The Kevin Sheehan Show - Dotson Traded!

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

Kevin and Thom today break down the Commanders trade with the Eagles that sent Jahan Dotson and a 5th round pick to Philly for a 3rd round plus two 7th round picks in 2025. They also discussed the trade for Cleveland kicker Cade York and the release of Riley Patterson. Add to that, Kliff Kingsbury said that Kaz Allen reminds him of Deebo Samuel. The boys reacted to that as well. Some Nats, Brady on Belichick, and a lot more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. Big news today.

And we will certainly be focused on the trade of Jahan Dotson. And before that happened, they traded for a kicker. So a lot of football discussion on the show today. But Tommy, you know, mentioned to me before we got. started. I'm just having a shitty day, he said. So we'll find out about that to start the show here in a moment. A show who's presenting sponsor, as always, is Windon Nation. Call them at 86690 Nation or head to Windonation.com. Mention my name for a free, no obligation in home estimate. Let me just mention if you missed Cooley yesterday on the podcast, he broke down film-wise Jaden Daniels two pre-season

appearances. And I also had some of my Dan Quinn interview on the podcast yesterday, although you can hear that in its entirety at the team 980.com or by downloading the Odyssey app. It's funny, Tommy, I wake up this morning. I'm, you know, putting the Quinn stuff together because I recorded the interview yesterday with him. And I'm putting together everything to send to my producer Denton. And then I see that they've traded for a kicker. And I think, I think I had five minutes close to, now about four minutes worth of conversation with Dan Quinn about the kicker on the show yesterday. And I basically got to the point after listening to it where I just had to edit all of

it out because it was just, you know, as we say in the trade, it was dated. You know, there had been much bigger news and updated news. and the stuff that we were talking about yesterday didn't make any sense, and he didn't give me any hint that this was coming. But before we get to the Jahan Dotson trade, what's wrong with you today? You seem very grouchy when I called you to start this podcast recording. Well, I got to tell you, I feel beaten down physically. Beaten up, beaten down.

Why? The last couple of days on Tuesday, I went to the dentist. It seemed like I was in the chair for a couple of hours. hours, and it was like a scene at a marathon man. I felt like Dustin Hoffler when I was sitting there. I almost started to scream, yes, it's safe. It's safe. Please stop. It was brutal.

I don't know the movie. I know that I know the marathon. I know Marathon Man was a movie in the 70s. I don't think I saw it. There's a lot of 70s movies. There's a classic scene where they're torturing him in a dentist's chair. and they want to know some information, and they keep asking them, is it safe? Is it safe?

Okay. It's what the movie is remembered for. You should watch it sometimes. The pretty good movie. So many great movies from the 70s, right? I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. The Godfather would be obviously number one. That's 70s.

Jaws would probably be number two. Am I right? I would say Godfather 2 would be number of China Town China Town would be number 3 then Shaw's and then Star Wars And then Star Wars, right One flew over the cuckoo's nest One of the big, that's such a great Nicholson movie

So And you know, this never happened to me before And I'm going to complain to the dentist That it's like a dental factory You know it's not like one of these like one dentist in an office kind of thing. And they had to put a filling in, a temporary filling. So they had the dental assistant finish the job.

Right. Not the dentists. Yeah. Now that's never happened to me before. Well, what about for a normal sort of dental, you know, teeth cleaning appointment, it's always the dental assistant. I know that. Yes.

This was work that was done. He did the work, but the final work that had to be done, the actual putting in of the temporary filling. Yeah. And, you know, the dental assistant did. And she was rough. She was rough on you. She was. Oh, really rough.

Uh-huh. You know, I mean, pulling on my cheek and pull and pull my chin down. I felt exhausted when I got out of that dentist's chair. And then the next day, yesterday, I had to get the needle in my eye. Oh, God. Nobody wants to hear this needle in your eye thing anymore. I mean, I might have to edit this out. But that's what I had done.

Oh, my God, stop. Nobody wants that. Every time you say that. Oh, come on. You ask what happened? You asked why I didn't feel good. You should have just said, and I have to tell you that I had that eye procedure, you know, the one that you don't want me to talk about. Oh, my.

It's not even me, although it is me. I get squeamish with anything related to the eyes. It's one of the reasons I've never had LASIC. I still wear glasses because I didn't want LASIC. I don't like anybody touching my eyes, but a needle in the eye, my God, every time you say that, I get 15. tweets going, I had to... It sounds worse than it is. No, it... No, it's awful.

Let me finish. And now my allergies have picked in full bore. You know, I can't hear. My nose feels like it weighs 100 pounds. I got a head full of congestion. I'm exhausted from carrying around all this congestion. And I just feel like a wreck. The only thing missing is a tweet.

wheat from iron. You know, that's all that's missing to really cap off the last few days. Let me just say that the dentist chair, it definitely produces for me a lot of the time, a feeling of, man, I just went through the grinder for the last 40 minutes. Yeah. I think everybody feels that way when they get out. You know, I've talked to my dentist before about this, and the dental hygienist about this. I am pretty good in that I get in that chair. I don't require a lot of, you know, hand up in the air, let me rinse or let me do this.

I suck it up and I'm like, let's get through this thing. I don't want a lot of delays. I'm not going to interrupt you. And, you know, one of the best things they've done, you know, last 10 years, I don't know. I'm not a dental technology. person, but once they got the suction thing that stays in your mouth when they're doing the cleaning, because I, I produce a lot of saliva. There's something that I would bet most of you

didn't think you'd get from me on the podcast. I produce a lot of saliva, which without that, you know, suction in there was always like, oh, God, I need to get up. I need to spit, whatever. But now, I actually handle the suction. Like as they're working on, I move it around to get where the saliva is coming. So I'm able to start. They asked me five times, everything okay, you need a break? Nope. And I'm out of there.

Now, I've had a bunch of work. I've had, you know, different things done bridges and, you know, I've had multiple root canals. I told you about the time that I went in and I'm pretty sure the guy did the wrong. tooth because the next day I had to go back and he's like, well, you got a second root. You need a second root canal and I'm like, or maybe you did the wrong tooth yesterday. That may have been part of it. There was no admission from him. So I just went with it. I mean, how would I know? Right. But anyway, no, there's a lot of times you get out of that dental chair. And man, you're like, I need a drink. Yeah. I need something to call me down. Yeah.

And I'm like you, I usually, I just suck it up. I don't complain. Right. You know, I get in a chair and, but, you know, I must not go to a progressive enough dentist because I don't have the suction in there the whole time. I think my dentist is kind of ahead of it. I think he is, I think he's got all, I think he does. He's a great dentist. Um, and I've gone to him forever, but that was an absolute must, and it changed the experience for me. But I think there are a lot of people that are truly high maintenance in a dentist chair. I know. I can understand that.

I can understand why they would be. A lot of people have tremendous fear going to the dentist. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, normally I don't have a problem, but it's just, What really unnerved me was the dentist stepping away and the dental assistant finishing the job that normally the dentist would do. Yeah. She ruffed you up. Did you say anything obnoxious when she came in? I was too, no, I was too exhausted.

You're too exhausted? But you didn't, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't, I roll when he left and said, you know. I just wanted to get out of there at that point. I'm going to formulate my response to that thing, but at that point, I just wanted to get out. It added a building. And go get a beer out of the one side of my mouth because the other side of my mouth was numb. That meant some of the beer made it down your throat and some of it just sort of rolled off over your chin and under your shirt. But that's all right. Your shirt usually has a lot of stuff going on on it anyway.

Yes, it does. I had one of my cigar shirts on that day because I was going to go to the cigar bar later on. Okay. So a rough couple of days. My cigar shirts usually have some holes already built into them. Did you share this last couple of day pain with Liz? And did she do anything to help you out? You know, I'm not that kind of – I'm not a share kind of guy, Kevin.

You just shared it with me in our audience. I know. I know because I'm getting paid to share. Oh, that's great. Hey, honey, if you want me to share, you've got to pay. That would go over really well. Well, you know, because, I mean, look, everybody's got their problems and issues, and I'm not the kind of guy to basically put it out there like that,

but it makes for good conversation. And it is why, combined with all that, I think I'd be okay if it wasn't for the allergies now. You know, they just, they've really kicked it. What are the, so this time of year it's the ragweed as we start to get, look, the last couple of days. Oh, my God. To get, just perfect. I slept last night with the windows open.

It was 53 degrees. It was so, it's my favorite weather. It's my favorite time of the year. I mean, part of it is just what comes with. fall weather, football, you know, the rhythm of kind of the fall. Yeah. But I don't think summer is over, you know, not on August 22nd. It's not.

I'm sure we have plenty of summer to go. All right. Let's get to the top story of the day. The news actually broke when I was on the air this morning on radio. And that is that the team traded Jahan Dotson to, Philadelphia, along with a fifth round pick, for a third round pick and two seventh rounders back. So if you just kind of look at the fifth rounder that went to Philly and the two seventh rounders that they got back, they kind of cancel each other out. So really what they got for

Jahan Dotson was a third round pick. So I'll start on this, Tommy. This has been coming for a while. I mean, I remember a couple of weeks ago when we first started to talk about it, and I said, I'm making a situation out of this because I think it is a situation, but maybe I'll look foolish in a couple of weeks when he makes the team and he has eight catches for 100 yards in the opener. I've been a fan of Jehan Dotsons. You know, we're going to get to the Rivera angle on this. We're going to get to the draft, you know, angle. We're going to get to, you know, what's next, et cetera. but I actually think Jahan Dotson can play.

You know, I think he is a deep threat. Cooley talked about Jahan Dotson yesterday and said he's still probably their best vertical threat. He's a really good route runner. But it has been very, it has been very obvious over the last three weeks in all of our conversations. And reading between the lines with what Dan Quinn has said and, you know, talking to a few people as well, that this fit was not right. You know, Quinn never openly or directly threw him under the bus, which if he had, that would have been stupid if the plan had been to trade him.

But what he did do every time he was asked about wide receiver 2 or even specific to John Dodson's positioning with the wide receiver depth chart, is he kept saying, you know, over and over again, you know, after Terry, we got a lot of guys here and we got to see the competitive moments. We got to see the urgency. You know, last week in a question that I think Nikki Javala asked to Dan about John Dotson specifically, he even said, we need to see him, you know, run out the route, you know, even if he's not getting the ball.

He's got to play the play like he is getting the ball. And I said on that show right after that comment, I said anybody that's ever, played sports, coach sports. You know what he's saying in that moment. It was so clear, and that is, I need Jahan to hustle more. I need to see this guy on the floor diving for loose balls. You know, and we haven't gotten that from him yet.

And he tried to lump it into just a lot of other players, but the question was asked specifically about him. And so what happened? Well, what happened was there wasn't, in urgency. There wasn't hustle. And this is what they're trying to build culturally. They want guys that are going to play with relentless motors. They want guys that after, you know, a ball is caught by another receiver to block. They want people playing to the whistle. And I'm surprised that Jahan Dotson hasn't become that kind of a player. Maybe he just was not pleased with having to compete

for the number two spot behind Terry. But this has been coming. This was a situation. There was an absolute, you know, disconnect between the way the coaches felt about Jahan's overall fit with the culture they were trying to develop. I don't think it was a talent issue. One of the things that we heard from Quinn multiple times was excellent route runner. He can really, you know, get over the top. But this was more about attitude, you know, for the lack of a better description.

Look, guys like Jamon Davis and Emmanuel Forbes, Quinn's gone out of his way at times to compliment those guys. And he never did it with Jahan. He lumped him into a bunch of people, but, you know, consistently talked about competitive moments, competitive effort, playing with urgency. And so, you know, there was, you know, I mentioned when we first started talking about, about this. Look, they're not going to cut him. They'll trade him because there will be a market for him. And apparently, according to reports, I think Nikki reported this, there were multiple teams interested in Jahan. But the fact that they traded him to the Eagles in the division is another part of this story, because that's odd, although this is the second trade with the Eagles. Remember, Washington

traded their second round pick number 40 overall for 50 and 53. with Philadelphia to allow them to draft Cooper DeGine, the corner from Iowa. So this is the second time Howie Roseman and Adam Peters have done business in just a few months. But when you trade a player that was a first round pick two years ago to a team within the division, you're essentially saying we're not really that concerned about getting burned by this trade. you know now especially given that there were other teams reportedly interested now I don't know what they were offering and maybe the Eagles offer well I would assume the Eagles offer was the best offer because if somebody else outside the division had a better offer you would trade him to that team

so the you know the net third round pick for Jahan was the best offer but you know it says something when you trade a player like that within the division about what the team that's trading that player really thinks. It's just like when Andy Reid traded Donovan McNabb to Washington. Now, that's a quarterback, and that had been, you know, a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback for many years, but he was basically telling you, we don't think he's got anything left. We're not afraid to trade him to a team within our division. And of course, anytime anybody traded with Dan and Bruce or Dan and Vinny, and that was Dan and Bruce, they had a major advantage in those trade. discussions. But, you know, did they get the right price for Jehan? You know, it's funny, on radio,

my first reaction was, I think they did okay. Like when I guessed if they were to trade them, you know, three weeks ago, I said it's a third or a fourth, something like that. But I was surprised at how many people didn't think that Washington did well. I'm going to stick with my initial reaction. I actually think Washington did well in this trade. To get a a third back for a guy that basically was going to be your fourth wide receiver, best case, and who you didn't want as a part of this culture redo. You know, I don't think that you could have done much better than a third for John Dotson. He has hardly lit it up in the first two years, you know?

So, you know, I feel that way about that. I do feel as we sit here recording the podcast mid-afternoon on Thursday, August 22nd. I do kind of feel like there's another shoe to drop here. I can't fathom that they're going to go into the season with Terry McClorn, Diami Brown, Olamidi, Zakias. You know, Luke McAfree is a rookie with Jaden Daniels. It just doesn't seem like it's enough support at wide receiver. But then again, there's the possibility that the scheme isn't going to necessarily need consistently. Three, or four wide receivers. You know, you could see a lot of pistol.

You could see a lot of two tight ends. You could see a lot of two backs with, you know, Echler and Robinson Jr. You know, we don't know what he's planning offensively. But it feels to me like, you know, Iuke Higgins, I wouldn't do Amari Cooper. He's 30 years old. You know, or maybe a receiver that will be released on Tuesday

that they're expecting to be released. Look, there was interest in Brandon Ayuk at one point. Many people have reported that. I had Diana Rusini on the show the other day. She felt like the reason Washington bowed out was that the asking price was too high. And I think a lot of us have heard that. And it's been reported that the 49ers want a lot, which is why Pittsburgh hasn't moved on the deal yet.

My prediction is still that IUC stays in San Francisco, but I do feel like for them to have done this, there's another piece here somewhere. But we'll see. But benefit of the doubt, Kev, is fine with this move. Of course, part of the conversation today, as it should be, is just how dreadful Ron Rivera's first round picks were during his four years here. the idea, remember the line last year, you know, he wants to get his Super Bowl ring because he feels like he's going to leave the next regime with, you know, a really good foundation of players. Well, we thought it was weird then. You know, it's really an embarrassing comment for him. It's one of, I mean, it was so delusional at the time, but it was also so presumptuous. It was pushback about the quarterback.

Yeah, it was. He was getting about the quarterback. Yeah, but. You know, that's what throws that. Chase Young, Jamin Davis, Jahan Dotson, Emanuel Forbes. You know, I did not have a problem with Chase Young. And I think 30 of 32 teams in that situation would have taken Chase Young. Jamon Davis was a reach.

You know, we talked about Christian Darrasaw. They had a need. for a left tackle. There was also the discussion about Elijah Vera Tucker, who was another tackle. They didn't have a chance to take him. Jehan Dodson, let's not forget all of you who said in the moment or even six months or a year after, oh my God, did they fleece New Orleans? You know, moving back and getting Dotson and getting Robinson Jr. and Cole Turner and Sam Howell. you can't judge those things in the moment. You can't even judge them a year afterwards.

Obviously, Washington now got much worse of the deal because Chris Oliva is really good. And the guy that I wanted at 11 overall was Kyle Hamilton, and he's a superstar safety. He might be the best safety in the NFL right now. And they didn't. They traded back. I liked Dodson, and Dodson was a climber.

I thought Dodson had a chance. And then you've got Emmanuel Forbes, you know, who is obviously still a question mark. So disaster in terms of number one picks, first round picks. Let me just tell everybody, Washington's not unique in missing on a lot of first round picks in a row. You can find plenty of examples of it. We're jumping on Ron Rivera just because the overall four years were, you know, him trying to be coach-centric Ron. and he wasn't good at the general manager part, and it impacted his coaching as well.

But look at Belichick's first round draft picks over the last decade. I mean, he's missed on so many. They've drafted very poorly. Now, they've had much later picks, typically. The Raiders have drafted poorly in the first round. There are a bunch of teams that you can find over the course of many years, you know, four years in a row of really messing it up. Look, you only have to go back to, and you and I both love Charlie Casserly,

and some of these picks weren't his. But Desmond Howard, Tom Carter, Heath Schuller, Michael Westbrook, Andre Johnson, Conard Lang. How about that stretch of first-round picks? You know, for an organization that was a much better organization than the one that followed with Dan. So, but look, bottom line is, you know, part of it was just, you know, Ron's, you know, the way he talked about this stuff, too. But doesn't look good at all.

But overall net net, I think a third rounder is okay. And the more important part is they, you know, are trying to build something here and they didn't feel like he fit in. Bottom line, I don't think it was talent. I think it was more personality, et cetera. And we'll see if something else is in the offing. Well, I think you're right. I think that they got probably the best value they were going to get for Dotson in this deal. I think his value had been diminished.

Like you said, he didn't set the world on fire in the time that he was here. And it was clear that Dan Quinn did not have a high opinion of him. in training camp. So to get a third-round pick out of that deal, I think was probably the best that they were going to do. They have to make another move.

You can't... All the short-passing game that you want to do between the tight end and the running backs, you've got to give your rookie quarterback more weapons at wide receiver than what they have. now. So there has to be another

shoe to drop. Okay, so I think that is going to happen. As far as like Rivera, look, I know Ron Rivera was a guy in charge, okay? But unless the two Marties, Marty Hurdy

and Martin Mayhew were found and gagged, they had some input. Yeah. They had some influence in there. That's true. They're still on the payroll. Both of them. Yeah.

That's just stunning when you think about it. Well, I'm not sure Marty Herney's actually on the payroll. I think he's just a consultant, but I guess they are paying him. Yeah, they're paying him. But remember, look, the bottom line is, and we said this throughout, Ron Rivera was hired to be coach-centric Ron. You know, happy Thanksgiving, everybody. and then, you know, our previous owner went into how he had this grand vision of hiring a coach that would handle everything, like it was some new, you know, thing.

And so it's all on Ron's tab. I'm with you. I guarantee you Martin Mayhew and Marty Herney. Look, the first year, it was Kyle Smith's draft board that they used. But, you know, the guys, you know, Tim Gribble, and I'm forgetting who else was, you know, you know, involved in the draft. They're all part of helping, you know, form the franchise opinion that Ron signs off on. Yes.

So, I mean, that's a little strange to me that they're still around. I think it is, if you're a commander's fan, the fact that they were willing to get rid of a player who you probably held in high regard, like Dotson tells you that they have an agenda. They have a plan that they want to implement, and they're not going to let anyone's status on the team get in the way of that. So I think that's a good thing. Yeah, I mean, they're not tied to Dotson.

They're not tied to where any of these players were drafted. Of course not. What will be interesting is in future years, will they be tied to Johnny Newton, who they picked at number two overall when they didn't really need a defensive? tackle if he doesn't work out. How will they behave when they've got a player that, because of course they're going to

have players that don't live up to what they thought when they drafted them, because every team does, and do they stick too long with that player instead of cutting their losses? I don't know. You know, it looks, we have no idea about, Jaden Daniels, you give a lot of, you give a lot of rope to. Yeah, it's, uh... And you know what's kind of surprising?

That Dotson did not develop the way that, I mean, the problems we're talking about with Dotson. I mean, he had a great role model with Terry McLaren. You would think being around Terry McLaren, if you don't hear any of these things ever about Terry McLaren. Right. You know, so it's a little bit disappointing if you're a commander's fan that, you know, that Dotson didn't take that to heart. didn't look at McCorme and say, well, I have to work like that guy works. He had Bobby Engram here this year, too, a Penn State guy is the wide receivers coach.

It's very possible that, you know, Philly is going to be a good fit for him. First of all, it wouldn't surprise me if he is a Philly fan. I think he was a Philly fan. He's on a team that's, you know, loaded. Now, this team is an interesting team in Philadelphia because what we've learned here over the last couple of weeks, is that Nick Siriani and Jalen Hertz were at each other's throats last year, and that may have been a big part of why the Eagles fell apart. I mean, Nick Siriani is on the hottest of seats here,

but they hired Kellan Moore, they brought in Saquan Barkley, they added speed to their defensive backfield where they desperately needed it. They hired Vic Fangio, one of the great defensive minds of this century of pro football. Philadelphia is going forward here, And they didn't have depth at wide receiver behind A.J. Brown and Devante Smith, which, by the way, just, you know, one of the several teams where we need two. You know, you can't have just one good one. You need two good ones. And they have two good ones in Brown and Smith. But Dotson probably becomes, you know, that guy in the slot in Philly. He's got talent. But yes, I think you're right. It's a good sign that they're not tied to anybody. just like it'll be a good sign if Jamin Davis and Emmanuel Forbes make the team because they're not tied to these guys,

which means they legitimately see something in these guys. Because I don't think they give a shit at all that Jamie and Davis and Emmanuel Forbes were first round picks because they weren't their first round picks. Right, right. I agree with that. But that said, like I said before, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think Jane Gaines is going to need more help at wide receiver, no matter how limited the offense may be. Well, when you say limited, how much they focus maybe on run game and quick game and read option and all of that.

Yeah, I mean, look, there are formations even in the NFL, watch Lamar Jackson with multiple backs and two tight ends and a full back, although they don't have a full back on this team. So let's be clear about that. So I don't see them in some of these formations that, you know, we've seen teams like Baltimore in where you've got, you know, essentially one wide receiver, two tight ends, two backs. I guess you could see, you know, Echlor and Robinson, but we're not going to know until we see the regular season. I, yeah, I'm fine with this. I wanted to, we're going to get to the kicker situation in the next segment. But I just wanted to share this story once again for those that didn't hear.

it, I think I told you this story. But when Ryan, my youngest, graduated from Penn State in 22, two years ago, we were at graduation and, you know, it's a big graduation, you know, and there are multiple graduations at big state schools like that. And he was in the same, you know, major same school as Johan Dotson was. And so, you know, we're in this arena and they're announcing names to get up and, you know, we're in. you know, they're walking across the stage, being handed the diploma, and Ryan Sheehan comes across, gets his diploma, and you just start hearing a loud cheer.

And he's still on the stage, and he's walking towards the stage. And the next person following Ryan was John Dodson. I think I've told you this story before. And the cheering is, and I turned to my wife, and I just said, he's really popular, honey. He's made an impression here in the four years, and he's become a real popular kid. You should be proud. And she's like, I can't believe it.

I cannot believe. He got this salvation. And it really wasn't clear because the cheering started almost as he got the diploma. He's still on the stage walking as Johan Dotson's getting his. And I did tell Jahan the story because I had Jahan on the show a couple of times. and he said, oh yeah. And I almost went up and introduced myself to him that day because he had already been drafted by Washington, but he was with his family and I didn't want to bother him. But I did tell my wife maybe a couple of minutes later, just so you know, sweetheart, that wasn't for Ryan. What do you mean? That was Jahan Dotson. He's the first round pick of the skins and was a really good wide receiver this year for the football team.

and she wasn't happy that I let it go on for a little while. It was a nice moment, though. It was a nice moment, yeah. And not that Ryan didn't deserve a standing ovation. All right, let's get to the kicker trade. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show is brought to you by MyBooky. My bookie's got everything for college football weekend, zero, they call it.

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And there's no doubt, as we have talked about the last week and a half since the first preseason game, they want to find a place on this roster for Kaz Allen. They want him back there on returns, and they want a place for him. Here is a quote from Cliff Kingsbury today about Kaz Allen. quote, he has explosive traits that remind me of a Debo Samuel type player. Oh my God. Wow. Do they love Kaz Allen?

Now, he fumbled last week, and it was not a good fumble. And Quinn talked about giving him more opportunities on punt returns against New England. I wonder whether or not he needs a big return on Sunday. night against New England just to make everybody feel comfortable that what they've seen and what they believe he can do, he actually can do. But, I mean, comparing him to Debo Samuel? Really? Well, they're not cutting a guy who they compare to Debo Samuel. You wouldn't think so, but let me just say, that's not a great comparison, in my opinion. Debo Samuel is big and strong and violent as a player.

I mean, maybe Kaz Allen's that. Look, the last regime, Ron and company were trying to figure out a way to keep Kaz Allen on the team. They noticed clearly his explosiveness, and they couldn't find a spot. I think they called him up late in the year, and he was on the practice squad. But there is no question that they're trying to get Kaz Allen on this roster. and if he makes the roster as a running back, I really do think that Chris Rodriguez is in trouble come Tuesday of making this team.

Because I don't know this for sure, but I wonder if there are similar sentiments about him as there have been about Jahan Dotson. We'll see. Cut-down date Tuesday, 70, 90 to 53, and then obviously the much larger practice squad that they'll start to fill up, et cetera. But they are really looking for Kaz Allen to make this team

and trying to figure out how they can have some true data in a preseason game to say, all right, that's what he can do. We've known it all along. We've seen it now. Let's put him on the team. So early this morning, Cade York, kicker for the Cleveland Browns,

one season in 2022. Practice squad, a couple of teams, and then back to Cleveland to compete with Dustin Hopkins. He was never going to win that job this summer because they extended Dustin Hopkins with a three-year contract. Cade York, who was 24 of 32 for the Browns in 2017, big leg kicked a 58-yarder, but 75% on field goals. You're always going to be looking for somebody new. They traded for him.

They sent a seventh round conditional pick to the Brown. for Cade York. This was something that I also suggested is that don't be surprised if they trade a conditional seventh for a kicker. And the condition is he makes the team. You know, I'm assuming that's the condition. I don't know that for fact, but a conditional seventh rounder is probably based on him making the team and maybe even, you know, being on the roster for a certain number

of games. But I would suggest to everybody that it is a lot of. over. Like, so in my interview with Dan Quinn yesterday, as I mentioned, had to cut out a few minutes of it because it was about the kicker, it was about the kicker Riley Patterson, who they released this morning. And it just was dated. But one of the things he said is this is going to be a fluid situation through the first couple of weeks. And you see this all the time. Look, we've lived through it with, you know, the likes of Johnson and blew it and everybody that they tried, you know, after after cutting Dustin Hopkins in 2021.

And we ended up with Joey Sly for a while. Joey Sly could be available or Chad Rylan could be available in New England. But anyway, they're going to have kickers next week that are added via the waiver wire that will compete with Cade York next week before the opener that may stay on the practice squad. Now, when you claim a player off waivers, that player actually needs to be on the 53-man roster. So what you'd probably likely see is as part of the practice squad that gets filled up after you go down to 53, you'd see a kicker or two potentially on the practice squad that they add. I'm just saying that I would not wager much money on Cade York being the kicker here for seven.

games. You know, a guy that goes 24 or 32 in the one season he has and has bounced around since has not inspired a lot of confidence in anybody. He's got a big leg, and that's one of the attractive things about Cade York. But they're just, they're trying to figure it out here. You know, they had a plan. The plan was Brandon McManus, and they signed him to a deal, and then had to cut him. And this is a big deal for this team, who I do think, think we'll play some close games this year. Every team does. It's a huge deal.

It's a huge deal for them. And I think, you know, it seems like they had a bit of a sense of urgency to make this move now when there will be kickers available. They obviously, they didn't want this guy to be out there available, right? So that's a good question, Tommy, because several of you guys reached out to me and said, Why they have to trade a pick for him, they could have just picked him up off the waiver wire on Tuesday. Yes, they could have because he's a waiver wire eligible player because he doesn't have four accrued seasons in the NFL. I think the reason they did it is they wanted to see him today, tomorrow, Saturday, and Sunday in a preseason game.

Yeah, I think that's why they did it. And it's a conditional seventh rounder. So if he doesn't make the team, if they cut him lose, which is a possibility or if he doesn't kick in enough games, I guess, they get that seventh rounder back. I've not seen the details of that. I don't know if they've been shared.

I was looking for that earlier. Haven't found that, but that's typically what a seventh round conditional is. It's conditional on the player ending up playing for you. And if he doesn't, then you get that seventh rounder back and he's available for everybody else. But no, I think it's a good point, you know, but I think the answer would be they wanted to see him now,

and they wanted to move on from Riley Patterson now. And they did. Yeah, they did, but you're right. If this team, look, I know with your 10-win total, you've really taken the Mr. Benefit of the doubt mode here. but not only are the most of the books have a six and a half over under on their wind toll this year but the athletic came out with rankings of wind totals this year and they have the commanders at the bottom at 5.9. Say that again.

What is the athletic have? The commanders have ranked, did a win total analysis of all the teams this year. and they have the commanders at the bottom of the list at 5.9 wins. I don't look at Washington's roster and think of them as the worst team in the NFL, if that's what you're saying. Look, I think these things are kind of ridiculous, especially given the turnover that you've had here and a whole new coaching staff. I think you're grasping its straws to try to come up with some kind of win total.

generally my philosophy is when you have a whole new coaching staff, you're not going to win a lot of games. No, I mean, I don't have the data in front of me in terms of first year head coaches. And, you know, we've seen first year head coaches get to the postseason. We saw it last year. Right. I know. With Damico Ryans in Houston. But, you know, Houston's over under last.

year was five and a half games before the season started. So they were predicted, you know, consistently across the board to be one of the two worst teams in the league, or three worst teams. I think it was Arizona, Carolina, and Houston were pretty much across the board predicted to be the worst teams in the league. I've seen Washington, you know, way down there. Okay, that's fine. But my point is, by the way, you shouldn't get much love coming off 4 and 13. But go ahead. What's your point? No. Well, my point is to do better than that, they're going to have to win some close games, probably. Yes. Of course. Yes. Yes. I mean, I think, who told me this recently?

I forget who I had on the show that said that something like 70% of the games in the NFL basically come down to a one-square. when you get to the fourth quarter, that seems a high for me. But look, I consider every year I think of the NFL as a couple of teams that will emerge as truly elite, a couple of teams that will emerge as truly awful. And then everybody else, 25 teams roughly every year, are, you know, good health and a good bounce away from a good season and bad health and a bad bouncer to a, away from, you know, a subpar season. And I think Washington's in that group of 25 teams.

And obviously the wild card, and they have a wild card, a legitimate wild card. It's Jaden Daniels. If he is ready, as ready as people think he might be, and he ends up having a better than average rookie quarterback season, Washington's going to be massively improved. Four and 13 was what they deserved, but I don't think it was truly reflective of the roster that they had heading into the season. If Jayden Daniels is your wild card, and I agree with you, you better give us some other cards to play. Yeah. That's why I mean, by the time some of you listen to this podcast, maybe the other wide receiver shoe drops. Because I agree with you.

I think, you know, I look at them and I'm like, okay, Diami Brown, we've seen this in preseason with Diami Brown a lot. But, you know, the one thing we have to understand is different coaching staff, different scheme. Sometimes players are just one scheme change away from blowing up into really good players. Diommy Brown's got talent. It's just that what we've seen is we've seen a guy that's never done it in the regular season with the exception of one game against Tennessee with Carson Wentson quarterback. You know, Olamidi Zakias is a journeyman player. Now, they love him.

They love his IQ, but he's been around for a while and he's never been spectacular. Far from it. We know what Jameson Crowder is. We have an idea that Luke McCaffrey's got some talent and ability, but haven't, you know, it's not like we're being given, you know, clues. that they're really, really gungho on Luke McCaffrey being a big part of the first three receivers. Right now, it would seem to me it's Terry McLaren, Diami Brown, and Olomidi Zichias. And those are the top three receivers.

You do have a true number one, which is good news in Terry. But, you know, good defensive teams can take away your true number one. And then what do you have? Well, you got Zach Ertz. You know, look, Cliff Kingsbury and Dan Quinn and Adam Peters might be saying, nobody realizes how healthy and what a weapon Zach Ertz is going to be. Nobody realizes how good Ben Sin it is, you know, the guy that plays just like Kooley. We saw some of that in the preseason games. You know, nobody understands that we got this guy, Kaz Allen, who is Debo Samuel-like.

And I know how they feel because I, I think. think it's already obvious that they feel very good about Brian Robinson, Jr. They clearly feel very good about their quarterback. So maybe they're looking at it and they're thinking, we're actually okay. And we're okay for this year. You know, Ben's made the case to me, Ben Standing. Nothing is about this year. It's about next year. That's why all of these one-year deals exist with the free agents. That's why, you know, they traded back in the second round, added, you know, added some players and, you know, they kept all their draft picks, they added to them, etc. That's why you're getting picks for next year for Jahan Dotson,

because next year is where they're going to start to really add pieces that make themselves a contender. I don't buy that personally. It's not that I think they believe they can contend for anything, but I don't, you know, I think there's statements of, you know, we don't talk rebuild, we talk recalibrate. I think they look at what they have and they feel like they can make a major turnaround with what they have and how they'll coach the team. And what they added, remember, the offensive line is going to be three-fifths different. The defense is going to have five to six new starters potentially. This is not the same team as last year's team.

And I would be surprised if you injected Truth Serum into Kingsbury Witt Jr. and Dan Quinn, and they said, yeah, we're not going to be very good this year. Once Adam gets, you know, another draft under his belt and another free agent class, we're going to be ready to take off. I think they think they can compete this year, not for the Super Bowl, you know, not for maybe even a division title, but for nine wins and a wild card birth, I think every NFL season allows that for most teams in terms of being able to dream that way. Go ahead, what? I think they should want to be able to compete.

for this year. I know nobody likes to let the football side bleed into the business side, but Josh Harrison Company had to sit on their hands last year and watch that debacle on the field and basically do nothing about it. I don't think you're interested in another season as passive bystanders. I think you want to put a competitive feel on the team for these home fans. Like you said, doesn't mean a contending team, but a competitive team. Yeah, I mean, I don't even know that coaches in front offices think that way, unless you're truly in rebuild mode, you know, like Cleveland was a few years ago, like the dolphins pretended to be there for a moment, like New England is.

Like, New England would be the example right now, you know, because they realize what all of us realize. The NFL is really fickle. It's very unpredictable. And again, there's a group of basically three quarters of the teams that can make the playoffs if everything goes their way. And I think they're in that group. And that doesn't mean it will go their way. And it doesn't mean that if things go their way that they'll end up with 10 or 11,

they might just end up with their nine major improvement, but they might have a chance. and look, a lot of this is going to come down to Jane Daniels. To Jane Daniels, the quarterback, yeah. I would say one other thing real quickly about the trade of Dotson because I've seen a lot of you reach out to say, this really kind of puts it on Adam Peters. He put it out there. He traded a former first round pick to a divisive.

vision rival, he better be right. I would just say this. I think that Adam Peters is going to be judged on two individuals, and anything else he does is way down the list. Jaden Daniels and Dan Quinn. That's how he's going to be judged. Now, we do get a chance to see a lot of these moves and a clean slate that included six draft choices and a lot of cap space, and it'll have a lot of cap space next year and a lot of draft choices. So it'll be faster in our ability to evaluate him. But it's Daniels 1 and Quinn 2 that he's really going to be measured on. By the way, I'm just seeing this for the first time.

Seth Walder, Ben Solac, the advanced guys at ESPN just put out their story, you know, grading the trade. And they gave the Eagles of B-minus and why. Washington and A-minus. That's how I think getting a net third round pick from Philly for a player who was probably going to be the fourth receiver on your team and didn't fit into the culture, I thought was pretty good. I felt that way in the moment.

I still feel that way now. I agree with you. Not that their evaluation is the end-all be-all, but I was kind of looking for, you know, when these trades get made, you get a lot of the people who spend a lot of. time thinking about this to grate it out immediately. And they grade it out as Washington having gotten the better of the deal. I kind of agree with that. Look, Philly's also in the mode of they are expected to win 11, 12 games and be a Super Bowl contender out of the NFC with San Francisco and Detroit. All right. A few other things to finish up on. Tommy wrote a

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looking for emotional comfort and occasionally an emotional rescue, said the Rolling Stones. All right. I wanted to, Tommy's column, he basically told me during the break, we've kind of already talked about it. But I wanted, I had this story. So Tom Brady was asked during an interview with Stephen A recently, I think it was earlier this week, why Bill Belichick did not get a job in the offseason. And he said, quote, I think without a doubt he's the greatest coach to ever coach in the history of the NFL. And sitting in a meeting room with him for 20 years, there is no coach that I felt more prepared by than coach Bill Belichick. If I would look at any of these organizations who have any head coaching vacancies, Bill Belichick to me is a no-brainer. Now, he's going to come,

and he's going to be authoritative, and he's going to have his own way, of doing things and you've got to be okay with that. But when I'm looking at a coach to prepare a team, he's an incredible coach. So he essentially was saying, you know, you got to turn over all control to Belichick, which I think was kind of known, whether it was Arthur Blank in Atlanta who decided not to,

whether it was Josh Harrison company. Remember, Magic Johnson apparently was very much in favor of Billiuch. given what we've seen here in where are we now seven months since january basically seven months of adam peters dan quinn etc should Washington fans have any regret if belichick would have been interested in taking the job i think Washington fans could have some regret if i was the owner Josh Harris, I don't think I'd have any regret because you didn't buy this football team just to sit back and have a nice seat in the owner's suite.

You know? You want to be part of rebuilding this team. You want to have a voice. I mean, you don't want to be the main decision maker necessarily, but you want to have a voice, and I think all voices are silent, except Bill Belichick when you have Belichick as your head coach.

But I think Washington fans will always wonder that. Look, I think they could wonder almost the same thing about Jim Arbaugh. You do realize, because I did Twitter polls on this, I did call segments on this, you know, during those early parts of January. Our fan base didn't want anything to do with Harbaugh and nothing to do with Belichick. And I remember going off one day. I'm like, are you people insane? You're not interested in Bill Belichick? Yeah.

But can I just say, I'm pleased with what's going on. I think they got the number one general manager candidate. We'll see if it ends up proving to be that he was worthy of being the top general manager candidate on the market. They got a head coach who I know they really liked that Adam Peters and Josh Harris really liked from the jump. I'm a Dan Quinn fan. You know, would I prefer an offensive guy if an offensive guy had really been available? Maybe, but I'm okay with Dan Quinn, but I understand they wanted some functional, traditional structure to an organization that didn't have any of that for 25 years. Right. But Belichick, man, I would have been really, really excited, even

if they had to give him total control, although he was not very good with player personnel. I mean, like I mentioned earlier, just go look at New England's drafts. Yeah. If you have a problem with Rivera's, which you should. Nobody. I mean, if I had been a lot of these teams that had openings this year,

I still think he's going to coach next year. I think he's going to coach the Cowboys next year, because the Cowboys will do the same thing. they'll win 11 or 12 games, they'll bow out in the first round, and it'll be over for McCarthy. I know he stuck with Jason Garrett all those years, but I think Belichick could end up in Dallas. By the way, have we talked about this? He stuck with Jason Garrett in part because Jason Garrett was a cowboy. Yeah, I understand that, but Jason Garrett-

Mike McCarthy's not a cowboy. Okay. But Mike McCarthy is a Super Bowl-winning country. coach and Jason Garrett never got close to that. I mean, I think for Jerry, it was harder to fire Jason Garrett than it would be to fire Michael McCarthy. Right. I don't know if we've talked about this or not, but I'm really looking forward to this football season and being able to listen to Bill Belichick analyze it in all the different places he's going to be. I think he's going to be great, and I think we're going to learn a lot. I think he'll be the opposite personality. wise than he was when he was a coach. What do you think? I think it's possible.

Look, some of the people who like Belichick personally, you know, one of his closest friends was Jim Brown. I know. I mean, Jim Brown could, would not put up with an asshole like Bill Belichick, the coach.

He can't be the same guy. Right. When he's away, when he's away from running a team. He's got to have some personality that attracts people, to him. So yeah, I think it'll be very interesting to watch him and Brady both in broadcast roles. I'm less interested in Brady than I am in Belichick. I'm not saying that Brady won't be

great, but I don't know. I would not wager on whether or not Brady's really good at this or not. I would wager that Belichick ends up being incredible season long. We've already had a lot. We've already had a lot of headline stuff with him already. And he's not even working full-time yet. He's going to be on the Manning cast. He's going to be on the weekly NFL show, which now got moved to, I forget what network from HBO or wherever it was recently. And I just think he, I think he's so smart that he realizes, if I'm going to be good at this, I got to be honest. I got to say it like it is, even if I risk pissing some people off. So we'll see.

I think so. Okay. All right. You wanted to mention the Nats win last night? I think you wanted to. Yeah, the Nats win. Mitchell Parker, pit six shutout innings wound up going into the seventh. It was an impressive performance for the young pitcher who was destroyed in its previous start.

Okay. But you're going to have this with rookie pitchers. You know, you're going to have great outings. You're going to have bad outings as they learn the league and the hitters. You had too many bad outings recently from McKenzie Gore, so that's an issue. But generally, guys like DJ Hertz and Mitchell Parker, you've seen some good, you've seen some bad, but the good is so good. It's very promising as they move forward.

and September will be fun to watch the Nationals if indeed they do call up some of the young players in September like Cruz and maybe even Brady House who's been on fire at AAA for them in Rochester Well, why wouldn't they call them up? Why wouldn't they call them up? I can't see any reason why they wouldn't. By the way, you're talking about last night's game.

Today's game just went final, and that's one again. They beat the Rockies 8 to 3. And listen to this. Patrick Corbyn, six innings, one earned run, just four hits allowed, eight strikeouts. Wow. And James Woodhead, too are you guys. They're not going to hold any parades for Corbyn this year except one to show him the door. Right. All right. Very good. Good job. An active day. Who knows what will happen now.

next. I'll be here tomorrow. We've got a college football game, could have a smell test on the pick. Tim Murray's going to join me on the show. We'll preview the college football season on tomorrow's show, and I'm sure there will be more football team news to discuss as well. All right, Tommy, good job. I'll talk to you on Tuesday. All right, boss. Take care. Back tomorrow, everybody. To the end zone touchdown!