The Kevin Sheehan Show - It's Official: Jayden Daniels Starting QB

Episode Date: August 19, 2024

Kevin and Thom today on Dan Quinn making it official that Jayden Daniels will be Washington's starting quarterback when the season opens September 8th in Tampa. They guys talked about the RG3 ESPN firing, Colt McCoy's official retirement and move to NBC's Big 10 Football coverage, and Thom broke news on a potential Commanders' future training camp site.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. Apologies for having you come up with new storylines for today. But Jaden Daniels is our starting quarterback. That was Dan Quinn moments ago announcing that Jaden Daniels will be Washington's 2024 starting quarterback.

Shocker, Tommy. Not really. The show's presenting sponsor, as always is Wind Donation. Give them a call at 86690 Nation or head towindonation.com. Mention my name for a free, no obligation estimate. I did do a show yesterday on the game Saturday night, kind of a recap of the game. We'll have a little bit more on the show today. We'll get Tommy's thoughts if he even watched it.

Did you watch the game Saturday night? Yes, I taped it and then watched the tape. You really did? Yes. Oh, God. It's terrible, isn't it, the preseason? Oh, yeah, like I said, professional wrestling has more credibility in preseason football. It's terrible.

But we'll get your thoughts on that. Tommy's joining me here on a Monday because I did the show yesterday. He'll be on with me Monday and Thursday of this week. We have an exciting Thursday together. You're going to be in studio with me, right? And we're going to have some guests with us in studio. Yes, we are. The winners of the bid at the D.C. Grays Cigars and Curveballs event, the auctioned to the bid for visiting our podcast.

Very generous of you to offer that up. Well, we both offered it up. It was both of us that offered it up. But if you're a podcast. Well, I mean, you're a part of the podcast. We've done this for many, many years, and we always enjoy meeting people who love the podcast, and we'll go to lunch with them and we'll hang out.

And it'll be just a wonderful day, I am sure. Cannot wait, Thursday. You know, I actually am having lunch tomorrow. This is a busy week because tomorrow, Denton and I, as in my radio producer, Denton Day, and I are having lunch with the guy that won the Super Bowl trivia contest on radio. So we have that scheduled tomorrow. You always liked that contest.

It never really bothered you at all. Super Bowl trivia, Tommy used to break out in a sweat. Oh, God. But that's because we were offering our own cat. as a first prize. And you trusted in me to come up with hard enough questions that there wouldn't be a winner, but we did have one winner, I think, one year. Yes, we did.

Yes, we did. And I reached it in my pocket to pay my half because that was the agreement. But it was really ridiculous when you think about it. It said something about the radio things we were at, you know, that we had to pay for this ourselves. And we were top station, the top show on the station. Yeah. We had to do that.

Yeah. We, we, there was no, there was no help on that front. I'm not saying there's a lot more help now on the Super Bowl trivia thing, but you and I came up with 250 bucks each because we paid the winner 500 bucks, right? Or was it 250 total? No, it was 500. It was 500. Yeah.

Man, you, when we got to Super Bowl trivia time every year, you're like, oh, we don't have to do this. No one will remember. I'm like, it's good radio. People love it. And they did, and they still do. It was good radio. You're right. When I do that Super Bowl trivia, people are lined up on the phone lines before the show begins to get on with a chance.

Part of what made it good radio was me sweating about it. That's true. But it was not a put-on. You were legitimately sweating. You were very nervous. Yeah. All right. So, you know, I'm looking at the TV right now.

I guess Jaden Daniels is speaking right now, too. So we'll try to figure out what he said based on some of the social media. But Dan Quinn today named Jaden Daniels the starter. Not a surprise. This was a given from the beginning. I think it was a given from the beginning. guess there was always a chance that he was going to underwhelm them to the point where they would be concerned with playing him. But I said, you know, all offseason, if he's not the

starting quarterback against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on opening day, that would be very concerning. That would mean that he did not, he did not execute at a level that they were anticipating when they took him. You know, they went out and got Marcus Mario. So they did have a fallback veteran plan in the event that they needed him. But I don't think they ever had a doubt as to whether or not he would get to this point. And I think a lot of the offseason maneuvering, I think the interior of the offensive line was crucial. You know, they wanted that built up as support for him. There are still issues at tackle, perhaps, we'll see.

I think adding a big tight end like Zach Ertz was really. important. I think the emphasis on the running game, and I think we will see that. But he's been impressive. I mean, it's preseason. I get it. I'm the one that talks down preseason and have for years about we don't know anything based on these results, and we don't really. But he really, everything he has done on the field that we've been able to see has been impressive in terms of an individual evaluation. I can't wait. I'm as excited for a player on this team as I've been in a long time, a long time. That goes for Chase Young, who I was very excited about and dead wrong about. I just love this player, and I think everything he did well at the college level totally

translates to the NFL. We'll see. What are your thoughts on the... Unsurprising news. I think that Dan Quinn handled it probably just about right. You know, not to hand it over from the first day of training camp to him to create the illusion at least that people are competing for jobs because that's an important message. Whether people believe it or not, it's an important message to get out there. But he didn't let it go on too long where it became ridiculous.

He didn't let it go on after the third preseason game was over and then go into preparing for the first game of the year against Tampa. I think he handled that the timing was just about right for that announcement. And I think from what we saw, the limited exposure we saw from Jane Daniels, I think he's right when Dan Quinn said that he earned it. I think he did. Yeah, I mean, I think he did earn it. I think, you know, one of the things that they wanted to see

and what they believed they were getting in Jaden Daniels was somebody who was going to work and earn it from that standpoint, earned the trust of his teammates that he was putting in the work. That's a big deal, you know, as part of young players sort of integration, into a team. Like, you know, the veterans are looking at a number two overall pick. Great. Can he play? And then does he understand what it takes at this level in terms of work ethic and preparation? And I think they saw that. It's too early for us to have the transcripts from the entire Dan Quinn press conference. It was 27 minutes long. But I did listen to the entire thing.

And he was asked by, I think it was Sam 48. about taking on the leadership role along with the starting quarterback role. And Dan Quinn immediately pushed back on it. And I made a note of it because I thought it was a really, really good answer and a really smart answer. He said, that's not Jaden's role right now. He'll grow into that role. When we drafted him and we got started, I told him, you've got one job. and that is to play the position at the level that we think you can play the position at

and be a good teammate. You know, I don't need Jaden Daniels in his rookie year going to dress down Terry McClorn if Terry runs the wrong route. And I'm paraphrasing here at this point. We were never going to put that on Jaden Daniels. You know, you don't put that on a young player. A young player earns that and grows into that role. I think that's really smart.

And by the way, maybe not, you know, a huge reveal for many of you. But when you take a quarterback that high in the draft and you don't have a quarterback on your roster, not to mention in this organization, you haven't had one in eight years, seven years. You know, this is the eighth straight year that they will start a new quarterback since you know who left in 2017. I remember, by the way, saying specifically, Bruce Allen, you will regret this decision

not to give him a bona fide offer the rest of your days. You have to get really lucky with whatever you do because you finally had a legitimate NFL starting quarterback and you lowball them for three straight years. Anyway, I digress on you know who. The point being that that's so true. I mean, how many walks of life, no matter what the person comes in in terms of the role, unless they're the CEO. But when they are brand new and young, it's all about do me a favor.

Do your job to the best of your ability, become the best quarterback. Focus on that. And the other stuff will either happen or not happen, but it'll happen if it does naturally. and this organization needs leadership. You know, it needed a quarterback, but I think that's smart on Quinn's part to not even have Jayden Daniels worried about being a leader. They've got John Allen, they've got Terry McLorn, they've got Bobby Wagner now on the roster, they got players that have been around in this, you know, in this NFL for a long time.

They don't need him worried about being the big-time vocal leader. Just play well. I like that answer. I agree with you on all that. But two things. First of all, is he going to be a team captain? I don't know. That's a good question.

I would imagine because there are multiple team captains, and I don't know how they'll handle it, but if there is an offensive captain, a defensive captain, and a special teams captain, I would assume that Terry McClorn would be the, offensive team captain. If they're... So if he is a team captain,

he's being put in a position of leadership. Yeah, let's see what happens on that front. That's interesting. I mean, you can be a team captain, and it can be about your play. Your leadership comes from the way you play, the way you prepare. What he

really was talking about is, I don't need you to worry about being the vocal leader. You just worry about playing the position and you worry about being the best teammate. And that eventually grows. I can't imagine there are many rookie quarterbacks that come in and have the ability to become really good at the position and to become the leader of the team without pissing a bunch of people off.

It's very presumptuous. You know, in the NFL, by the way, with these young quarterbacks, it's a one. out of three business. You know, it's one out of four sometimes. And yet, the one thing I will say about Dan Quinn is there has been no hesitation, none whatsoever from him, to express publicly how confident he is in Jaden Daniels and how much Jaden Daniels has absolutely killed it here. You know, it has been a love fest.

There's been nothing about, well, we'll see, you know, don't want to get ahead of our skis here. We have not played an actual football game yet. So it's not necessarily my way of handling it publicly. Certainly behind the scenes, it would be all about building them up and making them, you know, understand how confident we are. But you can't fake that. You know, it's got to be real. You know, it's like parents with kids who let them win all the time, you know, and thinking that the kid will just grow in confidence because you're letting them win, there has to be some reality to it. You know, you want to build up confidence.

That's the ultimate goal with young people. But it can't be done in a false way where nobody's buying it. And so behind the scenes express honestly how you feel. I just think publicly, man, there's been no, there's been no kind of reservation about we got our guy. In fact, today, Tommy, during that press conference, he actually talked about, you know, the competition that he had to earn this. And he said, we wanted to, you know, we wanted to essentially set the, as part of our culture, that 10 years from now, when we're looking for a new quarterback, this is what he said.

I mean, this is not verbatim, but this is what he was saying. We want our culture to be that the next time we're looking for the next Jaden Daniels 10 years from now, we can say Jaden and his rookie season had to come in and earn it. We're not handing anything to anybody. I mean, that's pretty damn presumptuous and optimistic, you know? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I think it's just him.

My second question. Yeah. My second question, my second point is, you know, the quarterback position is not like any other position on the team. It's by nature a leadership position. I mean, whether he's, whether what Dan Quinn wants to him be or not, when they're on the field, that's his huddle. Yeah. Okay. And in that huddle, he is the leader.

Yes. And it goes with the position. Yes. And other players look to the quarterback to be that, to be, to be forceful, and to show leadership skills on the field in that huddle. I think that's right. I think he's capable of. I'm sure he's capable of, at least I think he is.

Yeah, I don't think there's. I have no reason not to join the Jane Daniels parade. except for a couple of movie references that the coach has chosen to bring up about little blips here and there. There hasn't been a bump in the road in the parade for James. You don't like the Top Gun and Animal House references? I like them. I like them. I take their fun.

Yeah. I think they're fun. And I think, I mean, but, and I guess they kind of diffuse little moments, and we're assuming their little moments. and we're assuming their little moments at this point. Right. You know, basically checking off on the play. Last one. And on Saturday, running, you know, the double probation play.

The double probation play. The Dean Warmer play. We're assuming those are blips and worthy of a good laugh with the movie. references. But noted by the coaching staff, those are things that they'd rather he didn't do, particularly not sliding. So last week, it's a perfect segue into this from Gary. Gary writes, Kevin, give it a rest. You always talk about competitors, and that's all Jaden was doing on that run. He's competing trying to get extra yards. It's what will come to love about him as much as anything else. And yesterday on the podcast and recaping the game, you know, if you watch that play very

closely, you can see Quinn. He is saying, get down. I feel differently about yesterday's play than I did last week's check when you asked me about it, because the check to the deep ball, there wasn't going to be a lot of risk. That ball was coming out in a hurry. He was going to lead Deami Brown down the field. You know, they didn't want him checking because they didn't want him to hit and they were in five wide, but he checked out of that screen because it was a dead play. I felt differently about the 13-yard run on Saturday night. That is, I'm, you know, I'm the biggest Jaden Daniels fan there is, and I talked a lot about why he took shots the last two years, and really some of the shots, I think, were lessened

from 2022 last year in 2023, and he does a good job sometimes of getting out of bounds and sliding. But the reason last year was he played on a team that absolutely needed them to score on every possession because their defense was so bad. But on Saturday night in a pre-season NFL game, you got to get out of bounds. Like I mean, I don't question anything with with respect to his judgment. And I certainly, Gary, don't question anything about his competitiveness. I've seen it. And, you know, by the way, it's a demeanor in his competitiveness that looks very smooth and cool. I mean, it's just the way he is. You know, he's got a lot of, I think, West Coast in him because that's where he's from.

But the play on Saturday night was not smart. Like, just get out of bounds. There's no reason to get tackled in that spot. The other zone read where he kept it and got stopped for no yard, I went back and looked at that play because I had somebody call me and say he made the wrong decision on that zone read, and I think that they are right. And so he took a big shot on that one. So last week you asked me about it, I didn't have that much of an issue. If you had asked me about that play, I would have said, yeah, I did have an issue with that. And I guarantee you the coaching staff

had an issue with that. Ben talked to Kingsbury, and Kingsbury said he will, he will, he will, in terms of getting down. But let me find the exact quote. He then said, We've harped on it. It's the unspoken. Go ahead. Kingsbury said, we've harped on it a lot,

but you love the competitive nature. It's just that there's a time and a place for it. Yes, you're down seven, regular season game, last drive of the game. This is it. And it's fourth and nine, and you got to go get the nine yards. course, not in the preseason game number two on your second drive of two drives in the first

quarter. I didn't love the decision there, but we'll see if he does learn because you can't take shot unnecessary shots at the NFL level if you're the starting quarterback. No, especially given the questions about his frame. Yeah. and his ability to take those big shots in the NFL. I mean, people are going to be covering their eyes sometimes when he takes off down the field during the game, looking in between their fingers to enjoy the play and hoping he gets out of bounds. So, yeah, this is something you're going to have to live with.

I wonder if he would have taken that chance. Do you think he felt he still had something to prove? or was it just his instinct to do that? Well, the instinct, I'm sure, is there, you know, to go get as many yards. But he's got to grow out of that instinct based on, you know, right time, right place, as Kingsbury said. That's the bottom line. I mean, of course you want your quarterback to be competitive and to go for it when it's appropriate to go for it. You know, regular season, let's start with that.

You know, regular season's second half and you're down three on a final drive in it's fourth and five, and you need to get five yards, and you're going to take a big hit doing it. You've got to do that. I mean, it's about being a competitive badass, which I think he is and going for it. But you just have to have better judgment in preseason game number two. And again, I think the zone read he pulled in the first drive where he got to. nailed for no gain. If you go back and look at that, he got hit hard on his shoulder. And those are the kinds of hits you don't want him taking in the preseason.

By the way, Quinn was asked if he'll play on Sunday night and he said, yeah, we're not sure. We're just giving you that he's a starter today. It's like they're trying to save, you know, these PR moments. He's got the, he's got the schedule down for this week, telling everybody that he's not going to play against New England comes on Thursday or Friday, not Monday. Because there's no chance he's playing on Sunday night from my standpoint. Yeah. I don't believe so.

No chance at all. So that's it. I mean, now we wait and see. I mean, once we get through the Sunday night game, which I'm going to go to, by the way, it's the only home preseason game this year. Why are you going to that game? Well, because again, it's part of my philosophy.

And even though I'm winding down a little bit, it's still part of my philosophy to be seen by the people who run the team. Yeah. By the coaching staff, by the players, just so they can't say you're never there. You know? They know who you are. And by the way, Ted Lianzis knows who we are. and I heard back from them. Did I tell you this?

I don't think I've told you this. No. No, you didn't. Yeah, so they have a new PR peep group that's handling them. I don't know if you knew that or not. And in the past few years, it's basically been crickets every single time I've asked for them. And when it's been crickets, it's not that they don't respond. They respond with, tell me when, where I'll get in touch with them, and then it's

crickets. And then it's like, hello, and they're like, yeah, he, he, he, he's not going to be available. But really appreciate your interest, maybe try back, you know, down the road. But this group got right back to, to me. And they basically, I mean, he's not coming on anytime soon. But, but they, Ted said, according to their PR person, he would be happy to come on the show. His schedule is just tight the next few weeks, and they would like us to consider the possibility of having them on shortly before the cap season begins, which I think is September, October, some October usually. And I said, of course, we would love to do that. So we, I put it, I put it as a reminder in my calendar to reach out to them, I think mid-September. And, and

and try to schedule something with Ted. And look, even though, even though, as you and I both know, much of our audience would prefer other content during football season, I think we can make room for him, don't you? Oh, I think so. I think we can. Because, you know what? What?

You know what? We could ask them, we could ask them, what was it like to be the supposed big dog in town and watch everyone get excited about who's going to own the football team, and he wasn't part of it. Is that your opener? No, no, no, no, no, no. But I always thought that.

I always thought, you know, because Tedd, he talked about buying the baseball team. I'm not suggesting that he would be interested in the football team, but he had become the premier owner. in town. And he had to watch while others were getting all the attention. And there's some people with egos who don't like that. Why, I wonder why Ted wasn't a part of a group to try to acquire the football team. I think part of it, if I'm wrong about this, I'm wrong about this. It's coming from a place of ignorance. My hunch is that there are certain people in categories much, much higher on the wealth scale than Ted.

Ted is very wealthy. Don't get me wrong. And once you become a billionaire, it's like, who's counting? But, you know, some of these hedge fund guys are many, many, many times over, you know, billionaires. And so an NFL franchise, like Washington when it came on the market with a $6 billion price tag may have been, outside of his ability without putting together a large group. Look, Josh Harris had to put together a large group to get it done. I know. I know.

There's another possibility. Yeah, go ahead. Maybe Dan would have never sold it to Ted, and Ted knew that. Well, I mean, I guess Ted didn't, wouldn't, look, we could talk about this with Ted. And there'd be a lot to talk about with Ted. Of course. Okay. I mean, there's true.

I mean, not the least of which is. I mean, it's all started because of his ridiculous pitch about the Olympics, you know, which I shot down on social media. I'm sure he doesn't think so. But that's how this started. But, you know, that'll be like a distant memory by the time the cat season. Oh, no, no, no, no. We're not going to forget.

Oh, I know we're not going to forget it. But you know what we really want to talk to them about. What do we really want to talk to them about? What do we really want to? The basketball team. Yeah, I mean, I do. I mean, but not everybody that's listening would want to hear so much about that. Actually, I think it is very interesting what you brought up.

I never thought about it. I don't think we ever really talked about Ted not being one of the, you know, reported groups interested in acquiring the football team. I'd like to know why. Like the NFL, I mean, it's very possible that Ted got a copy of the book, you know, the initial, you know, book that went out from Bank of America, right? It was Bank of America that was the bank that the Snyder's used. Right. I think it was. And so it's, you know, they put together some sort of book, you know, and maybe Ted, you know, went through it and said, there's no effing way.

I would ever pay this much money for something that looks like this because I was told by people, and I've mentioned this before, that people that got a hold of the prospectus, that, oh my God, I mean, the way he had run this business down was just incredible. But I think what Josh Harris always saw, and I think others did too, you know, for Tata and the other people, I can't remember. The Duke basketball player, of course, was a legitimate buyer. Davis, right? Davis? Why am I blanking on his name? Brian Davis. And so I think what, you know, after getting that prospectus, you know, Josh Harris actually put together his own prospectus to pitch limited partners on coming in with him on the deal.

and one of the biggest parts of that pitch was once Dan is gone, these numbers turn around just because he's gone. The amount of new customers, the amount of old customers that come back, revenues will skyrocket once Dan is gone. I wonder whether or not they've hit some of those numbers now that Dan's been gone a year that they had projected based on him going away. but I think it's interesting that Ted was never at least reportedly a part of anything. I mean...

That's true. You know what? It may have been? What? I remember a couple years ago when he was pitching his in, you know, the arena football league. I remember him making one of his proclamations that's saying, you know, indoor sports are what's in. Outdoor sports, no one's paying attention to that anymore. It's indoor sports now.

You know? I know. I know. Now, of course, he wants to buy it. We've been hammering that for a while, you know. But he's, you know, the baseball team is worth $2.2 billion. Did you see the Sportico? We didn't talk about this, I don't think.

Sportico came out with their valuations on sports teams. Do you know that the wizards and the, I got to find the list here, valuations. Sportico came out with their, you know, it was all, it was every baseball team, every hockey team, every football team, NBA team, and also MLS teams. The MLS teams, you know, brought up the rear clearly. But the Wizards were worth $3.3 billion. The caps are only worth $1.4, I think it was, or 1.6. And the Nats were worth $2.2 billion.

I mean, that's obviously the NBA versus the NHL, but I would have never guessed that the Wizards would have been close to three times the value of the capitals. And, you know, I think it was $1.1 billion more than the Nats were worth. I thought that was interesting. Well, it's that NBA TV money. It is the NBA TV money. money. It's the NBA international audience, you know, value. I mean, if the Wizards ever, you know, were up for sale, Ted would make a boatload of money off selling the Wizards.

You know, he really would. He'd probably make a boatload of money selling the capitals, too, with what he paid for those two franchises. And I forget what the numbers were, but the NBA values. I mean, Golden State's the second most valuable sports franchise to the Cowboys. according to Sportico, they're worth more than the Yankees. And you know, that's amazing because that is all Steph Curry. It really is. It really is. I mean, but that was a dog franchise, a dog, wizard-like dog franchise for 20 years.

Yeah, it was. It really was. All right. Find out what you thought of the game since you watched it on tape afterwards. Maybe you broke down the tape. I've got a few more thoughts on it as well. We have not talked about RG3 together getting fired at ESPN. I don't think we have, have we?

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action from Jayden. Right? No. It's a very good observation, Tommy. It's been all quick game, basically. Yep. I mean, yeah, it's not been that, you know, five or step drop, you know, looking for, looking, you know, looking off your receivers, which, look, I'm all for spoon-feeding

a young quarterback in preseason. I'm not saying it's a bad, and remember, well, you know, from the Shanahan, a good coach doesn't show you 70% of the real stuff that they want to show you during the season. So I understand all that. It's just that the question of protection in past plays like that is still a question that hasn't been answered. Yeah, it hasn't been answered. We don't know what they're going to look like in pure dropback. And in the NFL, you will have pure dropback.

When you're in third and long, you know, you can run quick game. You can run bubble screens on third and nine. But more times than not, the best teams in the league have a quarterback that can drop back, you know, deep into a pocket, step up and, you know, go through progressions and make a throw beyond the sticks for a first down. Look, I don't think we were seeing anywhere near what Cliff Kingsbury has in store for the regular season. Jaden Daniels was one of the best deep ball throwers we've seen in college football in years. They're going to take shots. I think during this preseason, the reason we saw a lot of line of scrimmage, a lot of, you know, screens, a lot of quick outs, quick hitches, is because they don't want to put them at risk and they don't want to show anything. You know, the things that we saw that I think were indicative of things we'll see in the regular season, I think we saw.

I think we saw, you know, no huddle. We saw up-tempo. I think this is, I think he's going to put a lot of trust into Jaden. I also will just point out if I didn't do this on yesterday's show, if you go no huddle or loose huddle, you give the coordinator more time to communicate with the quarterback. You know, they shut that communication off at 15 seconds on the play clock. So if they're at the line of scrimmage, Cliff Kingsbury has, you know, the ability to communicate with him for a little bit longer.

but we saw that. I can't imagine that's a head fake in terms of what we're going to see in the regular season. We saw Brian Robinson, Jr. get eight carries in two games. I think that's very indicative of what he wants to do. I think he wants to take the pressure off the quarterback with a solid run game. I think we saw, you know, dual threat stuff, zone read stuff. That's clearly going to be a part of the offense. But in terms of the pass offense, no, I don't think we're.

we saw anywhere near. I can't imagine we're not going to see a lot of play action and some shots. I can't imagine we're not going to see, you know, especially with that run game, some bootleg with him getting out onto the edge. So I think a lot of the past game, they're saving, as they should, as they should. But, you know, I mentioned this on the podcast yesterday. You know, all you got to do is look at Bill Walsh's teams, you know, with Montana and with Steve Young, You can quick game your way to a lot of wins and a lot of rings in the NFL. You got to have a running back. You've got to have a running back.

You've got to have a Roger Craig like running back. And you've got to have a really good tight end. It really helps to have Jerry Rice on your team too. And guys like John Taylor, yep, and Brent Jones, et cetera. But no, I mean, you can do that. I pointed out yesterday, you know, the offensive line last year, let's just, if we want to just say it, it was 50-50. It was 50% Sam and Eric Bianamy, 50% the offensive line. I don't believe that.

I think it was much more weighted on Sam and Eric Bianami than it was the offensive line. But even knowing it's 50-50 going in that you got a quarterback that's not great in drop-back throws, we talked about this. multiple times last year. They looked good when they went to quick stuff against Philadelphia in two games, against Seattle, and I'm forgetting the other games. And it was like, okay, this is what you have to be. And then the next week, the coordinator would just drop them back and he would get murdered. It made no sense.

At one point, I remember, and I forget what game it was. It may have been the Buffalo game, which was early in the year. when Sam took an absolute beating, and I came in here that next day, and I said, this is on the offensive coordinator. This was an irresponsible NFL offensive coordinated game. You had no chance dropping this poor guy back. This was the game he got sacked like nine or ten times, remember? And threw, I think, five picks.

Did he throw five picks in that game? I need to pull up the box score. Yeah. And they left him in there, and they kept dropping him back, and I'm like, This is terrible. But then he answered, I forget if it was the next week against Philadelphia. And look, young quarterbacks no matter how talented and no matter how gifted. And Jaden Daniels is 10 times as gifted, all due respect to Sam Hal than Sam Hal.

You know, he has size advantage. He's got quick release advantage, although I always liked Sam Hal's arm. Like I think Sam Hal has a good arm and a good, you know, quick release. but he processes very quickly. And you still want to take the pressure off him in his rookie season. That's why I am convinced Brian Robinson Jr. is going to have a big year. We're going to see a lot of what we saw in Griffin's rookie year. We're going to see a lot of what we see with the Ravens.

There's going to be a lot of dual threat stuff. By the way, that makes it easier for their run game with Brian Robinson Jr. I think we're going to see a lot of Echler. and we're going to see a lot of Ertz. We're going to see a lot of John Bates, you know, the big targets. And we're going to see a lot of quick game, too, because that takes the pressure off him, and it takes the pressure off the offensive line, which was the point of pushing it week in and week out last year.

But anyway, yes, good observation, but I think the net of it is he's saving all the good stuff for the regular season. Yeah, probably is. but that leaves going into the season, the pass blocking a question mark. Yeah. I mean, you know, again, they finished 14th in the league last year in pass block win rate per next gen. 14th, that's top half of the league. In the ESPN rankings of positional 1 through 32, I forget if I did this with you or solo at the end of the week.

Washington's off-ball linebackers ranked number one in the NFL. But the offensive line was ranked 20th. I think that's a lot higher than perhaps a lot of our fans think it is. I will tell you this, they are going to get tested in the first portion of their schedule because they open up with a Tampa Bay team who has a head coach who's been one of the best defensive minds in football for a decade and a half in Todd Bowles. They have excellent talent, you know, with Vita V-Veigh up front, with a veteran linebacker like David.

You know, Antoine Winfield Jr. is one of the best. They have them in week one. The giant defense, I'm telling you right now, Tommy, the giant defense is loaded. Offensively, major issues. And did you see Daniel Jones? His performance? But, you know, we'll see what happens when the games count for real.

We don't usually see that when he plays Washington. No, but the Giants have a good defense. Week three, they're on the road for a Monday night game against Anirumu, the defensive coordinator for Cincinnati, who's excellent, and some good players on defense. Then two weeks later, they have Cleveland. They may be the best defensive team in the league with Greg Williams, And then Baltimore in back-to-back weeks.

So Tampa, Cleveland, Baltimore, New York, Cincinnati in the first six games, they're going to get tested with not only good defensive teams, but coordinators who have really given young quarterbacks a problem over the lifetime of their careers. So get ready for some real ups and downs over the first six weeks, I would guess. And that's okay. Good. Get them tested. And by the way, they have Pittsburgh on the schedule.

They've got Dallas's defense on the schedule twice. The Dallas defense should still be good. Zimmer's a hell of a defensive coordinator. New Orleans's defense is outstanding, at least on paper going into the year. So they've got some, that's the one thing about this schedule. And things can change when you get there, as we know. But they're going to face some good defensive minds and some talented defensive. teams on their schedule this year.

So keep that in mind as we head into 20, 24. All right. So I think I talked about this the other day. I may have said I'll save it for when you're on the show next. Pretty sure we didn't talk about this. Pretty sure we didn't. But RG3 was fired at ESPN. Sam Ponder went with him.

She of the game day show, the pregame show on ESPN. She had been the host of that for a few years. They called it financial-related cutbacks. But according to Andrew Marshand, Griffin's getting the final two years of his contract paid. So they cut him loose with two years left on his deal and they're going to pay him. That seems nuts to do. But I think I weighed in on this last week, and I'll do it again here with you, but why don't you go first? Well, I think it illustrates how insufferable he must be to be around.

I mean, for one thing, he got kicked off the Monday night football broadcast. I didn't watch him in college football. You said he was good. I think he is good at that. Yeah, I think he's good at what he was. doing, and they still could stand to have him around. They just, they

kill, they'd still, they'd be willing to pay him for two more years to leave. This is what he does. He's an insufferable guy. He has not gotten over the idea that the world doesn't revolve around him.

You know, and I know this was, this was a cheap shot, but I don't have very much problem with it. You know, his social media account, he had started doing this thing where he said, he'd say, like, commanders fans, this is a safe space. Oh, yeah. No, we talked about that.

We talked about the safe space thing, yeah. Well, when he got fired and they posted it on Twitter, I posted it. I said, I guess ESPN wasn't quite a safe space, was it? You did? Yes, I did. Why do you do that? That's just assholeish. Well, because he deserves it.

Oh, come on. That's just mean. Who does he think? Who does he think he is? Who cares? Who gives a shit who he thinks? Everybody understands he's an insufferable human being probably to be around. No.

I don't think everybody does. You know what? You're right. Clearly not everybody does. Because when that news went out, I think, I first, I think, I, Forget who reported it. But I was looking at a lot of the reactions, just the notification. I would say it was 50-50 on people saying, oh, my God, that's a terrible thing. He's good.

And I think, I think, you know, we're too close to it. You know, I'm not saying we're too close to it, and therefore our opinion isn't spot on because I think it is. And by the way, we're closer to it for a lot of reasons, as you know, in terms of, you know, how he was received at ESPN. I think that you nailed it. I think that there's a short shelf life with this guy because the bottom line is he wants to bring all of the attention to himself, as he has done since the moment we met him in 2012, unless you were a college football fan before.

And he's been hashtagging his way through the last 12 years, and he hasn't gotten it through his head yet, that it eventually wears things. on people. With that said, he's got an amazing social media following on Instagram and on X on Twitter. I would imagine he's making really good money off his social media presence. And what does he care? You know, I mean, I think at this point, I don't think he's ever going to understand that it's probably about him, you know, versus. everybody else.

But I think you nailed it in terms of what happened there. If you pay somebody for two full years not to work for you, I mean, that's the Billy Bean line to David Justice. You know, the Yankees are paying you to play against them. Yeah. Yeah. And yes, I do think he was good as an analyst on games. I thought even last year, I was like,

waiting for the day in which I would say, okay, I've had it with him. Like, here we go. And yes, he is animated and there's a lot of stuff that he does to try to bring attention. But here's the thing when you're calling a game as an analyst. You're not on camera. You're just hearing the voice. You know, there are only so many things you can do to bring attention. And it was clear he was a good analyst and he would really get in.

to the games that he was broadcasting. And so focused on a game that's going on in front of them, I would have just said, hey, we're taking you off, you know, Monday night football. That was announced a few weeks ago. We're taking you off all of the other talk programs, you know, all the other, the Greenberg show and all the other ones he did. But we want you to keep calling games for the next two years of your contract. I don't know why they don't have them doing that.

Maybe the... Well, why? What if they did do that? He said, no. I want the attention. Well, no, he didn't quit. He didn't threaten to quit. He got fired. You got fired? Yeah.

You know, I mean, and what I've said is probably going to come true. I've been predicting this for a long time. His next arena is the political arena. Politics, yeah. Yes. Yes. He will run for political office, and he'll win. Well, he, I've said this. many times over the years.

And you disagree with me on one front. I think he's innately intelligent. I think he has incredible communication skills. He has a bit of charisma to him because he is animated and he's, you know, he's enthusiastic and he's, you know, he's what he is. I mean, it's not for me, obviously, but, you know, our perspective is jaded in a major way. but there is a market for that, I'm sure, in Middle America. You know, maybe New York, D.C., Boston, and L.A. don't love it,

but, you know, Topeka may love it. Or someplace in Texas, you know, some house district in Texas might like it. Yes, yes. You know what? He goes home to Waco. The Baylor kid comes back. That's his district right there. Yeah, I could see that, definitely. I could also see somebody picking them up to call games.

You know, I think... Oh, yeah. I mean, I tell you what, not just to call games, I'd say what, you know, because there's only so many jobs available. Right. And, but if he's still interested in being in the media with all the gambling, you know, websites and all the gambling networks that are available, do you think he'd take a step in that?

I have no idea. I mean, there are jobs. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? Good luck to you. Good luck to him. Your tweet and I'm reading it right now.

It's just mean-spirited. No, it's not. Yes, it is. It's just such an unnecessary cheap shot. You love to do that. It's entertaining. I'm not saying it isn't. But it's a cheap shot.

It's not a cheap shot because the guy, I was insufferable with the safe space. Well, he's not very self-aware, Tommy. We've known that for a while. Is that my responsibility? No. Make a more self-aware? No, but I just...

So I guess ESPN wasn't a safe space. I mean, why didn't you put a laughing emoji next to that? I don't do emojis, I'm not like you. All right. Colt McCoy, who, by the way, knows we're all... all the bodies are buried. Whenever they do the 30 for 30 on Griffin, Colt McCoy will be the guy that the producers are going to need to go to. You know, Colt, Rex, obviously the Shanahan's, but Colt was really the guy in between RG3 and Kirk, you know, because...

He was in those quarterback rooms, absolutely. Oh, yeah. And I don't think, I mean, I think I I know enough to say this. I don't think Colt was a fan of either one of the quarterbacks, Kirk or RG3, but in part, Colt was competing with them. But he knows where all the bodies are buried. And Colt McCoy today officially retires from football, and he will be on the Big Ten Network on NBC.

I'm sorry, it's not the Big Ten network. He's joining NBC. as part of the Big Ten football coverage. So Saturday nights NBC last year started with Big Ten games, and he's going to be a part of, you know, the game analyst for that countdown show that they do before the 7.30 8 p.m. NBC Saturday night Big Ten game. I think he'll be really good at that. I mean, he's very – now, unlike the gentleman we were just talking about,

about, Colt's very likable, and everybody likes Colt. So hopefully he'll be good at this. I always felt like he was a good interview, didn't you? Yes. I always felt like he was a good, absolutely good. I mean, you know, we know, everybody knows the story. It was after the Tennessee game when he came into the game, when he came in for Kirk and led him to a comeback victory.

I think both of us were in tears at the post-game press conference because he was so emotional. You know? And that was it. That was love at first sight. Yeah. You know? Oh, my God.

And, you know, really, he, look, he owes his basically revival of his career to Bruce Allen. Bruce Al was his guy. Bruce was the one who brought him there. Yeah, but Jay loved him. Jay loved Cole. I know Jay, I know Jay. Well, to know Cole was to love him. But Bruce is the guy who was his big.

biggest shoe eater. Yeah. I mean, it's funny because I've talked to Jay a lot about Colt, and he's like, you know, he has said before, he's like, look, I never, you know, it was never close between him and cousins in 2015, but Colt was just a guy that was totally reliable, you know, and he could come in for you. He was always going to be prepared.

He was a total pro. And I do remember that Tennessee game because you know who shit the bed in the first half, you know? And Colt came in and he threw that little bubble screen to Pierre. I think it was the first throw. Pierre took it like 80 yards to the house. And it wasn't that he was, you know, phenomenal throwing the ball down the field necessarily because most of the yards came on that one throw at the line of scrimmage.

But he gave him a big boost. And the next week was the Dallas Monday night game, I think. I think it was the next week. The Cowboys Monday Night game was next week. Epic. That was his greatest game. Absolutely. The game of his career.

Yes. Yes. In Texas. Yes. It was phenomenal. As a 10-point underdog. Yes. Oh, my God.

He was phenomenal. He made that play on 4th Down where he ducked pressure and extended and threw it to. I think Jordan Reed. Here, I'm pulling up the box score of that game. Let me just real quickly see what the Tennessee game. was the week before. The Tennessee game, so the Pierre Garsohn touchdown was 70 yards, but that was like one play bubble screen to the house. He ended up off the bench in the second half, 11 of 12, a touchdown. He took two sacks, but they came from behind. They were down 10 to 6

at halftime, and they won the game 19 to 17. And yes, it was the next week. At Dallas, it says here, they were nine and a half point underdogs, Monday night football. Colt McCoy, 25 of 30 for 299. He had an interception in the game, but he had a rushing touchdown in the game. He also fumbled in the game. I didn't remember that. But they won that game 20 to 17 in overtime. That was an absolute stunner.

And then the next week, RG3 was back and healthy. and they started them at Minnesota instead of letting Colt take. And they, and RG3, it was like a few weeks later was the Tampa, the infamous Tampa game when basically Chris Cooley walked in on Monday and said, I can't do a film breakdown of the offense. And Andy and Steve said, why not? And he said, because the quarterback was so bad that it would be unfair to evaluate everybody else in that game.

Yeah. Well, good luck to Colt. I'm sure it'll be good. Yeah. He had some other good games, too. He had some good games in Arizona. You know, he played for Cliff Kingsbury. He was the backup for Kyler Murray. And the year that they went to the postseason, Kyler Murray got hurt in the middle of that season. and Colt came in and they went two and one with Colt. He had a game against Seattle where he was 35 of 44 for 328 and two touchdowns. Wow. You know, he played a lot.

So I kind of forgot that he played last year for the Cardinals. He had a couple of good games last year. Well, good for him. I think he's definitely, you know, got something to share, you know, media-wise. Look, these quarterbacks, if they, can communicate and they can do so that, you know, it's easy for the average fan to understand. They have so much to offer. Because let's face it, when you're watching a game, the evaluation of the quarterback by the

analyst and the offense in particular is usually at the top of the list in terms of what people are interested in hearing. Because it's so influential and impactful on the final score of the game. and yeah, I'm making a note to try to get him on the show because I've tried recently, and when I hear back from him, he's like, I can't do it. You're the one that knows him much better. Have you had any luck getting him on doing anything with him? I have not.

And actually, I even know his dad. Yeah. And I haven't heard. His dad emailed me a couple of times over the years. No. All right. When we come back, Tommy had some breaking news last week on our football franchise. We will get to that and more right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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Well, then that's not a man cave. Then that's not a man cave. That's true. Yeah. Well, you know what? Shelly's is? Shelly's is a man palace, then. It's not just a man cave. It's a man palace.

Not to say there aren't women around. There's a good share of women who come to Shelly's who also like smoking cigars as well. But smoking a cigar on a Sunday afternoon, watching NFL football or Monday night. Monday night football. You know, they've got these eight high-definition TVs spread all throughout, you know, the rooms there at Shelly's. They've got great. comfortable seating so you can watch these games. And they have a great staff at Shelly.

They have probably the best bartender in D.C. in Tony, behind the bar, who knows football. Okay, so he can talk to you about football. He's not some kid at Buffalo Wild Wing who knows about his fantasy football team. Okay? This is Tony. This is Tony. Tony, Tony, who knows football. So if you're in, if you're in Shelly's and you want to talk football, you talk to Shelly,

you talk to the bartender, the best bartender in D.C., and it's just, I love watching football at Shelly's background, usually Thursday nights. I'll watch the Thursday night game because I teach Thursday nights nearby at Georgetown. You know, of all the sports to watch, football seems to be the most enjoyable at Shelly's. It just seems to fit in with the cigars. with the drinks, with the whole atmosphere. Well, look, Buffalo Wild Wings, if you're listening, I still am interested in having you be the 2024 sponsor for the smell test.

So don't let Tommy's words, you know, distract you from how much I love Buffalo Wild Wings and the conversations I can have there with some of the people. That's funny. Shelly's great conversation, always with everybody that is there. And you can find out more. You go to shelley's backroom.com. All right. So what was the news that you had last week that you broke?

Well, while you were in Ireland, I broke this. And I just kind of, and this is on me for not bringing it up to you. It shouldn't be your responsibility to bring up my news. But I reported that that week you were in Ireland that the commanders are seriously looking. it's a moving training camp to Shepard University in Shepardstown, West Virginia. Yeah. Very familiar with Shepard University. I was just up there about a month and a half ago at a family reunion, Tommy.

I've told you this before. My father and his wife who lived primarily in Florida for like nine months of the year, they have a house up in Shepardstown. It's actually a beautiful home overlooking the Potomac River up there. It's actually a great little. It's only an hour and ten minutes away from, you know, D.C. or the immediate suburbs around D.C. And we have a lot of listeners up in Shepherds Town, West Virginia. We have heard from them over the years.

And they've had a powerhouse division two football program for years. Yeah. Yeah. Well, apparently Adam Peers made some kind of connection, personal connection with some of the people at the university, and they've had some discussions about holding training camp there, and it's gone as far as Dan Quinn going out there and touring the facility. Now, I don't know what stage they're at. You know, when I put this to the team, they just basically said, we're looking into all options for future training camps,

so they acknowledge they're looking into a training camp other than where they are. okay, at that facility in Ashburn. But, I mean, it's pretty serious, as I understand it. The coach... And that's about 40 minutes away from Ashburn, right? Yeah, exactly, because you just go up... Yeah. You go up 15, I think, just 15 to 40 and probably into Shepardstown that way.

The football coach up there is Ernie McCook, and he's been there for about six or seven years. He is 53 and 13 as the head coach there since taking over in 2018, 31 and 7 in their conference. And they have been to the NCAA Division II playoffs in four of the last five years. and they got to the semifinals in 2021 and in 2022. They've been a big-time D2 powerhouse for a while now. So that would, let me just say, that's much closer than Carlyle. Like if you were thinking about going to Carlyle or Richmond, the two places in which they have spent time away from Ashburn,

you know, Richmond's two hours, Carlisle's two hours. Shepard is literally based on where you live in the area, anywhere from 35, if you live in Frederick, it's 30 minutes, you know, 35 minutes to get there to, you know, maybe an hour 15 if you live in the heart of the city. So that would be a lot easier. And it's lovely up there, actually.

Yes, yes, it is. All right. What else today? What else did you have for me? That's all I can. My granddaughter went back to Spokane today. My wife took my granddaughter back to Spokane today. And how did that end up working?

I was pleasantly surprised. That's great. She really has matured and was an actual pleasure to be around. It's bound to happen. You were a little impatient the last couple of years. Yes, I was. Yeah. You know, I guess it was a safe space for her.

here. Well, you know, you're really good at creating safe spaces. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, you tweet about it. I'm the master of safe spaces. Real quickly, one of the pieces of news today was that Jordan McGee, the linebacker, that they've been very high on all offseason, all training camp. He had a knee procedure, but the injury is not season ending, but it doesn't sound like he's going to be ready for the first part of the season. But they, I think they're excited about him as a player. And then because you pointed me in the direction of your social media, I just wanted to end on this because you tweeted out this centers list, the five greatest centers according to, I don't know what it is, according to.

According to Trump, wow. Yeah. And number one was Kareem. Number two was Wilt. Number three was Bill Russell. number four was Shaq and number five was Elijah one. And you quote tweeted, which one of these supposed top centers never led the league in rebounding? Well, I know the answer to that because I know the center that you don't think deserves anywhere near this level of consideration for the greatest of all time. And that is Shaquille O'Neal. You're just not a Shaq guy at all. I mean, I just, again, if I have the big man, I expect them to do it all, which includes

rebounding. And not only did, he never led to the league in rebounding. I think he's like 50th on the all-time list per game. Really? He's way down there, yeah. He averaged like 10.9 rebounds per game over his career. I, you know, we've done this list so many times over the years where we, you know, do our, you know, of all-time NBA teams.

And I keep that, you know, on my rundown that I have. I keep a bunch of things that I, you know, list that I can go back and refer to. So I don't have to start over when we have these conversations. But, you know, I have always felt Elijah Juan is underrated. And I've always had Elijah one in front of shack. You know, I don't, I don't, I am sure that Russell, Wilton, Kareem, you know, are the top three, you know, in some order. My father is convinced that Wilts the greatest, you know,

the greatest center ever in terms of just being able to do it all. I didn't see Wilt. I didn't see Russell. I certainly saw Kareem, you know, and some of Kareem that I saw was more in sort of the middle portion of his career towards the end of his career. But I just think Elijah won in terms of the combined threat that he was offensively and defensively, just to me, will always be ahead of Shaq. It's not that I don't

think Shaq was great. Shack was such a force, such a physical dominating force as a player. And I do think that Shaq is in that consideration of, you know, top five, top six centers. I mean, it really depends on what you want to do with Duncan. Because if you consider Duncan to be a center, then you could make the case that Duncan goes in front of Shaq, you know, behind Elijah one for me. But if you consider Duncan not to be a center but more of a power forward, I think I'd have Shaq Fifth. Well, not me.

I would consider Duncan a center. I mean, you would have Willis Reed in front of him. Of course I would. I take Willis Reed over Shaq seven days a week. You would take Dave Cowens in front of him. You know, that's a tough one. I mean, Callance, my God, Callance was such a force of nature. He was such a bundle.

I mean, he was, he was unbelievable. He had so much energy. He was so tough. I mean, it's just remarkable to have watched. And I hated him because he played for the Celtics. Right. Well, I wouldn't put Cowitz ahead of, I would put the guy who's got two, NBA finals MVP's ahead of Shaq.

Do you know who is fourth on the all-time total rebounds list? Rodman? It's Russell, Chamberlain, Duncan, and then LeBron. Really? And then Shaq. Oh, I'm sorry, this is playoffs. My fault. My fault.

These are playoff leaders. Rebounds career. Wilt 1, Russell 2, Moses 3, of course. Kareem 4, artist Gilmore, Elvin Hayes is still six on the rebound list. That's amazing, yeah. Duncan, Carl Malone, Parrish, Garnett, Dwight Howard, Nate Thurman, Walt Bellamy, West Sunseld's 14, Elijah 1's 15, and Shaq is 16 on this list. You have a lot of forwards on this list as well.

That's a total rebounds, not rebounds per game. All right, good job today. I will talk to you on Thursday. Okay, boss. I'll see you Thursday. I'll be back tomorrow. Diana Rusini will be on with me. Have a good day.