The Kevin Sheehan Show - Jacoby Short Of HOF Again

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

Kevin and Thom today opened with a variety of sports and pop culture topics. Then it was the annual Joe Jacoby missing the NFL Hall of Fame once again. The guys as they've done in the past, make their case as to why he should be in Canton. Thom had his Commanders-Vikings pick and Kevin had a "lean" but no "smell test" pick on tonight's big Lions-Cowboys game. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it, you don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show, here's Kevin. Tommy's here, I'm here. The show's presenting sponsor is always Window Nation, 86690 Nation or Windonation.com. Tommy, this from Red, Red writes, the NFL conversation yesterday was the best it's ever been. I think you both need a live audience to really cook. Yeah, we did have a live audience on Tuesday. We had John and Courtney in here, auction winners at Tommy's D.C. Gray's event back in May.

And we've had John and Courtney in before. They're great and it was fun. And I don't know that that's true, but I did say at the end of our conversation about other NFL games and other NFL teams, man, that's a lot of NFL for us to be doing together. So maybe it was the live audience that drove us to that. Yes, I'm sure we were inspired by their performance, by their attendance. Attendance, yeah, I don't know if they performed. I don't know what kind of performance you were talking about, but yes, their attendance was

nice. You know, I've said many times before that, you know, like people will say, how do you come up with what you're going to talk about? on the show. There's really no set formula because every day is a new day. I mean, it's not like, you know, I've made the analogy to anybody that's like selling a product or whatever for a living. You basically have the template, you've got the pitch down, and maybe you just tweak it a

little bit based on the client or potential client that you're calling on that particular day. Every day for us, the template changes. Like it can be a completely different show, and it depends on what's important to the audience. You know, is there a major, what we call in the trade, an A story out there that we have to talk about? Are there things that in the show you and I do together, things that are important to us? Because if they're important to us, usually we can get away with doing it, even if they're not important to the audience. But every day is a new day.

And I love talking about the NFL because I do think after the skins, it's the second, you know, most popular topic. It isn't the Wizards or Caps or Nats or any of the other local teams. After the skins, the NFL, any conversation about the NFL typically works to a certain degree. I would agree with that. You know, I shared with you a story from the class I teach. where one of the students wants to do a podcast and asked us how do we write the script for our podcast. Right, right, yeah.

I explain to him, well, I say hello to Kevin. He says hello to me, and then we start. That's pretty much it. We plan out subjects that we're going to talk about, but there's no script. We don't know which way the other guy is going necessarily. No, there's no script, but there's definitely

more times than not there's a plan but like this morning you needed to record the show this morning you have something that you have to do this afternoon which meant we couldn't record it in our normal time we typically Tommy and I typically record

the podcast within an hour after my radio show ends you know an hour to two hours after my radio show ends and he needed to do it this morning and you know we talked about a couple of things briefly And then I said, you know, I've got, I've got an email here that I read and I always kind of open them up shortly before the show begins because sometimes you guys give us the best ideas.

But, you know, back to just, yeah, I mean, it's, and then there's an idea of what we're going to talk about. We don't always, you know, follow that path. And typically we don't. Right. Yeah. I think we plan. There is one thing. Yes.

There is one thing I want to talk about on the podcast, one personal thing. Okay. It's the passing of a music icon. Steve Cropper. Say again? Steve Cropper. Okay. How do I know Steve Cropper?

Why do I know him? Well, he was a guitar player on the Blues Brothers. He was a guitar player with Booker T and EMGs, and he was a very influential musician and songwriter for Stax Records. he played on all of Otis Redding songs a Wilson Pickett songs he co-wrote sitting on the dock in the bay he co-wrote in the midnight hour

knock on wood great legendary musician he passed away at the age of 84 if you get a chance look up Steve Cropper I just did I was not familiar with Steve Cropper but every every artist that you mentioned that he played with I'm familiar with

You know, I asked you Yeah, go ahead He played with Booker TDMG's And I saw them play live at the 930 club About 15 years ago Wow Yeah One of the great bands of all time

And one of the really fun venues to see shows in I asked you this the other day As long as we're on this You know, more music or pop culture I you know Every once in a while you're just turning channels and I landed on HBO the other night, and there was this show about Paul Anka.

You're familiar with Paul Anka. Yes. Yeah, I remember growing up, my older sister had Paul Anka Records. Okay. Yes. So, I mean, I knew Paul Anka, the name. I remember, you know, hearing about Paul Anka. I did not know how prolific he was as a songwriter,

which really was kind of what this was about more than anything else. He was a performer himself. He was a singer. He actually did a ton of years in Vegas with his own act and with his own songs. But really, more than anything else, he wrote songs for so many others, including my way for Frank Sinatra and a lot of other songs for various artists. and he's now, I think, like, in his mid-80s, his newest wife, I mean, she's, she's gorgeous, she's got to be 30, maybe, maybe she's 30, I don't know, she might be in her mid to late 30s,

but the other thing in sort of deep diving on him after I watched this, and it's not a recommendation, it wasn't great, it was just, it was kind of, I landed on it and I, I like music, I was interested and you know, and you see a lot of stuff from the 60s and the 70s and whatever. But his son-in-law is Jason Bateman, the actor. Jason Bateman is married to one of his many daughters. He's got several daughters. In fact, I think it's five or six children overall, and they might all be girls. But Jason Bateman is great.

Don't you think he's a great actor? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's one of those actors who, in a way, like Billy Bob Thornton, he's just great at playing himself. Yeah, I thought you were going to compare him to Billy Bob Thornton. They're two totally different. Yeah, but Billy Bob Thornton plays basically the same guy in everything he does.

Yeah, right. But you can't stop watching him. Same with Jason Bateman. You know, I saw this series the other day a couple weeks ago about him, and I've, forget the other actor. They owned a bar in Manhattan, and I forget the name of it. And it was an okay series, but he was great in it.

And of course, Ozark is his classic. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. He was in a show in the 80s that I remember very well. It was an NBC show. It didn't last for long. But it was, you know, when NBC was in its heyday

with, you know, the Thursday night lineup of the Cosby show and family ties and cheers and night court or whatever was in that 930 spot. And he was on a show called It's Your Move. And it was, he had to have been all of like 15, 14 years old. And he was hysterically funny in the show. The show didn't last long.

But I think that may have been his big kind of, you know, debut as an actor. And of course, his sister, Justine Bateman, played Mallory on Family Ties with Michael Fox. for all those years. Wasn't he in the show? Wasn't Jason Bateman in the show with Alan Thick and that other woman, Joanna something? Oh, oh, oh, oh.

It was a popular show. It was like a family, family show. I could have it mixed up with somebody else. I mean, I know he was an arrested development, but I never watched Arrested Development. That was not Arrested Development, right? That was the name of the show, I think? No, that's not the name of the show I'm thinking of.

Okay, but I know he was in that. I never watched that. My wife did. She loves that show. Yeah, that was a funny show. Yeah, I don't know the show you're thinking about. I could be totally wrong. No, you probably aren't.

But great movies, too, obviously, over the years where he was, you know, super funny in movies like, you know, horrible bosses or, you know, what was, uh, was that movie with, um, the switch. He was in a movie, where he was in a show called the Hogan family. The Hogan family. Of course, with what's her face from the Mary Tyler Moore show? Yeah, uh, Valerie Harper. Valerie Harper.

Yes. I think he, did he play her son? I don't remember the show. I didn't watch the show. But, uh, I think that's the show with Valerie Harper. Yeah, he has three sons. I think he was one of them. Okay. All right. Um, yeah. Oh, you know the other movie and I'm just pulling up his movie, uh, filmography. The, the movie that he was in with Jennifer Garner and Elliot Page before, you know, Elliot Page became Elliot Page, the male, was that movie Juno, which was really good,

and he was excellent in that movie. Yeah. He was. He was really good also, obviously, with Vince Vaughn and John Favreau in couples' retreat. He was excellent in that movie. By the way, in that movie, no, I'm thinking of a different movie. I'm trying to think of the movie that Brooklyn Decker was. in.

Yeah, that's a different movie. By the way, he's a huge Dodger fan. He was on camera during World Series all the time. Yeah, he was. So Jason Bateman in the stands. He was. All right. Well, there we go.

You know, what I wanted to say about just the NFL and how it is, it's become, it is the number two. Like, when in doubt, when you do, do what we do, when in doubt, talk about, the skins. You know, when in doubt, if there's no obvious A story, if there's no obvious, you know, personal thing that you want to get into, if there's no great guests that you've got an idea for, just talk about the skins. That usually is the correct default. But the other being the NFL. And I say that, and I believe that to be true, but I also think most fan bases, is hardcore fan bases, and I would consider our fan base to be pretty hardcore, not as hardcore as it once was, to, you know, obsess and spend much of its time in its own team's

drama, its own team's games, all of the drama surrounding it. And sometimes, like, I feel like, you know, I mean, I love the league. I just, like, I can't wait for tonight's game. Now, part of it is because our season is essentially over. So they're going to be, it's a pretty wild NFL season with the number of teams that are still in the hunt and the oddness of it all. You know, the chiefs, the bills and the Ravens and the AFC potentially all missing the postseason. I mean, that would be insane. And, you know, the teams like Carolina in Chicago and the NFC and Philadelphia faltering, Dallas surging, and they're playing Detroit tonight, who is fall.

But there are so many great games coming up. And I love sitting down and watching NFL football. I love watching football in general. There's a comfort to sitting down and watching football. I don't think you feel the same thing. And I think it's weird. I concede that. But when there's football on television, it's on in my house.

and yeah, there are times where we won't watch whatever it is that's on because something else, you know, ends up overruling the football. But for me, it's always comfort to have football on. You know, I don't feel that, but my wife does. She doesn't watch it, but the background noise on a fall Sunday afternoon, that's part of fall to her. Yes. It's the sound of football coming from the table.

TV. You know what? I think my wife is the same way. Like my wife couldn't care less about sports in general. I mean, she's got three boys and a husband who love it and, you know, she's adapted over the years. But there's no doubt that her sense of fall as an adult and married to me and having the kids that she had now includes having football on the TV on weekends. On weekends, especially. Yeah, that's, I think maybe it's not as odd. I think it's definitely part of the fall ritual. Football's really become, you know, a part of the fabric of our country, so much more so than any other sport. Anyway, tonight's game should be a really good football game. I'll let you know in the final segment of the show as to whether or not there's a smell test pick on tonight's game.

but there are some games like Cowboys Lions tonight, the losers in big trouble. The Bengals at 4 and 8, believe it or not, go to Buffalo. And if they win, they're alive. If they lose, they're basically pretty much done. The Colts and Jags play a game for first place in the AFC South. Steelers and Ravens play a game for first place in the AFC North. The Bears and Packers are playing a game for first place in the NFC.

FC North. And then the game's Sunday night between the Texans and the Chiefs at Arrowhead, if the Chiefs lose, I think we are definitely looking at the first postseason since Mahomes became the starter without the Chiefs in it. And then we are definitely dialed in on Houston as a legitimate playoff and potential Super Bowl contender. I've already mentioned going back three or four weeks. I think Houston's legit. And if they get in, they've got a chance to win at all. And then Monday night, Eagles at Chargers, and the Eagles, both of these teams need to win. They're both very solidly in the playoff race. But the Eagles, you can kind of sense things slipping away a little bit. Two straight losses, you know, the drama in Philly. And they have

the Chargers on the road. They do have Washington twice and the Raiders to get back on track. But, yeah, this home stretch, the last five weeks of the NFL season, includes a lot of games that are going to be very meaningful. I know it's typically that way, but there's no clear-cut favorite right now in the NFL. There's no chiefs. There's no Eagles. You know, we thought the Rams might be emerging as that, and then they go and lose to Carolina. there's just right now a lot of combinations of Super Bowl matchups that make sense and don't make sense. Like I could see...

Unfortunately, Washington is involved in none of them. They're not involved in any of them. That is true. I mean, if they had just won the two overtime games in Madrid and on Sunday night and we're sitting here at five and seven, they'd be very much in the mix in the division. with two games left against Philly. But that did not happen at all. Speaking of talking about our own team,

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So, Tommy, the 2026 NFL Hall of Fame class will not include Joe Jacoby. Jake was among the nine semi-finalists for the senior category. That list was paired down to three finalists. yesterday, Ken Anderson, Roger Craig, and Elsie Greenwood, among those three that made it to the final round. They'll vote on it, Super Bowl weekend. By the way, Bill Belichick was the only coach of all of the coaches that were semi-finalists. That list included, by the way, Marty Schottenheimer and Mike Shanahan, among others. But Jake, not going to be a part of this class. There will be plenty of opportunities in years to come, and maybe it will eventually happen. I think it certainly should eventually happen, but go ahead, give me your thoughts

first. You know, I'm not even angry about this anymore because I'm just perplexed. I mean, I just don't, I don't get it now. Look, of the three finalists, the three players who got, who are finalists now, maybe Elsie Greenwood. has a case for being passed over. You know, Ken Anderson, he may be a Hall of Famer. He may not be. But if he's not in the Hall of Fame, I'm sorry. It's not the biggest travesty in the world.

You know, same with Roger Craig. Roger Craig was a great back. I think the first one that have a thousand yards rushing and a thousand yards passing in one season, pass receiving. part of those great 49ers teams but a lot of people think he was the

beneficiary of those great 49ers teams, not the catalyst. You know, and I don't want to even get into that, but again, his absence is not a travis, the L.C. Greenwood, I get it. You know, but Joe Jacoby stands out.

I mean, and you've pointed this out on social media. There were three tackled, offensive tackles named to the all-decade team. There were four tackles named to the all-decade team in the 1980s in the NFL. The other – Jacobi's one of them. The other three are in the Hall of Fame. Yeah.

So I just don't understand. I just don't understand how this – this is not front and center when this committee, whatever it's made up of, meets to discuss this. and people think, well, Ken Anderson has a stronger case than Joe Jacoby. Look, if Ken Anderson is a Hallfamer, then maybe Joe Dyson is a hallfamer. Ken Anderson, I think, had more, I'd have to look it up. I've always thought that Ken Anderson had more touchdown. Yeah, I've always felt like Ken Anderson had a case, but not an overwhelming case.

But he was a really good quarterback, and he had a real outlier season. I'd have to look it up right now. I think you mentioned it. He had 197 career touchdown passes. Zizman had 152, I think. Yeah. He was an MVP one year. So was Joe.

Joe was an MVP. Right. But Joe has a Super Bowl. Yeah, Ken Anderson had... Anderson does not have a Super Bowl. Yeah, he got to one and lost it to the 49ers. So one of the things, and I mentioned this on the podcast yesterday, what you mentioned, which is, you know, four tackles from the all-decade team in the 1980s.

Anthony Munoz is one of the greatest offensive linemen that's ever lived. Maybe the greatest. Yeah, no one would ever debate his candidacy for the Hall of Fame. He was an absolute lock. But the other two players from that 80s all decade team, the tackle position that are in the Hall of Fame with Munoz, Gary Zimmerman and Jimbo Covert. I'm sorry. Jake was every bit the player both of those guys were. And in the case of Covert, he just was a better player.

and a more accomplished player than covert. Zimmerman's a little bit different. Zimmerman's career stretched into the latter portion of the 90s. He was on that John Elway first Super Bowl winning team in 97 that was Terrell Davis, Mike Shanahan's run game, et cetera. That was his last year of his career. He was 36 years old, and he was not, you know, a high-level tackle in that final year. But he's got more Pro Bowls. He's got more first-team all-pros than Jake does. He's actually a member of the 90s all-decade team as well. Now, let me just say, I don't remember anybody saying during that era, Gary Zimmerman's better than Joe Jacoby. You know, I don't remember those conversations. I remember Joe Jacoby being more prominently featured as one of the best tackles in the game. Zimmerman and Jacoby stylistically and size,

wise were different. But Zimmerman's a different case than Covert. Covert, I don't know how he's in the Hall of Fame and Jake isn't. All due respect. I mean, Covert's career was, you know, five years shorter than Jake's. He played in like 60 fewer games than Jake did. He played in 10 fewer playoff games than Jake did. He had two Pro Bowls and two first team all pros. Jake had four pro bowls and two first team all pros. And here's the thing when you compare Jake to both covert and to Zimmerman. Jake played in 21 playoff games. All right, 21 playoff games. He basically had a second career in the postseason compared to those guys. Covert played in 11 and Zimmerman played in 13. So 10 more and 8 more than those two players from that all 80s

decade team. But more importantly, Jake was a part of an offensive line that led his teams to the postseason and to four Super Bowls winning three of them. Let's not forget, too, that two of the three all-time individual rushing performances in Super Bowl history are Redskin running backs. Timmy Smith still holds the record with 204 yards, Super Bowl 22 against Denver, and Rigo's Super Bowl 17166 yards is number three on that list. The one in between the two of them is Marcus Allen's 191 yards against Washington in Super Bowl 18. But Jake was a part of two of the three greatest rushing performances in Super Bowl history. Covert was a part of one Super Bowl team, the 85 Bears, which was not led,

by Jimbo Covert and the Bears' Offensive Line. It was led by Buddy Ryan's defense, the 85 defensive bears. You know, the greatest defense of my lifetime watching football, that's why they won a Super Bowl. Washington went to four and won three because of as much as anything else, it's offensive line, which was led by Jacoby. Let's also not forget, you know, LTs made the case for Jacoby. the greatest defensive player in my lifetime, I think, of all time.

Lawrence Taylor has said over and over again, Joe Jacoby was the best and he should be in the Hall of Fame. And, you know, Pro Football Reference does this approximate value thing where they assign a value to every player that's ever played since I think 1960. Jacoby had two seasons that were better than any season Zimmerman or Covert had from an approximate value standpoint. So, you know, look, Zimmerman's got a resume that is more accolade, you know, oriented than Jake's covert does not. And Jake just had a second career, his playoff career, that is much more accomplished than either one. of those two players. Here's something else, Tommy, that I found. In looking up the 1980s

all-decade team, there are 30 offensive players on that 80s-all-decade team. 25 of them are in the Hall of Fame. Jake's one of the five that is not. The other four are Roger Craig, who might be in the Hall of Fame, Bill Freilich, who was a hell of a guard for Atlanta.

And then Keith Millard and Dave Butts. I don't think anybody would try to make the case for butts to be in the Hall of Fame or even Keith Millard, for that matter. Although I haven't really looked up Mallard's resume, but I don't remember him being Hall of Fame worthy. But 25 of the 30 offensive players from the 1980s all-decade team are in the Hall of Fame. Jake's one that isn't, and I think he deserves to be. But that's nuts, isn't it? 25 out of 30? It really is.

By the way, his covert, didn't he pass away recently? I think he did. I don't know if he did or not. I'm pretty sure he did, like, recently, not that long ago. No, I've got it wrong. Didn't mean to kill off Jimbo covert. I think it was another Bears offensive line. But, yeah, I just, I think Jake, clearly, I know that people love this time of the year

when Jake gets excluded to bring up Brian Mitchell to bring up London, Fletcher, to bring up Larry Brown, to bring up, you know, other people. Jake's case is by far and away of the Redskins that are not in the Hall of Fame. Jake's case is the best. I mean, here's part of the problem. And I don't get it because I know the team has been working to try to help the lobbying efforts. I know Charlie Casterly has been a big part of the behind-the-scenes, you know, efforts to try to educate voters about the greatness of Jacoby. But, you know, in the Associated Press story, the AP story that ran, the last paragraph says among the candidates that didn't advance from the semifinal stage or two-time Super Bowl winning coaches, Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan, and George Seaford, Houston Oilers founder and key AFL figure Bud Adams and former AFL star receiver

Otis Taylor and Buffalo Bill's special team standout Steve Tasker they don't even mention Chikobi as one of the noteworthy oversight one of the noteworthy people who didn't advance that's a joke I mean to mention Steve Tasker and to not mention Jake but that's part of the problem

I mean, I just think that may be part of the problem. I just think, you know, he's, and I don't understand how he couldn't be front and center. He played in four Super Bowls. They were on TV all the time. Tommy, you know what, though? The Glory Year Redskins, Glory Years Redskins, they are, they were, even during those years, they were sort of overlooked a little bit. 49ers are considered the, you know, the dynasty of the 80s, the best team of the 80s. And I don't have an argument with that.

They were. The 49ers were number one. I think the Redskins were two. But I think the Bears, because of the 85 Super Bowl and the defense, and it's certainly one of the greatest Super Bowl champions of all time. And by the way, their general success in the 80s, even though they did not make it back to another Super Bowl, the giant success, the Cowboys, even though they did not go to a Super Bowl, They were in multiple NFC championship games.

There is absolutely something to, I think I felt that way during that period. You know, even through 91, the 91 Redskins are one of the greatest Super Bowl winning teams of all time. And a lot of the advanced numbers, you know, reflect that. But we haven't gotten a lot of those advanced numbers until recent years. You know, the DVOA number. They're number three all time, the third best team all time, behind the 62 Packers and the 2007 Patriots who did not win the Super Bowl. So the 91 skins in the Super Bowl era are the greatest Super Bowl winning team per DVOA.

And we've had other rankings that do recognize the 91 skins. But for most NFL fans, they would just say, Riggins and the Hogs. and we'll name the hogs. Oh, I do think Jacoby's the first one that would come to mind for NFL fans. I do think that's the case, even more so than Grimm. And Grimm was the better player at his position than Jake was at tackle, but not by much. Not by much. Yeah.

But do you agree with me that the Gibbs' glory years teams are, a little bit overlooked, and they were a little bit in the moment when it was happening. They snuck up on people every year. Yeah, take a bear. It's added a picture. Yeah. I was going to say, do you think it's because they didn't have a star quarterback? I think it's because they didn't have a swagger to them.

You know, the 49ers were the Bill Walsh 49ers, West Coast offense, Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, you know, major stars of the day. The Bears, we know what they were, the greatest defensive team in my lifetime. Even the Giants with LT, you know, and the NFC was loaded in the 80s, but in terms of numbers and success in championship games and Super Bowls and Super Bowl appearances, Washington's number two to San Francisco in that decade. But, you know, you think about it, like the 82 Super Bowl and the 87 Super Bowl were strike impacted seasons. There are a lot of NFL fans and even NFL writers that will say, yeah, weird years, 82 and 87, even though I think it's a credit to the organization that they were able to

keep everybody together and then create the SCAB teams that they created in 87, scab players and the team that they put together. But, yeah, Thysman, Thysman, a star, Tommy. I mean, his personality alone made him a star. You're right. Rigo was a major star, but Art Monk wasn't, even though he was one of the best in the game. The hogs were a unit. They were identified as the hogs. Defensively, Darrell Green was a star, but, you know, eventually players like Dion would be louder and more noticeable. Washington was a modest, humble organization.

They had a coach who undersold everything and then over-delivered consistently. Even the 91 team before the season started when Playboy magazine picked the skins to win the Super Bowl and Buck asked Gibbs about it. Gibbs went nuts. I mean, he's like, no, we're not very good at all. Why would you even say that?

I mean, every Sunday, Gibbs made you feel like you were the worst team in the league before the game started. I guess people believed it. I think there is something to the fact that as great as the Redskins from 82 through 92 were, and I include the 92 season because they did as the defending champions make it back to the postseason and win a playoff game before Gibbs retired in March of 93. I think that we loved them, we understood how good they were. We had the feeling every year that it wasn't a matter of whether or not they would be good. It was a question of how good, were they Super Bowl good or just playoff good?

I mean, even their bad seasons were 10 and 6. I mean, this is a team that missed the postseason twice in the 80s in 1985 and 1989 with 10 and 6. records. But I think that, you know, the 49ers, the bears, maybe even the giants, the cowboys to a certain degree, they were for NFL fans more exciting, more interesting than the Redskins were who just bludgeoned you at times to death. And also didn't, to your point on the quarterback, though, it's a good point because there wasn't a consistent star quarterback. It was Thysman. Then it was Doug Williams. And by the way, Jay Schrader, you know, quarterbacking them to an NFC championship game against the Giants that they lost in 86. And then, of course, Mark Rippin.

Whereas for the 49ers, it was mostly Montana before it became young. With the Bears, it was Jim McMahon and Walter Payton and that great defense. With the Giants, it was Phil Sims and Lawrence Taylor. So maybe that had something to do with it, too. That's probably true. but man, they were good. They were good. But maybe they've paid for it in terms of Hall of Fame because it took forever to get Art in. Daryl Green was just too obvious to ignore.

Riggins was obviously too obvious to ignore. But any sort of debatable case, even if it leaned in the direction of should be art monk, Russ Grimm, and now Joe Jacoby, maybe the, they certainly weren't anonymous, but they weren't star-laden in terms of, you know, NFL fans and NFL pundits of the day. I don't think. Anything else? No.

I just, I want him in the Hall of Fame. I just want Jake. For those of us that know Jake, too, he is truly one of the nicest people of former. players ever, ever, incredibly kind, incredibly generous. And he was a great player. He really was a great player. I mean, dominant as a left tackle. Dominant for an eight, nine years stretch. He deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. All right, we'll finish up with Tommy's prediction for the game on Sunday. And I'll let you know if I have a smell test pick for night's Lions Cowboys game after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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back room and enjoy a good smoke, Shelly's Backroom is the place for you. You can find out more at shelley's backroom.com. Wanted to mention real quickly, Sam Cosmy was interviewed in the locker room yesterday. I saw it on social media before we started to record this morning. I think it was Scott Abraham put it out. And, you know, this has been a constant theme here over the last couple of weeks.

And that is whenever you talk to players or you hear players interviewed, now I'm not saying that they wouldn't say this anyway. I think it's sincere. Cosmi said, normally when you have bad times like this, this, you have a lot of negativity. I just don't feel that in the building, which is a great thing. I mentioned on the recap of the Denver game that I talked to somebody who was in the locker room who said, and he's been in a lot of these locker rooms over the years of bad teams and bad seasons, and he said it's just completely different. There's an upbeat vibe. Quinn has nowhere near come close to, you know, losing the locker room. There's no backbiting.

There's no throwing people under the bus. It's just always a positive atmosphere, and people like to be here. And they feel like there's still a good team with some good football left. I don't know what's going to happen Sunday. In a lot of ways, I think that we're getting set up for a major disappointment on Sunday, if you want them to win, which I do. It just feels like the contrarian in me wants to punch back at myself and say, no, no, no, no, they're not that much better than Minnesota.

And they might not be. We'll find out. But I think this is an important closing stretch. I want to see this be a building block, even though there's typically not a lot that translates year to year. But I think it's important for them to prove to themselves what they believe to be true, which is we're really not a three and nine football team. much better than that.

So we'll see. What do you think? And we both said this, we said this on the podcast on Tuesday. We both think Jayden's going to play, right? I do. You know, we'll know. Quinn's not going to divulge it until tomorrow. You know, he has not been cleared for contact, which really, just so most of you know,

quarterbacks aren't contacted anyway, you know, in practice. So if he gets clear. for contact for Friday, then you pretty much know he's in. That would be my guess, and I think we'll hear it from Quinn after practice on Friday. That's my assumption, or before practice, whenever Quinn talks. So yeah, I think Jaden will be back, and he's back, you know, not against one of the top two defenses in the league, which is what their offense faced last week in Denver, but they're up against a good defense, and one of those defenses that does nothing. Brian floors, what he tries to do every Sunday, is confuse you.

That's what he tries to do, and he's been really good at it, and he's hyper-aggressive. Typically, that's where he leans. So it's crucial, obviously, that Terry and even Noah Brown and Burks, you know, they've got real receivers out there, and that they can run the football on Sunday. So what's your prediction? Yeah, I hate to say it, but it's going to be a close loss, and it'll be three and ten. 18 to 15 defeat. It'll be a game of field golf.

18 to 15. You got some weird scores in you this year. That might be a score of gami. It's not because there was an 1815 game a few weeks ago. Houston and Denver actually played an 1815 game. But 1815, Minnesota. All right. And Jake Moody will be.

the only hope the commanders have the score. Okay. Let's hope he comes through and doesn't miss any from 50 and longer, because that's why he's here, apparently. No smell test pick on the game tonight. I would lean under 54 and a half because there is a lot of overaction, but that number's kind of stayed there. There's not really a sharp side, one side or the other.

So I'll probably play under 54.5, and I may play Detroit, too. I just think there's a lot of cowboy talk right now. And I bet you when we see the pregame, you know, whoever's on set picking the winner of the game, I bet they'll all have the Cowboys tonight. So I think Detroit has a chance to win this game, but there's no official pick. I would lean, though, under if you need to have some action tonight one way or the other. All right, 1815 Vikings. Good job. I'll talk to you on Tuesday. Okay, boss.

And I'll be back tomorrow. Full Football Friday show with Jay Gruden's smell test picks and the like.