The Kevin Sheehan Show - Gushing After A Loss?

Episode Date: October 16, 2024

Kevin and Thom today with still lots of follow-up to the Commanders' loss in Baltimore on Sunday. Plenty on what's ahead as well. The boys talked Jets-Bills and New York's acquisition of Davante Adams. They also discussed Jerry Jones lashing out on a Dallas radio show. Some MLB Playoffs, DC as a future Super Bowl host, and 30 years ago, Pulp Fiction was released. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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86690 Nation or head to Window Nation. com. Tommy was in Baltimore on Sunday. We'll get to that here momentarily. We got this, Tommy, from Let It Go 900. He gave us five stars on Apple. And he titled his review, second review?

And he writes, I wrote a review years ago, but Apple doesn't seem to let us write a second review. It only allows us to edit. So I'm editing just to say again that this show is the go-to show for Commanders Talk. Tom remains great to love the show. Yeah, I don't know if it allows you to write a second review or edit the first one.

I don't know if we get credit for an additional review if you edit the review that you've already done. But all of that helps us, as does, following the podcast on Apple and on Spotify, hit the plus button, hit the follow button. It is a big help when you do that. So, Tommy, how was Baltimore Sunday? Actually, it was pretty good. First of all, I know there's no moral victories, but the commanders won a measure of respect, I think, from everybody in that stadium. Not from everybody in the stadium. From the Baltimore fans that I knew, and certainly the way the Ravens players talked about the commanders, and what I mean commanders, I mean Jaden Daniel, the quarterback, okay?

I think they were very impressed with what they saw, and I think they realized that they were in a real battle that if Washington just had just a little bit more challenge, it could have turned out differently on the defensive side of the ball, at least. So there was a measure of respect that was one. There's still four and two at the top of the NFCE. I mean, a win would have catapulted them to, like we said before the game, Super Bowl conversation. You know, five and one haven't beaten maybe the best team in the league at that point.

but they played them, toe to toe. And with that defense, it's almost like one hand tied behind your back when you do that. And it's all because of the quarterback, Jaden Daniels. So what are they coming out of that game? You're right. We would have been talking Super Bowl contender, MVP, et cetera, for Jaden had they gone in there and beaten Baltimore. What are they coming out of that game?

I think they're still a favorite to the NFC East. I think they are a favorite to the NFC. You know, the Cowboys have that aura of self-destruction that I've spoken about in the past. It's still consuming them. The Eagles seem like a dysfunctional team that may lose their coach from week to week. And that guy, I'm sick of Nick Sirion. Yeah, totally. Yeah.

You know, I mean, totally. At the least of which is, the thing that bothers me the most about him is he was a coward because he showed up at the post-game press conference. With his kids. But three kids in front of him. He came with cover. He was like, cover me, and the wife didn't throw one at him. She said, take them all.

You need him after you behaved like a complete dope chirping at fans at the end of a game in which he won is the head coach. He's an idiot. God. That was cowardly, though. Yeah. It really was. Have you done it before? Have you done it before? Why would I do it? Yeah. You know, I think they're the favorites in the NFC East.

Yeah, I mean, they are currently the favorites in the NFC East, Tommy. they are actually the favorites in the NFC East. They are pretty much across the board. And I mentioned this on the pod yesterday. They are plus 120, plus 125. The Eagles at plus 135, 140. The Cowboys now are like plus 400 plus. They're in utter free fall.

And, you know, it's a combination of two things from an odds maker's standpoint. they recognize that Washington has the best quarterback in the division, the best head coach and staff in the division, and Philadelphia, although extremely talented, which is why they're still keeping Philadelphia very much close in the odds part. Because Philly has, Washington's got Jaden Daniels. He's a massive impact player at the most important. important position on the field. Philly's got a few of them. They've got A.J. Brown. They've got

Sequin Barkley. They've got a guy like Jalen Carter on defense. They're really talented, but there's something wrong there. And so the odds makers recognize that. So it's a combination of best quarterback, best head coach in the division. That means a lot. And then, you know, some of the troubles that certainly the Cowboys are having and the Eagles are perceived to be having. Let me ask you a question. They're the favorite in the NFC East. Do you think they'll win the NFC East? I think they will. I think they'll exceed your whimsical 10-win prediction at the start of the season.

It was. It was whimsical, wasn't it? Yeah, it was whimsical. Okay. I fully admit that. Yeah, I don't know if they're going to exceed it or not. I just know that they're a really good football team right now, with a really good, with a high-level, high-level quarterback who gives them a chance to win in every single game he goes out and starts and plays in.

I feel very good about their staff right now, and, you know, it's the defense, you know, that's the limiting factor. You know, and I think, you know, after this Sunday, if they do beat the Panthers, and, you know, I wouldn't put this in the category of an absolute slam dunk. but it's pretty close to it. But Caroline is capable offensively, and Washington's not that great defensively. But I wonder if they win to get to five and two. I wonder if they will really start to look to be buyers of perhaps a defensive player or two prior to the trade deadline.

We saw a big movement today. You had Devante Adams go to the Jets to reunite with Aaron Rogers, Amari Cooper. to the bills, would Washington be a buyer? Let me just tell you, and I'll just answer the question quickly from my standpoint. If they are buyers, it should be on defense. That's number one. Number two is there's so much we won't know about these players and whether or not

they'll fit into the culture that Adam Peters and Dan Quinn are building. I don't think that they are going to risk culture, you know, the long-term plan to build an identity, you know, with the secret sauce on Tell the Truth Mondays. I think that, you know, for an opportunity to win, let's just say, a playoff game or a second playoff game this year. So we don't, we won't know about the people. We won't know about Hassan Reddick and what they think of him as a person. You know, we won't know about, you know, a corner or two or an Adjilari in

New York, another one who is, actually the Giants are excellent defensively. I don't think they're going to be I don't think they'll be sellers at the deadline. I still think that team's got some fight in it. We've seen that the last few weeks. But anyway, yeah.

You know, I don't know. I mean, they seem to have such a good thing going. And Adam Peters, You know, I remember, you know, when he said, I like my guys when they didn't really go grocery shopping at the time when teams were cutting players. I would sense they'd be a little bit reluctant about bringing in somebody that might have some questions. Where's the old regime?

They really didn't care if you had a police record and we're getting out of prison. Yeah. They were going to bring in. Yeah. And I don't, I'm not saying that any of the players that they would be looking at would be bad characters. I'm just saying that these are the things we don't know. But if they decided to be buyers at the trade deadline and add a big-time player defensively that could really upgrade what they are defensively, I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. They've got plenty of cap space and they've got some dry powder in the way of draft picks.

So they got that extra third from the Jahan Dotson trade. So, yeah, I mean, look, I think they're going to win the division. I do. I think they're going to win the division. For me, it's going to be a fun, you know, last 11 weeks. You know, the Bears game was just flex to the 425 window on October 27th. I mean, this team is really the focus of not just, you know, people like us locally. I'm talking about nationally.

Nancy Romo will do another, you know, Washington game on October 27th. game gets moved to the double header portion in the 425 window at FedEx at Northwest Stadium against Caleb Williams and the Bears who are playing well. They're four and two as well. Yeah. You know, so they're going to have some of these really interesting games and high profile games. I hope. I hope it doesn't all go away. You know, I hope I'm not sitting here in two months saying, remember how excited we were at four and two and how convinced we were about the quarterback? I don't think we'll be saying that.

But I look at the NFC landscape because, you know, if you win the division, which I think they can do, then you've got one of the top four seeds. I don't see them as better than San Francisco. I don't see them better than Detroit. I probably don't see them better than maybe the second best team in the NFC North. I think it'll be the Packers when all of a sudden done. But they might be right there with the NFC South winner for a three-seed or a four-seed and a chance to win a playoff game. and you got that quarterback, you got a shot.

Yeah, I mean, that's a couple of other things from Baltimore. In the post-game press conference, Dan, Quinn talked about how Dayton Daniels is very comfortable and very secure in those big pressure moments, those spots. And I asked them if the team felt the same way about him, and he basically, he lit up and said, yes, absolutely. I mean, basically, I think it runs through the whole organization.

And he said that that belief was pretty much cemented, not just during games, but in practice, where he showed them the preparation and his skill when he would be tested in moments like those. So, I mean, they,

as euphoric as we are, I think the team feels the same way about their quarterback. Yeah, I went back and I talked a little bit about this on yesterday's show, but I went back and watched the game, you know, on the All-22. Trust me, you're not going to get me to post videos and break down the play on social media, which it seems like everybody wants to do these days, bless their hearts. most of them have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. But the people that played the game, some of those are good. You won't get me to do that. But it is cool if you have the All-22 to see things like, you know, from a fan standpoint

that you can't see when you're watching the game on television. You can see it when you're at the game, but then again, when you're at the game, you miss a lot from what you would get on television. There's that give up too. but I think his game on Sunday may have been his best game of the year. He made some throws that were just so good. And I emphasized this on the Sunday night kind of post-game show that I did and on yesterday's show, Tommy. What's most impressive about what he did is they were a one-dimensional team,

and they asked him to drop back and throw from the pocket. I actually, in watching him, you know, going through a lot of the throws from the pocket, I actually wrote down a note. I said, he may be better at this than everything else. You know, he may be better at what Tom Brady and Peyton Manning did so well than he is at what Lamar Jackson does well. Or Josh Allen does well. Like, this is not a major revelation. for those that watched him in college?

Because I said all off season, this guy can throw from the pocket. Don't kid yourself. If you've watched him, you know he's more than just an athlete and a playmaker and a guy that can run or a guy that can make plays off schedule. When he had to have it dropping back in the pocket against SEC competition, he delivered. He is smart.

He processes the balls out quickly. He's got great accuracy. I mean, that game Sunday, they basically almost exclusively asked him to do that as a one-dimensional team, and he did it. Some of the throws he made were just so good, so good. I mean, that touchdown passed to Terry McClure in the first one, I mean, his ability to put the ball where nobody else can catch it, but the receiver, it's just amazing. It was the only place McCloryn could have caught it. And it's funny because, you know, I've been praising,

I was praising Jayden on social media, and I got some pushback saying, you know, don't forget about Terry McClorin, too. And, look, it was a great catch. Okay, I'm not saying that. But they've been a losing team. They've been a lousy team with Terry McLaren since he's pretty much been here. He's not the difference maker. He's very good, but he's not what's different about this team now.

No, but I am happy for him because he's, finally has a quarterback, and we've all wondered what it would look like with a quarterback. And he was really good on Sunday, really good. Now, am I going to sit here and tell you that I've changed my mind on Terry McClure and that I think he's Jamar Chase, or I think that he's Justin Jefferson or, you know, or even a, you know, an AJ Brown. No, I don't think that. But he's a solid, very good number one wide receiver. and he's finally got a quarterback that can do that.

He had a great game Sunday. He made multiple contested catches. He was outstanding on Sunday. And then you go back to that Cleveland game and he had that over the shoulder, you know, 66-yard, you know, catch. So I love what Terry's doing. I love what Noah Brown's doing. I actually think, you know, even if Devante Adams were available or Amari Cooper were

available and T. Higgins might be available, although I don't. doubt it. I would think Cincinnati feels like they can still turn their season around, and they have such a great duo in Chase and Higgins. But I'm okay with what they have offensively. The quarterback is making and elevating everything. Go get defense. But what he was on Sunday was the traditional in the pocket have to deliver on medium distances, longer distances, with his arm, on time, processing, post-snap, you know, understanding what he's seeing, pre-snap, getting it out, getting it there accurately, getting it there so that, you know, it's not in harm's way, getting it there so if it's there and there's a chance to pick up yards after the

catch, they can do that. He was really, really outstanding. Yeah, and he had no help in the rushing game. I think the team rushed for 52 yards, I think he had 30 of them. Well, they weren't trying to rush. You know, without Brian Robinson, Jr. That's what I mean. They weren't trying to rush without Brian Robinson, Jr. If they had a healthy Brian Robinson, you think they would have been a different outcome?

I don't. I got into a debate with a few people on the air yesterday about this. I'm not so sure their game plan would have been significantly different with Brian Robinson, Jr. I think they went in understanding Baltimore is number one. one in the league in run defense, they're really bad behind their run defense. And we think we got a quarterback that can handle that part two, even if we're one-dimensional. I know, but if the Ravens, if the Ravens did not have to worry about Brian Robinson, then, I mean, I think that helps the defense. I think, I think they'd have to at least be more

honest if Brian Robinson back there. Yeah. Well, I mean, they didn't have to be honest, Brian Robinson, Jr. wasn't back there, and they still couldn't stop Washington. So I think... From rushing, I mean. Yeah, no, I mean, Washington didn't try to rush the ball. When they did, it didn't go well. And I just think even if Brian Robinson, Jr. had been there, I think that they wouldn't have run the ball very successfully. Maybe they would have tried harder to run the football.

But I think that Cliff had an idea that this is going to be the way to move the football. And let me just say this because I know I've said this plenty of times in the past. I don't care how you move the football if you're able to move the football and score points. Like I just am not tied to got to run the football, got to impose your will, got to win the line of scrimmage and dominate and run it 50 times. I like that football. Don't get me wrong. I think there is a benefit to playing football that way when you can play football that way,

because I think you do in many ways psychologically take the will out of the opposing team because it's more of a physical dominance. But if you're banging your head up against the wall trying to run the football and you're punting after three plays because of it, that's not very smart. And, you know, the Patriots are the perfect example. Andy Reid, the perfect example, every team he's coached. They do on that Sunday whatever they think is the best thing to move the football and score points. Sometimes it's throwing it 50 times and not running it.

Sometimes it's running it 40 times and barely throwing it. And I prefer my team to be that kind of team. And I think they went in Sunday and they said, you know, more so without Brian Robinson, Jr. than with him. Okay, I can see that. But I think even with him, they understood that it was going to be hard to run against Travis Jones. It was going to be hard to run against Madibouquet. That this is what Baltimore did well. And so we were going to have to throw the football.

But that's my point about why I'm so impressed with what Jaden did is he did it with his buy-in from the coaching staff to say, they know we're going to throw it. It's the way we're going to move the football, but we have trust in you anyway. And he delivered, you know? They scored on five of nine drives. Could have been six had they kicked the field goal at the end of the first half, and they were right there in the game because of him and what he did.

And let me just say one other thing about the game. Raven fans really, I mean, Commander's fans really showed up. They had a real strong presence in the stands. I walked around the stadium before the game, walked through the Ravens Walk, where they have all the various vendors and bands and stuff like that outside the stadium. It saw a lot of number five Jane Daniels jersey around there. So Washington fans made their presence felt in the stadium. Yeah, I had a friend of mine that I really trust on these things. He goes to every home game, and he was there in Baltimore.

He said at least 20% Washington fans. at least. Yeah. So that's impressive. I think that's a conservative estimate. Yeah. What did you think of how, you know, limited they were defensively and what that means?

Oh, well, I mean, I think I think that means that, you know, you're going to see a lot of high-scoring games down the line. I mean, you're going to see, I think the quarterback is going to have to win a lot of games for them. I think he can, but I think that's the way they're going to have to win, is by putting a lot of points on the board because they can't really stop anybody. Your defensive backfield is in shambles.

And, you know, I mean, they don't play. There's two number one defensive draft choices from the past three years. They don't even dress them on Sunday. Now, supposedly, I think Quinn, that they didn't dress Forbes because they had a different personnel set up. I don't know what the deal was with that. Yeah, the Ravens played a lot of, you know, 12 and 13, you know, heavy, tight-end sets, and they're big and strong, and he felt like they needed, you know, more bulk up front.

I personally think it's more than that because they knew what, they knew how they were going to play the Ravens. they were going to sell out to stop the run. They had eight in the box for a lot of that game, and they were going to play man coverage behind that and say, Lamar beat us with your arm, and they should have had Forbes out there. He's the one corner that can run,

and Zay Flowers absolutely just torched everybody that tried to cover him in the first half. I didn't mind the defensive game plan. I think that was the better way to go, but good God, Lamar Jackson is playing at a ridiculous level right now. Now, two more things about the defense. First of all, look, I know Jonathan Allen has not had a particularly great season, but a bad defense can't afford a loss of Jonathan Allen.

It's not a good development. Jonathan Allen out for the year now with his injury. It happens to be a place where they do have some depth, right, on the defensive line there, the interior of the line. Yeah, when they drafted Johnny Newton, everybody said, what are you doing? Well, you take the best player because injuries happen. And I think that there's a lot of confidence that he will be a very good player, whether or not that's going to happen here over the final 11 games of his rookie year.

Who knows, he's gotten better. Phil Mathis, number 98, is played better. Yes, yes, yes. So they have some depth, but, you know, you don't like to lose Jonathan Allen for a defense that's already. limited. And the other thing of getting back to Forbes, you know, if this defense is going to contribute in these games, given their limitations, they've got to get the turnover. They've got to create the turnovers. It's like the 83 Redskins team that, you know, while they've gone to the Super Bowl, scoring a lot of points, giving up a lot of points all year,

but they set an NFL record for turnovers, right? they were plus 42 in the turnover margin. It's an all-time record. It's probably a record that will never, ever be touched. And yes, you're right about the 83 skins. It's funny because I've had these conversations with Doc and Jacoby and Rigo and Thaisman, and they don't remember the defense being, you know, bad. They just remember the turnovers that it created, which is more important.

important than yards allowed. But that defense, the secondary, remember, the nickname was the Pearl Harbor crew. And in part that was because other teams just bombed away at them. You had Anthony Washington, you had Curtis Jordan. You did have Daryl Green in his rookie year, and he chased down Tony Dorset and would later chase down Eric Dickerson. But yeah, they gave up 48 points to the Packers and only lost by one. that's how good they were offensively.

And then eventually they ran out of luck because the Raiders with Marcus Allen and Cliff Branch and Jim Plunkett, you know, they ended up lighting them up in the Raider defense, especially with those corners. That may be the best corner tandem in NFL history. Michael Haynes and Lester Hayes. Seriously, on the same team.

Yeah. With that in mind last Sunday, and I mean, I'm sure, you know, I mean, Joe Witt has talked about the need to get turnovers, you know? Right. Him and what him and Dan Quinn did in Dallas. The main reason, I think, that they drafted for him, and these guys did, the Rivera

did, because he was supposedly good getting turnos, getting the ball. You know, so you think he'd want to have him on the field in that situation. It's a defense that can't afford any losses, and now they've lost Jonathan Allen, and two of their number one draft picks for the past three years, they wouldn't even put them on the field Sunday. Yeah, I mean, every, I mean, we've referenced this so many times, but the Rivera line to Kime about, give me my ring if I leave you with the quarterback in the roster

that ends up winning it without me. I mean, how delusional did he? Was he? It's just the idea of that. I mean, look, defense, The truth is, and Quincy even referenced it, that there was some talent. Like, what was left over and what they kept is talented. Terry McCorn is talented.

Sam Cosmy is a really good player. But Terry McCorin was a Bruce Allen. Well, I understand that. Terry McCorn, John Allen, Duran Payne, we're all here before Ron got here. But in terms of what was left from the last regime, McClorn and Sam Cosmy. and, you know, Brian Robinson, Jr. And, you know, Duran and John have not had good years. There's no doubt about that.

But a guy like Juan Martin is definitely going to be a part of this team's future. You know, he's a good player, you know, special teamers like Jeremy Reeves. But my God, I mean, Rivera. Jeez. You know, it's one thing to talk about, you know, Terry McLaren that way. But the Sam Hal thing, even he knew. That wasn't true. So I don't know why he wanted to say it.

He was just, he was becoming, I think, very insecure at that point. Look, I was thinking about something because we're recording this podcast a little bit later than we thought we would because I had, it's tax day, Tommy. It's those that extend, you know, put their extensions in. October 15th is tax day. So I had a lot to do right when the radio show was over. But anyway, that aside, I was thinking about something driving back to the studio to record this with you today. I was thinking, you know, just everybody's gushing over Jaden Daniels. And by extension, really, where the organization and where the team is right now, what it's going to be in the future.

You know, there are already people talking about, you guys have your guy. You got it right. I mean, you're going to be good for the next decade. You got one of those guys. They're so hard to find, and you guys have it. And the optimism, even in the short term, you know, they're the favorites to win the division. They're getting moved into prime spots. They'll be a team that if they are in the postseason and they are playing the way they're playing now will be a dangerous team.

people will say, okay, Detroit and San Francisco and maybe, you know, a Green Bay, they're more complete teams, but this guy in that offense, I mean, you still got to deal with it. They could outscore you. And I just, this was a bit of the, you know, PTSD kicking in of the last 25 years. I just thought, what if we get to December? Like it's December 22nd was the, is, they play the Eagles at home. And that game isn't what we think it's going to be right now because, you know, the clock struck midnight. And he was really good in a couple games and then really bad in some and was looking more like the typical rookie year up and down. And the defense really was bad.

It turns out we were kind of right. It was really bad. And he wasn't able to overcome it against some teams. that we thought they could. The Steelers' defense was too good for them. They split with the Cowboys and the Eagles. They got upset by somebody like the Titans or the Panthers. You know, they had

a huge game with Kirk at Northwest Field against Atlanta. Well, that's later in the year. But I just was thinking, I was just thinking, what if we just look back and say, oh, my God, we were just so off.

It was so fleeting. You mentioned it's a clock strikes midnight. That's a Cinderella story. Okay? When the clock struck midnight, she had to go home to the two sisters that treated her like dirt. Those sisters are gone and watched. That's true. There's a whole new family.

And after midnight, you know, the good times don't stop anymore. You mean? Okay. When the clock strikes midnight, you can go home to your family, and it's a new family. And they treat you like the human beings. There's no more sisters that make you scrub the floor? I have not been a victim of this franchise PTSD like many have. I've understood it as you have.

But I think I lost so much passion in recent years that I wasn't even able to generate enough to feel that. But I was just thinking about just that idea of the two sisters. And just can you imagine the clock strikes midnight? it's early December. Instead of being 8 and 4, 9 and 5, we're 7 and 7, but have lost 3 in a row. And there's Bruce and Dan waiting for you when you get home. Just two brothers that are ready to whoop your ass. No, look, the reality no longer has to be suspended.

The reality is they have a chance to be a really good franchise like a lot of other NFL franchises do. and can be if they get certain things right. And it certainly would appear right now that they got it right with the quarterback. It's only six games. I'm the most optimistic person about him and have been. But even I realize it's six games and there will be better defenses and more adjustments made. And look, he is still, it's not like he's gained a lot of muscle and strength.

He's still got a skinny frame and he could get banged around. He got banged around on Sunday. You know? Real quickly, one thing I didn't mention yesterday, and I just don't want to lose this thought, I really would prefer that they not run the design quarterback counterplay. I don't like the plays where he ends up in a pile. Scrambling, he's got the chance to get down, he's got a chance to get out of bounds. Zone read, he doesn't have to keep it. If he does keep it, he can get to the sidelines, he can turn it up and slide.

The quarterback counter where you got Biotis, and somebody else kind of leading the way. I just don't like those plays. Kingsbury loves those plays. And by the way, they're not the only team that runs it. You know, Buffalo runs it with Josh Allen. The Eagles run it all the time. The Ravens run it all the time.

I just, with our quarterback that is a slighter build of quarterback, those plays... The same size is Lamar Jackson. Well, Jackson now, yeah, because he lost the weight. Yeah. But Jackson is built differently. He's definitely a stronger, more physical, imposing build. Look, he scored easily and didn't even get touched in that Arizona game on a quarterback

counter. I just, I personally don't love those plays. But look, I had that thought, and I just thought, can you imagine? And I thought to myself, you know, I would never think that way. And typically I've never thought that way. And if I go back and try to put myself 30 years ago, by the way, 30 years ago yesterday, Pulp Fiction Tommy debuted in theaters. Like 30 years ago, I would never, in fact, I'd think the opposite.

Like if they were struggling, I'd be like, it's all right, we're going to look back in December and say, remember, remember when they were two and two and people were concerned? Look at them now. Look at what Joe turned this team into. And that's how you thought for many years. and now you think differently. But it's early in his career,

but like I said, Sunday was really almost, it wasn't a reveal, but God, it was nice to see that he can beat you in a lot of different ways. And Cliff Kingsbury knows it. And Kingsbury, I'm really building some trust in Kingsbury. I always liked him. I wasn't sure how it would work with him just as a coordinator,

but I knew what the college people thought of him. in terms of their respect for his intellect, his exes and O's, his relationships with quarterbacks in particular. They're good on offense, man. They're really good on offense. And as long as he stays upright, knock on wood, I think they're going to be good on offense for a long time to come. I think so, yes.

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north, or maybe some Washington fans will be coming north. Because this football team had a big presence in Carolina for years before the Panthers were there as an expansion team. I mean, George Preston Marshall had built a radio network that stretched all the way down throughout the south up and down the East Coast because there was no competition south of Washington. So the Washington fans, there's a lot of Washington fans in Charlotte and Carolina, they may be able to, they may be making the trek up here.

If you are coming up here, let me tell you, you need to stop at Shelley's back room for a meal and a smoke. A great menu, great cigar selection, great, great atmosphere. And, you know, we've had commanders fans come from across the ocean. And one of the things they did was stop at Shelley. to have a smoke and a meal and raved about it. So if you're coming up to see the game on Sunday, coming up to see the Panthers game on Sunday,

maybe you should have lunch at Shelly's that day. Enjoy a nice cigar before you head out to Northwest Stadium. Shelly's Backroom is at 1331 F Street, northwest of the district. You can find out more at shelley's backroom.com. Tommy, I want to get to this Jerry Jones thing from earlier today, but real quickly on Monday night football, The Jets lost. They put a lot into that game.

That game was wild. It was also painful to watch because the referees decided they were going to call every single penalty they saw and a lot that they didn't see. And it made it hard to watch at the same time. So the Jets trade for Devante Adams. They knew this was coming. Apparently, Devante may have been actually in town as in New York yesterday. So this was going to happen today. I thought the Jets looked a million times better on offense than they have at any point this year.

So the move to Todd Downing from Nathaniel Hackett, at least last night against Buffalo, they were a different offensive football team. They were explosive. The quarterback looked very good. He threw for nearly 300 yards. Now 50 of them were on one of those Hail Marys that Aaron Rogers has become, he's got four. Hail Mary touchdowns in his career. That's crazy. Somebody asked me earlier, do you think that's just luck or there's any skill to it? Well, there is definitely some luck to it, but the skill to it is he's got a gun for an arm,

but he's able to throw that 65-yard pass with so much arc. That thing goes straight up into the air and it gives his guys plenty of time to position So I do think there's some skill in that. Anyway, I thought he was really good last night. I mean, there were four to five drops in that game, and he's still through for nearly 300, and the drops cost them a lot, as did their field goal kicker who missed two chip shot field goals.

Now, Buffalo missed a field goal on an extra point as well. There was a wind blowing. Yeah, there was wind blowing. They had a touchdown on one of the miss field goals that was called back for a total phantom hold. The officiating was bad for both teams. I actually, you know, when I turned that game off last night, I was texting back and forth with my son, who's a big Aaron Rogers guy,

and I'm like, there's no way that team's dead yet. I could be wrong because the whole thing could implode from the inside out, but they've got too much talent, and now that they've added a truly elite receiver, and Garrett Wilson has elite potential, I think the Jets, I think the Bills are going to be glad they won that game last night. I still think the Jets have a shot to turn this thing around. I thought they were a completely different football team last night offensively.

They just... No, I think they're going to implode. I think Aaron Rogers is a destructive force internally. And I just think, you know, them being the Jets, I think they'll self-destruct. They got a ban odor and they got a lunatic. a quarterback. So, no, I think the jets are done. Finished. Very. They may have a lunatic for a quarterback, and that may have something to do with something. I don't know. He was awesome last night, and they dropped multiple passes and the kicker missed two field goals. Now, if you want to say,

you know, and I talked about this earlier on the radio show, like Aaron Rogers was in Egypt during mandatory minicamp and Tom Brady was basically breaking the law during COVID, getting receivers together in a park to throw footballs. There is a bit of a difference between Brady and Rogers and Manning when he got to Denver and Rogers. With that said, he's actually at this age,

I think much better than Peyton was at his age. Their defense let him down a little bit last night. Devante Adams is still elite still. So I'm going to be curious to see if they can turn it around. If there is a lot of, you know, internal issues because

of him or because of Woody Johnson, because that's really the reason for the dysfunction in the jet organization, then you might be right. But if it comes down to they still want to play football and they still want to get better and they haven't bailed on it, I think

that team could be a dangerous team. I think Sunday night's massive for them. They play the Pittsburgh. Steelers on Sunday night football on the road. And then after that, I mean, they got like the Patriots and the Cardinals and the dolphins twice and the Jags. They actually have a chance to turn this thing around. I didn't, I only watched the highlights. I didn't watch the game.

I was busy watching the Dodgers and the Met. I was flipping back and forth, but the Dodgers' Mets game was over when the baseball game, when the football game started. You were watching the Yankees and the Indians during the United States. football. Okay, actually, I was watching the Yankees in these. I spent all day pretty much watching baseball yesterday. And, you know, I'm pulling for the Yankees, even though I'd like to see Lane Thomas get in, you know, former national. But, I mean, I'm like everybody else. I want to see Yankees and the Dodgers in the World Series. I want to see Aaron Judge and show you a Tony. You know, Soto had a big home run last night for them, you know, to help them win.

And tonight I'm going to watch the game too. Yankees Indians game two. Yeah. Not Indians. I know. Okay. Guardians. Garik Holdenite for the Yankees.

By the way, Lindor is unbelievable. He had that home run to lead the game off, which was that that at bat for a first at bat of a game was so dramatic. I don't know how many pitches it was. It was nine or ten pitches. It was great. And then they walked him with two men on to get to Viantos in the second, and he hits a grand slam. I mean, do you know who I had on the radio show today? Do you remember Mike Stanton?

Yeah, a reliever for the Yankees. And he was with the Nationals very briefly. He was with the Nats briefly. He was with the Yankees. He actually pitched for the Braves in the 91 World Series against Minnesota. he was with the Yankees for that stretch when they were winning and participating in World Series. And he was there the night George Bush threw out the first pitch in game three of the 2001 World Series after 9-11. Like I said to him at one point, I'm like, you've actually been in some pretty cool spots over your career. He's like, yep. And I said, tell me about George Bush.

Tell me about being a part of the Yankees' Met Subway series. Tell me about the Kirby Pucket. Tell me about the Game 7 Jack Morris game. You know, he was there for all of it. He pitched in that game seven for the Braves. So what was he on the show for? What's he doing? I just, Denton booked him to talk major league baseball playoffs.

I said, get somebody on because I'm kind of into these playoff games. And you know what was funny? I mean, I'm an idiot. But he's like, we got Mike Stanton. And I said, who's he with? And then, and Denton goes, he played, Denton had no idea. He said, I'm pretty sure he played, but he works for Sirius XM. He's an analyst for Sirius XM. And he's got a podcast. And then right before the show started, I just started to prepare

a little bit for the one guest we had on the show today. And I, by the way, that was not a dig. These days are little inside baseball, it's actually better not to have on radio a lot of guests when you've got all the material that you have with the football team. Because not everybody wants you to divert from that main topic, as we call it in the trade. But anyway, and I'm looking through him like, I remember this guy. I remember him in Washington briefly because those first two years were exciting. For somebody like me who was a born and raised Washingtonian, who was just barely, barely old enough to remember the senators in 71.

And then I just started to look through his entire career. I'm like, God, he pitched 55 innings of postseason ball with like four different teams. But anyway, Lindor's awesome. The Mets seemed to be a team of destiny. Otani was over last night. They did what they wanted to do. They got a split in L.A. Yeah.

Yeah. So here we go. See if the Mets can get it done. I wanted to talk about Jerry Jones real quickly and what happened earlier today on the Dallas radio station that he goes on on a weekly basis. It's 105-3, The Fan. I think it's the broadcast home of the Cowboys in Dallas. But we know that Jerry does a lot of media. Jerry holds a press conference after every game. Jerry does, I think, a weekly media press conference with Cowboy Beat reporters. And Jerry's been going on local

radio for years and doing a weekly hit. I think on Tuesdays. And of course, Today was 48 hours after his team got beat by 38 at home to the Lions. That's the fourth straight home game that the Cowboys have been annihilated in, or at least giving up a lot of points. And he was a little testy today. So I want you to listen to this exchange. The conversation had turned towards what the Cowboys didn't do during the offseason. know that they did not have a good off season.

They didn't spend any money. They didn't get the Dak Prescott and the CD-Lam contracts done early enough so that they could add more talent to the roster. And so the conversation had turned towards that. Here was Jerry speaking to that. Now, if you think I'm interested in on a phone call with you over a radio and sitting here and throwing all the good out with the dishwasher, you have got to be smoking something over there this morning.

I'm not. And I really don't, and I don't even want our listeners to listen to me, but talk about this is not your job. Your job isn't to let me go over all the reasons that I did something, and I'm sorry that I did it. That's not your job. Well, my job is to ask what... Or I'll get another...

I'll get somebody else to ask these questions, man. Jerry, we're just, we're trying to figure out why the team is. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. You're not going to figure out what the team is doing right or wrong. If you are or any five or ten like you, you need to come to this meeting. I'm going to today. There are 32 teams here.

You're geniuses. Oh, Jera. Poor Jerry. I'm sitting there listening to it, Tommy, and I'm thinking to myself, this can't be the first time he's had to do one of these tough, you know, post-loss radio hits. You know, it's not like they've been winning Super Bowls in recent years, but I'll tell you what, 47 to 9 on Sunday, and the way Dan Campbell rubbed it in the Cowboys' faces at the end of the game

and made a mockery of the Cowboys at the end of that game, this guy was not about to let a couple of radio hacks tell him what to do. But in all seriousness, what he said wasn't their job actually is their job. You know, at least part of their job is to ask the questions that fans would want the owner to answer. You know, the job's not a pompom waving job, especially two days after the team completely soiled themselves for a fourth straight home game. But man, he was in no mood for any of it. and he took it out on them. By the way, I say he took it out on these guys.

There will be people listening saying, I mean, he had every right to go after these guys. They shouldn't be asking them those questions. They shouldn't be, they shouldn't be egging them on. Yeah, there are people out there that would say that. That's actually exactly their job is to ask them the questions about the team and why it's struggling. We never had anything like that with Dan, did we? No, that's the thing about Dan.

He was a recluse. He did his, he did his dad. damage from behind closed doors. You know, he wasn't out there. He was very uncomfortable. Remember, Jerry is not uncomfortable with the media. Yeah. But Jerry, very, very, you know, sensitive to criticism right now.

And look, when you have to do that interview weekly with the owner of the team, after one of the most embarrassing losses in franchise history, that's, you know, there is some finesse required, and I think they did handle it with some finesse. Wait a minute. This comes a guy who asked Jim Zorn after he won a game if he was worried about losing his job. I did ask him that.

I did. He was not happy. He was not happy. That was not finesse. I think I did try to soft step it by saying, you know, around here, things. get pretty weird, you know, with what we've gone through over the last 10 years. And I'm just curious, I know you won yesterday, but are you worried that if you don't beat Detroit Sunday,

that might be it. God. Poor Jerry, man. I mean, I say poor Jerry sarcastically. I mean, he totally deserves this. This team is mismanaged from the top down. This is the R of self-destruction. I always said this is the link between Washington and Dallas. Yeah. You know, they share the aura of self-destruction. That aura is gone from Washington. He's smarter than Dan. He also had, you know, not just a fan base, but he's got a congregation.

I mean, it's religion, the Cowboys are. He played college football. Yeah, he did. And they've done a good job with personnel, but they really butcher this offseason. By waiting on DAC and CD-LAM, they missed out on the opportunity to add more players. They thought what they had coming back was good enough. They have no depth to handle the injuries that they've had on defense. Derek Henry wanted to go play in Dallas.

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Northern California 27 it's in Southern California in L.A. And then in 28 it comes to Atlanta. When will Washington host a Super Bowl? Not until they have a stadium with a dome on it. I think

the days of cold weather cities hosting Super Bowls, open air, I think they're done. I think they dodged a bullet. I think they think when they had it in New York at the Meadowlands with the possibility of bad weather. So I don't think, unless they build a new stadium with a dome on it, it's never going to happen. Right. Well,

let's just, let's say that it's a retractable roof and it opens in 2030, okay, in Landover, because that's where you think it's going to be. Very optimistic. Okay, 2031, in Landover, which is where you think it's going to be. I still think, and I think I would still wager on but I understand the path of least resistance, as you've discussed for many years now. Will they get a Super Bowl with a new stadium, retractable roof? Yeah. Yeah, I think they'll get it. There's nothing that would block them from getting a Super Bowl at this point.

You know, there's no congressional investigations anymore or anything like that, you know? Wouldn't that be exciting? So, yeah, I think they get a Super Bowl. Wouldn't that be? It would be exciting, yes. it would be exciting. But I know for B, right, well, I guess, yeah, it would be exciting if what would really be exciting if Washington got to the Super Bowl while they hosted the Super Bowl.

Well, yeah. Yeah. That would be off the chart. When did that happen? It would be exciting. When did that happen? Did Tampa play in Tampa for their Super Bowl? I think they did.

Isn't that the one time it happened or am I thinking of Or did L.A. win the Super Bowl at Sofi. The Rams won the Super Bowl at Sofi, right? I don't recall. I am going to look it up. I am going to look it up. Here we go. The Chiefs, Chiefs,

yeah, Rams at Sofi in 2020. Okay. Yep. And Tampa in Tampa the year before. How about that? Two straight years of the hometown team winning the Super Bowl. Had forgotten about that, but not really. So one last thing. We're both Tarantino fans, right? Yes.

30 years ago yesterday, Pulp Fiction, do you remember when you saw it for the first time? Yeah, I saw it. Even though it came out in October, for some reason I didn't see it in the theaters until the spring of the next I thought of spring training with a couple of other baseball writers down Florida.

And I really didn't know what to expect. Had you seen Reservoir Dogs? No. Oh, you hadn't. Okay. At that point. So I didn't know what to expect. It was really surprised and really enjoyed it a lot,

but my favorite Tarantino movie is still Jackie Brown. Yeah, you've always said that. I think came after that, which I think it's one of the only one that he ever did, that he did, it was not based on his story. That was based on an Elmore Leonard book, Jackie Brown. Were they kill bills before Jackie Brown or vice versa?

No, they were after. They were after, I think. I don't remember. I remember seeing it right when it came out. I think I saw it at the Uptown. But when I say I saw it when it came out, that meant it was October of 1994. And I remember a really good friend of mine, one of my best friends from high school, was actually back in town because his parents lived here.

He lives and still does in Northern California. And we both loved Reservoir Dogs. And it opened up and we're like, let's go see it. And I remember leaving the theater going, that's either the greatest movie I've ever seen or I'm going to have to watch it again to really understand it. Because it was so. I never feel in that way, too. Yeah. And I have to watch it again.

Yeah. I wasn't prepared for it, but I knew I enjoyed it, and then when the second time I watched it, I knew it was great. Right. Your phone is getting distorted here at the end. So we'll wrap this up. I will just say this. Jackie Brown's nowhere near my top. I've told you this before. Inglorious Bastards would be one for me, and I think now once upon a time in Hollywood is number two, but pulp is right there at number three for Tarantino movies. That's my top three.

great movie brilliant performances the reemergence remember Tommy of john Travolta we hadn't seen him since Saturday night fever or Greece pretty much uh all right anything else from you nothing for you boss all right you know I'm going to tell you this right now and we can explain it on the next show but thank you okay you're welcome you know what I'm thanking you for yes I All right, I'll talk to you on Thursday. We'll get Tommy's prediction for the Panther game. I'll be back tomorrow.