The Kevin Sheehan Show - Draft Recap: Positions Filled

Episode Date: May 3, 2021

Kevin recapped the Washington Football Team draft and then brought on Doc Walker for his thoughts on the draft and more. RG3 took a shot at Kirk Cousins and the Wizards lost to Dallas but Russell Westbrook was sensational in defeat.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheyen Show. Here's Kevin. No coolly today on the show. I apologize for that. He apologizes for that.

He's just not 100% guys. Last week, he was not 100%. He had knee surgery. It's been painful for him. And he wants to come on when he's able to really prepare. And he just hasn't been able to do that. here over the last few days. So we will wait for him to be totally prepared. And whether it's tomorrow or Wednesday or later in the week, when he comes on, he'll be ready to roll. But

I'm not going to push it. I pushed him on this show Friday. And he was feeling better in the moment, but I don't think he's feeling well enough to do the show today. Doc Walker will be on this show with us today. So we will get Doc's thoughts coming up in roughly 20, 25 minutes. We'll get Doc's thoughts on the draft. I'm going to handle sort of the draft recap solo until we get Doc on. I also will talk a little bit later on in the show about the Wizards Mavericks game on Saturday night. And what I think was one of the best individual performances by a Wizards player in years. I did want to say up front for those that have asked why on like a draft weekend, I don't do an extra show.

When it comes to, you know, the recaps of games, you know, you've noticed, obviously, since I went back to radio two years ago, that I can't do a late Sunday night, you know, podcast after a game or an early Monday morning. And the same goes for the draft. And the reason is I actually, you know, have a commitment to the radio station to provide that content on those bigger days, more important days where we have. you know, a significant increase in listenership to do it on the radio show first. By the way, on the radio show this morning, we had Greg Minoski on the show.

Manusky is a defensive quality assistant coach at the University of Kentucky this year. He coached Jamon Davis. You can go find that on the Team 980.com or the Odyssey app and listen to that interview. I'm not going to sit here and tell you it's the greatest interview I've ever done or been a part of, but there was some information that he gave out related to Jamon Davis that I think you would all find interesting. Specifically, I'll give you one particular piece of info that he shared with us, and that is he was very, very surprised that Jamie Davis ran a sub-4-440. He didn't think he was that fast. But he did say he's a great kid and went into what his strengths are, what his

weaknesses are, et cetera, you can listen to that on the team 980.com on the podcast, which the radio show gets podcasted every day as well. I wanted to start with this, something that, to be honest with you, wasn't even a thing for me over the weekend until I got in this morning and my producer, Brendan, on the radio show, said, are you as upset as everybody else is, or a lot of people are, that Washington drafted a long snapper in the sixth round. And I said, should I be? Why? Is this guy not very good? What's the deal? And he said, no, no, no.

They're just, a lot of fans are really upset that they wasted a draft choice on a long snapper. And it didn't even occur to me on Saturday watching the draft. In fact, if you listen to the show Friday with Cooley, I'd suggested, as part of the part of my 10, you know, thoughts, predictions of what would happen over the weekend. And on Thursday, going back to Thursday, I predicted that they would take a long snapper in this draft. And Cooley said, no, no, no, they don't need to do that. You don't draft a long snapper. You can get one as an undrafted free agent. They released, if you recall, Nick Sundberg after, you know, how many years Nick Sunberg was with the organization, 10 plus, somewhere around there.

so they had a need for a long snapper. It never occurred to me to be distraught over Washington selecting a long snapper. They had a significant need. And when this player came off the board, I'm pretty sure it was Todd McShay on ESPN that said, this guy is really good. And he followed in that round, in that sixth round, Thomas Fletcher, who was selected by Carolina out of Alabama as a long snapper. Fletcher went, I think, three players before, four players before.

Fletcher went at 38, and then Cheeseman went at 41. So three players earlier, he went. And McShea was really high on Fletcher as a long snapper. And then when Washington took Cheesman, Cameron Cheesman from Michigan, a couple of spots later, he was very high on him too. And so, you know, between Kuyper and McShay, they know who these guys are. They know who these guys are and know whether or not they're going to be drafted. They had video of the guy.

I mean, they had a bunch of stuff on the guy. They were expecting the possibility that Cheeseman would be drafted. Now, when I, on Thursday or Friday said to Cooley, I think they're going to draft a long snapper. And he said, no, no, no, they can get one as an undrafted free agent. The thing that neither one of us pointed out, and it's very, significant as to perhaps why two long snappers were drafted. This draft was light on quality draftable players. A lot of college players opted back in to the next college season because they could because of COVID. And this draft was a draft that was thought to be beyond the fifth round,

really slim pickings. Next year's draft will be back to normal, if not even more significant, because a lot of the players that may have been in this year's draft will be in next year's draft as well. And so because of that, what you did see is you saw a lot of teams trying to trade up earlier in the draft. Baltimore traded into the fifth round, and they were done. They shut down their draft after the fifth round.

They did not have a sixth round pick. They did not have a seventh round pick. pick, they were done. A lot of teams were trying to trade up. Now, the rub in trying to trade up was that other teams wanting to trade back or allowing a trade up weren't going to ask for picks this year. They were going to get picks next year. So if there was a player that you were like, oh my God, this guy would usually be a sixth round pick, but he's going to be a fifth round pick this year because at the back portions of this draft, it's really light on. quality players.

Teams were trying to move up. Washington moved up into the sixth round. They made a trade with Philadelphia. They took on Philadelphia, an additional Philadelphia seventh rounder and had to give up next year's fifth to move into the sixth with the Eagles to select this guy Cheeseman.

Look, they had a need because Sunberg isn't there. The draft wasn't going to produce, in a lot of people's opinions, you know, a lot at the back end of the draft. Maybe they felt like our chances of getting a cam curl this year in the seventh round aren't nearly as good as they will be, you know, as they would be in a normal draft. And we really need this guy. And this guy's really good.

And by the way, the undrafted free agents, because they're slim pickings too, we're not going to be able to find one. So I don't have a problem with it at all. It's funny, it just never occurred to me when they selected him that there would be an issue with it. I knew what Cooley said, but I think also we did a poor job late last week describing why maybe there was an increased possibility of somebody like Cheeseman being taken this year. It's the same thing with a certain position. If a team really liked a player that instead of a few players in the sixth or seventh round, like they might in typical years, they may have traded up to try to get that player to ensure that they got that player.

So anyway, long snapper, I didn't really have an issue with that. What about the rest of the draft? There's one player in particular that I predicted would be selected by this team or I threw it out as a player that they really liked. They picked him, and I'm going to tell you why I think that this player may be the most significant contributor right off the bat when we come back right after this word from one of our sponsors. Washington drafted 10 players over the weekend.

They drafted Jamon Davis in the first round, and then on Friday night, they added three additional players, one in the second round, two and the third. We'll get to those in a moment. They added a fourth rounder, a fifth rounder, a sixth rounder, the one player we have talked about on the show today, Cameron Cheeseman, the long snapper, who is an absolute lock to make the team, unless somehow he gets the yips in mini-camp or in training camp or in preseason games. But he's the absolute lock to be a starter next year as the long snapper. And then they had three seventh round picks where they took flyers on a linebacker, a defensive

end, and a wide receiver. As I've mentioned many times, you know, the grading of a draft is almost as ridiculous as the predicting of a draft. It is such a total crapshoot. Teams that have a 35 to 40% hit rate somewhere in there on a total draft. And the hit rate meaning, you know, you look at it three years down the road and 35% of the players are still on your roster contributing in sort of a significant way. That's a good draft. So, you know, Washington drafted 10 players. If they can get four of them three years from now to be significant contributors, it was a good draft. It was an excellent draft. Look, they have drafted better in recent years, and I think we're all sort of proud of the fact that finally the draft has produced some

real standouts. Starting with that 2017 draft, you know, when they started drafting defensive lineman, you know, John Allen, you know, it was a big producer and Chase Ruiye. But really, here we are four years later. And out of that draft, really, two, two significant contributors, Alan and Chase Ruey, and really not one star in that draft. That was a draft of 10 players as well. So overall, you would go back and say about the 2017 draft. I mean, Ryan Anderson was on the team, but he wasn't a starter this last year. You would go back and probably grade, you know, four years, three years after the fact, the 2017 draft as like a C-minus.

I mean, Sprinkle played, but Sprinkle was never a major contributor. Monta Nicholson was, you know, a little bit of a contributor. P. Ryan, not so much. Moro, not that much. They really didn't get that much other than John Allen and Chase Rueh out of that draft. The 2018 draft, obviously Payne, Christian, and Settle are all, you know, contributors. But still, they fucked up royally with the selection of Darius Geis, a selection of, a selection that had Bruce Allen raising his arms in a V afterwards. Like they had just stolen a player at the end of the second round.

No one else in the league wanted Darius Geis, which is why Washington could trade back to the end of the second round and get them when we now know why. But overall, that draft produced when all is said and done basically two starters, and not a full-time starter and Christian. Duran Payne was, you know, but I think we like settled, but a C draft three years after the fact. The 2019 draft?

Well, there is a bit of a difference as of now. Montez-Swed and Terry McLorne both look like star players. But they totally messed up courtesy of the owner, the first round pick, the first first round pick in Haskins. West Martin may be a contributor. Cole Holcomb is. We don't know really enough about Harmon and Jimmy Morland at this point. And last year, I think it's pretty fair to say that they got, you know, a star in Chase Young at the number two overall pick, which you should.

But these drafts are just so hard. You know, there was excitement. I swear to God, there was excitement after every draft with a lot of you. And with me at times, too, but we don't know. So with that understood, that we really don't know, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give you some overall thoughts on the draft, and then I'm going to give you a few comments on each of the players. And then Doc Walker will join us after that. First of all, what was very obvious about the strategy in this draft,

the first draft with Ron Rivera, Marty Herney, Martin Mayhew, Stokes, Gribble, Pollyan, this whole new executive football operation team. What's very obvious is that, Ron Rivera's plan to change the culture is a sincere plan. He's very serious about that. Look at the players that they've added in free agency last year and this year. This year alone, guys like Jackson and Samuel and Humphreys. Then they add Jamon Davis, Sam Cosmy.

If you go down the list, team captain, academic all conference, you know, leader, great work ethic. one of the coach's favorites. With each pick, it seemed like there was some sort of, you know, something on the scroll on NFL network, you know, all Big Ten or all this or team captain as a junior, whatever. They're going for character, guys. Character is important, which makes me believe that a guy like Micah Parsons may not have even been on their draft board.

and I don't know what they knew or didn't know about Parsons. And maybe Parsons was totally fine. But it's guys that come with any sort of red flags. I heard this about Cadarius Tony that they were not going to draft Cadarius Tony. That there were other receivers that they liked. I'll get to that in a little bit. And Tony was not one of them. High character they were looking for in this draft.

Number two, they love players who have position versatility. They also have been, attempting here, you know, last year and this year, to increase overall team speed, which really, to be fair, was one of Kyle Smith's pushes as well. You know, Washington's been trying to increase their team speed and athleticism for a few years now. I mean, it wasn't just, you know, last year or this year, but, you know, position versatility is really important with them. Jamon Davis can play the Mike linebacker, the middle linebacker. He can also play the weak side linebacker. Sam Cosmy is definitely a left tackle, but if forced to, he can play guard.

Benjamin St. St. Juice, their third rounder, the corner, really looks like an outside corner, but there's even some talk that he's got some positional flexibility and could play safety. Diami Brown, the wide receiver from North Carolina, picked in the third round. He can play on the outside, which is where I expect him, as the Z, you know, opposite Terry McCorn as the X. but this guy's got position versatility. He's also a guy that you can really incorporate into a lot of different things, like the fly sweep game. John Bates is a blocking tight end, but he's also a pass-catching tight end.

Derek Forst is a special team's guy who looks mostly like he's a safety. No position, versatility or flexibility with Cameron Cheeseman. Cheesman's a long snapper. The rest of the guys, to be honest with you, not sure. But the bottom line is they love guys with character. guys with good work ethic, and guys with position versatility. And they're clearly trying to increase team speed. And one of the reasons for all of this is that they also are looking for guys that fit their system.

Guys that are smart, guys that are flexible, that really can fit into their system in a number of places. Rivera talked about that. That was an emphasis in this draft. Thirdly, they filled needs in this draft. I mean, look at it. Linebacker, left tackle, cornerback, wide receiver, tight end. Those were the first five picks in the draft. What did we talk about needs going into this thing? Well, they needed a left tackle, they needed a linebacker. They could use another corner, another wide receiver, and another tight end. That was the first five picks. They filled needs. Lastly, their undrafted free agents, they signed one undrafted free agent.

Now, part of that is likely because of the, you know, limited pool. of legitimate draftable players this year. That probably had a lot to do with it. The player they added, though, is Jared Patterson. He was one of the running backs that I really liked going into this draft. When I saw that they had signed him, I was very excited. I think Jared Patterson actually can make this football team. He's 5'9, about 190, somewhere around there. He played for the University of Buffalo. One of those guys that you saw on a lot of, you know, Maction Tuesday night, Wednesday night, games. He is a tough inside runner with incredible quick feet and great vision, but he is explosive as hell too. He can really, really move and run. I think between Barber and Miller and Patterson,

you know, that's going to be sort of the mix in the backups to McKissick and Gibson. Gibson and McKissick are the obvious top two backs on this team. And then if it's just one more back after that, it'll be between the three of them for one spot. If it's two backs, you'll get two of the three. I like Lamar Miller a lot, and I thought Peyton Barber, there's real recognition from this coaching staff of inside the tackle guys with really good vision, because Barber has it. So does. So does Jared Patterson. All right, a couple of things on each one of these picks. Jamon Davis, we talked about on Friday. I'll just say what I said, Friday. I got to trust Ron Rivera and Jack Del Rio, two guys who played linebacker, who

know linebacker. I've got to trust that they feel like they got a guy who is their answer at middle linebacker eventually. Not that he will start there. He's got positional versatility and flexibility again, but that when Bostick's gone, Davis is the middlebacker and maybe he starts as the will, as the weak side linebacker with Cole Holcomb playing on the other side. Sam Cosme, I'm not sure what some of you were thinking when you tweeted me and said, oh, he's slow, he's not athletic. He's the opposite of that. He's very athletic. Sam Cosmy, to me, is a very exciting pick, and I would be surprised if they don't think he is the starting left tackle right now. He's got to earn it, you know, but they drafted him. He was one of the players, Ben Standing told us that they would be targeting in the second round, and they got him. They got him at their spot at 51 in the second. second round. Cosme is a big, big dude at 6-6-315 pounds. He is super athletic. The one thing you might not love is he's not one of these violent finish-off block, you know, drive a guy into a

turf kind of a situation. But his athleticism, his length, his size will be, you know, something that they think, they picked him in the second round now. This isn't Sadiq Charles on the fourth round. Now, some people think Sidique Charles had a first round talent level, but had some issues, and Washington took a chance on him last year, remember. But Cosme, I think, has a chance to start as the left tackle. He'll obviously battle Christian and Lucas for that spot, but I think they believe they drafted their starting left tackle, whether it's in week one or week five, it's going to be early. Benjamin St. Juist, cornerback in Minnesota, I watched Minnesota a few times this year. I watched him against Maryland.

I didn't know who this guy was. Watching the tape, what's obvious about him, he fits Washington's profile. A long-armed press coverage corner. Taller, longer-armed physical, but he can run too. Smart, really smart, leader. All of those things came into play with St. Juist. If you watch him, he's a little handsy, you know, in some of the highlight stuff, but you see a guy that can really make plays.

and these are the kinds of corners they want. They don't want to sit back 10 yards off the ball. Third round, 82 overall, Diami Brown. I told you this was one of the two receivers that they really liked, Elijah Moore was the other. They weren't going to get more. They got Diami Brown. Diami Brown is going to potentially come in right away

and be a significant contributor week one. He could be the starting Z opposite Terry McLorn as the X with Curtis Samuel and Humphreys, you know, as the next two guys. You know, could be Samuel out there. But you're going to see a lot of Diami Brown. I can just tell you the offensive coaches loved this player, loved him. John Bates, the tight end from Boise in the fourth round. I didn't know anything about him. I watched probably like you did. I read like a lot of you did. What struck me and watching this kid is he's got great hands, great hands, great soft hands.

could make catches like tight ends do in traffic, like big tight ends do in traffic. I think it's sort of an interesting pick because they don't have any depth at tight end. You know, there's just no depth there with Washington at tight end behind Logan Thomas. I did think it was very funny on the NFL network when Washington drafted Bates, somebody on the NFL network, I'm forgetting who it is now, immediately put up the NFL comp as Jeremy Sprinkle. He doesn't look like Jeremy Sprinkle to me on the highlight reel. He looks like a much more fluid tight end.

Now, they say he blocks really well and that he was more of a safety valve in the pass offense, but I saw a guy that looks like he can get down the field and be a big target with really, really nice hands as well. after Bates they selected Derek Forrest to safety in the fifth round. From what I've been told, they think this guy's got a chance to push Apkey as a backup safety and as a special teamer. Apke was a very good special teams player for them. We talked about Cheeseman in the sixth round. The seventh rounders, William Bradley King, the linebacker, Shaka, Tony, the defensive end, and Dax Millney, the wide receiver.

I can just tell you, I do know Tony's game a little bit, having watched. a lot of Penn State football. This is a six-foot-three, 245-pound quick-twitch athletic pass-rusher. Now, does he make the team in front of what's his face, the NC State guy from last year, whose name escapes me, James Smith Williams? Does he have a chance to take over for Casey Two Hill as an outside backer, you know, backing up Holcomb? Remember, Ryan Kerrigan's still out there. I'm not going to be surprised if Ryan Carrigan is signed. But, you know, those last three seventh rounders, obviously, they got a seventh rounder last year in Curl, but in a deeper draft. My favorite pick of this draft is the Diami Brown pick. He's the player that I was told a couple of weeks ago,

Elijah Moore, Diami Brown, a few other receivers that they really liked, but that the coaches were in love with Diami Brown. There were several people that thought he could potentially go end of first round. Brown is a bigger receiver at 6-1, 6-1-5. 4-4 speed. Really excellent catching contested balls for North Carolina from Sam Howell, who is a projected first round pick, maybe a top three pick in next year's draft. Carolina was so dynamic offensively. He had, you know, in his last two seasons, he had more than 1,000 receiving yards, 20 touchdowns, average more than 20 yards per catch. They love this guy. They think in some ways they may have found another Terry McLaren in the third round. So that's the guy I think has a chance to really contribute right from the

get-go. You know, it's a little bit crowded at wide receiver. McCloren, Samuel, Cam Sims, you know, Adam Humphreys and now Diami Brown. You know, that would be my guess on the five. I think, you know, AGG, who knows, Sims Jr. probably not. Harmon coming off the injury, I don't know. The only thing about Diami Brown is he's not a punt returner or a kickoff returner. So that is something they still need to figure out. Overall, there isn't anything they did that I had a problem with. And the only thing that I probably thought was possible and they weren't able to pull it off was moving up for the quarterback, which Ron Rivera, you know, basically said, look, it was a possibility. It was something that, you know, we talked a lot about. But at the end of the day, you know, if it didn't fall to us, we weren't going to push it. They don't need to push it right now. You know, unless they were going to go up to eight or nine and get

Justin Fields, you know, in terms of Kellyn Mond or Davis Mills or Kyle Trask, I think if they had really needed a quarterback and didn't get one in the first round, they probably would have been on Trask in the second round more than the others, but they don't feel like they desperately need it right now. They like Kyle Allen. They like Taylor Heineke. And Ryan Fitzpatrick's going to be the starter. Doc Walker next after this word from one of our sponsors. I didn't get a chance to do my normal annual draft shows where I get to sit next to the man with the big draft board and telling us who's going to be picked right before the pick comes up. I really missed it this year.

Probably the first time Doc Walker and I haven't done a draft show together in, I don't know, 12 years, 11 years, something like that. Doc is on with me, and Doc has a podcast. It's the Doc Walker podcast. It's a Patreon. You go to patreon.com slash Doc Walker. Sali, Steve Solomon, is producing it for Doc. So there's another podcast for you guys to listen to the Doc. Walker podcast. How's it going so far? How many shows are you in at this point?

Six. I think the day was six or seven. It's coming. You know, it's a different, different format. You'll love it because you're an entrepreneur, but you don't need it because you've got hundreds of thousands of listeners and sponsors, but I like the idea of like Netflix. It's basically pay-per-view. And if you don't, you don't have to pay, you don't have to do anything. But you don't get Netflix without their $7.99, $4.99. I wish it was even less. But it is what it is.

And it's a lot of fun to be by. Of course, you came up and I'm waiting on the mock schedule, and you did not do a mock draft. I never do a mock draft. Every year you say that, and I never do a mock draft. But this year, again, you jumped the broom. And it made you and Russell, the rooster, to me, there is no draft without the two of you. Okay, stop.

And so let me ask you this, though. And I appreciate you putting me on prime time. But who stiffed you? For those of you that don't know, I'm driving. I'm at the post office. And I'm actually having a little cardiovascular work in. And Kevin calls me. And whenever he calls, I'm elated.

because this is a big time. Folks, this is like being called up from single A ball for Major League Baseball fans. And he says, can you be on at 1145? Well, immediately I go, heck, yes. To be on a Kevin Sheen podcast, and I wish Tom Laverro will close by because that's my guy. Man, now I know somebody stiffed you.

Who failed to show up? Well, because I wasn't planned. This wasn't planned. But what happened? But what I did that? Whoever stiffed you, man, thank God. I'm so happy they did. I know.

You know, I didn't even tell you this, but you are pretty perceptive. And yes, I have, since I found out that you had a podcast, which, by the way, you didn't even call me to tell me that you had one. I called you just to check up. I don't call the guy in the days. I just called you two weeks ago, or last week I called you just to catch up and bullshit for a while. and we're doing this. And at the very end of the call, you said, I said, well, what are you up to? And you said, what do you mean?

I'm doing a podcast. I said, well, how was I supposed to know? You weren't. Well, apparently I wasn't. But I immediately said to you, I said, all right, well, I want to get you on the show, which I, you know, you've been on this show before. It's not like it's your first time. Well, I don't, well, no, no, let's be correct. Now, whenever somebody stiffs you, that's not true at all.

You know I'm always there for you. I told you. Whenever. I'm always there. Today you are absolutely 100% right. Oh, I know. Kooley got his knee operated on a week and a half ago. How's he doing?

Have you talked to him recently? No, no. He cut me off before you did. Oh, stop it. I didn't cut you off. Nobody cuts you off. Stop with it. Yes, you did.

Well, you know what? When you're down on single-A ball, you're going to have to hit 385 for a couple weeks before we start paying attention to you. Look, I'm not complaining. I know I'm not worthy yet. But I'm working on it. So he sent me a picture, and I'm going to send you this picture of what his knee looked like after the surgery. He's been in terrible pain for a week, a week plus. And this picture that he sent me, I swear to God, Doc, I'm sending it to you right now.

It looked like there were two beach balls in his knee. What? Yeah, I just sent it to you. I just texted you a picture. He's been in pain and he just hasn't been able to I had him on last week I probably pushed it by having him on on Friday for a little bit He wasn't totally upward

Can you see that? I had on the legacy With the football team It took me four weeks to get Larry Brown To do the show because he was in so much pain With his lower back On the day of the show we had to get him to adjust his blinds.

And my God, I felt bad for asking him to do that just so we could make it to look shot better. Yeah, he's in real pain. And thank God, hopefully it's getting better for Larry. You know the hits and what we love about the 70s because you're a historian. It's about how this guy threw his body around. Larry Brown is one of the greatest.

running backs in franchise history. And if he didn't have the knee injuries, he was headed to the Hall of Fame, people. He was an NFL MVP in 1972. And then back then, unfortunately, when you got a serious knee injury, they didn't have the same ability to fix it like they do today. Now, Floyd Little, who's in the hall, their numbers are comparable. Yeah. And I would put it before you and the board, but I still think Larry has a shot.

I hope it. The board. Same thing I do with, and this is one thing, and I know I'm sensitive to it because it's burgundy and gold, but Pat Fisher, Brian Mitchell, Gary Clark. See, I never throw somebody's name out Hall of Fame. I never do that. I think it's disrespectful to do it because not everybody should be in it. Not everybody will be in it.

But if I have to consider you, you ain't in it. It's that fact. It should be slam dumb. And we got guys that are so close to that, and I like to see it happen. but I think there's somebody in New York, somebody in Madison Avenue, that somebody pissed off once upon time here, and we get no benefits of the doubt.

Well, I mean, we all believe, and I think you would agree with me, that Jake is the biggest missing Hall of Fame member from our team. Jake, you don't have to think about it. Joe Jacoby, if you saw him play, he was a Hall of Fame member. player. The others, to your point, you do have to think about it a little bit. Like, I think

Gary Clark is very underrated in the conversation because I think when you put his numbers up against a lot of guys that are in the Hall of Fame, they're better. And then if you, and then if you, well, not Rice's numbers. But if you know, I'm just saying he, but what he and Rice have in common, 50 receptions are more for a decade. Yeah. Gary Clark played like a Hall of Famer. His numbers are Hall of Fame, you know, worthy-ish close. There are players in there with worse numbers than him. You know, he had, you know, production in the USFL before he came here. Those years don't count.

And so Gary and B. Mitch, to me or the two, now we don't see a lot of returners end up in the Hall of Fame. And you won't. And by the way, Doc, as much as we both love Brian and you worked with him for years, Brian's one of the greatest return men of all time, and he's still second on the all-time, all-purpose yardage list, I think, behind Jerry Rice. But Brian, but Brian wasn't Devin Hester. No, nobody was.

Yeah. So Devin Hester, to me, when I watched him, I'm like, that's a Hall of Famer. No hesitation. Right? I didn't care what position he was playing. He was a Hall of Fame player. Brian had the long career, was always, one of the top three or four punt returners and kickoff returners in the game over a long period

of time. And I think he has a worthy case, but it's not, you know, as you said, it's not if you've got to think about it. And with Brian, if you got to think a second, but Brian to me ran like a fullback and Hester ran like a tailback doing the same job. Exactly. Because Brian ran through people and ran around them. But you never get the same sizzle as the sprinter. Right. Because he captivated, he took your breath away. Brian brutalized people and got the same results. But NASCAR versus a truck series, the car always wins.

Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, Brian, Brian was a bruiser as a returner. He was a beast. Yeah, he was a beast. But by the way, when Brian got into the open field, he could outrun you. Oh, no, no, that's why he's such a freak because he had to vote. Hester, if he didn't get a break, he's down.

Yeah. B. Mitch created his turf. Like Mike Nelms, they created their own real estate. But nothing fascinates us more than speed. The other thing about Brian, and I've said this so many times over the years, probably never to him, and I probably should have at some point. Brian's best games and most memorable memorable games were in the biggest games.

They were huge games, playoff games, games late in seasons. Even when he went to Philadelphia, he had big returns in the NFC championship game and in playoff games. Exactly. And he did it, by the way, out of the backfield, too. Remember, Gibbs in 92 used him out of the back.

First of all, they faked a punt where Brian ran for like 40 yards in a playoff game. And then the game that they lost in the mud at Candlestick, when Brian and Rippin, you know, botched that handoff, it was B-Mitch who was taking the game over in the fourth quarter. I know it. I mean, and that would have changed, you know, that one game alone might have propelled his entire career.

We might not be having this conference. He might already be in. If that outcomes, if they beat the Niners, and he's the guy that's leading it, not that he needed to do more. more. But we talk about these ties. What about Jake?

When Larry Michael got L.T. and those guys that went against Jake to talk about Jake, that was a slam dunk. Case closed. I don't think anybody has a problem saying LT's the best ever at his position. The best ever. The best ever. And when he gives that high praise of a guy,

he combats a combatant twice a year, for a good period of years, plus Jake's versatility to play right tackle, left guard, right guard. It's a sin what is going on. And it's something personal. And I don't know who did it to whomever in New York at the league office, but it's blatant.

He should be in. It's blatant. He should be in. It's absolute blatant. By the way, when you mention LT, I don't know how this came up, but it was on the radio show the other day. I was trying to remember it,

I found it this weekend. Remember when Bill Belichick, they were getting ready to play the Bears and Khalil Mack? Or the Raiders, they were getting ready to play the Raiders in Kalil Mack. And somebody said, you know, asked Belichick, they said, Bill, compare, you know, where does Kaleel Matt Mack, you know, sort of rate against L.T. And Belichick just kind of smile. He said, no, we're talking about Lawrence Taylor. He said, Khalil Mack, he's a good player, but we're talking about Lawrence Taylor here.

Yeah. Nobody, you say, you count a few spots before you get to LT. LT is the greatest single football player of my football watching lifetime. At any position, he's the greatest player of my lifetime watching football. I don't remember Jim Brown. Jerry Rice, of course I remember Jerry Rice. But to me, I'll take L.T. over Jerry Rice. It's interesting because, you know what Coach Thompson said about Elgin Baylor?

And I think that's categorizes LT. There's LT, then you skip five spots, and then you start. Yeah. It's not comparable. And always people say, what's the best thing by LT? I said, play away. Yeah, he's a bear on you, but play away, you couldn't cut him up. You couldn't stop him from getting to where he wanted to get, and that's desire.

And he went against backs, tight ends, tackles, doubles. he and Randy White, who to me, Randy White's career was so distinguished because until Russ Grimm grew up a little bit became a full-grown terror, no human being in the National Football League blocked Randy White one-on-one. He was doubled his whole career.

It's such a good one, too, to have on that list. You know, Randy White was just ridiculous. Randy White, John Randall. See, I'm talking about guys with motors, Mike Singletoner. you look at what happened in Baltimore. They happen to have two on the field at the same time. And that's why when I was listening to your draft coverage,

and I agree with it. But we got to look at do we have elite players per unit, three phases, linebackers, secondary. If you look at what the Ravens did, but you got Ray Lewis in the middle, backed up by another Ray Lewis in the secondary, Yeah. It's just, it's, it's, I do it, I can't describe it.

It really is difficult to understand. And they front four was ferocious, but they, you don't get too generational players, too Hall of Famers in the same time in their career. That's what makes it freaky. If Sean Taylor had lived, Ed Reader, Sean Taylor. I don't, I have to make it up because I saw it. We know, we know how it was trending with Sean. Let's pretend it continued to trend.

I can't think of anybody that would have surpassed him because he had no weakness. Yeah. And not that, not that Ed does, but he's a bigger version of Ed. Bigger, faster. He's bigger, faster, stronger. So obviously, I think he would have wanted that kid, and that's why I'm saying, like, never take anything for granted. He would run to practice. He has left his car and run home.

Yeah. He was in, because the greatest athletes. coach and I'm not telling you. I'm wasting my time. Repeating this with you because you know it. They're also the best conditioned. You never have to

get after them to get in shape. They don't leave home without it. There's no weakness. When you've got to beg a guy to come to practice, he ain't a guy. They're not going to let tired make a coward of them at the end. Ever.

Per usual, we've gone in all these different directions. but I do want to hear your thoughts on the draft, and we'll get those right after this word from one of our sponsors. It was so good to see Tommy. I had so much fun. Neil told me about it. Yeah.

Thanks for inviting me. Three. Kevin, come on, man. Three. Okay, stop. Let's do this. Three, two, two, one. Doc Walker is joining us.

He's got a podcast, the Doc Walker podcast on Patreon. patreon.com backslash Doc Walker to find it. He's doing it with Steve Solomon who's producing it for him. Solly's a part of the podcast. I'm sure it's phenomenal. All right, let's talk about the draft. What did you like about it?

What didn't you like about it? I like, you know, because you've dominated the pre-draft process, you and Mel and those guys. So I've never focused on that. I've focused I don't even care until we get them. And once we get them,

And then when Dallas makes their selection because of Clarence Goldsboro Jr., I kind of got to keep my eyes open for that. Other than that, I was pleased with Davis because I don't define the draft by the first round. The failure rate is too high. The second round, we're awful. It's just our past is ridiculous. I don't get excited until the fourth, fifth, sixth round, because that's usually where we hit goal. But now we've got a new group.

And with Marty, Martin, and coach, I think we're seeing an adjustment. And I love the adjustment because of character first, speed, second, physicality, third. And that's how I kind of sum this up. So on paper, I'm pleased. Where was Davis on your big board? I don't have a big board. I don't have a, and I've never had a big, well, I did do it for a while. Yeah.

I'd no longer do that. It's too hard to compete with you and rooster and guys. Oh, crap. Mel Kuiper, what Mel gives of his life to all of us. Man, I can't. Nobody. Here's a serious question for you, okay? Not that the other one wasn't serious.

What's clear to me with Ron is when he came in, he talked about a culture change. He wasn't playing around. Like everything he does, he's thinking about bringing, as we know, given some of the people that we have dealt with in the past, higher quality people into the building. And almost every single pick, you know, you saw, like, when they picked them on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the ticker going under the scroll going underneath,

all, you know, all academic, you know, first team, uh, team captain, like all of these guys. Yeah, love it. These guys are all higher quality guys. Now, for you over the years, I can remember the years in which you would say, very plainly, give me somebody with a record. I need somebody that's done some time. So how-

I'm more inclined. See, here's the deal. To go high risk, we're not set up for it. In other words, I can handle a daycare and a detention camp. You could. I can handle it. Yes, you could. See, because I want a guy that's got pepper and his grits. Like, let's be honest, the kid out of Penn State

to Dallas took. We can't do this. that. We can't do it. But Dallas has a department set up for it. Matter of fact, Calvin Hill just retired. If you're going to set up a system, almost like a correctional system, then it don't matter. Because you're saying we can keep him in control, we can give him to the game and get him to perform. What he does after the game, we got people to handle that. And I respect that, but you've got to make an investment into that. We can't handle that. And at least, now we're clear we're no longer kidding ourselves here's who we are we got to get guys that can handle

the english language that can get through an interview and then we think we'll show up on time if not before the time he's supposed to be in the building okay we gave a guy 20 million dollars and we're afraid to pay a hundred thousand dollars to get him at work on time that's what you used to say about i think it was fred davis when he slept in for like a said you said you said my god they been a second round pick on this dude and they don't have somebody to be there to wake them up dude obviously i was wrong maybe well no i'm just saying because they never conform to what i thought they should do and as a result we ended up in last place way too often right that's the pass now was ron it's different with martin and marty it's no right now all we can do is judge what we've seen

one year, one championship, one East championship building blocks. Okay, is this sexy? Did you hear about football team one flying around picking people up? You didn't hear nothing. No, not yet. And so he's out of it. I'm just saying it. Your boy, your boy's out of it.

He was out of it this year. We'll see. The way they're being run now from an organizational standpoint, I think it's doing this legitimately. And so they got a kid that runs like the wind, built like Zeus, and can count the 10, and knows his ABCs. So we're already here to the board. He knows his ABCs. I remember there was a certain player out of the SEC that didn't really know his ABCs.

And you said, man, this guy's built like Adonis, but he's struggling with his ABCs. And no, but I'm just saying, look, if you can't comprehend the scheme, I can't use you. You know, we can say simplify it now, and I'm a defensive guy. I want us to load up on defense because until I can trust us offensively, I want to be able to control the game on teams and defense. And I got, I'm like George Allen, I just got to hope we don't turn it over. And I hope that we sustain drives. Because to me, we're still more.

to try to trick you, then to bust your skull open. Until I'm convinced that we're going to put our hands down in the dirt and three-point stances, come off the ball and try to mutilate people, then I'm always have doubt on what I, what will lead this team. I ain't mad at nobody there, but I'm like, it's too much flicking thing. Physical up front. And that's why I'm waiting to see. And you can't see that until you're in training camp in Pennsylvania.

pads because I don't judge the underwear Olympics whatsoever. I don't give a damn about the combine. What I want to know is that when they strap it up in training camp, are we going to have an inside drill? Are we going to have any live goal line? Are we going to actually practice football? Or are we going to be throwing swing passes and checkdowns? Well, I mean, you do this all the time when you, you know,

you want to play slobber knocker, line it up, mutilate people. the whole thing. And so you don't like the fancy sideway passes and the little shovel passes and the little receivers coming around for fly sweeps. It's not your kind of football. That's not what you prefer. But you know who runs a lot of that stuff? Kansas City. Now, they do have Patrick Mahomes, so I do understand that. But that's a lot of the league now.

A lot of the league has a lot of that stuff. You're not a big fan. Have you said it on your podcast yet? Because now you can really get after it. on your, have you said what you think about Scott Turner? I always get it out. You're not a big fan of Scott Turner. No, no, no. I'm not opposed to Scott Turner as a person.

Well, I don't like their approach. Right. Okay. And Tampa Bay, they could have beat Tampa Bay if their lives depended on it because they can't run the ball and they can't stop to run. So I'm talking at the highest level. It's nothing personal with me. See, you like all that.

All I want is results. They like it the other way. The results, their results are mediocre. So what is there for me too like? All I'm saying, I just want to win. I don't care how they do it. I'm not forcing them kind of playing down their throat. I'm just saying if you under 800, 800, under 500, if you can live with that, then so be it.

I don't want to dictate anything to my football team other than that. Nobody's going to out-tuff us. And we're not going to run a screen on third and one. one. I'm just saying if I got Mr. All-Pro slob knocker, I got all these linesmen, and I'm in a two-point stance getting my guys driven back. It's not my style. It don't mean I just don't like it. Now, if they got results, I could learn to like it. I learned to like Kansas City. But that's not fair. But that's okay. I knew you played dirty. You picked the number one team. It wasn't fair. With Tampa, no, you should have picked the champions.

Well, they were great. Because Kansas City got gutted. So you should have said, what about Tampa? Well, you know, they got. And that's what I'm talking about. They got gutted by number 45 on defense, who didn't play against us. No, he didn't play against us. That's why we're still trying to talk some people into the fact that it was a close game.

Well, okay. It was, but people conveniently forgot that Devin White didn't play in the game. And if you watched him the rest of the way, he was their best play. not on the defense. He's the best player to league. Not on defense. He was the best player on their team. LT. He has LT-like results. He was something else in the postseason. He's a bad man. So all I'm saying, and I'm not saying to go three tight ends and two fullback. No, we can throw it. Joe Gibbs threw it. We can do all that. But what is our personality? All I'm saying is that, I don't care if you got a tuxedo on. When stuff breaks down, I expect you to throw down.

I'm so upset We didn't get to do our draft show on Thursday night from Buffalo Wild Wings or someplace You see you have a podcast The 2 million plus people listen to now And you could have done our own thing You never called You wouldn't call me anyway

It's a good thing I called you last week Just to catch up or I wouldn't even know you were doing a podcast Well look what am I supposed to do Call me? Go to you Here you are World Series type guy Yankee Dodger kind of guy.

Listen, hold on. I'm in single A. Hold on. Hold on for a second. When I left radio for a year, when Urban One bought our station, there was only one from the radio station when I launched my podcast that called and said, do you want to come on? Promote your podcast, the whole thing. And I was a little bit hesitant to go back on 980 at the time because I wasn't real happy

with them. Right. And that one person was you. you were the only one. And I'm not blaming. I think other people just thought that I wouldn't want to come back on the station, and I understand that. And I came back on with you.

I think I came back on with you once or twice. So the first thing I would have done, which I did do when you told me last week, is say, I'm going to have you on very soon so we can talk about your new podcast. Now, I don't think it's going to help you. You've got a massive following. Nobody needs me to promote Doc Walker's podcast. But I said to you, if you want to come on, I want to have you come on and we'll do it. You tell, look, look, I'm not a little no Laverro and I'm no Chris Cooley.

But all I'm saying is that I like the fact that I know I'm at least in your minor league program. Well, you're one of my favorite conversations on or off the air all the time. So when one of your Aces goes down, at least you have confidence to call me up. I get to come up from Richmond, you know, and hey. Yeah, and I'm thrilled to be on the Kevin. When Doc and I, Doc and I, I don't know, it was probably 10 or 11 straight years. We were always teamed up on the first night of the draft to sort of lead the coverage. And, you know, we would be at some restaurant and somewhere.

That was the best. Yeah. And the best is when we would notice that we were, a little bit delayed. So people that were listening were hearing us a little bit after the TV broadcast of the draft. And so Doc, one year, every single pick, it came up on NFL network, you know, and it popped up as, you know, first seven.

The first seven players, you know, came up as Washington selects with the fifth pick, Loran Landry. And Doc, right before he'd see it, we were, we were on radio and we were a little bit, he'd say, I think they're going to go Landry here, Kev, I'm not sure. That's the way I would go. And you did that for about seven or eight straight picks. And people, the next day, were absolutely convinced that you were like Karnak. You had it all figured out.

All right, I want you to know like I was coolly. Yeah, okay. I want you to stick around for two more minutes because I do want to talk about Russell Westbrook and the Washington Wizards performance tonight. And we'll do that right after this work. from one of our sponsors. Doc Walker is with me, and you have a great new podcast out there called the Doc Walker podcast.

It's available on Patreon. Go to patreon.com slash doc Walker to listen to it. I did want to finish up with a little bit about the Wizards and maybe a little bit about the NBA as well. And for those of you that want me to weigh in on what Bobby Three Stick said about Kirk Cousins, did you see that? Did you see that, Doc? No, I heard about it.

thought of you, I almost called you, but I knew you wouldn't take my call. And it was, I was so glad for Bob. Bob's future is in television. Yes, no doubt. He's excellent. Oh, he's going to be, no, he's fantastic. And he's going to run, he's going to rule the market one day. As soon as he's full flesh, he's out of straddling the fence now playing.

No, Bob, it's over. You did your thing. Hit the mic, get the microphone. You know what? He actually, he was on Bleacher Report on Saturday, Friday or Saturday, I forget when it was, talking about the draft. And he's excellent as an analyst. First of all, you know, Bobby Three Sticks, RG3 can really, as you refer to him, Bobby Three Sticks, or just Bob. Even when he was playing quarterback here, you started to refer to him as Bob.

I'm not sure that they were fond of that, but that was funny. Bobby He weren't my concern Bobby's not Just for those of you wondering Bobby's not even in the NFL anymore and he's not going to be in the NFL I don't think anybody will sign Bobby

Even though he probably tweets About being signed all the time Among all of his Oh I didn't know that I didn't know that The Ravers released him Yeah they cut him They cut him a month and a half ago

Oh okay yeah Well I'm on Burgundy and gold So I'm sorry I didn't know that It's my bad Yeah Bob's not in the NFL Anyway Let me get cut to the chase, because then I want to end with Russ Westbrook.

He said when the Vikings took Kellyn Monde at the top of the third round, he said, I can tell you that number eight in Minnesota is not real happy right now, because Kellyn Monde represents exactly what he doesn't do well. Kellyn Monde is the big physical quarterback. He can run it, throw it all over the field, and I don't think that's something that number eight is able to do. And that's what he said? In Minnesota, wouldn't even refer to him as cousins, although he did a little bit later on.

He said, this is exactly what the coaching staff and administrations looking for. He said, Cousins has been collecting checks there in Minnesota for a long time, taking them to eight and eight and nine and seven seasons. If he's got a bad start to the year like he did last year, I could see the fans and maybe the organization leaning toward Mond if he comes in and impresses. Wow. Okay. Bobby's not in the NFL. Bobby really does sound like, and I'm being serious here for a moment, he can do television. He's got incredible charisma.

He's smart. He's a very good communicator. And by the way, what you saw this past weekend is Bobby will let it fly. He'll go after somebody, including a former teammate like cousins. Now, there was no love lost between the two of them. But at least he's not on a team throwing teammates under the bus, which is what he used to do all the time. I'll never forget when he said, you know, Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady can't be Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady without, you know, without good, good players around him. That was that was the, that was when Gruden lost it for good. That's when he said, you can't have it anymore.

But I really do think he'd be a good commentator. Now, on the subject itself, the Minnesota fans, very much like the Washington fans. They are split on Kirk Cousins. They either hate him and think that he is overrated and his class. collecting too big of a check and throws nothing but checkdowns and collects garbage yards, or you're on the other side like I've been where I think he's a damn good quarterback, that he's somewhere in that, you know, top eight to 12 to 13, 14 range somewhere in there. And if you put a good team around him, you can win. Last year he had an excellent season, not a good season, an excellent season. They were lethal offensively all year long. They had a horrendous defense and their special team.

were the worst in the league. The kicker missed something like eight or nine field goals and five extra points. And they went out to try to really, they had offensive line and defense in mind this offseason. Now, the big issue with Kirk and why they drafted Kell and Mond is not because Kellyn Mon is going to compete with cousins. Okay, for those of you that actually think Kellan Mon is going to be the starter, you're insane. All right, even Rick Spielman laughed that off and said, Monde is going to compete to be a backup to be on the roster. Right. Cousins has the third highest salary cap number among all quarterbacks this year.

Is it 40 million? It's not 40 million. Oh, close. Okay. And then it's like the second highest in 2022. This is the problem is that you can't pay a Kirk Cousins and have him account for 17% of your salary cap. And if it's Aaron Rogers or Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson, you know, you don't even want it with them. You certainly don't want it with cousins.

And so they're planning, they are planning for life after Kirk. Now, personally, I don't think it's going to be Mond because I was not a big fan of Kellan Mond in college. But I do think that they understand that if he doesn't win and win big or the team doesn't around him that they're putting around him in the next two years, they're going to have to move on because they can't they can't keep paying them what they're paying them. But that's their own fault. That's not his fault. No, I'm not mad at Kirk. Kirk has made a lot of people a ton of money.

I just, I have an issue whenever a quarterback and his ace receivers don't get along. That is a problem that the quarterback has to settle. If he's the guy, I need him to be. He works that out, and he makes it happen. It's happening too much for not to have some credence to it. But fortunately, the purple, I don't have to worry about that. And the Vikings have a great base. I'm not hating on him.

I think he helped his league a lot. He's a lot like Kirk Flood, the old St. Louis Cardinals. Washington Senate. A lot of players. in this league should send him checks and send him gifts. Yeah. For what he did. I mean, it took some, you know what, to do what he did and he did it.

And so we've had a great example of how to benefit in this system. He just played the system. He didn't do anything wrong. And he's won enough to warrant that. The team that should have had his head examined is a team that didn't get anything for him. And the fact that he's not a 49, he would have been a great nineer. Yeah. think him, if he does in 49ers, what they do in San Francisco with Shanahan is genius.

And they would have made it work with him. And unfortunately, that meant we, when I say we, the burgeoning and gold, we would have had an asset as a result of it. Right. Only we. That's the thing I hate about it. Not him. Do you get paid. I don't mind Brandon's sheriff.

Get paid, Brandon. Protect your family. Then after the negotiation. then I get back involved. While my guy's fighting for generational wealth, I don't get involved in that because that's what he ought to do. Because we know what's going to happen if he gets hurt.

We know what's going to happen if he gets brain damage. He's gone. So I get in the middle. I don't take sides when it comes to money. Get your money. But I just think that we have not handled it in a way that I would have chosen in terms of, I don't want you on my team.

I got to get something for you. But to get what, we received, it's a tragic. Yeah, they didn't know what they were doing. All right. So, last thing, and then we will finish up for the day, and I thank Doc Walker for jumping on. I feel that I'm a substitute.

The guy that wanted to come in. You've never been a substitute before. Today you were a substitute. I admit that. And I don't mind doing that. Hey, I don't mind being a sub on the world champions. You know what? It takes a grinder to know a grinder, and you're a grinder.

Russell Westbrook on Saturday night and the loss to Dallas, 125, 124. I'm telling you, Doc, I don't know if you saw this game or not. I think it was one of the best games I've seen a Wizards player play in years. Years. Russ carried that team back. They were down 18 in the first half. This is a team that's playing exceptionally well. The Mavericks are playing, or the Mavericks are the best team they have faced in a while during this rush. A plus. Yeah. A plus. And he and Donchich went back and forth and he was spectacular. 42 points on the night. Was one assist short of a triple double.

42, 10, 9. Only two turnovers for Russ in 40 minutes. That's the key. And they had a lot of the fans wanted Russ to take the last shot. And I understand that. I think I would have had Russ take the last shot. They went to Beal. Beal nearly turned the ball over.

Netto made a really good play, got it back to Beal. Beal had an open look and missed. And, you know, Beal has not been a closer at the end of these games. You know, that's what's missing right now from Beal is closing out these games, you know, Lillard or Steph or, you know, like. And Beal, I mean, ain't a whole bunch of people like Lillard and Steph. I know. I know. But a lot of our fans want to start putting Beal into the conversation with the best in the game.

Well, you ain't got to put him in. He puts himself in. Well, he's got to make somebody to the end of the game. Yeah, you ain't got to talk nobody into that. Dame Lillard, when it's dame time, phenomenal. no, same thing with the Warriors, with Steph. Stuff, yeah. Don't talk people into it.

Let them play themselves into it. Whether you like Westbrook or not, the Bruin, he earns his check every night. And he helps people get better around him. The Wizards now, man, I mean, yeah, of course, I'm in the bag, for I wish they would play a little bit better defense. And they'd give me a better effort. I just love it. And you're getting much better.

wall thing that that was never going to play. I love John off to court. Nobody has contributed more and maybe ever will to his efforts in southeast, the district of Columbia. John Wall is the most unselfish superstar I've ever seen. But from a basketball standpoint right now, this is the best they've been since Jordan was here and we had a little playoff pension. We had that Chicago win back in the day. I like what I see. It was such a phenomenal performance by Russ the other night. I just loved watching him. He's just such a, he just, he's, he willed them back.

He won't die. He just, he won't die. Well, he can't. You can't kill him. He can't. Can't kill him. They have a huge game tonight against Indiana because they are working their way up close to that eight spot.

They're two games out of the eight. Indiana's right in front of them. This is a big game for them tonight. They play the Pacers twice, I think, this week. Winnable. I know most of it. The San Antonio game, the San Antonio game in that game, that really hurts because they play well enough to win them. If you lose one in overtime, that's what I'm measuring.

One night they gave, they got somebody scored 149 on them. They didn't deserve that. You give them 149 point. Go home. But I do like what I see. Do you know, did you see the other night, the Oklahoma City Thunder got beat the other night. The Celtics? No, the Thetters, the opponent tonight for the Wizards.

Beating the Thunder the other night, 152 to 95. They won by 57 points. The Celtics game you're talking about. They came back from 60. Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum had 60, and they came from 32 down to beat the Spurs in overtime. Jason Tatum is one of my favorite players in the league, and there's a lot of comparisons often to Beal between Tatum and Beal.

I'm just telling you right now, you give me Jason Tatum, I'm sending Bradley Beale to Boston. And I love Bradley Beal. Oh, I love him too. But Jason Tatum is going to be, if he already is, superstar at a high level. I had 60 when they were down 32. You know, my oldest is a Celtic fan, so I had to deal with that. And you know what?

I applaud the effort. You applaud what effort? Your son's effort? No, no. I applaud the Brown's efforts, Tatum's efforts. The Celtics have been a rocky road. they still may be a factor in it I'm going to love the NBA once the

playoff start but it's going to be unbelievable and I'm going to leave it at that because right now both of my L.A. teams are getting kicked in the teeth and it's been a rough luck The Clippers are going to be okay.

Clippers are going to be okay. Clippers are not my team. Oh you said the purple and gold and love you blue. Well I know the Lakers are your team. You said two L.A. team. Oh, the Dodgers. Yeah, they've actually come backwards a little bit here recently.

Yeah, yeah. We had an offensive explosion last night yesterday, rather, but that and then, you know, the curly Ws. And I'm taking a beating right now. Teams that I like, like the Nats and even the caps have been, you know, we don't go a period of time without OVA. That's kind of like rare air. They need him.

So it's cool. But hey, pretty soon. the Turpins Coach Loxley UVA Coach Mindenhall Okay Hey man

I and Navy Forget anybody Yeah No no no But all I'm saying to you is that That pink skin is about to come back in the air I can't wait You know what

Can I just say something This is this was really really spectacular I appreciate you doing it on short notice You are a great friend And always there when I need you And you And you can can ask me to do anything and you know I'll be there for you as well. And I know you will. And I'm just

saying right now let the public know. Yeah. We will never miss a draft again. Okay. No, next year. Yeah, can we just do it on our own. Do you know what I mean? Doc's got a podcast, the Doc Walker podcast. It's on Patreon. You go to patreon.com slash Doc Walker. You can find it there. Thank you, Richard. Thank you. Give Tommy a hug for me tomorrow. Until Cooley, that I love him. And I just hope that that's minor surgery because it looked major. I hope it's mine. Yeah, that didn't look anything approaching minor.

Tommy's with me tomorrow and we'll check on Cooley status throughout the week. All right, thanks. Well, let me know. I'm here to feel it whenever you need me, like I say, I'm yours. My man, back tomorrow. Later. Later. Bye-bye.

See you. All right, thanks. You got it.