The Kevin Sheehan Show - Greenard Via Trade?

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

Kevin opened with a few emails including some follow-up to Scott Van Pelt's appearance on yesterday's show. Then it was the reported availability of Vikings edge rusher Jonathan Greenard and whether or not Washington might be a viable landing spot for him. Paul Charchian jumped on to talk Greenard and more. Scott Jackson joined the show to talk Commanders' free agency, draft, and the debut of Trae Young on Thursday night for the Wizards.   For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match For all your garden needs: fastgrowingtrees.com/sheehan To ship iconic foods from across the country, use: https://www.goldbelly.com/ For everyday daily wear, use: http://quince.com/Sheehan Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. He is Kevin. No Tommy on the show today. He is on the mend. If you listen to Thursday show, he was not well.

And yet he went toe to toe for 12 rounds, an hour plus on Thursday show. Although I will tell you, it took a heroic post-show editing effort to get all the coughing out of the show. He wanted to go again today, but I talked to him a little bit earlier. He did not sound great. He'll be back with me on Thursday. It takes two guests to fill his void, and I have booked those two guests. Paul Chartian, Churchill jump on with us next segment to talk about Vikings pass rusher Jonathan Grenard, who is apparently on the trade block. Might he reunite with Durante Jones here in Washington. We'll get info on that, and I'm sure with Charge per usual,

we will talk about a lot of things that have nothing to do with sports. After charge, Scott Jackson will jump on with me. It's been a while since I've had Scott on the show, but we'll get his thoughts on the Skins Free Agency period coming up, and we'll find out from Jack who he likes. in the draft at the end of April. We'll also talk some Wizards with Scott. I mean, Scott did pre and post game for Wizards radio for many, many years.

And Trey Young is scheduled to make his first wizard's appearance on Thursday night against Utah. Meantime, Trey Young got tossed out of last night's game, a game that the Wizards lost against Houston, but he was in civvies on the bench and got tossed for walking out. out under the floor and arguing a call. Nice job, Trey Young. The show's presenting sponsor is always, Window Nation, 86690 Nation, windownation.com if you need new windows. This from Rob, a Rob sent me a tweet that Brad Powers put out yesterday.

And Rob said, are you sure you didn't write this, Kevin? So Brad Powers, who I'm pretty sure I've had on the show before, is an NFL college football, sports gambling, and draft guy. He's in my contact list, which makes me believe that I've had him on the show before. I think he also may have been briefly with either Sumer Sports or PFF. I could be wrong. But this is his tweet that Rob sent to me. with Rob saying again, this could have been something that I tweeted.

Brad tweeted out, and I'm guessing this was on the heels of him being at the Indy Combine or consuming the Indy Combine, he tweeted out, quote, every NFL draft season, it never ceases to amaze me. How many NFL media members so-called scouts and fans don't watch big time college football? I get not knowing small school prospects, but just now discovering all Americans from Ohio State and Notre Dame, mind-boggling. Rob, you're right. I think I say something like this every year right about now, between now and the draft. I will say it amazes me in listening to various people talk expertly about the draft where it's, obvious they didn't watch any college football.

I mean, I literally remember, and I'm not going to name names, but I literally remember there were people, you know, locally here who had no clue who Jaden Daniels was, you know, basically before he became a Heisman candidate, like a serious Heisman candidate in his last year at LSU. And then they would really kind of stretch the truth on how much they knew about his career and all the games that he had played at LSU. But whatever, let me make myself clear on this. I get it.

I get it with a lot of NFL people. They are consumed with Sundays. And in many cases, you know, they're traveling or they're writing or they're interviewing or they're broadcasting on Saturdays during the fall while college football's going on. They are working their NFL job. You know, people on the beat. You know, for these NFL teams, not only do they miss out on college football because many times they are traveling on Saturday or, you know, they are covering the team or maybe it's their one day off before game day because on Saturdays there are no press conferences. There's no practice, you know, out at the park.

But, you know, people on the beat, people covering one team in particular, they miss most of the rest of the NFL. on Sundays as well, because they are consumed with the team they're covering because that's their job. You know, that's what they get paid to do. So I'm not knocking the fact that they don't have a full grasp on, you know, college football or the players that played in college football that will soon be drafted. That's, you know, they're consumed with the NFL during the NFL season. So, you know, Brad Powers tweeting that out. I feel the same way, but I know why, you know, there are a lot of people at ESPN and NFL network.

And I'm blown away with when some of these people start talking about, you know, being surprised at how good certain players are. But again, in many cases, they don't get around looking at these players until after the Super Bowl because they're consumed with the NFL. The part that gets annoying is when somebody who's barely paid attention to college football suddenly is the expert in March and April after watching highlight reels. There are people, though, that I, in the last few years, I'm going to give you one name because I think there was a time in which I wasn't a huge fan of this guy, but I have really come to respect Lewis Riddick. he calls college games on Saturdays. He's always got a game on Saturday. I think sometimes he calls a game on Thursday night. He'll be Thursday night somewhere.

He'll be Saturday somewhere. And then it's obvious he consumes everything on Sundays. You know, over the years, I've just become a fan of his analysis, especially his analysis on players. I don't know that he's got the best delivery, but he knows what he's talking about. You know, Orlovsky's interesting because I think when it comes to the NFL, he really knows what he's talking about.

But like he's an example of a guy that I kind of sense doesn't watch much college football at all until the NFL season is over. Although, does he call any college games? I don't think he does call college games. Riddick is on, you know, occasionally very big games on Saturdays. I really, there was a time, remember, when Lewis Riddick was, you know, a GM candidate multiple times, and he didn't even get really any sort of serious traction. And I remember people were upset about that for a lot of different reasons.

And I was like, look, man, I mean, you know, if he were really that guy, somebody would given him a shot. He did work for the skins. He played for the Eagles, worked for the skins. You know, in the front office as a scout. But I do like his player analysis,

especially, and he spends a lot of time in college football. And then you can tell, you know, consumes the hell out of the NFL. But, you know, it's hard to follow it all. You know, I feel very lucky to do specifically what I'm doing

in sports broadcasting because I'm not on a beat, and I wouldn't be on a beat at this point in my life professionally, even personally. So not being on a beat means I don't have to be on an airplane on Saturdays or going to an NFL game. And then when the game ends, be writing or broadcasting before catching another plane back home, or if it's a home game, you know, out early, you know,

and you basically miss a lot of everything. else that's going on, you know, over the course of the weekend in football when you are covering one team. Now, I talk about one team more than any other. I watch one team more than any other, and I talk to more people about one team more than any other. But I do feel lucky that I can do that without missing the rest of it because I'm a massive college football fan. I actually, and I've said this, many times in the past. I prefer Saturdays to Sundays. I love Sundays.

Don't get me wrong. But there is something about college football that I have always loved. And, you know, it's very, very rare that I'm not, you know, and it's, you know, my wife will tell me, you know, over and over again, man, you have wasted a lot of time doing this.

But I love college football. And, you know, from noon, until literally one in the morning on Saturdays. It's staggered start times. There's always, you know, another game getting ready to kick off. The pageantry of it I've always loved. Love Sundays too. Don't get me wrong.

But I love the fact that the fall, even though I am in sports media, I don't get to miss the sports. You know, there are a lot of positions like this where you get to kind of consume everything without, you know, being asked to cover one thing. And I like it that way. I got this from Samuel in McLean. Samuel writes, Kevin, I love when you have Van Pelt on the show. Yes, Scott was on the show yesterday. He said the relationship you have with him makes the listen very easy. Thank you for that. I've known Scott for 40 years at this point, I guess. I wish, wish you would have him on more like you used to when you did the show with Cooley. Actually,

Scott, I guess he did come on weekly when I did the show with Cooley. But when Tommy and I did the sports fix, Scott was a regular, I think every Wednesday at like a fixed time. But he came on, I think going back to when I did the Riggins show, I think there was like a 10 year period where he came on weekly. And that just got to the point where he was busy and I you know it just didn't make sense for him you know he was getting home at three in the morning and I was doing oh well that's when it turned actually

once I started doing morning drive he you know I was going into work as he was basically coming home from doing sports center he couldn't possibly do the morning drive slot he was asleep during that show so I don't think he ever came on on a regular basis when I was doing it with cool because Cooney and I were doing morning drive.

Anyway, back to Samuel's email. The stuff on Mike Torrico was great. And yes, if you didn't hear it, Scott talked for 15 minutes or so about Mike Toriko and the respect he has for Toriko's versatility and so much more. And I love Toriko, too. I think he's incredible. Samuel writes, and the reason we talked about it is Scott had said something, I guess, on social media about Tariko

after his sort of recap following the gold medal hockey game. It was spontaneous, but it was so good. Samuel continues, as much as I agree that Toriko is a talent,

Pat Summerall did the NFL first as an ex-player analyst, and then as the lead play-by-play man at CBS and Fox for nearly 40 years. What other former player was an analyst first and then

a lead play-by-playman for that long? The answer, nobody. Meantime, he was CBS's lead golf and tennis play-by-play-man, hosted NFL films game of the week, hosted CBS's Pan American games,

and the list goes on. And nobody. ever did it with as much gravity, or as you suggested, Tariko doesn't have, gravitas. Somerol is the greatest ever. You know what? I don't disagree with that. I think Pat Summerall was just incredible at everything he did. Now, I know there have been some players who have become play-by-play.

guys, but not to the success that Summerall had. Summerall started as an analyst. Samuel is correct, and then became the play-by-play guy at CBS in the mid-70s, early to mid-70s, and he teamed up, you know, with Tom Brookshire as the number one team on CBS until Madden came around, and then it was Madden forever, obviously, on CBS, and then when the NFC package moved to Fox for all of those years on Fox. And yes, I mean, you know, with Ken Venturi on golf and Tony Traibert on tennis, I mean, he did every major tennis event. The U.S. Open was, I mean, it was Summerall and Tony Trabert for years on CBS. And Summerall and Ken Venturi calling me 18th at the Masters in every big CBS golf event. And yes, you're right. I remember, and you can even find some of these,

Sumerall and Brookshire and maybe even Summerall and Jack Whitaker and maybe even Summerall Solo hosting a lot of the NFL films shows of the 70s and maybe even into the early 80s.

The Pan American Games, I'll take your word for it. He did a lot, man. He was and what I said about Toriko is I'm a big Tariko fan. But I think what Tariko doesn't have that some of the greatest have always had is there's a certain level, I use the word gravitas, there's a certain tone, an authoritative tone.

It's not his fault. He doesn't have it necessarily in the voice. Summerall had it in everything. And Summerall's, you know, magic was less as more. I mean, Summerall barely described some of the biggest plays in the history of the NFL. but the few words he used were impactful. Samuel, I can't disagree. I think Summerall might be my all-time favorite. I think Al Michaels as a play-by-play guy in his prime was like Tariko is now.

You know, Al-Michaels knew the game as a play-by-play guy. Mike Tarrico really knows the game. Certainly when it comes to the stuff that, you know, fans that are really perceptive know. A lot of the game management score, clock management rules, etc. And Scott emphasized that this guy knows the rules better than the analyst typically does.

Tariko's excellent as a play-by-play guy always has been. I think Michaels and his prime was great. Summerall was unique, though, and Summerall really did have a level of kind of authority in his tone. I mean, it was Cronkite-esque, for sports.

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big stories today before we get to the one that I think hits closest to home around the NFL. Kyler Murray reportedly will be released by the Cardinals. That's not a big surprise. It will be interesting to see what kind of deal he gets and who decides to take a swing on Kyler Murray. God, I've never been a big fan. I was before that draft, but since watching Kyler Murray in the NFL. I don't think I've seen a player of his talent anyway, play smaller than he plays. He's just tiny. And it's really hard to play that position when you're that short. We'll see what happens with him. How about Daniel Jones getting the rarely used transition tag from the Indianapolis Colts? The transition tag is not the franchise tag in that they've got a writer for

a first refusal on any deals that Daniel Jones signs with another team. So write a first refusal there. And then if he doesn't get an offer from anybody else, they lock them in at one year at less than the franchise tag number at $37.8 million. The Jets did place the franchise tag on Breece Hall, the running back, but the Bengals did not place the franchise. tag on Trey Hendrickson. So that is, I think, an official goodbye to Cincinnati. Probably should have traded him last offseason. They had the opportunity to certainly lock in,

you know, a day two pick or two. Maybe not the first rounder that they wanted, but Washington and other teams were interested in parting with, you know, a day two pick and maybe a day three pick in combination. Ultimately, they'll get some sort of comp pick next year, but could have gotten a lot more had they dealt him. But I think Cincinnati kept him because they thought they had a chance to make a run this year. They didn't because their quarterback got hurt. And oh, by the way, Trey Hendrickson got hurt as well. I think, though, the story today that I'm most interested in, and I think many of you should be as well,

is that the Minnesota Vikings reportedly are open to trading edge pass rusher Jonathan Grenard. Granard has been one of the better pass rushers in the league for a while now. You know, going back to his days in Houston, his last year in Houston, 2023, he had 12 and a half sacks. His first year with the Vikings in 2024 and Brian Flores, the year they went 14 and 3. he had 12 sacks. He's been among the league leaders in pressure rate. Even though he only had three sacks this year, which is way down from where it's been, he did miss the last four and a half games with the shoulder injury.

He was still seventh in the league in pressure rate. I've been a fan of Jonathan Grenard. I think he's been an excellent player. Remember in our game against the Vikings in December. Steve Suter came in the film breakdown day that Wednesday and said, Who the hell's number 58? And I said, that's Gronard. He's like, man, this dude is good and he is timing up every single snap count.

They had some issues that day, no doubt. That was a bad Cliff Kingsbury day for sure. But the Vikings have major salary cap issues right now. They are currently $43 million over the NFL salary. cap. They'd like to keep Grinard, Adam Schaefter reported, but their work to sort of reduce the cap

number has led to trade discussions for Grinard. Obviously, Grinard played in the Brian Flores system the last two years. Durante Jones was a part of that, and now he's in Washington, and Washington has a need for a pass

rusher. Granard's contract calls for $22.3 million in a cap number, this year and 19 million in cash salary for 2026, but none of it is fully guaranteed. If he's still on the roster five days after next Wednesday, after the league calendar begins, some of his base salary becomes guaranteed, not a lot of it, but a trade would save them about $12 million in cap space. You know, there already have been reports that the Vikings are interested in moving on from running back Aaron Jones and D-Linman Javan Hargrave.

Man, and we're going to talk to charge about this here momentarily. But yeah, count me in as interested. Now, what would the price be? I can't imagine you're going to get Jonathan Grenard for anything less than a day two pick and perhaps more than that. maybe a combination of a day two and a day three pick. Now, Washington doesn't have a second round pick. You know, they've got a third and a fifth.

They don't have a second and a fourth. So you're into next year. You know, so we'll see if Washington again, like we were talking about, you know, last week or the week before when it came to Max Crosby, do they have enough to be able to deal for a player like that? But when we talked last week about Knones versus maybes.

Jonathan Grenard may not be Max Crosby. No. He's not, you know, T.J. Watt. He's certainly not Miles Garrett. He's not, you know, Michael Parsons. But at 28 years old, that's a good start to figuring out, you know, how to improve your pass rush. He would not be the only person I'd be thinking about for sure. Trey Hendrickson's still out there.

How about adding Grenard and Hendrickson? via a free agency signing. Grinard is technically under contract for the next two years, but really only at that base salary. So we'll see. You know what would be interesting is if people aren't willing to give up what Minnesota wants. Could he get released?

I don't know. I don't think so. He's not in the same category of discussion of Aaron Jones and Javon Hargrave. You know, Minnesota is an interesting team. We'll talk, you know, to charge about Grenard next, but they have talent. You know, they just have a quarterback issue and now a cap issue, apparently. What else NFL-wise today?

As it relates to our team, Avon Miller had a quote today on the Rich Eisen show. and I'll read it to you, quote, I'm a loyal guy. I would love to stay with the Washington commanders. I fell in love with my teammates there. I love the way they run the organization. Now, if something were to happen, and I'm not a Washington commander, then I would love to go to the Denver Broncos. I think we've heard something similar to that from Von Miller.

And that would basically wrap up the conference. about our team, although just, you know, if you're interested, Tyler Beaudish, being hosted by the Chicago Bears. He is, you know, a free agent and, you know, as a veteran player who is now available, he can begin talking to teams right now since he was released. Oh, the other thing, too, there was a report here by, this guy, Jordan Schultz, we've talked about him before, that Washington does not plan on resigning Jake Moody. So if that's the case, they won't have any kickers on their roster, plenty of time.

And undrafted free agents, they're not going to draft a kicker. And there are a few, not many kickers in free agency, but yeah. All right. You know, there's this story about Washington having to pay DC a million dollars to settle a lawsuit from the Daniel Snyder era. You may have seen it. It's part of a settlement from a 22 lawsuit that accused the team of violating the D.C. consumer protection law. You know, it had to do with, you know, all of the tickets and merchandise and things like that. I mean, it's just a continuation of the Snyder stuff. But, you know, that's why, you know, I believe that, you know, when they purchased the team,

there was some money put into escrow, I think, and it was going to take some time before Snyder got the rest of it to let some of these legal situations settle. I don't know if that means that that's really Snyder's money that was put to the side to pay for it, or if Josh Harrison company have to pay the million dollars themselves. they can afford it in the NFL. All right, charge next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Did you know fast-growing trees is America's largest and most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over two million happy customers?

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one of my all-time favorite people to have on the radio show, the podcast, Paul Chartian, one of the all-time guru fantasy football experts. follow Church at Paul Chartian, a Minneapolis guy, which is why I'm reaching out to Church today, because the Vikings, who the hell knows what they're doing. But Church has been coming on radio with me for, I don't know how many years during football

season, and it's always, you know, a segment that starts with some football, but usually ends with either old football, music, movies, popular culture, something having to do with popular culture. We will stay away from politics and religion. Let's do that so we don't piss anybody off. I can agree to those. Yeah, so we don't piss anybody off. But I thought of you because Jonathan Grenard is apparently going to get traded. What are the Vikings doing? I mean, are they about to rebuild? There's a real chance the Vikings are going to go into rebuild mode. And I'll explain it in just a moment. Best segment we had all year. Ranking the hostess products.

I think, well, yes, hostess products was a good one. I always loved the hostess cupcakes. Always loved the hostess cupcakes. And I think you weren't hip to devil dogs, although that may have been. No idea. Actually, maybe that wasn't hostess. Yeah, I'm forgetting. Ding don't. Ding Ding-dongs. Ding-dongs were hostess. Ding-dogs. Yeah. And better than the cupcake, in my opinion.

Uh, ding-dong. Close call. Because, well, here's why. Yeah. I'm going to make my cake. You don't have to agree. The ding-dog has the entire, the entire ding-dong is coated in the chocolate, uh, you know, the chocolate frosting.

Right. That keeps the inside cake moist. The cupcake only has the frosting on the top. And so even when you pull it out of that, that egg shrapters, you, shell container that it's in, the cake is not as moist because it doesn't have the protective layer of the icing on the outside that the ding-dog has. That was very well explained, and you're 100% right. And I'll tell you, that's why I would always check the dates on the cupcakes, because you had to get something recent to make sure

that cake was moist. God forbid you get something that's sort of about to get taken off the shelf, and then you've got a stale cupcake, whereas the ring being completely encased in chocolate, it kept that cake moist before you got to the filling. Nice job. Well, done.

Thank you. This is finally something I know something about. Yes. You know, I think I mentioned this to you. I was never a big Twinkies guy, ever. I needed chocolate. Me either. I needed chocolate.

I'm here for the chocolate. But from going non-chocolate hostess products, and we did talk about this a little bit, the apple pie. Yeah, of course. The horse's apple pie was and is really good. That was a standard 7-Eleven early morning before school possibility, along with a big gulp. By the way, devil-devil dogs, Little Debbie, Little Debbie. Little Debbie. Yeah.

And we established the Little Debbie, the Little Debbie, the Little Debbie, a whole. in your background is you haven't had the nutty bar. I'm sorry, my fault, my fault. Not Little Debbie, Drake's, Drix, was Devil dogs. Little Debbie, you told me about that, what did you just call it? The nutty bar. Yeah, never, not hip to it at all. Don't even know what you're talking about.

I need to send you nutty bars. Drake, the problem for me was in the Midwest, we didn't have Drake. I think if East Coast only, I mean, Utah now, we still don't have Drake. I think it's an East Coast brand, I think. You know what the East Coast is missing? Somebody mentioned this to me the other day because they were in Chicago. Or they were in Wisconsin, actually. They went through Chicago.

And they said, have you ever had Culvers? And I said, I have had Culvers. But they're not on the East Coast. Culver's is a burger chain for those of you who don't know. And that is one really good burger. You have it in Minneapolis, right? Yep, we have them in Minneapolis. And they're spreading like wildfire.

I have one here in Utah now as well. Well, they are very popular. The burger, they're thin, they're fried in butter, and then the other thing they've got, and the real killer for them, and all the world, the margin is the custard. It's, and they call it custard. It's really, it's ice cream. It's super thick ice cream, and then you add in all the mix-ins, right? And they've got, you know, whatever mixing you want, candy bars, fruits, all that stuff.

They got, like, 30-40 mix-ins, and you basically make a blizzard out of it. but it's thicker because it's got this, I don't know, what they call custard. And it's, that's sort of the secret with Culvers is the burger. You get the big, you get the custard at the end. It's really good. Yeah, I'm looking at the custard on the menu. That looks really good. Yeah, we don't have them.

I don't, I'd have to find a list of locations, but I'm going to bet you they're probably not that far east of the Mississippi. No, but they're marching. What I've seen in the last 20 years, Culver is moving everywhere. You're going to start. I bet there is far east to say like Indianapolis at this point. They're going to be coming, my man.

You're going to see them all over. Well, it's very good. And my very good friend, Scott Van Pelt, who was on the podcast with me yesterday, he said to me, this is like... Oh, did you talk Shane Lott? Did you talk to Shane? No, no, no, no, I didn't ask. I talked about it with him before,

to be honest with you, it would skip, it totally slipped my mind when I had them on. But yeah, what a, what a choke job by a guy who never chokes, you know, ever,

is usually super clutch. But Scott, about five years ago, he said, have you ever heard of Culvers? And I said, no, and I had not had Culvers.

He said, the guys that founded Culver's are in town to play golf with me, and they played a congressional here, because they, you know, it was some auction to play with Scott and Andy North, actually. And Andy North is a Wisconsin guy, you know, an actual university of Wisconsin guy. And, you know, a two-time U.S. Open winner as well.

But they played golf with those guys. And that was the first time I had heard of it. And then when I was out there, I don't know, three years ago, I saw it. And I'm like, I'm going to try it. It's very good, very good. Culvers, everybody. There's our spot for the day. See if we can get paid for.

That is your spot for the day. Your road trip is to Raleigh, North Carolina. If you want your closest culvert to the greater Washington, D.C. area, that's got to be, what, three hours? Can make it to Raleigh in three and a half, four hours? Yeah. Yeah. You know, that might be, you know, that might be worth the drive. Well, I don't.

Maybe, but that's much further east than I thought they were. Yeah. So they are spreading quickly. All right. Jonathan Grenard. Why are they putting them on the market? And tell me what, A, the team that trades for him is getting, B, what you think the cost will be. He's the best pass rusher on the Minnesota Vikings.

He had more pressures than any other Viking. And he had more pressures than any other Viking, and he missed five games, and he still had more pressures than any other Viking. So best pass rusher by a bit. Now, two years ago, the Vikings put a first round pick into another edge rusher, Dallas Turner. But Turner has done very little up until the very end of last year where he started to blossom. And so maybe that's part of it. Vikings fired their general manager about three and a half weeks ago.

And he had left the team dead last in money over the cap. and this despite, as you'll appreciate this, during the Kirk Cousin's era, all the Viking fans were gnashing their teeth about how Kirk had 15% of the team's cap and no teams ever won the Super Bowl that had more than 13 and a half percent of their team's cap. And you've got to, you know,

you've got to get a kid on his rookie deals in the way you can win in this league. So Vikings get a kid on the rookie deal and teams really bad and they're over the cap. So we managed to face it. both ways, and now we don't have, we have an interim acting general manager right now.

Our ownership, the Will family, has now owned the team for 25-ish years, have only seen a couple of playoff wins in those 25 years, one trip to the NFC championship game. It might be, Kevin, that the Vikings and their ownership

are just ready to bottom out. Maybe they're ready. They don't have, apparently they do not have their quarterback, and nobody knows who their quarterback's going to be, but they've said they're looking at all available quarterback options. They've said that publicly. So J.J. McCarthy, very likely, is not the starter for this team next year, which is a damning indictment. And then you're trading way your best pass rusher.

So maybe the feeling from ownership in Minnesota is it's time to just tear this thing down to the studs. They've got the fourth oldest roster and just do the full rebuild, get your way to the top of next year's draft class, and try to find, take another stab and another quarterback. Yeah, remarkable. I mean, look, you were like me, but a Vikings fan, so a totally different perspective, but you were a Kirk Cousins guy. And I think you, like even I did, to people that I knew that were Vikings fans, I said, be careful what you wish for. Because when he walked from here to sign with Minnesota after the 2017 season, it took us seven years to get a quarterback that was obviously really good and elite-level talent in Jaden Daniels. But they went through 14 or 15 guys in the process.

And, you know, I've told you this before. I thought he was playing his best football of his career when he tours Achilles. I told him that. He was. I had him on my show. about two weeks ago. We talked about everything. He's a great dude.

He wants to play again. But that's another subject. We're not going to get into Kirk. But Jonathan Grenard's cost to acquire would be what, do you think? It's all right if you don't have a good guess. I think this is the hardest thing. Yeah. Yeah, he's on a team.

He's on a good contract. And that will help for some acquiring. team. His teams just don't throw on first rounders like they used to. I don't think he would get a first round pick

even though he's a really good pass rush. And by the way, A plus locker room guy, super smart too. I do, I think he would be looking at, I think the Vikings

would probably take a second round pick for him. But I don't think, I don't think they'd have to be desperate and there should be, there should be a market for him. I mean, everybody wants a good,

a good edge rusher, and he's one of the best edge rushers in the league. one of like 15 best. I don't want to get carried away, but I would think that could net you a second round pick, and you get a massive upgrade on a young, talented player who's good. So, yeah, that's, I think it'd be about a second round pick.

You know, because I had you on shortly after the hire on radio, that they hired Durante Jones to be the defensive coordinator here from the Brian Fours system in Minnesota. So that's why I think a lot of people are, drawing a line from Grenard to Washington. The problem is Washington doesn't have a second round pick. They've got a third round pick. They don't have a second round pick.

That went to Houston last year for Tunsell. You know, the other player that I think is an interesting possibility is Javon Hargrave. How did he play this year? And it looks like it's very possible he could get released for cap reasons in Minnesota. Yeah, that was a disaster. Disaster. And, you know, one of the things that helped end, Quasi Adopo Menza's tenure as a general manager. He, two, this team brought in too many older, proven injury-prone players, and he was ultra

ineffective. So it's a foregone conclusion that he's going to be released here. It was not good against the run, a very limited pass rush, and really mostly invisible. most games, unfortunately. Did he play a lot of nose in that 3-4 base? Not a ton, some, but not a ton, but they also,

just because they use so many exotic schemes here, they asked him to play, you know, a little A-gap, a little B-gap, they move their alignment around a lot. So, no, you know, they really didn't ask him to be a true nose guard all that often, but they do, you know,

they do use their alignment in a lot of unique situations that aren't typical. So, I mean, the other thing, and it has nothing to do with us, but do you think Kyler Murray's a possibility? Do you think Gino Smith is a possibility? Like, what other quarterback are they going to bring in? Well, they can pick a guy, be Daniel Jones. For people who don't remember, and you don't really have a reason to, two years ago, Daniel Jones spent the second half of his season.

in Minnesota. The Giants released him halfway through the season. He came to Minnesota. The Vikings loved Daniel Jones. Jones reportedly loved the Vikings, but the Vikings last, at this time last year, couldn't, they needed to commit to J.J. McCarthy. They couldn't give Daniel Jones the assurance that he would start that Indianapolis did. Now, where it gets kind of interesting with Daniel Jones, who would absolutely be number one, is he's got, he had the Achilles injury, and we saw what that did with Kirk Cousins, why do it always come back to Kirk? You know, that first year off the Achilles, Kirk had some legitimate struggles. The, you know, the power wasn't there, and it was, you could see that, you could see it affecting him. And I think there's going to be

some calculations on that. Kyler Murray and Gino Smith, if you want to make excuses for them, Kevin, it goes like this. Their organizations are awful, right? And, you know, these are top-down, bad organizations that have proven incapable for decades of being able to produce many quality players at any position, let alone quarterback, the most demanding of all of them. Gino Smith had been pretty functional in Seattle, not great, but functional, and he goes to the Raiders, and he's way, way worse. You know, for Kyler, I think the concern why I am lobbying the Vikings not to do anything with Kyler, he got benched, clearly, wasn't injury-related this year, and the offense was way

better with Jacoby Brissette, way better. You know, via any metric or just use your eyeballs. Cardinals are so much better with Bressett. Yeah. We're Kyler Murray. No doubt. Same offense. And the fact that he got benched that way ignominiously.

And I don't, I mean, that's a guy where, I just don't know if is the drive there. Does he have like that championship level will to win? I don't know, man. Kyler Murray just doesn't give that off. If he does, I don't see it. What do you think? I wouldn't be interested in Kyler Murray at all. I actually think Gino Smith was just in a bad spot last year.

But I don't know what I'd be doing if I were you guys, because if you are convinced that you got it wrong with J.J. McCarthy, I wouldn't mess around because it's still a talented football team. If you've got a quarterback, you've got a chance to win 10, 11 games and be in the postseason. I think the talent is still there to be that. kind of a team. And you kept Brian Flores. Remember, there was some debate there as to whether or not he would leave and he's back.

And, you know, that's been a schemeed up, you know, a level schemed up defense since he arrived. You just need a quarterback. I mean, personally, I think it'd be a very good fit for Kirk to return there since this is all about, you know, circling back to Kirk Cousins. But I think he's got another year or two in him, and I thought he played very well at the end of last year, and he obviously knows the offense and knows everybody there. But who knows?

He may get an opportunity to get a clear-cut spot somewhere else. We'll see. All right, I know you've got to run. I'll leave you with this. If we were doing live radio instead of recording for a podcast, I'd have 30 tweets right now saying, how did you guys not mention, Ho-ho's. I mean, I think Ho-ho's probably after Twinkies would have been hostess's number two product, right?

I'm cool with that assessment. Also, the advantage of being fully encased in the outer icing. Yes. And then I think the question is, what kind of nibble are you? I mean, you nibble? You know, at the end off, do you try to unpeel it a little bit? How do you attack the Ho-ho? You attack the ho-ho differently if it's warm versus cold. If it's cold, you go outer shell. You go, you know, you're chipping away at the chocolate. And I used to put them into the refrigerator as a kid. If they're warm, that thing's going down in two bites. All right.

I've never heard of refrigerating a ho-ho. Oh, yeah. My sister and I, she liked them refrigerated. I liked them refrigerated. So when they were purchased, which was pretty often, they went into the refrigerator, and that's how we proceeded. Not everybody did it that way. I like candy frozen. Like, I don't like candy warm.

I like candy when it's frozen. Like, give me a Snickers bar that's frozen, not a Snickers bar unfrozen. Absolutely. And the nutty bar, which I'm going to, you know, when I fly in in April, I'm bringing nutty bars with me. Okay. And you're going to put them in the freezer and you're going to have a life-changing experience. All right, last things I do have to go is this. Clearly the McDonald's CEO would nibble at the Ho-Ho-Ho.

It would just be a little dainty nibble. That would be your McDonald's CEO eating the Ho-Ho-Ho for sure. Is that what you're leaving me with? Well, apparently you're not following this huge story on social media right now. I am not. I'm not following the McDonald's CEO-Ho-Ho's story. Tell me about it. Okay, I'm going to keep this brief.

They're trying to introduce a new burger. They get this greedy McDonald's. You know, nobody who knew who he wants. He looks like an accountant. Zero personality. He's on camera, and he's talking about this new burger, the Mick Arch or something. And he goes to do this taste test of it, right?

As though he's never even had it before. You know, he picks it up, and he takes this tiny nibble. And he says, hmm, that is a good test. Oh, wow. And it was emasculating. Couldn't, couldn't, was this recorded? Didn't somebody say, well, we're not going with that take? You got to take a big chunk of it, dude?

Right, right. And so then today, the Burger King CEO has a response video where he's eating a Wopper, and of course he takes a big man-sized bite of the Wopper. Right. I'm seeing it right now. I'm seeing it right now. I totally missed it. Real quickly, what is the burger? I can't tell you the last time I did McDonald's other than for breakfast. It's been a long time since I've done McDonald's normally. You know, burger, et cetera. If I'm going to get a burger, I'd rather, if I'm going to do that, I'd rather go five guys. You know, I'd rather go with. Oh, you're so wrong. I'd rather go fast casual than fast food.

Well, that, okay, I'm with you on that, but I can't go to five guys, but that we will save that debate for another time. Well, tell me about the new Archburger. The big Archburger has what on it? It's arch sauce. I don't know what is in Arch sauce. What is? I don't know what I do what Arch sauce is, but that appears to me, it's like lettuce, tomato, arch sauce on a quarter pounder is what appears to.

Yeah, it looks like a quarter. It looks like a quarter pounder with a Big Mac makeup without two patties, of course. The Big Mac was always my favorite. It's outstanding. I mean, just the reality of it is it tastes great. You might not feel good an hour later, but it tastes great. All right. We'll do Paul Thomas Anderson movies the next time we talk.

But did you see... And we'll do a semi-fast food burgers. Did you see one battle after another? Just tell me that. Yes or no? Not yet. Oh, go see it. You'll love it. And I have to see DTF St. Louis next. So it's backlogged a little bit.

Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it. Talk to you soon. Bye-bye. Paul Chartian, everybody. I'm not even sure what we did there, but I think we got some good information on Jonathan Grenard. Scott Jackson next after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show is brought to you by Window Nation. We've got warmer weather on the way this week. But don't relax. Not yet anyway. Early spring weather can be unpredictable. Adjusting your

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and you get to work with him a lot. He's one of the funniest people I've ever met. Don't tell him I said that, though. Yeah, he's very fun. And by the way, he's a nerd. I mean, he's a real nerdy, dorky, like, I like Marvel movies, DC Comics, Star, like, all the Game of Thrones. I mean, he's a real dork. I mean, deep down behind that Mississippi drawl and all the fun, he's a nerd.

I mean, he's a flat-out nerd, and he braces all of it. But, yeah, we have a great time chopping it up even when the team stinks. And unfortunately, that's been. more years than been good at this point with me and him doing the show together. But yeah, we have a good time. You know, we have a good time. You know, he is nerdy. I mean, he's such a huge sports fan. But the two of us, every single time he's on, we constantly make Game of Thrones references

to each other, which people actually love if you love the show like we did. Now, I'm not a Marvel guy. You can keep me away from that scene. but he really is, he's an interesting dude, that is for sure, with such an interesting history in the NFL. All right, before we get to the football team, because Scott is, you know, one of the all-time wizards guys from the station, I think the two of us were the only two that actually liked the team during the years. And Scott, for many years, did pre-game, post-game, everything for the station for the

Wizards. But what did you make of the announcement yesterday that Tray Young is going to play on Thursday night against Atlanta? By the way, got ejected from the game last night from the bench. Well, I, you know, I guess, and nothing surprises me, I guess, at this point anymore with the NBA. It just feels like Adam Silver has lit up some teams with all this tanking stuff lately and everybody's trying to, I guess, look like they're not really doing what we all know they're doing. I don't know. I think it's kind of weird just from the ping pong ball standpoint of where they sit right now that they put them on the floor. But again, as we've seen with Utah, there's ways to manipulate this stuff if the games get closed. Or if you feel like you might actually win, you know, set everybody out the fourth quarter or whatever you might want to do.

But yeah, it did surprise me. I thought the whole plan was, I get these two guys, think this year, win the lottery, see where we are from here. You know, hopefully AD puts on a smile and place for you next year. maybe you trade them in the offseason, who knows. I'm still not, you know, I'm still, I completely convinced maybe he ever really plays for them. But, I mean, there's certainly, he said all the right things at this point. But, yeah, I just think that's what was kind of surprising to see that yesterday. But again, maybe they feel like, you know, they're so far down the road

that he's not going to be able to save them in terms of, you know, moving up, moving up the rankings. And, again, they're playing some teams here coming up that are pretty good, too. If they ended up with number one overall, do you have a preference? Well, this Peterson thing worries me a little bit, right? Because I don't know what to make of it. Okay, if you're sick or you're injured, okay, that's fine. You know, I get it.

There's nothing wrong with that. But if you're really making this many business decisions already, you know, and he can't, I mean, this is the way we've kind of created as a society of basketball players who've created right now with what we've been doing. And, you know, the San Antonio Spurs has got to be in the forefront of all this stuff over the years with the way Popovich did some things. So, you know, that concerns me a little bit. I do like camera boozeer a lot.

And I know maybe for some people he won't have as many of the measurable, like the upside stuff for some of these other guys. But look, they do balls out every night. Like, he just plays his ass off. He does a very Duke thing. But I think there is something to be said for that. And I think, you know, again, he's a good athlete, but, you know, they're going to say he's not a great athlete.

But I think he's got, you know, one of your favorite things. He's got good length, right? he's a strong guy, he got a good base. You know, he definitely is a very coordinated guy. He moves around. He can, you know, he can shoot it from the three-point line, too. You know, I'm sure the NBA, he'll do that a little bit more. I think he just, he can give you a little bit of everything.

So I'm a big fan of his, and, you know, partially probably brainwatched because, let's be honest, Duke's on more than leave it to beaver reruns, as we once heard from the former UVA coach. So I think that's probably part of it, too. One of the first arguments, Scott Jackson and I got into in the bullpen, and this would have been in the studio's Brookville Road Silver Spring, those days. I was a massive Juan Dixon believer at the NBA level, and Jackson was right. He said, nah, he's just not going to have a career.

He's too small. He can't guard anybody, the whole thing. He did have 35 in a playoff game against the Bulls, which was my one, calling card for years. But you know I'm a big fan of this team and I know you are as well. I, if Anthony Davis played next year a significant number of games, let's call it 60 or more. I understand that's a long shot. Let's put that to the side and play hypothetical that he does stay healthy. He's got something to prove. You know, his legacy is starting, you know, it's tarnished right now. And he's got an opportunity to,

to truly maybe lift a franchise. If he played 60 plus next year, how many games would the Wizards win? Why? Could they actually ever win the Big 5-0, which since we were young and it happened? You know, that's a good question. I don't know.

I mean, because again, Trey Young, as many stats as people want to throw at you and tell you all these great things, there was a GM a long time, told me something really smart. Because, like, somebody's got to score a bad team, right? I mean, you know, there is some of that, comes up. And I get it. He's got a diss numbers. His defense is not great, but you put AD on the back end. I guess that's supposed to

solve that problem. I don't know, man. You know, I still look at, I still look at like Detroit, Boston and Boston we've better next year. Cleveland, you know, New York is ahead of them. Philly, depending on, you know, which version of it gets. So, I mean, maybe you're in that 7 to 10 range, 6 to 10 range. Hopefully you're out of that play and thing, which I think is ridiculous that we're still doing it. Hopefully you can get into at least the you know, the top five, you know, with him of the court. I don't know if you win 50, but, you know, if he plays 40-plus games

that is motivated, like, you know, he can be, you know, I think that puts you, you know, in a spot where you could, you know, maybe chase, you know, 45 plus on the season. But, again, there's a lot of pieces still that, you know, I think we have a lot of questions about it. You know, these guys haven't played in, like, meaningful, high-leverage games. I mean, there's out there running, you know, run-around shooting and scoring for 48 minutes. I mean, it's not like these are high-leverage games. These games have been, you know, simulations it feels like for a bunch of years now as we, you know, sit there and wait the clock and hope we get lucky in a lottery.

You know, it's a weird league, man. You know, when you got a third of the league that really doesn't want to win, I don't know. I don't blame the commissioner for trying to push all these buttons to motivate people and franchises. Yeah, and I think your point is a good one. And Dawkins came on with me a couple of weeks ago and emphasized this point. He said, our young guys have to start playing meaningful basketball because that's a real real. development issue when, you know, the opponents coming into town thinking that, you know, you're tanking and they're not playing their best players. And if they are, they, you know,

they're 20, you know, they're 18 point favorites anyway. There's no standings watching because there's nothing at stake. And so hopefully they at least get into that next year. All right, let's switch to football. Let's go chronologically here. Who of their own free agents, the 29 or so that are left after, you know, Wiley, Tressway, Allegrae got extended. Who do you want them to keep? Who do you think they'll keep? That's a good question. Right now, I would say I would like to see them.

I would like to see them keep the quarterback, Marcus Mariotte. I think that's important because if you don't keep them, then what are you doing, right? Are you out chasing somebody else's backup? You have to make a trade. do you trust Josh Johnson to be that person? I know does Jeff Terescoe move the needle for you? I don't think so. Hopefully, again, that's a person that will never play.

But I do think he's shown some value for you in terms of what he brought to the locker room. I still think of that moment where he pulled Jayton Danos up off the field against Atlanta late two seasons ago. Is that important drive? Yeah, I told him to take a deep breath on all that stuff. I still think that was really important. You know, not to sound like Doc Walker,

but when you finish in last place, any of them, you know, or second to last place. You know what I mean? I don't want, but you're going to have to keep some guys, right? You're going to have to keep some players. But I feel like there's fewer this year that I'm as, you know, worried about.

You know, I don't know about the linebacker. I don't think Bobby Wagner is as terrible as everybody else does. You know what I mean? And again, what is he wanted? Do you want to go play somewhere chase a ring? Which is mad at him? If he said, of course, not, I could do that. You know, some of the guys, like, down the roster, you know,

I think there's, I think Rodriguez could have been more valuable than that I skim the damn ball more often last year and some games. I'd like to see him today, but, you know, honestly, looking at their list the other day after they've kind of sorted through the people that kept, you know, could you bring Jeremy McNichols back and, you know, be part of the rotation, sure, that's fine. But honestly, I'm not losing sleepover much of it. Chris Paul, it just really depends on the money, right? Like how much that's going to cost you. I think Debo, like the problem with Debo for me is I don't think he's a true too

and, you know, with this offense that they're going to be running, I don't know if he's got the value that he had maybe last year in Kingsbury's offense. So I wouldn't be as worried about him. But yeah, I mean, honestly, I know they're going to keep some of these guys, but, you know, outside of Marioita right now, and I think Wagner's interesting. I'm not really, I wouldn't say I was really stressed out about a lot of them.

What do you want them to get in free agency? Well, they need pass rush help. Yeah, they need pass rush help. They need help at corner. They need a number two receiver, whether that is, you know, in the draft or in free agency, it remains to be seen. But I just think they need to get better there. I don't know if you blow your whole, not your whole, you know, cap space, but a lot of your

cap space on Trey Hendrickson. I don't know if that makes sense. I think, you know, Durante Jones with his background and where he's coming, coming from, obviously, you saw today with the Viking may or may not be doing with Renard. So, I mean, I think that's interesting. Because again, two years ago, this guy, you know, three years ago, he had a great

season, two years ago had a really good season last year. He was injured, missed some games, wasn't as good, obviously. You know, Gerrante Jones got a lot better take on that than any of us because he was in the locker room with the guy and, you know, the film room with him. So I think that's interesting of the cheap. I don't know. I mean, they've got so many holes in July. You just can't go too crazy money-wise with like

one or two or three guys, right? because there's still a lot of, there's going to be some bargain shopping here at some point that's going to have to take place. You're not going to be able to just go, okay, we're getting the, you know, like the old days, you know, gas up Redskins won and grab the top three named players

in the free agent board and let's go, you know. What do you want at number seven? Let me tell you some. Number seven, okay, two months ago, I was like, defense, defense, defense. Still not saying I'm not defense. defense, defense. But I've got to be honest, especially now with what they've done, a coordinator,

and everybody's telling me that David Blow is going to be running the Detroit Lions offense, you know, or Chicago Bears this year. And I look at that running back from Notre Dame, and I'm like, oh, my God, Jeremiah Love, you know, he is, he's that guy. He's one of those few guys that I would say positional value out the window, top 10. I don't, you know, I kind of fell in the Shanahan trap for years, Kevin, and I've been. kind of do, I guess. You can find running backs, you know, you can do okay. You know, you can grab somebody,

you know, it's not going to be the end of the world. But let's be honest, Mike Shanahan's life was ever easier than when he had Cheryl Davis, right? Yeah. And obviously, Kyle Shanahan's life's been easier with Christian McCaffrey. I look at Atlanta and with Bejohn Robinson does it. Jimere Gibbs in Detroit, and I still, you know,

think Commander fans should, you know, thank their lucky stars every year that Ben Johnson, for whatever reason, and wanted his wide receiver to throw a pass. It said he'd hand to the ball to Jemir gives that playoff game, and how stupid that was. But, yeah, I mean, that guy, to me, he changes a lot of things for your offense,

makes everybody's life easier an offensive if he's just on the field. So it's interesting if they get to the point where there's not one of the top end-pass rushers there, and I'm not scared of the arm-length of Ruben Bain. I don't, I mean, watch that guy. He's powerful. His hands are strong. He runs, he's physical.

He actually plays a run. I don't think this 32 versus 30 and you know 7 eighths is that big of a deal but what the hell do I know I don't do this for a living like those guys do but it just seems kind of nitpicky to me but

that all being said yeah I mean you know David Bailey's there sunny style is interesting although again he probably not a positional value guy right because he's a traditional linebacker right Caleb down all those guys are interesting but you know about David Bailey's there that would be tough to pass up in vain if you

if you don't again what do they do for agency, right? If they don't get any pass for a shelf at that point, you kind of have to do it, you'd feel like you're going to have to do it with a draft. But if you're a best player available and somebody that doesn't move in front of you to take, Jeremiah, I love, it's going to be hard to say no to that. All right. Last one. How far away do you think this team is from 10 wins in a playoff berth? It could be this season. I mean, you know how the NFL is? It literally could be this season. I mean, teams flip it around quickly. in the league. Now, the real question is

how far is it from being consistently like Philadelphia, right? Or, you know, Buffalo or, you know, what Baltimore was before last year and those type of teams. That's what I think. That's what I'm kind of looking at with this team. It's not just hey, you know, we can get to 10

wins and then, you know, be back here, you know, a year from now saying, oh, well, they did it because they played a last play schedule or second a last place schedule and all this kind of stuff. That's what the challenging thing is, but I think they can make up a lot of ground on the office. I think there's some things, obviously, internally that they feel like they drop a ball on last year. I think this way you have two brand new coordinators as well.

So look, you have a good offseason. You could be in the thick of it next year. I'm not saying you're going to necessarily win the division, but you could certainly be in the wildcard hunt. But again, it's a crazy league. The Bears, again, where they were to first place last year. You know, Seattle was just on the outside looking at any year ago. They're the Super Bowl champs.

You know, so it can be flipped around. You know this. So you've seen it enough, especially in the NFC's. completely agree. What game are you doing next? Do you have any more games that you're calling? I am. I've done now for the foreseeable future with, you know, probably the next game we'll do is whatever O'DU football opener is going to be able to. Is it in Norfolk State or Hampton this year? I can't remember now. So yeah. But you did some college basketball games on ESPN Plus. Yeah, well, I did the whole ODIU home schedule this year. It was a rough year. But yeah, we did

those. A lot of Sunsball basketball, did football as well for the university. So yeah, I do all that kind of stuff. And yeah, look for it. It's a lot of fun. I love, you know, play by play is great. It's great. It's fun. It's a lot. It's so spontaneous. And what happens you ever get to see something crazy every once in a while. And, you know, football season was great, basketball season, not so much. All right. Thanks for doing this. Good to catch up. All right. Great talking. Kevin. Take care. Scott Jackson, everybody. That'll do it for the day. Zab's going to join me on tomorrow's show.