The Kevin Sheehan Show - I Want Antonio Brown Here!

Episode Date: November 8, 2019

The show had a lot today. Raiders-Chargers recap. Deion Sanders to Florida State? Antonio Brown to the Redskins? Kevin now wants to see it. Who's the best QB never to go to a Super Bowl. Kevin and Aaron discussed and Kevin had something loud wrong during the entire conversation. With the Skins on their bye week, what has been the best and worst thing about the season so far. Kevin brought Mike Jones/USA Today on the show to talk about Mike's Trent Williams story. Kevin and Aaron had an LSU-Bama pick and Kevin had 12 Smell Test picks too. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. I'm here. Aaron is here. Mike Jones from USA today will be our guest. He's got a story out this morning on Trent Williams with a bunch of quotes from Trent. We're going to catch up with Mike, a good friend, and one of my favorites. He'll join us in a little bit. Lots of stuff to talk about. Starting really with the NFL game last night. And I'll start with this. It's the best uniform combination you can see. in the NFL. You know, the throwback Raider uniforms with the silver numbers, white jersey silver numbers, I love. And then of course the powder blue charger uniforms, the best uniform

in all of the NFL. All of sports. I'll go with that too. And it was a really good game. Yeah. Excellent football game last night. I missed the first half because I was taping that Redskinned Showtime show that I do for Channel 4 that air Sunday

at 1130. Last night, Clinton was off. So it was Mike Jones, who will be with us shortly, John Kime, George Wallace, and yours truly. We always have a fun time on that show. But I missed the first half of the Thursday night game. Several of you tweeting me, your boy Philip Rivers, he's sorry, he's done. I guess he threw two picks in the first half. He looked really, really terrible early on. But they came back. They had an 80-yard drive in the fourth quarter to take the lead on a pass, a third and goal, I think, passed to Austin Neckler to give them a 24 to 20 lead. And then they couldn't stop the Raiders.

10 plays 75 yards for them over the final three minutes. And Josh Jacobs, a candidate for the offensive rookie of the year, the back from Alabama, had a third and one 18-yard run for a touchdown. And the Chargers, they missed the extra point. The Chargers got it back. Had plenty of time. All timeouts left. And they could not get into field goal range.

They barely budged. In fact, they ran on that final. final drive, they ran seven plays for five yards total of offense. They got a fourth down defense of hold, which gave them a new first and 10 from their own 30. And, you know, in this day and age in the NFL, when you get the ball back with that much time, and by the way, Gruden made a gruden-esque, you know, family Gruden-esque clock management error of the highest order, which I'll get to here in a moment. But in the NFL, when you get a team down two or three, in this case it was two because of the missed extra point.

And they're starting at their own 25-yard line with a minute left and three timeouts. I would bet you that it's better than 50-50 that they'll win the game more times than not. Almost any team. But especially a team quarterback by Philip Rivers with Keenan Allen and Austin Echler and Melvin Gordon on the team. They gained five yards on seven plays and the five yards they gained were on a penned. penalty. Philip Rivers on that final drive was 0 for 8. That's pretty hard to do in this day and age in the NFL. Now, he was getting pressured on a lot of those plays, and he just missed a couple of guys, but

0 for 8 Rivers was on that final drive. That's not Philip Rivers like. I just love Rivers. I've always loved Rivers. I consider Rivers along with Marino in that, you know, on that list of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the game not to win a Super Bowl, you know, Super Bowl era quarterbacks. Marino's number one. You know, Marino is number one. Now, Marino got to a Super Bowl. Rivers would probably be on the short list of quarterbacks, all-time quarterbacks that didn't even make a Super Bowl. You know, I'm just thinking off the top of my head, other quarterbacks that would be on You know, Dan Fouts and other Chargers quarterback never made a Super Bowl. I can't really come up with the list right now off the top of my head.

But Rivers is up there, right? Rivers is up there. Rivers is a Hall of Famer, in my opinion. Some of you argue that with me on occasion. I'll bet you any amount of money that Philip Rivers ends up in the Hall of Fame. But in terms of quarterbacks who have never made it to the Super Bowl, Fouts, Rivers, Um, Romo? No. I don't know why.

I don't even know why I came up with the Romo there. I wouldn't put Romo on that list. Man, that's actually an interesting question. I'm sort of going blank here. So I've got to pull up the standings and look through various quarterbacks. Steelers. No. Ken Anderson is one of the all-time great.

quarterbacks that never made it to a Super Bowl. Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham. Warren Moon's on that list. I don't know if I'd put Randall on that list. I'd put Bernie Kozar on that list among the great quarterbacks to never make a Super Bowl. Sunny? Well, Sunny, of course.

Yes. Yeah, thank you. But, you know, I'm really thinking more in sort of the post-merger era. And Sunny's career primarily in terms of the real production of his career was pre-merger. Eagles. Randall Cunningham. Interesting. Yeah, whatever.

You know, we could do this another day. I just try to think off the top of my head. But Rivers is at the time. Rivers is way up there on that list. Yes. Along with a former charger great. Yeah, I just pulled up a list. Oh, you did?

They had, the names are like Mark. Brunel. There's not a lot of... Read me the list real quickly. I just... Because it isn't an easy list to come up with. I mean, I think I just came up with a bunch of them. Yeah, so they have it as Fouts number one. Fouts is? Yeah. Moran Moon number two, sunny number three, Randall number four, Bernie Kossler, number five. Mark Brunel, number six. Dave Krieg, number seven. Dave Craig, yeah. Seattle's quarterback. Yeah, Philip Rivers, number eight, John Brody, number nine, and Jim Hart number ten. Okay. I can't see personally Dave Craig being on that list.

Cozars are a really good one. Philip Rivers would be further up that list for me. Is Ken Anderson? Did you say Ken Anderson? Ken Anderson? It was not on this. I just realized this list is also from 2013, so that probably found Harrison as well. Yeah, because Rivers has got to be much higher up on that list now. I think it was Sunny, obviously, but again, I was thinking more sort of post-merger. Sonny had a, you know, in 70, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74 was his final year. But, you know, at best, he was splitting time, even though he had some great games. Here we go.

I found one from ESPN from earlier this year, actually. Okay. They have Philip Rivers number one. Okay. Warren Moon number two. Dan Fouts number three. Tony Romo number four. Romo is on the list.

You know what? He probably deserves to be on the list. Jim Hart number five. Jim Everett number six. Oh, come on. Everett? Jeff Garcia, number seven. You know what? Garcia had a lot of production. Yeah. They have Jay Cutler number eight.

And then Randall Cunningham number nine and Jeff Blake number 10. Warren Moon is very near the top of that list. Sunny, what was your number 10? The number 10 I just said was it was Jeff Blake. Jeff Blake? Really? Jeff Blake? He had a long, didn't he have a long career? Yeah, he was in the league from 92 to 05. Jim Hart, you know, the Cardinals quarterback.

By the way, he was the backup quarterback here in 1984, I believe maybe it was the 85 season behind Joe Thysman. Jim Hart was a great 1970s quarterback. He really was a great. And the Cardinals had some really good teams with Terry Metcalf and Jim Otis and Mel Gray and a really good offensive line with the likes of Conrad Dobler, et cetera. But Cutler? Nah, Everett, no way. Moon, yes. I guess Cunningham, you know, on that list,

I think probably he deserves to be on that list. He deserves to be on that list. Not on that one, no. Ken Anderson's got to be on that list. Yeah, Ken Anderson's got to be on that list. Ken Anderson was one of the more productive and high-efficiency quarterbacks. He was had, Ken Anderson, I'm going to look this up. His career in terms of completion percentage,

he was way ahead of his day with high completion percentages. I'm going to pull this up right here. Ken Anderson, right, played his entire career in Cincinnati, had a 16-year career. Listen to some of these completion percentages. In 1974, 64.9 percent, that was unheard of for back then. 64.9 percent would be really good for today, but he was doing it in 74.4. He was over 60% in 75. 70.6% in 1982.

That record held up until I think Drew Brees a few years ago beat it. I think it was Breeze who beat it. He was 66.7 in completion percentage in 83. And by the way, the Bengals in 82 and 83, high scoring team. Ken Anderson was a really good all-time quarterback. his career started in 1971 in Cincinnati, finished in 1986. He's always debated, by the way, as a guy that should be in the Hall of Fame, he's not. In the era of not passing the football with very tough rules,

allowing the defense to basically mug receivers for most of his career, 97 touchdowns, 160 interceptions. He'd be way up on that list for me. Oh, the problem with it? My fault. Duh. I'm an idiot. And probably you guys were screaming this the whole time. Ken Anderson made it to a Super Bowl. He lost to the 49ers.

I'm just thinking about it right now. He, in 1981, in the 81 season, the Bengals made it to the Super Bowl, lost to the 49ers, 2621. That was the first Walsh Super Bowl. and the Bengals that year played in that outdoor frigid game at Riverfront against the Chargers in the minus 59 below game. That was really a long effort to try to convince you that Ken Anderson should be on a list, but he shouldn't be on the list because he actually made it to a Super Bowl. My fault, sorry for the delay there.

Last night's game was awesome. It was an awesome game last night. And I think for all intents and purposes, it ended the Chargers hope. You know, they're only four and six. I guess they could go 10 and 6, theoretically. Their schedule, though, they've got the Chiefs next in Mexico City. They still have games against the Vikings, another one with the Raiders, another one with the Chiefs. You know, I guess they sort of control their own fate if they were to win out and go 10 and 6.

They really needed that game last night, and they didn't come through there late. But I thought that was a good football game, certainly the second half part of the game that watched. A couple of other things real quickly. And this is not a Friday where we've got a lot of Redskins, but we have the Trent Williams report from Mike Jones. I got a couple of other things Redskins related as well. But how about this report from Ian Rappaport late last night? Did you see this that Dion Sanders is a candidate to be the Florida State head coach? I love it. Oh, I do too. Just from a sheer entertainment standpoint, God, I'd love to see what a Dion Sanders-led football program would look like.

I completely agree with that. Here's the report from Ian Rappapapapapopopopopopop port, which is the way Zababot every day for Ian Rappaport. I didn't just stutter through that. Rapaport, by the way, you know, he's good, he's active, he's not always right, though. But he gets a lot of it right. Those guys, they have a tough job. To me, I sort of appreciate the guys that will just wing it and throw it out there

and be 80% sure and just roll the dice. Because ultimately, you know what, most people don't remember that they were wrong. They remember their big gets. I don't know. Maybe you remember their big misses. I remember Rappaport's big miss. Do you remember the Rappaport big miss when he reported

that the Redskins were going to trade for Tony Romo, that they were going to offer like it was like, I forget exactly what was involved, but it was like a first round pick, a second round pick and a key player for Romo coming off back surgery. and I'm like, are you out of your mind? Obviously, that didn't happen. But anyway, here's what he reported about Dion last night.

NFL network analyst and Hall of Famer, Dion Sanders, has emerged as a candidate for the Florida State head coaching job sources tell me and Mike Garifolo from the NFL network, a fascinating situation that could unfold. You know, Dion has zero coaching experience, head coaching experience, zero coaching experience altogether. He's never coached a position group in college or the college. NFL. He hasn't played in the NFL now since 2006. He finished his career in Baltimore in 2006.

You know, by the way, if you miss this, the reason that people are talking about him for the Florida State job is they fired Willie Taggart last week. Taggert, by the way, they paid off $18 million of his remaining deal. Like here is a university. They're losing money in their football program the last year it was reported. Last year was their first losing season since 1976 in Taggart's return. And they just said, yeah, Willie, we don't really like you anymore.

We owe you $18 million. We made a few calls. Here it is. And they paid them off. That is quite the golden parachute. You know, you coach for a year and a half and you get $18 million to leave. Anyway, imagine prime time as the head coach at Florida State. it would be so entertaining, so entertaining. By the way, the other thing about them,

they have fallen so far in such short order. And it's ruined the ACC because the ACC needs other programs to be competitive. They don't have any other than Clemson. I don't know if we've talked about the Orange Bowl catastrophe on this show yet, on this show. Because they have a guaranteed spot in Clemson's in the playoffs. Yeah. So who would go? Right now it would be like Wake Forest or Virginia.

I kind of feel like we've seen Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl before, haven't we? Yeah, a while back, but yeah. Like it would be like a Virginia or someone like that right now. Wake is 7 and 1. They lost to Louisville. It would be Wake as of now, but who knows? How would it be Wake? They wouldn't play in the ACC Championship game.

They don't have to necessarily take whoever plays in the ACC Championship game. Oh. So if Clemson beats, say, Virginia and Wake only had, well, Wake's going to have two losses because they're going to play Clemson. Right. So let's say they have two losses. They could take Wake. Wow. The ACC's horrible.

Yes. Miami's really good on defense. And I think Pitt's really well coached. Narduzzi does a really good job. You know, Pitt right now is six in three. They lost to Miami 16 to 12. I don't know how that happened. They played Penn State really tough early and they got blown out by UVA.

in the opener. Anyway, why are we talking ACC football? Prime time! Prime time at Florida State. I want to see that. And now I've decided I want to see something else, too. Do you follow this Antonio Brown story yesterday? Yes. So Antonio Brown, it was reported

early in the day that the NFL was going to sit down with Antonio Brown next week. And then Antonio Brown went off on Twitter. He wrote, quote, imagine conforming to a system giving it 100% to see them treat me like this is unfairly. I think he struggles a little bit with punctuation, for one,

words, grammar, verb conjugation, lots of stuff that A.B. struggles with in his tweets. Making money off my sweat and blood, F the NFL, I'll never play in that S. Treat black people the worst. clear my name and go F yourself. That was him early in the day after it was announced that he was going to meet with the NFL next week. And then he backtracked later on. And then he had this tweet. I'm just very frustrated right now with the false allegations and slander to my name.

I love football and I miss it. I just want to play and I'm very emotional about that. I'm determined to make my way back to the NFL ASAP. That was a much better written tweet. with good punctuation, and I'm guessing that Drew Rosenhouse may have had something to do with that tweet, or maybe Drew Rosenhouse wrote the first one,

and that's really the true A-B. He's got so many issues right now. He's ill. I'm not a doctor, all right? I'm just a keen observer of the human condition, Aaron. I fancy myself to be that. I'm being sarcastic to a certain degree, although I do find it interesting to sort of look at people and try to understand what they are.

He is suffering from something. It's some sort of, you know, bipolar thing. It's some sort of anxiety, depression thing. It is certainly narcissism, you know, textbook narcissism at the highest level. He needs help, like desperate help. But what I did decide in reading his backtracking late last, night and assuming that he's going to meet with the league, that if the league were to clear him to play, and last week, I don't know if you read this, Seattle before they signed Josh

Gordon, they were actually interested in Antonio Brown. I want the Redskins to sign Brown. Definitely. Definitely. How much lower could this thing go? You got seven games left. Imagine A.B. is cleared by the league next week and the Redskins sign him and he suits up to play against the Jets next Sunday. I mean, we need some action. There's no action here. You're just rooting for chaos at this point. I'm rooting for just a reason to watch. And Dwayne Haskins is a reason to watch. And of course, that would be a reason that most of you would say, don't do it. He would ruin Haskins. You know what? If he's going to ruin Haskins, Haskins is going to be ruined anyway. I actually think it would be really interesting to see how Haskins deals with AB.

Wouldn't it be cool if AB comes into the team? And he's not getting the ball in the first half and he blows up on the sidelines. And Haskins dresses him down. Right there on the sideline, there's a shot of it. And he's pointing in AB and he grabs AB's face masks and he says, sit down. I'm the quarterback. That would be kind of cool to see.

No one, no one is going to watch. watch this team. Haskins gives you a reason to watch. I was thinking about this, by the way, a week from Sunday, BTW. Next Sunday could be the worst crowd of them all. There's not going to be a jet contingent more likely than not, except for maybe some of the jet fans that live in the area that are like, oh man, I can get in for $4.00. Like, I can get into that stadium for $4 and have a decent seat, which will be true. Like, if you wait until shortly before kickoff, you'll be able to get into that stadium and maybe get paid to go to the game by the time you get to 1 o'clock next Sunday. But more likely than not, not a lot of jet fans, is Haskins

going to really bring them out to see his first start at home? I doubt it. This could be like a 30,000 person crowd next Sunday. And you know, you need good weather too this time of year. Like if it's cold or rainy. You know, it could be the worst. The Lions game definitely could be awful. That could be truly awful. So I just, on a whim here, I looked at what the ticket prices were already for that game. It's $15 to get in right now on Stubhub.

Yeah, I said four by game by kickoff. And I just checked, granted, this is a little bit different situation, but I checked the Jets Giants game that's this weekend. $120 to get in there for two terrible, terrible team. Who's the home team in that game? Not that it matters. I think it's technically the Jets. Okay. Look, they have the Jets, the Lions, the Eagles, and the Giants, or their four remaining games.

That Eagle game right now, if the Eagles are in the hunt for the playoffs in December 15th, I think it is, that'll be like the finishing game last year. It'll be all Eagle fans. The Lion game probably out of the four, just because of the New Yorkers that live in D.C., jet giant fans, even though both teams are terrible. Lions game is the one that has the potential to end up with like 15 to 25,000 in the crowd. Something like that. Yeah.

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I was thinking, you know, on the buy week, do a little bit of Redskins here that is not Trent Williams related. And the subject is this. You know, we're sitting here at the by week, nine games into the season. What has gone well for the Redskins this year on the field? Like take all of the front office stuff, all of the coaching changes stuff, shove it to the side. What's gone well and what's like the worst thing on the field that's happened or the biggest disappointment on the field? For me, Aaron, the thing that, you know, and you're going to think that I'm being flippant here,

and I'm not. Tressway is going to be an all-pro punter this year. He is going to be a Pro Bowl selection. He's going to be an all-pro. He leads the league in punting average. He leads the league in net average. Tressway is really, really good at his job. Gets a lot of opportunities.

I understand that. But also a lot of opportunities to fail. And he's leading the league with 48.4 yards per kick. The net is 43.8. that leads the league as well. Just an impressive guy, too. This is a guy that's really smart. He creates board games.

He's an entrepreneur. He's very creative. I was thinking about Tressway, because you see this in other towns, other football towns. The longtime kicker or punter that's successful, that ends up having a 15-year career or so in the same city, he's going to have a really good professional life,

potentially after he's done here if he stays here. You know, he's a good talker. He's smart. He's engaging. He's got personality. This is now, believe it or not, year six in Washington, you know, out of Oklahoma. Sixth season hasn't kicked anywhere else. There's no way they'll get rid of them, you know, and he's having a great season.

Tressway is the best thing about the on-field product right now for the Redskins. Terry McCorn, I've really enjoyed. I think they actually found something there in the third round. But be careful with going nuts over Terry McClorn at this point because so far in this NFL season, he's 51st in receptions, 57th, excuse me, in receptions, 31st in yardage. You know, it's not like he's killing it, you know, statistically. Of course, a lot of that has to do with what's around him,

quarterback play, etc. The biggest disappointment as we are sitting here on a Friday during the by week. For me, is the defense. Everybody thought the defense had a chance to be significantly improved. A lot of you thought that this defense was going to be like top five. A lot of people out in Ashburn thought it. Rob Ryan thought it. Josh Norman thought it. You had people, you know, Landon Collins thought it. You know, you had a lot of people talking about this Redskins defense, like it was going to be a shut down, lights out defense. Is there anything, Aaron, that's been a bigger disappointment about this football team than them defensively?

I mean, other than just the sheer utter chaos of this year, but that's not like the point of I'm taking all of that and putting that to decide. On the field. Yes, yes. On the field, it's hard to argue that one. I mean, pain and ionitis and Alan are really good. I do believe that. I don't know if Fletcher Cox or Aaron Donald are in that group, the next one of those. But they're good players. And by the way, I would guess that it would be Duran Payne. I think he's got a huge upside. But they stink on defense.

They've gotten better here in recent weeks. Although the final drives of each of these games against the 49ers, Vikings, and Bills, they've been embarrassing. 49ers ran six and a half minutes off the clock on their final drive. The Vikings eight minutes plus all runs at the end of that game. The Bills, that final drive, right down the Redskins' throats. You know, the 49ers, what would they have done on a clear field and, you know, a more

playable field? Probably something better than what they did. Their 31st and third down defense, that's improved from where they are. It's still terrible. Their secondary isn't very good other than Dunbar. Collins has been okay. Their pass rush has really not been very good at all from the outside. Montez Sweat's been a disappointment so far through 9th.

games of his rookie year. Ryan Carrigan, you know, there's going to be a decision they're going to have to make on Ryan Carrigan at the end of this year. Ryan Carrigan, more likely than not, they're not going to let him enter that final year of the deal with the possibility of making it to free agency, although I wouldn't be super concerned about that. But don't be surprised. And by the way, I think most of you would probably be disappointed. If they extend Ryan Carrigan in the offseason with a year left to. on his deal, which I think they would have done with Trent Williams, you know, had he played this year before the final year of his deal. Ryan Kerrigan's okay. And I, you know, I'm a bigger fan than

Ryan Kerrigan than my buddy Cooley, who's always suggested that, you know, there are just too many plays that really knock him down from, you know, elite or great to just, you know, a good player. And I would agree with with respect to him being a pass rusher. He's certainly, not elite, don't be surprised if Ryan Carrigan gets signed to a contract extension at the end of this season. I'd trade him. I would have traded him before the deadline. I would have traded him last January. He's got some value. Could have gotten something back. But they view, you know, they have this real strange way of viewing like faces of the franchise. Like that matters with, you know, with the faces and words that come from people like Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder, like a

a face of the franchise is going to make a difference. Ryan Carrigan, I don't know if he's the face of the franchise. John Allen, to me, should be the franchise face moving forward. He's about the smartest, most mature young guy in the league I've had conversations with in a long time. And, oh, by the way, really good as a player. Biggest disappointment so far this year has been the defense. And maybe, you know, going back to last January for me that they didn't reboot this

from the jump, which obviously would have looked much better now had they done that. You know, had they gotten draft choices and had a plan, like Miami's got a plan. Although their plan, they better be careful with their plan if they keep playing Ryan Fitzpatrick. You know, the Dolphins want to lose. They keep playing Ryan Fitzpatrick. They may not lose as much as they think they're going to lose. By the way, John Kime had yesterday that Darius Geis is not going to start when he comes back, that Peterson's going to remain the starter.

I'm okay with them moving him into the lineup sort of on a slow basis until he's comfortable and they know he's healthy but eventually you get to the final four games this year I don't care what Peterson has going for himself I want to see Geist take the majority of the snaps I do think that Adrian Peterson has some incentives he can reach with a thousand yard season

I think I was told that by somebody recently I don't want to I'm pretty sure I was told that recently by somebody. I don't know why I'm blanking now as to who it was, but Adrian Peterson's at 491 yards through nine games. He's only played eight of them. Over the final seven, if he were to go for another 509 yards and get to 1,000, I think there's a big bonus in there for him, which, by the way, based on some of the reports about his financial troubles, I'm sure, you know, he has that in mind there. All right. Let's, oh, I wanted to mention one other thing before we get to Mike Jones. Two things. One, Kauai Leonard, Doc Rivers.

Kauai Leonard back last night against Portland had 18 points in the fourth quarter. Second time he's at 18 in the fourth quarter. They won the game. And did you see this, Aaron, that Doc Rivers got, and the clippers got fined for not handling the load management situation? Initially, they said yes. But you know what got them? were the post-game quotes from Doc Rivers and Kauai Leonard were both essentially admitted that Leonard wasn't hurt and that they were just managing his minutes through what we all know, what we all know now, this new phenomena over the last couple of years that Popovich, I think, started with the Spurs called load management. I guess they'll just keep taking the fine because Kauai said after the game last night, God, he is spectacular.

Kauai said after the game last night, they're managing me well, and we're going to continue to do it this way. So they may continue to get fined. One last thing. We have to talk about LSU Bama real quickly before we get to Mike Jones. I can tell you it's not in the smell test.

These games that they've played over the years have been so mammoth going into them, and most of them have disappointed. You know, Alabama's won eight of the last nine games against LSU, Aaron. And they've shut out LSU three times. And LSU in their last nine straight up. I was at one of them in Baton Rouge,

the overtime game that they lost. It was Lender Fournette's first game, by the way. They haven't scored more than 17 in any of those games. But this is a different LSU team. This is an LSU team that comes with that guy Brady from the Saints. They have revamped their offense. They are explosive. They've got a quarterback for the first time in Joe Burrow.

And I cannot wait for this football game tomorrow. in Tuscaloosa. Bama's a five and a half point favorite. It's not going to be in the smell test. If I leaned one way, it'd probably lean Bama. There's some public action on LSU. We're not going to see nine to six or ten to nothing in this game tomorrow. We're going to see a shootout, I think, for the first time and a long time, BAMLSU. Over under total tomorrow, 62 and a half, 63. Different world. Different world. Different game tomorrow. Cannot wait for that. Who do you like? Are you going to bet it?

I probably won't bet. I do have to bet it for a pool that I'm in. They have a couple games that everybody has to pick. You can pick any games, but there's a couple you have to pick. I'm leaning LSU right now, mainly because there's some reports that while Tua is good to play, he doesn't quite look like Tua. And if Tua isn't Tua, I don't know if Alabama can keep up with them. So I'm leaning that way, plus getting the points and what really, it's not a coin flip, coin flip game, but almost amounts to one.

I generally lean that way. But yeah, I'm kind of with you where as far as money goes, I'm generally avoiding this game. Yeah, I'm going to avoid the game too, I think. Can't wait for that game. Maryland, by the way, is a 43 and a half point underdog against Ohio State. I don't know, maybe you know the answer to this. Have they ever been this big of an underdog ever? I do not know the answer to that.

My guess would be no, because this gigantic lines and conference games is a fairly new phenomenon. You never saw it this high before. So I can't imagine them. But if you tell me, you know, there was at some point a game, I could buy it. Chase Young is out, suspended for the game. If you don't know who Chase Young is, he's probably a top three NFL pick next year. And he's the best pass rusher in college football. Place for Ohio State went to DeMatha here locally. Back to the LSU-BAMA game for one second. If you're a Redskins fan, you want to watch this game tomorrow. If you weren't planning on it, you should be if you're a football fan. seven of Kuyper's top 15 on his big board are in this game tomorrow,

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And I was with Mike last night. Watch us on Redskins Showtime, Sunday morning 1130 on Channel 4 here locally. So you had quite the Trent Williams story this morning. And, you know, I think I said to you at one point last night, I'm like, you know, eventually people are going to get sick of this story. But if he keeps talking, you know, there's going to be, you know, there are going to be moments we're going to sit back. We're going to read his quotes and we're going to talk about it. And I wanted to do that with you. You had a couple of quotes in there from him that I thought were interesting.

The first one he responds to, I'm assuming, the Redskins investigation or call for an investigation. investigation, third-party investigation. And he says, quote, if I felt like they were genuine, I'd be all for it. They're not doing it to find out what went wrong. They're doing it to cover their butts. And then he says, quote, mine isn't the only situation they got wrong. There are a lot of situations they could have looked into. Why didn't they do it before now? Why didn't they do it in Colt's case? Referring to Colt McCoy's broken leg in the subsequent surgeries he had after the broken leg last year. And then Trent finishes, and they keep putting out these false reports. That's never helpful. I just feel like regardless of what the findings of the investigation are,

they're going to try to find a way to paint me negatively and make themselves look better, closed quote. All right, go ahead. Give me what you thought in tone and in words, your reaction to the story you wrote in your conversation with Trent. you know, I think he was very genuine. I've known Trent since he came in the league as a rookie 2010. I mean, we've had conversations about non-football stuff, about life, about, you know, fatherhood and, you know, everything, you know, kids. And I've always found him to be very genuine. I wrote the story last week.

My point of view at the time was just that, like, there's a lot of dots that don't connect. And there's still dots that don't connect. But he hit me up and was like, when have you known me to lie? What dots don't connect? You know, ask me whatever you want to ask me, and, you know, I'll do my best to explain whatever it is for you to understand. And one of the questions was, okay, why aren't you, you know, this investigation? Why not do the investigation?

He explained that. They're like, look, the Redskins have known this as a problem. They've known my concerns for quite a while now, and they never acted very concerned. They were always very dismissive. They wanted to paint it off as being a money grab. I said, wait, you had asked for a contract extension. You had asked for guaranteed money. And he explained, yeah, I had a two-hour conversation with Bruce Allen over there.

And, you know, I was very angry that they didn't seem to have, like, any desire to take care of me when I put them first for so long. He said, but the breaking point was not only the cancer scare, but when after that, nobody ever still said, we're sorry, we've got to. it wrong. We wish we had done something differently. And instead, it kept on, they kept thinking and painting it as it was a media, a money grab, and then leaking that to the media, when I knew that there were details only two or three people knew when it wasn't me or my agent. And so that's where it really was upsetting to me. And so that's where Trent came to the realization that, you know what, the bridge is burned here. There are people in this building that I still very much respect, but there are

other people that I really don't trust and I just need a fresh start. You know, it's funny because this morning when your story broke, for whatever reason, and I'm just noticing it right now as I'm doing the podcast, for whatever reason, and it may have been the link or whatever, I only got half the story, and now I'm reading all of these other quotes from the story for the first time. So for those of you that listened to the radio show this morning, that's why I didn't see a lot of the other quotes in this story. But, you know, he... There has been a bug with Twitter lately.

I do know about that. That's probably why. Yeah, because only half of it came through, and now I have the other half because I just reopened it. But anyway, you know, he talks about, you know, the scary situation again with you. And what you just said, and, you know, specific to the, you know, the original quote that I read from the story where he said they keep putting out these false reports, was he being specific? to Charlie Casserly's report, which I'm sure he thinks he got Charlie got from the team, or were there more? Well, he said, okay, when this first came out, remember we heard this,

that he was unhappy with something back at OTAs. We knew there was some story about, you know, some vague things about a health scare. The two, you know, this is growth. And then there was also, then the story came out about him wanting more money. And that persisted on that yes, he was, you know, and then there was even a report at training camp, I think the Washington Post, was that Trent, according to the report, that his camp had said they asked for more money,

then they asked to be traded because of the health thing, and then they said more money would make everything better. Well, Trent, is that is false. He's like, that's where he's saying, that stuff came from people who, you know, that didn't come from our camp, and the way that they continue to paint this as a money grap thing is the thing that lets me know that they really aren't genuine in any of this.

You know, he says about the Charlie Casserly report, and Casserly said that he missed an appointment that was scheduled for him three years ago. That was the Casserly report. He said, quote, to you, they started putting poison pills out there, that it was just about the money. The talk about me missing appointments, I'll tell you what it was. It was scheduled for a Thursday. I went on a Friday.

I had just gotten it off by a day one time. Well, was that one time three years ago or not? Do you know? That was what he was saying in response to that report there about the missed appointment. Well, Charlie Caffley said misappointments. But in Trent's mind, that was the incident, and he's saying that that's more part of this smear campaign. Now, look, I had heard some people that there were times over the length of his career,

you know, they would be tell Trent, hey, come get treatment for various ailments, and he would show up in the training room like 10 minutes before, you know, heading to a meeting. And they'd be like, Trent, this isn't enough time. So, you know, there's been stuff like that that has always, you know, gone on that you hear that I heard this summer. I'd never heard that stuff before. But, you know, whenever there's something at stake with this team, there's always some type of, you know, skeletons or smear or whatever you want to

call it, ugly details or negative details that come out there. Was there anything? I don't know. Was there other appointments that were missed? I don't know. But that's what Trent had to say when I asked him about that. So in reading through a few more quotes, he said, quote, I felt like things could have been resolved, but then the Redskins resorted to the blame game. I stayed quiet about the situation because I want to maintain that level of respect, but there were some details coming out that only a couple of people knew, closed quote. You know, one of the things I said this morning after reading the first few quotes that came through is that, you know, I don't think we found out about this or any of the medical suspicions

until we heard from people who were speaking on behalf of Trent. Am I wrong about that or not? there was one i think there was one uh i can't remember who put it out there around o t a one little thing about trent had something who was upset with the doctors i thought may have been may have been jay may have been it may have been j might now that i think of it it just occurred to me that maybe jay alluded to it initially when when trent didn't show up something right but i right but i thought that he thought he had cancer and he was scared and it turned out he didn't Then we found out he actually did have a cancerous growth.

And then from that point on, it was always, that kind of went away because there's no clarity, and does the contract matter continue to persist? And I, myself, was under the impression that Trent, like Melvin Gordon, like, you know, Levy on Bell, like these were guys who wanted to make sure that they took matters into their hands and made sure they were taking care of financially rather than playing on these. on guaranteed deals, you know, and then you hear other sides of this thing. You know, it's interesting. You're younger than I am, so I'm going to assume that you haven't had any of this stuff, but maybe you have. But you get to a certain age, and maybe when you are

fair-skinned like I am, and you're going to the dermatologist every year, which is, by the way, a really good idea for any of you out there. Aaron, listen to me. You should go to the dermatologist once a year, because skin cancer is always better caught early than late, like any cancer. But I've had like three of these basal cell carcinomas cut out of my skin. Like it's cancer, it gets cut out, but basically they cut it out so it doesn't get to the rest of your system. And it's, I don't want to call it benign because it's actually, you know, a type of skin cancer.

But I am actually really intrigued as to, you know, we heard Trent, and by the way, I'm not disputing for a moment how scary this situation was. I think I was one of the first last summer to sort of say that from the people that I had talked to, he had been told to get his affairs in order, which was really, you know, no one ever wants to hear that. But did you get into any of that about the specific cancer and how serious it really was and, you know, how close he truly was to becoming something that was life-threatening? we didn't talk as much about that because he had explained in front of his locker last week the type of cancer it was and I read you know up on that but he did say that when they went in there they didn't know how deep it had gone he said you know and I talked to you know other people who felt like okay it wasn't that dramatic now Trent when I asked about that he did say no it actually wasn't just in the skin and he was told that it was weeks away from penetrating, you know, going to his brain, from getting through the bone into his brain.

So that was his feeling, and it didn't sound like he was making it up. And also, you know, he has shown people pictures where you've got, you know, 75 staples in your head and 300-something stitches. You look at that. And, I mean, I had knee surgery just passed off, even, and I tore my pheleton. And I had the bandage on there. One day the bandage fell off. I didn't realize I had 24 staples in my knee, and I almost, like, passed out.

So, I mean, that's scary stuff, and it was just the knee. You have cancer. Everybody reacts to stuff differently, so you can't really say, oh, well, he wasn't really that scared. No, if you got a bunch of staples up in your head and they tell you that it was close to going to your brain, if you hadn't got it caught, I think that I'd be freaking out, too. So a couple more things on this. the Colt McCoy analogy that he tries to make is not a good one because Colt McCoy did not hold out and Colt McCoy did not accuse the organization of negligence.

So that's really not something that really connected for me anyway. And the other thing, and by the way, you and I both have sort of been in the same boat. I mean, we're two, three years running, it may be longer of not, rarely, if ever, trying to defend the organization. And I'm not attempting to do that now because I don't know the facts. You know, like all of these things, there's one side, the other side, and the truth, you know, usually. But the thing about it is like just going through this over the last several months, I actually think from the Redskins perspective, they really didn't talk at all, you know? And the first statement we heard from them was this request for a third-party investigation.

and Trent didn't speak directly until last week either, until that Thursday presser a week ago Thursday. And in reading through your story, you know, he really is upset about not only the lack of a diagnosis or urgency in communicating that diagnosis or the urgency to get it checked, but he's really upset about sort of these false reports that have been put out on him by the team. And I don't know.

I don't see. We know that the team in the past, they have gone after people with anonymous quotes and been mean-spirited like they were to McLuhan, even though probably they had, well, they did. They had every justification to fire him with cause, but still, they went low road, you know, with McLuhan. I don't really get the sense personally from, you know, living the day to day of this as a media member and as a fan that they really went low road on this. Do you?

No, we'll see, I think in his mind, when details came out about, you know, him asking for a trade or asking for money, and he's like, well, I didn't talk, and I know my agent doesn't, didn't talk. And every single media person I've talked to has the same frustrations with his agent that he is not a guy when you're like, look, I don't know how many times I hit him up saying, look, this is what I'm being told. I want to make sure that you are fairly represented. So can you please let me know if it's true or false? And the guy did not respond. And I asked Trent about that. He said, that was my design. He wanted to be professional.

So when Trent's like, okay, well, somebody's talking, and I know it's not my camp, so why are they putting this stuff out there? You know, I don't get the sense. I never got the sense that they were out there to let's make Trent look bad as much as they were more so like, come on, like, let's come on, Trent. maybe frustrated, not malicious, and dismissive, maybe so. But again, there's dots on both sides that don't totally connect. I think that he was trying to say, you know, the Colt McCoy, Alex Smith, Darius, guys,

he's just saying, like, there are medical, so many medical situations where they've gotten injuries wrong, guys who've had surgery, they have setbacks, they have infections. Like, why is there only something with the medical care here, when something goes wrong, you think back to Malcolm Kelly. You know, those years, like every year there's only somebody who gets some type of injury. They're told one thing. It wanted to be worse. So they come back and they have a step back.

So that's what he was saying. I don't think he was saying that, you know, Colt was done wrong, just that there's negligence or too many mistakes with their medical care. And he felt like, why doesn't this team look into this and decide, okay, do we need a new approach with our doctors. But at the same time, I said, Trent, so who was it who told you that I was a sis? And he was like, look, man, these doctors have families. I don't want to mirror the doctors and whatever. So he's very thoughtful in that regard. But his frustration, I said, well, who is it? And he said that Bruce was the one that he thought was the most dismissive and continued to paint him

in a bad light. And that's who he felt like was at the root of the disconnect. it. Yeah, and you know, if anybody said that about Bruce, none of us would, you know, discount it as a very good possibility that, you know, he was not, you know, he didn't handle it appropriately. Three more on this. First of all, you just started to answer one of the questions that I was about to ask you, and that is, who are the doctors? Are they team doctors? Like, is it Casillero, who's truly a team doctor? Or is it, you know, their partners from and Nova. Who is it that repeatedly, as you wrote, repeatedly classified the growth as assist? You know, without naming names, did you get a sense of whether or not they were actually team doctors or

independent contractors through ANOVA or one of their other health providers? You know, I don't know. That's why I wanted to know. Maybe it wasn't the team doctor, or maybe it was something. But he wouldn't give me that answer there. Castellaro is one. Now he said, I said, Doc, he said, I remember the day, and exactly what I said, Doc, I got a lump on my head, and I think it's a tumor. And he said, now, I think that's a cyst. And when he said, he asked through a cysts. Now, I don't know where the dermatologist was, but that dermatologist told him that they thought, well, he said I asked through the dermatologist, they told me that it was probably a cyst. You know, because I don't know. I do know at one point,

you know, he mentioned, you know, going to a nerve. I don't know if that was the action. team doctors? Because that's why my question was, wait, was Castlewell practicing at Lenovo? Was it the doctors from Minova that are the partners? Which one was it? And I couldn't get that insight into where it was because Trent was like, look,

these guys have families. They have been, they're nice people. It's not my issue. Obviously, they got it wrong, but it was all mishandled and he goes like it starts at the top. Yeah, because, I don't know, the team have an on-staff dermatologist?

No, that's what I... Yeah, I mean, that would be weird. That's where he said, he said I asked them, could they send me to a dermatologist? So that's what made me think, okay, that, okay, who do you guys know that I should go to? You know, but... Yeah, because, you know,

because in, you know, everybody in, that's listening to this, everybody either has direct or indirect experience with misdiagnosis, you know, and there are avenues, to, you know, and recourse you can, recourses you can take to sort of, you know, if there was an injury, you know, if there was a true injury,

if there was a true negligence, you know, he can take action against these people, even though he doesn't want to ruin their lives. That's, you know, that's what they have insurance for, by the way. You know, there's a lot. So anyway, ultimately, last thing on this, two things quickly. One, why didn't Bruce trade him?

B, I think Trent should have just let this investigation get pursued rather than cut it off because we wouldn't have heard anything about this for over a year more likely than not. And he would have been in a new place already playing at that point. Yeah, why Bruce did not trade him? Because Bruce is always determined to win. And he wants to do it his way. That's his track record. people that's you know

he's got a vindictive streak to him his three shows and he Bruce did say when asked about it now he would never go into the medical stuff

when asked about it you know not interviews with me I tried to get him to I gave him a rundown of what I went to ask and he did not respond but he has said before I think he was

Sherry who sat down with him at NBC4 and he didn't go into the medical stuff but he said if he's going to football, it's going to be, in 2019, it's going to be with the Washington Redskins. So he was firm on that. He, you know, and I know that from the Redskins standpoint, look, you're under contract. You know, you will play for us.

They don't want to set a precedent of, you know, players strong-arming them into new contracts or, you know, trades or whatever. But at some point, you know, underestimating the situation, they could have just, if they traded him, this would have been done. They would have moved on. They would have had the compensation already. Trent would have had, you know, his new start, and this would have been over. But instead, this is something that's going to continue to hang over them

until the off-season when, you know, they trade him before the draft. Yeah, the one thing I would say is I think even if they had traded him, he would have held a similar press conference that he held in Washington in his new place, and then the Redskins would have called for the investigation, and it would have been, I think, I don't know that we would have avoided this conversation had he been traded. I think there still would have been this, and you would have still been writing about this this morning after a conversation with him, unless he just decided not to talk, which actually, in hindsight, Mike, really probably would have suited him best.

That's what he probably would have just said. And my feeling is that if he had just gotten a resolve, either apology and changes or if they traded him, I think he would have just kept it quiet. Maybe you're right. But it was, you know, that's just what I gathered from Trenton. I know I know you've got to run. You're also doing Seahawks 49ers out in Santa Clara on Monday night. Have a good trip out there. You're going to see a great game.

We'll talk soon. Appreciate the time. All right, man. Thanks a lot. Mike 3, 2, 1. Mike Jones, everybody. I like Mike as much as anybody I've liked in the media over many years now. He did such a great job covering the team for the post.

He's doing a really good job as a columnist for USA Today. He's just a good reporter. He just really is, and he's actually a terrific person as well. He had to run to do another radio interview, but I want to read just a couple of more quotes from his story that I'm just reading really for the first time, as I mentioned when I was doing radio earlier this morning, for whatever reason, only half the story came through.

But there are a couple of other quotes here that are actually interesting from Trent. Quote, about the money. He doesn't deny that he asked, for a contract extension early in the off season. And he told Mike in this story, quote, I knew I was coming up on a year with no guaranteed money, and I wanted to open the conversation about them making me a redskin for the rest of my career. I understand that either a team wants the player and will extend him or they'll send him somewhere

so they can get some value for him. I told Bruce, I understand that we're in a rebuild, and if you don't want to dump any more money in the O line, I'd like to go somewhere that I'm wanted. I still felt like I've got five to six more healthy years left of quality football. That quote is very interesting because forget the acknowledgement that he wants more guaranteed money. The fact that he said, I understand that we're in a rebuild. That may have really pissed Bruce off because Bruce hasn't thought that they were in a rebuild.

The other part of this, just to be really fair to Trent on this, it is not unusual. even with two years left on a deal for a player of Trent's caliber, for more money in the contract on the back half of the contract to be guaranteed. Because for the team, in most cases, they know they're going to play out that contract. They did it for people like John Jansen. Remember Gibbs got Jansen's contract extended towards the end of his career. When, by the way, Jansen wasn't anywhere near the player Trent Williams was.

Clinton Portis had it done multiple times. So it was not unusual, certainly in the Vinny Dan days, for players to get more guaranteed money added to the end of the deal. It's been less typical under Bruce Allen. Now, from the team's perspective, Trent's been suspended twice. You know, you can never discount that being a part of the team looking at Trent wanting more guaranteed money and saying, Trent, You've been suspended twice.

We stuck behind you. We gave you a massive deal off two suspensions. One of your suspensions, you missed four crucial late season games for us. You weren't available for us. And, you know, a lot of people will tell you, with respect to weed and marijuana, you know, that these players know, before they're in the program, they know when they're going to be tested. And, you know, you really, really either have to have, A, a major problem with it,

or B, really be ignoring how easy it is to sort of make sure you're clean for the test. And he didn't do it twice. Now, maybe he's got a problem with it. But anyway, from the team's perspective, they had that in terms of giving him more contract, more guaranteed money. But Trent's request is not that unusual. You know, yes, he's got two years left on the deal. And yes, Bruce Allen is pretty much cut from, you know, 1977 everything about him.

and he is a stickler for living up to, you know, the contract. But it's not unusual in the NFL to ask for more guaranteed money at the end of your contract when you're a player of Trent Williams's caliber. Williams, here was another quote, too. So anyway, Williams told Mike Jones that Bruce denied his request for more guaranteed money. Something that, you know, sort of the team brass held this past off season, their position that, hey, he still

has two years remaining on his contract and now is not the time for an extension. I believe the team, a year from now, had Trent played this year, may have given him more guaranteed money or maybe even an extension. They didn't want to do it with two years left. But William

said, had something else to say. He said, I had a lot of anger about my situation. I felt like they could have worked something out if they really wanted me. But the breaking point was how things played out with my health and how I felt like I was mistreated. I put this organization first for so long, but they never took it seriously. And I do stand for something. And I felt like it's not just a stand for me, but for future players as well. Because let's be honest,

they've got a bad track record. Closed quote. Anyway, so that's it on the Trent Williams thing. A really good get by Mike Jones. Good quotes in there from Trent Williams. We move on. Real quick word. about our app. We've got an app now. If you're interested, download the app from the app store on your iPhone or from the Google store on your Android. Let me know how it works for you. If you go that route, you don't have to give up the way you're listening to the show now. If it's working for you, you know, on Apple Podcasts or on Google Play or Spotify or tune in or Stitcher, those are great ways too. If you do download the app, it also comes with, you know,

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most confident in. The information that I have is solid. The public money information I have is solid. And there were like four or five games that I was so close to pulling the trigger on last Saturday. They all would have lost every single one of them. TCU, Southern Cal, I can't even remember some of the others, but I had a miserable last Saturday because I played all those games. So be fortunate, feel fortunate that I only gave you four losers last Saturday instead of eight because it could have been eight. You know, there are many times I'll come in here and tell you I had a really good weekend and it could have been so much better if I'd given you the other games. Last week was the opposite. It was a bad week on Saturday in particular and it could have been so much worse.

Sunday, I came back with a 4-1 NFL Sunday for a 4-and-5 weekend. I'm 59, 47, and 2 on the season. So I think we went from a high of being like plus 25 units, something like that, to now plus 12. You know, you're still winning, and we've got a lot of season left. I mean, we got, you know, half the NFL season left. We've got four weeks of college football left. We've got college bowl games galore. And who knows, maybe on the podcast, I'll throw in some college.

basketball games when I see a really good play. That is the sport, I think I've mentioned this before, over the years that I have probably had the most success betting is college basketball regular season, but usually not until you get into conference play in January, although we're getting conference play much earlier now than ever before. By the way, did you see what Jim Beheim said about opening up with Virginia? I did see that, yeah. Said it was a money grab. He's not wrong. He's not wrong, but, you know, this is a sport that used to be popular start to finish. Of course. And now it's basically a sport that's popular for one month of the year. And it's March. You and I love it from the beginning. Absolutely. But for the most part, college basketball, and you can see it

reflected in television ratings over the years during the regular season. You know, people, most people, you know, the NFL extends into early February. Then you have, you know, the free agency period that starts. And it's become more of an event sport, you know, the month of March. So playing, you know, November conference games, I can understand what college basketball is trying to do. Absolutely. I actually think that these heavyweights should play even more big-time non-conference games. I've had a problem, quite honestly, with Maryland's schedule over the years.

100%. You know, I mean, I wish you. would schedule more big games. Now, they have, I think, probably an unexpected heavyweight matchup in December against Seton Hall. Seton Hall's ranked 14th in the country. When they scheduled that home and home last year and this year, I bet you he didn't think that Seton Hall would be a top 15 team.

But so, you know, as it works out for them this year, you know, they get that as a huge non-conference game. I hate their ACC Big Ten matchup against Notre Dame. I wish Maryland could play, you know, you know, ACC teams like traditional ACC teams every year in their Big Ten ACC matchup. You know, part of what TURG would tell you is we play 20 regular season games in the Big Ten. It's a brutal schedule, and it is when you get to that Big Ten slate. And they start it, you know, now in December, with two games in December.

The two games they have this year are Illinois and at Penn State. Neither one of those two will be easy. Illinois's improved. And by the way, I love the way they think. play, and Penn State has Lamar Stevens, one of the best players not only in the league, but in the country. All right, I don't know how we got sidetracked on that. I started talking about college basketball and betting college basketball.

Let's get back to the smell test. Several games tomorrow that I like, none tonight. Start with TCU at Baylor. Baylor's 8-0. Baylor's just, you know, Matt rules a phenomenal coach. Love him as a coach. Think he's doing a great job at Baylor. They're just not that good.

They're one of those teams. We see it every year. They go 6 and 07 and 08 and 0, and it's largely scheduled-based. They've played well, but listen to their schedule. Stephen F. Austin, U.T. San Antonio, Rice. That's your non-con. Now, they beat Iowa State. Iowa State's pretty good, and they beat Kansas State,

and Kansas State has proven to be pretty good. They barely beat Texas Tech, beat Oklahoma State pretty badly, and barely beat West Virginia last week. They finished with TCU, Oklahoma, Texas, and then at Kansas, Les Miles has actually got that team playing better football than most people would think. They've lost a lot of games, but some of them have been close, including the loss of Texas a few weeks ago, 50 to 48. Anyway, Baylor's schedule, not that great. Baylor's impressive, you know, rating, not that high. They're 8-0, and they're only laying 2.5 at TCU.

TCU starting that freshman quarterback now. He's much better. They beat Texas a couple of weeks ago. I like TCU plus the two and a half. And one of the two big games of the day, the first one is at noon, Penn State at Minnesota. This has to be the biggest home game for Minnesota in years, right? Oh, without a question of a doubt.

Yeah, I mean, they were screaming. PJ Fleck really wanted game day to be there. That wasn't going to happen with LSU Alabama. but Minnesota people are really sort of knocking them a little bit because of their schedule. They barely beat early on South Dakota State, Fresno and Georgia Southern. By the way, Georgia Southern is pretty good. They have crushed people recently, but nobody great, Illinois, Nebraska, Rutgers, Maryland. And now they've got Penn State at home.

I saw Penn State up and close a couple of weeks ago in state college against Michigan. I think they're really, really good on defense and super fast on defense. And I think Sean Clifford's not bad. He's no Trace McSorley. But Penn State defensively, you know, they've been really, really good. You go back to even that Pitt game. You know, pits, you know, been pretty good this year. They beat Pitt, held them to 10, shut Maryland out.

Crush Purdue held them to 7, held Iowa to 12. You know, the Michigan game was 21-0 at one point. And then Michigan State a team that really can't score. where they held to seven. Minnesota can score. Minnesota's very versatile offensively. I think the number's short. The public's on Penn State laying six and a half by the half point, as you should with TCU on the plus two and a half to get TCU to plus three. Minnesota, you should have it plus seven, but give me the Golden Gophers plus seven. Aaron, this is the biggest mystery point spread to me of the weekend. And I'll explain why, because it's probably not that

obvious to anybody that's looking at this out there. Michigan State's laying 14 and a half points against Illinois. Illinois beat Wisconsin. They've won three games in a row. Levy Smith has his best season going at Illinois in a long, long time. There are no true serious injuries. Williams, their quarterback, has missed the last three games during their win streak. He could be available for Michigan State, but it doesn't matter. The guy that's replaced him has been winning these games. Michigan State has scored a total, a total of 10 points, I believe, in their last three games. Is it 10 or is it 17?

17, I'm sorry. They lost to Ohio State 34-10, Wisconsin 38-0, and Penn State 28-7. Now, those are three good teams in a row. They've played. They scored zero against Wisconsin. Illinois beat Wisconsin. How is Michigan State a 14 and a half point favorite in this game? And the fact that it's 14 and a half and not 14 or 13 and a half,

it's a rare thing, has the public absolutely convinced that Illinois plus that big number is stealing money. I've had Michigan State a couple times this year. I've lost all of them, I think. I'll take Michigan State and lay the 14.5. By the way, by the half point, so you're only laying 14. How about Texas is a seven-point favorite over K-State, who's on a role having beaten Oklahoma in TCU? K-State playing really well.

Texas lost to TCU a few weeks ago. And in Austin, I'll grant you it's a home game. They're laying seven to this red-hot K-State team? Seems high. The public likes the dog there. I'll take Texas and lay the seven. Wisconsin off of a couple of losses, laying a big number against Iowa, a team that's really good defensively. They're laying nine to Iowa, a nine and a half, excuse me.

I'll take Wisconsin and lay the nine and a half. Too many favorites there, Texas and Michigan State and Wisconsin all in a row. Give me Duke plus eight against Notre Dame. The public loves the Irish this week off of that close win against Virginia Tech last week. I like Cal plus seven and a half against Washington State, and I like Miami a lot this week. The Cains should not be a six and a half point favorite over Louisville. Louisville's played well recently. Miami can't really score, but defensively, Miami's very good.

Louisville just beat UVA. They beat Wake a few weeks ago, and they're catching seven on the road against the Cains. The public likes the dog there. I'll take another favorite. and later, actually six and a half on covers, six and a half Miami against Louisville. Let's go to Sunday, where I don't have nearly as many games. There are a lot of liens on Sunday, but only a couple of plays. Nobody is going to have Cincinnati. None of your friends will. Nobody you know that bets will bet the Bengals plus the 10 and a half at home against Baltimore,

not after what they saw with the Ravens on Sunday night football. I'll have the Bengals, and I think you should too, plus the 10 and a half. This will be one of the bigger needs in Vegas. And with your bookie and every sports book worldwide, they're going to need the Bengals Sunday plus the 10 and a half. By the way, Ryan Finley starting at quarterback. The Browns are two and six. The bills are six and two and the Browns are laying two and a half. Public likes the dog there. I'll take the favorite with Cleveland and lay the two and a half. The Panthers are on the road against Green Bay and the public's convinced there's no way Green Bay can lose two games in a row. And by the way, they're only laying five and a half.

I'm sorry, it's five right now. Give me Green Bay, the public is saying. That's easy. No, it's not that easy. I'll take Carolina plus the five and a half. And then Monday night, this is respect from Vegas. It's subtle respect, but trust me on this. The public has not bought into San Francisco's undefeated record.

The public's always bought into Russell Wilson. San Francisco in that big Monday night matchup against the Seahawks in Santa Clara, I thought that number Aaron would be three and a half, four, something like that. It's six. Vegas is telling you the 49ers are really good, and they are inviting all of the Seahawk action you want to lay out there. All of your friends, Russell Wilson, getting six points, the Niners aren't even that good. Garoppolo's not that good.

Come on. They haven't really played anybody. That's a big number. I'll lay it. Take the Niners. I think we're going to see Monday night just how good Nick Bosa and company are. He's not just the defensive rookie of the year. He's in the conversation for the defensive MVP in the NFL as a rookie this year. All right. Recapping, TCU plus two and a half by the half point. Minnesota plus six and a half by the half point. Michigan State minus 14 and a half by the half point. Texas minus seven, Wisconsin minus nine and a half, Duke plus eight, Cal plus seven and a half, and the Keynes minus six and a half. On Sunday, the Bengals plus ten and a half, the Panthers plus five and a half, the Browns minus two and a half, and the 49ers on Monday night, minus six. All right, that's it for the day. Enjoy the weekend. Be back on Monday, won't have a Redskins game to talk about.

By the way, enjoy the weekend without a Redskins game. You get to sit back on Sunday and watch NFL from start to finish or get out and do something outside because actually Sunday is going to be a nice day. Tomorrow, pretty cold. All right, thanks to Aaron. Thanks to Mike Jones for joining us on the show today. I'm back on Monday. Have a great weekend.