The Kevin Sheehan Show - Dwayne Haskins and Dan Snyder's Yacht

Episode Date: June 18, 2019

Kevin and Thom open the show talking about John Keim's story on Dwayne Haskins' progress thus far. They turned to the Bradley Beal to New Orleans reports and got into why the Wizards may have backed off their pursuit of Toronto GM Masai Ujiri. They also talked Anthony Davis trade and the report this morning that Redskins' owner Dan Snyder is in the south of France looking for the new stadium's naming sponsor. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. All right, I am here. Aaron is here and Tommy is here. This show is presented by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation.com and tell them that we told you to call. Didn't do a show yesterday. Don't worry about it. We're here. Do you know, Aaron, I believe this. This is true. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe it's the first day that we haven't done a show that wasn't like a holiday since we started the podcast in September. I feel like there might have been one other day that you weren't feeling great. Really? Yeah, I vaguely remember that happening one other time. I thought we took a day, like the day, we took Christmas Eve. No, we did a Christmas Eve show because there was a game that day or a game the day before. whatever. Anyway, we're here today. And for those of you that missed us yesterday, we appreciate that. It's nice to be missed. You usually post. And it was very good to hear some of you actually miss the show,

but I'm glad that the first show of the week is actually with you, because you were busy this weekend. Yes, I was. You were busy writing stuff and breaking news for all intents and purposes, which we'll get to in a minute. But I wanted to just tell you that I think I told you, this, I don't know, two months ago, I told you that I was getting these migraines, which I had yesterday, one or two every month, like these severe migraines. And so had some tests done, but basically the neurologist said, you got to go get a sleep study done because it could be sleep apnea that's causing this. And I don't sleep well. Do you sleep well? Sometimes. I'd say on and all. Overall, I don't have a problem with my sleep.

Once in a while I don't sleep well, but I usually do. How many hours a night do you sleep? Well, it depends. Like last night, I went to the game last night that got rained out. Oh, but talk about that. By the time I got home and went to bed, I had like four, four and a half, five hours sleep. Okay. I mean, but, I mean, like, if I'm, what, I really try to get eight hours.

I can't tell you the last time I had eight. I can't tell you the last time I had seven. my average is around five a night oh if i don't have to get up yeah you know there's that there's that six a m wake up uh where your internal body tells you that you better get up and do something you know yeah and once you once i do that and then go back to bed for the second sleep that second sleep is as deep as you can possibly imagine and it sometimes it could be three out i slept till 10 o'clock the other day oh my god that second sleep sleep sometimes on a weekend.

Yeah. When you wake up, because I have been stuck in this routine for a long time now, getting up pretty early and sleeping really on average five hours a night, which isn't enough, you know, and I understand that. I'm trying to. On the weekends, though, you know, if I get up at, say, 545 and I'll go down and I'll read the paper, make some coffee, you know, take the dog for a walk and then come back and start to doze.

Now, that's a deep sleep, right? It's better than the sleep I had just gotten. Oh, absolutely. I don't know why that is, but it's true. The second sleep is deep, baby. So anyway, I had this neurologist say, you've got to get this sleep study done. So it was scheduled for the first time, I don't know, two or three months ago. I blew it off.

Of course. I just didn't want to do it. We don't need no stinking sleep study. Then the second time, I think I blew it off. I think I mentioned it to Cooley's like, no, no, you got to get that done. And then a bunch of people tweeted me, no, she and you really got to get that done. Like it could change everything about your life and your sleep and the whole thing because people tweeted me and said, I had it done, I didn't want to get it done, but it was totally worthwhile.

So anyway, to make a long story short, last night was the third schedule of it. And I decided to go because there weren't any games on. There wasn't anything that I was necessarily missing. So I went in. Tommy. Was your bookie clothes late yesterday? Was that the reason? there was certainly not much to think about last night.

I don't know how in the hell they could have learned anything about the way I sleep because I couldn't sleep. I swear to God there's no less than 15 to 20 things attached to your body. You know, wires, cords, things that are patched up. I couldn't sleep at all, at all. I maybe fell asleep two times for an hour time. hour and a half maybe and then by the way hello here comes wake-up call at 5 a.m. I could not wait to get out of there. I don't know how they could have learned anything about my sleep last night. I don't know how anybody could sleep with all that shit all over you. I mean seriously it was uncomfortable the bed was fine the technician the people the nurse whatever they were all very nice the pillows were okay. How nice was the nurse? By the way no HDTV, the nurse was fine. She knew what she was doing and gave you good instructions.

It takes 10 minutes to hook you up. And then you got to basically try to angle yourself into bed with all this stuff coming out. I sleep on my sides. Either the left side or the right side, usually my left side. I do not sleep on my back. I can't sleep on my back, never been able to sleep on my back. I can sleep on my stomach much easier than I can sleep on my back. But anyway, trying to get into a position that was comfortable was next to impossible. And again, I swear to you, I think I fell asleep. I mean, it was about 10 o'clock by the time the nurse and the technician left the room. And I had the TV on, it was not HD, by the way.

I was turning to the HD channels and I'm like, hey, your TV doesn't work in here. They're like, oh, no, we don't have HD. Wow. So I was watching, what was I watching? I was, the Giants and Dodgers were on. I had that on. I don't even know why I had that on. I had no interest in watching it.

But Tommy, I swear to God, I think I fell asleep for the first time at midnight, woke up at 110, fell asleep maybe for the second time at like 245 or 3 and woke up at like 415 and that was it. That was it. Can you have your phone with you? I did have my phone with you. Okay. And I got a call at pretty late at night as well, which was, you know, part problematic.

It wasn't a significant situation, but it was one of my boys calling. It's never a good call. With an issue, it wasn't super late, but it was a car-related issue. And I said, and this was my answer. Is everybody okay? Yeah, everybody's fine. Call your mother. Because I needed to do this thing.

So once I found out he was okay, I was just call mom, you know, she'll whatever she needed to do. Anyway, I don't know how they learned anything. I didn't ask what the results were. I'm sure they won't tell you. They just send them to your doctor. But anyway, that was my sleep study. Thanks to all of you who recommended that it would be potentially life-changing, I will be shocked if they learn anything about my sleep patterns. Because I couldn't sleep last night.

Now, I had one done once, but because, you know, the doctor said you probably have sleep acne at one point, but I had it done at home on my own. Right. There are. In other words, they send you stuff, they give you instructions about how to hook it up and send the data back to the home office. Well, how did you, I mean, then there's no way you could have hooked yourself up the way they hooked me up last night.

They probably not as intricate. Yeah. But, I mean, I had stickers and electrodes all over me. And I did it once and it came back like it always comes back. I mean, I don't know anyone who's ever taken a sleep test and come back not, you have sleep apnea. I don't know anyone. Well, when I first mentioned this a few months ago, I had no less than a half dozen people who said it was the, it changed their life. were diagnosed with it and now they have one of those, God forbid, I mean, I hope you know me,

I'm not very coachable when it comes to this stuff. If I do have something and they tell me I got to wear something at night, do you really think I'm going to wear it? Well, my point is, everybody gets diagnosed with sleep apnea who takes the test. So it seems kind of fishy in a way. Oh, I see what you're saying. I mean, there's nobody I know. Did you get diagnosed with it?

Yes, I did. Oh, I thought you were going to tell me that. No, I did. It was, it was miles. So they said, you know, you need to wear the mask. And I didn't want to wear the mask. So they said, well, you can wear a nozzle under your nose and just use that. Kind of like an oxygen kind of thing.

Right. You know? And I tried that and I didn't like that. And then they said, well, and I had guys swear to me. I had guys say, you know, get the mask. You'll love it. It'll change your life. It's unbelievable how great it is, they swore.

I got the mask. I said, you got to. be out of your mind. Yeah, you're not coachable either. However long my life is, whether it's five minutes or 50 years, I'm not sleeping with this thing on every night. Yeah, I know. You know I'll feel the same way if they tell me that that's what I have to do.

But I will say this, Tommy, when you get a severe migraine and I didn't have these until two years ago, maybe, really, actually, that's not true. I think I may have had them when I was younger as a kid. But when you get one of these severe migraines, you'd rather be dead. Yeah, I know. And so. There's nothing to trifle with. So if that got rid of them for sure and guaranteed that I wasn't going to have them,

would you wear the mask? I think I would if I was told that that was the reason I was getting these migraines. Wow. That I would. Because I think it's, you know, one of the triggers is lack of sleep or not getting enough sleep. Yeah. So if this helped me get more sleep, I think I would do it. Yeah, but I think if it would get more sleep.

if you were a little bit more disciplined about going to bed at a reasonable time. I think that's true, but I never, I do go to bed late, but I could not get into bed at 10 o'clock and fall asleep. It couldn't happen. I know that. You know what's funny? And you're a long way from this. But there will be an age, God Almighty, I can't believe I'm saying this,

where 10 o'clock to bed will make sense. Yeah. I mean, look, I was, I used to, and this is not that long ago, maybe 15, years ago, uh, where I, at eight o'clock at night, I would go down in my office and I'd write,

work on my books. And I'd work on the books till midnight one in the morning. And I'd get up early in the morning to make sure the kids got off for school. Okay, because my wife got up much earlier than me, so she wasn't around then. And so five hours, sleep was the norm for me then. And that's how I functioned.

Yeah. Uh, but not now. Not now. Yeah. All right, let's get to you. So you went out to Nats Park last night. Yeah. Should the game have been called or should they have played the game last night? It poured, it poured rain most of the night. Until what time?

Well, I left at 9.30. It was still pouring. Oh, I didn't know that. I was, I was under the- Frederick, it didn't rain at all. I was under the impression that it didn't rain that much after 7-730. No, it actually, that's when it really started raining. after 7.730. It didn't rain much. Like at the schedule game time, I'm not sure it was raining.

I don't think it was at 705 when the game was supposed to start. But they knew what was coming. And there were torrential downpours after the scheduled game time. And like I said, I left at like 915, 930, and it was raining. So now this gets pushed back to a game tonight and then a double header tomorrow. And they're supposed to have the same weather issue tonight. and tomorrow night and Thursday night. Right.

So they could have a huge problem. Yeah, these are, it's four games. Yes. So four games. And then three after that with the Braves. With no break. Yeah. So there's not like an off day there.

Meantime, you bring up the Braves, they're rolling right now. They're red hot. You know, all of a sudden, you know, we said before the division at the top was going to, you know, allow for an opportunity, you know, to be six back, seven back, rather than being 10 or 11 back. But the Braves now are getting some separation with, you know, I'm looking at the Nats. Nats are now nine games behind Atlanta.

You know, and I got a column running tomorrow about this. I asked Dave Martinez, two questions yesterday. What does the team have to do to climb in back into a division race? And he gave the standard he's up to win today. You know, you just got to win one game. You can't worry about tomorrow. you just have to win a game in front of you. But I asked them what can't happen for a team to climb back into the race,

what would prevent them from doing it? And he said, you know, you can't have the two or three game losing streaks that we've had. You can't, when you're trying to gain ground, you can't have losing streaks like even three in a row or something like that. So I went back and looked at the years where the Nats failed 2015, 2013. last year, and, you know, where they were trying to gain ground to catch up. And they had at least a half a dozen or more losing streaks in June, July, August, September, some of them as many as six games that kept them from climbing back in the race. They have a rotation, it would seem, with Steven Strasbourg, Max Schur, and Patrick Corbyn,

that would help prevent that. That would help prevent those losing streaks. But the point of the column is, you know, what they can't afford to do is lose three, four games in a row. I mean, that's like starting all over again in a way. And they're going to run out of time if they keep starting all over again. So, I mean, you can lose a game here, a game there. You can lose two in a row. But you can't get on a losing streak.

If you want to climb back in this race, you can't afford to have three, four game losing streaks along the way anymore. Can't do it. No, it makes total sense. You know, especially now that the division has a frontrunner or a division leader who is, well, they've got the second best record now in the National League behind the Dodgers. They're very impressive. So there's, you know. And they'll be coming to town this weekend. It will be.

And the weather's supposed to be nice this weekend. This weekend, fine. Next few nights, not so good. It'll be interesting to see how much of this Philly series they're able to get in these next two or three nights. All right, we're going to circle back here in a little while to Tommy's work over the weekend. He uncovered a few things about the Wizards' pursuit of Maasai Ujiri. And there's a lot of other things going on with the Wizards, including, by the way, some reports that Bradley Beale could be traded to New Orleans.

So I want to get to all of that a little bit later on. But I wanted to start, you know, after the discussion we just had, which always goes longer than we think it's going to go, with John Kimes' story that came out, I think, Friday, Tommy, on Dwayne Haskins. He had John Gruden and Dwayne Haskins and a few other players to himself to really dig into the progress or lack thereof of Dwayne Haskins so far. And I basically cut out all of the quotes that I, thought were interesting. Some of them are somewhat conflicting, but we know Jay, so I think we have

a sense of what Jay's trying to say, but I want to go through them sort of one at a time. You know, if you haven't read this story, this was not, you know, Jay Gruden on the press conference podium talking to everybody. This was with John one-on-one, John Kime one-on-one, and also with Haskins, one-on-one, and a few other people that Kime got. So I'm I'm going to start off by reading a bunch of the Gruden quotes on Haskins. Then I'll give you some of the Haskins quotes, and then I'll give you some of the quotes from other players on the team. But John asked Gruden if he's seen enough to know whether or not Dwayne Haskins is a serious contender for the starting job,

like in terms of the opener against Philadelphia. And Gruden said, quote, oh, for sure, I'd be silly not to. He's put enough out there on tape to say he deserves a shot, without a doubt. Then he says, I don't know quite what he can do in the NFL in this system because it's new to him, but his ability warrants the fact that, hey, let's take a peek at this big son of a bitch. So his physical prowess has been impressive to everybody. Yes, it has. More Gruden. This is more Gruden on, on Haskins. Quote, you see the wow plays and you're like, Jesus, when he's on, there's nobody you'd rather have than Dwayne. Really? It's pretty. He stands tall. He has a

cannon. He can quicken up his release. He's got great touch. Strong, powerful arm, strong, powerful body. But sometimes when he's off, he's abnormally off. It's kind of weird, closed quote. So when I read that, you know, we've heard since the first time Haskins showed up, how impressed people are with his physical size, presence, and his arm strength. Yes. We've heard that over and over again. The one thing that I said all year about Haskins and one of the reasons I didn't like or didn't love him as a prospect, this was before the Redskins took him, and we were talking draft, is I watched.

watched a lot of, you know, you basically got to see every Ohio State game. And there were games when he got pressured, he was off, like way off, like super high, super late, super off. And I think that's what Gruden's referring to, that, you know, sometimes when he's off, he's abnormally off. It's kind of weird. And there were times at Ohio State, especially in third down, when you had to throw the ball down the field against a good defensive team. Michigan State was a good defensive team. Washington in the bowl game in the second half they really came on. And you could see him occasionally, you know, throw it off his back foot, overthrow somebody by, you know, three or four feet. And it just looked weird.

Gruden, continuing. He can just see the whole field extremely well, very positive. For a young quarterback, a lot of times when there are rushers, they have a tendency to look down. He has a natural ability to keep his eyes up and down the field. It's like a video game where he can see and make him. make all the throws. There's a lot to like about him and there's a lot to clean up, as we would expect, but he's been impressive. One of the things that I love to hear a coach say about a quarterback is that he sees the whole field. He's got that vision of seeing everything, rather than

looking down and looking to escape. Look, the thing about Dwayne Haskins, he's never had the ability to feel pressure and say, I'm going to use my legs to get out of here. He's got to make it happen with his arm in the pocket. So I thought that was maybe the most complimentary thing that Gruden said in terms of specifics. I liked him saying that, that he sees the field and he doesn't look down. He's got a natural ability to keep his eyes up and down the field. And then he says there's the comfort level he has to continue to get when he calls a play and knows exactly what we're trying to do or when I start to call a formation, he knows what

play is coming. That's going to come with time. lots and lots of time, Dwayne may not quite be there yet. That's not something we know yet. I hope that's not the case. He didn't make many mistakes at Ohio State in the year he played. That's something we have to play out, close quote.

So that was all of Gruden on Haskins. What did you hear there that would tell you he's got a legitimate shot other than him saying it to start the opener? And did you hear anything that would make you believe that he doesn't? I didn't hear anything to make me believe he doesn't. I mean, I heard a coach who's very, who is always very circumspent about what he says sometimes about players.

Even with his praise on players, he'll always have a qualifier. So he had a lot of qualifiers in there about, the Haskins. But overall, it sounds like he's saying that if Dwayne Haskins continues to progress, he's going to be the starting quarterback. He didn't say how quick that progression might take,

but there's nothing in there to indicate that it's a long-term project. So last week, Aaron and I were talking about this. Aaron thinks that the odds favor Dwayne Haskins starting the opener. I think after talking to a lot of the beat reporters and listening to Jay. And I think there's some Jay in there that tells me that he's not going to start the opener, that Keenham's going to start the opener,

but that Jay has seen enough to believe that he can start at some point next year. By the way, it's also in Jay's best interest to be very positive about Haskins right now. That's true. By the way, I'm not just talking about because of Dan and Bruce. I'm talking about for Haskins' sake,

you know, there's no reason when you have at least one veteran that can start for you, if not two, there's no reason to be openly critical or even that constructively critical. And he is in there a little bit, but there's more positive than negative. Yeah, those are qualifiers. That's when you're heaping praise on somebody and you don't want it to seem over to top. I do think that the one big takeaway for me, and reading some of that Jay stuff, and then hearing Jay during OTAs and minicamp, is that Jay's not completely sure yet,

and Jay understands, like I think most long-time football fans understand, is you just don't know until you put them out there in a real spot. You know, like I know I've said before that, you know, coaches tend to know, Cooley said within the first week, they're going to know whether or not this guy can actually start this year of training camp. He said being in training camp. Mike Shanahan said he's going to know in the first few days whether or not this guy is getting it, you know, at the rate he needs to get it to play next year. And maybe that's true and we'll hear more of that in training camp.

But what I'm hearing here is he's got the look. He's got a lot of good things about him. And I'm just not going to know until I actually put him out there with live bullets. and by the way, live bullets are not preseason games. To me, they're not. But anyway, my guess still today, even after reading all those quotes from Gruden, is that Case Keenheim starts the Philadelphia game, the opener. I would put the odds that Case Keenham's the starter,

but that there's a shot that he plays much sooner rather than later, sometime in the first five, six weeks of the season. Well, again, after the first five weeks, the schedule changes dramatically. We'll see, yeah. I mean, they go from the Patriots to the Dolphins from week five to week six. I know. So, I mean, that would, look, we're all basing this on the fact that Jay's going to pick the starting quarterback, too. That's not necessarily true.

I totally, I'm taking that into consideration. And I think. And if it's close, if it's as you think it may be, and it sounds like it could be close, don't you think? If Haskins can play, the competitive landscape should mean that if he can actually do it, it should be close. It's Keenham and Colt. Right. You know, it's not Aaron Rogers and Tom Brady. But what you just said, do you know how many people are listening out there rolling their eyes and saying, oh, there they go.

There's Tommy. Stop rolling your eyes and join us in the real effing world. If it's close and you don't think Dan Snyder is going to have his hand in this decision, you are so effing naive. It's ridiculous. If you don't think there is some pressure right now to really push Dwayne to get him ready so that in August they can start selling that Dwayne is the starter, you're out of your mind.

Now, I'm not suggesting that he's going to force it if all the football people are saying, no, no, no, no. He can't do it yet. And it'll hurt his progression. There's some things that the locker room will push back on it. That's right. You have to win over to locker room, too. But Dan Snyder is hoping, beyond hope,

that it's clear that Haskins is the starter. And if it's close, there's no doubt in my mind that he's going to be talking to the coaches. Yes. About what they should do if it's close. Yeah. I would tend to agree with someone who would say, he's not going to force Jay Gruden to play him

if the kid's nowhere near ready to play. I think I agree with that. It would be hard to, again, you'd have the locker room pressure. Oh, that didn't stop him before when Colt beat the Cowboys in that Monday night game. And then they turned around and started Griffin. When everyone in the locker room knew who should have started that Vikings game.

So he's capable of, you know, sticking his middle finger up at the locker room and saying, we're going to start who we want to start. But look, I don't know anything about Dwayne Haskins personally. I have reasonable suspicions about his father based on that bizarre conversation he had with that New Jersey reporter before the season and the whole Haskin and Haskins business enterprise. But from what I can see from afar, Dwayne Haskins seems like.

a grounded, smart young guy. And if he is that, he's going to know if he's ready or not. So I want to get to his quotes because I think they are telling also, or more telling than even Gruden's quotes. By the way, just one quick point on, you know, Dan inserting himself and telling Jay Roberts healthy, he's our starter, he's starting in the Minnesota game. It was also Jay Gruden's first year's head coach.

Yes, it was. And one of the reasons he got the job is he told, Dan that he could make RG3 work. Yes, he did. So if after one win against the Cowboys with Colt McCoy said he's my starter, it would not have, it would not

bode well or wouldn't have at the time. All right, so here was Haskins with Kine talking about various things. Here's him talking about a few things including calling plays. Quote, watching film, calling plays, just getting used to being in different

terminology at Ohio State I used to play Madden to learn the playbook. May I just insert one thing here with Aaron? I've played Madden football a lot with my sons over the years. I'll play Tiger Woods Golf and Madden football, you know, on our thing downstairs. But I would ask you if Ohio State's playbook, we had the NFL. We didn't have the college football. Would he be able to live?

literally learn the playbook by playing Ohio State and Madden football? You could. If you were to, you can actually like make plays and make a playbook. So hypothetically, if you had somebody dedicated to it, you could put the actual playbook into Madden or NCAA football or whatever. Okay. I, like when I was playing, if I ever played the Redskins on Xbox, you know, against one of my boys, I didn't literally think that it was the Redskins playbook.

a similar group of the kinds of plays that would be available for, say, the 2015 Redskins or 2016 Redskins with Kirk Cousins. And yes, I did play those particular teams every once in a while. But I didn't think it was a replica of the playbook. The natural one isn't, but if you were going and could customize it, you can do it. And I'm sure either he or somebody he knew could easily put that information into Madden while he was in college. So he continued, quote, once I learn the playbook, I know what I'm doing, I can call out the reads and point out site adjustments and move protections, everything else will go from there. So I feel one full year of learning would do me justice. That's the first quote that was interesting from him. He said, I'm not worrying about starting week one. I just want to be ready to play week one, whether that's this year or next year.

Whenever the time comes for me to play, I want to make sure that when I do play, I don't want to look back. And that's, you know, him saying, I want to be ready when they put me out there so that when I'm out there, it's not experimental. It's for good. You know, which, by the way, that's some self-awareness on his part. It is. I give him a lot of credit for those answers. That's very smart to publicly basically say that. Again, my issue is not necessary.

My issue of self-destruction is not with Dwayne Haskins. It's with the people around him. Of course. You know, so I think this kid. Yeah, we just don't know enough about him. I mean, you know, there were a few red flags there. The $50 a bowling alley draft night thing. But that could have been his father.

Right. So overall, he seems like a smart, sensible kid. The Bentley? The embroidered seats? Look, I mean. With his branding marketing company? I probably, if it were me, I probably would have bought a Lincoln town car. I'm more of a town car guy than a Bentley guy, an old school town car guy.

You would have bought a Volkswagen bus. But these are very encouraging quotes from him and very smart. So let me just play one quick devil's advocate quickly, is that I think some people would say, that's not what a hyper competitor says. Hyper competitor says, I'm going to get this thing right, and I'm going to be ready for week one, and I'm going to make this a very difficult decision, you know, in terms of who starts because I'm going to be advanced.

But hypercompetitiveness is overrated. You want somebody smart enough to walk the line between competition and respect. I mean, you want somebody smart enough to be able to do that. I mean, hypercompetitiveness can destroy you. I disagree with, and destroy people around you. I disagree with you. I would not say it's overreact. but I would agree with you in that you can be both.

You can be self-aware and you can be super competitive. And I don't mind these quotes from him. It says to me that this guy knows that this is a big adjustment. He only started one year. And he didn't call plays in a huddle. There's a lot to learn. And he doesn't want to walk out there and play until he is ready to be the starting quarterback. And privately, and I wouldn't fault him for this at all.

he may think to himself, I'm the Redskins starting quarterback. Already. Yeah. Whether it's in 2019 or 2020. I'm the Redskins starting quarterback. And that may be, maybe that's based on what he's seen so far in camp. I'm not saying that he's saying that because he knows the influence of his good buddy, Dan Snyder. I think he probably has looked around and looked at Case Keating him and said, yeah, he's nice.

But he's not, he's not Dwayne Haskins. All right. A couple of his teammates. wait in for the Kime column on Friday. I would urge you to read it. Haskins, John writes, Haskins must develop and learn. In meetings, he asks offensive coordinator Kevin O'Connell about his former teammate Brady. Haskins picked the brain a veteran cornerback, Dominique Rogers Cromarty, after plays asking why he jumps certain routes. And DRC said, quote, I tell him when he sets his feet or when he

looks a certain way. He's staring down a little bit. Everything I tell him, he comes back to next day and he beats me with it. In minicamp last week, Redskins Corner, Josh Norman, made a diving interception off Haskins in the end zone. There was a good natured trash talking before the play and later with lessons sprinkled in for Haskins. Norman, quote, he's got some fire to him. He has no fear, closed quote. Jay Gruden weighing in on what the players think about him said, quote, he's already earned the respect of a lot of people around here. They're excited because they've seen bits and pieces of the potential. He's seeking information. He's attentive in meeting rooms. He has a ways to go mentally. We're throwing a lot of formations at him and it's all new to him.

We'll see how he takes this period and how it transfers to when it comes back and how much he retains. That's going to be the key, meaning when he gets back for training camp. Look, the brief window that we've all got to see him in rookie minicamp OTAs and minicamp, there's nothing to discourage you so far about the pick, right? Well, nothing, but there wouldn't. But I'm saying it's a brief window. I mean, look, look, I mean, I know you're saying. No, it's better than, it's better than what I feared we might hear at this point from Gruden.

who is pretty direct and pretty easy to read. And I did fear when they picked him that it would be early in mini-camp OTAs or some point in training camp when it was just some frustration that Jay sometimes cannot, you know, hold back. Right. And saying things like, look, he's got some real talent. This is the NFL. He's got a long way to go. You know, we're, we, he's got to learn.

He's got to learn how to call plays. You know, some of these things he's saying, but not in a demon. constructive, frustrated way, which I think is encouraging. I think that's encouraging. Here's the big problem for this kid, this rookie this year. He's going into the season with right now, he's going into training camp with the uncertainty of having his best protector not there in Trent Williams. He's going into training camp with at best unproven weapons, you know, and the

unproven weapons are the are the new guys you know the the ones who are there either can't stay healthy or just aren't very good so he doesn't have a lot of weapons that we know of and he may he may have to live through the season where he's got no one to really throw to and no one to protect him other than that everything should be fine other than that mrs lincoln how is the play um and what does that do to him you know yeah i don't know i i still think And we've talked about this before, but one of the real intrigues, one of the most intriguing things about this season is just Jay Gruden's situation. Is it more beneficial for him to go 9 and 7 with Case Keenham and be a six-seed and losing a wild card game? Or is it more beneficial for him to go 6 and 10 with Dwayne Haskins starting 12 games?

and over the final 12, their steady improvement to the point where, you know, the arrows pointed up, which is better for Gruden because the owner wants to see that young quarterback be the franchise quarterback. Yeah. And I know. He wants the limited amount of seats that have Redskins fans in them, wearing number seven jerseys that aren't Joe Thaisman. Right. That's what he wants.

And I know that, you know, Kansas City went 12 and 4 with Alex Smith and went to, the playoffs. They lost in the first round, by the way, and then traded them and started Mahomes in year two after they had traded up to get Mahomes. And you could say, hey, they could go to the playoffs with Case Keenham and still start Dwayne Haskins in 2020. Yeah, they could. But can you, I mean, this team doesn't go to the playoffs very often. Kansas City does. And by the way, Alex Smith was, you know, had been there for a while. And, you know, their fan base and their media and their coaching staff knew that there was a limit with Alex Smith, you know, was getting to the playoffs,

not necessarily winning once you got there with him. I got a question for you. Yeah. Whether it's Haskins or whether it's Keenham as a starter, this Redskins offense is going to be the same, right? I don't, I mean. In other words, it's going to be a lot of running the ball. It's going to be a lot of what we saw last year.

Yeah, part of me thinks, quite honestly, of the three, and I don't know if he'll be ready. And you know I'm not a big Colt McCoy as a starting quarterback fan. But I thought when Colt McCoy came in for them last year, and even the Thanksgiving Day game, that their offense looked totally different than it did with Alex Smith. It was more effective, more explosive. They had a better chance. I know he had some key turnovers, but that's not why they lost to Dallas. They lost to Dallas because they couldn't stop the Cowboys.

They couldn't tackle Amari Cooper. There were things in that game they couldn't do. But my question is, with this particular offense and the lack of proven weapons, but with potentially the ability to run the ball, you know, a healthy Colt McCoy might give him the best chance and might look different than Keenham or Haskins. That's my answer to you. But I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think it will either.

I'm just saying Colt McCoy's ability to improvise knowing the offense stone cold, which he does. I actually think that as we sit here in mid-June, I would tell you if Colt McCoy's healthy, he probably would give them the best chance for the offense to look and resemble something professional. Well, if the Redskins doctors don't cut off his leg by then, maybe he will be ready. Yeah, well, I mean, we don't know what happened there. We don't know what happened there. See, that's why Kevin has migraines. Colt wanted to be, well, Colt wanted to be available too in the event that they got to the postseason.

That's one of those stories. I don't know that we'll ever, I bet we know what the answer is right now. The answer is they said, you know what, Colt, we need to do this right now. And he said, well, what if we have a game against Philadelphia to go to the postseason? You're telling me I could be back by then in the playoffs. and they collectively, collectively, like apparently they did in Oakland with Kevin Durant last week, they made the decision not to do what they maybe should have done for the purposes of having cold available if they got to the postseason. That's what Bruce Allen is supposedly there for.

Yeah. To step in and say, this is not a good idea. Now, can you imagine Bruce Allen, you know, crying at the podium like Golden State's GM did last week over the Duran injury? All right. So one other quick Redskins story while we're on the Redskins, because I read this early this morning in the post. I think Les Carpenter wrote it. He had some quotes from Bill Callahan. This could have been from a presser that Bill Callahan did. But Callahan basically is saying that Eric Flowers is really the frontrunner to be the starting left guard and can't play tackle. We knew that they didn't. They didn't, sign Eric Flowers to play tackle. God forbid he has to play tackle. They're in big trouble. And they should literally, if they, if Trent Williams doesn't come back and they have to start Eric Flowers at left tackle, they should put a red shirt on Haskins for 2019. That's not going to happen. That is not going to happen. But Callahan swears. There are a bunch

of quotes in here. He certainly sounds bullish about Eric Flowers as he's starting left guard. And remember, the Redskins have that, you know, had that coming. into this season is a void, and we weren't sure about flowers, but he thinks he projects well as a left guard, which means if that's true, then right now you're just missing Trent Williams from an offensive line that, if healthy, could be decent, not top five. The Redskins Offensive Line, for those of you have said it's been a top five offensive line here in recent years, you're out of your mind. Obviously, it hasn't been unhealthy, but even totally healthy. It hasn't even been the best offensive line in the division.

Right. And, I mean, was it top 10? Yeah, right around number 10. We did this last year. I'm not going to do it right now. But it was not, it's not been with Trent Williams and Brandon Sheriff a top five offensive line. It's been a good offensive line when it's been healthy. Unfortunately, the last two years, it hasn't been.

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overall pick. Remember, that's part of the package they got from the Lakers. And one for Anthony Davis, and one player, league executives believe the Pelicans are monitoring. in a potential trade with the Washington Wizards for All-Star Bradley Beal. Sources say, Wizards interim president Tommy Shepard is running the Washington front office as of now. And the franchise has been adamant for months that it hopes to build around Beal. Now, this particular writer for The Athletic looked at what a deal bringing Beal to New Orleans might look like. And he's got Beal to New Orleans for Brandon Ingram. who just got dealt to New Orleans

and the Anthony Davis trade from the Lakers. The number four overall pick in the draft, Etouin Moore in Solomon Hill. Let me just tell you right now, that's not a trade I would do. I would want either Lanzo Ball or Drew Holiday as part of this deal. You know, Etouan Moore, I like him as a player.

Brandon Ingram, I like him as a player. I want the number four pick, and I either want Ball or Holiday and then give me Etouin more and Solomon Hill as part of the deal as well. I don't think I would do it for Ingram in the number four pick. I would do it for ball in the number four pick. And potentially even Drew Holiday

and the number four pick with a couple of other players mixed in there. But right now with where the organization is with its GM search, who's making the decisions? Is Tommy Shepard going to make decisions? The draft is Thursday night. They don't have anybody hired. He's going to run the draft. And he will probably wind up with the interim tag on him for a while.

He will probably be the guy. I mean, because Ted Leonzes has totally messed up this search. I mean, it's just remarkable what they've done. The latest is, you know, like within seconds after the Raptors won the NBA title, Thursday night. We had the report from Adrian Wojanowski that the Wizards were ready to offer Ujiri, the Raptors team president,

$10 million a year plus a stake in ownership to come run the Wizards. I mean, I don't think Fetty hit the court yet. No, it was immediate. That report. And it's from Adrian Wojianowski. Okay, so it's got a level of credibility there. The next day, like maybe,

15 hours later. You saw a Washington Post story that basically said, Candace Buckner. Yeah, no offer was made. Right. Monumental officials were adamant. No offer was made. See, that was damage control.

I found out through pretty reliable sources that Ted got slapped down pretty hard about potential tampering charges. Jerry, who's still got two years left on his contract, and they were backed off. They were backed off by the league. I don't know if the alarm was rang by Toronto officials or from the NBA front office itself. But they got their head handed to them the day after that report appeared.

And they had to do everything they can to back that off. And they may have foul that up now to the point where it's irreparable. It really doesn't matter what their offer would be at this point. I'm not sure they can ever hire Ujiri after what they've done. So first of all, you were the only place that I read this last week, about the, you know, Ted getting slapped down for potential tampering. Yes. The report came out right after they won the title.

I mean, within an hour. Yeah. Adrian Wojornowski's report was out there that the wizards were going to offer a blockbuster deal to bring Ujiri here to be the team president and give them $10 million a year plus equity in the ownership. in the franchise. And then the next day, it was Saturday, or maybe, I don't know, was it, it was Saturday. So it was a day and a half later, Candace Buckner in the post. It was Friday. Did it come out Friday? Yeah. Okay, so she comes out and basically shoots down Wojnarowski's story,

saying that the wizards are not pursuing Ujiri, and that kind of offer has not been made. So do you think that the wizards basically, you know, fed Candace Buckner a story to make it look like they weren't tampering. Like how does that in your experience work when that report comes out the night of the title and everybody's thinking, oh my God, Ejuri may leave to go to Washington for 10 million bucks and he's got two years left on his deal and now all of a sudden the Wizards are feeling pressure from the league. You can't offer him a deal.

He's under contract. This is tampering. Yeah. Or without getting permission, I would assume. Right. So what do you think happened? Well, again, I don't know Candace Buckner from Adam. And my issue, if there is any issue, is not said with her, not with her.

I mean, if team officials, if you're speaking to team officials privately, like Ted or high ups, and they're telling you, no, that's not true. We haven't offered, we have no intention of making an offer. We're not, we haven't made them an offer. That's not true. You have to write that. I mean, you don't have any trust. I understand.

Yeah. So, I mean, that's the story you got to go with, you know. And the Post is trying to react to a report, a national report that everyone got beat on, but it's very typical to get beat by Wojianowski on NBA stories. So, I mean, I think what happened is the Wizards, you know, basically try to basically cover their behinds in this. And, I mean, let's go back to this job has been open for almost three months, Kevin. I know. Before we get to that, though, I just want to make sure you do you think that you, do you think that you,

Jerry's, you know, issue after the game, punching, you know, getting into an altercation after the game, you don't think that that had anything to do with the Wizards potentially backing off. No. Okay. No, I don't think that had anything to do with the, but now that complicates things a little bit all the way around. Of course, that complicates things, but I don't think that gets in the way of what the woods. I don't see Ted letting something like that stop him. But Ted's been stopped. Do you think they're, I guess, for the lack of a better description,

their aggressiveness to the point where they may have been slapped down by the league now means that there's no chance of getting Ujiri, or is there still a chance if they go about it the right way? I don't know if there's no chance. I'm not going to say that. I'd be surprised if they get Ujiri after this. I think, you know, I wonder if they name Tommy Shepard, as the general manager, interim or full-time.

When they have that press conference, all the questions to Ted are going to be about who he didn't hire, not who he hired. It's going to be a pretty bad situation for him. Going back to the Denver guy Conley, who, you know, the wizard supposedly, according to reports pursued, did not nearly make him the offer that they supposedly were ready to make to Jerry. I mean, supposedly, they lowballed Conley on years.

Conley wanted supposedly five years, and the Wizards were only willing to give him four. I don't know what the truth is and all that. I did find out that that was probably never going to be a serious pursuit, because Connolly is very tight with Tommy Shepard. Tommy Shepard was his mentor, basically, in the NBA. And he'd be very reluctant to take a job that Tommy Shepard is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is is, is, is, is, is is is, up for as well. So that was never going to happen either. Meanwhile, we're going on 10 weeks at least since that job's been open. And like I point out in the column, the remarkable thing is Ted hired

a consultant to help them with all this. He got help. God, I can't stand. I can't stand when, when, you know, athletic departments and colleges with, you know, with athletic directors who are supposed to be the experts in hiring coaches, seek search firms. for their help. Yeah, this is my, look, the guy, Bob. By the way, pay a lot of money to those search firms. Like I've told you before, Bob 40, the guy they hired has a very good reputation. But my position is Ted Leonces has been a minority, has been an owner of the Wizards,

either minority or majority for almost 20 years now. I mean, he should know the league. And he, I mean, dealing with the front office that he had to deal with unless he is, An absolute idiot. He should have been walking around in his back pocket for the past couple years with a list of the five next hot shots in NBA front offices who might be good GMs. He should have that knowledge. He should have that information.

And he shouldn't need a consultant to tell him to do that. You know who was on hand yesterday for the workouts for Kobe White and Nasir Little, the Carolina players that were in? Who? Ted and Zach. Zach? Really? Maybe he's going to be... Well, I bring this up because, first of all, if he was targeting Ujiri all along, it may be why they didn't make an offer for Connolly to accept.

And maybe he thought, you know what, if Connolly accepts this offer, I'm fine with it. That may be. And so maybe he was targeting Ujiri all along. And if, but had the plan the fallback of, if it's not Ujuri, I'm not blown away by anybody else. We'll have Tommy be our general manager, and Zach and I will get involved a little bit more than we have. Maybe Zach can get involved. But that's not the way you feel the most important open job in sports. Well, I think he stepped beyond his understanding. I think that was, you know, that was Ted trying to sell. That was Ted trying to market the position. The thing is, I mean,

he's not a good salesman, not when it comes to the basketball team. I mean, he wasn't even able to get a sales pitch with Kevin Durant. He wasn't able to convince Al Horford to come play for Washington. And what turned out to be a historically game-changing personnel decision, because not only did the Wizards not get Horford. They had to face him in a conference semifinal. And, you know, he doesn't seem to be able to convince anybody to come take the job here in Washington. Just to be clear, Al Horford hasn't gotten the Celtics to the NBA.

finals. No, he hasn't. Okay. No, he hasn't. By the way, I mentioned the Ujiri incident. It was with a deputy sheriff, not with a fan. Right. I you know, when I the Ujiri report made a lot of sense to me in terms of

this is what they were waiting on because they hadn't hired anybody and Ted's going to start thinking big which is what I've always suggested. I don't think he thinks big enough. Now, you say that and it's like he paid Brooks a hell of a lot of money. Yeah. And he's paid you know, wall, the Supermax deal, but I just felt like they should on these free agents

and coach, you know, that there should be a consistent thinking big theme. This organization's always thought small. Oh, yeah. For the most part. It's been a mom and pop operation. Well, it certainly was with aid. Yeah, it was with aid. And listen, as an aside, here's what I've heard from some Caps fans.

$10 million a year. Where was this money when you were had, when you had a chance to, pay your Stanley Cup winning coach. Where was the money then when you cheaped out on keeping Barry Trots? And you're going to spend $10 million on a guy to run a basketball team, a team that's already been running to the ground. Look, I don't care how great Jerry is. This is a franchise with tremendous burdens around them right now.

I mean, in other words, it's going to take. it's going to be like turning the Queen Mary around in a Potomac River. No, let me, because I'll finish what I was going to say about when I read the, you know, the night of the title, and I think I talked about it here on Friday, that this is what Ted's been waiting for to make a big splash, a big hire, but I don't know why Ujiri would take this position unless this is, and I know this, His wife is from here, and they've looked at homes. They may have purchased a home here, but that doesn't mean that he can't continue to be

the Toronto GM and have a house here. Right. Like, why would he... This job right now is not very attractive. No. You've got a player who's on a Supermax deal who will not play next year more likely than not in John Wall. And when he does come back may never be the Supermax player that you had, even though some

people don't but my point is he was third team all NBA and he had a really good season and John Wall needs his knees and needs his legs right to be John Wall and you may never have that right remember he he he's had three knee surgeries already in addition to the ruptured Achilles tendon and everyone in the league knows the reputation of John Wall was not good last year he was considered an off-the-court problem right um the other thing too look you jerry struggled by trading DeRosen and company for Kauai Leonard. And it was a big risk. It was a risk totally worth taking, in my view.

I would have traded most of the team, most of the Wizards team for Kauai Leonard. But he pulled off that trade. That's why he is a championship team president slash GM. He wasn't before that. They could not get past the Eastern Conference finals with a pretty talented group and a great backcourt pairing,

like the Wizards had a great backcourt. pairing with DeRosen and with Kyle Lowry. But that trade, not necessarily his drafting, Seacom was a very good pick at number 25 or 26, wherever it was. He's got to be a great player. In 2016, he is a great player. But, you know, other in Van Vleet, you know, acquiring Van Vleet, but I've said this so many times when it comes to, you know, the NBA draft in particular, there's just a lot of, you

know, I understand you've got to be really good at evaluating the person, the player, and all of that, and that probably increases your chances of finding the guy that can lead you to a title. But there are a lot of teams that missed on Kauai Leonard. There are a lot of teams that missed on Janus. You know, we've had this over the years where sometimes the elite players are not the number one, number two, number three picks overall where it's so obvious. After that, it's a roll of the dice. they didn't draft Kauai Leonard.

San Antonio did. He pulled off a trade for Kauai Leonard, which, by the way, other teams had the ability potentially to make the Wizards would have had the ability to trade with San Antonio for Kaui Leonard if they were thinking big. You don't think San Antonio would have thought about Beal and or Wall or some combination of Beal and something and other pieces, maybe Otto Porter, I don't know,

because Beal and DeRosen, you know, it's six and one half dozen the other for the most part. So, you know, one of the things that by hiring Ujiri, a guy that was allowed to think big and make and roll the dice, Ted's not been a dice roller as an owner. He'd have to. Ace Rothstein? I mean, that's about the only thing he seems to be excited about these days. Oh, he likes Team Liquid, too. I don't know, Team Liquid.

That's his e-sports team. Oh, right, the e-sports team. Yeah. Meanwhile, their draft is Thursday night. But just to finish up on Ujiri, maybe they can't even go after him now, but I just didn't see Ujiri coming here anyway, more likely than not. Even if they had approached it the right way. I think I had the right idea a couple years ago.

What? You hire John Kalapari to be your president of basketball operations and coach. You hire him to be the guy. And why would he take that job? Well, because you make him an offer he can't refuse, just like anyone else. You know what? Seriously? that would have been better than the course they've taken.

Yeah, it would have been bold. It would have been bold. Yeah. Would have been bold. And, you know, Calipari is the kind of guy that would attract potentially free agents, certainly be able to pitch them and sell them, probably better than Ted can sell them. And, you know, again, in the NBA, do you have to have the best coach? No, you have to have the best players.

Yeah. You've got to have the best players. By the way, on the draft. And I'll have much more on this on, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, save most of it for you on Thursday to give you sort of the list of players that I like at nine and the players that I don't like. I do not like Nassir Little at nine. And he may be there. They had both of the Carolina kids in there yesterday. I would definitely think about Kobe White. I don't think he'll be there, though, Aaron, right? Isn't White being projected, you know,

at a much before nine now? Yeah, I was actually looking at the, because the Fandual sports book has lines on kind of over under, so let me see if I can pull that up real quick. But yeah, it's higher than that, I believe. Here's why I'm not a fan of Nasir Little at this point. He's got a lot of potential. Don't get me wrong. You know, he's got, he's got length, he's got athleticism. He had, if you go back to the beginning of Carolina season, Roy Williams was frustrated with him. And Roy Williams does not get frustrated with a lot of players. He is a players coach. He is easy-going Roy. Chuck's Roy. And remember how he snapped back at reporters as to why Little wasn't playing a lot of minutes early in the year, Aaron, and I'm paraphrasing here, but he essentially said, don't tell me when

to play my players, especially if they're not ready to play. And Little never really, he got it going at times. There were some good games. He had, you know, a couple of good games he had in the tournament. But, you know, I think in the game where they got run out of the building by Auburn, he was horrible in that particular game. I'm not a Nassir little fan. I know there's a lot of potential and he's young. What is he? He's 18 years old, probably.

And remember, this time last year, he was projected to be a top two or three pick in this particular draft. And he didn't get enough run on a good team, but one of the top recruits in the country last year got a lot less run than some of the other top recruits. I'm not a big Nassir little fan. man. Maybe Zach loves him. Maybe Ted loves them and they'll take them. I wouldn't take them.

So who, look, I've been in your corner on this ever since you told the Wizards to draft Leonard. I mean, I've been in, I'd say, I'm on the Kevin Sheehan bandwagon. Don't forget. I also suggested Steph Curry was going to be a really good pro. Yes, you did. You did. And so I've been on your bandwagon ever since. I also didn't think Hardin would be a good pro. I did say that. But But they didn't have a chance to draft Hardin. And Ernie. But they had a chance to trade for him. Ernie, no, Hardin went a pick or two before.

But Ernie, I'll never forget the conversation in that Steph Curry draft. I sat there with him. It was after they hired Flip Saunders. They hired Flip Saunders right before that draft. I'm pretty sure that was when I had a conversation with him. Because I actually had conversations with Ernie for a few years, like before drafts and after drafts. But he would never do it on the year. But I said...

This is how Ernie kept his job. I know. So one of the things I said to him, I go, Steph Curry is going to be a really good pro. He's got the quick release. He's got the handle. And he goes, I like Curry. He goes, I like Hardin.

And I say, ah, man, I don't like Hardin. If you watched Hardin at Arizona State, he stumbled and bumbled around as a ball handler and everything else. He was right about Hardin. Yeah. Totally right about Hardin. But in this particular draft, there are some guys that I really...

like. I'm going to save most of it for Thursday, but I can tell you this, and he will be there at nine, you know, according to most of these mock drafts. I love Kelden Johnson out of Kentucky. To me, he looks like a big-time NBA score, a big-time, you know, two-guard score. I like a lot of the Kentucky players. I like, I like Tyler Harrow. I like Harold a lot. He can really shoot it. He's being projected, I think, to go before, before Kelton Johnson. Kelton Johnson, to me, is really good. I like Brandon Clark from Gonzaga a lot. I think he looks like a big-time pro. You know, Gonzaga is going to have two guys probably taken in the top 15, top 20 this year. I'm giving you guys that are going to be more likely than not based

on the mocks right now, will be there at nine. I don't know anything about the French guy that a lot of the people have the wizards taking. Siku Dumboa, I guess it's pronounced. He plays for Limoges over in France, and a lot of people like him. I haven't looked long and hard enough at him. Not a big Jackson Hayes guy from Texas, but, and I'm not a big Cam Reddish guy either, who could be there, right, Aaron? Could be there at nine. Yeah. I do, I am very intrigued with Darius Garland. Like if the Wizards did get the fourth pick overall, and Barrett and Morant and Zion are all gone, which I think we're expecting. I am intrigued by Darius Garland because he does look like, and he only had a chance to play

how many games at Vandy? Two, three? Not many, yeah. Before he got hurt. But he looks like one of those guys that could average 20 and, you know, seven or eight, nine assists. Garland's not going to be there, though, probably, right? No, I'm saying if they were to trade Biel and have number four overall. Gotcha.

which obviously they would be doing here shortly. Oh, I'm not a big DeAndre Hunter fan either. Not a big DeAndre. I am a Kobe White fan. I think he's going to be a good NBA point card. But I'll have Tommy on Thursday. I'll have more official picks and don't picks for the Wizards. But, you know, I'm sure Ted and Zach have it all figured out.

Yeah, I'm sure they do. Sure they got it all figured out. All right. More NBA before we circle back to the Red Skiske. because there was some news this morning that you just told me about, and we'll finish up the show with that. Didn't have a chance yesterday to talk about the Anthony Davis trade. Anthony Davis going to the Lakers for Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram,

Josh Hart, I'm a big Josh Hart fan, and multiple first-round picks, including the fourth pick overall in this upcoming draft. Look, the bottom line is that the Lakers just added Anthony Davis, which they were trying to do before the trade deadline. And LeBron's got a chance in L.A. with the Lakers to compete for a title again. And, you know, Aaron mentioned this before the show, and it's true, they also have still a huge, you know, slot, max slot available. That could be a place for Kyrie Irving. Or Kauai Leonard.

Although I think Kauai will end up with the Clippers. And I think the clippers with Kauai Leonard in their roster could be a contender as well. But with Golden State down two of their three best players for 2019 or most of it, it's not crazy to think the way the sports books have thought, which is the Lakers are the favorite right now to win the title next year. With that trade, they became the favorite, right, Aaron? They became three to one. Three to one favorite to win the title. By the way, I hate this. There's just something about LeBron that drives me nuts.

and the fact that he was able to get this done, get his coach out, get the coach. Now, they didn't hire the coach he wanted in Ty Lou yet, or they didn't hire Ty Lou. I think that was the only thing missing from this offseason, but he gets Anthony Davis on a team with still Kyle Kuzma. All right, that's a really good team before they even add the next star. Go ahead, Kyrie, go to the Lakers.

I mean, have at it, you know, and tag a little. along with LeBron, even though Kyrie was great in that series when they beat the Warriors for the title. It is a deal in which the Pelicans did very well. It, good for them that they didn't deal them before the trade deadline and their patience paid off in a major way. This is a big time win for, in my view, the Pelicans as well, who were going to lose Anthony Davis eventually. And now they get a boatload for Anthony Davis. LeBron wins for getting Anthony Davis and, by the way, keeping Kuzma. And, you know, who knows what the balls will do in New Orleans.

Yeah, I know. You know, there was part of me that wanted to see Zion, that wanted to see Anthony Davis stay and see him play with Zion Williams. I would have liked to have seen that. And he would have gotten more money if he stayed in New Orleans. That's the phenomenon that's going on in the NBA that they didn't really expect. They built in this in the collective bargaining agreement, this ability for teams to pay their own players to keep them from leaving,

and it's not having any impact. I mean, players are walking away from $40, $50, $60 million to go play with another team. It's the part of the league that I hate. I just don't, I can't stand the stars, you know, figuring out the places they want to play and going there together. It's certainly, you know, doable in the system they have. What's going to be interesting is to see what New Orleans, let's say they don't trade for Beal. They don't trade the number four pick. I don't think they, I don't think Beal's going anywhere, by the way.

Do they take Jared Culver? Do they take a guy like Darius Garland, even though they just traded for a point guard, you know, in Lanzo Ball? But, you know, that team, New Orleans, with Ball and Holiday and Z, Zion and Randall, you know, they're not a contender, but it could be a few years down the road, a really good basketball team. It's watchable. It's watchable down the road. You know this about the NBA.

Young, super young teams don't win. They don't. Milwaukee's an example of that this year with one of the brightest young stars in the game. You've got to earn it. You've got to learn how to do it. And veteran players and veteran teams typically win titles. but New Orleans, three, four years from now, could be a really good team as well. I think they did very well in the deal, and good for them and Griffin that they waited and they were patient and they were able to pull in an enormous hall of picks and players.

Yeah, I'm happy for them. Like I told you, when I was in New Orleans in January, you wouldn't even know there was an NBA team in town. They are invisible in that city. Now, I'm thinking Zion Williamson's going to, at least this year, we'll have a big impact. on that. You know, remember when Durant got hurt in game five and the headline in the Daily News was Knicks lose game five?

Well, I don't know if there was a headline the other day when Anthony Davis ended up going to L.A. in this trade, but that's another big blow to the Knicks. Because now he's not headed there. Durant's not headed there. And now Kyrie may be headed to the Lakers. So the Knicks

will end up with basically R.J. Barrett and not a hell of a lot more. Yeah. you know, out of this offseason, unless they end up signing somebody like Campbell Walker or somebody like that. But, you know, this is one of those deals where LeBron got what he wanted, the Lakers become immediate contenders, but New Orleans did super well also. The NBA, you know, I don't love this as much as the games, Tommy. You know that about me. I love the NBA finals. Now all the draft and the free agency stuff, you know, some of it bores me, especially the, you know, the way these players team up to go places. I am interested to see what Kauai does, though.

I hope he stays in Toronto. If he ends up with the Clippers, if he ends up in Los Angeles with the Clippers, that is going to be a pretty good team. That's a team that without him took two games from Golden State in the first round. Yeah, yeah. You know, and they've got some guys that can play. That would be an interesting team to watch if Kauai ends up with the Lakers. Please don't go to the Lakers, Kauai. No. Go to a place where you, as Aaron said earlier, where you can, you know, essentially, what did you call him? I said he's the Mary Poppins of the NBA. He floats into saves a saves a city, brings them a championship and then floats on to the next one. I don't know if he

could win a title with the Clippers. He could win another one in Toronto next year. They could definitely, you know, get to the finals again next year with him. Look, he doesn't seem like a kind of guy who courts drama. And if you're playing on a LeBron team, you're signing a drama contract. Yes, you are. Quick reminder that if you're listening to us on iTunes, rate us and review us. That's helpful for us. Also subscribe.

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to listen to this one. Before we get to the story that you just told me during our brief break, which sort of broke here as we were on the air this morning, I just wanted to mention about the U.S. Open,

and Scott will be on with us on Thursday, and we'll talk a little bit more about it. But Scott told me, I don't know, it was two or three years ago that Gary Woodlands, like one of the most well-liked players on the tour and one of the best guys, you know, and the best dudes on tour. That was a popular win.

If you watch that and you saw the player reactions and read some of what the players thought about the win, they loved that Gary Woodland won that. Gary Woodland's been a big hitter, like long, you know, hitter of the golf ball for a long period of time. And he's won on tour before. But it was kind of cool to see that. It was funny because after Friday's round, I think there was. was this sense, even though it's the U.S. Open and he hasn't been in that spot, there was this

sense that he's good enough. Like, he's good enough to win this thing, and he did. I had Justin Rose in my golf pool, so I was sort of rooting for Justin Rose, and the way Sunday started with Kepka birding four of the first five holes, which was incredibly dramatic. I thought Kepka was going to end up winning this thing. But Woodland winning it was a popular win, and for him to do it by you know, draining an unnecessary birdie. He didn't need it. He could have three putted from there, but to hit that 30-footer on 18 really

ended it in dramatic fashion. You know, Tiger, you know, the Woods weekend, I thought he was so close Thursday and Friday to posting much better scores than he did. And then Sunday it looked like he was mailing it in early with four bogeys and then he came back to shoot two under on the day. I read stories that he quit. He quit on the course.

Early in the, and early in that round. It really did look like on Sunday, Tiger, and you rarely see this. Tiger just wanted to get the hell out of Dodge, and then all of a sudden, here he comes, and he goes six under the rest of the way to shoot two under in that final round on Sunday, which really was, yes, you're right. In watching that early on Sunday, because I was watching Tigers round, they basically still show every Tiger's shot. I kept thinking of myself, wow, he's really, he really doesn't care. Or maybe he's hurt. Steve Sands sent me a text. He said, Tiger's just off today. I said, is he hurt? He goes, no, he just doesn't look interested. And then after those four bogeys in the first six holes, he puts up six birdies in the last 12 holes to shoot two under 69 in the final round.

And nearly finish with a top 20 finish. But anyway, he says he's not going to play a lot leading up to the British Open, which is in Ireland this year at Port Rush. All right, read to everybody what you found on page six. Page six of the New York Post. God, I miss reading that. I used to read it all the time. You know, that should be our goal, Kevin, to wind up on page six. According to a report on page six, Dan Snyder, with his new $180 million, 93-meter,

3,000 ton megayot is in Cannes in France for some kind of international marketing and advertising convention. And he's there to basically, according to page 6, basically pitch potential sponsors for his new football stadium. He's in town to find a title sponsor for the team's new stadium. according to page 6. Monday night, Snyder hosted a dinner and party on board with guests including Julie Haddon, SVB Global Brand and Consumer Marketing for the NFL, and Andy Sribis, chief marketing officer of Outfront Media. According to one con source, told page 6,

Dan and his team are here to find a title sponsor for the new stadium for the Redskins. and they are taking meetings with brands and marketeers. However, another source said basically that a second source insisted that Snyder, they're just basically in con to mingle. And there's no particular courting of sponsors being involved. He's over there a lot. You know, over the last 10 years, he spent a lot of time in the south of France. and also on the Amalfi Coast in Italy.

So it's not unusual for him to be there. I think... There is something, Alex Marvez, who's from... Fox. Yeah, Fox. I heard some top Redskins football execs are on this trip as well. Okay. That's not unusual either.

He ends up bringing a lot of his friends in the organization. Coolie's gone on some of those trips. Let's use the word friends loosely. Well, I just... I've heard about some of these... yacht parking in the south of France. When people are on your payroll, they're not friends. Well, anyway, what's not here in this story at all is where the hell's the new stadium going

to go? Yeah. Like, do you, can you, of course you can start pitching, you know, in trying to find the sponsor for your new stadium by saying, here are, you know, here's what the new stadium's going to look like. This is where it most likely is going to be. We're taking early meetings to figure out interest level. because, you know, we've got an announcement coming in the next six months or something.

But there's nothing in here that suggests where the stadium will. And because, to be honest with you, I couldn't give a shit what it's called. I just want to know where it is and what it's going to look like. And we have a, we, we, we did. And how he gets a deal done. I don't care if it's on his, you know, what did you say? How long was it? 100, no, 90 meters or something like that.

So what is that? About 300, that's like a 300 footer, something like that. Yeah. Jesus. God, that's a big boat. Yeah. That's a big boat. Maybe that's where the new field's going to be right on the yacht.

Yeah, that's bigger than a football field. What is a, what's a meter equal? Like, just over three feet, right? Something like that. 90 meters is 98 yards. So 93 meters would be over. 98 times three, so it's about 300. Yeah.

The length of a football field, which I'm sure is not an accident. My God, that's a big boat. Listen, you and I have. disagree on what's going to happen with the stadium. I think he's going to wind up staying right where he is. I think it's going to end up in D.C. I don't see so. On the RFK site.

I don't see that happening. By the way, I mean, the D.C., the Redskins' top cheerleader for the stadium, Jack Evans, you know, just took another beating publicly with all kinds of questions about his ethics behavior on the Metro board. I don't know who's going to champion. a vote for a new stadium for the Redskins if it's not Jack Evans. Well, Bruce was down there the other day with Muriel Bowser, right, for some... Yeah, but I know that... That's where JP got the interview.

I know that the vote, if it happened a year ago, would have been seven to six. So, so... Just like the baseball stadium vote. Let's just say that you're right, okay, and they have to stay in Landover. Where are they going to play when they're building that new stadium? That's a good question. How much land do they own there? I don't know, but do you think they could just build it side by side?

Well, I mean, other state, they did that in Philly with the vet. I mean, they did that in Chicago with Kamisky Park. You're right. They did that at Yankee Stadium. And it's a state stadium. It certainly is a big-ass property out there. Yes, so, I mean, conceivably, they could do that as well. But that's interesting that Dan Snyder made paid.

I think he's made it before. Oh, I'm sure he has. How can we make page six? Wouldn't that be great? If we made page six, it wouldn't have anything to do with a 90-meter yacht. No. It wouldn't, although it would be great to be on one. Yes.

And be invited to one. All right, so breaking news, sort of. He's just over there looking for a sponsor. Yeah. I mean, I would think, given that they won a new stadium, you know, opened up by 2027 at the latest, right? That's when the lease, you know, it doesn't run out, but that's when they could get out of it or whatever it is. And I'm sure companies are walking the gangplank lining up to be a sponsor for the Redskins new stadium. That's a more interesting aspect to the story is just how marketable is a Redskins new stadium for advertisers.

You know what's interesting. For a lot of reasons. Yes, for a lot of reasons. It's interesting that the learners have still never sold the naming rights. to Nats Park. What do you even get for naming rights these days? Because I think I read something not that long ago, that basically the studies on stadium or arena naming rights

essentially proved out that it wasn't that worthwhile to put your name on something. My gut reaction, I never understood it. And because of that, the prices for it came down significantly over the years. That's probably the case. And that'd be great if it stayed Nats Park. And it wasn't named, you know, 7-Eleven Field or Shake Sack Stadium or something like that. What was the Raven Stadium? Was it PSI Net?

Was that what it was? That company was like basically a startup company, tech company in the Dulles Corridor, I think, an internet, you know, company. And they basically, I think, went out of business before. Spending that as much money as they did on the stadium really impacted their business in a negative way. I think. I could be wrong about that one. and be thinking about another one. But some of those early naming rights deals were huge deals for the teams.

But I don't think they really penciled out for the advertiser for the title sponsor. I don't, naming sponsor, I don't think they did. But I don't know. All right. What else did you do? I got nothing else. I got nothing else either. Back tomorrow.

We'll do some draft stuff. I'm going to try to get a couple of people on the show to talk draft. Tommy will be back Thursday. and I'll give you the players that I would love the Wizards to consider and the players that I don't want the Wizards to consider. And at that point, by the way, we may know for sure that they're picking at 9 because there's still a chance between now and Thursday

that they could trade Bradley Beale to New Orleans and get the fourth overall pick in the draft. They're not trading Bradley Beale. I would trade Bradley Beal for the right deal. Well, listen, if I was a new GM, which they don't have, I trade Bradley Beal. I think, but they're not trading them. It may come down to what Ted and Zach think.

They're not. Maybe what Zach thinks. Well, then they're not dealing them. It's not an attractive job right now. It just isn't. It's a start over, really. Listen, I think they should give the job to Steve Buckhants. Me too.

Absolutely. I'd give the job to Buck. Yeah. All right. Thank you, Tommy. Thank you, Aaron. Have a great day back tomorrow.