The Kevin Sheehan Show - Gibbs & Garrett

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

Kevin and Thom with some Joe Gibbs discussion to start. The boys responded to something Joe Gibbs said to Kevin during his appearance on Kevin's radio show on The Team 980. Then it was more Myles Garrett talk with the guys reacting to Garrett's interest in being traded to Washington. With another Super Bowl win, will the Chiefs be the all-time greatest NFL dynasty? Kevin and Thom answered that question and then Thom finished up the show with his Super Bowl prediction. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. He is Kevin. It's always great to hear your voice. I really appreciate it. Hope you and everybody in the family are doing well. Thanks, Joe.

Hey, thanks, Kevin. I appreciate your knowledge on everything. I go back to the days. I do think there was someplace in there. I told Chris, who's here with PR. I said, at someplace in there, I remember Kevin ripping me. I think we had one incident. Ripping you? Never.

I don't think I ever ripped you. You're the face. You're the first face on Mount Rushmore in this town. I tell Chris knows that. What did I help you for? Do you remember? I don't know. Back in the history, I was telling Chris,

I think Kevin got after me once. Let me say this. I got treated fantastic. in that city. Everybody press and everything. I have no complaints whatsoever. I appreciate you and what you're doing. Thank you for the show today, too. I enjoyed it. I always, look, I'll talk to Chris about it. Maybe he's got the answer, but I don't think there's ever been a time that I've been critical of the all-time greatest coach in this town, Joe Gibbs. You're the best. Thanks. Take care here. We'll talk. We'll talk soon, hopefully.

Hey, call me. Cut me. We'll do it. We'll talk. We'll stay caught up. All right. Hey, I appreciate you having me on. Thank you. It's always great to have you on. It's my pleasure. Joe Gibbs. Tommy's here. I am here. That was Joe Gibbs with me earlier today on radio. We had a very nice conversation. Talked about a number of things.

And then at the very end, Tommy, you just heard it. I've always had a good relationship with Joe. By the way, you have too. And Joe, who I've not had on in a couple of years, and I've reached out to Joe, I probably reach out to Joe two to three times a year. And I think over the years, you know, whether it was you and I doing radio or with Chris or with Doc or whatever, I think we've probably had Joe on 10, 12 times over the years. but he has not come on with me in the last two and a half years.

And he just kind of said, you know, that when he was talking about Chris, Chris Eline is his PR guy. And he said that I ripped him at some point. And I'm going to find out, and I will reach out to Joe or reach out to Chris to find out specifically what he was talking about, I can't for the life of me think of a time. And people were calling in on radio and people have tweeted. me. I can't think of a time when I've ripped Joe Gibbs. I just can't. There are a couple of, you know, kind of gray area circumstances that have come up from callers and from emailers and

people on Twitter and, you know, even a suggestion that, you know what, he's got you confused with somebody else. But I can't think of any time that I ripped Coach Joe. He's He's royalty. I can't think of any circumstance where you would do that. I can't, look, I know I've heard you rip guys. And, you know, to me, rip is harsh, you know. I mean, I can't fathom under any circumstances, even with a gun to your head that you would rip Joe Gibbs.

Now, that's not the same as being critical of them. To me, ripping somebody is pretty harsh. and maybe, you know, maybe he just uses that word, you know, for anybody that criticizes. But I can't fathom you doing that. Here's the thing. And look, I'm going to find out what this is. And I actually have, of all of the things that people have followed up with me on, the thing that makes the most sense to me, and I know that this takes me off the hook,

but it's the thing that it makes most sense about, because it tells you. I've actually been confused. People have gotten me confused with Zabe. Zabe ripped Joe Gibbs a lot on the station, but that's so long ago. And so Joe came on with me many times after, but it's possible that maybe Zab said something in recent years. And Chris and or Joe or somebody, it wouldn't have been Joe.

Joe's not listening to the podcast or to the radio show. he's only getting this second or third hand. Somebody may have said, yeah, she enripped you badly. But Zabe remember, remember Zabe and Andy did the Gibbs show when he was coaching? He went on with them. And then he didn't want to do it. He did not, I could be misinterpreting that time frame.

I've just had people who are in the business that were working with us say that there's a possibility he's got you mixed up with Z. Abe. Now, Joe and I have had conversations before. You know, you and Joe have had conversations before. I had a conversation with Joe at an event 10, 12 years ago where we talked for a while and he enjoyed the conversation, which he, I think he always has, because I think he understands that I know a lot about the era in which he coached. Of course I do. I mean, I was, I'm a massive all-time fan, as we all are of Joe Gibbs. The only other thing I could think of, and I actually, you brought this up, but I thought about it too briefly, but it was too recent. You were a little bit

critical of the Wickersham, Don Vanatta, mentioned from the guy from Harris Splitzer who said, without Joe Gibbs, the deal would never have gone through. And you, you were a bit critical. Yes. What I said was, you know, that's all well and good, but it was always very uncomfortable to me that he still seemed so close to Snyder during the horrific, well, particularly during the horrific final years. Yeah. You know, that always, like when he would show up at a game while Snyder was, you know, basically, you know, being, you know, crucified. Oh, my God. my God. I think I just figured it out. Really? Yes. You were taught, when you just said and he would show up for a game, there is no doubt that towards the end of Snyder, I said, I said on the air, you know, I love him. We all do.

But to be honest with you, I don't need to see Coach Joe in Dan's box at a game. It wasn't critical of Joe. It was to help take Dan off the hook for the latest. Yeah, it was. And I did say that a couple times. That was my reference. That was my reference. Yeah.

It always bothered me. I did say I love Coach Joe. Seeing him at games over the years, hearing from him, having them on the show whenever we've had him on the show. It was always, you know, everybody's smiling. always. But I did say, and I remember being pretty demonstrative, you know, I don't need to see Joe at a game anymore because that's Dan's move. You weren't alone. That's Dan's move, and we don't need to see that anymore. But that was not ripping Joe. That was like, you know, but maybe he heard it and said, you think that's why

I'm coming to these games is to take Dan off the hook. No, I think that's why Dan was asking you to come to those games. And look, Joe even said it today because the conversation at one point turned to Dan in that era. And he said, you know, and he's never going to rip Dan Snyder. He will never, ever. He's too classy. He's too high road. You know, you'd have to inject him with truth serum to get the full truth.

but he said, you know, on the show today, he said, I can only go off of how Dan treated me during the, you know, years that I was coach when he was owner, and he gave me everything that I needed. And he's always said that. But maybe that's it, because that's been more recent that, you know, going back two or three years ago when, you know, I remember saying, Dan, don't, don't, don't do, don't bring him. We don't need to see him anymore at these guys. games, but it wasn't about Joe. It was about Dan using him as a prop. But, you know, Joe wasn't oblivious to what was going on around him either. Yeah. You know, he kind of, he, you know, it wasn't an innocent bystander in that sense. I mean, everybody knew what was going on there in terms of why Snyder wanted him at those games. Look, you know, I once wrote a column.

I covered Joe's last year in 92 when his first time around his coach and we had a good relationship and kept it up over the years and when he got inducted into the NASCAR Hall of Fame as a team owner meaning he was inducted in two different Hall of Fame for his leadership abilities

as a coach in the Pro Football Hall Fame and then as a team owner NASCAR I said, you know, this is it This is the greatest sports coach in American history right here. Right. You know, whether you agree with it or not, that's what a column I wrote. And he went out of his way to call me and thank me for that. Yeah.

And, you know, I didn't, so I wasn't expecting that. I didn't write it so he would do that. And, you know, that always meant a lot to me. Right. To hear from Gives like that. And I've always loved the man. Love them. Look, I mean, I just thought it was interesting the way the conversation ended.

And I've always loved him, obviously, and I've always loved having him on the show. And it had been a while. And so when he said that, it occurred to me, well, maybe he hasn't been coming on the show because I ripped him at some point. Because it, you know this. I mean, it's not that you get Joe Gibbs when you ask, you know, every single time, he's busy. You know, he's running, you know, a massive, you know, racing outfit. But I think it was probably a half dozen times over the last two and a half three years since the last time I had him on. And I started to think like, interesting.

I mean, I don't know, maybe he's just more, he's just too busy. But I had heard him on maybe another, you know, show or two during the same time frame. But it didn't occur to me until he said something that maybe that had something to do with. it. But at the same time, I'm probably completely overstating, Joe probably has me confused with somebody else. You know, he's got me confused with real Kevin's. You know, Kevin Costner, Kevin Spacey, or Kevin Bacon, or the real Kevin's. Like, I haven't to mean something. Important Kevin's. Yeah. The thing is, is I do think that he was. in his mind because we know Joe and it's not that we know Joe well but we've had Joe on enough

and we've run into Joe in various spots over the years it's been several years but um but yeah that was interesting I don't know I'll find out though I will reach out to him or I'll reach out to Chris and find out he's the best he's he's on you know he's the first face on the Mount Rushmore of DC Sports Legends if you include coaches or owners the first yes Yes, he is. To me, he's the first, well, I don't want to say this, because this opens up a whole can of worms now. What?

But to me, he would have been the first statue to have been built. Outside of the stadium? The stadium, yeah. Right. Instead of, what, are you open up a can of worms because it's Sean Taylor? Yes. Okay. I don't want to do that.

Everybody understands that, you know. Yeah. Sean is beloved the whole thing, but we've talked about this. There are jerseys that should have been retired before Sean Taylor's, and if you were going to build any sort of statue, and that wasn't much of a statue, it should have been Joe Gibbs. But let's save that for the new stadium, hopefully, in 2030. They should build a statue to Joe when they open up the new stadium.

In a place, by the way, that's just got better memories of Joe's teams, which would be if they land. in D.C. at the RFK site. All right, enough of that. If you want to listen to Joe with me earlier, go to the Team 980.com or download the Odyssey app. And it's in the second hour of the show. Joe came on with me at about 1140, 1145-ish somewhere around there. You can find it. I did ask him about the name. I asked him, you know, how he felt. And it's, I think it's clear that, you know, if it were up to Joe and Redskins was an option, I think probably Redskins it would be. But I think that would have been the case with the Harris group, too, if Redskins would have been an option.

All right. So a couple of things I wanted to. Oh, real quickly. Tommy Purify is back. Oh, my God. You're such a, I knew. Tommy sent me a video last night of him singing. doing karaoke.

And I'm like, of course he did. I knew you couldn't hold out. I knew the disappointment of a career. It's not that simple. Okay, go ahead. Tell me. It's not that simple. There were circumstances.

One thing, you know, I mean, I stepped down last year after the whole scandal involving the recording deal with, you know, with, yes. Elwatu C. Wexer and Sammy Panama. Yeah. Right. That went south when it turns out that he was a mob guy who was in the witness protection program. Right.

And he was trying to run a scam. Try to get you. And luckily, yeah. Yeah, try to write a con to give him money so he could bring in recording equipment. You know, I would have been scammed. But luckily it never got to that. What was it? $1,500 he wanted?

Yeah. I think it was $1,200. Yeah. Something like that. And, you know, I had heard, you know, he disappeared. He didn't show up when he was supposed to, and I heard the story that the feds came and got him because he had went, you know, rogue on them in the witness protection program. Right. And I never heard any more about it, but I got, you know, I got a little spooked, you know.

I mean, it was funny. It was very disappointing. I didn't start my karaoke career expecting to have a recording contract. And then this guy hits me with this. And I get my hopes up, you know? And then, so it was a little disappointing, and it was a little bit unnerving because I know, I know what the mob is like, having covered organized crime as a reporter. And this guy has friends.

And if he thought maybe I, like, ratted on him. or something like that or you know or or went to the police or the authorities about them you know which i didn't you know i i was worried so i i was kind of turned off on the whole karaoke thing and i swore i wasn't going to do it again anymore but two things happened one uh the the great sam moore passed away sam more the other half of sam and dave the great soul duo that did you know soul man, hold on, I'm coming. I thank you. A bunch of great hits for Stax Records. He passed away recently. And I felt like I wanted to pay tribute to him.

And I also had a conversation at Kenny D's right next door where I do to karaoke with a guy named Spider John. Spider John. Spider John, he's like a ship captain here in Destin. He runs a fishing boat at a Destin Harbor. But he's also like the unofficial mayor. You see him around in bars and stuff like that. He's a big guy. Spider-John.

Yeah. Yeah. Big Paul thin guy. Yeah. Everyone likes him and all that. He wanted you back. And he told me a Kenny D. One night recently, and he came over to me.

And he said, I didn't see a karaoke yet. And I told him, you know, I mean, I'm not going to do it anymore because what happened. And he gave me assurances. that nothing would happen to me, and there'd be no blowback on me if I went back on the stage again. He gave me his guarantee. He gave me his word. Well, what do you mean? What kind of blowback would there have been?

I don't know. I don't know. With the Bob, anything's possible, you know that. But the whole idea of Tommy, of, was it Tommy Panama? Sammy Panama trying to dupe, you know, you into giving them money. how many people even knew about that? They just knew you went missing from karaoke. Is that it?

And they wondered why? I'm not sure. I'm not sure what the implications could see. I let my mind race as all sorts of possibilities. How badly you were missed? Yeah, how badly your voice and your singing was missed and people were upset that you had retired. Yeah.

This is what Spider said. He said to me, he said, you know, I think people, want to see you back up there. Okay. On the stage, you know, you give people a lot of joy and happiness. So that's what drove me back to the stage, and I really enjoyed it. And I did, I covered a Sam and Dave song called I Thank You. Yes. In my return to the stage.

And, you know, no more visions of grandeur. I'm just going to do the karaoke for me and the people. Good. I'm glad. You know what? That's a good, you know, a position. to take. No more visions of grandeur when it comes to, could your karaoke career lead to a recording contract and superstardom at your age with the voice that you have? I think just go enjoy it, have fun, you know, get people to clap along with you. You are great at getting the audience fired up at the beginning. It seemed like the response last night was really good. Yeah, it was. Yeah. It was very good.

I mean, I was very happy with my... And again, I was inspired because it was the Sam and Dave tune. Right. And I really wanted to pay tribute to the great Sam Moore. So, you know, hopefully I think I'll be back there. You know, maybe, you know, for the next cario. It was a beautiful, by the way. It was like, you know, beautiful sunset.

Yeah. It actually impacted the video a little bit. Yeah, I know. Yeah. I know. Well, what can I say about that? Nothing, because I'm going to play the audio. At the end of this, I'm going to play some of Tommy's performance last night at Kenny D's.

Tommy Purify, that is, playing a Sam Moore song. Rest in peace, Sam Moore. All right. Well, you're back. I'm excited about it. I think the people are excited about it. So good luck with it. I, look, when you retired, my bookie put out odds on Tom.

PURify coming out of retirement within the next year, and it was even money. I wanted better odds, so I didn't wager on it, but I kind of felt like where they set the odds was probably fair. You just love the attention when you're singing too much, and I think it was a void in your life over the last year. Was it even a year? It was about a year. It was about a year when it happened. And then, yeah, there may have been a void, but I had talked myself into, you know, stepping down. You know, just being satisfied with my little corner of the world doing your little podcast. Exactly.

Kenny Dees, by the way, has karaoke nights pictures up on its website, and you're not in any of these, so I've got a problem with that. There are, you know, 3, 6, 9, there, 18 pictures up here of karaoke. 21. And I don't see you in any of these pictures. Now, maybe that's because of your retirement. And maybe after last night, your return will have you up there. But I think that you should get Spider-John and the rest of the Kennedy's people to get you up on the website. Well, maybe. You can, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to wake up any ghosts here. Okay. Like Sammy Panama?

Yeah. You think he would come back and try to offer you a new recording contract? No, I think he would try to come back and make me an offer. I could definitely refuse stuff. All right. Okay, I have some football questions for you. I also want to get your thoughts on Miles Garrett. There was more Miles Garrett on Radio Row yesterday.

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and you'll hear Mina mentioned Washington and their young quarterback, Jaden Daniels. No secret that quarterback has been the issue in Cleveland. When you look ahead again to potential spots, is that something that's important to you joining a team where the quarterback is set and ready to compete? Absolutely. Any playoff team or any championship team, they're going to have a quarterback, a good quarterback. And, you know, you've seen some game managers, no, go out there with a great defense and win it all. but you know if you want to consistently be at the top you got to have a really good quarterback there's all the obvious like you know the guys in the Super Bowl you're Josh Allen's you're Lamar they're obviously not going to trade you the Ravens but um but what about like a youngster like jaden Daniels like an up-and-coming star could that appeal to you at all

absolutely I mean he looked great I mean he looked great when we played him but he really showed us behind when he was in the playoffs and you know he's really done it and been very composed you know throughout the entire season he can only continue to flourish and he you know keeps his head down and continues to work. Miles Garrett with Mina Kimes yesterday. He was really making the rounds, Tommy, down in New Orleans, mentioning Washington at nearly every stop. You know what's kind of insane to think about, but it's also nice to think about. But just the combination of these two teams mentioned as desired locations for Miles Garrett to end up in. Washington and Detroit, I mean, other than him staying with the Browns, Washington and Detroit are essentially at the top of the odds list of teams in which he'll get traded to, and he only wants to get traded to contenders. And Washington and Detroit are at the top of that list. Boy, have times changed.

It's a remarkable turnaround from, what, four years ago? How long has Detroit been? Second straight year in the playoffs, and they were good in 2022. They were okay in 2022. But, yeah, no, Detroit was horrible before that. Yeah. Yeah, and before that, I mean, they still haven't played ever in a Super Bowl, but you're right.

You're right. Two teams that four years ago, you would have thought, you know, free agents would run away from not necessarily gravitate towards. And it shows how, you know, in the NFL, things can change so dramatically. So what do you think? You think Washington should be all in on Miles Garrett? Okay, there would be smarter people than me. Look, given the limited knowledge that I have about Miles Garrett,

I would say absolutely 100%. I mean, he's 29. He's still, you know, in his prime. like you said, he may be the best pass rusher in football. He can change the outcome of a game every time he's on the field. So yes, I would do what I could to get Miles Garrett in a commander's uniform. All right, so let me just tell you, because I've got a follow-up question to this, he is everything that everybody says about him.

He has been the true definition of a total game-wrecking defensive player pretty much since he arrived in the league, certainly for the last six years. The question really is, should Washington be all in on trying to win the Super Bowl in 2025? you know, because people I had somebody say they're, you know, they're more than one piece away. So, you know, people are against it because don't go all in on one player. It's too expensive.

First of all, they don't have to go in just on one player. But let me just say, Miles Garrett isn't a one-piece answer. In one body, he's a two-to-three-piece answer with the kind of player he is. But the question is, is this the year that Adam Peters, should go from recalibration to swinging for the Super Bowl fences. Well, since he was one game away from the Super Bowl this year, I'd say he's taken another shot at the fences. That's what I would say.

Because they might move the fences like they did at Camden Yards one time, and it makes years before they moved them back. So I would say, to me, that never entered into it. I mean, the whole time frame has been accelerated because of Jaden Daniels. Everything has changed in terms of a recalibration, you know? Yeah. So I say go for it. That's where I am.

I mean, it's actually so interesting because, you know, we were sitting here talking about New Orleans, you know, a little bit sarcastically. But when they got to seven and two, it was like, okay, we got to completely change the way we thought about the season. And so do they. And that was, you know, as we were leading up to the trade deadline and we were talking about making a big move. They ended up doing it. They made a big move from Marchon Latimore. They recognized that there was a chance that they couldn't, you know, just say, oh, it's not our time.

You know, it's a little bit too early. No, they at 7 and 2 were legitimately in the hunt for a division title and a one or two seed. And so, yeah, the Latimore deal wasn't just for this year. You know, he had years left on his deal, which is one of the reasons that they did it. But still, they wanted him to be a big part of a big run this year. He wasn't, but they did make a big run. But it's just amazing to kind of think about this year. and, you know, the recalibration talk, and okay, I mean, I know that, you know, a few of us were out there on a limb thinking they could have a season that could even end in the postseason, but that was really just a wing and a prayer.

And them talking about recalibrating, they don't want to talk rebuilding because you don't rebuild in the NFL anymore. You know, there's no rebuilding. There's no Ron Rivera five-year plan. But they thought that they, you know, if Jaden played well, enough and they made some of the moves they made, but they clearly weren't going for it this year based on the contracts and the free agents they signed. But man, once we realized they have this guy and he's the real deal, that's when the mindset changes. This is the dream scenario, a quarterback who is right now probably the best quarterback in the NFC. He's top five in the league, top 6-7 worst case, and he's on a rookie contract, and you are loaded with cap space and picks and future picks.

You're trying, this is window number one, Tommy. This is the first window of opportunity that you've got to pounce on. I agree. I agree, because this guy changes, just like your quarterback does now, this guy changes the outcome of games. changes he does you'd have the best quarterback on the field in a lot of your games and you'd have the best defensive player on the field in a lot of your games actually you might have the best defensive player on the field in all of your games that's how great he is um I wanted to mention so yeah I mean

actually has there been any talk of saying no we know we need to we need to keep our draft picks and not waste them on trading for players? Is there anyone actually touting that? I don't know. I don't know. I had this. I had this. I sure hope not. I had this from Ben. Ben wrote me. He started the email with full disclosure.

I thought Sam Hal was worth keeping, and I wasn't in favor of drafting a quarterback last year. I was so wrong. But here I go again, he writes, knowing that I might be wrong again. but he goes on Miles Garrett, I'm a strong no, no, no, no, no. We're not one piece away. The Eagles game proved that. He wrote, you were all over it through the year on the run defense, not being good enough to win a Super Bowl.

Fixing that is the top priority. And we had a good pass rushing defense. It was all about the run defense, a very expensive pass rusher like Garrett doesn't make sense to me. I'll hang up and listen. that was from Ben. You know, it's interesting. I went back and just looked at a lot of things related to their pass rush

because I did think, and I remember being in here many a Monday saying, or many a Sunday after a game saying, you know, the pass rush wasn't that bad. You know, Fowler was pretty good. Armstrong was pretty good. Louvo was pretty good. You know, they had at times a pretty decent pass rush. The problem was twofold. One, it wasn't a disruptive pass rush.

They finished seventh in the league and pass rush win rate. They finished 12th in sacks in the league. They did end up, you know, 20th and past defense per DVOA, 26th, run defense, 23rd overall. But I also looked at this, Tommy, and I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but maybe not as much in the detail that I'll mention it now. They didn't play anybody. Their last six regular season games, the quarterbacks in order, were Cooper Rush, Will Levis, Jay Caner Spencer Rattler, New Orleans, Kenny Pickett, Michael Pennix Jr. in his second start,

and Trey Lance. During the season, they faced Deshawn Watson, who was terrible and disinterested. They faced a young and struggling Caleb Williams. They faced Andy Dalton and Bryce Young in the same game against Carolina. a struggling Daniel Jones twice. I looked this up. They played seven games against teams ranked in the bottom 25% of the league in pass block win rate. So that means they weren't facing strong pass blocking offensive lines in seven games.

They played nine games against teams ranked from 23rd to 32nd in pass offense per DVOA. They just, they weren't good defensively in any of the results where the eye test said, it wasn't that bad today. It was usually because the team they were playing was terrible on offense, terrible at quarterback on offense. They just weren't disruptive enough with their pass rush and their defense. And they would be with Miles Garrett. And by the way, he's a great run stopper. So two birds with, I think it's more than one stone.

He's more like three rocks. He's so good. So yeah, who knows if they'll get them. I mean, they have the 29th pick in the first round. They may not be able to offer as much as another team higher up in the draft. That's a new position to be in. Yes. Yes.

Yes, it is. That's a good point. All right. I have a question for you when we come back, and that is, if the Chiefs win on Sunday, is it the greatest dynastic run in NFL history? They would be four and one in six years, four Super Bowls, one Super Bowl loss in six seasons. We'll talk about that, and we'll get Tommy's prediction on the Super Bowl when we return right after. These words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, new sponsor on the podcast this week, and it's a good one. Have you heard of Goldbelly? Goldbelly is this amazing site that you can order food from, but not just any food, iconic food, famous foods from famous restaurants all across the United States, and they'll ship it free to your door anywhere in the country. I got a lot of it shipped to me over the last two weeks.

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to watch the Super Bowl and eat a quality meal. Find out more at shelley's backroom.com. All right, I want to ask you about the Chiefs and where they would sort of reside in dynasty history, NFL-wise, if they were to win on Sunday. If they were to win on Sunday, the Patrick Mahomes era would be four and one in the Super Bowl. In the last, by the way, six seasons

with their only non-Super Bowl appearance being when they lost to the Bengals at home in the AFC title game. Also, if you want to just extend it out to seven years, remember, they lost to the Patriots in the AFC championship game at Arrowhead. That was the final salvo for the Belichick-Bradie Patriots. They went on to beat the Rams in the Super Bowl. But D. Ford was off sides, and if he hadn't been off sides, the Chiefs probably win that game. in regulation, and that's a Super Bowl season.

So the stretch we're talking about if they win is the first to three-peat. No teams ever won three Super Bowls in a row. That really is the headline, the first to three-peat. Four and one in the last six years in the Super Bowl. Four and one in the last seven years in the Super Bowl, with the other two years close losses, both in overtime. in the conference championship game. I mean, let me, I should have emphasized the two times that they weren't in the Super Bowl,

they lost the AFC championship game in overtime. So they were super close to really seven straight years in the Super Bowl. So here are the other dynasties that most people talk about, okay? And you're going to remember some of these more than I. I'm not going to go back to the Chicago Bears. of the 1940s or 30s. Is that okay? That's okay. The Cleveland Browns, 1950 to 55, you have told me many times over the years, Paul Brown,

greatest coach or certainly one of the greatest coaches that ever lived. The Paul Brown... The Belichick thinks he's the greatest coach of all the time. Yes. The Paul Brown-O-Gram Cleveland Browns of the 50s were a dinosaur. where they went over a six-year period to six-street championship games winning three of them. They were three and three in six straight championship games. During that stretch, by the way, 58, 13, and one in the regular season. Then we, of course, have Lombardy's Packers.

after they lost to Philadelphia in the 1960 championship game, that was Lombardi's only playoff loss. They reeled off nine straight postseason wins to win five championships and two Super Bowls from 1961 to 67. Two Super Bowls were Super Bowls one and two. Everybody, I think, even if you didn't live through it, understands that the Packers of the 60s were great. The Steelers of the 70s, four Super Bowl victories in four Super Bowl appearances over a six-year period.

The two years they didn't make it, 76 and 77, they were still very good teams, and they were injury riddled those two years. Some people say the 76 Steelers are the greatest defensive team in NFL history. they lost in the AFC championship game to the Raiders. Bradshaw had been hurt for a big portion of that season. But everybody is familiar, I think, listening, you know, most of you, with the Steelers of the 70s. The 49ers of the 80s, I mean, what a run. Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, they won it in 1981.

They won it in 84. They won it. And then they had a chance at a three-peat when they went 88, 89, and then lost in the NFC title game in 1990, the 1990 season to the Giants 15 to 13 in a great all-time NFC title game. The Montana, Walsh, 49ers of the 80s. Of course, they came back with Steve Young and won a Super Bowl in the 90s. but that era was really a standard. By the way, I would mention that Washington would have been the runner up to the 49ers during that stretch. Washington, four Super Bowl appearances, three Super Bowl wins over a 10-year period.

They were really the number two team of that era. The Cowboys winning three Super Bowls in four years during the Jimmy Johnson. This is a very short, you know, run for the Cowboys. but back to back in 92, 93, and then winning it with Jimmy's players, but with Barry Switzer as the coach in 95. And then, of course, the Patriots. It's almost impossible to really think of anything comparable to this because of the length of the run. They won their first Super Bowl in 2001, the 2001 season, and their last in 2018. they went six and three.

They went to nine Super Bowls over an 18-year period. This was a two-decade dynasty. There was a long stretch between 2005 and 2013 where they didn't win a Super Bowl, but they lost a couple of them to the Giants. So there was that. They were still a great team. So you've got those Patriots,

and then you've got the current chiefs. So I'll ask you first, are the Chiefs the greatest dynasty in the history of the league if they're the first to three-peat on Sunday, which would leave them four-and-one in Super Bowls over a six-year period, four-and-one over a seven-year period, with two overtime conference championship losses in the other two seasons? You know, as much as a three-peat, and did you see that, Pat, there's a story. hell, I don't know if it's a true story. I'm not even going to repeat it, because you don't know what's true anymore on the internet. But if they, if they, if they repeat, does that jump them over the Patriots or the Packers or even the Steelers? Not for me. I think the length of your dynasty is maybe the most important thing, because turnovers happen. And if you can sustain a dynasty over a length of time, I think that's the most important thing of all.

So, no, this does not put them ahead of the Patriots if they repeat. I don't think it puts them ahead of the Packers, and it may put them even with the Steelers. But Tommy, the only length of a dynasty longer than what the chiefs are in the midst of is the Patriots, which is longer than everybody's. The Packers was basically, you know, a six-year stretch, 61 to 67. The Steelers were four, you know, Super Bowls in six years. I mean, the Packers played in the 1960 championship game. They did. That's true.

60 to 67, then, and then Lombardy left. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, I mean, so I would still put the Packers ahead of the Chiefs. After that, I'd say it's neck and neck between the Chiefs and the Steelers. I think there are a couple of things here that are important. Number one is just how many more games you've got to win to get to a Super Bowl and win it now a days. The playoff field is expanded from where it was, especially with like the Browns and the Packers.

The Steelers still had to win two games to get to the Super Bowl. And the Cowboys had to win two games to get to the Super Bowl. The 49ers had to win two games to get to the Super Bowl. the Patriots really didn't, you know, they played in such a weak division, and that's always been the argument against the Patriots when you've compared them to other dynasties, is the AFC East was easy, and they basically won it every year, and they ended up with two home games in a lot of their Super Bowl seasons. The Chiefs of—

Go ahead. You talk about how there's more games you have to play. because the league has expanded. People would say expansion has diluted the competition. I'm not talking about the competition. I'm talking about the number of games you've got to win to win the Super Bowl. I know that. But what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is now,

if you're going to use the number of games, you have to win now as a plus for the Chiefs, I would argue that they play in a much more diluted competition pool. that could be the Steelers or the Packers. That's fair. And look, they've been the number one seed a couple of times, so they've only had to play two games to get there too. Even with the expansion recently, if you're our number one seed,

you still only have to win two games at home to get to the Super Bowl, which, you know, the Packers of the 60s played a playoff game and the championship game, the NFL championship game. to get to those first two Super Bowls. So they basically played the same games, number of games that a lot of these teams played. The Patriots just weren't a wild card team very often. The Chiefs last year, remember, they won the Super Bowl,

and they proved they could do it on the road last year. That was what we were waiting for. Can Patrick Mahomes actually win a road playoff game because he had not played one? And they went on the road and beat Buffalo and went on the road and beat Baltimore and then beat San Francisco. But they had to beat Miami to start it. So they had to win three.

I think it's the Patriots. I think... Oh, it is the Patriots. Like arguing now, who's the greatest player in NFL history? He used to be Jim Brown. How can you argue now? It's anyone but Tom Brady. Seven Super Bowls.

you know, he went to a different team and won a seventh Super Bowl. So, I mean, like, there's certain arguments that you have the top dog and then everybody else is arguing for second, third, fourth place. I think that's the case with the Patriots. I think that for the Patriots and the Chiefs, it's been the era of parity intention. the league has designed for parity, for everybody to go eight and eight. It doesn't happen or to now go eight and nine or nine and eight.

But, you know, free agency, salary cap, draft, you know, positioning, which was always the case even when you go further back. But the difference is that they have been dynasties during a time in which the league was essentially trying to prevent them. You know, the Steelers and the Packers and the Browns and even the Cowboys in the early 90s, they were able to keep those teams together intact year after year after year. And the league wasn't trying to prevent them. It's kind of amazing that we've had back-to-back dynasties in the 21st century when football was essentially supposed to be and has been talked about so often as a league in which anybody can win because it's designed that way.

And yet the chiefs are a dynasty and the Patriots are the longest dynasty. I think what the Patriots did really is the most impressive because it was for so long and it was during an era in which it wasn't supposed to happen. Yeah.

And they had the great in the history of the league. They had what? they had the greatest player in the history of the league. Yeah, you could certainly argue that. Although we may be watching the greatest player ever that will say he is in two or three years on Sunday in Patrick Mahomes. Uh-huh. Here's something for you.

You ready for this? I'm ready for any. Because I have a feeling you're going to say a lot of quarterbacks before you say him, even though I know you're a fan of Patrick Mahomes. in their prime, would you rather have Patrick Mahomes or Fran Tarkington? Patrick Mahomes? Mahomes. Well, Frank Targerton is underrated for his career as a quarterback.

I'm picking guys that I'm thinking you might pick the other guy. Mahomes or Stauback? So I'm going to say Mahomes. Okay. Mahomes or Marino? Mahomes or Elway? Mahomes or Montana. Wow.

I mean, Marino, Elway, Montana. These are three, Marino and Elway for me, I would hesitate. But, I mean, Elway was always my number one. And Marino was always in my top for Mount Rushmore. but Brady is a part of that now and Mahomes is a part of that now. Elway, God, man, that's the one that would be really tough for me. Mahomes or Steve Young? Mahomes.

Mahomes or Brett Farrve? Mahomes or Troy Aitman? Oh, Mahomes. Come on. Mahomes are Drew Brees. Come on. Mahomes are... Mahomes or Aaron Rogers. Mahomes or Peyton Manning.

Mahomes. I mean, I think he's in the argument. If it wasn't for Brady, I think we'd be having the discussion of him being the greatest quarterback. Okay. Never played a game. You know what? There's something. This is a stupid measure.

Mahomes or Brady. I just want everybody to be clear. That was the last one. You would say Brady. I would say Brady. This is kind of a foolish measure. But whenever, you know, I've watched the Super Bowl with non-super Bowl fans every year over the years, nobody excited to those people more than Patrick Mahomes. Nobody.

I mean, in terms of excitement, like quarterbacks just jump off the page, we just listed some of them. I mean, Elway did. Elway definitely did. Now listen, really Aaron Rogers did He didn't ask me about Mahomes and Namath Well, because that's Namath You can pick Namath

But that Namath is not in the category of the quarterbacks that I gave you I know that I would have picked Mahomes But But a healthy Joe Namis Might have been the best We'd ever seen Even crippled Joe Namus

Turned out to be For his brief period of success something we had never seen before. I mean, that's what it was. But no, it's, look, you know, for an old-school guy to say that the guy playing quarterback now is, you know, the best I've seen.

Second best I've ever seen behind Brady. You know, I have to acknowledge it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the Brady debate's just, it's an interesting one. I don't really feel like getting into it. because I think Brady is also the greatest, but he's not the most gifted of quarterbacks,

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No repeat for the Kansas City Chiefs. Philadelphia Eagles are going to win this Super Bowl. It could be a close game like they have been for most recently, particularly with the Eagles, 30 to 27. 30 to 27 Philly. Here's the footnote. Okay. Because this is Saquan Barclays here.

He's going to take the team on his shoulders. in that game. And when he's done for his four postseason games, he'll have outrushed John Riggins four game runs. Oh, me. How many yards are what? Riggins is, what, 616, I think? It's 610.

610. Barclay, it's 442. Ooh, so you've got him rushing for at least 160. You said 610 was Riggins? Yes. And how many does Barkley have? Sorry. 442.

So you've got him for at least 169 yards rushing in this game? Yes. He is going to carry this game. People are going to be talking about Saconne Barclay as one of the all-time great after Sunday. He can pass Terrell Davis, too, for the most combined regular season and rushing yards in a season. he is 29 yards away from that. I didn't realize he was that close. So he will pass Terrell Davis

for the most combined regular season in rushing and playoff yards of all time. All right. That's my footnote. Okay. 30 to 27 Eagles. I will have Jay Gruden on tomorrow's show, maybe another guest as well,

and I'll give you my Super Bowl thoughts, preview prediction as well. All right, Tommy, thanks. Appreciate it. Enjoy the game. Where are you going to watch it? Okay, boy. Will you be required to do some karaoke before the game? At Kenny D's? No, no. I'm going to be watching it at home with family.

We'll have a small little Super Bowl gathering. Okay. Very, very low-key. All right. We'll enjoy it. Thanks. I'll be back tomorrow, everybody. See you, Tommy. See you, boss. together and give me some of that old soul yeah.