The Kevin Sheehan Show - Drake Maye Insight

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

Kevin opened with the presented possibility that Washington would consider trading back in the draft because they're 'more than a QB away'. Drake Maye's high school football coach Scott Chadwick joined Kevin to share some insight on the kind of player and person the team that drafts Maye will be getting. Kevin finished up with Dan Quinn's "name-association" answers from his appearance on the "Junkies" radio show this morning. He had words for all three of the top QBs in the draft along with one-word answers for some of the players on the team currently.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. One guest on the show today, Drake May's high school football coach will be with me in the next segment. Scott Chadwick, coach Drake May at Myers High School in Charlotte, North Carolina. Scott is a lifelong skins fan as well. I've already recorded this interview with Scott.

He's got some really good insight on Drake May. has some thoughts on Sam Hal as well, somebody he's known for a long time also. So Scott Chadwick, Drake May's high school football coach in the next segment. Wind Donation is the presenting sponsor of this show. Call them at 86690 Nation or head to wind donation.com. Mention my name and you'll get a free in-home estimate. So there's this House vote going on right now on the RFK site. plan, which would create a path to open up negotiations for a new stadium on the site.

I think it's going to pass. If there's news on this before I finish recording the podcast, I'll have it at the end of the show in the final segment. If not, I'll have it tomorrow with Tommy. Now, when you hear the news, if the news is good news, understand that it doesn't mean that the stadium is going to be built at RFK. It's just that as of now, the city can't even really discuss RFK with the team because they don't have control of the property without an amended lease from the federal government. So that's what we're waiting on.

It's kind of complicated, not really. But if you hear that news, that's a hurdle that's been cleared towards getting the team back into D.C. but certainly isn't the final hurdle to be cleared. But a big one. It's easier to understand, actually, the news that broke this morning. FedEx Field and Landover is no longer FedEx Field in Landover. Federal Express ended its naming rights with the team two years prior to the end of the agreement. They were allowed to do that because the team was sold.

It's, you know, a bit of a blow to the team is my guess because of the timing they had until the end of 2023. And apparently they, you know, waited until the very end of 2023 to notify the team that they were going to exercise this out clause in the naming rights agreement. So it leaves, you know, not a lot of time for new ownership and the new team out there to find a new name. a new sponsor. They'll be hustling to put something together in time for next season, but no longer FedEx Field. I wonder what they'll call the stadium if they're unable to get a naming rights deal done before the 2024 season begins.

They've got other events, too, at the stadium between now and the first preseason game in August. Would they revert to Jack Kent Cook Stadium? There are only two stadiums in the NFL, well, three now with Landover included, but Lambo and Soldier Field. Green Bay in Chicago don't have naming rights sponsors for their stadiums. We'll see. So I wanted to get to a few things here in the open before we get to Drake May's high school football coach. And I wanted to start with this. This was Ian Rappaport.

late yesterday at the Indy Combine talking about Chicago and what he thinks they'll do at number one and then contemplating the possibilities for Washington at number two and New England at number three. Listen to this. Yeah, it certainly does seem, I would say, likely that the Bears stay at number one, select Caleb Williams, move on from there with a franchise quarterback, then end up dealing Justin Fields at some point.

But that is not the only big-time potential quarterback question. Two and three, which is the commanders and the Patriots, both are potential trade spots. And look, could they take a franchise quarterback? Absolutely. You have Drake May there. You have Jane Daniels. Both of these guys viewed as long-term franchise altering starting quarterbacks. That's not really the question.

The question is do the commanders and do the Patriots, kind of in a similar boat, do they feel they are a quarterback away? Do they feel like this is a franchise guy? They absolutely have to take and they build around them for the next 10 years. Or would they rather have the draft capital give the quarterback to somewhere else? Maybe it's Giants. Maybe it's the Raiders. Maybe it's the Falcons. There's going to be plenty of quarterback-needed teams who are going to want to come up to two or want to come up to three.

Which is better value for these two teams, which do not seem to be close to competing? Is it the draft picks or is it the franchise quarterback? That is a kind of decision that will stay with. these organizations for the next 10 or 15 years, and that is what is in their hands right now over the next two months looking toward the draft. So Ian Rappaport, in summary, is telling us all that the real question we should be asking each other is not which quarterback Washington takes a two or New England takes a three, but should they be taking a quarterback at all?

Because these teams are so far away from winning. They are not one of these teams that's just a quarterback away. I think this is silly talk in 2024. Now, I'll put one caveat out there. If Adam Peters and his staff believe that Caleb Williams is the only quarterback worthy of taking a swing, a big swing on, and they can't get to Caleb Williams because Chicago's taking them, and they think J.N. Daniels and Drake May and J.J. McCarthy and Pennix, Jr., and Nix, etc., all have major flaws and they have serious doubts and they don't think any of those guys are worth

you know a big swing in the draft well then trade back with some sucker that believes one of them is okay so that's if if they really believe that more power to them all right trade back and you know look to take a swing in another direction free agency trade or you might have to wait until next year or the year after. But if they believe that there's a quarterback at number two, that can be the next big thing, but they decide that because they're so far away from winning and because they've got a roster filled with holes,

they're going to take the path of filling those holes first and then coming back to get the quarterback later once they have a plug-and-play roster, that would be disappointing to me. That would be a head scratcher for me. First of all, this path to sustained year after year contention, the path of we're going to build up the roster, then go get the quarterback, when has it ever worked?

It doesn't work. San Francisco is the outlier in modern football. And they're the outlier because Kyle Shanahan is a great offensive mind and coach. And yet, by the way, they still haven't won at all. I mean, I take their results. Don't get me wrong. But seriously, when has this approach of we're going to build up the roster and then go get the quarterback in recent times produced a year in, year out, Super Bowl contender? Philly had some good years and it's had some good years. True. You know, Nick Foles was a quarterback for their winning Super Bowl over New England.

I'll give you that Howie Roseman has done a very good job keeping the Eagles consistently good, but not consistently great. consistently good. Even Roseman knows how important quarterback is. They didn't have a good team, and they traded up for Wentz in 2016, in a big trade. They kept swinging when they started to have questions about Wentz by using a second rounder on Hertz. For too many years, we've seen so many examples of good roster plus a not good enough quarterback equals an average at best team, more times than not, like 95% of the time.

Last 10 years, multiple Pittsburgh teams recently. Really good roster, not good enough at quarterback. Multiple jet teams, multiple Tennessee teams, multiple Houston Texan teams before Watson and now before Stroud, the Chiefs before Mahomes, the Bucks before Brady, the Rams before Stafford, I know Goff took him to a Super Bowl. There's no quarterback tree to go to when you've got a roster that is a QB away from sustained contention. It's just silly talk. We've been through this.

Many of you have pushed back when we've talked on this show about swinging big in the past. And some of you are doing it again. You are sitting there nodding your head when Ian Rappaport is saying, hey, The question here is, should you even take a quarterback? Look at your roster. We haven't landed a big-time game-changing quarterback here. So who knows how it would have worked out had they gotten Stafford or had they gotten,

you know, Russell Wilson probably wouldn't have worked out, understood, but if they had swung big for Watson or Rogers. We don't know how it would have worked out because they've never landed the big-time game-changing quarterback. But we know this. It couldn't have been worse than it's. been without one. No, go get the quarterback, then build around the quarterback, especially when you have control over getting the quarterback. You're not always in this position, number two

overall pick in what appears to be a pretty good quarterback draft at the top. This is a unique opportunity that you may not have again. Don't pass on it for this idea of we're not good enough. we're not a quarterback away. You're always a quarterback away if you don't have one. Because if your roster is bad, you're a quarterback away from being average. If your roster is decent, you're a quarterback away from being good. If your roster is good, you're a quarterback, I'm talking about a big-time quarterback away from being great. And by the way, they can improve the roster in a major way this off season and still pick a quarterback at number two. They have that ability. Anyway, rate us and review us if you get an opportunity, especially on Apple and Spotify.

So many of you have done it. It's a big help if you haven't done it and you can spare a moment to give us up to five stars. That's the preferred rating because that drives our rating number hire, which helps us a lot. And a quick one to two sentence review on Apple is helpful. Subscribing to the podcast, wherever you can do that, and following us on Apple and Spotify, a tremendous help also. This I got from Jeff. Jeff wrote Kevin, this is the week where we start to hear about the other stuff. His email was titled, The Other Stuff. The Other Stuff, meaning, are the quarterback smart? Are they good locker room guys? Leaders, workers. This is also a great start for us to evaluate the evaluators.

If they get it wrong on the person, then nothing has really changed. That was the major problem for Snyder, Allen, and all of the other idiots that were here previously. This pick allows us an immediate answer on Adam Peters and his staff's ability to get the other stuff right. Thank you, Jeff, for that. I don't know if it's an immediate answer, but it's a really good point. I know Tommy and I have talked a little bit about this, but Jeff, you crystallized it for me. Because first of all, you're right. You know, the last 25 years, I mean, the list of things that they did wrong are forever.

But one of the roster construction flaws they had was they just didn't do the right kind of due diligence or enough due diligence on the type of character they were getting. And that, you know, we saw come to fruition so many different times in terms of their inability to get it right on the character. You know, RG3 was the number two pick in the draft. Real good talent, not hard to identify the talent, but he was rather self-absorbed and there was a maturity issue. Chase Young had some maturity issues here.

Hopefully he'll get those things rectified and have a great career. Number two overall pick. You know, this should have been identified. Dwayne Haskins, God rest his soul. Now, we know that this was a Dan pick, but it doesn't matter. Organizationally, they got it wrong because Dwayne just wasn't mature enough at that point in his career. You know, Darius Geis, my God, there were red flags all over him. Sue Craven's the same thing.

Josh Doxon, he didn't love football. You got to get it right on the people. Now, this is something Adam Peters and Dan Quinn have emphasized a lot here in the last few days. You know, Peters talked yesterday about how important it is to get the person right, especially at quarterback. And so I feel comfortable that this is a top priority for them. But to your point, Jeff, if this were a team, let's just say finish seven, and 10 or 8 and 9, and had the 14th or 15th pick or 12th pick or whatever in the first round, and didn't have the number two overall pick.

And let's just say they didn't have as much cap space. Then really the only immediate answer, and it wouldn't even be immediate, but would be the decision on Dan Quinn. We get to see the number two pick more likely than not a quarterback on display every day, for the next year or two, and we will have a good feel for the kind of person they drafted. It may not be right in terms of the player. In fact, the chances are they won't get it right there,

but you still got to take the swing. But the point being, you know, it didn't take long before there were whispers about some of these picks that they've made in recent years and how they had gotten the, you know, personal profile wrong, badly wrong. So, yeah, I mean, Adam Peters, I mean, he had this clean slate,

but the clean slate with this super high pick in all of this cap space, and the need to hire a coach means that we're going to be able to evaluate him faster than if it was, you know, come in and you don't, it's a rebuild, but you don't have, a lot at your disposal to aid, you know, the staff in the rebuild, you know, to aid Adam Peters in the rebuild. He's got a lot of ammo for this rebuild. All right. Up next, Drake May's high school

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Windonation.com. Jumping on with us right now is Scott Chadwick. Scott was Drake May's high school football coach at Myers Park High in Charlotte, North Carolina. So the perspective of Drake May's high school football coach coming up, but Scott's a lifelong football guy, and by the way, a lifelong fan of our Washington team. He grew up in the state of Maryland. for many, many years. By the way, was with Mike Loxley for two years in 2021 and 2022 as the

director of recruiting at Maryland, but is back in high school right now as a head coach at Clayton High School, which is 20 miles south of Raleigh in North Carolina. But we have Scott on to talk about Drake May, and we'll go back and find out, you know, when you realized he was going to be a big-time quarterback and some of the high school stories and some of your thoughts about Drake May at Carolina, et cetera. But I wanted to start with just kind of where you are right now on Drake May. Obviously, a big fan and a friend. But what kind of professional quarterback do you think he'll be? I think he'll be a great professional player. And obviously people think, you know, I've got a biased opinion of it. But I've been around.

the kid enough and know about his makeup, know about his work ethic, and certainly know about his talent. And I think he's got the perfect skill set that will translate to the NFL. And again, like you said, I was around, you know, Power 5 football and around guys that are in the NFL. I mean, I have a bit of an idea of what it looks like. And, you know, I think, you know, I think he's going to have a very, very good NFL career. Does he have a comp for you? Yeah, you know, I don't want to repeat everything everybody else says, but, you know, I definitely think that Justin Herbert comp is pretty accurate.

You know, big guys with, you know, strong arms that are a little bit more athletic, I think, than people think. I think, you know, both of them, you know, get kind of pigeonholed into just being, you know, the big guys with the strong arm. But, you know, Drake especially is, you know, is a, you know, is a pretty athletic guy. All right. So now let's go backwards a little bit after getting your headline, which is you think he'll be a great pro and you think Justin Herbert's the comp,

which is a comp that's been used by a lot of people. Nothing unique there. No, it's all right. When did you realize when you got him that you had a big time, a big time, you know, division one quarterback and maybe more? Really honestly, one of the first couple of times I saw him. So Josh McCown, who actually just was named the Vikings quarterback coach, Josh and I ran a quarterback training group there in Charlotte. And Drake, you know, came to our training session after his freshman year.

And literally, you know, maybe the first or second time we saw him bro, Josh and I were both like, man, this kid's different. And I was just fortunate enough that in the time that, you know, he was there in our training group that, I built enough of a relationship with him and worked well enough with him that his dad decided to move him into our district so he could play for me at Myers Park. So honestly, like I said, it wasn't, it didn't take long to realize that, you know, this kid had a really, really special set of skills. And also at that time, knowing what the family situation was, knowing the pedigree, you know, what his brothers and his dad had done, you know, you knew he'd also been brought up to play that position. too. You mentioned Josh McCown, and I did see that he just got hired by the Vikings to be the quarterback coach there. What were you doing with him? I remember McCown had one of these quarterback academies or something like that. He was in the NFL not that long ago playing

as a backup. Tell me about what you did with him and the quarterbacks that came through. Yeah, so Josh and I had kind of an interesting relationship. I was at a pre- previous school to Myers Park, just outside of Charlotte, where Josh actually lived because he played with the Panthers. And was out of the league for a little bit and started coaching with me. And then, you know, kind of got back in the league. And when his sons were old enough to be high school kids, he moved them into Myers Park so they could play for me.

And then Josh was, you know, him and I trained quarterbacks together in the off season. And then he was going to retire and was basically. there with Drake and I most of the time that Drake was with us 2019 was kind of unique in that the Eagles kind of grabbed Josh in the middle of the summer and brought

him back up there. Right. But they allowed him to fly home on Friday afternoons and Sundays after the game. So he was actually there with us every Friday night and was there on Mondays when we installed. So you know, Josh basically

was a big part of his development there at Myers Park. And so, you know, Josh was around a lot. It was just kind of weird. He did a lot of coaching, high school coaching while he was still playing in the NFL. And then when COVID hit, he picked up and moved his kids back to Texas so they could play. I remember that year when he backed up Carson Wentz in the postseason for the Eagles. And in fact, I may be wrong about this.

he actually played pretty well in the game, and because you're a skins fan, it's why I'm bringing it up. I think that Josh McCown was the first guy since Sonny Jurgensen to complete a pass in a playoff game at 40 years of age or older. I think... And I think it was complete your first ever playoff pass over the age of 40. Oh, was that it? Maybe that's what I'm remembering.

Okay, well, that's different. Yeah, that's different because I guess there probably have been some 40-plus-year-old guys. I'm trying to think of any of the top of my head that completed. I mean, Brady probably did. Oh, Brady, of course. Yeah. No, okay. They were the first ones to complete their first ever playoff past over the age of 40.

That's what I remember. And of course, Brady would be the easy answer to that. Yeah. So, all right, so tell me about Drake May the person. You mentioned high character, the whole thing, but, you know, what will an NFL team be getting in Drake May, the person, which is such a big part of the evaluation? No question.

And when I've talked to a lot of these, you know, front office people that have called to talk to me about them, you know, if you see his interviews, if you see the public person, you know, this kind of all shucks, golly, gee kind of guy, that is Drake. So everything that you see in the interviews, everything that you, you know, you see, that that's who he is. He is one of the most respectful, you know, high integrity, high character kids. I heard his interview with Adam Schaefter the other day, and he's like, look, I'm not going to stop being the guy that says, yes, sir, no, sir. and, you know, because that's just who I am. And so he is a kid that has tremendous character, very conscious of, you know, his public image.

And that's, you know, some that's come from this family. But, you know, I tell people all the time that is exactly who he is. But don't mistake that for someone who isn't extremely competitive. You know, he's a guy that has an incredible competitive desire. It probably comes from being the youngest of four, you know, four brothers who were all great athletes. But this kid is extremely driven, takes a tremendous amount of pride in what he does. His work and his body of work means a tremendous amount to him. But again, as a person, he'll never do anything to compromise his integrity.

And it's why I've told some of these teams that, like, if you're looking for a guy, you know, it's going to be the, you know, the quote, face of your franchise. You know, I can't think of too many better people that I've been around that, I think, can handle that. So you hear from front office people around the NFL about Drake May? I have. I've fielded several phone calls and had a couple in-person interviews with some NFL teams. In-person Zoom or in-person in-person? No, I actually had one guy from one team, drove to Clayton, and met with me, in my office.

Anybody from Washington? So I'm supposed to meet with them, and I'm going to the Combine Friday, and I am supposed to meet with somebody out there on Friday. Do you know who you're meeting with? Just curious. I don't, to be honest with you. I don't. So that'll be your first conversation with somebody from Washington?

That will be. I had a brief, you know, I know Marty Herney a little bit, and had a brief. and had a brief conversation with Marty, but that was more to probably set up this conversation in Indianapolis. What do front office NFL people ask the players high school coach? What are some of the questions you get? You know, it's a lot about who he is as a person, the kind of character that he has, you know, work ethic,

you know, things like, you know, how does he respond to adversity? what kind of leader is he? What is his leadership style? You know, not a lot about, you know, his skill. I mean, everybody can see, you know, his skill. That's why they're asking me these other questions. But I would say it's more, just more about the kind of person he is, work ethic. You know, how is he around his teammates?

You know, you have had some of the teams have asked me, you know, he's kind of a bit of a small town Carolina guy, how's he going to handle living in the big city? And, you know, my response is, look, you know, do you have a chick-fil-A and, you know, can he go home and play some video games at night? You know, he's not good, listen, he's not worried about your club scene, I can tell you that. So did you hear from Chicago and New England, the two teams that have the picks around Washington? I did. I have heard from both of them. What is his leadership style? You know, he's what I call an encourager.

You know, he's the guy that's going to go, you know, around to his teammates and pat him on the back and, you know, take care of them. You know, we used to kind of joke when 2019 at Myers-Park his junior year, we were really good. and my son, my middle son was kind of our analyst and did a lot of our stat work, and people would always see Drake talking to him at halftime, and they'd always think, why is Drake checking his stats? And I'm like, and my son would be like, he's not checking his stats. He's trying to see how many balls each of the receivers had caught, because he's trying to keep people happy.

And that's just kind of who he is. You know, he wants people around him to have a great experience. You know, he wants to play well because he wants to want to, win so that other people get the feeling of being on a great team. You know, like I said, he's the first guy to patch on the back. He's not a big, not the kind of guy that really gets on people. You know, he's more willing to, you know, kind of encourage him to be better than he is to yell at him to get better, just not really kind of in his nature to be, you know,

you know, maybe the Phillip Rivers kind of leader. You know, he's more of a, like I said, he's just more of an encourager and wants his teammates to be their best. Real quickly, before I forget, were you at Maryland? You didn't recruit Caleb Williams, did you? You weren't part of the group that recruited him? That was the year before. No, no, yeah, he was already in college when I got to Maryland. Okay, that's what I thought.

So let's talk about his physical traits. You know, he's obviously big, he's strong, he can make all the throws. what do you think he does at a very high level from an NFL standpoint, and what do you think he needs to work on and improve on? I think, you know, the biggest thing, again, the arm strength, he has tremendous arm strength. I think his ability to create time in the pocket, he has very good pocket mobility.

You know, he's not going to be Lamar Jackson and run for, you know, yards a game. But, you know, he has that Aaron Rogers' ability to, you know, to make people miss in the pocket, create time and still, you know, keep his eyes downfield and be able to make plays while he's moving around. You know, I would say that the things he's probably got to work almost, just his footwork, probably a little more consistency in his footwork. And then I think, you know, at the NFL level, the one thing he's going to have to really,

really kind of focus on is just not over trusting his arm. You know, he'll make some really tight window throws at the collegiate level that those windows probably aren't going to be there, you know, in the NFL. And so I think those are kind of the things he's got to work on. You know, he, like I said, he's a very athletic guy. You know, I listened to Merrill Hodges thing the other day. and I'll say this, Merrill lost me when he said he wasn't athletic. That is, that could not be farther from the truth.

He's a very athletic kid. You know, he was, as a sophomore, led our basketball team to the state quarterfinals, put, you know, literally carried him on his back. You know, I've played golf with him, and it's unfortunate I have to admit that he's a much better golfer than me. Yeah. Quarterbacks usually are pretty good golfers. But he was a division one basketball talent? He was. He was a guy, you know, I would say along the line, like his offers were going to be from Davidson.

Actually, I think he got offered by Virginia. Yeah. You know, he was Davidson, Virginia, VCU, you know, that, you know, whatever the group of level of college basketball, that level. Did he play other sports? Now, just football and basketball. He played baseball as a kid, but just football and basketball in high school. How good were you guys with him each one of the years?

His sophomore year, we blew a 13-0-0 lead in the semifinals and lost. That had to be coaching, right? absolutely nothing to do with the fact that our left tackle who will probably be a draft pick next year dislocated his shoulder in the second quarter and we couldn't protect Drake after that didn't have anything to do with that and his he had his grade a year he had 50 touchdowns and two interceptions his junior year he was ridiculous we're the number one ranked team in the state all year

I think at the end of the season we were, I think we were something like 43rd in the, ranked 43rd in the country. And we went on the road and got upset. For some reason, we were the number one ranked team in the state all year. We had to play a road playoff game in the semifinals and got beat up, got beat 38, 35. So we were 25 and 3, I think, in his two years of. And the senior year? What happened to his senior year? So we didn't have his senior year. We had COVID. Oh, right, COVID. So he did not play his senior year of high school because of COVID.

Like, we were going to move that season to the spring in North Carolina. So he early enrolled. Yeah, we were to, we were to the preseason ranked number one team, had a great team coming back. He was already going to play in the Under Armour game. I was going to get the coach in the Under Armour game. all that, you know, here's a great little nugget for you. We were scheduled to play on ESPN his senior year. We're going to host Trinity Christian out of Dallas, Texas. And you know who their quarterback was? No.

Shador Sanders. Wow. So we would have played Shador Sanders on ESPN the last weekend in August. And Shador Sanders and his team went to Tennessee and played somebody. in Tennessee and state. What was the recruitment of Drake May like? What was he, a four-star, five-star? Where was he in the recruiting process in terms of his ranking?

So ESPN had him as the 40th player in the country, and 24-7 had him in, I think, 26 or 27. Yeah. And then rivals had him 140th. So I could never quite figure out what the guys at rivals were doing. But as Jeff Herman will tell you, that's why I pay attention to 24-7. They know what they're doing. But I think he was like 27th and 247. You know, his recruitment was, you know, it was interesting.

But at the same time, you know, he made a pretty quick decision early. He kind of narrowed things down to Ohio State, Clemson, and Alabama. and Ohio State got to commit from Kyle McCord. So then he kind of went to Clemson and Alabama, and Clemson got a commit from DJ, you know, DJU, whatever. Yeah, DJU. And even though he was a year ahead of Drake,

Drake kind of felt like he might block him a little bit. And at that time, Alabama didn't have anybody, so he committed to Alabama, was committed there for a while. and then at some point after he was committed to Alabama, Bryce Young flipped from USC to Alabama. And during that time, Mac Brown came to North Carolina, kind of changed the program around there,

and he walked into my office one day. He's like, Coach, I think I'm going to flip and get to North Carolina. And I was like, I don't matter to me. I said, that's fine. but I'm not calling Coach Saving, so you're going to have to make that phone call. And he did. He did.

Oh, absolutely. He called Coach Saving, and, you know, and I think to their credit, you know, Alabama had told him when he committed there that they weren't going to, you know, they were going to be kind of done recruiting quarterbacks. And then they went and got, you know, Bryce Young. So I think they also took some responsibility in knowing that, hey, we didn't really, we didn't kind of, we didn't kind of. to do what we told this kid we were going to do. So they kind of knew it was on them a little bit as well. And, you know, I think he knew that Sam was, you know, was probably going to only be at North Carolina for three years

and that he'd only have to sit one year there. And then he'd have his opportunity. So, you know, and that was interesting during his recruitment, Tevita Pritchard, who's the quarterback coach for the Redskins, excuse me, commanders. That's all right. he was at Stanford and flew all the literally hopped on a plane flew all the way across the country to North Carolina just to see Drake and talk to Drake

and then flew back to Stanford so Tevita is very familiar with Drake recruited him out of high school so there is a there is a connection there with Washington is there any other connection that you know of with Drake and anybody Washington right now, Brian Johnson, Cliff Kingsbury, you know, Blow, you mentioned Pritchard, Quinn, anybody? I don't think so, other than, you know, Marty Herney being in Charlotte for a number of years.

You know, I'm sure Marty's, you know, familiar with them from those days. But other than that, I don't think so. I'd have to go back and look at who they've hired over the last couple of weeks. that I might have missed. But I don't think there's any other connections other than Tevita. What kind of NFL offense do you think would be best for Drake May? And have you had any thoughts about Cliff Kingsbury being the OC and how that would match up with May? You know, I think if you go back to the Texas Tech kind of offense that Kingsbury ran there,

I think that would be a great fit for him, that kind of air raid kind of style. You know, I'm hesitant to say this, but when you ask, you know, again, about comps, you know, I do see a lot of, you know, of Patrick Mahomes and Drake, you know, some of the off-platform stuff and the ability to, you know, make different throws from different arm angles. You know, so, you know, that kind of an offense that he ran there, I think, is a, a really good fit there. Not the kind of offense, I think, that Kingsbury probably ran with the Cardinals, just because I don't think, you know, Drake and Kyler Murray,

I don't think their skill sets are the same. You know, and I think, you know, Coach Kingsbury is probably smart enough that, you know, he's going to design his offense around the skill set, you know, of the guy that he has. And I think if you look at what he did in Arizona and what he did at Texas Tech, those were different things. And I think a lot of that was because he had different, he had different quarterbacks with different skill sets. So if you look at what he did at Texas Tech with Patrick Mahomes,

I think that would be a great fit for Drake's skill set. Would he be comfortable under center if they decided to, you know, run something more NFL traditional for the lack of a better description and try to truly marry run and pass together? Very much so. I would say probably in high school, we were probably about 20% under center. And really, the reason we got under center so much in high school was, you know, and this was anybody that knows offense will tell you, one of the main reasons people go under centers because of the, it creates such great opportunities in the play action game. And that's why we did it.

We did it to create those opportunities in the play action game. So I would say, again, in high school, he was probably under center about 20% of the time. And even in North Carolina, particularly down the red zone, they did a decent amount of undercenter stuff. So he's very comfortable there. And that wouldn't be, I think it would be something he would look forward to. So I wanted to get your thoughts, if you have any, on Sam Howl, and how you'd answer the people that have comped Drake May and Sam Howell. That, you know, they both went to North Carolina.

They both had better next to last years than they did their final years, et cetera, et cetera. Just wanted to get your thoughts kind of on Sam Hal from that perspective. Well, first of all, I've known Sam since he was in middle school. I watched Sam play in middle school and really good friends with his dad. The dad's a really good high school football coach. my daughter's actually friends with Sam I like Sam I like Sam as a person

I like him as a competitor I was excited when he was you know the quarterback of my team you know I like Sam a lot and Drake and Sam are really really close so that is a very interesting dynamic I think other than

other than his brothers I would say Sam might be Drake's best friend So that would be An interesting dynamic Obviously they were together for a year at North Carolina So it's not like they've never

You know, worked together before But as far as those that say Well, why would you draft You know another North Carolina kid? I think that's a That's a lazy statement Because it shows me you haven't done any Any real research

Right You know They're different quarterbacks They have different skill sets, and they did different things. And Drake played for two different coordinators. He only played with Phil Longo for the first year. They were an entirely different offense than what Sam ran last year. So, I mean, I would say that people aren't doing enough research if they say that,

not to mention physically they are completely different guys physically. I made a joke with Drake a couple weeks. I don't know if there was a picture out there of him and Sam. Yeah, North Carolina basketball game. Sam looked like a sixth grader next to him. I said, was Sam standing in a hole when you all took this, you know, it looked. You know, so I mean, they're physically different. Their skill sets are different.

So anybody that kind of, you know, makes that comparison. And even worse, when they throw Mitch Tribisky in there, you know, as another, you know, North Carolina kid that went number one. You know, I mean, again, I just think. that's people that haven't done their homework. And look, you know, Drake's, be the first one to tell you, he's not without, you know, his fault. He's had some, you know, a couple of games there where he, you know, he certainly would have liked to have played better. You know, people talk about his last game at North Carolina at NC State.

Yeah, that was not good. You know, my pushback on that one is, and I was there, I watched that game, you know, in person. So I saw a lot of things in person. You know, that was a situation where NC State bullied North Carolina. Carolina. And you could see that in person. They physically beat them up. They physically beat up the guys around Drake. Didn't give him, you know, I didn't feel like his teammates gave me any opportunity. Both the interceptions he threw hit his receivers in the hands and they dropped it. He did not play well that day. You know, he missed some things. Well, they were playing a good NC State team at that point, too. NC State really got better as the season went along.

No question. And they were just physically just tough. than North Carolina was. And he didn't get any help, let's put it that way. Last one. What did you think of Sam Howell's season, given that you're a fan of the team and you probably watched every game? You know what?

Up and down. You know, I thought he did some really good things at times. I thought he, you know, he competed his tail off, which is what you're going to get from Sam. Obviously, a lot of things, I'm sure Sam, tell you he'd like to have back and a lot of things he probably wishes he would process faster. With that said, I was never enamored with the, I was never enamored with the plan they put together for him. I felt like they didn't do him any favors by never really honestly

attempting to establish a run game. And I think a young quarterback, particularly NFL, well, that's the main thing they need that run game to help them. And I just never felt like the run game was a priority. Never felt like protecting Sam was a priority. And again, and I think that concerns you about any, for me, where Drake goes to is that, you know, they have to, wherever he goes, especially with a young quarterback, and this was the case with Sam, they have to have pieces around them. and I just felt like, you know, up front, they really didn't do a good enough job of putting pieces around Sam to allow him to be successful.

And I didn't also, again, I didn't feel like from a schematic standpoint, I really like to see them attempt to run the football a little bit more. You know, I felt like there were some games where they could have slowed the game down considerably by pounding the football a little bit more. Yeah. Scott, thank you so much for doing this. Really appreciate the time and the information on Drake May. This is an honor, Kevin. I told somebody to say. I have my own radio show down here in Clayton.

I've been a guest analyst on the Charlotte's NBC affiliate on their Sunday night stuff. But this is like the coolest thing I've ever done, being on Kevin Sheehan podcast. Stop it. This is like the coolest thing. All my boys back in southern Maryland are going to probably hit me up when this show. up. Well, that's very nice, but it was awesome to have you on, and I'm so glad we got connected because that was some really good stuff on Drake May. Let's talk maybe after the draft. Love to. Thank you.

Drake May's High School football coach, Scott Chadwick, everybody, with some really good information. Up next, something Dan Quinn did on morning radio here in D.C. We'll get to that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show brought you by MyBooky. Go to MyBooky.orgie. Use my promo code Kevin D.C for a cash bonus on your initial deposit. MyBooky will take good care of you, but you've got to use my promo code, Kevin D.C. All the college basketball March betting opportunities will be available at MyBooky.

Men's and women's tournaments come March Madness. MyBooky.orgy.org. promo code Kevin D.C. So this morning, Dan Quinn, the head coach, was a guest on 1067 the fan and the team 980s junkies show. And at the very end of the interview, and I'm going to play this for you, they did an interesting thing by getting Dan Quinn to play the word association. game. You know, we're going to mention a name. Tell us the first thing that pops into your mind.

You'll hear that they didn't give them much of a chance to say, I don't want to play this game. And he just went ahead and gave the answers, including answers to the three quarterbacks at the top of the draft. Here's how it went. Coach Quim, first let me say, we really appreciate all the time you're giving us. Thank you. I wanted to see if you're willing to do a quick word association with us, okay? So just first things that pop into your head when I give it, you don't have to go long on them. Terry McClorn. Explosive. Jonathan Allen.

Dominant. Sam Howell. Tough. Drake May. Athletic. Caleb Williams. D.C. There you go.

Caden Daniels. Game changer. Game changer. as it relates to Jaden Daniels. Man, so many of you thought that there were so many clues there. Like saying D.C. was the nicest thing he could say about Caleb Williams, so he doesn't like Caleb Williams. Athlete was somewhat complimentary,

but not overly effusive like he was with Jaden Daniels when he said, Game Changer. I love the way the junkies, you know, pose it as, hey, would you mind? And then they didn't give him a chance to even answer. they started firing names, and they went with his own players to start with, which got him comfortable doing it, and then they hit him with the three draft picks. Now, some of you thought he shouldn't have answered anything as it related to the three draft picks,

that he shouldn't be putting any kind of information out there about how they feel about the three quarterbacks. But I don't know. I think we caught him certainly in an honest moment. I would say this, you don't know anything right now because they don't know anything. right now. They have gut feels and I think you've got some of the gut feel that your head coach, Dan Quinn, has about some of these players, but there's so much more work to be done. They're still in the process of doing these 15-minute meet and greets and then you've got the big time pro days and several more conversations with the players and people close to these players. You know,

the gut feel has to be backed up with the work and the substance. behind it. They are a month plus away from knowing for sure who they're going to select at number two overall. There was one other thing that I wanted to play for you because actually these two sound bites that I'm playing for you from Dan Quinn were better than anything he gave during his press conference yesterday in Indianapolis. But you'll hear him talk about kind of the final voice on the roster, you know, draft, free agency, et cetera. And I thought that for a guy that's been pretty wordy in a lot of his responses, this really cut to the chase.

But if you got, let's say you guys lock in at some point on draft and a quarterback, being a, being the head coach, and then with Cliff's experience and with Adam, how much it, like, can you divide up, like, whose opinion matters the most, does your opinion matter the most? Does Adam's opinion matter the most or does Cliff's opinion matter the most? I know it's going to be collaborative. That's an easy one, Adam. Adam. Is it? Okay. And that's based on what? Putting people in the roles of things they kick ass at.

Uh-huh. And so him just like, so you trust his like player evaluation talent like more than anybody. Correct. Putting people on the roles that they kick ass at. That was pretty to the point. point. You trust his ability to evaluate, correct. It certainly sounds like the organization has some real structure and some real delineation in terms of job responsibility. Adam Peters has the final voice on the roster. I think that's a good thing. All right, that's it for the day,

back tomorrow with Tommy.