The Kevin Sheehan Show - Dreaming After Denver
Episode Date: September 19, 2023Kevin and Thom today with more on Washington's win Sunday in Denver. Did the way the Commanders won the game make the boys more optimistic about the rest of the season? Kevin had more on the game 'upo...n further review' including thoughts on the play before the play (Hail Mary).They talked Monday Night Football and the bad quarterbacking on double-header display before finishing up with talk of fall festivals, Musk's proposed Twitter/X subscriber fee, and why social media has been so important to Thom. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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You don't want it.
You don't need it.
But you're going to get it anyway.
The Kevin Sheehan Show.
Here's Kevin.
Oh, my God.
We're doing this open for the second time because it's just gotten sideways.
We should have just left it the way it was.
Tommy may not even be able to hear what I'm saying right now.
I screamed in the first recorded open to the show.
Tommy's here and I'm here.
and the reason I'm screaming is that Tommy can't hear anything.
He's got a bad cold.
So if you hear me with a louder radio slash podcast voice today,
it's because I want Tommy to be able to hear what I am saying.
But then he had major problems with his phone.
And when his phone was breaking up,
I was doing that thing that people do when you're in a bad cell area.
I'm like, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, Tommy.
I can't.
And he's just continuing to.
to, you know, every third word I'm catching.
And then finally 20 seconds later, he's like, what?
And I'm like, your phone sucks.
You got to get to a different location.
So we'll test it.
This is not a good sign.
Not a good sign.
Nothing about this show right now is a good sign.
There's no good signs right now.
But you know what?
We've turned it around in the past.
Not every show starts off brilliantly.
All right, I'll ask you what's wrong.
Like the commanders on Sunday.
Yeah, true. True.
I'll ask you what's wrong with you in a moment.
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I also, Tommy, need to start with an apology.
I'm starting to feel like this podcast is dysfunctional almost the way the organization
in Ashburn was for years.
We have had an issue for the last two weeks.
It's not been an issue for the majority of you,
but it's been an issue for a lot of you.
And that is that for whatever reason,
on Apple and Spotify,
the show drops in all you're getting
are six minutes worth of ads.
And I can promise you,
we are not ignoring it.
We thought we had it fixed last
week. And when I say we thought we had it fixed, it's actually a Spotify megaphone problem. Megaphone is
owned by Spotify. Megaphone is the platform that publishes and distributes the podcast. And we're not the only
podcast having this issue, although not a lot of podcasts are having the issue, but others are having this
issue as well. And we thought we had worked through it at the end of last week, but it happened again
yesterday and it happened on the worst possible day, the day after, you know, a game in which
they won in Denver to go two and oh. So, yeah, Aaron and I have been in contact with everybody.
We are working on it. But I want to mention to all of you that have had that issue.
If you listen like many do on Apple or Spotify, and something happens with the download of the show,
which has happened, you know, a few times here over the last couple of weeks.
The Kevin Sheehan Show.com, you can also reach it at Kevin Sheehan Show.com, is the website where we also post the show.
And we've had no issues there.
It's been more of an Apple and a Spotify problem.
And we're continuing to work on it, and I apologize for it.
And if there's something that I can do, meaning we,
don't do the show on Apple or Spotify, and we do it in another way so that we don't have those
issues, I would consider it. But 75 to 80 percent of our listeners listen on Apple and Spotify.
But again, I just want to remind everybody, like especially on a day like yesterday where I know
you guys are anticipating the show and want the show. And Fred Smoot was phenomenal on the show
with me yesterday. You can always get it if for whatever reason you have an issue, you can get it on
the website,
kevin shian show.com.
And yes, I do know that there's no easy way with a 15-second, you know, forward-ahead
or a 10-second, you know, rewind-back button.
But you can use your finger there to get it to the spot you want to get it to.
But anyway, I apologize and I appreciate your patience with that.
Many of you were very nice on Twitter as I told everybody what the other option was.
was yesterday. Hopefully we will get it figured out. They know it's a priority for us and we're
working on it. Tommy, I was I was so, so pissed off yesterday. You know, we put the show up and then I
look at Twitter and I am getting inundated with tweets. I got, I'm getting ads. I'm not getting
the show. I've got a six minute show. And it happened to me yesterday and it's the first time
it's happened to me.
And the problem is, is it's not easy to get through to somebody at Spotify.
It's not easy to get through to the engineers or the technical people at Apple or at megaphone,
which Spotify owns, excuse me.
But we finally got in touch with some people, and there were a bunch of emails that said,
look, we are working on it.
You're not the only podcast.
We've got engineers trying to correct the problem.
And for a lot of those shows, they only have Apple and Spotify as a way to distribute.
At least we have a website where we can post the show.
So again, don't forget that the website is always an option if that happens.
But I am sorry.
We are working on it.
Well, at least they're hearing the most important part of the show the X.
Yeah, but it's weird.
Like, it's obviously some sort of glitch.
Like, how do just the ads end up, you know, in a six-minute show?
But the funny thing is, I eventually, on Apple, like, I got the six minutes yesterday,
and then, like, 30 minutes later, I had the full show.
So we thought it may have been something we were doing, but it's not.
Apparently, it's scattered across their whole platform and family of podcast.
and family of podcasts.
But it hurt us yesterday.
Yesterday should have been for us one of the most listened to shows in a long time.
You know, the Mondays after games are the biggest shows for my podcast.
It's the biggest audiences we've ever had are Mondays after games.
It's not Snyder sells, although that was a big one.
It's not a specific guest that really drives a massive increase,
although occasionally, you know, I'll have a guest on that'll move the number a little bit.
But it's the day after games.
When our audience, which is a football audience for the most part and a Washington football audience,
when there's actually a game to discuss, that's when we have our biggest audiences.
And yesterday not having it available to everybody on Apple and Spotify.
yesterday, and I shared this, you know me, you've known me long enough, they heard me.
They did not have a hearing problem last night because I told them how much of a revenue hit we took yesterday
by having literally thousands of people get this, you know, version which just had the ads.
Now, we had the majority, the significant majority of our listeners didn't have any issue,
but it was enough where it made a difference.
And to all of my advertisers, I will be making that up to them with what we call on the trade a make good.
Actually, I don't know if that's what they call it or not.
Way back in the day, when you messed up on an ad in radio,
you had to provide what was called a make good to the client.
meaning we're going to give you a free spot for the one that we messed up.
I end up doing so many more spots for our clients anyway to make sure they're happy.
But anyway, so what's wrong with you?
You've had this cold or the sniffles or some respiratory things going on.
You thought it was allergies.
What do you have?
Can we get to the bottom of that?
Well, I don't know.
I mean, what I have is, you know, I was cold.
coughing for about two weeks.
Now I'm not coughing nearly as much anymore, but whatever the issue is, it's gotten to my head now instead of my chest.
And, you know, my head's all congested, and when that happens, my ears get all clogged up.
And my hearing's not good under normal circumstances, let alone when it's clogged up.
I mean, you should live with me when I've got the T-East.
V of volume up to 45, okay?
So,
so it's not an easy situation.
What did you say?
What did you say? I didn't hear you.
There you go.
Well, it's better that it's in your head than your chest.
Right?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes, I think it's a sign that it's slowly working its way out.
But I've had these before, occasionally, where it'll take a month before I fully better.
Right.
and I don't really know why it happens or what it is.
I don't have a fever.
I don't have aches or anything else.
You don't have COVID.
I mean, I'm a little, not a little bit of the same energy,
but that's because I think paul for my head off for a couple weeks.
Right.
Okay.
Well, I mean, let me just tell you something.
When you drink as much as you did and as often as you did in Spain for a month,
you probably need a full month to recover from that.
I wonder if there's some kind of alcoholic respiratory syndrome thing.
Well, there's no doubt that when you're burning the candle at both ends,
you know, you're more vulnerable to these kinds of things.
And, you know, your summer in Spain, it was, you were rocking.
I mean, you had a tap in your place.
bar right around the corner.
You were doing a lot.
I mean, you told me you needed to dry out when you got back.
You would think after a week or two of doing that there, it would have hit me there.
I mean, I did it for 30 days there.
No, no, no, no.
And it didn't hit me until I got back.
As long as you.
As long as you don't stop.
I mean, your big, maybe your big mistake was stopping when you got home.
You should have continued to drink.
I think you'd be fine.
I don't know if I'd be fine.
That's not good advice.
Well, sometimes it's good advice.
Sometimes the best way to cure a hangover is not to get one.
You know what I'm saying?
Yes.
All right.
So I guess the first thing we should do here is get your reaction to the game on Sunday.
I did my entire breakdown yesterday.
And again, Fred Smoot was awesome.
He really is funny.
and I want to hear what your reaction was to the game.
You know, I'm probably dealing with a recency problem here.
I'm sure there have been instances where I felt this way before,
but no, maybe no, I know there haven't been, not in 10 or 12 years,
because however I evaluated the games in the past,
I always knew that it would lead to nothing.
Because I always knew who owned the team.
Okay?
This was different.
This is the most optimistic I felt about this team in a long time.
Because you're not suspending reality.
Right.
I mean, you know what?
Okay.
Put me on the Sam Hal train.
Okay?
They may have something here.
I mean, I don't know if they can protect them enough for him to hold up.
but that kid doesn't have any fear.
He makes all the pros when he's got the right kind of protection,
when the package is right for him.
That was the kind of situation down 21 to 3 in a hard place like Denver,
where if you're going to fold, that's the place you're going to do it,
and he didn't do that.
And between his play and Eric the enemy's play calling,
the two relative newcomers, because, you know, even though Sam Howe was here before, you know, last year,
apparently, you know, based on what Ron Rivera said he was invisible.
He didn't know he was on the roster.
Those two guys are reason to be optimistic.
I was, I mean, I just, if you're a fan, you have, I mean, I know you've got to be worried about,
and Rivera has talked about putting themselves in the situation.
they did early.
But to score,
then to come back and the score 35 points,
if this offense is capable
of putting up those kind of points
on some weeks, maybe not every week,
that bodes well for the defense.
It bodes well all the way around.
And there's reason to be optimistic now.
Now the varsity comes to town
on Sunday. I get that.
And the issue is,
and they protect the quarter,
and they protect Sam Hal enough that he holds up.
That's going to be their issue.
Because teams are going to come after him.
You know, but I think he showed in Denver
that if he'd come after him, he's not going to get rattled.
He might get hurt, but he ain't going to get rattled.
Yeah.
What do you think?
Well, I think one of the things that you hit on is that Sunday's game,
unlike last week's game, you come out of it thinking that the upside might be a little bit bigger than you even thought.
And the reason for that is offensively, they scored 35 points.
Last week, they scored 20, but they literally needed Arizona to implode with two turnovers deep in their own territory to get 10 of their 20 points.
So, you know, I think going into this season, I was very confident that they had a lot of really good players.
And it's something that I said at the end of last season that my big takeaway from 2022 was this roster is a pretty good roster.
If they can just figure out the quarterback thing, which, by the way, 25, you know, teams, 20 teams every year trying to figure out the quarterback thing.
It usually doesn't get figured out because they're hard to find.
They don't grow on trees.
But that the roster is really good on both sides of the ball.
And coming into this year, I'm like, I would be really disappointed if they're not a good defensive team and really an outstanding defensive team.
But, you know, the offense is, you know, whether it was the Eric B. Enemy, which, you know, unproven as the primary offensive mind, the primary offensive play caller.
Sam Howell completely unproven, no experience in the NFL, and nothing to really, I mean, of course they're the diehards, the, you know, whatever our, I forget what he called it.
Oh, he called it, he called him tambourine shakers.
He said, you know, the tambourine shakers that, you know, basically thought Carson Wentz was the answer and now think, you know, Sam Hal is the answer.
you know, but you don't, no one really knew.
I mean, you can say, no, I knew.
I watched him at Carolina.
I knew he was, no, you didn't.
And we don't know now either.
It was a reasonable position to be skeptical of Sam Howe, given the fact that his own coach
had to be talked into playing him at the last game of last season.
Tom, it's reasonable.
There was good reason to be skeptical.
It's reasonable to be skeptical to reasonable people.
We've had that group of Carson Wentz's the answer shut up or get on board.
We've gone through that for years.
The bottom line, though, is through two games, and it's very early,
is that what Sunday really provided was, you know, wow,
they can be this good offensively.
The only way that that's possible is for the quarterback to be good offensively.
They've got the weapons.
They've had really good skill position players, you know, for a few years now, you know, going, you know.
And so these, these, it was possible if they had the quarterback.
So coming out of that game, that was one of the things that I thought was, you know,
You know, for me, it was like, they scored 35 points.
They scored 32 points in 25 minutes.
Okay, they were unstoppable there for a little while.
But here's what I come back to with teams like Washington.
And I'm not talking about teams like Washington the way we used to describe them,
which is we would have to suspend all reality to discuss them.
They are in that group of 23 to 27 teams,
whatever that list is year and year out, where it truly is week to week.
You can project forward based on one week with Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid.
You know, you can do that with the elite of the elite and the proven of the proven, you know,
but Washington isn't proven anywhere yet.
So it's truly week to week.
So the evaluation and my recap yesterday and my recap last week, and I am thinking,
this both times. This is this week. This is my evaluation of the Denver game. Okay. There are
things like Duran Payne, who we've seen coming for a while, John Allen, Montez-Swet, Terry
McClorn that we can be confident are going to hold up, but for the most part, it's an
evaluation of the game and only the game. And this week's evaluation after they play Buffalo,
could be completely different because they are a week-to-week NFL team.
That's what they are.
Until they prove otherwise, until they start contending for Super Bowls,
winning for Super Bowls, and get the benefit of the doubt of losing to the lions in
the opener at home at Arrowhead and only scoring 17 points against Jacksonville in a win in week two.
You know, I've already heard the, this is going to be a massive step-back year for the Chiefs.
Maybe it will be.
Maybe it will be.
but they get the benefit of the doubt because they've earned it.
They're not playing week-to-week football.
There are a few teams that don't play week-to-week football
because you know they have Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid,
or they've got Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
Washington has to be viewed for the time being week to week.
And the truth is they've played the Arizona Cardinals and the Denver Broncos.
Both of those teams are 0-and-2 with one of the two losses coming to Washington.
but they, as you called it, they're going to get more of a varsity look this week.
As Steve Spurrier said after Osaka, yeah, we didn't play the varsity that day.
We got the varsity, though, in the regular season.
And it's not that big of a difference, but Buffalo and Philadelphia the next two weeks will be week-to-week evaluations,
but they will tell us more about some of the things that are not proven at this point.
Sam Howell's not a proven product.
Eric Bienemy called a great game Sunday.
I gave him an A.
I thought he was one step ahead of Vance Joseph the entire way.
Absolutely.
He had 36 pass plays called in the first half, seven run plays,
but they were different than the way they did it against Arizona.
They were more protective, and it was great to watch them.
Even on the drives they went three-and-out punt,
they had moved it on the first two drives of the game,
So there was still hope.
I think, you know, back to your take, what Sunday did was make us believe, okay, they scored 32 points in 25 minutes.
So it's possible that they can do that.
And we didn't know that before Sunday.
It doesn't mean they're going to do it every week.
It doesn't mean it's possible against really good defensive teams, you know, like they'll face, by the way, on their schedule,
Dallas twice, Philly twice, Buffalo, New England, the Jets and 49ers later in the season,
assuming those teams are put together and healthy, et cetera, et cetera.
But yeah, I mean, they're down 21-3 and they go on a 32-3 run.
32 points in 25 minutes is an explosive run.
And so we didn't see any indication of them being explosive in the opener against Arizona.
And we saw that.
We saw a drive after the fumble, the biggest play of the game by far, the Jaman Davis force fumble.
We saw a touchdown, field goal, touchdown, miss field goal, touchdown, touchdown,
we haven't seen that in a while.
By the way, I was going to mention, you know what you get when you start 2 and 0 for the first time in 12 years,
and you've got the owner gone, and you've got a new old.
offensive coordinator and a new quarterback.
You get that thing where fans are absolutely convinced that what they saw on Sunday,
they haven't, they've never seen.
Or we haven't seen that in forever, you know?
Yeah.
And you get a lot of those things.
And they tend to be exaggerations much of the time, but they hadn't scored 35 points since 2020.
It wasn't forever, but it was in three seasons or, you know, just over three seasons,
or less than three seasons because it was Thanksgiving Day against the Cowboys.
They scored 41. They scored a defensive touchdown.
We haven't seen somebody throw the football like Sam Hal or throw it into tight spaces.
You're right, but we have seen it before, which has been a while.
We haven't gotten a call to go our way in forever.
I mean, it's about time we got a call to go our way.
And it's true. Curtis Samuel got mugged in the end zone last year.
it's also true that a 50-50 ball was thrown up to Terry McLorn
in the Indianapolis game that got caught.
You know, Duran Payne got a fingertip on a ball from Marcus Marieto at the end.
Taylor Heineke went down at the end of the Philadelphia game to draw a 15-yard penalty
against Brandon Graham, and we got that call.
So, you know, these things get exaggerated, but the good news is that people are engaged
again and they're feeling this vibe that we haven't had around here in a long time.
And even though it's week to week and it is, and even though a lot of this stuff is exaggerated
and some of it is, it still feels good to talk about and watch a team that has some
upside and is relevant again for the time being.
Because right now, they are relevant.
I pointed this out on my radio show, Tommy.
In the weekly NFL power rankings that everybody does that you hate doing,
CBSSports.com has Washington this morning as the eighth best team in the NFL.
The eighth.
Wow.
The bills are seventh.
ESPN's got them at 12th in the NFL.
Now, I promise you, they haven't been ranked in these kinds of areas, not eighth,
probably since 2015 or 2016 at some point.
Maybe you might have to go back to 2012 to find them that high in the rankings.
Anybody's power rankings.
That's how bad they've been for a long time.
And they haven't had a winning record in a season since 2016.
That's seven seasons ago.
So they're relevant right now, and that feels good.
You know, we'll see what happens the next two weeks,
but it feels good to have them relevant.
I mean, I know what you say they're week to week,
but, I mean, I think you learned something important about the quarterback on Sunday
in that, you know, he's not going to fold under pressure.
I mean, that's a big deal to me for a young quarterback.
I mean, that's a hard place to play, and you're down 21-3.
Yeah, I think that some of the things being said about Sam Hal after two weeks,
and they're being said by the people that, you know, were absolutely convinced he was going to be a stud.
Right.
They're trying to act like, well, we've been telling you all along.
Look, there are things we've been saying about Sam Howell all along.
He's got big-time NFL arm strength.
He is mobile.
You know, the go-to for me on Sam Hal has been,
I have no idea what to expect,
but he's got real NFL arm strength and he's mobile
and those two skill sets fit today's game.
And, you know, if you watched him at Carolina,
he's got some Taylor Heineke in him.
He's got some gamer.
He's got some baller in him.
You know, he's got some grit.
He's got some resilience to him the way he plays.
So I do think some of the things that we've seen from him are things we knew he possessed,
but we hadn't seen him in an NFL game that mattered.
Right.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's great to see him do that.
And by the way, he had some big time throws Sunday.
I mean, some big time throws.
The throw to Terry is a big time throw.
I actually think the fourth and goal throw to Logan Thomas may have been his best.
But yeah, he did some things, but let's keep in mind.
Last week, it wasn't that great.
Held on to the ball too long.
Took a lot of sacks.
Had a ball deflected and intercepted.
He had four balls deflected on Sunday.
One of them should have been intercepted.
It was right in the hands of the Denver defender.
But I also...
That could be an issue given his height.
That could be an issue.
But I think Eric B. Enemy did a really good job of
steering clear of some of the stuff that happened in the opener that put the opener at risk.
Yeah.
So don't forget to...
You know what's funny?
Yes, go ahead.
Kevin.
Yes.
I had a guy on Facebook.
You know, I posted on Facebook what an impressive win it was.
You know, kudos to Sam Howe.
Eric the enemy had some great play calling and all this.
And some guy who follows me on Facebook saying,
you know, we don't want your out of boys.
You know, you were a hater before.
So, you know, we don't want your out of boys now.
I mean, what kind of ridiculous attitude is that?
If you didn't see what was wrong with this team before, you were an idiot.
Yeah.
That cloak is lifted.
I don't respond to those people.
people. Did you respond? I'm sure you did.
Well, I told him that he's too stupid to exist in my world, and I blocked him as a Facebook friend.
Oh, God. Look, I've said this a thousand times, and it pains me.
Over this Dan Snyder era, our fan base, a lot of the intelligent fans left.
Now that I think they're going to come back, you know, hopefully.
But we've dealt with a lot of that.
But I just ignore it.
I mean, it's so stupid.
By the way, we're two games in.
Let's not forget last year after the opener, I mean, Carson Wentz and that opener against
Jacksonville last year, they had a comeback win.
He threw for 300 some yards in that game.
I think four touchdowns against Jacksonville.
And we're like, oh, my God, we got a guy with arm strength.
We got Carson wins.
back. I mean, come on. I am
encouraged. The thing that I am most encouraged about
is the defense won the opener, and in many
ways the defense also won the second game. The
Jamon Davis play is the play of the game, and they don't
win the game more likely than not without it. And then
if Russ makes that first down and doesn't
fumble, they're likely marching down for another score.
Yeah.
They had, the game had gotten sideways.
I mean, it was going in the wrong direction, but they took, you know, the offense took
advantage of it with that next drive.
Now, I pointed out yesterday, they would have been facing right after the Jamon Davis
forced fumble without that face mask, they would have been facing third and 22, third and
23, and they probably would have had to punt, but they got the face mask.
You know, they, so these are the things.
There's a lot to be encouraged about so much more after Sunday than last week.
And the best news is they've got two wins, no losses, and they don't have to have it all figured out now.
They have to continue to improve, get better.
They got better from week one to week two, especially with, I think, the quarterback and the all.
offensive coordinator.
Absolutely.
I thought they got better, actually, and looking at the game again.
I think the offensive line was better at times.
And, you know, some will say that, well, all of those sacks or most of those sacks
were on Sam in week one.
I didn't think so.
And we did a segment this morning on what you were most impressed with coming out of the
game.
So I'll ask you the question.
And, you know, the four choices were Eric B.
Enamee, Sam Howe, Chase Young's return.
or Duran Payne, who I think had one of the best games of his career,
and I feel like I'm saying that every other week.
He is top shelf elite right now in the league.
He is not Aaron Donald at Aaron Donald's best,
but he is certainly on the short list of the defensive tackles below Aaron Donald.
He's that good.
By the way, I mentioned yesterday.
I didn't know the PFF grade,
and I just figured they'd have Duran Payne as average again
or just slightly above average.
They got it, right?
They got it right in my mind.
I'm sure they get it right every week in their own mind,
but they had him as an 86 and as the highest rate of player on the field.
I thought he was by far and away the best player on the field for Washington on Sunday.
But for you, what were you most impressed with?
Well, I'm going to go with the quarterback, followed closely by the offensive.
coordinator.
I mean, if I was given out game balls, those are the game balls I would have been given
out, except you see the coach got a game ball from the owner.
From the owner, yeah.
Because it was his hundredth win, career win.
Right.
Now, that's a mighty good trick for a guy who in 13 seasons has had three winning seasons.
to last that long to win a hundred games
with that kind of bizarre record
is just a bit strange to me.
But no, it would be Sam Howe and Eric B.
enemy right on his heels.
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Because I've told you before, the thing I hear the most when people meet me,
and then they say, you're a lot nicer in person than you are on the podcast or the radio.
But that's my point.
That's my point, is that you are.
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But what Jeremiah said is, I ran into Tommy and Frederick last year,
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I don't know that everybody would expect you to be as down to earth as you are.
Yeah, I think you're right.
And you just, I think, said that.
And I was agreeing with you.
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So I wanted to real quickly go through a couple of things that I noticed after going back and watching the game again.
And a lot of it has to do with the final minute of the game.
So I got this tweet from Stephen and Stephen said,
why didn't you address the play before the Hail Mary?
They should have never gotten the Hail Mary.
The receiver was not in bounds when he made the catch on the play before.
So you're right.
I didn't talk about that play.
And I guess it's because when I watched it, I didn't think it was necessarily worth talking about.
Let me tell everybody the play we're discussing.
It was the second and ten with nine seconds to go.
By the way, the play that preceded that was Russell Wilson being chased down by Cam Curl on the sideline.
It was a great play by Cam Curl.
Russell Wilson scrambled for a first down on fourth and third.
went out of bounds at the 34-yard line, but he wasn't out of bounds, according to the referee.
He was in-bounds because Cam Curl tripped him up just in time. Great play. That play, by the way,
is a lot closer to him being out of bounds than maybe you think. But that play happened,
and then they spiked the ball with nine seconds to go, and they're at the 34. He throws a deep out
to the far sideline to Cortland Sutton. Sutton makes the catch, goes out of bounds.
They call it a catch. They stop the clock with three seconds to go. The ball.
at the 50-yard line. Stephen and many others pointed out that that was not a catch and that they would
have never had a chance at the Hail Mary if that had been ruled not a catch. Somebody else tweeted me
and said at least they should have reviewed it. So I went back and I watched the play and I watched
and listened to the broadcast as well. And by the way, I thought Adam Archeletta did a very good job
calling the game for CBS with Spiro Dides, who's very good too.
So first of all, as it relates to the play itself, I think Sutton caught the ball, and I think it was the right call, or I certainly don't think that there was any visual evidence to overturn the call.
I thought that his right foot was likely down and hadn't lifted off the ground when he gained possession of the ball.
and the left foot did scrape the grass before he went out of bounds,
and there certainly wasn't any video evidence to overturn the call on the field
based on him not maintaining possession going to the ground.
In fact, nothing on video could have overturned the call on the field, in my opinion.
And I actually think there's a pretty good chance that, you know, he caught the
the football and had both feet in and maintain possession.
But here's the other part to it.
They did review it, and they confirmed the call on the field.
So for those of you that reached out to me and said,
why didn't you, you pointed out so many plays that were instrumental in the game,
and you didn't mention that play, I agree that I totally whiffed on not talking about
that play and looking into that play more.
I agree. I should have mentioned that play. But I think it's because when I watched it, I heard what I heard when I went back and watched it again, which is Spiro Dede's saying after Gene Stereator kind of suggests that there's not enough video evidence to overturn the call in the field that the call's been confirmed, which means in the final two minutes, New York confirmed the call. By the way, I'm going to give Ron Rivera some credit here.
that I also didn't mention on the show, he called a timeout.
He didn't think it was a catch.
And he wanted to give them time to review it.
And he called his second time out with three seconds to go.
Good job by Ron in that spot.
Because if they hadn't thought about reviewing it, they then had the time to review it.
But if you go back and listen to the broadcast, Spiro Didi's the play-by-play guy says,
after Sterator, their referee expert,
finishes giving his opinion,
he said the call's been confirmed.
It's not that the call stood,
call was confirmed, confirmed by New York.
And I actually think it was the right call.
I think Cortland Sutton caught the ball,
and if he didn't, there just was no video evidence to overturn it.
Now I want to fast forward to the two-point conversion.
There were a couple of things about this play.
First of all, I do think it was defensive pass interference.
I do, but it is a bang, bang play.
And no, it is not comparable to the Curtis Samuel play against the Giants last year.
That was an egregious miss of a pass interference in the end zone.
This was not egregious.
But there was a grab and tug of Cortland Sutton's outside arm,
and it prevents him from making a really good play on the ball.
You're going to get that called nine times out of ten.
But it was kind of a bang, bang, call,
and maybe not nine times out of ten, eight times out of ten.
But here was the other thing that I noticed on that two-point conversion, Tommy.
Jerry Judy was wide open.
Adam Archiletta before the snap said,
Washington's got to play these crossers.
They can't get confused. They can't get hung up.
They're going to be running crossers here.
And they were running crossers.
And Jerry Judy gets caught up or Derek Forst gets caught up
and Jerry Judy running his crosser and he loses him
and then he's in trailing position and Judy's wide open.
And Sean Peyton said after the game,
I just wish Russ had waited and gotten through his progression
because I think Judy was wide open.
Oh, yeah, he's wide open.
It's an easy pitch catch.
And here's the thing about the pass rush.
The pass rush was so great for much of the second half, really.
And they rushed four, and they didn't get close to him.
They didn't sniff him.
And so he had time to go through his progression.
But I think the pass rush and the pressure that Russell Wilson was under
through much of that game made him hurry up
and go to that first part of his progression.
And so that's the accumulation of how good the defense was that Russ didn't think he would have time to go through the full progression.
Because if he did, Jerry Judy's wide open and the balls in his hands and were going to overtime at 3535.
One more thing that I picked up on this two-point conversion, and it made me go back and look at some of the other portions of the game.
John Allen wasn't on the field on the two-point conversion.
Abdullah Anderson number 92 was in for him.
Now, I thought that was surprising given, you know, he was on the field, I'm pretty sure.
I didn't go back and check.
I probably should have done that.
John Allen had more defensive snaps than any defensive lineman out there.
I mean, this guy is playing, he's playing just an unbelievable percentage of the snaps in the first two games.
So is Duran.
John was out on the field in altitude for 86% of the defensive snows.
snaps. That's an ungodly number for a delinement.
Duran was out there for 77% of them, sweat 73% and Chase Young's 71%.
Those are high percentages for D-Linman to be out there.
By the way, I think all of their D-Lyeman are playing well, and I pointed out yesterday,
I think Casey Two-Hill has been very impressive in his first two games.
But John Allen was not out there.
and Denver chose to double team Abdullah Anderson, number 92, on the two-point conversion.
So Chase Young, Montez, Sweat, and Duran Payne are all singled up.
Neither one of them gets close to Russ.
They don't get home.
You know, they'd been dominant throughout the game, but on the two-point play,
look, they're playing run in that spot too.
They're playing the possibility of the run because you're at the two-yard line.
point conversion. So they got to play run first. It's not a pass down necessarily, but they don't get
close to Russ. And 92, Abdullah Anderson was the guy that got doubled. So I was wondering,
why was he doubled, not Durand, or Chase? Because Chase got chipped and blocked. He got chipped all day
long by tight ends and running backs when he was in there. So they knew they were paying attention
to Chase Young on pass downs in particular. But,
what I found when I went back and watched and did, you know, a partial audit of the game,
they were double teaming on their left side, their left side of their offensive line.
They clearly had a problem with the left side of their offensive line.
Their left guard probably needed some help.
And so that's where they were doubling every time I checked.
So Duran got doubled when he was over there.
John got doubled when he was on that side.
it wasn't that they were doubling Abdullah Anderson because they thought, oh, he's the guy we got to double more than Duran Payne or sweat or Chey Shung.
It's because they were doubling on that side throughout.
I think it actually is very interesting to watch.
We did this a lot last year.
Is Duran or John Allen getting double teamed more in terms of their defensive tackles?
It was kind of split and it was last year.
And a lot of times the double teams come really based on where they are weak on the other side of the line.
his scrimmage.
Right.
Absolutely.
But both of them played outstanding.
Like John Allen is, like I've talked so much about Duran Payne over the last
couple of years.
Sometimes I feel like I'm shorting John Allen.
John Allen's a great player, too.
He's a great player.
They're different, though.
John Allen is more of a technician.
He is strong.
He is athletic.
But he's just not the freak athlete that Payne is.
Payne is an elite player right now.
John is very, very, very good.
Top 10 good.
Duran, though, the athleticism is what kind of separates it to.
Again, John's athletic too.
And now we're seeing Duran Payne the last, you know, last year and this year be the consistent player that we would see occasionally on given plays where you, like Duran Payne's game.
on Sunday, there were three or four, holy shit, did you just see what he did? And you don't get that
as much with John Allen. And we've gotten that with Duran Payne over the years, but just not consistently
throughout a game. He had a drive in that game to start the second half that you put into the
Hall of Fame if he ever ends up there one day. A sack, a tackle for a loss, and a deflection
on a third down throw. It was a personal one-man three-and-out.
But John is excellent.
He is such a good player.
He is such a high-level player, too.
They are the best duo right now in the league,
Interior defensive linemen.
And they're the strength of the football team.
And they won the game because of their D-line last week.
And in many ways, they won the game because they're D-Line and their defense this week.
But it's just that the offense more than came along for the ride.
They were outstanding during that stretch of 30.
two points as well.
Anyway, just a couple of things that I noticed sort of after the fact.
And one other thing, and I don't know if I mentioned this or not yesterday, and I mentioned
to Ben on radio, I hope somebody asks Ron.
Chase Young plays in a two-point stance a lot of the time.
And I'm not talking about like they've got him lined up as an outside linebacker.
No.
In his defensive end, four-man front, he plays up where.
the other three down linemen are in a three-point stance, including, by the way, Montez-Sweat.
I don't know why that is.
I don't have an answer to that.
I would assume it's because he's comfortable doing that, and Jack Del Rio's fine,
with him being a DN playing in a two-point stance, playing up.
He wasn't in that up position every play, but he's in it a lot.
And I have no idea with the answers, none at all.
Also, I watched that onside kick one more time.
Oh, yeah.
That was close.
They were lucky.
That was a great onside kick.
I mean, with the new rules on onside kicks, I mean, the percentage of makes now is so, you know, so low because you can't over, you know, you can't put more players to one side than the other.
So the actual kick itself becomes so crucial.
Like you have to
You know
You have to get that ball to bounce
And then take this big hop at the end
Because you know
Dotson comes up to field it
And then
And then doesn't do a great job
But they ended up falling on it
And did a really good job
After the fact
But anyway
It was Rodriguez
I was blanking
It was Chris Rodriguez
It was number 23 who ends up doing a really good job
job of jumping on the ball. All right. What else do we have on the game? Anything else on the game?
Like, I actually, and I said this yesterday, I think they have a chance against Buffalo.
Like, I don't know that I'd feel that way if they were playing San Francisco on Sunday.
I don't know if I'd feel that way if they were playing Kansas City on Sunday, a healthy Kansas City team.
I actually wouldn't feel great about them playing a team like Miami right now. Buffalo
and Josh Allen, they're going to give you chances.
He plays recklessly.
I can envision three Josh Allen turnovers that are turned into points
and weren't a 24 to 23 kind of a game late.
I could see that.
Can you see them being competitive and having a chance to win?
I think it's possible because of Josh Allen's reckless play.
at certain times.
But, I mean, the Buffalo defense is just, I think,
going to be a nightmare for that Washington offensive line.
You know?
Yeah.
I just think, I just think it's going to be tough sweating.
Unless they've got the kind of play call and to back them off,
that's not the – I mean, Denver does not have a penetrating defense.
the bills do.
So, I mean, I tell you what, I think I give more of a chance to win this week based on that Denver game that I would have after that Cardinals game.
Yeah, for me, it's a combination of the way they got the ball into their playmaker's hands,
Sam Howell doing a great job defensively, outstanding again after the first three drives,
which were an absolute horror show.
it's about that but for me it's the opponent.
I don't know that I'm totally bought into Buffalo being the Super Bowl contender that they were last year or that some still believe they are now.
I think there's been a little bit of, there's been some strange stuff with, you know, they got rid of Leslie Frazier, Sean McDermott's calling the defenses.
Diggs is, you know, major diva.
He and Allen have had, you know, a little bit.
Now they destroyed the Raiders and they've got.
got really good players. Look, the first two games, we can talk about Eric B. Enemy and Ron Rivera
and whatever you want. Washington's players were better than Arizona's players, and Washington's
players were better than Denver's players. This Sunday, they're going to go up against a roster
that is probably overall better than theirs. So we'll see what happens. I mean, remember,
in addition to having a really good quarterback.
They've got Diggs.
They've got, you know, Gabe Davis.
They've got, by the way, they're the ones that drafted that Dalton Kincaid,
who a lot of people thought, you know, would be a Washington possibility,
the tight end from Utah, and he's played very well in their first two games.
They've got, you know, the defensive players.
They've got, you know, Tredavius White and Micahide and Oliver and Rousseau and who am I forgetting.
Milano, who I love.
You know, this is a very, very good team.
But I just feel like Josh Allen sometimes does a really good job of keeping both teams in the game.
And so I give them a chance Sunday.
I do.
All right.
When we come back, two things to finish up with.
One is my big takeaway from watching the Monday night.
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1331 F Street, Northwest. All right, the Monday night games last night, you know, they did the double header last night. I think we've got three of them this year. And then we've also got a Christmas Day triple header, which goes into the night on Monday.
So I watched a lot of the two games last night as I was trying to figure out this problem that we had with just ads downloading on Apple and Spotify.
But anyway, here was my big takeaway from watching Saints Panthers Brown Steelers.
Well, first of all, thank you, Bryce Young for driving the Panthers down late in the game, scoring, and getting the two-point conversion for a Carolina plus three push.
Appreciate that.
The smell test was five, two, and one this weekend.
the quarterbacking in both of these games was horrendous.
And as I was watching these two games, I'm like,
these four teams could use Sam Howell.
Yes, they could.
Sam Howl's better than any of these four guys.
First of all, I've never been the biggest Derek Carr fan.
Most of you know that.
But I do recognize that Derek Carr's had some really good seasons.
He had some really good seasons with the Raiders in Oakland,
and he had a really good season.
I think that one year with the Vegas Raiders.
And he's on a good team.
The Saints have players on that team, and they've got a defense.
He stinks.
I just don't get it.
He's capable at times, and then other times I watch him, and I'm like, God, he is awful.
He was awful last night.
He just wasn't very good, in my opinion.
21 to 36 watching him.
He had an interception, took four sacks.
It looked like he could have had two or three interceptions.
His QBR was terrible.
It was 37.8.
They won the game because Bryce Young is, you know, he's a rookie quarterback.
We see this.
Bryce Young was great at Bama.
I'll tell you what, I'll never forget Stanford Steve telling me,
after watching Bryce Young in the playoff game that they lost to Georgia a couple years ago,
when he said, this dude is not.
nowhere near six feet. Like he might be 5'9, or 5'10 at best. And man, Bryce Young, he does
look small. He's listed at 510. He looks smaller than that. But I think he's, he was a great
college quarterback. He's just young. It's going to take time. So the quarterbacking in that game
was awful. But I think it may have been outdone by the quarterbacking in the other game,
the Pittsburgh Cleveland game. First of all, really sad injury for Nick Chubb.
He's such a great back.
And it's just, I did watch the replay.
And it's not as gruesome as people were making it out to be.
I didn't think.
But he's done for the year.
But my God, Deshawn Watson was horrendous.
Kenny Pickett, year two.
You know, I don't even think he's got 17, a full season of starts yet,
horrendous in the game.
Kenny Pickett, he threw an interception and completed 15 passes out of 30 attempts in the game.
He had the one play.
He had the 71-yarder against the Blitz against Pickens.
I'm a Pickett fan.
I'm not giving up on him.
He was terrible last night.
He had a QBR of 12.3.
Deshawn Watson, he just doesn't look anything like the guy that was in Houston.
Look, a lot's happened to Deshawn Watson.
We all understand that.
He did it to himself.
I'm not acting like he's been a victim.
He's certainly not been.
He played six games at the end of last year.
It's not like, you know, he's been off for two years.
He played six games last year.
He played one good game.
It was the game here.
He was so bad in this game.
Now, he can still run around and create off schedule and make some plays.
Okay, I'm going to give him that.
He's terrible from the pocket.
He is inaccurate.
He was last night.
He had a pick six on the first play from scrimmage,
which was a deflected ball, but it was a poorly thrown pass.
And then he gives up a sack fumble that gets returned by T.J.
Watt for the game winner with six and a half minutes to go in the game.
He had three turnovers.
He took six sacks.
He had a 16.5 QBR.
And I'm just shocked.
Look, it may be that.
that he needs more time. He needs more time in the system. He needs more time with some of his
teammates. And we'll see the Deshawn Watson that we saw some of those years in Houston, which
was we saw a top 10 quarterback, 100% in those years in Houston. He was just scary awful last
night. So was Kenny Pickett. Two bad games. I mean, the Pittsburgh games. I mean, the Pittsburgh
was exciting at the end.
I mean, it was close.
And the Pittsburgh fans, they've got great fans.
But they, you know, the people are complaining about Matt Canada, their offensive
coordinator.
Maybe.
I don't know.
They haven't been good on offense since Ben was healthy.
And that's like five years ago now.
Yeah.
They were bad games.
Not good.
You know, and it could point to this narrative that,
you know, the pre- I mean, the first couple of games, regular season games of the NFL now,
are now your pre-season games.
Yeah, yeah, a lot of, I mean, I think we've been saying that for a while.
All right, so for those that have not seen it,
apparently Elon Musk is considering charging all of us that are on Twitter or X,
whatever you want to call it, a monthly fee.
Probably somewhere in the, you know, two to three bucks a month range.
I asked Denton this morning because I don't pay for the blue check thing.
You and I never got blue checked, which was insane, considering some of the people that did.
You don't pay for the blue check, do you?
No, no, I don't.
Okay, so that's, he told me that's $7.99 to get the, a month to get the blue check.
I don't even know what the benefits of having the blue check are.
I have no idea.
But anyway, so the question is, will I,
either one of us stay on Twitter if we have to pay a monthly fee.
Let's just call it $1.99.
Let's just say it ends up at $2.
Will you pay it?
Well, that depends.
That depends.
If it drives people away, no, I'm not going to pay it.
You know, but if most people are still willing to hang in there,
yeah, listen, I'm going to reveal something here.
Social media and Twitter being the biggest one is important to me.
and I'll tell you why
when I was
when I was
starting out as a columnist
in 96, 97
and I was covering the Orioles
as a columnist.
You know, this is before the internet
and this is before
you know, social media and stuff
and I would write stuff
I'll give me an example
during the playoffs
in 97
when everyone thought that Davy Johnson might get fired at the end of the year by Peter
Angelo's.
I talked to Cal Ripkin and Brady Anderson after one of the playoff games, and they both went
on the record saying that they didn't want Davey fired, that he should come back.
That was a big story.
No one else had it but me.
Right.
Okay?
And I wrote it, but for the most part, people in Baltimore,
Baltimore had no idea I wrote it.
You know, there was no track, no way to get traction, okay, in the Washington Times
sports, you know, section at that point.
You know, people in Washington and who subscribed to the Washington Times saw it, you know,
but otherwise up in Baltimore, nobody.
Right.
You know, and this is a big thing, and it used to drive me nuts.
You know, I mean, I had a call.
had a guy who wrote for the son, Joe Strauss, very competitive, great baseball writer.
He didn't see it until three days later, and he comes up to me at the airport while we're waiting
for a plane, and he says, that was a hell of a story you had that was really good.
And I'm sitting there thinking, yeah, but it's three days old.
Twitter changed that for me.
Yeah.
Okay, I don't have a platform like the Washington Post.
Yeah, I can see that.
Okay.
Yeah.
So social media and Twitter kind of changed that for me.
And the most important thing to me is that people in our business see what I've done
and make judgments one way or the other.
That's important to me.
That's important to you more so than readers and potential future readers of your column
having access to that?
That would, to me, that would be the most important thing.
That doesn't bother me.
It's no big deal.
It's the people, particularly people I respect in the business.
If I've got something, I want them to know about it.
Right.
You know?
Okay.
So social media and Twitter has given me a chance to do that.
And, I mean, if there's no replacement for Twitter,
then at this stage in my career, it really doesn't matter anymore.
You know, it's not that big of a deal.
But so I'm not going to hang on to Twitter if, you know, a lot of other colleagues leave as well.
I'll just, you know, kiss a goodbye and live with what's left.
Hell, if.
But that would be, to me, see, this is what I don't understand.
that would be the opportunity for you.
If it's mostly your colleagues that leave it,
now you're going to have a potential much bigger audience on social media,
especially if you continue to write great stories and break stories
because there will be less competition.
But you're in it for what your colleagues think of you.
That's interesting.
The ones I respect.
The ones you respect.
Well, that list is short.
You know, once in a while, I'll post something, and somebody of note, like a Pulitzer Prize-winning writer or something like that, will like it or comment about it.
Right.
Okay.
I mean, that, to me, that's gold.
That's what I care about.
I mean, look, it's difficult in a small sports section like the Washington Times to get from any kind of recognition.
And I'm like a lot of other people.
No, I understand.
I understand.
Yeah.
No, I know.
I know the challenge you have from a columnist standpoint for the paper that you've worked with.
You know, look, I mean, we can speak candidly here.
we're all in this market.
You know, first of all, newspapers in general are less consumed and less read than ever before.
But your newspaper isn't anywhere near what it used to be in terms of its stature.
And even when it had stature, it was a distant, distant second to the post.
Right.
The sports section I'm just speaking to in particular.
Our sports section is diminished greatly.
I mean, years ago, we used to have a pretty good sports section.
But even then, it was, it's reached was not that far.
Look, I always put it like this.
And if I did any kind of recognition for my work,
it's not because of who I work for.
It's in spite of who I work for.
You know, there are people in this business that get,
recognition for their work because of who they work for.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying. True. That's true.
That's my soul bearing social media moment right there.
The DCAA podcast association, whatever it's called, that recognizes this podcast.
Are we being recognized because of the people we work for or because of the product we're producing?
Well, I think clearly it's the product we're producing.
I think so, too.
You know me.
If I didn't do what I do, I'd probably be on Twitter, but I would never tweet.
I would never tweet.
I would never get involved in any sort of conversations with people.
Look, there are some conversations I've had with people on Twitter that have been very productive and I've enjoyed.
But for the most part, I think it is a cesspool of dumb.
And I think it's just a fraction of like real life and real and what we're really doing here.
But I think if we have to pay for it, I'm going to have to pay for it.
Or I could get my employer.
I could get the Kevin Sheehan Show podcast employer, you know, a company to pay for it, which means I'm paying for it.
Maybe I could get my radio company to pay for it.
Yeah, the radio station.
I couldn't give it shit about $1.99 a month.
I mean, there are so many things that pop up as a monthly subscription fees that I didn't even know I still had on my American Express every month.
But I know that I'm going to have – I mean, you make a good point.
Like if all of a sudden, 75 to 80% of the people who are on it aren't on it anymore and it becomes a very niche thing because it's subscriber based, well, that's different.
But if everybody ends up paying for it and it's still important for the promotion of the radio show that I do and the podcast that we do, then I'll continue to be a part of it.
Look, I do think I would never be off Twitter if it continues to be the, you know, the truest in the moment news source that there is.
Like, it's instantaneous.
Like, I get so much of news from Twitter, you know, whether it's from, I'm not waiting for tomorrow's newspaper or for the seven o'clock, you know, NBC nightly news, whoever even hosts that now.
I know Nora O'Donnell does it on CBS.
I do know that.
I don't know who does NBC or ABC off the top of my head.
But yeah, if everybody were to bolt and Musk got a 20% hit rate on subscriber fees, that's different.
But I would bet you for $1.99 a month, he doesn't lose a lot.
And I still question as to whether or not he'll actually do it.
I bet he doesn't.
I mean, the one thing I...
By the way, he said a couple weeks ago, he said a couple months ago
that he was going to get rid of the block option,
that you can't block people anymore.
Right.
Well, you can't do that.
You can't have a social media, Google and everybody else.
You can't have a social media site without people's ability to block.
It's not, they don't, they won't allow it.
Yeah, because, I mean,
I've never blocked somebody or muted somebody ever.
I know you do it all the time.
I have never done it once.
I,
but I understand why you can't eliminate it
because people have to be able to protect themselves.
Yes.
On social media.
So he's blown off a lot of steam before and nothing happened.
Yeah.
I mean, really, I mean, he's turned it into a bit of a cesspool.
Let's face it.
There's stuff that shows up on my feed.
Oh, my.
God.
That would have never showed up before.
I have no idea how it gets there.
I can't stand it right now.
It's not as easy as it used to be.
That's for sure.
And, you know, not only that, like for one of the reasons I use Twitter,
especially direct message, is, you know, I'll see something that somebody wrote and I'll
be like, huh, that person might be a good guest, but I don't have a number for that person.
And if they have a blue check, I can't DM them now unless I have a.
a blue check.
You know, that's
ridiculous.
Whatever. I mean, they're trying to get
everybody to pay the $7.99 a month.
There's no way. We didn't get a
we deserved a blue check
and we didn't have one.
And now we can pay for one
and we don't want one.
I think that's even better.
Actually, now I think if you have a blue check,
it's a bit embarrassing. But now people
know that you feel completely.
compelled to pay $7.99 a month to have a blue check. I think it's a bit of an embarrassment for some people.
I think that that makes sense, but I actually had this conversation with somebody the other day and they didn't have the answer.
What benefits do you get from having a blue check? Because maybe the benefits for the people that are paying for it,
that it's more than just, hey, I got a blue check. Because I think everybody now knows if you have a blue check, you paid for it.
So there's no status in having a blue check.
check if you paid for it.
But maybe you're getting something for that $7.99 a month that certain people and certain
businesses need to have.
I don't know.
I don't know what the benefits are.
I have not considered paying for a blue check.
Anyway, I know you wrote a column that you wanted to mention real quickly.
Tell everybody what it's about.
Okay.
I wrote about how Josh Harrison, I call them his band of saviors, his owner's, his owner's
group are experiencing something that no other new owner in franchise history has experience,
and that's a two-and-o start.
None of the other owners in the past have won their first two regular season games
when they were like controlling or new owners.
Right.
So, Dan, when they moved to Washington, they won their season opener, but then they lost the
following week.
Edward Bennett Williams
went 0 and 5 when he took over his owner.
Jack Kent Cook lost the opener 17 to 3
to the Dallas Cowboys.
His son, John Kent Cook,
lost their second game to the Pittsburgh Steelers,
and Dan Snyder lost his first game
to the Cowboys in overtime.
We won the 35.
So Josh Harris and his group
are the first ones
who have ever taken over this team.
to go 2-0.
I certainly remember the Rocket Ishmael game.
That was 35 to 14 in Dan Snyder's first game as an owner.
Brad Johnson throwing touchdowns all over the field.
And here comes Troy Aitman, 21 unanswered in the fourth quarter,
and Rocket Ishmael wide open in overtime.
41-35.
God, that was a painful loss.
Painful opener.
There was a lot more pain to come, though,
with the new owner at the time.
All right, anything else?
Are we done for the day?
I think we're done, boss.
All right, let me let everybody know tomorrow Cooley
film breakdown.
That's the plan.
Until then, have a great rest of the day.
Talk to you then.
Play action.
Oh, he's got a wide open.
He's got right.
The Redskins, 41 to 35.
In one for the ages, between,
Dallas and Washington.
