The Kevin Sheehan Show - Draft Week Is Here!

Episode Date: April 21, 2024

Kevin back from a few days off with a special Sunday podcast which includes ESPN's John Keim for much of it. Kevin opened with his recap and thoughts on the Jayden Daniels' noise late last week which started with his agent. Kevin included his definitive opinion on who he thinks Washington will take at #2. John jumped on and the boys talked specifically about the importance or lack thereof about the Daniels' agent intrusion along with strong opinions on who the Commanders will take and why. Other positions like left tackle, tight end, wide receiver, and cornerback we're discussed as well. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code Sheehan for a first deposit match up to $100! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show. Here's Kevin. It's Sunday, April 21st, and draft week is finally here. Few, can't wait. Back after a few days off, spent a few days with family out of town.

Tried to get a show done for Thursday, which I mentioned on the Wednesday show with Tommy, that I would try to get done with perhaps Cooley. that did not come about. I think we'll get him on hopefully tomorrow, Tuesday or Wednesday. I doubt it'll be Thursday, but we'll see. But we certainly want to get his film breakdown of at least Drake May before Thursday night.

On the show with me today, John Kime from ESPN. Lots to do before John, though. We've got a lot of catching up to do on the last few days of last week. My God, I mean, reports, thoughts, opinions flying all over the NFL draft talk world. Some of those thoughts from Jaden Daniels agent.

That was kind of interesting. Kind of dumb too, in my opinion. More on that coming up. The show, as always, is presented by Window Nation. Now until the end of the month, mention my name and get a no obligation free estimate. They'll tell you the windows that need to be replaced and those that don't.

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So while it is an odds long shot, an eight-seed beating a one-seed happens pretty much every other year on average, so it's never an impossible feat. I don't have a pick for this series, but I will be watching closely to see if, you know, the experience of Alex Ovechkin and T.J. O'Shee and John Carlson and Tom Wilson, etc., combined with that young nucleus that they have and the hottest goaltender in the league right now, Charlie Lingren, if it's enough to pull off a first round surprise. to have, you know, the hockey playoffs going on with the caps involved and give us something else to talk about, although, of course, the conversation will be dominated by the draft. So let's get

to it. It is draft week Thursday night, round one, rounds two and three on Friday night, rounds four through seven on Saturday. Washington heads in to the 2024 draft with nine total picks. Six, as you know, in the top 100 of the draft. They have, of course, number two overall. They have two second round picks, number 36, which is their own, number 40, which came from Chicago in the trade for Montez-Swett. They have three picks in the third round. 67 overall is their own. Then they've got number 78, Seattle's, which came in the Sam Hal trade, and they've got number 100 San Francisco's, which came in the trade for Chase Young. They've got two fifth rounders and a seventh round pick as well. Do they end up using that draft capital, that high-quality draft

capital in the first three rounds to move up into the first round to get a pass rusher or a left tackle? It makes some sense, you know, if there's a willing trade partner, if they have a player that they really want that they don't think they would get if they wait until the end of the second round, or I'm sorry, the early portion of the second round. That would be an obvious reason to trade up, right? They've got a player that they love that, you know, let's just say it's a left tackle because there are a lot of left tackles, but there may be a difference on their board between a guy that's sitting there at 25 or 26, and they don't think he'll be there at 36. They've got a lot of draft capital if they find a will.

trade partner, that seems like a very possible move this year. There's a not so obvious reason for making a move up in this draft. When you have six picks in the first three rounds, let's just say you get it right. And the expectation for all these teams is that they're going to get most of it right, even though they usually don't. But if you get it right on a majority of them, that's a lot of second contracts all hitting. at the same time in four years. You know, imagine four of the six players that they take in the top 100 if they take six,

you know, hit in a big way. It's great for the team, but would you be able to keep all of them beyond their rookie deals? I think the amount of quality draft capital they have will lend to a much better chance of trading up in this draft than back. this draft. It doesn't mean it'll happen, but they have to get, in addition to a quarterback, they have to get a left tackle out of this draft. They could obviously add at least another one or two offensive linemen to a left tackle. You know, 3-0 linemen in total is not out of the realm of possibility. They need a pass rusher. That would seem to be a high priority. A wide

receiver should be on the list, in my opinion. A corner would, Wouldn't surprise me if defensive tackle, you know, certainly from a depth standpoint, tight end, these are possibilities too. This is one of the most important drafts in team history. You know, new regime, fresh chance being given to fans to either continue to support or for the people who used to call themselves fans to jump back in now that Dan is gone. So many needs and an absolute perfect start. storm of cap space and draft capital to address those needs.

This offseason and the draft in particular, truly going into it, one of the most important in team history. I mean, it's going to create a level of excitement that is going to move the needle for them in terms of sponsors and season ticket, you know, requests, etc. But more importantly, hopefully we'll set them on a winning course. The biggest need and what will determine a winning course more than anything else, of course, is quarterback. They haven't had one since, you know who left. That would be Kirk Cousins for those of you that don't know the Galdi you know who description of Kirk Cousins.

You know, the wishing and hoping of the last few years, which, you know, unfortunately led to a lot of mouthy lecturing as well about guys like, Sam Hal and Carson Wentz and Taylor Heineke, those wishes and prayers, no matter how hard the team and some of you wanted them to come true, were never close to coming true, really. They have a huge quarterback need, and they're going to take a quarterback at number two. The quote from Adam Peters the other day on whether or not he would be looking to trade back during their Thursday press conference, quote, we feel great about staying at number two. I don't see a whole lot of scenarios where we trade down, to be honest with you. We feel great about sticking there, closed quote. Yes, of course, it's lying season, it's posturing season.

But I believe them. Sure, there's always a chance, as I've mentioned previously, that, you know, a Minnesota throws their two first rounders and then a 2025 and a 2020. 26 first rounder and Justin Jefferson, you know, into the mix. And maybe, maybe that's why they had Pennix Jr. in on the last two top 30 visit days just to see, what if we get some unbelievable offer? Would we consider taking Pennix Jr.? But my money, not literally, but my prediction is that they stay at two and take a quarterback. That has been the prediction from the day the season ended.

And despite all of the stuff from last week, late last week, you know, the reaction from Jaden Daniels agent to the way that the commanders handled the last two days of top 30 visits with 20 players in, all together, socializing at top golf, and then dinner, and then there was a square dance later on that night. No, there wasn't. but his agent, Ron Butler, liked two tweets that criticized the Washington process early last week. The tweets, the liking of the tweets came later in the week, but criticizing the process of those last two days of top 30 visits,

to which Jaden Daniels' PR firm put out its own tweet, essentially telling the agent to shut the hell up. You know, it came from Denise White. She's with EAG sports management. In her bio, it says public relations marketing crisis management. I don't know that this was a crisis. But she tweeted out, Jaden Daniels is excited to be a part of the NFL, and wherever he is drafted, he will be happy to be a part of that organization. She and her firm appear to represent Daniels from a PR.

standpoint. But man, you know, the agent stuff, which by the way, just as an aside, whether Ron Butler, the agent for Jaden Daniels intended to create the stir that he created or not, if he were my agent, I'd really wonder seriously as to why he wasn't smart enough to know that liking tweets that appeared to knock the team's process might be a bad idea. You know, look, it may be, it may be that Jaden Daniels was okay with it. He was speaking on Jaden Daniels behalf. Maybe that's true. But still, that is not the way to handle it, you know, on social media. We're dumb meets dumber, you know, minute by minute. Deal with the team directly if your client didn't like the process if your client really doesn't want to play in Washington. Explain why. Ask questions. Be mature

and do it directly with Adam Peters if you feel like it's in your client's best interest. Doing it on social media would put me, if I were the client, on high alert. You know, it would be handled simply by saying, if you would like to represent me, a highly drafted quarterback that could make millions and millions of dollars over many, many contracts over the next 10 to 15 years, don't ever do that again. But, you know, the agent stuff was out there, the PR follow-up out there. There was more. Adam Schaefter, again, weighing in.

He said, you know, at one point in the middle to late last week, that, you know, the process didn't go over well with, you know, the agent didn't go over well, maybe with Daniels, who believed he. would meet with Washington by himself. He also told Pat McAfee, Adam Schaefter did, that, you know, Daniels had come to the realization that he's got no choice in the draft and is prepared to go wherever he's drafted. And once again, Adam Schaefter, you know, said that most people still believe it continues to be number two to Washington. Jeremy Fowler said this about Daniels this morning. Quote, there's a little bit of smoke there. So people I talk to with the commanders and other teams, they do believe Daniels is the favorite to be the picket number two.

Nothing is set in stone, of course. It is the draft. But I'm talking to somebody close with Daniels who believes that he has at least openly wondered about his options. Fowler also said that while he doesn't know what's going on in the mind of Jaden Dan, Daniels. And what he's hearing is that he's not embracing Washington that warmly. He said, I can't confirm that he doesn't want to play for Washington. But it hasn't been an easy, smooth process for whatever reason so far. Closed quote. That was from ESPN's Jeremy Fowler. We'll ask John what he thinks about all of this. But, you know, so much out there and, you know, a lot of it for us, dominated by Jaden Daniels' description.

discussion. By the way, if Daniels really does have a preference like, you know, the Raiders with Antonio Pierce, who coached him at Arizona State, like, would that be that unusual? He's 24. He's been in just a few places. None of them on the East Coast. None of them cold weather climates. I mean, come on. It's okay that he's got a preference, if it's true that he does. But that's not the way this profession works. You know, one of the quid pro quos for making millions and millions of dollars in a business that thrives in part because of competitive balance. That's why you have a draft. You go where you're drafted. And then in four or five years, maybe sooner, you can pick where you work and live, but not at the start. And at 24, you don't think there's a chance that

he's just young and inexperienced and under-exposed. And two years from now, he'll say, oh, my God, I love D.C. I should have never sweated it. If he is. sweating it. He's young. He probably feels like he's got some leverage. But I'll be honest with you. I don't even know what to believe on all of this anymore. I do have a strong opinion as to what they'll do. And I will once again share that with you here in a moment. But I will say this, I promise you, if he is the top quarterback on Washington's board, and I think he might be, I don't think that they'll think that much about last week's shenanigans. I don't.

I think if Jaden came out and said it directly, you got some concerns if that happened. That's not what happened. You know, and you'd spend some time with him and you'd see if they could answer the concerns that he has. But I think last week was more of just the incredible interest and frenzy around this draft compared to recent drafts because of the number of quarterbacks that are going to go high in this draft. There's been some Drake May talk out there too, Daniel Jeremiah, Rick Spielman, among others, like May to Washington at number two. So not all of the talk is Daniels, but I think the majority of it is Daniels for us because,

A, we have the second pick, and B, you know, he's believed to be the second best quarterback in this draft by the majority of credible people that evaluate it or report on it. And let me, you know, on this Sunday, April 21st, five days before the draft, continue with my position on this. I prefer Jaden Daniels to the other two that have been in this conversation for number two overall, Drake May and J.J. McCarthy. And I do believe that they will take Jaden Daniels on Thursday night at number two. Like I'd put it at, my belief is, 75% chance Daniels, 15% May, 8% McCarthy,

and then what does that leave me with, 2% a tradeback for a Pennix Jr. At 11 with Minnesota or something like that. But I think there's a 75% chance that Daniels is the pick Thursday night at 2. I really do. And that's where I am. And I would be, yes, totally benefit of the doubt, Kevin, if they took May and even be excited to a certain degree if it were Pennix Jr. But I am a Daniels guy. All of you know that. I have been since the jump. As far as McCarthy goes, I'll continue to say what I've said all along. And I've watched more of McCarthy in recent weeks on tape, I just don't see McCarthy and Daniels' class.

I certainly don't see his upside or his ceiling being as high as Jaden Daniels. Now, if Washington had the 20th pick in the first round and had a need for quarterback and they picked McCarthy there long after Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels were already selected, I'd be okay with it in that scenario. It's not that I don't think McCarthy, you know, know, can't play. I think he can play. I think he can be a quarterback in the NFL. I just don't think he's worthy of going before Jaden Daniels and certainly not worthy of going number two overall. Personal opinion, it's one of those times, by the way, in doing what I do and you guys listening and having your own thoughts. These are the things we remember. Trust me, it's not lost on me

that when we have conversations about what we all thought about years ago, about various players, the memories tend to be a little bit loose and not always 100% accurate, but man, the memories typically are centered on quarterback conversations. And they will be on this conversation that we've been having since the end of the season and with what happens on Thursday night. I think it's going to be Daniels. Despite the chatter, despite the smoke of the last few days, I think Washington has Jaden Daniels at the top of their board,

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Jumping on with me right now is my good friend John Kime from ESPN at John underscore Kime on X on Twitter. John's been covering the team longer than anybody in town has. And I, you tweeted something out the other day. I was actually away out of town for a couple of days, but I retweeted it. It was Jim Carrey. with his hands and his ears going, la la la la la. And you wrote, and you wrote way too much noise by ear plugs, folks, less than a week.

We're now definitely less than a week as it's Sunday of draft week. It can't get here fast enough for me, and it sounds like you're in the same boat. Oh, my God. I think we're limping to the finish line physically, more so mentally than physically. It's been, I mean, it's been three, what, January, it's been three, it's been three, and a half months or whatever it is of basically discussing two or three players. I know. And for the most part, that's right.

Is that our fault? Oh, probably. Yeah. But let me say, let me say this. So, yes, people, like, I'm sure you'll see this too. Like, I would have people say, like, I'm tired of the quarterback talk. I want to talk about this and that. So I'd have people on to talk about stuff other than the quarterback, and guess what?

Guess what gets the most downloads? And so obviously I'm going to, I like talking about the other stuff, but, you know, don't tell me you want the other stuff and then, you know, and the numbers show that everybody wants quarterback. So here we are. And I do think, I will say there's two things. One, next year, this is going to feel like, you know, I mean, next year we'll be talking about which right tackle should they take at 21 or whatever it is. Ooh, you got him, you got, you got him picking a 21. Well, okay. Wow. That would make him a playoff team. I forgot about this. Okay, let me go back. So maybe 15 to 21, whatever the range is. Like we might be talking about right tackles or something like that. And so like this is at least, and it's better than talking about, you know, who's going to buy the team or what's going to happen in these investigations.

You know what? I was just going to say the same thing. I don't want anybody that's listening to think that I'm complaining and I don't think John is either. This is phenomenal. and has been for anybody that produces any kind of content on the team. And it's so much better than what we've had in recent years. But I think you nailed it. And that is it's really been, you know, three, four months of essentially talking about three or four players.

And I'll back you up on once you, you know, move away from the draft in general, you're losing listeners or readers. and once you move away specifically in the draft from the quarterback conversation, you're not attracting the largest audience you can. But look, it's a great opportunity, too, for the team, and it really is a significant pick for this organization. It's a lot more fun. It's a lot more fun to go and watch. Listen, you know, you like watching this stuff.

I like watch stuff. It's a lot more fun to watch a quarterback and try and pick, like, who's the best guy, or not even so much who's the best guy, but what do you like and what do you see in each guy? Because there's good and bad in each of these guys, and I think some people sometimes forget that that's the case, but it is, and I think I enjoy that process. All right, I want to get to, you know, what you're hearing, what you think, but before that, the open to the show, I talked about just, you know, all of the reporting, the opinions, the thoughts, including thoughts from Jaden Daniels' agent that just really mucked it up at the end of last week,

middle to end of last week. And I say muck it up with a lot of love. But, man, what you hear and what I hear from a lot of the fans is, you know, I'm not, I would Never take him now because he doesn't want to play here. I want to hear what you think about all of, especially the Jaden Daniels stuff, mid to late last week. So, and I think that's what I made that tweet about the noise and all that. Okay. Because I think a lot of this is just that.

It's noise. And I think there's at times, there's an extrapolation of knowledge. trying to extrapolate now or meaning from some whatever it is. And it quickly went from agent tweets emoji to Jaden Daniels doesn't want to play here. And treating that in some cases is fact when it's not. And so I think like that's the part that gets very difficult. And, you know, fans just took it like that, too, or some did. Not everybody.

And, you know, but then there are others that, you know, whether in who have a large voice who may be treated it as some level of, fact because, quote, they just know, right? And so I think that's the part where this happened during the coach search too. You know, Ben Johnson was a lock. Right. Right? Because, you know, and so when you know more about the process, you realize it wasn't like that.

And so I think in this case, there, it was unusual to bring all four quarterbacks at one time. I don't know if it's good or bad because we'll find out. when the process is over. I do believe that they probably knew who their guy was before they came here, but it was a final step. So you're not sure, right? So I don't, you know, so that's one thing. Two, I've heard, I haven't heard, you know, I've said this on my podcast too,

I've only heard good things about Jane Daniels. So just strip away everything else. Jaden Daniels, I've heard good things about, you know, whether it's the way he works, you know, and you ask other teams, do they have red flags, and he read flags with him, the entries no. Now, I don't talk to every team, so I don't know what everybody thinks of him. I do know that during this process,

a lot of coaches really like him throughout the league, and that would be the guy that they probably would pick. So there's a couple things there. And then I've yet to have anybody tell me that he doesn't want to play here. You know, so now what he truly thinks, I don't know because I haven't talked to him but I don't you know I have not gotten the sense

it does one player I've also haven't got like I know from these guys like this group ignores the noise and I think I think that starts with Anna Peters I think they ignore the noise so I don't think they're going to get caught up and like oh my god the agent had an emoji tweet oh my god you know I don't I just don't think that you know I think they go by that credo it might be interesting it's not

important. And I'm sure they found it interesting. Thank you, Ron. But it's true. But I think that I think it's more like, okay, is this something I have to be worried about and the answer is no and being bought. And I would say this too. It hasn't affected, based on people that I talk to, it hasn't affected their draft board or their thoughts of him. So if they want him, they're going to take him.

and they're not going to let an emoji tweet and then speculation by some others deter them from doing that. And because, again, I have, I mean, I had heard, I have not, again, I have not heard that he doesn't want to play here. And, you know, I had talked to somebody and mentioned this in the podcast, too, that who knows him well. Like, they thought two of the, in this person's opinion, two of the better places for him would have been Washington and Minnesota from a football stand. standpoint, because the coaching that felt like they would get with the guys on the staff. And I understand that, too. I think that's, you know, now, you know, we also know that the Raiders would really, really would like him because of Antonio Pierce had the connections with him.

And if he, if Jayden wanted to play for Antonio because he knows him and knew him well, like, all right, that's understandable. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to play here. And here's the other thing. The Raiders have no shot to move up to number two to get up. That's true. it doesn't matter. Yeah, I think I agree with everything you said.

Well, I know I agree with everything you said. I would add this to the mix, and that is, even if there is some truth to Jaden Daniels as a 24-year-old young person, being hesitant to move to Washington, to play for Washington, because he's never lived on the East Coast. He's a California kid, lived in Arizona, lived in Baton Rouge for a couple of years, in terms of school, that would be natural for a lot of young people to be hesitant, to have preferences. But that's not the way his profession works. Like you said, Washington is going to select him if that's who they want.

And in two years, if things are going well, he might say, I can't believe I was ever hesitant about moving to this place. What a great franchise. What great people, et cetera. I love the city, the whole thing. people feel that way a lot of times when they move to a place for a first time, for the first time. Yeah, and I would say that, and that's like, again,

I don't know what he thinks that I have not talked to him, but I haven't heard from anybody in, you know, that has said, like, no, he doesn't want to play the order. Well, his preference would be to go somewhere else, like, I haven't heard that. Right. So, I mean, again, the Raiders thing is a connection. That's a personal connection that you have with a coach whom he really likes. Okay.

if you were coming out in the job interview and you knew someone like, this guy that I love, looked over here, you know, but either they can't offer me enough as the same with the guy over here, and this is better up to whatever. Like, okay, so you go somewhere else and you can be happy. You can be happy. You can like Antonio Pearson, be happy in Washington. Yeah.

And, you know, I just think a lot of it had been overblown. Yeah. And I just, I think it'd be, you know, again, this has shades of the Ben Johnson situation where just, like certain things get, certain narratives start to form that aren't necessarily reflective of reality. And I just, like I said, we don't know what he really thinks, but I have yet to hear that he didn't want to play here. And, you know, so, I mean, they, again, they have the power in this situation. All right. So let's, let's move on from all of, as you described it, the noise last week.

You want to talk about tackles? Yeah, I want to talk about actually specifically the corners because we haven't spent enough time on them. So what are you hearing? Right now, what is your best guess as to what they do Thursday night on the clock at number two? Best guess would still be Jaden Daniel. So, you know, I'm sorry to all the people who want Drake May. It's not my decision, you know, but I do.

But I think that would be that would be. that would be the call. That would be my best educated guess. Now, the percentage I put on that, it's hard to say, because I just, I don't know, but that would be the best guess at this point. Who do you want? Who do you think they should pick?

I mean, I don't have any problem with Jayden Daniels at all. And I would say that. And it's funny because someone else asked you, I don't want them to do anything because it's not my job to, you know what I mean? like, I'm going to cover it the same way. All right, let's let me ask you this way. You've watched a lot of tape.

Who's the second best quarterback in this draft? Caleb Williams. No, I'm just kidding. I think Jaden is. I think Jaden is. So that's like, so for me, based on what I've seen, and I'm going to preface it, too, because I also have to get people telling me, well, on my draft board, he's a fifth quarterback.

Like, give me your draft board. Like, how many guys have you watched? You know what I mean? Like, you know, settle down there. And I don't have a draft board. I watch these guys, and I like to see what could appeal to them. What would be the concern? I have, there are definitely some concerns with Jayden Daniels.

There will be concerns with J.J. McCarthy, and they're concerns with Drake May. And there are things I like about each of those latter two guys. but I think with Daniels to me, a separator, there's a couple of things. One, every defensive coach that I've ever covered hates facing guys like him, period. I mean, they create chaos for a defense, and Dan Quinn knows that very well. And so I think that's one thing. And, you know, when I talk to, the other thing is, like, when I talk to coaches, I really respect, he was the guy that they would talk about more, you know, for the most part.

So, you know, that also has, you know, plays into why I think he'd be a good pick for them. You know, now, but clearly he's got to learn how to protect himself. And that's not a light discussion, no pun intended. But it's not, you know, it shouldn't be one that's, you know, that it is an important one because it's not as much as just teaching the slide. It's about evolving the mindset. that. And, you know, you need this guy to stay healthy. And so sometimes you got to throw it away. Sometimes you've got, you know, do that. So if he can do that and develop there, then I think

he can be really good. Because I, the thing that swayed me, too, Kevin, was I just felt like as a pastor, he did a good job. And Dan Quinn told me this at the owner's meeting, like, he liked how quickly he went through his progression. Yeah, you had that in that story. That was good. Yeah, that stuff matters. And, you know, like, you say, okay, but he isn't told over the middle a lot. Where are the where are the anticipation growth? And then I was able to find examples of some of those, right? So there's going to be adjustments. We all know it.

But I think there'd be true for anybody. And the other thing is, too, what is your plan for whatever this guy gets here? And I think whoever you get, you better have a really good plan because that's a big key in any quarterback's development no matter where you go. So, yeah, I think he's, you know, but I guess if they took J.J. McCarthy, I can say, okay, I can see the appeal here and here. Like, maybe I thought this other guy, but the other thing is like what I don't ever want some people

is to think that, well, just because you said it would be Jane, so therefore you're biased against this other guy. Well, no, I, you know, ultimately, Kevin, what I'd like to see here is a guy that's actually decent for a while. So if I say it should be Jaden and they draft J.J. McCarthy, he's good, like, okay, you got one right. That's great for this place, right? is great for the fan base. Ultimately, what I would want is somebody that's worth watching,

not just early on because they're excitable, but because they grow and develop your quarterback and become a really good quarterback. I am tired of watching subpar quarterback play. And as everybody around here is. If I were to tell you that Jaden Daniels wasn't the pick, but they picked a quarterback at number two. Based on the last minute, you mentioning J.J. McCarthy more than Drake May, is it fair to say

that John Kime would predict or would guess the best chances would be J.J. McCarthy at two over Drake May? Probably. I don't, and that's all. If I, yeah, probably, probably.

Okay. How's that? Perfect. The hard part, the hard part is, unless you hear it from a high, high thing, like, it's really hard to know. So, like, you can start to, you know, you start to overthink some things, and you start to piece some things together. And it's like, if the order was that, it would not surprise me at all.

So just one more on the quarterback, and then I'll ask you about whether or not you think they'll trade back into the first round to take a tackle or a pass rusher. But at the beginning of this, you said that you thought that, that they probably had their mind made up, but they were essentially crossing T's dotting eyes with the top 30 visits, with the four quarterbacks in, et cetera. Do you think, you know, at this point here, just five days before the draft,

do you think there's a consensus? Do you think they're all in on the guy that they want to select? You think it's Daniels? I think it's Daniels too. Do you think that they're all in or that this is, you know, primarily Adam Peters, or do you have any sense of who likes them the most, who isn't sure, et cetera? At this point, it's hard for me to say all of that, because I don't, well, here's what I would say that I feel is probably what's going on. And again, with the top 30, it would be only natural if you had a lien at that point, right?

I don't know how you go get through three and a half months of evaluation and not have like somebody that you're like, okay, you know, keep coming back to player X, right? Get through this. I keep coming back to this. But I think what Peters has always said, you don't fall in love with the guy because you don't want to miss something in that evaluation, whether it's positive or negative. And then, you know, which could have either led you off the guy or someone else or whatever. But it would only be natural if you had that.

And so I think what also, knowing how Peters works, I can also see, okay, Meet on whatever. I think he said they're going to meet Friday. Go over everything. Okay, here's where I'm thinking right now. Meet on Friday. Come back Monday or Sunday or whatever it is. Meet again just see like, we're still there?

Yes. Okay. Boom. So I think that's where I, like there's no rush to say, all right, for sure. But keep meeting just make sure. I think he's a guy that gets, he likes to solicit a lot of, information and opinions, some people that can trip them up. You know, I think, you know, because you might get too much information and it's like

goes all over the place, but you just want to hear different opinions. And we'll see ultimately what happens. And, you know, it sounds like, and I think Lance Newmark is very good in this situation, too. But it sounds like it doesn't sound like he's the guy that would get tripped up by too much information, but, you know, I think the proof will be, how does it turn out? not even just with the quarterback pick, but with the rest of the draft, because you're getting opinions on a lot of things. So that's where I think, you know, I know he said the other day

that there would probably be sometimes really sweet, but I think what you do is you just, here's, let's meet, talk about this, I was still in the same spot. That's okay, meet the next day, see where you're at. That's, you know, and see if there's any equivocation or, you know, somebody's close on a guy, you know what I mean? So I think that's the process that takes place. You know, I have one more on the quarterback, actually,

because I'm remembering something that you wrote, and I'm trying to find it, so I'm going to end up paraphrasing here. But I actually read from it a couple of weeks ago on the show, and that was some of the stuff that you had from Dan Quinn, that was very good, including what he said about, you know, Jaden Daniels, processing, et cetera. But there was a bit of an implication when I read it, that Quinn is influential, very influential in this decision.

You mentioned specifically that it was Adam Peters' final call, and I'm forgetting what it was specifically that I read from Quinn or what you wrote about Quinn's involvement in the decision. But did I read that correctly? Because you and I never talked about this. I haven't talked to you in a couple of weeks. that Quinn's involvement in making this decision is significant. Yes or no?

I think so, yeah, because first of all, he's the head coach, so I don't know how you don't involve him. Right. In a big time, not just involved, but have a pretty big role or say, and if you're a good GM, typically you're going to give the coach the quarterback he wants. if there is a guy that he just doesn't want, and he says, sorry, we're taking this guy, that's when it becomes harder. And we've seen that here before, right?

We saw that for, oh, 24 years, maybe, just a guess. Yeah. But, you know, so we've seen that when you get the guy, the coach, a guy that maybe he's not as thrilled with, and not in every situation that that happened. But certainly in some cases it did. And I don't think Adam Peters would do that. So I think they'll work hard to get to the same point.

It doesn't mean like, come on, come on, Dan, come on, say, Uncle. I don't think it's going to be like that, or that, you know, vice versa. I think Dan Quinn might win a wrestling. Well, actually, Adam was a D.N, too. So, who knows? But I don't think it's going to be, like, I don't think it's going to be some big wrestling match that verbal wrestling match that has to take place because I think over time, you know, and here's the other thing that Adam is really good at.

what do the coaches want and who's the guy that I feel best fits that? That's what he was known for in San Francisco too. Like finding the guys that fit the profile of what the coaches want. So that's why I think like Dan Quinn would absolutely have a bit of saying. I think, you know, then you look at Cliff Kingsbury's offense, but, you know, we don't know how long Kingsbury will even be here to run that offense. So you've got to take the guy who's not just a fit, make sure he fit, but can be good long term in a couple different offenses.

So, yeah, I think Quinn would have a fairly, nobody's told me for sure what his say is, but I'd be surprised if he doesn't have some level of a big say. Now, you know, Adam has the final say. Right. Yeah, I found what you wrote. You wrote, while Peters will make the final call on the selection, this year will mark the first time Quinn has been charged with helping find a quarterback. And then you wrote,

Quinn also has relied on Peters and Cliff Kingsbury for their insight throughout the draft process. And I think that just indicated to me, look, from the jump when both of them were hired in their introductory press conferences, they just talked ad nauseum about this aligned vision, that they, it'll be very collaborative, that they have a shared vision on what they called player traits. So I'm assuming, in Quinn, look, is the experienced one of this group, not that. that he's picked a quarterback because Matt Ryan was there, obviously, and he was the de-coordinator in Dallas and in Seattle. He was the de-coordinator.

But, you know, one of the reasons that I think you and I both knew from the jump that Quinn was a major contender, and at the top of their list or certainly near the top, was they had a first-time, you know, owner, and they had a first-time GM, and Dan Quinn isn't first time at anything. And so, yeah. His experience matters. And now, the other thing is, you know, it's also like Dan Quinn is not an expert on quarterback.

He's an expert at defending them. Right. So, and he knows, and that's part of it, too, is like, because someone, what I asked him, was like, okay, I'm curious to know what, from what is it that you look for. When you're trying to defend a quarterback, what do you try to do, and how does that shape how you then look for a quarterback in the draft? Because this is, again, just like you said, the first time. So part of that was he loves to, and he's talked about this, disguise things and throw

quarterbacks off with some post-snap changes. So you flip it, it's like, so what he wants to see is a quarterback who can process quickly after the snap if it changes. And that's one of the benefits of Daniels and seeing him or playing in the SEC was you saw a little bit more of that than you certainly were going to, in the ACC, and in the Big Ten. There are a couple Big Ten defenses that might do that, but, you know, like,

Shiano and Rutgers probably does more of that than anybody. So I think, like, that gives you a little bit of a look, but in the SEC, you're going to see it for, you know, a few times. And so I think that, whether or not the others can or can't do it, that I'm not saying that, but it just, I think part of the evaluation process for him was that post-nap, how do they process post-nap if things change? and that's something that's key. And, you know, I mean, I saw things with McCarthy that were pretty good in that area at times.

And, you know, I didn't see in the ACC, again, when I'd watch, May, I didn't see a lot of that as much, as far as, like, defense is changing after the snap. But I think he does, you know, May does some really good things from the pocket when things break down, too. So, and that's part of that, right? So, but, yeah, no, that was a big thing for him. All right. We will take a quick break and then we'll finish up talking non-quarterback draft stuff with John Kime right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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86690 Nation, Windonation.com. All right. You wrote yesterday, John, had a really good story. Commanders Can Change Franchise Trajectory in 2024 NFL Draft. We all understand they have nine picks. They've got six in the top 100. And your three bullet points are, find a franchise quarterback with the second overall pick. We've already talked about that.

And bullet point number two is select a left tackle who could be in place for a decade. Do you think they get this left tackle late in the first round by using some of their excess draft capital to trade back into the first round? Or do they get it at 36 or 40? Yeah. Because you can see both. Yeah, sure. I think some of this is going to depend. I think there's some tackled in this draft in that range who could go late first or even early third.

How does a team see him? And, you know, I think there's this one thing that you, of course, is I think we all know, you and I know, like, not every team sees things the same way. And so it's not like if Team A's board has a player in the third round that Team B's board is going to have in the same place. because how do they fit? What do you see? What traits can you develop? So there are some guys that they had in for visits who, and the name I've been thrown,

just because I think he's an example of this, is this Roger Rosengarten. So I've seen some things where it's like, okay, some people might view him as more of a right tackle and going in the fourth round, and other people think he can play left tackle. He has good feet, and maybe he goes higher, late first, early second. So, like, that's a wide range for one guy. So how much do you like a guy like that? And if you feel like you can get him at 36, then maybe you stay because that allows you then to attack other positions. But you have to get a left tackle.

And if you feel like, you know, if there's a, there's obviously going to be a few tackers taking that first round. Once you get past the high-end tackles, if you start to see some guys either fall or start to go, that may that should that will probably dictate how you then react with those ticks. So, you know, but I do think, you know, if ideally you'd like to hang on to those picks

because there are some things that you can address there that can really help you. But you need to get a left tackle, and so that has to be the priority. So if it means moving up into late first, then yeah, I can see that, yeah. Yeah, for those of you who don't know, Roger Rosengarten was a tackle for the defending,

the runner-up championship team on the Washington Huskies blocking for Michael Panix Jr. By the way, I didn't ask you this, getting back to the quarterbacks. Why do you think Panics Jr. was in on that final day or two with the other three? Did that strike you as unusual, or was it just scheduling? A little bit. And, you know, it's funny because you with the scheduling, initially you kept hearing that they're going to have a couple guys on this day,

a couple guys on the other day, but they were all going to be there for that nighttime thing. And then, you know, so I don't know if there was confusion or just whatever it was, but that clearly wasn't the case. And then with Pettics, yeah, a little bit surprised, but what, you know, I know Adam Peter said, you know, he doesn't see a scenario where they trade out of two.

However, what if some crazy offer comes in this week, and now those first three quarter, the first, those other three quarterbacks are gone, you better know if you like panic. So to me, that's a you need to bring him in to see because you don't know. So I think on the chance that that happens, because obviously that, too, that'd be way too high. Like the health, the medical concerns would push them out of that number two spot. But, yeah, I think if you trade back, and again, not expecting that at all based on what Adam Peter said,

and I don't think other teams the league are expecting it, but if Minnesota, came and said, we'll give you Justin Jefferson plus 6. Well, what are you going to do? You're going to listen. But that's not going to happen. But I think that's why you bring a Pennickson is, hey, you never know, and if they do like the kid, which they clearly would have to bring him in,

then, you know, why not bring him in and just see how he is, too? Just, I always go back to this, man, and you know this, like Josh Harris wants every piece of information imaginable. So if somebody comes to them and if Josh finds out like, well, so-and-so team offered us what? Well, what

would we do there? Well, Pennix, well, what do you think? Well, we didn't really bring them in because then why didn't you bring him in? You know what I mean? I think you just want to prepare for every scenario. I think he's part of that. All right. We have addressed left tackle already, and you've also spoken to the possibility of using their draft capital to move up to get a left tackle. Let's talk about a couple of other positions to finish up. You know, need positions. I'm just going to ask you whether or not you think that these positions are addressed in the top 100 with their six picks, if they end up using all six, and maybe ask you to give me a name or two that you think may be a possibility. Let's start with pass rusher, a likelihood that a pass rusher is taken in the top 100 and even a name if you've got one.

Yeah, I think they do get one. And it's funny because like Chop Robinson was here. Marshawn Neeland was here. I think that would be a name to watch. I just don't like Robinson. He could go in the middle of the first round or early second. I don't know, but he'd be one to watch. I think Marshawn Neeland would be one to watch from Western Michigan.

What about wide receiver? I don't, I'm not, I haven't heard a lot of buzz on that, but it doesn't mean that there isn't there. Like, I'm sure, I think you kind of have to take one. I just don't know where you're. going to take one. It's a good draft for receivers. I think more than receiver, I'm looking at tight end. Right. Okay. So tight end, a name. Yes. Wiley, Jared Wiley, maybe Jatavian Sanders. I mean, I know they also brought the Eric

All Kid in, too, who was hurt at Iowa. So those would be three. But I think if you're going in the second round, you'd look at Sanders and Wiley. I love your guy. I love Cade Stover from Ohio State. I mean, I like them, too. I think there's some, I think there's a little bit of questions about, and I don't know what they think, but I think there's maybe a little questions of how athletic is he, but he did a nice job for them for sure. And he was a big, great, like, it's funny because he'd go back to that Georgia game two years ago, and a lot of talk about Harrison getting hurt on that play and how it cost him, and it absolutely did. They also lost over early in the game, too, and I felt like that was a huge loss as well. So, yeah, he's good.

I just don't, you know, I think the other ones, because they were here, I think I'm, I think, and if you're taking one of the second round, I think it'd be one of those guys. Now, Wiley's the guy that, here's the other thing, Kevin, you could also, you could take the second round pick and maybe package you with a third and move up. And I don't know, I'd have to go back and see the picks that it would take to move up. But maybe if you can keep one of those second round picks, maybe you can trade back a little bit and recoup and still get one of those tight ends that you want,

because Wiley might be there a little bit later in the second. 36, 40 might be too high, but, you know, if you wait until 67 in the third round, that might be too low. Tackle, pass-rusher, tight end, and then last one is, do they get a corner? Do they get a corner in the top 100? Yeah. In the top 100, I think, yeah, I would put it at the back end, again, based on the top 30 visits and more than anything.

and also knowing where you can get where some of the value is and where you might have, like, if you want to tie it, and you're going to have to get them higher. You want to tackle, you're going to have to get them higher. And the pass rusher, I think that'll be an interesting one. But, yes, I do think a corner goes in that top 100. Do you have a name there? Elijah Jones was one guy, I think.

There are a couple guys that might go later, but they'd be more project guys. Gattison's one who would be like a seventh round. type, but that's not, we're not talking top 100, but Elijah Jones would be in that, would be in that mix. And when they're looking at it, too, these corners are guys with size, you know, 6-1-190, and I think that's indicative of how they want their corners to play. Great job.

I appreciate it, as always, and I will talk to you, I'm sure, this week at some point. My pleasure. John Kime, everybody. Good to have him on so close to the draft. Always enjoy my conversations with John have over a long period of time now. John, remember, has a podcast as well. You can get that wherever you get your podcasts, and of course you can read John at ESPN.com,

and follow him on X on Twitter at John underscore Kime. Tomorrow's show scheduled, Jay Gruden. Cooley, I'm not sure which day this week we will hopefully get him on this week. He is very busy with high school wrestling recruiting. Yes, he is on the phones, dialing for recruits for one of the Juko wrestling powers in America. All right, back tomorrow.