry about that. Lots to get to. No, you're not. You're not sorry at all.

No, you know what? I took a picture with Katie Ledecki, and I was so proud of it. And I looked at it. And I don't know whether my gut was, I don't know what was going on, but it looked like I had a bowling ball. And I'm, as you know. And you're in great shape. Yeah.

And I was like, I can't show anybody this picture. I looked terrible. Yeah. But the picture I took of you and Tommy was a great picture. It's fine. You see that one? Yeah, but the picture, here's the problem. The other picture you took of just me and the picture that you took of Tom,

you made Tom look even slimmer than he is, and you made me much bigger than I am. Tom's about 160 right now. He looked great, and it was so much fun. He did look great, especially without the glasses. It was so much fun doing the show with him. And he's going to do it with me every Tuesday and Thursday. If you missed the show with Tommy yesterday, go back and listen to it. That's the great thing about these podcasts, is you can listen to all of these shows over and over and over again.

And you know what? When you do, subscribe and rate it as highly as you can. Give it and tell five friends. Tell, no, tell ten friends. Ten friends. Yeah, let's build a multi-level marketing scheme here for the Kevin Sheehan Show podcast. Lots to get to today, including John Kime from ESPN.com and Jeff Irman, who covers the Terps for 24-7 sports. I want to get into the Maryland situation because I think everything's gone dark here recently on the Maryland situation with DJ Durkin and with the AD and with the school president.

And in the meantime, here's the football team with Matt Canada as the head coach with two impressive wins to start the season and really looking at a legitimate possibility to go 4-0 before they head to the Big House. in October to face Michigan in what could be a game between two ranked teams. Yes, I said that. It's possible. John Kine will join us as well, and I want to get his reaction of the team to Alex Smith so far and the depth of the playbook used by Jay Gruden on Sunday in Arizona. There was a lot that was new, some of it not new, but he used a ton of it, and I loved what they did in the running game in particular.

So Kime's going to join us as well. Plus, I have a bold prediction about the Redskins season coming up shortly. I did want to read two other emails because I think this is interesting. And Kooley and I got this. Tommy and I got this before because it's Redskinned fans primarily. I'll ask you the question here in a moment, but this was another email. And this came from Thad in Australia.

Big Redskin fan here down under Thad writes. would love to help you with the logo. Branding in the podcast world is important. This email from Dan in the UK, so glad you're doing a podcast. I miss you on 980, but this is just as good for me because I listen to you on a podcast anyway. Good job on Twitter promoting the availability of the podcast. If you allow me, I'd like to present you with an overall social media marketing plan. I work with over a dozen podcast content providers and can send you my resume. You told me. Two things.

The Redskins fan base, no matter what you people who are very cynical about the team with good reason to be cynical about the team, no matter what you think, there are millions of Redskins fans and 70% of them reside outside of the District of Maryland and Virginia. That was a surprise to me. I never knew that. Cooley shared that with me a few years ago. that of the four to five million what they call redskin fans or redskin nation, 70% of them live outside of the area. Wow. That's astonishing.

I would have never thought it, but this being a transient area, although I hate that description because there are a lot of us that are born and raised Washingtonians, a lot of us. And, well, and you, I mean, you were, I've been here for like 30 years, that's, that's, that's, That's born and raised almost. But it helps when you do a podcast, I guess, that you have a fan base for a particular team in your town that is really international now in terms of where people reside. By the way, I am aware that the logo needs work and that the social media marketing plan isn't quite there. So all the suggestions you want to provide to me, especially those that are really good and free. Free is good.

I'll take them, and I'm very appreciative of all of those suggestions. Anyway, all right. So I want to get to a couple of things regarding the Nats because they swept the doubleheader in Philadelphia yesterday. Juan Soto, two home runs in the nightcap, including the game winner in the 10th. As an aside in that nightcap, I don't know if Tony mentioned this, Bryce Harper 0 for 5 with four strikeouts. He did not mention that.

And you put that side by side for comparison. Harrison purpose is with Soto, who went three for four with two home runs and four RBIs. It is one of the reasons a lot of people think the Nats will not even really be aggressive in trying to keep Bryce Harper here. The Nats sends Strasbourg out tonight in the series finale against Philadelphia. They've got the makeup game with the Cubs tomorrow, and then they get the Braves over the weekend. They are eight games out right now. I know it's not going to happen, but they could make it interesting. here over the next few days if they play well.

Theoretically, they control their ability, not theoretically, actuality, all right, mathematically. They control their ability to at least get within five games of Atlanta by the end of the weekend. All right, if they go into Atlanta, still eight back and win three, hold on eight minus three is five back. And they are already just a game and a half behind Philadelphia. if they take Philly tonight, they're only a half game behind the Phillies for second. I also want to mention that after Atlanta, the Nats play nine games against the Marlins and the Mets.

I know the Mets have played better recently, but they're facing a pretty good stretch of schedule with the Marlins and the Mets over a nine-game stretch, while Atlanta faces the Cardinals for three games, and they have seven against the Phillies. and they play the Mets in Queens, and the Mets are playing a little better. It's a massive long shot. I don't know what the odds are. I should look that up here.

Aaron, go to sportsbook.com. That's the quickest because they've got the futures. You can find the futures right there and see what the Nats are to win the division right now. I would guess that they are every bit of 50 to 1. 8back with the schedule. It might be less than 5.5. 50 to 1. But it's in off the board almost long shot. It'll probably be on the board.

But they could make it interesting if they could run off a few more in a row, including the weekend in Atlanta. A bold prediction about the Redskins season coming up right after I tell you about Wind Donation. Kevin Sheehan here for Wind Donation. It's back to school time. And to help you get educated about Wind Donation, they're offering instruction on supply and demand. Beat the fall rush. Wind Donation has extra capacity now. So lock in, with the lowest pricing before the demand goes up. With Window Nations back to school sale, you get one free window for every window.

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That's 86690 Nation or windonation.com. Tell them Kevin Sheehan sent you. John Kimes coming up shortly. Also, Jeff Irman, to talk about the Maryland situation. He'll be joining us as well. I have a bold prediction on the Redskins coming up in about a minute or a minute and a half. Somewhere around there. It depends on how quickly I get through this next thought. I was reading yesterday some of the updated NFL power rankings after week one. And I will do my first NFL power poll tomorrow on tomorrow's show where Scott Van Pelt will make his first appearance. How about that? And real quickly, Mike Shanahan will be a guest of ours on Friday.

Talk to Mike yesterday. He's excited about the podcast. He said, I'll come on whenever you want. So we're going to do Mike on Friday. Did I hear somewhere that Warren Buffett was also going to be on with you? Yeah, Warren Buffett and then Gates next week. Oh, that's next week. Right.

Look, week one very often is a major head fake. Not always, though. Last year, Philadelphia, Jacksonville, and the Rams, none of those teams thought before the season last year in 2017 to be playoff teams, open their seasons with games that would be harbingers of things to come. The Eagles came here, looked impressive, beat the skins 30 to 17. The Jags were 3 and 13 in 2016 and opened up with a dominating win over Tennessee, 29 to 7. And the Rams, who were 4 and 12, year before, they destroyed in Sean McVeigh's first game a year ago, the Colts, 46 to 9. Those three teams were the biggest surprises of the NFL season last year.

Teams in Jacksonville and the Rams no one saw coming. A few people thought the Eagles would be improved, but not Super Bowl improved. They were seven and nine the year before. Interestingly, after looking so impressive winning week one games last year for those three teams, they all lost their week two games. Anyway, I don't know for sure if what we saw Sunday in Arizona was a harbinger of things to come. It usually isn't. It was last year with the three biggest surprise teams of the NFL.

But you'd be crazy not to say that the Redskins weren't impressive in that opener. You don't know what'll happen, and I don't know what will happen. I have a bold prediction, a somewhat bold prediction, coming up here shortly. You know, there's always what happened last year. The season did start off, you know, start off promisingly. They lost the Eagles, then won games against the Rams, who ended up being a very good team in the Raiders to start 2 and 1,

and then they went to Arrowhead with that big game and lost Monday night at Arrowhead. Then the injuries completely derailed the season. But what is clear and what was clear coming into this season is the skins have a roster that should and looks better than any roster they've had in a while. You know, they have a chance of pulling off one of those seasons where maybe they're this surprise team. By the way, if they beat Indy on Sunday, it'll be their first 2-0 start since 2011

when Rex Grossman led the skins to wins over the Giants and the Cardinals. And right now, the skins are six-point favorites over Andrew Luck and the Colts. That is, let me get back to what started this conversation. not only is Vegas starting to buy in a little after one game, but all of the so-called expert NFL sites are turning bullish early on the Redskins after one week. ESPN.com has the skins up to 14 on their weekly power rankings list. Still the eighth best team in the NFC, the NFC is loaded, but 14th, top half of the league, they moved up five spots from 19th in that power ranking poll.

NFL.com had the Redskins as their biggest upward trender. They moved up nine spots from their preseason ranking of 26th out of 32 teams, and now they're up to 17th. Now, the Jets and Bucks also moved up nine spots after their wins. And look, they'll drop like a rock if they lose to Indianapolis at home on Sunday. But I think those that cover the league are starting to realize that the Redskins don't stink. They actually have talent. and the likes of Thompson and Reed and Peterson to go with a veteran winner like Alex Smith

that they're worth keeping an early eye on for now. I don't really care what others say. I'm just bringing it up for context and perspective that people are starting to get a sense of what we as Redskinned fans or some of us have had about their roster being much better than most people think, a bit underrated. the NFL we know changes more than any other sport, any other league. What you see one week can be totally the opposite the next. The Patriots haven't fit into that narrative, but that's what makes them the Patriots.

They've been immune for 17 seasons to the back and forth sort of success followed by failure that the NFL has become with almost every other team. The Rams are 4 and 12 one year, and then they win the division next, and then their Super Bowl contenders this year, and then next year watch, they'll be six and ten. And that's sort of the NFL. It's impossible to really understand. It's week to week.

But I'm going to go out on a limb right now when it comes to the Washington Redskins. This is a post-week-one prediction that I just have a strong hunch about. The team in the AFC, and I mentioned this last Friday before the season started, I have a really strong hunch about the Baltimore Ravens. I think the Ravens are going to be an,

11-plus-win team this year and contend for the Super Bowl. That was, you know, not a lot of people had the Ravens as a playoff team, and they opened up with Nathan Peterman, all right, and the bills, and they crushed them 47 to 3. I feel a little bit the same way about the Redskins, not necessarily 11 wins or 10 wins. This is the bold prediction. The bold prediction is this.

I think it's bold. It's somewhat bold. It's not, you know, it's not way out there on a lot. limb. This is going to be a meaningful December season for the Redskins. That's the prediction. What does meaningful December mean? It means that when we get to December and they've played 11 games with five to go, they're going to be in the hunt for a playoff berth. The division will be in play. A wild card will be in play. There'll be no worse than six and five heading into a stretch where they face the Eagles, Giants, Jags, Titans, and Eagles to close the season.

That's a tough closing stretch right now, who knows what it will be by the time the Redskins get there. But meaningful Decembers, they've been far from a guarantee around these parts. Over the last 10 seasons, just four of them have there been meaningful games in December. The 2008 season, which was Jim Zorn's first, they were actually, after that six and two start, They were actually in the hunt when they got to December, even though they were trending downward. 2012 was the RG3-7-game run, and they had meaningful games in September and December. 2015 was the late-season four-game winning streak with Kirk Cousins at the helm to win the division.

And 2016, they were in the hunt for a playoff spot, losing to the Giants at home in a pitiful game on January 1, 2017, to get knocked out of the playoffs. So meaningful Decembers are not very common around here, four out of the last 10, but when we get to this December, the Redskins, and this is the somewhat bold prediction, are going to be playing games that matter. Injuries held the number one impediment to this, obviously.

If what happened last year were to happen this year, forget about it. But I do like the roster. I liked the urgency they played with on Sunday. Thompson and Reed and Trent Williams. They have three players on offense that you can reasonably debate as top three players at their position in the entire league. Jordan Reed is a top three pass catching tight end in this league when he plays and he's healthy. Chris Thompson is a top three third down back. And by the way, he's more than that for this team in the league.

And Trent Williams, you could debate and argue is a top three left. tackle in this league. The quarterback is good enough to manage this thing, good enough to win with, and maybe more than that in the Jay Gruden scheme. The defense is talented, it's deeper. I like their secondary. I've heard a lot of moaning and concern and angst over their secondary. I like Dunbar. I've always liked Dunbar, and he played so well in the opener. Norman's got to have a big year, a bounce back year, but I like their safeties. I loved Sweringer last. I loved Swerinjur year. And Nicholson, to me, looks like a potential star in the making. The coaching staff as a whole is fine. The head coach needs to become more of an asset than a liability in a lot

of these games. That's a big thing with them. Jay Gruden is a terrific pass offense designer. He is in the middle of the pack when it comes to being a head coach. But this is a 500 or better roster. The schedule right now looks daunting, but you know how schedules go. They change. You don't know right now if Tampa might not be the surprise team in the NFL, and that game looked like a W a week ago, and now that's going to be a tough game. A Green Bay gets here into a week from Sunday. Will Aaron Rogers still be on one leg? It feels like a decent start opportunity after they won Sunday. Sunday's huge. You've got to get to 2-0. It would be nice to see them 2-0. But I, In netting it out, I don't see why this team can't win six or seven games by their first December game in Philadelphia on Monday night, December 3rd. I could see that being an 8 and 3 Philadelphia team against a 7 and 4, worst case, 6 and 5 Redskins team, with the skins in the hunt in December. That's the somewhat bold prediction. I'll regret it, I'm sure. But there was something about this roster before the season that I liked, and Sunday was a good Sunday.

It can be a head fake. It wasn't last year with three surprise teams, the Rams, the Jags, and the Eagles. The urgency, though, Sunday, the talent on display Sunday, they don't suck. This is what you can say about this team. They don't stink. This is a better team than most think.

And of course, it could come off the tracks because of injuries or because of just the organizational dysfunction that always seems to seep in to a season to disrupt it. but I'm, I'm optimistic. I'm cautiously optimistic, but if they don't get derailed by injuries or something in Ashburn, this is going to be a team that when we get to December is in the hunt for something. All right, let's bring in John Kime from ESPN.com,

my good friend, who I, over the last month, have missed talking to, you know, at least once a week or once every 10 days. I didn't even get to see training camp, was down there for the very first day, John, of training camp. And then hardly saw, honestly, for the first time in 20 years, barely watched any of the preseason games other than, you know, the first drive or two. But when we got to Sunday and before Sunday,

I really felt like going into this season that this roster, and you and I've talked about this over the last year, you know, was a decent roster that if it stayed healthy, they were going to have a chance this year to be a competitive team. Did anything surprise you Sunday? The result may have surprised you in terms of how dominant it was, but specifically did anything surprise you during the Redskins win in Arizona? Well, first of all, it's good to talk to you again.

I've missed it as well, so this is fun for me too. The couple of things that I think I was surprised at how well they ran the ball, not that they ran it well, but how well they did. and I'm sure we'll get into that later about the style of the run game. That may be surprised me a little bit. I think how well they also defended the past. Now, it's hard to know where Arizona's passing game is at right now and where this defense is really at.

But what I was impressed by was some of the communication in the secondary because that was a little bit of concern going into it. They're very young, and some of the young guys handled that well. And so that surprised me a little bit. You know, and I think, like you said, the dominance of the game surprised me, too. But when you look at why they were dominant, it's like, well, in the end, it's like, well, yeah, you can understand it. But going into it, I thought they would win. I did not think it would be such an easy win.

All right. You and I talked a little bit earlier off the air about the dynamic running game that we saw, not just talent-wise with Adrian Peterson and Chris Thompson back healthy, but the style and the playbook. Speak to what Jay Gruden did with sort of going deep into the playbook from a creative standpoint and whether or not this is going to be something we see all year long. It will be because they ran a lot of those RPO's. And I know that's like the fancy term that everybody's going to learn about

and has learned about since last year with the Eagles. And it really goes back to Chip Kelly. and teams have run a lot of that stuff. It's just used to be at the line of scrimmage. You go up to the line with the run-pass option, and then you call something, and that's what you're running. So it's essentially the same thing, but now you're doing it on the fly,

so you're trying to get somebody to commit on the fly, and then you take advantage. And so that's what they were doing a lot of Sunday, and that goes back to Alex Smith and what he can handle. They threw a lot at him in camp, early in camp, in terms of installation and the entire playbook, and they wanted to see what he was. he could handle. And it's clear that he could handle a lot because I felt like they did go

deeper in terms of the number of formations they used, et cetera. And I think what jumped out to me, and I told you this earlier too, that was as much, I enjoyed going back and watching the film as much as I did when it was 2012 with Griffin and the zone read was so new. Because what it's fun is to see how a team puts another, it puts a defense on a stress or creates numbers for themselves. And that's what they're able to do with that RPO. And there were a couple times, like, for example, Adrian Peterson had a 17-yard run.

And on that play, first of all, in his history, he doesn't run well out of the gun, right? So somebody even asked why is you running better out of the gun? Because of the style of the offense. And here there's a play in the third quarter, I think it was, 17 yards. Well, they fake a bubble screen. They have, excuse me, they have Paul Richardson running a bubble to the right. So you've got two receivers of the right, running the bubble.

that free and then you know so that freezes that automatically freezes three or four guys on that side then they run the rPO but they're making it also look like it could be a zone lead with Alex Smith that freezes two more guys so now you have five guys essentially out of the play taken care of by three or four offensive players creates numbers on the other side peterson's untouched for like eight or ten yards so that's what they're able to do because of Now, Arizona didn't know what to really expect from them. Now teams do, so now how do they adjust? But that was some of the style of the run game.

So they could run some power with Peterson up the middle, some RPO's with those guys, speed option with him and Chris Thompson. The RPO with Chris Thompson. They were able to do a lot of different things. And for the first time in a long time, you felt like it was a creative run game, and they created holes because of it. So I would ask you this, because, you know, as I'm watching the game, and I talked about it here on Monday's show.

We saw wrinkles. We saw action. We saw speed option. We saw read option. We saw RPO. It's not like we haven't seen that before with Jay Gruden and Callahan's run scheme. And Kirk was capable of running a lot of that as well. But it was always, we would always be here on a Monday and say they didn't do enough of it.

They didn't present their quarterback as a run threat often enough. Now, Alex Smith is a more. more dynamic runner and a more mobile quarterback than Kirk was. But there wasn't enough consistency with the wrinkles to the run game. And John, you're in Arizona. In Sunday, I'm watching the entire league all day long and all the 4 o'clock games, including the Redskins. Read option is more prevalent than it's ever been,

because everybody understands what it does to a defense. But what was the change for Jay Gruden? Was it quarterback driven? Or did he just realize we don't have a dynamic? running game. Go ahead. I think it was as much quarterback-driven because this is what Smith is. They did not run this many RPO's in the past. In fact, Chris Thompson told me they didn't run any.

Now, I know they did. Yeah, they did. They did because there were a couple times, they even asked Jay about it last year, and it may have been after Thompson was out or wasn't involved in there or whatever, but they did not run it to this degree, not even close. And there were also times, Kevin, the past, and even this year, where there were plays that looked like RPO's that were not RPO's. They're just designed that way to, again, cause that hesitation.

You don't have the safety. All these guys aren't looking at what the backside blockers are doing or what, you know, all this. They'll look at their keys. So if they see the action of the play with the quarterback, they're going to hesitate, even if it's just a basic play action designed to look like an RPO. But I do think, I do believe it's a lot of it is driven by what Alex Smith can handle. And that's not a knock on Kirk Cousins.

This is just a guy who did it in college in Smith, did it in Kansas City, so he was experiencing it. Now, I believe, I'm guessing they probably would have done more of it with Kirk as he was developing in this offense, maybe. But this is something Smith is good at. And then, because even with the RPO's, you don't need the quarterback to be a run threat. Nick Foles ran it well without being a run threat.

But when you have a guy who can be a run threat, then you can make it also look like a zone read, right? So that's why I say, like, some of those run-pass options, it almost looks like you have two run options, whether or not he's going to keep the ball, the defense has to respect that. So you're freezing with the bubble screen to the right. You're freezing with the zone read to the right,

and you're hitting him back with the run to Peterson on the left. So I think all those elements add up to why to do it. And you also notice, too, more of the jet action, more of the end-round action by Richardson. And, you know, that also is going to, now that's getting into a bubble look or whatever, but that was, I thought they did that more. And that's something that, like we saw Sean McVay, do that a lot with the Rams, too. And I love that.

I think that's highly effective. And so I think there, you know, I think some of it could be that they want to add more dynamic plays to the run game and they had to do something different. But I do think it's a lot of it is quarterback driven. And again, that's not to knock cousins. It's just that this is something Smith does well, so why not do it? So let me just make one observation based on what you said, because I did watch the Minnesota-San Francisco game.

I thought Minnesota's offense under DiFilippo, new offensive coordinator, new quarterback, was very bland. In watching Cousins operate the Minnesota offense, or a couple of things about that game, it was bland. There wasn't a lot of dynamic sort of. of, it was very traditional for the lack of a better description. And by the way, they took their foot off the pedal in the second half. So, you know, perhaps coaches are realizing Kirk's good at doing this kind of stuff and not the other stuff. I don't know. When they

ran read option with Kirk in the past, you know, it worked a lot, but maybe some of the RPO stuff didn't. The other observation, John, from real, real quickly about watching the league, what I, what I noticed in Arizona was one of the top rush defenses in the NFL last year. year. Right? I think they were a top three, top five rush defense. Yeah, they were very good. In watching a lot of the other games on Sunday, I didn't see as much RPO as I thought I would see. And I think that one of the reasons is, is that if you're not playing the run hard, an offense won't go to a lot of the RPO stuff because it won't be as effective. So it's really going to be more effective against really good rush.

defenses that are packing the box, you know, with eight guys. I'm sorry, go ahead. And even remember back in like 2012, the Zone Reed wasn't an option. It wasn't a big deal every week either. Right. There were some teams like when they would face a three, four defense like the Steelers, they didn't use it all that much because you had athletic outside linebackers who could, who could take care of that with their athleticism.

So you could handle, they could handle one guy could kind of take two. It's like in a really effective zone. defense and basketball. So there were some defenses that would not work against, and they ran it very little. And then there were some offenses, or excuse me, some ds where you knew all game, they're going to use it a lot in that game. And I think this is how this will be as well. And I also think the other thing is you're going to have to throw off that as well. And your receivers are going to have to show that they can win to the inside because that's where those passes typically go. Now, the Eagles would throw some of the outside routes

out of their RPO's. So that kind of mixed it up a little bit, and then it gives you the ability to, you know, at least holds the corner to not know maybe where you're going to go. And so if they graduate to that, can they? Because, like you said, if you don't win to the inside,

if you're facing a team that plays really good man coverage and you're not beating them to the inside, the RPO is not going to work because they're going to take away that pass with a couple guys, and now they're going to focus on the run. So, you know, we'll see if it works every week, but I do think it adds a wrinkle that will be effective in a lot of games. And, you know, so. The rules really dictate that an RPO pass option has to be a quick throw, whether it's a quick slant or a quick bubble or a quick wide receiver screen, because if not, you've got linemen down the field.

So it has to, by default, be all of your RPO plays, and we've seen it in college for years, they are quick decision, quick throws, if not you've got linemen that are leaking down field. I want to go to Alex Smith. You know, there's just, in listening to Jay Gruden and listening to his teammates with just over-the-top praise for the last few weeks and after the opener, I just want to cut to the chase here. Are they basically just saying Alex Smith is just a much better leader and a much better guy to have around than Kirk Cousins? Yeah, I think so. To put a blunt, and it doesn't make Cousins a bad guy or a bad leader.

I just think that they feel like this guy is a better leader and a better fit for them in the locker room. I think there was sometimes – I think your old partner, Chris Cooley, talked about this in a thing at nfl.com article just how you know maybe some guys into like they got to know kirk as well as they maybe needed to and

you know I always found Kirk to be very professional and easy to deal with so you know it wasn't like the media were his best friends he was just respectful and professional I think Alex Smith's the same way but but I think in that locker

room you'll hear that you know maybe Smith is more, quote, unquote, one of the guys. And in there, kind of mixing it up a little bit more and doing things a little bit more. And he's a lot more like a bigger version of Colt McCoy. And McCoy has always been popular in that locker room. So I do think that they are saying that. And, you know, he's at a deeper point in his career. Maybe I don't know how he was.

I've always heard good things about him in the locker room, meaning Smith, but I don't know, maybe he's just at a stronger point in his career to be that kind of guy. I don't know, because I don't know him from when he was 28, 29 years old. I just know at 34 this is how they feel about him, and he's a guy who's at experience, he's had success, and so I think they do like having him. Now, the key is if things start to go a little bit awry, how do they handle that? You know, what do they think? Is it the same? And I think the other thing that, one thing that Smith has going for him,

in terms of all the leadership stuff, he can relate to pretty much anybody in that locker. He was a high pick, so you got guys who are higher picks, and, you know, he can relate to what that feeling is like. He's had failure. He's had success.

He's been traded. He's been bent. He's been hurt. There's nothing he hasn't gone through that can't help him relate. So I think that probably all helps too. Whereas Kirk's experience here was a little bit different. I think the whole Robert saga,

whether or not, I don't know how that maybe changed. things for him of what he went through, but I do know just in terms of being a guy in the locker room, I think Smith has been more accepted, yeah. You know, I know this sounds defensive from somebody who is a big Kirk Cousins fan, but it helps a lot when the organization has endorsed you, has said, you are the guy, not only because we traded for you, but because we gave you this massive contract extension. And it's more, it's a more comfortable, it's just a more comfortable

setting for Alex Smith, perhaps, and it was for Kirk Cousins here. I would agree with that. Clearly, the organization invested in Alex Smith, and they want him and need him to work because of what they moved on from. And if Cousins goes and excels in Minnesota and Smith struggles here, well, then obviously people would say, oh, you should have done this. But, you know, I think, and listen, we both know it wasn't going to happen. So it wasn't truly an option.

It was more a few years ago. Could they have done something? So I do think that that probably helps. But I also think like being a leader, and I felt like this too with Kirk. And I think Kirk did a good job here. And you looked at like the last couple of years, there was a lot on his shoulders. If he doesn't succeed, they don't win. You know, very few games could you go back and look and say, well, he was terrible, but they won.

They couldn't win if he didn't succeed. succeed, right, if he didn't have a good game. So you can't, we can't rewrite history. And the other thing we both know is if Kirk Cousins had accepted the same deal that they gave Alex Smith, he would be here. You know, that was there for him. And he didn't, so in other words, as far as all this stuff were hearing and people are saying, you can't lose sight of that as well. You know, so, you know what mean? And so I don't, you can't, you can't lose sight. You can't lose sight of, I don't want, I don't want, I don't want to just be part of this. I don't want a narrative just to be that, well, he was horrible, glad he's gone because they would have kept him at this price point, which is where they're

comfortable. But as far as the whole leadership thing, I do believe, though, like there were guys like Will Compton who wasn't on this huge contract, who was considered a very good leader. I think some of that is natural. And I think some of that maybe at the quarterback position, it's different. I don't know. I never played that in the NFL. I don't know what that's like. Maybe, though, like if, you know, because there's more scrutiny there. was sitting there wondering, why haven't they invested in a guy like Will Compton or even Mason Foster, who doesn't have a big deal, but he is a captain? Why didn't they do that for them?

But quarterback is just different. And everybody looks at the quarterback, and his situation was so written about the sected, talked about that it becomes a bigger deal in the locker room. And I think that's one of the reasons why I thought last year or two years ago they should have traded him to avoid all that. that. Of course. Of course. The contract situation did not help anybody in this matter. Look, I mean, we're not going to go down this path for more than 10 more seconds, but the bottom line is, with those that believe that it was somehow his decision, Minnesota gave him

$30 million more eight months after the Redskins offered him $30 million less. It's not very hard to find out why Kirk Cousins isn't here anymore. That adds up in your favor, man. So I wanted to ask you about Adrian Peterson, how we saw the performance. You know, we'll find out here over the next few weeks if it's sustainable. But how is he fitting in on this team personality-wise? Seems to be okay. I mean, I think it's a little bit early and right now everything's going to be okay because it's so new still.

And I think there are a lot of guys like, you know, it's Adrian Peterson. but you do hear like the running backs do kind of look up to him because of what he's accomplished and what he's meant to them or meant to the league and maybe to them as just fans of the league before they got into it. So I think there's some things that, you know, you hear stuff about things that he can help them on and things that like, you know, he can pick up from a guy like Chris Thompson as far as in the past game because he will be have to, he does have some of those responsibilities.

So it seems to be pretty good. And I think it's also clear. Here's the other thing, Kevin. That's a good running backs room as far as the guys who are in there. With a good coach. And with a really good coach. And so Chris Thompson is as professional as they come. Right.

And whether or not he feels a certain way, first of all, he's still going to get his touches. They want him to get 12 to 15 touches because you see the other day that he's still fast and explosive and can take one on any play. And so, you know, his role isn't affected. Rob Kelly's role was affected. But Rob Kelly has been, you know, I'm sure. I'm sure these guys are competitors. There's no doubt in my mind that a guy like Rob Kelly sitting there saying, hey, I look better in camp.

I could have gone and done this. But you also know it's Adrian Peterson. And so I think there's like probably dual emotions there for a guy like him. But that's a really good room. And they've always gotten along very well and taking the approach said, well, if I'm not doing it and this guy is, then, hey, that's okay, because they got along very well. So I think it helps that he's in a good running back room on this team. What's great about this podcast thing is I can go on and on and on with you forever.

And so we've already, but I've already taken up too much of your time, but I'm going to be calling you, I'm going to be calling you often, if you don't mind. I've always enjoyed the conversations, you know, during football season and even afterwards. And, you know, Obviously, follow John. He covers the team for ESPN.com. Thanks so much for your time. I'll call you soon. Hopefully see you soon.

Thanks, Kevin. Good talking to you again. Love talking to John Kime. Always good to have John on the show. Nobody does a better job covering the team than John does. Windonation is our presenting sponsor of the Kevin Sheehan Show podcast. Thanks to Harley, Aaron, and the whole gang there. We bring in Jeff Irman.

Jeff covers Maryland sports better than anybody does. 247 Sports.com, 247 Sports.com. And your podcast is IMS Radio, right? So people can listen to your podcast on IMS Radio. You and I have a bunch to talk about here. And I want to get to the whole situation regarding the fallout from Jordan McNair's death here momentarily. But I do want to start with the first two games of this football season

and how impressive they have looked. And I know they looked impressive last year in Austin and the opener and then all of the injuries sort of derailed the season. But did you think that we would see a team that looked as impressive in these first two games with so much obvious, Jeff, talent and team speed? Yeah, I mean, from everything I'd heard during that time from when the controversy exploded until the season opener was that the guys had banded to together and still were energetic and not really distracted and were motivated more so by honoring Jordan McNair's memory than anything else. And I did feel like the talent level was a lot higher than people realized. But with that said, you know, I had a feeling it would be tough to be Texas.

I thought they'd give them a game. I picked Texas to win that one. So that was a little bit of a surprise. And then to show, you know, that mental fortitude last week after last afternoon. after coming out and laying an egg in the first half and then just dominating like good teams do against bad teams, even though a lot of times that doesn't happen, it showed a lot. So, you know, you can't say enough about the job the players have done. And obviously Matt Canada as an interim head coach.

I mean, last week, you know, you had the penalties which really slowed him down on the road, you know, in wet weather at a team that's actually been pretty decent in recent years and came in here and beat Maryland. a few years back. But that second half performance in the way they ran the ball and with a healthy offensive line, Jeff, and a decent offensive line with speed and playmakers, what's their upside? Like, I mean, we're all adjusting it now after these first two games and looking at a terrible temple team coming into College Park for the, you know, for the real home opener on Saturday. Where are your expectations now? Reasonably what are you expecting? now of this season and this team. I will say if you took the over on the Vegas total wins of four during the preseason,

it looks good. It looks good now. The only thing really limiting them, in my opinion, is the schedule, as always, which is life in the Big Ten East, you know, that you always have to, no matter what you do, no matter how excited you start to get, then you remember Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State. Otherwise, you know, you look at Temple, obviously, that's a win barring some sort of epic collapse. Minnesota comes in the following week. They've got a true freshman who's a walk-on

starting a quarterback. They just lost their star running back. So Maryland should be favored, fairly healthy favorite in that one. And then it gets tougher, obviously, Michigan, but then, you know, you still have Rutgers in Indiana on the schedule. So, you know, I think at this point, six wins, I don't want to call it a guarantee because then everybody who yell at me for jinxing it, but I think you've got to be looking for seven wins at least at this you know, and it's just a matter of whether you can pull off one of those upsets against one of those four-ranked teams. Michigan State's not exactly looking like a powerhouse so far themselves. Yeah, you didn't mention Illinois. I mean, they may be slightly improved, but they get them at home. It would be, it would actually be really interesting to see them win the next two weeks where they will be healthy favorites. I agree with you going to the big house on October 6th as a four-and-o team that would be at that point close to being ranked potentially. They'd have to be ranked, I would think, by then, which would be their first time in several years under Randy Heselt.

I don't know if you want to be ranked, given the precedent he said they were ranked that one time. And we know what happened next. That's 63-0 lost at Florida State. Never got back into the rankings after that. Who's been the most impressive player defensively? That's a good question. Antoine Brooks has been really good. He just, he's a guy, you wonder what he's going to do NFL-wise if he's good enough.

in coverage to play defensive back because that's his weakness or if he's big enough to be a lineback but he is just a player he's playing at all conference level he's always around the ball darnel savage has been really good you know he's a guy who's starting to look like a probably top four round draft pick and then the defensive ends jessie anibonum and bairn coward have both helped what was you know one of the worst pass rushes in the big ten last year so this is this is the best defense i think they've had in in a while Yeah, I thought Anna Bonham's loss in the opener last year against Texas, who was one of the more underrated losses for the season.

Obviously, they weren't going to overcome, you know, losing all the quarterbacks they lost. But he's a legit pass rusher and a havoc wreaker defensively. Back to the quarterback position here for a moment or just introducing the topic. Kasim Hills looked great. Statistically, he wasn't that great against Bowling Green. I'm a little bit surprised that Piggy hasn't gotten as much. many snaps as I thought he would. I thought they would be more split or that he would get more possessions.

Have you been surprised by that? No, I haven't. You know, I feel like it's hard to win and be consistent with that two-quarterback system. We actually were talking about this on our podcast, a little bit of a disagreement because I'm not totally against the two-quarterback system, but it's just hard to recall a lot of teams that have really thrived or won championships with something like that. Piggy comes in the game. You have a pretty good idea that he's going to run, or at least that he's not airing it out. So I haven't been surprised. I actually thought they'd come into the season and just

pretty much let Kasim run the show. I still think that's possible come Big Ten play, but obviously you don't, you know, it's hard when you've got a guy's dynamic as Piggy. And also I'm sure there's some thought to, you know, wanting to give him a chance so he doesn't leave. But at the same time, I can see him Hild is a year younger, so he's presumably the starter for the next two years at least. We're talking to Jeff Irman covers the Terps 24-7 Sports.com. Let's get to the situation at Maryland because I sort of feel like the story's gone dark a little bit here over the last few weeks. There haven't been significant updates to the story other than if you're really following it closely like you are, like I am to a certain degree. You know that or have a sense that maybe the tide is turning back towards DJ Durkin staying because I think people, more people support him and don't endorse this idea of a toxic culture that was written about a few weeks ago.

But just give us an overall update on where things stand with first the coaching staff and the head coach in particular and then the AD and school president. So there are two parallel investigations taking place, the first of which is the medical one that was already taking place before all this controversy started, which is due to actually be complete according to the university's timeline that they offered a while back at the end of this week. I assume, I mean, that one by now, I'm sure, is pretty much wrapped up. So that will tell us presumably more about what happened that day, who was the last. liable, you know, maybe DJ Durkin's involvement or lack of involvement on that day. And then you have the other investigation being run by a panel into the culture, you know, addressing those ESPN allegations of a toxic culture at Maryland. That one, from what I've been told about a week ago, they'd pretty much finished up talking

to team, you know, players and coaches and people around the program and moved on to looking more around the athletic department in general, which, you know, in terms of your question about Lowe and Damon Evans, that's an interesting aspect for them because originally they were going to run this investigation and then the Board of Regents came in and said, okay, you know, enough of this, we're taking over and now, you know, you're just on the sideline. So what I've been told is they, even at that level of Lowe and Damon Evans, they really don't know what's going on with the investigation and what the plan is with the plan. DJ Durkin. You are correct that the investigation by all accounts has not turned up this

toxic culture, which I don't think anybody close to the program is surprised by. I felt like those charges and that story was a little bit, was kind of pre-fabricated and just built to fit the narrative, not to use the cliche of our time, but built to fit that narrative. because you didn't hear things like that about DJ Durkin. You didn't see players transferring out, you know, and that that wasn't who he is by anyone's accounting. So, you know, I don't think if they found anything really about a toxic culture, but then, you know, the big question after that still is,

can you bring him back, given, you know, everything that's happened with a player dying, you know, rightfully or not, people are still going. to connect that Jordan McNair's death and that report about his program. People who don't follow it as closely as you and me still say Maryland killed a player and they're bringing their coach back. How will he be able to recruit with that hanging over his head with parents who see that image? So it's a really tough situation, one that a lot of people are unhappy with Wallace Lowe, both for how he handled at the beginning with not addressing what had happened until the

SPN report came out and then going to the extreme in the other direction and suspending DJ Durkan as soon as that report came out. Now, once you suspended him, it's hard to walk that back. So long story short, I would not want to be the one making this decision. All right. I want to get your predictions on the fate of all three of them, but a couple of things as it relates to Durkan. Actually, before I get to that, is it fair to say now pretty comfortably that there was negligence during that moment where Jordan McNair was, you know, was in the process of basically in distress and there was no tending to him. Have we learned enough to know that in that particular moment there was gross negligence

on the part of Maryland football, call it coaching staff, trainers, doctors, whomever? All we know about that is what Wallace Lowe said in that press conference, which was that the staff, the medical staff failed to recognize heat stroke and provide pretty basic, obvious treatment for it. Otherwise, nothing's been said. You know, it seems like it'd be a pretty major surprise if this report came out and said anything otherwise, but that's all we know. You know, no one has come out and said whether Durkan was involved, where he was when

this happened and things like that. Obviously, there was a part of ESPN report that had West Robinson, his football trainer, yelling at McNair, yelling at teammates to drag his ass across the field. So that's another element. So really, that's all we know until this report comes out, but it should be in the next few days. What about the story that came out initially that sort of pinned Kevin Anderson as a guy that called this attorney, tried to hire an attorney for two players accused of sexual assault? And then the story was updated and it was reported that it was actually Durkin who called that attorney. How much does that hurt him if that's true? I think that's really on the periphery of all this stuff.

You know, I feel like that story was, it looked a little suspicious in how it came out just randomly. So far after the fact, nobody was asking about it. It wasn't relevant to anything that was going on. And so, you know, if you are into fairly believable conspiracy theories, you might think that it was put out there by Lowe or Evans for some purpose of maybe making themselves look better or maybe in retaliation for Anderson, you know, leaking one of these other stories about them. And then the actual attorney who was hired, I don't know if he saw, he came out when he said he was Durkan who hired him. He also said that the athletic department is a dysfunctional viper pit wherever. Every employee is walking around with a dagger waiting to stick it in someone else's back. So basically he was implying that it had been planted by one of the other two.

So long story short, again, I don't think that that's even going to be a factor in all this. All right. Let me get your predictions. Does DJ Durkin survive? Is he the Maryland football coach at some point this year? My predictions, no. I don't think you can walk this back, even given the fact that it seems very likely. that these allegations are overstated, if not untrue, altogether.

It's just from a PR angle, I think, as, you know, Maryland's probably going to have to handle it like a corporation. You know, a lot of people are saying you need to be fair to DJ Durkin and give it. Well, there's some truth to that. On the other hand, you know, a corporation, if your CEO has some sort of major falling out, you still have to look out for your stakeholders and your future more so than, one employee. So if that means paying him the nearly six million that he's owed, if he's fired without cause, then that might be what they have to do. And, you know, it's possible. Anything's

possible, but I don't think, I don't think they can bring him back. If he is fired, you believe it would be without cause and he would get paid? I do. I don't think that they've, you know, unless they've managed to find something I haven't heard about, I, you know, maybe he'll I don't think he'll negotiate either because, you know, from what I'm told, he's been pretty indignant since day one about this outrage that the school did not defend him against these allegations at all, that they immediately suspended him. And that's another factor, too, you know, the relationship, there was already talked that as soon as he had a good season, he was going to be looking for a better job. And now when you have this, this sort of damage to your relationship, it's hard to imagine if you brought him back, how. he wouldn't be gone for a chance he gets, maybe not even for a better job. So that's another thing you have to keep in mind about, you know, the idea of bringing him back.

You know, Jeff, you just mentioned something. I mean, Maryland's got a history of not stepping up in defending and being aggressive and being patient to a certain degree. Look at how Michigan State and North Carolina have both weathered their storms. And, you know, we had a head coach back in 1988 that gave a kid a ride to class so that he would get to class on time. and the school didn't come to his defense in that particular case. Last two, low, survive or not, Evans survive or not.

And if Evans doesn't survive, is Gary Williams, at least an interim AD? I don't think either one of them will survive. It's possible they could. A lot of it's tied to Durkan. If you keep him, their chances of staying are probably better. But I don't think they will, whether that happens at the same time as Durkan, who knows, You know, with the president, it's a lot different, obviously, than with the athletic department employee. Evans, if you fire him, from what I saw of his contract, it appears that if you fire him even with cause, he's still owed $3 million, which is incredible.

And, you know, another example of Wallace Lowe's habit of giving out these unbelievably generous contracts. So he's going to be sitting pretty either way, it looks like. But I don't think that they'll survive this. I think it's just too ugly, too big of a blemish, and there's not going to be enough political capital for them heading into the future. But Evans does have some supporters low. I don't feel like he does have many at this point. He's 72 years old, so maybe you just go ahead and retire at that point and part, you know, amicably at least. I want to make sure I heard that correctly.

Did you say that if Damon Evans is fired with cause, he still gets paid? I scanned his contract about a week ago, and yes, I believe I'll have to go back and look at it again, but my eyes bolds when I saw it. I'm fairly confident that if he fired, he's owed five years, which is $30 million. Not $30 million. Oh, excuse me. I was going to say that would be a generous contract. That would be a hell of a deal.

No, $3 million. Yeah, he's handed out a lot of those, though. You know, Kevin Anderson had an evergreen contract. that was renewed every year automatically on a five-year rolling period, which made it a lot harder to get rid of him when they wanted to. When Lowe decided he was done with him. Mark Turgeon got a very generous, not generous necessarily money-wise contract, but he got an extension with all the money guaranteed zero buyout.

And then Evans, so Lowe's been known for these sort of contracts. People often wonder who's negotiating for Maryland. All right. I always love catching up with you. And if you don't follow Jeff at 247sports.com and you're a Terps fan, you're nuts because it's the best in recruiting information. And we'll sit there after one of your basketball recruiting updates, my boys and I and sit there and talk about who they're getting and who they're not getting for at least an hour a week, minimum. Basketball talk in a couple months. Hopefully we've got a lot more football talk before then.

But thanks for updating the story. I'll talk to you soon. Jeff, appreciate it. Sounds great, brother. Thanks for having me. All right, let's get to some NFL buyer's sell. Are you buying or are you selling? NFL buyer's sell. Quick version of NFL buyer's sell because it's one week in the books.

First of all, I would buy the Washington Redskins right now. They're still not priced very high. The over-unders budged up a little bit in Vegas to seven and a half from seven. The Redskins are big favorites this week at home. A big favorites, less than a touchdown, but six-point favorites. The line would not have been that a week ago until they saw what they saw in Arizona. But I'm not going to beat a dead horse here. The Redskins have a good roster.

They've got a 500 or better roster. My bold prediction or somewhat bold prediction from earlier in the show was, I think we're going to have a meaningful December. There's a lot that could derail that. but I think this is a team capable of going into their final five games in December, six and five or better. And that would mean they would be in the hunt. I'm also buying, and I'm going to continue to buy, because I bought them last week,

and I'm going to continue to buy Baltimore Ravens stock. The Ravens, for the first time in the off season, had a quarterback go through every single OTA mini camp and training camp snap, healthy with Joe Flacco. He got weapons in Sneed, Brown, and Cracko. tree. They all caught touchdown passes in the opener. I love Alex Collins. I love their coaching staff, and I love their defense. The Ravens to me are the team to watch this year in the AFC. I'd be surprised if the Ravens aren't an 11-win team this year or more and a Super Bowl contender out of the

AFC. I'm going to sell for right now, just for now, the Philadelphia Eagles. I thought they looked woeful. I thought they looked awful in that Thursday night opener. And all of the sudden, you look at Philadelphia, and, you know, when does Wentz come back? When is he ready to come back? If Foles is going to start this week against the Buccaneers on the road, against Ryan Fitzpatrick, they won the game. I do like the Eagles defensively. I really like them defensively.

But I'm selling them from this standpoint. I don't think they're a 13-win team this year. They may be an 11-win team. They may be a division winning team, but I don't see them as this overwhelming favorite to be in the NFC championship game with either the Vikings of the Rams. I don't see it that way at all. So that's the sell this week. It's hard to sell anything else. You'd sell the Lions if you saw them the other night.

Stafford looked banged up. I'd probably buy the New York Jets, but I've done that before because I'm a big Todd Bowles fan, but I love the way their defense looked. They are so well-coached defensively. Bowles' defense is always one of the best coach defenses in the league. So I'd buy a little jets, buy a little redskins, buy a lot of Ravens, and I'd probably sell right now just because I think they're way overpriced. I'd sell a little bit of Philadelphia Eagles.

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