The Kevin Sheehan Show - Gambling...It's Not For Everyone

Episode Date: May 28, 2020

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You're listening to the Sports Fix. Sports Fix Thursday. Tommy's home. I'm here. Aaron's wherever he is, although he did text me before the show today. He has downloaded the new DC Lottery Sports Gambling app, I guess something I'll probably not do.

I'm glad they're making it available that way. But he said already something we talked about the other day seems to be part of it. They're juicing you big time. The juice is expensive. He said it's minus 118. Now, even you know this, Tommy, typically when you wager on a game, you don't want to pay more than 10% on a loss. If you bet $100 bucks, you want to pay $110 on a loss.

You make 100 on a win. It's gotten so competitive in recent years that you can find places that will offer discounted VIGs, discounted Vigorishes, where you can pay minus 107 or minus 108. And it all adds up. They're charging minus 118. So on a $100 bet, if you lose, you're paying $118. Now, I don't know if Aaron's saying that's on all games. But this was my guess the other day that.

this online, this legalization of sports betting, you know, state by state, and in this particular instance, D.C., is for people primarily, not all, but it's making gambling available to people who haven't figured out how to do it beforehand over all of these years when it's been illegal. And I'm telling you, if you didn't figure it out, you didn't have a desire to figure it out, and therefore you're probably new to this thing, and they are going to take advantage of some of these people. Now, there are more costs, you know, in legalization of sports betting, and so they're going to pass those costs onto the user, but I think there will be a lot of people that won't even know that it's expensive to do it this way.

I think you're right. I think they're going to make some money on that. look, you've got a whole generation of kids, millennials, and younger, who are going to want to do their Al Capone imitation, their walk on the wild side. You know, they like to smoke their cigars, and they like to gamble, you know, but it's basically just flirting, flirting with this lifestyle that they grew up watching on TV, and they think it's kind of cool. So they'll get a lot of bites, probably. from a lot of millennials and bars with their friends saying,

oh, let's quit, put a bet on this game we're watching here, you know, with the app. And so they'll make some money, but, you know, eventually, I mean, you know, the sports, legalized sports betting, I don't think is going to bring, for each jurisdiction, the amount of revenue that they expect. because you and I think both agree on this. People who wanted to bet have already been betting. A hundred percent right. In fact, I think a lot of the results will all will prove you correct, except in certain states,

you know, New Jersey, New York, where, you know, everybody gambles and everybody's gambling in every which way. But I think projected revenue from legalization of sports betting in most places, already hasn't reached the numbers they projected and won't reach the numbers they projected. And it's for a few reasons. One is the reason we've been talking about. Two, is that these will be smaller betters. They're going to be the guys that are betting five, 10, 10, 15, 20 bucks a game. And the big betters, you know, they don't want this. First of all, it's too costly. And I just pulled up the website. I found the website. It's game bet

DC. Dot DC Lottery.com. And I'm looking right now, they have, they have, you know, odds on MMA soccer and darts. Because those are the only games that are going on. Who knew that you could bet on darts? I didn't even know the sport existed outside of some rec room or basement in the house. We've got a dartboard downstairs next to our ping pong table.

But, you know, most of the bigger betters are going to be looking for much better fees, you know, VIGs on losses, and most importantly, they're going to want to bet on credit. And until, and this is something, you know, I've talked about with you over the last couple of years since this all became a reality, until these places can offer credit, legitimate credit. So you can essentially, let me try to make this easily digestible for most of When people like me bet, and I'm not even going to talk about the amounts, we have what's called a settle number, all right, with our guy. Like, we're not going to meet up and me pay you or you pay me until the number gets to this number either way. Call it $1,000, all right?

Until you're down $1,000 or up $1,000, we're just letting it ride. And by the way, he's offered essentially credit. for up to $1,000. So I can bet without giving him the money up front until I lose $1,000 and then I got to pay. He's taking some risk, but he knows his clientele. You know, he knows and he's got a client, you know, the people that I've dealt with over the years all know most of the people who are wagering through them. And if they don't know them, they've come with recommendations, you know.

It's just like basically going to a bank and getting a loan and you've got to give them some information about yourself and you've got to qualify for it. It is an unsecured line of credit for the bookmaker. But it's just a lot easier because you know, you're sitting there and it's a Saturday night, you know, college football and you're down a bunch of money and, you know, you want to be able to bet on credit. You want to be able to fire in for, you know, a bigger bet maybe on a game that you feel strongly about. That's not what these legal books are offering, not yet anyway. The first one that does is going to do much better.

But I'm looking at Aaron's right, like on the soccer games, I see a lot of, well, I see a lot of money-line stuff. But he said basically the average Vig is minus 118. That's expensive, man. That is way too expensive. Now, on the other hand, even if legalized sports betting is not the pot of gold, everyone thought it would be, it's still good to have legalized sports betting. Wouldn't you agree?

I mean, it was ridiculous not to have it all along. Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think the U.K. has proven that. I think the biggest thing, Tommy, just from, you know, the school of hard knocks is I just know so many people, and you refer to the younger generation, and I'm not going to say they all think they've got it all figured out. I mean, Jesus Christ, listening to Ted Leonis over the last couple of years and his son, Zach, talk about this. It's just been incredible to me. Athroststein, that's my nickname for Ted.

Yeah, I mean, it's been incredible to listen to either the disingenuousness or just the naivete. It's one or the other, you know, about how, you know, this is going to open it up to all the smart guys. Really? Let me just tell you something, Big Ted. if they were so smart and they weren't doing this already, then they're pretty dumb because it was available for them to do in a much lower cost environment too. But anyway, I just think that I know this.

I've seen a lot of carnage over the years. You know, I've got so many, I don't even know if I've ever shared half of the gambling stories from over the years with you. I know I've shared some of. of them. You know, I'll tell you one right now if I haven't told you the story of a really good friend of mine at Maryland. Have I told you this story about a guy that basically lost a bunch of money and I lost touch with him and then heard from him like 20 years later, 15 years later, something like

that? Yeah. All right, I'm not going to mention his name because he and I have reconnected in recent years. I don't think he listens to the podcast. I think he may listen to the podcast, but he's going to know this story, but I'm not going to mention him by name. But anyway, freshman year at the University of Maryland, you know, and you, you know, you got, you start making a lot of friends in your dorm primarily. And this particular guy from Boston became one of my best friends. And one of the real sort of bonding, you know, elements of our relationship was we were huge sports fans and we were into gambling. You know, both of us were. And, you know, there are two things about this particular guy that I'll tell you. First of all, he was a great dude and lots of fun.

He was a big Lakers fan living in Boston, you know, it was crazy. It was always funny to me. But, you know, he's also, I can remember how disgusted he would be about all the Redskins success, you know, he just, he's like thought it was ridiculous. But because he went to Maryland, he became a Maryland basketball fan and is still a huge Maryland basketball fan today. But two stories. One, he and I basically ended up on the same account together with our bookie at Maryland. So basically it was the Kevin and my buddy, and I'll give him a name right now that's not his name. I'll call him Jim, okay?

It was the Kevin Jim account. And, you know, basically, you know, we would, you know, we were on the same account together. And then eventually we were sort of on the same account, but I was vouching. for him because I knew the bookie before he did. So he was sort of on my account and then he got a separate account based on my recommendation, which by the way, Tommy, and I'm sure you can understand that, that essentially means I'm responsible for him, you know, with the bookmaker. If somehow he goes AWOL, I'm on the hook for whatever he owes. The first story is this. This is one of those I will never, ever forget, nor will he.

We are sophomores at Maryland, second, third year. It might have been juniors. Might have been my second sophomore year at Maryland. And we were into our book big time. And this is, you know, sophomores. We both, I remember we both had jobs, but we're both, you know, in school. And we're probably down, you know, a combined thousand dollars. which, by the way, in the 1980s, as a junior or a sophomore in college, that's a shitload of money.

And by the way, was money we didn't have. And so, you know, I think he's down like 600. I'm down like 400. And so we bet on it was in, it was after the NCAA tournament because we got obviously absolutely shalacked in the NCAA tournament. So it's in April, early April. and we bet on the bullets laying three and a half against the Mavericks on like a Saturday or a Sunday afternoon. And we bet it all. And they took the bet.

They're like, you guys are good for this? Yeah, yeah, we're good. We're fine. We'll settle on Monday. And so not only did we make that bet, we went to the game. We're like, we got to go to the game. So we get in the car and we drive out to the Capitol Center, which, you know, from college park is only 15, 20 minutes.

Right. And so, you know, basically I think we bought the cheapest tickets and walked in, and we were in the, like, lower portion of the upper deck. And then by the second half, we moved down to, like, mid-court because there were a couple of empty seats. And the bullets are winning most of the game by a comfortable margin. But Dallas with Mark Aguier makes a run late. They take the lead and then the bullets go up two and then Dallas misses a shot and Jeff Malone gets the rebound and gets fouled with a second to go in the game and he's going to the free throw line for two shots and they're up two and we're laying three and a half. So if he makes both of them, we win.

if he misses either one of them, we lose. And by the way, we wouldn't have been able to come up with the money. And who knows what would have happened? You know, the stories back then, you know, all these different bookmaking operations, especially at the East Coast schools, they all seem to tie back to either New York or Philadelphia, you know? Some sort of mob connection back to New York or Philadelphia. So they were always able to at least, you know, throw out the threat of

yeah well you know it won't be me that you'll have to deal with it'll be sal you know in in uh in in samden um so anyway jeff malone goes to the free throw line and i'm telling you i swear to god this is where gambling is not healthy boys and girls it's not healthy no matter what the result is it takes certainly days if not months or years off your life Jeff Malone was a really good free throw shooter, if you remember. He's a really good shooter. He makes the first, makes the second. We are, we're screaming at the top of our lungs.

We're hugging each other. The ball gets thrown in bounds to Mark Aguire at half court, and he just throws up a shot at the horn. And we're looking at this thing, and it's tracking. And it hits the front rim, bounces high up into the air, hits the back rim,

and it falls off. No good. And we won the bet. Tommy, I swear to God, the two of us sat down in our seats and didn't move for like 30 minutes. I mean, it took all the energy out of us. So that was the fun story.

And if you think that's even fun, the bad story was, you know, six months later, it's football season, and we're down a bunch of money. And at this point, my buddy Jim goes AWOL, literally AWOL. And I swear to you, I think I thought I've told you this story before. He was gone. He was done. he left school he moved back to Boston I remember calling

you know his house and I knew his aunt who lived down in this area I called her and she said he's just he's not doing great but you know thanks for your interest and the whole thing and I was like Were you holding the bag?

Of course I was of course I was and it was you know it was more money than I had But the point is, you know, it's funny because I remember being concerned about him. You know, he was a friend. We were really good friends. And, you know, I was calling and I remember calling and leaving a message, you know, with somebody

and his family saying, tell him not to even worry about the money. You know, we're friends. We'll figure it out. He needs to get back to school. Anyway, you know, I came up. I ended up basically being on a payment plan with the book to pay him off. And I didn't hear from him again until it was probably like 10 to 15 years later, probably 10 years later. I get a call.

This is, I'm not, was I married yet? I don't think I was married yet. So it was definitely maybe right around 10 years afterwards. I get a call and it was him. It was Jim. And he's like, Kevin, you know, he's got this, he's got a big Boston accent. And I said, oh my God. And we ended up, you know, we ended up talking for 20 minutes or whatever. And, you know, he apologized and, you know, and I said, you know, whatever. But you know what didn't happen, Tommy? He didn't, he didn't say, how much do I owe you? I'll write you a check. He didn't.

And what's really interesting, and if he's listening to this, I mean, I don't give a shit anymore. I couldn't care less. I'm glad that he's healthy because, you know, another 10 years plus went off and before I heard from him again. And in the last year or two, like we text back and forth every once in a while, like during Maryland games or, you know, during a, you know, a sporting event. And I think he's doing well, and I think he's married, he's got a family and the whole thing. But I guess the purpose of that story is there's going to be, there's going to be a lot of carnage. There are going to be a lot of people that have no idea that this is a real addiction, you know, and you have to pay when you lose.

Like, you know, this isn't fun in games when you lose. You got to pay and there's a lot of angst and there's a lot of, you know, a lot of physical and emotional stress that comes with gambling. I learned a long time ago, a long time ago. Do not wager more than what you can afford. And I'm a totally different person gambling-wise than I was, you know, before I started to have kids in particular. Once I started to have kids, you know, it totally changed. became responsible. But there will be a lot of people that will not, you know, it will become addicted. You know, they'll lose and they'll be like, that's all right. The next one's a winner.

And I can put together a three-team parlay on Monday night football and get it all back. And then they'll lose that. And then, you know, that's the part. And by the way, that's the part that when I hear people that are completely oblivious and are clearly people who haven't, bet personally or gotten caught up into that personally. When they talk about legalization of sports betting being a great thing and an opportunity that I just, you know, I roll my eyes. I'm like, yeah, opportunity for whom? For the people taking your wagers?

Yes, it's an opportunity for them. Because you're going to lose. Listen, politicians love gambling. because you give them your money as opposed to taxes where they have to take your money from you. Right. So they're in love ever since the first lottery that started, I think, in the 70s, they've been in love with this notion of, you know, you handing over your money voluntarily. It makes their lives a lot easier.

That said, I mean, I'm of the philosophy that, The majority of the people who get pleasure out of something like this and can handle it should not be denied their access to it because of the small minority of people who can't handle it, whether it's marijuana, whether it's gambling, no matter what it is. I agree with you. I agree with you. I'm, you know, this is for adults. You know, this is for adults. You know, this is for adults without addictive personalities. you know, those with addictive personalities are at risk with something like this because it's much more accessible. It's a lot easier. You know, you don't have to go to Vegas. You don't have to go to Atlantic City.

You don't have to go to Maryland Live. You don't have to get in your car and physically drive somewhere and go to an ATM machine and take cash out. You know, you can put it on a credit card and then you can get another credit card, you know. And the whole credit thing is really, you know, know, where you start to create problems. And to your point, this is a tax. I mean, the house is not going to lose. It never does. You know, it never does. And I'm looking at the week one point spreads here on Game Bet, D.C. And yeah, Aaron's right. Like, I mean, it's essentially minus 118 either side. I mean, you're going to pay, you're going to pay $11.80 on

every $10 bet, and that's going to be probably the average size bet. I'd like to actually see that data on legalized sports betting. I bet the average bet size is so much lower than they thought it would be, and it's because they're not going to attract people that are already betting, is my guess. And certainly they're not going to do it with these kinds of Vigs. There's no chance that anybody's paying, like I'm seeing minus 135s on a straight bet, you know, here. That's ridiculous. That's unfair. And here's the other thing about, you know, moving forward with more legalized gambling is, you know, once, it's sort of like getting extra money in your income. You were living perfectly fine on the income you were making. And then suddenly, let's say you get like a part-time job or a part-time gig and you got extra money.

and you're used to that extra money, but the situation is that it's putting too much pressure on your life, but you can't stop because your lifestyle has already adjusted for the extra money. My point is, once they take this step forward, there's no turning back. Like, let's say if there was an epidemic of gambling addiction, they're not going to repeal gambling. No, no. Because they're going to have,

spent that money and count on that money. It's the same thing with speed cameras. I mean, speed cameras for the most part didn't exist 20 years ago, and now they are a revenue must. Could you imagine D.C. government without D.C. government without D.C. No chance. Yeah. So once they do, once they do this, once this force-fetting is legalized, that's it.

There's no going back to the old way. I mean, this is the way it's going to be. You know, I was curious, as you were talking about photo enforced, because every time that comes up, I'm always like, what does D.C. generate a year? Listen to this story, the first story that pops up. I-295, you know, D.C.'s, you know, basically major interstate around D.C., not the Beltway, 495, 2-95.

With a 50 mile an hour speed limit in most places, sometimes 45. A specific speed camera. This can't be true. It just can't be true. But apparently one speed camera alone in two and a half years generated $26 million in fines. That is unbelievable. It really is. Imagine having to say, you know, let's say they get a bunch of D.C. council members in there to say,

we're doing away with speed cameras. The district would go bankrupt. Yeah. They don't take that money and stick it away for a rainy day. They're counting on that money to operate their government. And I'll bet you I know the camera. I bet it's the camera coming into $2.95 from Maryland. I mean, because, you know, as soon as you cross that line, there's a camera right there,

and you've been driving 60, 65 miles an hour, you know, and all of a sudden it's 50, and you've already passed one camera. I'm looking at the 2018 numbers, but this is just total citations, total traffic tickets. Traffic-related tickets in 2018 in D.C. generated three, $324 million in revenue. But I don't see where it's broken out by photo enforced. Yeah, I mean, by the way, back to the gambling thing for just a moment. Like, I'm not sitting here telling you don't do it.

There's nothing. It's so much fun during football season, during the NCAA tournament, you know, to have some action. You know, and it makes, it enhances the conversation about sports and increases the interest for sports. You know, I think you and I have had this conversation before. I may have mentioned it yesterday on the podcast, but, you know, I laugh at sports asking for an integrity fee. You know, they're never going to get it. And it's almost like it speaks to sort of the naivete of sports to even ask for it. The integrity of these sports have been kept by Vegas.

Vegas has been the watchdog, you know, all along. They're the ones that have notified the leagues of suspicious activity. It's not been the other way around. And more importantly, gambling's increased the interest over the years exponentially of their games and of their leagues. And with legalized sports betting, it'll do it even more. I mean, you'll have more eyeballs on games, you know, which will generate more in ad dollars from networks. And, you know, there's no, they've got it backwards. They should be paying the states to legal.

sports betting. It's helping them so significantly. Anyway, by the way, the week one line for the Redskins Eagles, I don't think I'd seen this yet. Actually, I think I have. Six and a half right now. At Game Bet, D.C., you can bet the Redskins Eagles week one September 13th opener at FedEx Field. The Eagles are six and a half point favorites, minus 118. Again, that means if you lose, you're paying $118 on $100 bet. Now, do you think that there's any, not that there is a home field at FedEx Field, but generally there's always the three-point plus for home field,

but are they including that in these lines? Because there's not going to be any fans, probably. Well, you're saying that because there aren't going to be fans across the board, Not just because the Redskins fan base has been social distancing for the last few years anyway. No, I mean, across the board, no one's accepting any of these reasons. That's definitely not being factored into these lines right now. Okay. Yeah.

So that's a legitimate. That's not probably legitimate. I mean, they're probably giving the Redskins a three-point home field advantage in that line. I don't know if they're giving the Redskins a three-point home field advantage. In the opener, they may. It's funny, there was an article written on one. one of my favorite sites covers.com a month or so ago about the, about home field advantage, home court advantage, home ice advantage, et cetera.

But it was more about home field advantage specifically, I believe. And it just talked about, you know, it brought up the Redskins home crowd example. I mean, it was almost embarrassing to the Redskins. But, you know, how bookmakers have had to adjust the typical three-point home field advantage number. for those wondering what that is, basically in the NFL and in college football, there is an average of three points built into the point spread in the home team's favor. Okay, so if the Philadelphia Eagles and the Washington Redskins were considered to be even teams on a neutral field, move that game to Washington and the Redskins are a three-point favorite.

Move that game to Philadelphia, the Eagles are a three-point favorite. But the Redskins home field in this story essentially was part of the reason that a lot of handicappers and odds makers were looking at crowds like the crowd at FedEx Field in recent years differently and not assigning a three point number to the Redskins. Even though they've been assigning a three point number, they feel like they have to adjust that moving forward because let's be honest, the Redskins have not had a home field advantage in two years. you know, in the significant, in the majority of their home games over the last two seasons, it's either been a no advantage or a disadvantage for them to be at home. Yes. Absolutely. I mean, you know, it's been a visiting team advantage at FedEx Field.

I mean, I can't think of one home game last year where the visiting fans didn't outnumber to home fans, not one. Yeah. I can't even think back to the schedule. It is funny to look at these week one lines, though. And to think, you know, and hope, please, I hope these games are played. I hope they're played in these cities with fans. Like the opening game is Chiefs Texans Thursday night, September 10th.

The Chiefs, by the way, are a 10-and-a-half-point favorite in that game. Remember, that's the playoff game where they were down 24 to nothing. and they came back in one going away. But, you know, it's, it'll be, God, man, just looking at week one. I get it, I do get excited thinking about the NFL season as we approach summer. You know, not that I'm wanting the summer to fly by, but it's, I mean, right now we'd be in the midst of hockey, Stanley Cup finals, NBA, conference finals. and we'd be two weeks away from all of it ending, and then you're just looking forward to football

with regular season baseball as part of the rhythm of the summer. But I don't know. We'll see whether or not these games get played. By the way, that leads me to this, which I'll get to. I want to talk about Major League Baseball and the Max Scher comments about the deal. Right after I tell you about Hydrant, top performers in business and sports

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I'm very careful about it. But what's amazing is sometimes you'll see people, and I just don't mean elderly people, you'll see somebody hospitalized for dehydration. You know, and it's kind of stunning when you see that happen, and it happens more than I think most people realize. So, yeah, that's a big impound. I'm very diligent about hydrating. Are you?

How do you hydrate? What do you mean? I drink a lot of water. All right. I drink 40 ounces of water before I get out of the bathroom in the morning. Oh, my God. Well, that'll send you right back to the bathroom pretty quickly. So, I mean, you know, I take a couple of medicines early in the morning, and I drink a full cup of water,

eight-ounce glass of water with each medicine. So, you know, I got 40 ounces in me before I hit the ground running. The first thing I drink in the morning is coffee. The second thing I drink is water. Well, coffee, dehydration. I understand that. And then I will follow it up. I don't drink any coffee.

I don't drink anything. caffeine anymore, period. Zippo. Did you used to be a big caffeine consumer? Oh, a Coke. I mean, I woke up and I had it for years, Coke and then Diet Coke. It was the first thing I reached for, but I haven't had a soda in 17, 18 months. I don't drink soda anymore either. I mean, occasionally I'll have a soda. Like if we order pizza, like for whatever reason, it's hard to eat pizza without a soda. that's my thing maybe

but I've pretty much cut sodas out it'd be impossible for me right now to cut coffee out I never drank coffee I've never started drinking it I love coffee for starters but secondly I absolutely require that caffeine

early morning jumpstart but I do follow it up with a lot water during the day. And I'm going to get this hydrant mix as well to help as well. Yeah, exactly. All right. So yesterday, the Major League Baseball Players Association essentially said, you know, we're coming up with a counteroffer to the owner's offer, which was Monday, which essentially was different than what we read about what they wanted, which was this revenue split. They basically came back to the players and said, look, we're going to play 82, games and we are going to pay you basically, you know, on a tiered platform.

The highest paid players are going to have the highest paid cut, highest percentage cut. The lower paid players are going to take a lower percentage cut. So we're not going to hurt the lower paid players. And the higher paid players, if you're making $20 million, you know, you're going to get paid pro rata, but with the percentage cut, including. If you're making $20 million, you're still going to make basically $6 million this year on 82 games. And the players balked at that. What was interesting about that offer, by the way, just real quickly, before we get to the player's response,

is that that pretty much guaranteed the players the rest of the year. And, you know, there is a chance that this thing could restart and then end, you know, versus the revenue split, which was you're taking all the risk with us. too. That's not what the owners ended up proposing. Anyway, the players basically rejected that. They want more games and they want more money. Max Scher sent out a tweet yesterday, and I'm going to read it to you. He wrote, after discussing the latest developments with the rest of the players, there's no reason to engage with MLB any further on compensation reductions. We have previously negotiated a pay cut in the version of prorated salaries, and there's no

justification to accept a second pay cut based upon the current information the union has received. I'm glad to hear other players voicing the same viewpoint and believe MLB's economic strategy would completely change if all documentation were to become public information. Now, I think when he refers to all documentation, he's talking about maybe the first agreement and then maybe opening up their books. You know, that's what he's talking about. As a privately held business. Like, they're going to do that.

Well, it's been done. I mean, companies have opened up their books to unions and negotiations. I think that's really what he's getting at. Open up your books to us. Right. You know, they wouldn't stay private very long. But, I mean, that's not that absurd a notion. There have been, you know, companies and negotiations with unions that have opened up their books.

Yes, there are. I don't think Major League Baseball owners are going to completely open up their books. No, they're not going to. But I don't, you know, I was listening to Steve Phillips over the weekend on Mad Dog. Do you like him or not? No, I don't like him. He's a weasel. He's one step above Jim Bowden. Anyway. That's why they do what they do. That's why they're not working in baseball. Right.

Anyway, his contention was that on basically an individual team perform a basis, on a true revenue costs, net profit, you know, pre-tax number, that if they were to pay the players and not allow fans into the games, per the agreement they had with the players in early March, which was to pay the players pro-Rata for the rest of the year based on the number of games that they play, By the way, expecting fans, because that's a significant revenue source in baseball, where isn't necessarily in football.

For some teams in football, it is. I might want to point out. Yeah, but the significant majority, 80% plus of a team's revenue comes from their cut of the TV money. But in baseball, it's a lot less than that. And baseball, 30 to 40% of a team's revenue is it comes from gate. It comes from everything that goes into somebody attending a game. Anyway, Phillips was just saying it's his belief that 26 of the 30 teams, if they were to not allow fans in but pay the players pro rata the rest of the year based on their salaries,

they would lose big money, big money. and that it would actually incent most of those teams to not play a season. They'd be better off not playing a season because the losses could be potentially catastrophic. Well, again, consider the source. I mean, this is the guy who's always going to be on management side because I'm sure in the back of Steve Phillips mind, he's hoping somebody will hire him someday to work for a major league baseball team again. Right. Whose side are you on in this?

Well, I look at it. I think the players have a point. They had a deal. I mean, with baseball, they had reached a verbal agreement as to how they were going to do this. And all of a sudden, baseball says, well, we're not going to have any fans, so we can't go along with that. Well, they knew they weren't going to have any fans before. Who was operating under the illusion that people were going to be in the ballpark? In early March?

No, when they first started talking about this, it wasn't early March, was it? Yeah, this deal was cut in March, at some point early to mid-March. And apparently there is, you know, according to, you know, various stories that I've read and I'd Barry on the radio show this morning, there may be some language in there that essentially says we're going to negotiate a different deal in good faith if we can't, you know, if we don't have fans in games, in stadiums. Look, I think what's going to happen is I think the players are going to give something. I think the players will give on the amount of games.

You know, I think they put out 100 games that they want to play. Right. I think they'll concede back to maybe the 82 game schedule or much closer to that in return for going just the pro-rated salary structure. baseball, no baseball owner can afford not to have a season this year. For the long-term health of their franchise, they can't afford to do it, especially if the NHL is playing and the NBA is playing and the NFL is playing. You can't have baseball on the sidelines.

That's short-sighted to think, well, we're going to lose money this year, so we might as well not have a season. the damage that they would do to the game would be far greater by fighting a financial fight about this year as opposed to the only goal should be to get their product on the field. Now, you're right about the one thing about the players, and I'm convinced this is going to happen, not just for baseball, but for every single sport. They're not going to finish their season. None of them are.

I just think that they're going to start them. Well, don't say you're right about that. I didn't say that I agreed with that. I said that the players are benefited from the recent proposal because if the season did get shut down, they'd still get paid. Yes, yes. I mean, that's what I meant that you were right about. They would still be able to pocket that money. And I think all seasons are going to shut down at some point.

So I just think that I think this will get resolved. I see the player's viewpoint. in terms of this. You're not going to see the low, you know, this idea of trying to divide the union between the lower paid players and the higher paid players is not going to work because the lower paid players are smart enough to know or are told by the union that their salary is benefited by the higher paid players. The more higher up the food chain that those guys make, it goes all the way down the line.

So that 25th guy, that 25th roster guy, his salary gets elevated every year based on the highest paid players in the league. So that's not going to work if that's what the owners are trying to do to divide the union. I think this will get resolved because everyone's best interest, no matter how many pennies or dollars they may lose to get baseball back on the field. You know, that actually leads to something that I didn't intend to talk about. But I agree with you in a normal situation, obviously the last one damaged baseball considerably. I think if they don't play, there's going to be a lot of resentment. And I think if they don't play because the players won't take, you know, in the fans' mind, the same kind of pay cut that they're taking, you know.

and by the way, they still have jobs. I think the players are going to be the bad guys regardless if this thing didn't move forward. But they always are. Not necessarily. Usually they are. Oh, yes, they are. Not always. Having covered, have recovered a couple of labor, a union battle in baseball, the players are always the bad guys.

I'll defer to you on that. That's fine. I wonder just how damaging it would be. And just hear me out. let's say they didn't come to an agreement, and the season got completely canceled. And let's say the NHL started to play, and they started to play games, but then they got shut down because too many players and teams were getting shut down by positive tests. And the same thing happened in the NBA, and they didn't finish.

And the same thing happened in the NFL. I don't think people would even remember the baseball thing. No, no, then it wouldn't. Then we're talking about a whole different world. Yeah. But if all those fleets manage to continue to play and manage to squeeze out some kind of a season, or some of them even, while baseball is dormant, that's the difference in the damage to baseball this year, is the contrast to their competitors for sponsorship and for fan support.

I think that's right. But I think that what we're living through right now, there's people's people's, priorities are so much different. You know, I was reading something the other day over the weekend, and I forget where I was reading it. It was online and it popped up and I read this story. I think it might have been from Forbes about how there is concern that the last two and a half to three months is something that people have gotten used to

and is going to be a difficult habit to break. And there's huge risk in at some point, the all clear signal, if that's even a reality, and people getting back to life the way it was before. You know, there is, you know, I mean, it's a different lifestyle. I mean, I've never met so many of my neighbors. Like, I mean, only a snowstorm has brought a neighborhood together like this has with most neighborhoods. You know, people are used to being at home now. There are a lot of people that like it better. Teleworking is going to become significantly more prevalent. It was heading in that direction anyway. There will be significant acceleration towards that end.

Because why? Because it's costly to send people traveling. It's costly to lease and rent space, you know, for offices. And, you know, that's really not what I was talking about specifically, but, you know, people, I think there's the risk in all of what's happened here that people have found out that they don't miss sports as much as they thought they would. That may be, but based on the pictures from the boardwalk at Ocean City this weekend, and based on the beach photos that came from Florida, and no, it didn't anger me. I mean, they're not going to kill me, you know. It's not going to affect me.

There'll be enough bozos out there that will willingly just line up and go to the games and not worry about the consequences. There'll be some damage, but, I mean, generally, you have far more faith in these bozos out there than I do. Yeah, I definitely do. You know, still, I've seen the pictures, too. I just think it's really hard, and I think everybody has, you know, perspective is what life's about, and everybody's got a different perspective on this thing, and people, you know, I understand. these large gatherings, these immediate large gatherings,

whatever that lake was in Missouri, Lake of the Ozarks or whatever in different beaches. But, you know, again, most of these people are not, you know, the odds of them getting seriously ill are so remote. So remote, based on the data we have now. And based on the average age of what appeared to be the people in these crowds. No, you're right. But the people, well, again, you can't look at,

inside those people and don't know what they're, how susceptible they are. Well, the people with an underlying disease, no matter what age, if they go into a large gathering, they deserve what they get, you know, that they need, you know. How many diabetics do you think were in that crap? I don't know. I have no idea. Probably a lot. I do know that the president didn't even know what insulin was the other day.

Good God. Did you hear that one? Yeah, I know. I don't get me started about that guy. I mean, but seriously, how can you not know what insulin is? Like, again, this doesn't have to be a political conversation, and it won't be. It's just, it's funny. Like, you know, he's a grown man.

He doesn't know what insulin is. He's a grown man. He does not know the difference between is testing positive or testing negative. Which one is the good one? He can't figure that out. That's a Michael. That's a Michael. Yes. It was. What episode was that?

That was when Kevin was waiting for his diagnosis. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. And that was when Mike, was that Michael's birthday? Yeah, that was Michael's birthday, and he wasn't getting enough. He wasn't getting enough attention. Michael Scott is the role model, really. Think about that whole episode. I know.

That's him. Oh, God. You know what? I'm just going to say it. The greatest sitcom character of all time is Michael Scott, Steve Carrell. Who's better than him? For sitcoms? Archie Bunker.

Ted Baxter. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. That is a really good one. Yeah. I mean, he was brilliant. Yeah. They did one of those, you know, 64 teams.

all sitcom or all yeah I think it was sitcom and Michael Scott was a one seed I don't know if we ever saw that play out I forget where it ended up you know what we should look at that real quickly hold on sitcom bracket oh god there's so many of them yeah I mean Barney Fife you got to consider Barney Fife

and Andy Griffith yeah definitely You're right about that. I mean, Don Nott's was a brilliant actor. Now, in Ted Baxter's case and in Barney Fife's case, these were not the lead characters in the show. They were supporting actors. That's true. You know, Michael Scott was the lead. I want to see how this thing played out because I remember we talked about it, or maybe it was Aaron and I talked about it.

Because during the early days of corona of COVID-19, which remember coincided with no March madness, everybody was doing like a bracket. And. Cheers, Cliff Clavin, the guy who played Cliff Clavon. Yeah, another supporting actor. Yeah. It's tough. You have to have Lucille Ball from I Love Lucy if he wanted a main actor.

to compete with Michael Scott. And I'm not a good guy. I love Lucy. And Archie, I wasn't either. And Archie Bunker. Yes. Right? Archie Bunker would obviously be.

Absolutely. You know, and Jerry Seinfeld would be a one seat. Although that, you know, when you think. Kramer, Kramer was. Yeah. The Kramer was the Michael Scott of that group. Yeah. Whatever.

I can't. There's so many brackets that popped up. If somebody wants to send me that bracket, Somebody had sent it to me originally. I'm just not going to sit here and look for it any longer. All right. So there was one other thing that I wanted to get to today with you, and that is I saw this last week,

and we haven't had a chance to get to it. But Magic Johnson, about a week ago, week and a half ago, tweeted out a picture, and it must have been on the 30-year anniversary of this shot. That's what it would have had to have been, because this was the 1980 NBA finals. The iconic Dr. Jay shot where he drives baseline behind one end of the backboard, you know, Dr. Jay with those long arms, those huge hands,

and he's palming the ball one hand, and he takes it up one side, comes back under the other side with the reverse layup as Kareem slid over to help, and that's why he couldn't dunk over Mark Landsberger, who was one of the Lakers. this was the NBA Finals, 1980. It's one of the greatest and more iconic shots in NBA history. Most of you know the shot. Most of you know what I'm talking about. 1980 NBA Finals.

Literally, it's one of those suspended in midair moments. Which Dr. Jay was the best at. Dr. Jay hung in the air longer than anybody. You know, Dr. Jay had the big hands, the long arms, and the really good leaping ability, but he didn't have a 48-inch vertical. You know, he didn't have a David Thompson vertical. What made him so dynamic as a dunker and a playmaker were his long arms, big hands,

and his ability to hang in the air longer than anybody else. And this shot is an iconic shot. And I saw that Magic Johnson had tweeted out, this is the greatest shot of all time. And it was a spectacular shot. Of course, that was also the series that Magic Johnson in game. Six in the spectrum with Kareem out went for 42 points and 15 rebounds and seven assists as a rookie moving from point guard to center, which is still maybe one of the greatest, if not the all-time great performances in NBA history, certainly NBA finals history. So anyway, I wanted to ask you, and I wrote down some as well, what for you is the greatest shot, greatest throw,

greatest run, greatest hit, greatest sports feet that pops into your mind right away that you've ever seen? You know, I was thinking of football runs about this. And there's so many from Walter Payton, from Jim Brown. It's usually a running back situation. I mean, you know, football plays. Yeah. But I'm going to say football run is, I'm going to go with Marshawn Lynch's run a couple of years. ago against the Packers when they beat Green Day.

It was against the Saints in a playoff game. Against the Saints in a playoff game. Yeah. That was the year that the Seahawks had a losing record and still made the playoff. And had the home field advantage. Yeah. Yeah. Marshawn Lynch's touchdown run, that has got to rank among the greatest I've ever seen.

Incredible run, not to mention the fact that it came in the fourth quarter of a playoff game with his team trailing by four or five points. It was truly one of the most incredible runs we've ever seen. But the run that I immediately think of when you said runs in the NFL is Bo Jackson's 90-yard touchdown run on Monday night football in the Kingdom against Seattle, where he ran right through the tunnel afterwards. And that was the, that's a combination. And as we're starting to think about this, I'm thinking about Earl Campbell too, because you and I both love Earl Campbell.

And some of that Monday night run against the dolphins, that iconic, you know, 75-yard touchdown run was incredible for a man his size. But I don't think anybody that I've ever watched play pro football has ever combined size, strength and speed like Bo Jackson in one body. He's the one. And that run is an all-timer because he basically breaks a tackle and then Bozworth's on the field and they're, you know, corners and safety's trying to chase him. And they have the angle on him and he still outruns him and then runs right, runs right into the tunnel underneath the kingdom. And you're like, that was Superman who just left the building. That's that's the run. That's the run.

for me, although that Earl Campbell run too. Good God, Campbell. I know. I don't think that that was the same run, but there's an Earl Campbell run where he just buries his head. Isaiah Robertson. And I just runs right over. Runs right over. And Isaiah Robertson was a pro bowl linebacker. By the way, the man, Tommy, that caught Sunny's last pass. He intercepted it and ran it back for a touchdown in a 1974 playoff game between the Redskins and the Rams and the Coliseum. I know exactly which, you know, that Campbell run the one you're referring to. Actually, I think it's shown even more than the touchdown against Miami. The touchdown against Miami was a great game and an iconic Monday night football game because the Oilers were really good and the dolphins were really good.

He was played in the Astrodome, and they had that Love You Blue thing going, you know, with Bum Phillips and Dan Pastorini and Earl Campbell. Those were some teams. But that was like the Bo Jackson run. And by the way, the Riggins run against the Cowboys in 79, where you just saw a big physical overpowering runner also outrun everybody. And that's all always incredibly dramatic when the big guy, you know, also has the track speed, which Bo Jackson had, which Rigo had, you know? I mean, that was the most underrated and the most deceptive thing about Rigo's game is how fast he was.

Absolutely. You know, this is, this comes under interceptions. But talk about a moment. And I don't think I've ever seen an interception run. And I know Ed Reed had some that were unbelievable. maybe I think including the longest in NFL history. But James Harrison's Super Bowl interception, where I think he ran like 99 yards. Yes.

It's the end of the half, right? It was the last play in a half. That may be, I think, the greatest interception return I've ever seen. And I don't basically, James Harrison, I'm not crazy about him as a human being, but as a player, I mean, just absolutely amazing, amazing player. I think that, so we've identified runs. You just identified an interception return. The biggest, like the first hit that came to mind for me was actually the Jadavian

Clowny hit against Michigan in the bowl game when he literally was in the backfield as the runner received the ball, and the helmet goes flying off, and he takes the ball away simultaneously. It's truly one of the greatest hits and plays in football history, which, by the way, he immediately became a household name after that. But back to basketball for a moment, and you're going to really crush me on this, but that's fine. Last year in the NBA playoffs,

when the shot that Damien Lillard made, made against Oklahoma City to close out O'KC in the first round, which was, you know, your example of they're just shooting it, which is fine, and this is true. There's no play run. The score is tied. Damien Lillard's pounded in the ball as the clock winds down. And then he doesn't make a move in the direction of the rim to take a shot. He's standing at the timeline. Okay, you're basically 10 to 12 feet behind the three-point line, and he steps back from 40 feet and knocks down this shot. And I was watching it live, and I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. There's nothing that defines bad shot, bad last shot more than that Lillard shot. If you look it up,

if anybody forgets it, it wasn't like this all-time memorable thing. It just was for me, and he made it and the place went nuts and the series was over and they completed, I don't know if it was a sweep or 4-1, something like that, but I just couldn't believe that the guy was going to pull up from just inside half-court, basically, and shoot the final shot. That was one that came to mind for me, and then obviously we saw many of the Jordan in the last dance. We saw his final shot over Russell.

We saw the shot over Elo when they beat the Cavaliers to win their first. playoff series. Like a lot of those are incredibly memorable and iconic. I'll give you one. Yeah. 1976 NBA finals, Game 5. Gare Hurd. Ferd. Gar Hurd with one second left. Yeah.

Catches the inbound pass and hits a 25-foot jumper right around the top of the key as the horn sound to force a third overtime. I mean, and it was a shot that had an arc that seemed. like it would last forever before it came down. And he was the more improbable shooter in a situation like that. That, to me, is one of the most memorable shots I've ever seen. I remember I was at a Bullets game when they were at the Cap Center. It might have been 93, 94.

I don't know what I was doing there. I was doing some kind of sidebar on somebody or something like that. and I'm sitting next to a guy, and I didn't recognize him at first. So as the game's going on, we introduced ourselves, and he introduces himself as Gar Hurd. He was there doing some scouting, and I almost jumped out of my scene. I said, you're the guy who made the shot. Yeah. He shot.

And the guy that eventually became the wizard's coach. I know. He became the Bull of the Wizards coach. So, you know, right when you said, 1976 NBA Finals, it's the Gar Hurd shot. It is, it is, for those of you listening, if you want to go watch and have, I don't know, give yourself 15, 20 minutes of just complete and utter amazement,

go to YouTube, Google 1976 NBA Finals Game 5. It's on YouTube. Brent Musburger's calling the game with Rick Barry. All right, Tommy. Rick Barry was part of the broadcast crew in the Boston Garden that night. It is one of the wildest games in basketball history. And the way that game, that forced the third overtime. That was the end of the second overtime.

And it was a wild scene to begin with that created the opportunity for Gar-Hard. to make that last shot. Because what happened was, is that Paul Westfall, I'm pretty sure I have this right, Paul Westfall, who played for the Sons, that was the team Gar-Hard played for. He had been traded to Phoenix from the Celtics. Right, was a former Celtic. John, I think Hablachach had made a shot to give the Celtics the lead with like a second left in the game. And Paul Westfall called a time out. Well, Phoenix did have any timeouts left. Back then, they would assess a technical foul to the team that called the time out, but you got to keep the time out and advance the ball. So it turned out to be

the only possible way that they really had a chance because there was a second left. They gave the Celtics the free throw, the technical foul free throw, which was one free throw. They made the free throw to go up two, but Phoenix got to draw up the play and advance the ball from underneath their own basket to half court, to throw in the last pass to Gar Hurd, who made the shot to force the third overtime. And by the way, in that game, Tommy, you may remember this. Richie Powers was one of the referees in the game. He was a famous NBA referee. No, he wasn't.

He wasn't. Well, he became famous after this. But Darrell Garrison and Earl Strong were to referee. Okay, tell me if I'm looking at it. Oh, so it wasn't Richie Powers? No. I'm pretty sure. Darryl Garrison and Earl Strong.

I'm pretty sure Richie Powers got punched by a fan in this game at the end of one of those regulation or overtime moments. I'm almost positive. I watched this thing within the last year. That's the name that pops up. I remember Daryl Garrison. You're saying the other referee was who? Earl Strom.

Maybe it was Earl Strom. Could have been Earl Strom that got punched. The Boston fans basically came out onto the floor, I think, after the Gar-Hard shot, thinking the game was over and storm the floor. And maybe it was Earl Strom. You might be right. I might have them mixed up, but I don't know why I thought of it. It was Richie Powers.

But a fan punched the referee right in front of Musburger in the face, in the head. And he went down. And meantime, the game isn't over because Gar-Hurt actually made the shot. Yeah. I do remember Boston won the game in the third overtime, you know. Yeah, 128, 126. 128, 126. And went on to win the series, I think, in six games.

They won game six in Phoenix. Yeah, they won this six games. But you're right. It's one of the, 76 and 77, or two at a back-to-back rate NBA finals of all time. Yes. 77 being the Portland versus the 76ers NBA finals, the Bill Walton NBA finals. Here's the Wikipedia page in the 1976 NBA Finals. By the way, the Musburger, Barry, and Mendi Rudolph, who was a former referee, were the broadcasters for CBS.

You know, it's so funny. You know, like Wikipedia will have the 1976 NBA finals, and they'll have a few things about the two teams, and then they break down each game. And game five is basically like eight paragraphs, where every other game's one. paragraph. But game five, here it is. Dick Van Arsdale, didn't he have a brother, Tommy?

Yeah, Tom Van Arsdale. Back in the day, we're slow white guards, we're the norm. Dick Van Arsdale made a short jumper that made it 109, 108, and then Havelacek, I may have had this wrong.

Whatever. There was the timeout by Westfall. Westfall called the timeout, which allowed them to advance the ball to mid-court. Yeah, no, Havlachek made the shot. They gave him the lead. And then Westfall, sorry we're doing this in this way. Westfall called the timeout.

And it was Richie Powers. It was Richie Powers. Really? During the ensuing pandemonium, a fan-attacked referee, Richie Powers and other fans turned over one of the scores tables. After clearing the court, the fan who attacked Powers was arrested, and the Celtics were forced back on the floor to put,

oh, what happened was, is they stormed the floor after Hablicek made the shot. But the game wasn't over, and then eventually it went to a third overtime. Yeah, in this game, the referees are... Now, Richie Powers may have been a third referee, in case they needed one. Referees for Game 5 were Richie Powers and Don Murphy. That's what it says here in Wikipedia. I guess you can't.

Yeah. Let's see if they've got, they only list, it's funny, they only list the referees for Game 5. They don't even have them for the rest of the series because the Game 5 write-up is so significant. Anyway, we'll end the conversation there. But trust, trust me, that is a good recommendation from your boy here. You got some time to burn, go to YouTube and Google 1976 NBA Finals Game 5 and watch basically from the end of regulation on.

It's one of the wildest sporting events of all time. And yes, that is an unbelievably memorable shot. The other things that I had were, I had, oh, I wrote down Marshon Lynch too. the the Gail Sayers punt return in that mud game against the 49ers is pretty iconic, isn't it? You know which play when he set the record for six touchdowns in one game? Absolutely. Yeah. And so anyway, we got something out of that conversation, I guess.

Real quickly before we roll. Scott Turner yesterday held his, the Redskins offensive coordinator, held his Zoom conference call with reporters, press conference thing, with reporters. And he had a lot to say about Dwayne Haskins. But I wanted to just mention this one thing in particular. And I'm not sitting here trying to really prop up Dwayne Haskins. I don't think he needs it necessarily. But he said something that, to me, sort of mirrors what Bill Callahan had said at the end of

last year. He was talking about Dwayne Haskins and grasping the offense. And Scott Turner said, you know, we've had a lot of dialogue together. And he said, you know, I'll give him a simple example and he'll say, and they'll answer it correctly. I'll give him a simple question and he answers it correctly. And then he says, quote, when you can have that dialogue and they can give you the correct answer, and are repeating the things that you talked about in earlier sessions, that's when you know it's really starting to click.

And I played that actually on the show this morning, and when I heard him say that, it's exactly what Bill Callahan said at the end of last year. When he said about Dwayne Haskins, he's not a mistake repeater. You teach him something, you tell him something, and he doesn't make the same mistake. twice. And that's sort of what Scott Turner said. Now, they're not on the field. They're doing,

you know, these meetings virtually and he's learning in offense, you know, virtually. But that is, when you hear coaches say that, the translation is he's really coachable. Like, I tell him something, or I point out the mistake that he made and he doesn't make it again. That's how a coach says the guy's really coachable. He listens, he digests, it resonates, and he does it right the second time. I just think that that's wrong. Go ahead. He clearly is benefiting, obviously, in that process from all the time he's spending with Antonio Brown. I mean, a guy who's mentoring him to be able to be coachable, you know? I think that is really helping him.

That was sort of a reach by you to try to get to where you wanted to go through Antonio Brown being a coach and a mentor. Oh, I don't think it was a reach. I think it was spot on. That was sort of a reach. I think it was spot on. It was a big reach, actually. Talk about a guy who, you know, learns from others. It's a perfect example.

Antonio Brown. What a mentor. Okay. Well, if you say so. If you say so. The Antonio Brown video, Stefan Diggs is down there. Gino Smith was a part of the workouts. Chad Ochosynco was part of the workouts down there.

So Antonio Brown's not playing for the Redskins, people. He's not playing for the Redskins. We can only hope. They need him desperately. Oh, I know. You would love it. You would love it. They need that guy, you know.

And I'll bet that Dwayne is lobbying behind the scene. Well, don't forget. I'm on that roster. Don't forget last year, you know, when AB put out one of the 17 Instagram apologies that he felt like he had to put out after he did something wrong, you know, Dwayne Haskins responded to it, AB to D.C. There you go. I'm on board, baby. I'll pay you $100 if Antonio Brown signs here for the 2020 season. It just would be completely opposite of what Ron Rivera's been telling you one of his priorities is,

which is to improve and fix and reshape the culture. Yes, it sure would, wouldn't it be? It would be. And again, I think I mentioned this either yesterday or earlier in the show, I can't remember now. But he's going to get suspended. You know, he hasn't been suspended yet because he's not an employee of any team. in the league. The first team that signs them, the first thing that's going to happen

is the league's going to slap them with an eight-game suspension for conduct unbecoming, for the personal conduct policy. Which, by the way, includes harassment charges in there. Forget about just the craziness of

everything from last year, which, by the way, Tommy, you know, I went through this list the other day on radio. I still get a kick out of going through everything that happened at training camp last year in in Oakland you know when he flew in on the balloon for training camp when then he gets he steps off the balloon and maybe within three hours after that he reveals the fact that he basically froze his feet off at a cryotherapy session that went wrong you know then you

know that the new helmet design he threatens to retire because he's not going to wear that helmet he's going to wear the helmet he's always worn and then he leaves training camp walks out of training camp one day, and I'll never forget his really, really super sharp agent drew up Rosenhouse saying, eh, that's not a big deal. Happens all the time. He basically defended that. And then remember he posted the letter, the fine letter from the team. He threatened Mike Mayock, the general manager. My favorite, though, of all of the bizarre behavior last summer from Antonio Brown, is when he put that video out of the secretly recorded conversations with Gruden.

Remember that? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And Chris Mortensen, I remember him reporting that John Gruden thought it was hysterically funny. So funny that a day later, after he put those conversations out, he had the Instagram, the famous Instagram where he said, release me, you know, because he was getting fined, and then the Raiders finally said enough is enough and they cut him. I mean, some of the most bizarre behavior by one NFL player of all time was last summer,

Antonio Brown in Oakland. Yeah, but you haven't heard anything from him since. I mean, he's been under control. Except for. Maybe Dwayne, Dwayne is a calming influence for him. except for cursing out his wife and any of the authorities that got near his house in Florida during that one incident a few months back. Oh, that was, I think, in December.

That was a year again last year. Yeah, I don't know. Whatever. Zero chance that the Redskins sign him. I do think there's an outside chance that one of those organizations that feel like they could handle him, the Patriots thought they could, they couldn't. You know, like a Seattle, who knows, might take a chance on a, him. And the reason you would is because the truth is he's great. He's really, really good.

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And he basically said, you know, what are we? Are we arena football on this fourth and 15 thing? So there's definitely going to be opposition to it. But I don't know, man. I think there's a chance that thing could pass. We'll see. I could live without it. I know you could. But I think it will pass. Right. All right. John Mara, he's no Dan Snyder, that's for sure. No, you're right about that, and that's totally fair. At the same time, what an all-time dick move back in 2012 with the salary cap penalty and pulling it on the Redskins the day before free agency began.

He knew it the whole time. All right, I'm done. Do you have anything else? That's it, boss. All right, go drink some water, hydrate. Hydrate. Harry Trots would say, hydrate. Have a good weekend. I'll talk to you on Tuesday.

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