The Kevin Sheehan Show - Dotson Dicing Defense

Episode Date: June 7, 2022

Kevin and Thom today on music, concerts, GasLit, birthdays, anniversaries, black-outs, white-outs, and Jahan Dotson's OTA head-turning. And lots more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Write us a quick one to two sentence review. It's really, really helpful. Appreciate all of you that have done that. Tommy is here today. And The Bra 13 wrote, grew up in Alexandria, a move to Raleigh, North Carolina several years ago. Kevin and Tom keep me connect. to my sports roots, love the show, and especially love when they discuss a show series like

Dopesick or Mayor of East Town. I did want to ask you, because I haven't on my list of things to talk about today, are you watching Gaslit or not? I forget if you're watching it or not. I told you to watch it. I haven't been watching it. I told you, I've watched this great series called Wayne. It's an unbelievable series. I know you've been trying to get you to watch it. And somebody thanked me for turning him on to it on social media. So, no, I haven't watched.

Look, I'm in the beginning of the fourth season of Stranger Things. I'm watching that. Oh, God, there's so much TV on. And this is the time for me to kind of get after it. Gaslit, you know, is this, is basically this show with Julia Roberts and with Sean Penn, Julia Roberts playing Martha Mitchell, John Penn playing John Mitchell. This is all about the Watergate era. By the way, we're coming up on 50 years, June 17th will be the 50 year anniversary of the Watergate break-in that started the whole Watergate series of events. Sean Penn's makeup job to turn him into an older man,

which John Mitchell was at the time is incredible. I think I told you this, but my wife was the one that started to watch it. And then I caught up, and after the first or second episode, I said, man, they're really good. It's a really good show. Julia Roberts is excellent playing Martha Mitchell.

And, you know, the guy that's playing John Mitchell is excellent. My wife goes, that's Sean Penn. And I said, what are you talking about? And then I turned it on, and I'm like, Oh my God, it's Sean Penn. He's excellent. But here's why I wanted to bring it up off of the very nice review written by our guy, The Bra 13, is that the episode this week, and the finale comes this Sunday night,

the episode this week, Tommy, was one of the wildest episodes of any show that we've talked about here. You know, any of these multi-episodes series, it was an episode called Year of the Rat. And the stars of this particular episode was the character who plays G. Gordon Liddy and then also John Mitchell and Martha Mitchell. But it is an episode that outside of these two storylines, it doesn't have anything else. And the entire storyline related to G. Gordon Liddy is him already having been arrested and in jail. And him essentially going crazy in jail as he's trying to kill a rat that keeps entering his cell. And it reminded me of the Breaking Bad episode, The Fly. where it was all shot in the meth lab with Walter and Jesse and this fucking, you know, fly, excuse my language.

Why did I say, excuse my language? We always use bad language on this podcast. And it's an episode that I found this out after the fact. I hated that episode, but many people loved that episode. but that episode was shot because they were running way over budget in season three. And so they came up and they wrote an episode that cost them the least amount of money. That's why the fly was written and shot in Breaking Bad. Well, that's really creative, then.

That's remarkably creative. I mean, talking about turning chicken shit into chicken salads. Right. That's what that is. Yes. So last this week, and I watched it last night, I didn't see it on Sunday night because I was watching the NBA game, which we'll get to in a moment. So I watched Gaslit episode 7 last night. And much of the show is the guy that plays G. Gordon Liddy. And I don't know who this guy is in what he's been in. He's very right. recognizable by face. And I'm looking him up right now because I know he's done things and I just don't know what he's done. But I'm sure when I see the list of things, all right, his name is

Shay Wigham. What is he done? I don't recognize the name. Oh my God. I don't recognize those names. He was in the first season of True Detective, which we watched recently. He was in Silver Linings playbook. He played Bradley Cooper's brother, older brother. He was in the Wolf of Wall Street. So yes, there are things that he's been in that... Oh, God, yeah. Yeah. He plays G. Gordon Liddy.

And this acting that he did in this cell, chasing or trying to kill this rat where he actually builds a rat or a mouse trap and doesn't catch the rat but catches his own arm in the mouse trap. I don't know how much of this is true. I know Watergate's one of these things that I actually really loved studying in school. I think I mentioned this with you, or maybe it was on radio, that my 10th grade sophomore year history teacher, Wendy Egan at Walt Whitman High School in Bethesda, Miss Egan was one of our favorite teachers.

All of the guys loved Miss Egan. She was great. and we did a whole, you know, quarter on Watergate, and it was, it was fascinating because I really, you know, I was too young in the moment to really remember or understand it, other than I think I've told you before, I remember specifically where I was when Nixon resigned. But anyway, this episode is very similar to the fly in that it's limited in the amount of production and shooting. Now, there's John and Martha Mitchell and the break. down of Martha Mitchell because of alcohol and prescription drugs and everything else. That's really intense. And the acting between the two of them, phenomenal. But the dude that plays G. Gordon Liddy, this guy, Shea Wigham, in this cell, which takes up 20 minutes of the episode

at least, it's phenomenal. I thought it was incredible acting. And I think it's one of those episodes of a show that people who are watching the show will either really love or really hate? I really loved it. I really loved it. I would think I would, I would think I would really love it. I remember, you know, where I was when Nixon resigned. And I read all the President's men. I read the final days, the other book by Woodward and Bernstein. and I used to make my journalism students watch all the president's men as part of their class in college. I used to make that that they had to watch it, so they were aware of what happened there. So I think I got to watch this series.

I have to make an attempt. I think you'll like this series, but really what I'm specifically referring to is this week's episode, will be one of those episodes like The Fly. in Breaking Bad. Also, like, you watched Ted Lassau, didn't you? Are you watching Ted Lassau or not? I watched a couple episodes of Ted Lassau, and I said, I didn't see the attraction. It's basically, I thought it was a cheerleading session. I really like it. I loved season one much more than season two. But in season two, for those that watched Ted Lassow, there's that whole episode about the assistant coach, Coach Beard.

and it was a weird episode. It kind of came out of nowhere. And as you're watching it, you're sitting there going, what's going on here? What am I watching? This isn't the show that I've been watching. It was an out-of-left-field episode. But at the end of it, I was like, I really enjoyed that.

It was really well done. And that's the way I felt about the Gaslit episode this week. I did not. I never still to this day understand the attraction with the fly in Breaking Bad. It's the only episode of the entire series that is hard for me to watch when it's on. Hard for me to watch, but it sounds like you liked it. Yes, I did. I liked it. I thought it was great. Okay. Um, any, uh, we've got Wayne, we've got gaslit. Um, I don't know. I don't know what else we have. I, um, I was, here's something else that

I was watching. And the only reason I was reminded of this is that I just saw something on Twitter where it was it would have been princes's it's prince's birthday um I'm guessing it didn't say I'm assuming that prince would have been 60 something today let's see he died 1958 so 42 22 22 64 years old he would have been uh today I'm born June 7th 1958 um the reason I bring it up is I'm a massive prince fan have always been a massive a Prince fan and there was an hour and a half PBS special on the purple rain tour in 1984 and 1985 and I watched I only caught half of it because I didn't I just saw when it was on and I caught the last you know 45 minutes of it and that tour in 1984 85 he sold out eight

straight days at the Capitol Center I think that's the record for the most dates ever for a concert, you know, at the Capitol Center. I don't know what, you know, Capone Arena, MCI Center, if they've ever had it. I don't think, I don't think, you don't see that anymore, do you? You don't see major musical acts playing, you know, eight straight shows at Madison Square Garden or, you know, at a venue anymore. That was more of a yesteryear thing. I think it was, right?

I don't think you see that anymore. I agree. I don't think you see it anymore either. Although if you did, I wouldn't know what's happening. How's that? Yeah, that's true. That's true. Because there are shows that come every once in a while. And now my son, you know, one of my boys makes me aware of it. But I went to three of the eight shows at the Capitol Center during that Purple Rain tour.

And still to this day, in terms of a live performance, and I've seen some really good live shows before. But I don't think I have ever been in. in an arena for a concert where the crowd was that juiced up for an act. Like it was, the crowd itself was a scene with people dressed, the women that were there, incredible, and because women loved Prince. But anyway, he was a phenomenal live performer, phenomenal live performer. That also just reminded me of one of the people that I went, I went one night with this particular girl who, very sadly, at the age of like 32 or three, died in a car accident, which was awful.

She was a very, very nice person and a nice girl. What else? Okay. Were you ever? You're like a bumper car this morning. Were you a Prince fan or not? Well, you see, again, I think this is like top gun. It's like a generational thing.

I recognize how great Prince is musically. And there's some of his music who I like that I like. But I think if you are of a certain age when Prince emerged, it had more of an impact on you than it did. I mean, you know, I'm 30 years old when Prince comes out, you know. And while I'm not saying I'm an old man, the younger you are, the more impact and influence music will have of a particular artist for the rest of your life. What's the most memorable concert you've ever been to? Probably Jay Giles.

God, you love Jay Giles. I saw four times. And actually, the most memorable concert I've ever been to, not in terms of a performance, except Jay Giles did play there, was, and it's 50 years ago this summer, July 8th, I think. concert 10. It was a concert of the Pocono Raceway in 1972 that was kind of a Woodstock-like thing. They had like 20 different bands. It was supposed to last a couple of days. And I had a broken ankle. My cat, one of my, I had many broken ankles, but this was one of the times when I had it. And my foot was in a cast and went up with a bunch of my friends to this concert 10. And after the first,

act, it started pouring down rain, and, you know, there were about maybe eight or nine acts that played throughout the night after that, but it was cold and raining in my cash. Okay, Free Dog Night, Humble Pie, let me see, Jake Giles, Ban, Rod Stewart, it was big name stuff and there were a lot of them I think might have been Jess real tall I'm not sure

if they played or not but so that's the most memorable concert only because my own personal experience but Jake Giles is my favorite live concert also to take it in a whole other direction Harry Chapin

Really? I saw Harry Chapin three times and it was like he was sitting in your living room with you, singing to you. You know, it was so intimate and so remarkable, and he was such a great storyteller. And, yeah, I saw him three times. And one of the times I saw, he played at East Stroudsburg University,

and then a bunch of my friends, we went to the Lannard Diner, our diner, after the concert. Well, who walks in with Harry and his band? Oh, wow. And they wind up sitting with us. Oh, I thought you were going to say they played a little private performance. Oh, that's cool. No, they wound up sitting with us at his big table. And we were telling him we were about to go play some street football down at the K-Mart parking lot.

We've tried to get him to come play with us. But that didn't happen. That's the Cats and the Cradle guy, right? Yeah, but he's just a remarkable storyteller. a taxi guy, W-O-L-D, just so much good stuff. What's the one concert or band or performer that you've never seen live that you'd love to actually see live in their prime, like not now, but in their prime? Well, this is easy for me.

I mean, I saw James Brown in 1981, and he was on the downhill side, but he could still be James Brown. I saw Wilson Pickett. I've seen the Rolling Stones. I haven't seen and I didn't see Otis Redding I would have liked to have seen but he was dead by 1968

I never saw Bruce Springsteen I really regret that and apparently he's going to tour again and I kind of took a vow recently that I'm not going to any concert I'll go with you to that one I'll get a absurd really yeah if he

I mean if he plays somewhere close I'll go with you to that one I've seen Bruce a few times I need to go see him. I mean, I regretted not seeing him when he did the Born in the USA tour, you know, back in the mid-80s, early 80s. And that's the one I wish I had seen. I saw Elton John, you know. I've seen Billy Joel.

I saw the Elton John Billy Joel dual concert. That was actually really good. I think I've seen Elton John like five hours. I saw Elton John in 1972 at the Harrisburg Farm Show Arena. Wow. And he was great. I saw Elton John in a total acoustic show at Constitution Hall. Like you're talking about 3,000 people's super small venue, acoustic only.

Him and his piano, and then he had a percussionist, and that was it. And that would have been like 1981. or 82, something like that. I mean, I've seen them live in other spots too. Springsteen, I think I told you this once. I've seen Springsteen, I think, three times, and it is great. But I saw him in Philadelphia, which was really great. Like, I think if you're going to see Springsteen, it's like you almost have to see him in New York or Philadelphia,

where the people are just insane over his show. Well, you've got the Jersey connection at either end of the state. Exactly, exactly. And yeah, the one, there's one band that I, to me, because I've seen, I mean, I've seen the Stones a bunch of times. I've seen you two a lot of times. You know, I've seen, like I'd love to see Nirvana, obviously that can't happen. But I would have loved to have seen Nirvana during their prime. But I think the band that I would love to see more than, I never, I think in, I don't think I felt this way at the time, but I would have loved to have seen Queen during their heyday. But Zeppler, Zeppelin's the one, you know, I saw the Who, I saw the Stones, I saw, you know, you two, I've seen Springsteen. Zeppelin's the one that it would have been so cool to see them, you know, in maybe a stadium show with decent seats and decent acoustics back in like the 70s.

Because I think they're, they're one of the bands that I didn't appreciate when I was younger, that I appreciate so much more now. And it's still like I go through these phases once a year where like two weeks I'll just, that's all I'll listen to. But that would be the one I think, I don't know, I'm trying to think anybody else. There are other people too. Like I wouldn't, I think I would have loved to have seen Pink Floyd live because I heard their shows live were incredible. Yeah. Okay, do we have any sports to talk about today?

Yes, we do. We got that great NBA finals, don't we? So you apparently told me before the show that you tweeted out. Thanks, Kevin, for recommending the NBA finals. And what else did you say? Well, I will call that tweet up for you right now. It was Sunday night in the middle of game, too. A terrible game.

And I tweeted out that watching Celtics versus Warriors on NBA on ABC, because Kevin Sheehan told me to. I could be watching Major League Pickleball Final. I could be watching Deadly Yoga. I could be watching NHRA drag racing. But no, I'm watching this. Guess what I kept flipping back and forth between during that horrendous game, especially in the second half.

The pickleball on CBS Sports Network. Yes, I did. I was watching some of the Pickleball. pickleball because I think I've told you that's like one of my new favorite things right now is pickleball and it's so cool to watch it on TV. Yeah, my wife is out playing pickleball right now. Can she get you out there or not? I occasionally will go out.

I mean, I have limited, I have limited range, but then it's kind of, it's a game that helps you. It doesn't hurt you as bad if you have limited range. That's right. It's not like tennis. Yeah, no. I mean, so it's, yeah. Exactly. So I enjoy playing it.

I just won't go out of my way to play it. But if I'm with my wife and they need me to play, then I'll play. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because my wife wants to get into it as well. And so we've been sort of just hitting the ball back and forth. And, you know, and I've said to her, she got upset when I said this. I said, you know, it's really a sport where you don't have to be like super athletic to play. And she's like, oh, you know, and then she got upset because she thought I was kind of identifying my wife. My wife is not overly athletic.

She was definitely not an athlete as a younger person. But she's not, you know, she's capable of participating in sports. I mean, she can hit a tennis ball back and forth. But anyway, I'm going to end that part of the conversation right there. It is true that you don't have to be like in great shape or super athletic to play a casual game of pickleball with people kind of at your level. And tennis, you know, you get to a certain age. I mean, I know a lot of guys much older than I that are still playing high level tennis. But it is way too much wear and tear.

and you've got to be in shape, you know, to play tennis. And the other part about tennis, too, Tommy, is if you're not playing with somebody your level, like if you suck compared to the person you're playing or you're much better, you spend half of the, you know, of the hour that you're playing just walking around picking balls up. You know, it's not even that fun. Pickle ball is much faster-paced. You're playing points almost all the time. And it's a good,

there's a lot of good things about it. I think obviously the people that are decent at it have very good hand-eye coordination and good hands. And then the people who are exceptional doing it are good athletes and have a level of quickness and movement that is important to play it. You could see that when I was watching the pickleball stuff on CBS Sports Network the other night.

There's just a lot of the people that are playing it at a high level. Although there was one woman who was out there that was not super athletic, and she was clearly very a big, big woman and not moving very good, but she had phenomenal, phenomenal hands and was really good. But anyway, okay, so you didn't like the NBA game. It was a bad game. Did you watch Game One? No, I didn't watch Game One because I wouldn't have bothered to watch it except you asked me to.

and being a good podcast co-host partner for you, I said to my wife, I said, look, I got to watch this tonight. Kevin asked me too, we're going to talk about it. I really can't fake my way through the whole NBA finals. I've got to be able to have some idea what's going on. So I watched it. And what I think, I thought the same thing I thought before I watched it. It's not even basketball.

It's not even basketball. But you didn't watch game one. top 10 list for Steph Curry. You know, I've been thinking about that really hard lately about top 10 all-time NBA. Right. And every time I think about it some more, he drops down one more player on the list. Well, did you see him in game two? Okay.

Because you watched game two. Yeah. I saw him in game two, okay? And I know this will drive you nuts. He couldn't even be on the court with Jerry West. not even on the court. Oh, stop. Please.

No. You know what you should do? I'll tell you what. Jerry West is ahead of him on that list. You know who's ahead of him? Alan Iverson is ahead of him on that list. He's not a top 10 player. Alan Iverson is a different conversation than Jerry West.

But what was so incredible about what was a lousy game, and by the way, your podcast partner asked you to watch game one when we were on together on Thursday. And you didn't watch. No, you didn't. Yeah, game one. You didn't ask me. Game one was Thursday night. We did a podcast together Thursday morning. I know, but you didn't ask me to watch me. No, but you said that you said to Liz, you know, instead of going in there, I'm paraphrasing, instead of going in there and kind of

faking it, which by the way, of course you can do, you've been doing that for 15 years with me. You really need to sit down and watch. Well, you didn't watch. Well, you didn't watch. until Sunday night. So Thursday night was game one, and Thursday morning we did the podcast. So I'm just saying, if you felt the urge, or if you felt like out of some sense of responsibility, I don't know why you wouldn't. I know you're making that up, that I have to watch the game. You should have watched game, which was a thrilling game. What was I doing Thursday night? I don't even remember what I was doing Thursday night. Must have been something important. The thing about Steph Curry...

But anyway... Go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go ahead. It's not basketball anymore. It's not. Game 2 was really, really hideous. You know, Boston was clearly tired.

Jason Tatum looked hurt. But what was really exceptional about that game was Steph Curry's defense. He was incredible defensively. And I know I'm saying that in kind of a comparative to Steph Curry as a defensive player during the course of his career environment, like he's never been a great defender. He was incredible the other night, so much so that, you know, I read afterwards that Steve Kerr, you know, essentially singled out how great defensively Steph was to make the point that he's not as bad defensively as people like to make him out to be. And he certainly wasn't on Sunday night. and he was brilliant offensively, per usual. But, yeah, no, Curry for me is, you know, what we talked about last week.

He's somewhere in the 10 to 14 discussion of all time. Okay, well, that's different than top 10. I might put her in the top 15. I said that he had to win the series. I think about it. I add another player to the list ahead of them. but I might grant you top 15, but I don't think Alan Iverson nearly gets enough run as one of the great players in NBA history. I don't think he does.

I mean, just amazing what he did, given his size and his game. He was great. You know, going inside when big men still dominated the game was just amazing. Alan Iverson was a special player, an all-time player. Oh my God, you know what? Guess whose birthday it is today? Prince's birthday and Alan Iverson's birthday. Swear to God. I just pulled up because I wanted to see how many times he won the scoring title because I knew it was a lot. And the first thing that popped up was that it was his birthday. June 7th, 1975. He's 47 years old. It's at least three times, three times, right? Four times. Four times. scoring champ. Oh, okay. Four-time scoring champ, yeah. Yeah, he's, Iverson's an all-time great. He is. I think, I think, like, let me, what would I say that in saying that Steph Curry is better? Well, I would say that Steph Curry is a better shooter, but Alan Iverson could really shoot it. But Curry was a better long-range shooter, period.

And that's the difference. You know, we talked about this last week, but Curry is the great, you know, you could argue that Curry is the greatest shooter of all time in NBA history. And I'm not going to argue that with anybody because I think he's right there with some of the all-time greats I've watched, including Reggie Miller, you know, Bird, etc. But, yeah, Iverson's a phenomenal all-time player. Phenomenal all-time player. He is. I think I'd still take Steph, but I loved watching Alan Iverson play. Happy birthday, AI.

47 years old. Happy Thursday, buddy. By the way, you know what? I might as well do this right now. 44 years ago tonight, the Washington Bullets won their only NBA championship. June 7th, 1978. Whenever it's June 7th, I always remember that date because that was the date that the team that I actually really want to see good again, maybe more so than even the football team these days.

I remember this so well. I remember all of those players. I remember that series against Seattle. And you know, what's so interesting about that series is for those that have been watching winning time or have watched it, you know, that first season of Magic Johnson, which was the 7980. season in which they won the title in Philadelphia. And it was, you know, Magic and Bird as rookies. And Bird won rookie of the year. But Magic was, you know, the finals MVP. He was the finals MVP, right? With the, you know, the all-time great game six in the spectrum playing center with Kareem out. That was, you know, a lot of the early part of that show was discussing about how the NBA was in decline in major.

decline, which it was. Yes. And that was off of the bullets and the Sonics playing back-to-back finals against each other in 1978, 44 years ago when the bullets won in a seventh and deciding game at the Seattle Center Coliseum. And then the following year, when the Sonics in the rematch beat the bullets in five games, those games were not highly watched. The NBA was considered at the time,

and you saw this in winning time, to be too black. They had a drug problem in the NBA. The NBA was in major decline. There was the thought that the NBA may not survive as a league when Jerry Buss bought the Lakers from Jack Kent Cook. Or certainly that there could be some retraction, which was what the conversation was, what the conversation was at the time. And in part because the two finals leading up to Magic and Bird's rookie years

were Washington and Seattle. They were not compelling national matchups. But Tommy, the matchup before the bullets won in 78 was indeed a very popular, highly watched, highly anticipated NBA finals between Bill Walton's Portland Trailblazers and the the stars of the 76ers, led by Julius Irving, led by Dr. Jay in a great series that Portland won. It was a memorable series, and that's when you saw the greatness of Bill Walton in that series. When people say that if Bill Walton is probably a top five center of all time, some people say that, and I would tend to agree with that, it's based on a short window because of the injuries he's had. but in terms of scoring,

rebounding, and passing at that higher level, I mean, he's among the best ever. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, and I've told you to watch, you know, Jokic for the Nuggets, because I think in watching him, I'm so reminded of Bill Walton. Now, you know, it's a different game,

and he shoots three, and he's a deadly three-point shooter. But I always thought that Bill Walton's the greatest passing big man that I've ever watched. But I think Jokic is right there with him. He's that good of a passer. I mean, I'm looking up, I wanted to see how many assists he averaged this year. He averaged, you know, playing the center position, he averaged eight assists. I mean, that's amazing.

Walton's best year, assists-wise, was that championship year. averaged five assists per game. But he was so great. He was so gifted. And injuries obviously derailed what would have been a career that we'd still be talking about today because if he had stayed healthy, he would have been one of the 10 greatest players of all time. He would be on that list. You agree with that, right? Yes. Yes, he would be. I agree. You know, talking about the NBA, I took a note of something, one last thing. Yeah. I read this story, and I don't quite understand who Fitz ratings is.

They aside ratings to NBA. Well, they side ratings to companies based on their financial health, I think. And they reported that the NBA just recently borrowed $254 million. From whom? Why? From a bank? From a bank and for what? From their credit.

That's the thing. It doesn't say for what. I mean, that's eyebrow raising that a league that, quote, supposedly is doing so well, unquote, has to go out and borrow $254 million. Why? It doesn't say why. I mean. I mean, that's a little bit alarming to me if I was an NBA.

fan. And I was talking to somebody inside the game many years ago, not many years ago, just a few years ago, who told me that 30 to 40 percent of the teams lose money. Yeah. Well, you and I had that conversation with. Yeah. With Leonas that day, we were with him many, many years ago. He said, we need to make playoffs. We need to make the playoffs. We need to have an additional two, three, four home games to break even. You know, the Warriors so far in this postseason have made an extra hundred million dollars in top line revenue because they've had all these home playoffs. I know. I know.

You know? I know. That's amazing. I'll tell you this. You know, our friend John Orient, who does Sports Business Journal and has the newsletter, and I get the newsletter, and it's outstanding. He indicated that game one of the NBA finals, which was a good game, game two was not, did not do a good ratings number.

11.9 million watched it, and it was the lowest game won in 15 years. Now, that excludes the finals of the last two years because they were played in July last year, in the year before, in the bubble. So taking those two years out, it's the lowest game one audience in 15 years. What's interesting, and John mentions this, he says, I expected the finals opening game to track alongside the rest of the NBA postseason and post a comparable audience, especially considering that the game was close into the fourth quarter. If the series goes six or seven games, as most have predicted, expect the audience to rebound. Yeah, you know, the numbers for what have been, I think, a very ho-hum, you know, boring NBA playoffs with lots of blowouts have been pretty good for the most part.

But game one wasn't. I have not seen the game two numbers from Sunday night. Maybe, you know what? Maybe a lot of people were watching the pickleball on Thursday night. Uh, we've got, maybe, we've got, maybe, but I know what I suspect? One last thing. What? I mean, my go-to suspicion would be, and they've lost a lot of money in China.

Oh, that's a big part of it. Over the tension. A hundred percent. Over the tension with China over the past few years, I think they thought they were going to, you know, make a pay in China. And then the bad, you know, relations started. Uh, and, uh, you know, they weren't even broadcasting, I think. NBA games in China for a while. So I bet you that has something to do with it.

I think it does. In fact, you know, I had this guy, Daniel Kaplan from the Athletic, the business reporter, on the radio show this morning because it looks like the Broncos are going to sell for $4.5 billion to one of the Walton heirs. But this Walton heirs worth just a cool $60 billion. It'll make him the second richest owner in sports. Balmer will be number one. Steve Balmer, I think, is still the wealthiest owner of all the major North American sports teams anyway.

But I asked him at one point, and I think the question was something like, other than the NFL, what's the next, you know, healthiest sport? And he did say the NBA, but he made a comment about China, which, you know, essentially mirrors what you just said. I think that's part of it because it really is, the NBA really is a global sport. You know, it generates a lot of revenue worldwide, but, you know, perhaps not nearly as much as they had hoped when they decided to lie in bed with communist China. All right, let's get to some football talk right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the podcast is presented by Windonation with home prices on the rise. There's no better time than now to improve the look and value of your home with new. windows from Window Nation. You buy two, you get too free right now with no limit. You put no money down,

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about all of these themed games for the upcoming season where, you know, they're going to have a blackout game against the Vikings and a whiteout game against the Cowboys and all of these different things. And he said, in 23 years, Andy from Gathersburg writes, Snyder has turned this team from the Patriots into the Bowie Bay Sox with one promotional night after another. Well, at least they're not doing monkeys riding dogs, okay? Like a minor league game would.

Or the Dynamite Lady. What was the Dynamite Lady? Was that a Chicago White Sox thing? No, no, no. The Dynamite Lady was a woman who traveled around the country, minor league games, would put herself in a box and have it explode. I don't remember that. I don't think I've ever seen Dynamite lady.

Wow. Yes. And she survived each one. I guess she did. So that's kind of what they've been reduced to, you know? Well, I got a lot. I want your opinion on this. They're making an effort.

Okay. They're making an effort. They're trying. Right. Is that your reaction to it? I'm trying to bend. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf here. trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Really? Really? A little bit. You're not giving... A little bit. You certainly aren't giving Jack Del Rio the benefit of the doubt. No, no, I'm not. No, I'm not.

Well, maybe they'll have a Jack Del Rio promotion in here. Maybe Jack Del Rio will block you on Twitter. Well, he already had it. I know. He just did it this morning. Yeah. But, you know, these aren't particularly exciting promotions. I mean, I don't know, you know, what would have been much better,

but there is, you know, the Alumni Weekend that everybody looks forward to and things like that. I will say one thing. This is a big mistake, and somebody in a room should have realized it. Week 17, Rivalry Week, we want Dallas, a whiteout game. That's not a good game to do that, because it will be very clear then to everybody in the stadium. them, who the cowboy fans are, and who the commander fans are.

Yeah, no. Because you'll have all this blue from Dallas jerseys, and then you'll have the little commanders group with their white t-shirt or whatever. Yeah, probably. That would stand out. It probably would have made sense to do that game for a game in which there might not be that many opposing fans. Yes, yes.

So, you know, I got a lot of feedback on my discussion of this from yesterday's show. And I, you know, it's not that I'm turning over a new leaf here like you apparently are doing. But I said, you know, look, it would be talking out of both sides of my mouth if I made fun of this for being embarrassingly collegiate and small market, which it is. and then said that I hate it because I've also been saying they're in the customer acquisition business they have to market their team they don't have enough customers

they have to market to a new audience a new demographic a younger demo of customers they they're lucky that they're in the NFL where they get 1.32nd of this ridiculous television you know, money.

And they'll never, ever go out of business. They will always be a viable business as long as the NFL continues to share equally the TV revenue, the media revenue, really, because who knows where the media revenue is heading in the future. But as long as they're sharing that, it'll always be a viable business. But on every other aspect of the business,

they have turned very much into something not minor leagueish. Okay, that's an exaggeration. but kind of, you know, in desperation of fans. You know, they called this inaugural, this, you know, commanders announced game themes for inaugural season. And even though I understand the inaugural, meaning the first year of the commanders, it's the way that they're approaching it in their business.

This is a whole new game for them. You know, 2-22 was the changing of, we don't have, we got to treat this like it's a startup business. We have to treat it like we just opened up a restaurant and nobody knows about us. And, you know, hopefully the food is good, meaning hopefully they'll win, but they can't count on winning. And so that's why they've put together this long list of things that will attract younger people, like the eventual unveiling of the new mascot in week 17.

against the Browns, which is going to be a year-long fan engagement program. Let's hope it's more fan engagement than what led to the commanders. Because I don't know one fan at this point that said commanders was what they were looking for. But the new mascot will be unveiled then. You know, you've got the whiteout game, the blackout game against the Vikings, the whiteout game. Younger people love that kind of thing. You've got the debut of the revamped fights.

song. But then you also have things that appeal to the older group. They're going to honor, you know, the legends of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. I don't know how many of those guys are left in week one. You know, we talked about this yesterday. They're going to honor all five world championship teams in week seven against the Packers. They're going to honor the hogs in week 17 against the Browns. So they're trying to also appeal, you know, give reasons for people who have been fans for a long time that haven't been going to games. maybe reasons to come out. The Sean Taylor thing to me, look, I said it yesterday and I'll say it with Tommy here because he hasn't heard it. When I read debut of a permanent installation,

all I could think about was a statue. And I think that that would have been a massive mistake to build a statue of Sean Taylor. Yes. A huge mistake. I mean, I can go down the list with all due respect to the late Sean Taylor and what a great player he was and what he meant to a lot of Washington fans. He's not in the top five statute list. He's not in the top 20 statue list in the history of this organization. I'm trying to be kind. I'm trying to be kind.

Okay, but I'm being, you know, I'm respectful to Sean as well because I actually really loved Sean Taylor, the player. And I know how younger people feel about Sean Taylor. They don't have, you know, Monk and Daryl Green and Jake and Rigo and Thigho and thighs men to lean on. They don't have that. They don't remember that. So, you know, these last 20 years that have been so painful from a win-loss standpoint, you know, Sean Taylor's their guy, and I get it. I totally get it. And again, I was fine with his jersey being retired, just not the next jersey after Bobby Mitchell. And a statue would have been a major mistake. So apparently they're not doing a

They're doing a shrine. They're not doing a statue. Do you know what they're doing exactly? No, I don't. Okay, they're doing a, this is what I was told. They're doing some kind of shrine to Sean Taylor that'll be in the stadium somewhere. I said on the show yesterday, make sure it's not on the club level. Make sure it's accessible by everybody.

Yes. Yes, absolutely. And make sure that it's done in a nice, you know, kind of first-rate way, unlike what happened. you know, last year with the rushed, you know, Jersey retirement ceremony. But a lot of people, you know, got on me a little bit, as they often have whenever the conversation of Sean Taylor comes up. And I'll just repeat with Tommy what I've repeated many times before. When it comes to Sean Taylor, great player on his way to being all-time great, he, because of the tragedy, you know, I understand why, you know, this owner and this team wants to honor him, and I have no problem

with that, honoring him in every way possible. Statue would be over the top, and I think retiring as Jersey as the third Jersey retired in franchise history was over the top. And I think it was rushed, and I think it was rushed because there was some bad publicity at the time, and we know that this was not a planned venture. So, you know, it falls under the category of special exception in terms of his jersey being retired. But I've already given everybody the list here, and I'll do it again with Tommy here. There are seven players who have played for this organization

that since they are now retiring jerseys deserve on merit to have their jerseys retired without any debate. Sonny Jurgensen, Daryl Green, Sammy Boss 33, which was the only one retired before they decided to start retiring numbers again and did so with Bobby Mitchell's jersey. Charlie Taylor's 42, John Riggins 44, Bobby Mitchell's 49, and Art Monks, 81. Those are the seven that if you are a longtime fan like I've been of this team lifelong,

you understand that if you're sitting there at the table discussing jerseys to be retired, those seven are set aside and say these are the first seven we're doing. You know, we've already done Sammy Ball, we did Bobby Mitchell, now let's put in order the rest of them. And once we get those done, we can start talking about the next group in whether or not they're worthy of having a jersey retired. I will just say, again, I want Sonny's jersey to be retired sooner rather than later. Charlie Taylor's jersey hasn't been retired, and he won't be alive to see that when it happens. I think Sunnies should be next. But after that, you know, Jacoby, Grimm, Hamburger, Brown, Houston, Thaisman, you know,

and Sean Taylor is kind of a debatable category, and then you get into kind of the reaches. You know, Doug Williams, Brian Mitchell, Pat Fisher, Monty Coleman, Dave Butts, Dexter Manley, Gary Clark and Jerry Smith. You know, those are the ones that... You're right. Your list, your top not-debatable list, I think is accurate. Yeah. I would agree with that.

I don't think any... I mean, you've written books on the history of this team. They're all available still. You can't debate any of those people in terms of Jersey retirement. There was a debate to be had on Sean Taylor because he certainly didn't earn it based on... He didn't earn it, you know, on the... sealed with production. Not his fault. Understand. He was gunned down tragically in his own home. It was one of the saddest weeks that all of us have ever lived through his fans of the team.

But anyway, all right. So do you have anything else on this? Which game are you going to go to? No, except. Well, I'll go to all the home games. You know, I'll go to them all. Unless I'm blocked from going to games too now. Unless Jack Del Rio blocks me from going to games, too. You know, I recognize that Jack Del Rio is a legitimate badass, by the way, and I'm just hoping that's all he does is block me on Twitter. Well, look, we're not going to get into what he's been tweeting and retweeting and liking,

and we've done that before. Right. The bottom line is... We don't need to get in the context of that. He shouldn't be doing it. The bottom line is he's the defensive coordinator for an NFL team, and, you know, if you want to be controversial, go do it on a team that has a great culture and can withstand it. I mean, I can't imagine, even if Ron Rivera agrees with some of what Jack Del Rio likes and

retweets and comments on, I can't imagine that they're thrilled with the attention that he gets with his Twitter account. No, I don't think so. But look, I guess. I, look, I, give the team credit for coming up with a list of promotions to try to get people to come to Ghost Townfield. Yeah, I do too. I do too. I understand what they're trying to do. It's what we've talked about before.

They are trying to build and grow a business that isn't reliant on the team winning or losing. I was told a year and a half ago, they're trying to build a business that is losing resilient. and that's an interesting business to be in. So there was one other thing that I wanted to talk about as it relates to the football team. And it's the excitement that comes out of OTAs for some. We'll get to that next right after these words from a few of our sponsors. So I wanted to finish up the show today with this.

Logan Paulson, former tight end for the team. And by the way, a really nice guy. I like Logan a lot. Logan's come on the podcast before he's come on the radio show. I did this hit with him every Sunday before games because he's part of the pregame show. And I really like Logan a lot. And I think he's really good in breaking down film and talking football. It's funny.

Tight ends, I think just in general, tend to be sharp guys. And I like Logan a lot. And so Logan's doing a lot of work for the team. I know that. He's doing a lot of work with Julie Donaldson for NBC Sports, Washington, et cetera. But I don't know where he said this. I only saw the tweet from Hogshaven. The tweet read last night,

Logan Paulson said Jahan Dotson is absolutely dicing people up in OTAs and is near uncoverable. And the only DB that's been able to stay on him is Benjamin St. Juice. Now, I think even Logan understands that these are OTAs and that you shouldn't get overly excited about it. And if that's what he's seeing in OTAs, he can say that without saying

John Dodson's going to tear up the NFL in his rookie year. But when you say something like that, you're Logan Paulson, boy, the fans are going to take it and run with it. I, by the way... Yep, get the bang window, baby. Get to the window. Get to the window and take your June, July, and August rent money and put it on Dotson and whatever his over-under-run catches is this year. I like Johan Dotson a lot. I've talked about him before the draft. I talked about him after the draft. I think he's going to be a really good

player. I just, I watched a lot of them in college, and I think he's going to be a really good player. By the way, I like Benjamin St. Juice, too, in the limited amount of time that I saw him. But I am not going to be convinced on Jahan Dotson or Benjamin St. Juice based on what's going on in OTAs. Brendan Dar, my producer for radio, found a bunch of articles that were written this time last year. Jamon Davis, you remember him? He was the first round pick of the team last year. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Was he having some OTA days? So much so that he was declared the winner. of the OTA days and a potential defensive rookie of the year. And who knows, maybe a defensive player of the year.

And the guy Coramoa that they were going to draft, remember out of Notre Dame, but he went in the second round to Cleveland and they passed on him. Nah, they made the right call on Jaman Davis. Our good friend Christopher Russell wrote extensively about OTA's last year at this. very at this time we love we love chris we love him dearly but he was going um nuts about jaman davis color us pleasantly surprised because we think jeremiah ouso quamoa again the guy that a lot of us thought they were going to take in the first round of 2021 of the 2021 draft because we think he's going to struggle to be a true mike linebacker in cleveland in some

and the NFL share of those concerns. There's no doubt that the Washington linebacker course should be better this year with the addition of Davis. But the wild card could be second year player Kaleek Hudson who got some valuable experience. He's off to a strong start in OTAs and kicked off this week with a fantastic interception that got everybody fired up at a practice session on Tuesday morning. Look, I love it. I love Chris and I love all these people. They're our friends. And there is an audience for tweeting out the excitement

based on what they're seeing at OTAs. And tomorrow will be a media availability for OTAs. And you'll be able to follow along with all the beat reporters that will be telling you about the dimes that Carson Wentz is dropping in the hands of a wide open Jehan Dodson because he is slicing and dicing people up and is uncoverable in OTAs. Every year, I bet you, if we went back and we did any real research,

we could go through OTAs, mini-camp, and even training camp, and find so many narratives that came out of it. By the way, some of it from coaches. Some of this was from your guy Voodoo Jack, who was talking about how Jamin Davis is, you know, a potential rookie of the year defensive candidate. it. It just, you don't know. What would you have these reporters do?

No, no, no, I'm not knocking it. There's an audience for it. Okay. There's an audience for it. We've talked about this every year. You can only report what you see. That's right. You know? Yes. And you can't keep writing like you just plug in the sentence, but this is OTAs. I remember, you know, you can't put a disclaimer on every.

everything you tweet about OTA. Well, you could. Like the disclaimer. You could. It would be awfully cumbersome. It'd be awfully cumbersome. I know, but I'm not, look, I'm not suggesting that Ben and JP and Nikki and Chris and, you know, and Sam and all the people on the beat are sitting there when they tweet out unbelievable, you know, route run by Diami Brown. and a great, you know, one-handed snag in the corner of the end zone by Cam Sims.

I'm not suggesting that they are extrapolating that this means something when you get to the regular season. They're telling you and they're reporting on what they're seeing. I understand that. The people that take that and run with it and then believe that somehow what's going on in OTAs is like an absolute translation into what you'll see in the regular season, Well, they're gullible. I mean, they're complete and utter, you know, naives. Like you can't, you've watched enough football out there, haven't you, to know that none of this really matters.

But I was going to make one exception for none of this really matters. And that is that somebody like Logan Paulson, you know, the people, the famous Kirk Cousins line, people who know, know, you know, when he said that about, you know, any kind of criticism. People who know, no. Logan Paulson played in the NFL, and he played an offensive skill position spot, tight end. And he's seen enough wide receivers and tight ends, you know, running around in shorts to know if somebody really looks different from others. Like, it reminds me of the Jeff Bostic Desmond Howard story. You remember this, right? Oh, yeah.

First day of training camp. First day of training. It may have been the first day of minicamp. It was the first day of something when it was really hot out and real games weren't being played and they were running around in shorts. And Jeff Bostic afterwards was asked, you know, how did Desmond Howard look? And he said, he can't do it. And the reporter said, he got hurt? What do you mean he can't do it?

No, no, no. I'm sorry. Let me tell you the exact line. At least this is the lore of this story. He can't play, was the line from Jeff Bostic. What do you mean he can't play? Was he hurt? No, no, no.

He can't play. What do you mean? Well, he can't get off the line of scrimmage. He can't get separation off the line of scrimmage. You have to be able to do that at the NFL level. I mean, that's so players can see stuff before the games are actually played. and they know a lot more than we know. And so I am, you know, from Logan Paulson willing to say he is seeing something in Dotson

that is different than maybe you see this time of year and is special maybe. But again, for the most of this stuff, it's like we just got to wait, guys. Got to wait. Yeah. We have no idea. You're right. You're right. Logan Paulson certainly what you would think, except he's.

being paid by the team would have more credibility than other people who would watch OTAs. But he is on the payroll. Okay? I think he is. Yeah, I think he is. Maybe it's the NBC sports payroll. I don't know how that works. Okay.

Well, that's one and the same. It doesn't really matter. Same thing. That's true. So, and here's the other thing. He's going against the commander's defender. Okay? You know, I mean, there's something.

No matter what you think of them, I mean, you know, he is going against guys who, you know, who are not the opposition, their teammates. You think Jack notices how good Benjamin St. Juice is, or do you think he's just buried in his phone reading tweets and retweeting things? I think he's trying to figure out what else he could do to me after he blocked me on Twitter. Oh, God. I don't really have anything else. I think this Phil Mickelson story is, you know,

and I think this LIV tour is really interesting. I had Mark Schlebeau, who covers golf for ESPN on the show. Oh, I know what I wanted to read to you. Bob Herrig, who is a golf writer for Sports Illustrated, got Phil Mickelson and interviewed him about a lot of different things. For those who haven't been following the story, Phil Mickelson hasn't played golf for like six months after making a lot of comments about this new LIV Saudi-backed tour, which Dustin Johnson is now resigned from the PGA tour. A lot of players heading there.

There's a lot of reasons that they would be heading there, but the number one reason is money. Gobbs of it. Tiger Woods, according to reports, turned down a nine-figure offer to go play on that tour. Nine figures, just so everybody understands, is 100 million or more. Yes. And, you know, DJ got, you know, $125 million or whatever it was. I think it's kind of an interesting story. I do.

Look, some of these guys are making the kind of money for what they're, the guarantees that they're getting. And then this is a 54-hole 48-player tournament that has, you know, $25 million purses where if you finished dead last out of 48, you're still going to walk with like 120K. You know, there's no cuts. So it's pretty attractive financially compared to the PGA tour. Anyway, Mickelson did this interview with Herrick. And the gambling stuff is obviously very interesting to me, you know, that he had lost $40 million in betting on sports and gambling. And so Herrig asked him, he said so given the amount of money being offered

and certainly what we know the purses are to be there is a suggestion that you are doing this due to financial difficulties can you address that so it was really about gambling and Mickelson said quote my gambling got to a point of being reckless and embarrassing I had to address it

and I've been addressing it for a number of years and for hundreds of hours of therapy I feel good where I'm at there. My family and I have been financially secure for some time. Gambling's been a part of my life ever since I can remember, but about a decade ago is when I would say it became reckless. It's embarrassing. I don't like that people know. The fact is I've been dealing with it for some time. Amy, his wife, has been very supportive of it and of me and the process. We're at a place after many years where I feel comfortable with where that is. it isn't a threat to me or my financial security. It was just a number of poor decisions.

And then a follow-up question from Bob Herrick. What about gambling on the course in practice rounds, which you've always used as a way to prepare? So the gambling, the reckless gambling, you know, I've heard that it was mostly sports betting. You know, betting on football, betting on basketball, betting on sports. and he had a major gambling problem and lost a lot of money.

But that he was also an addicted gambler on the golf course as well, which many people are very, very into gambling while they're playing golf. Call me one of those people. So I was curious to see how he was going to answer this question. And he said, on the golf course, it's creating competition. But it's the anxiety, the other things that come across with gambling off the course and addiction off the course that I really needed to address, closed quote. So he's saying that the gambling on the golf course creates competition.

It's a way for him to prepare. And it doesn't include the anxiety and the other bad things that come across with gambling off the course and the addiction and the issues that that causes. And it causes a lot of bad things for a lot of bad people because it is, you know, an addictive thing and a sickness. But I'm telling you, Tommy, seriously, for what I know about gambling, and I know a lot about gambling, and I know a lot of bad stories about people and gambling. If he's gambling, it's kind of like drinking.

You know, I don't have a drinking problem, but, you know, I can have one drink. Well, apparently, you know, alcoholics can't have one drink. Gamblers are the same way. You can't just gamble in that environment and say, I'm fine. This is for creating competition. this is for preparation for me. I would worry about that from his standpoint, that he's still gambling on the golf course.

But that's just me. Do you think the off-the-course stuff that he was talking about included the people that he owed money to, maybe? Oh, I bet that... Well, I think there's a lot of... Are you talking about, like, the anxiety and the embarrassment and what it does? what are you referring to?

I'm referring to the guys with noses that go sideways. Oh, oh, like the Billy Walters of the world and the insider trading stuff. Yeah, I mean, I think that he, I think there, he was probably, I mean, I'm speculating here. I think there was probably a lot of issues. I think he owed people money that he couldn't pay off without maybe changing golf club manufacturers and doing different things to make more money. I think he probably was a dishonest in his most important relationships in his life. I bet the anxiety over the gambling losses led to, you know, temperamental kind of things

and a difficult guy to probably deal with. You know, he had a lot of, this guy had a lot of stuff going on, not to mention that he's also one of the world's most famous athletes, and he's really good at what he does. Thank God he's really good at what he does because he was able to clearly, you know, clearly, you know, pay off a lot of these debts. I mean, the story was in the book that it was, you know, $40 million worth of gambling losses.

I don't care what you're worth and he's worth a lot of money. You know, I don't know what his net worth is, but I would guess his net worth is close to a half a billion dollars. You know? But, yeah, I mean, I think, you know, whenever you're involved in gambling and, you know, and big time gambling, you know, I guarantee you there were casinos. I can't guarantee this.

I don't want to say I guarantee it. I bet you there were casinos that he was in, that he sports bet or maybe, you know, lost a bunch of money where he took out markers, you know, at tables in Vegas. And, you know, and owed, you know, casinos a lot of money. And maybe, you know, for a guy as competitive as him, It was painful to pay it off. And by the way, then you get into that situation of, oh, shit, I own $15 million or I own $2 million or whatever it is. How do I pay them off without my wife figuring it out?

You know? Like there's all that stuff going on. You know, I guarantee you part of this gambling disease that he had, he was living a lie in his personal life. Sounds like I have a lot of expertise in this area. Yes, it does. And I do, but... Sounds like a motivational speaker to me. Well, look, I'm going to tell you that I have not had that issue for many, many, many, many years.

But, and I never had what I would call an addiction. But I knew people that had addictions, and I can certainly remember the days long before getting married and having kids, where I gambled more than I could afford. And that's not good. that's why you know all of this conversation about gambling and you know and legal gambling and it's why some of the stuff from ted leonis in the you know in the last couple of years has been off-putting to people like me who understand so much more than clearly he does unless he's just being completely disingenuous you know to suggest as he did in those early days that this gives people kind of the opportunity to you know generate income and you know almost have like a career like really smart data driven people analytics driven people i mean it's just so either disingenuous or incredibly incredibly ignorant and and naive but anyway uh if you want to bet the nba playoffs go to my bookie dot com or my

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