The Kevin Sheehan Show - Jayden Admits Broken Rib vs Bears

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Kevin and Thom today opened with their annual discussion on "Training Camp" fan declarations before turning to the on-going stalemate between Terry McLaurin and the Commanders. The boys gave their predictions on the outcome. Then they both reacted to Jayden Daniels admitting that he played last year with a broken rib against the Bears in the "Hail Mary" game. RFK reaction from the guys today since they didn't get to it last week before sharing details of their recent vacations and finishing with a Happy Birthday to Riggo!   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Window Nation, 86690 Nation or Windonation.com if you need new windows. I promised Tommy on my show yesterday after I got back that we would talk about the RFK deal together because I did not really talk about it. on the show yesterday. So we'll get to that before the end of the show. And I also said I'd save any vacation talk for you as well. And then you reminded me before we started to record, you had an interesting vacation weekend, an annual vacation weekend, but it was Bumstock recently. So we get to hear the Bumstock stories, which have become an annual tradition on this show. Yes. It was a great.

weekend with great weather. Is that it? Or should we just save it? Were there any fights? No, no fights. No fights? Anybody get too drunk? It was every now those days are gone.

Need for paddles on anybody? No, no, no. No, it's funny because we have gone from police to ambulance in terms of needs. But it was cool. We'll talk about it. Okay. All right. do some bum stock and I'll tell you about my trip to Mexico City and then to Costa Rica.

We'll do that before the end of the show. I'm going to read a couple of emails to get us started today. We're going to do a lot of Terry in the open today. This from Oscar. Oscar wrote me during the radio show this morning after I read an email from Randall, which I will read in a moment. but Oscar wrote, Randall forgot Josh Connerly Jr. is Trent Williams reincarnate, and Jacori Brooks looks like he can step in for Terry right away. Now, what Oscar's referring to is a guy named Randall, he basically put it all together in terms of what I missed last week. He said, Kevin, I compiled a list of the best tweets from fans about the first full week of training camp. Here's the summary.

Jalen Lane is Jerry Rob. Bill Merritt is the next Emmett Smith. And the only question with Trey Amos is, will he win defensive rookie of the year over Abdul Carter or just be a pro bowler? Oh, also, your guy, Cadron Madrano is going to be impossible to keep off the field. Cajrono's first name is actually Kane Madrano Randall. He is one of the draft choices that after they picked him, because I knew nothing about him before the draft,

I said, that guy looks like a football player on tape. But yes, thank you, Randall, thank you, Oscar. You know, I talked about this yesterday, Tommy. You know that, because we've talked about each other's vacations. I mean, Tommy typically summers for much of this, you know, of June and July and in Europe somewhere. It's been Spain many years. This year, not so much. And then he's always on the Jersey shore.

You know, he's always in the, you know, Florida, you know, Panama City, Florida, not Panama City. What's the town you're in in Florida? Destin, Destin, Florida, Panhandle of Florida. When I do the one big trip every summer, I have typically targeted the week last week as the right week to do it. Because with my wife, she's busy. August, it sort of slows up. Over the years, it's been a better month for the kids, whatever, even though it's not a full kids vacation anymore.

Not true all-family vacation. I've got adults for kids like you do. But I typically target that last week because I want to be here for the first, you know, three or four days of training camp. That's usually when you get Quinn and you get Peters and you get, you know, any sort of big news. and then the week before the first preseason week is usually a quieter week. And then you gear up for the first preseason game, second preseason game,

and I like to be back before the first preseason game. Well, last week was not what typically happens during that week. That was a heavy news week, big news week for DC sports fans. Lots going on. Yes, it was. A historic week. Yeah. Yes. wrote about some of it.

Yes. Yeah, I mean, basically, I mean, the stadium deal, you know, which I had thought was never going to happen here in D.C., but again, let me qualify that, that I was wrong about that, but only because I didn't realize that the district would give the commander such an attractive package. That really changed the whole thing. but yeah it passed the city council by a nine to three vote there were no fireworks you know there were there were no people protesting in the streets it seems like everybody was happy everybody was happy with

the outcome and uh the reality said in that the team's going to come home well you wrote and we'll get to this you wrote that there is one person to be crowned one person to be thanked more than anybody else. I think you actually got the wrong person, even though you have referred to her as my girl, as in my personal favorite girl, like in politics, Mayor Bowser, even though that is a bit hyperbolic. I do like her as a communicator and other things, but I actually think there is another person that is much more responsible for that. So we'll get to that, maybe in the next segment. We'll see. I want to go back to these emails because the week that I've typically targeted to take off the entire week, I like to be away for that week because I find it to be super annoying for the most part. And this year, I was following all the news on social media, which meant I couldn't help but get what Randall summed up for me and what Oscar added for me, which was a level of,

enthusiasm, unbridled confidence that Trump's even past summers. And it should, because this is the first summer where I think we've had the least amount of skepticism in all of the years we've been doing this together. Where is there any skepticism from fans? Fans are delirious already about everything. always, you know, a faux hope or confidence or, or enthusiastic, you know, sort of disposition this time of year. You're hoping for the best. You haven't played a game yet. But we always kind of knew that it wouldn't happen. And there was always some skepticism. Usually it was about the quarterback and the owner and the coach and others. But Tommy, I mean, Randall's not really, you know, exaggerating this. I mean, the guy

Chaucer, the Kroski Merritt, the seventh rounder from Arizona slash New Mexico, I mean, people already are baiting, they're suing them up for the gold jacket at this point. I know. This is...

I get this. You're right about everything you said, but, you know, I would urge fans, and, you know, you do what you want. You're a fan. I mean, you're a fan of a teen. You're a fanatic. That's short for fanatic, a fan. But, you know, try to be better. Try to do better. Okay? Right now you've got a situation where you've got a team to be proud of. There's no reason

to go off the rails. Okay? There's what a lot of fans don't do. They don't recognize the unknown. It's okay to say, these guys are interesting, but we don't know what they're going to do. No, they don't say that. that's not good enough. That's not good enough. They're projecting, you know, because they're all general managers, you know. And so they project that this guy, who they've never seen, play in an NFL game. Or a college game in most cases. Yes, most cases, you're right.

You know, maybe they get a glimpse of them a training camp from, you know, 300 yards away. So there's nothing wrong with being intelligent enough to, say, wow, these guys are intriguing. You know, the reports at a camp are positive, but we don't know. You know, embrace the unknown. Don't fall over yourself, Gini, and make yourself look foolish. You know, come the first game, and the guy you said who was going to be a Hallfamer is playing in the United Football League.

Yeah. No, it just doesn't happen that way. And look, you know, this is, I, we've both said the following before, and I think, you know, you'll feel the same way unless you've changed your mind. The people that are out there covering the team that do the play by play from training camp from the, you know, they're not tackling, they're in shells at seven on seven or 11 on 11. There's an audience for it. You know, I think it's, I still think it's a very small. portion of the overall fan base, but it's a very engaged portion, and they get a lot of views. They get a lot of responses. I don't have a problem with people doing that. I think it's absurd to actually consider it a learning experience and make declarations based on that. But, you know, I'm going to sort of switch because I've gone on this rant before. To me, it's so ridiculous, and nine times out of ten, the proclamations made in late July and August are embarrassing to look back on, especially with young players, when you get to even October or November. But why haven't, why not learn from that?

Why not learn from the past failures? There's probably a lot of new people now involved, you know, because the team's good. So I've definitely noticed, I don't know if you've noticed, a massive increase. in sort of social media accounts where, you know, not that they've built up any meaningful followings, but it's more than, say, 500 followers. And they're a big fan, they're big fans of the team. And, you know, they're going to attend some of those open dates and they're going to talk about what they see.

Anyway, it's a ridiculous, you know, like you said, you can try to be better. I don't have a problem with any of it. It just is annoying to me. Right. I don't either. I don't either. I mean, but. Look, enjoy yourself, have a party, but recognize that, you know, you look kind of foolish.

Now, maybe among your peer group. Yeah. Not the peer group that's really interested in following them, yeah. Yeah. Not because the guy next to you feel the same way. Right. But if you want to have some semblance of credibility, if that's important, important to you. Maybe it's not important to you. You know, and that's fine. It's not your business

to be credible. You're a fan. But just as a general human piece of humanity, if you want to have some credibility, don't be so, I mean, learn from what's happened in the past. Yeah. You know? Well, yeah, whatever. It just, it is, it is what it is. Here's what I wanted to get to, though. when we've talked over the years about, you know, when you've had to answer, not have to, but when we've answered, why so much, you know, Redskins, why so much football? Why not more NHL? Why not more caps? Why not more emphasis on some of the other teams? Well, the Canton Hall of Fame game on Thursday night between the Chargers and the Lions drew

6.9 million viewers, all right, the most in a certain number of years. I forget what it was. That blew away, basically the NHL finals, Stanley Cup finals ratings. And it topped several of the NBA, or at least one or two of the NBA finals games. Now, maybe it was just comparable to one or two of them. Not game seven where they did, you know, a ridiculous number in that OKC, Indiana, game seven. But it's just you're talking about appealing to the masses or appealing to a very niche audience, especially in a town like ours. Look at the reaction that, you know, training camp gets on social media. And the reason for that is football, more so than hockey, basketball,

and baseball, everybody feels like they are a GM or a coach, that they've got the capability of being that. Baseball is tremendous like that. I see it in baseball all the time. I mean, I have to differ with you on baseball. Baseball is because of the stats. Because of the stats. Okay, but I'm just saying the volume of people involved in our town.

Yeah. In our town. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I get that. Look, you have, and this could be part of the reason, baseball and hockey, we don't know what the NBA is supposed to be like in a city

because we've never actually experienced it in the past 30 years. So I'm going to stick to baseball and hockey are more local, regional type of activities. Okay, you can't, it's kind of hard to parachute in from another. part of the country and maybe get a grip on what's happening with hockey locally or with baseball. But every

put it in the NFL is a national, it's a national passion. You know? Yeah. And, you know, I mean, a lot of people have, you know, players on their fantasy team from teams

all across the country. Yeah. So, I mean, you could, you can move here from Pittsburgh and you've already known so much about the Redskins probably. Even if you were a Steelers fan. Now, if you're a Pirate fan and you move here, you probably don't know much at all about the Nationals.

So you have that NFL base that even though the down, horrid redskin years under Snyder, still made it the biggest show in town because it's the NFL. Here's what I will promise to all of you. During these preseason games or any highlights I see, and I'll probably be at camp for at least a day or two here over the next couple of weeks, I promise you I'm not going to tweet out any play-by-play or any declarations on any young player that will emerge as a star. Or the opposite will can't play.

You're just not going to get that from me, but just to be clear, those that do it, they do it because there is an audience for it. And in some cases, it's the biggest audience they get, you know, is putting stuff out during this time of year. I just find it, you know, actually alternately entertaining and annoying. funny because it's so it's a ridiculous exercise that every single year you can go back and just you know probably cringe with some of the tweets that come out this time of year and and then yeah and and annoying because when are people going to learn but I don't hold it against them but one again yeah what all that said all that said if you're enjoying yourself while you're doing that Yeah, if you're enjoying reading it.

Have at it. You know? Have at it. Go right ahead. But just know, you look kind of foolish. Yeah, but the other part of it, too, is I do think this summer's different. There's just, there's no skepticism. None.

I, nowhere. Have you? Well, no, I don't, I haven't come across. Okay. I haven't come across. If there's skepticism going to be at the box office this year? You know, social media is such a, you know, small part of everything. So I don't know.

I'm curious to see what happens. Social media is not going to impact me on making a prediction on whether or not they're going to sell out all their games, if that's what you're asking. Because I think the overall audience potential is much larger than what you see on social. media this time of year. That's what I would say. I wanted to add one other thing just about hockey is really the one that's different because hockey most people most in our market, they didn't play the game at any level. They didn't pay attention to the game really at any level. And so they don't feel like they've got the answers to what's going on on the ice. It doesn't mean that they don't enjoy going to Caps games or watching Caps games, especially during the playoffs.

I like watching the games during the playoffs. But this is what I used to argue with anybody that would suggest we should do more hockey on the shows. Most people, like the massive majority of people who tune in to sports radio or sports podcast content, they're okay talking about a game they just watched with hockey, but they can't do, nor are they interested in what we do with football. Breaking down training camp play by play. You know, when we get to the regular season, coming up with your own idea of what the game plan should be, how you should attack that three, four that the Eagles are going to play. What are we going to do?

Are we going to use more motion? Everybody's got, you know, detailed, detailed thoughts on how they would go about it pregame. And then the post game is insane because people believe, and I'm one of those people, that we actually know what we were watching, or at least a lot of it, and have opinions on it. You just don't get that with hockey. You'll get, I love going to the game. I love watching the game. But I can't tell you that that, you know, one-three-one trap defense that they played in the third period

was the right thing defensively or not. I didn't even know it was a one-three-one trap defense. I'm just making something up. I don't even know if that's a real thing with hockey. That is five players. So I did get the number of players on the ice. Correct. This from Tommy, as we get into Terry.

Tommy writes Kevin. Terry and his agent made a miscalculation requesting a trade. Fan sentiment is flipping. A majority of social media posts now side with the team or speak negatively of Terry's approach. I blame his agent. Terry's not getting Metcalf's deal. And all their tactics, the 30-minute whiny press conference and trade request, all that's done is sour fan sentiment on him.

Terry deserves to seek a raise, but the process has been poorly handled by his team. Holding in is fine, but after the last preseason game, Terry needs to decide whether to take the latest offer from the team or bet on himself for the 2027 season and then off, or 2027 off season. Actually, that's not betting on himself for the 2027 off season. Oh, he writes following the 2026 franchise tag. That's it. Stop talking publicly about this. He needs better people in his corner. Thank you for that, Tommy. So I took an hour plus of calls today

on the following question, which led to a lot of conversation after they answered, the callers answered the question. Give us your Terry McLaurin contract prediction. How does it end? Does it end with him getting an extension before the opener against the Giants? Does it end with him playing on no extension?

Does it end with him holding out when the regular season games begin? Does it end with him getting traded? This follows about two weeks ago. I did Tommy remember the thing we talked about, Team Terry or Team Front Office. It was 50-50. That was before the hold-in and the trade request. I was shocked at that.

So were you. I think you were. I was. Oh, that's right. You felt differently. I'm thinking about my producer. I told you that a lot of fans, my experience is fans will generally side with management. Even though they wear player jerseys, they'll side with the boss.

I hear you on that. I just thought the Terry situation was going to be different, and I thought it was going to be 70, 30, it was 50-50. But today, man, you know, a lot of people, called in and said, you know, at this point, you know, I think he's going to play without an extension. I think it's the right thing for the team to do. You know, I suggested yesterday on the show that the team may get to the point where they're just going to be overwhelmed with the better financial scenario for them, which is to pay as you go. Pay him the, you know, 15 million, maybe a roster bonus. We'll see if he's on the roster of the 2.5 or whatever. You know, pay him the 15-5 in salary.

Pay him the franchise tag next year. If you have to pay him the franchise tag at 286, that's 44-1 for two years. That's without any money up front. That is a pay-as-you-go situation. You don't have to come out of pocket 50 to 60 million. Now, you don't have them in 2027 more likely than not. And you don't have cap, you know, sort of flexibility in 2026, but you're not going to need it because the Jaden contract won't hit until 2027, more likely than not.

people were on that. I was surprised at that. Now, I also did it as a Twitter poll, 68.9% think Terry gets an extension, which, by the way, is my answer too. I still think that it's more likely than not that he ends up getting an extension. I don't know what it's going to look like,

and it may be a very short-term kind of a thing, but I think ultimately he will get an extension before the season. But back to Tommy's email, I kind of feel what he is feeling. I feel like it hasn't been handled well by his agent or a combination of Terry's agent and Terry. I didn't like that press conference. I thought it was ridiculous how long he went on, how hard he was selling himself when I don't think he needed to do that. You know, the request for a trade doesn't bother me.

It's sort of a playbook move for these situations. it rarely ends up working. He's not getting traded. But anyway, what do you think? Well, I have a different opinion on this. I think, look, I don't think he's going to get the extension. I think he's going to play this year without the extension. I think this is going to be something that hangs over the team throughout the year,

especially if they struggle. this story, if he plays this year without the extension and they struggle, the story will only grow. And this will become a big deal. They may not struggle, and they may play just fine. But if they struggle, this will become a big deal, okay? Also... Well, it would be a bigger deal if they struggled without him. Yes, it would be if they struggled without him.

That would be the obvious deal. The other thing is I think there is a price tag you can put on turning your fan base against arguably your second most popular player You know, I think that costs the team a little bit To do that It may not mean anything and if they make a deal

This will all get forgotten You know and it'll just be on Google somewhere For people to look back on But if they don't and you've turned your fan base against such a popular player, I think there's a price for that, and I don't think it's worth what they're going through right now. But that's just me. I have a wider agenda than Adam Peters does.

I'm looking at a bigger picture that he is. He's not supposed to look at a bigger picture. He's just supposed to look at the football operation. Yeah, I think the bigger picture is overpaying a player who's a really good player but a great guy is a bad precedent to set. But it's not a bad precedent. How many Terry McClurets are going to come along? I don't know, but I don't think overpaying a really good player for being a great guy in the past

and he's going to be a great guy in the future. I just don't think that's the right thing to do business-wise. I think it's absolutely appropriate to treat Terry differently. You don't treat all of these situations the same. Terry is different. He is a terrific locker room guy, a leader on the team, and so you put some value on that. But if the gap is as wide as we believe it is now,

you know, somewhere between, call it 26, 27 a year, and $33, $34 million a year. I can't endorse Terry's side on this. I think what's growing on me is the belief that Adam Peters and company, they've got decent business chops. And I don't want to laud them for just that at the exclusion of missing the forest for the trees in terms of, you know, there is a different way in which you can

treat Terry and not overpay him, but if they're that far off and Terry's group is sort of a little bit delusional, I just don't think you can pay this guy top three money, top four money. He's just not anywhere near that. And certainly not, you know, as he turns 30 years old. I think though, one thing, I don't think they're turning the fan base against Terry. Tommy kind of said that sentiment is flipping. I think there is a lot of understanding. more understanding about the, you know, what's out there in terms of contracts and the players and where Terry really fits in and a belief that, you know, the current... So all of a sudden you've gone from a fan base that doesn't have enough range to figure out

that training camp is nonsense to a fan base that's sophisticated enough to figure out the NFL contract situation. I think it's actually easier to figure that out. I think when you're, because all you have to say is Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, he wants just less than that. Okay, well, here's, yeah. Here's what Diana Rossini tweeted. Yeah, I saw it. He's done a lot of reporting on this.

Yeah. Terry McCorn hasn't missed a game since 2020, and despite being covered by number one corners his entire career, he's never had a teammate top 700 yards receiving. He's recorded five straight seasons of a thousand, thousand plus yards. So it's been basically a solo show for Terry McClure throughout most of his career in terms of the receiving corps here in Washington.

Right. I think there's value in that. I think there's value in that. And of all the mistakes, all the mistakes you would make to overpay a guy that you know is going to work the hardest to be the best he can when he's 33, or 32, is the least damaging mistake you can make? Yes, and I'm okay with them overpaying, but not grossly overpaying.

Terry's not a top three receiver in the NFL. And even though he wouldn't be, you know, contractually this time next year, certainly not in two years, I don't think it's the right thing for the team to do. Now, if you want to give him the 28, you know, somewhere in that 28 to 30, I'm all for that. And that may even be a slight overpayment based on where he really lines up. You know, 28's probably not, but 30 might, you know, be right in that sweet spot. Anything more than that. And guaranteed dollars are the most important thing when it comes to these contracts.

But I'm, I trust what they're doing. I think they know. that. Yeah. Based on their track record in the one year they've been in power, there's every reason to trust them. Yeah, and the other part of it is, you know, because most people that are listening know this about my view on Terry McClorn, it just is kind of lining up with the way I've

thought about Terry, is that he's a really good receiver. He's just not a great receiver. You know, I mentioned on the podcast yesterday that Kimberly Martin, the NFL reporter that's on ESPN, she apparently talked to an NFL GM who said, if you call up 20 NFL GMs and say you get to choose between D.K. Metcalf and Terry McLaren, the majority will take D.K. Metcalf. I don't think our fans, a lot of our fans see it that way. and I think that the front office probably does see it that way. Now, the D.K. Metcalf contracts a little bit out of whack. Pittsburgh probably overpaid, although the guaranteed money there isn't, you know, significant after two years.

But beyond that, one of the reasons I have confidence in them is, A, what they've accomplished so far. And B, as it relates specific to this situation, I think I'm learning that the way they view Terry is kind of matches up with the way I view Terry. Like I think Terry's really good. I want him back. I want him back on a long-term deal. But I can't pay him like an elite receiver. I can't. He's not.

He just isn't that. He's worth more than maybe he should get based on where he is because of the person and the teammate and the culture leader that he is. But not a lot more. I think that would be not the right thing to do. So it sounds like we disagree a little bit on that. Yeah, we do, I think. I mean, I'm okay with overpaying him. I'm not okay with overpaying him to the extent that he's in the

conversation just after Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. He's nowhere near those guys. He just isn't. I mean, and there are, there are 10 guys out there that you could easily make the case you would take. I had a bunch of, I started to get caught up on a lot of these emails and tweets. Like people, first of all, just so you guys know, those of you that have suggested a Micah Parsons for Terry McLorn deal straight up, that would never happen, people. Micah Parsons is a much more valuable player than Terry McClorn is. You'd have to give up a lot more than Terry to get Micah. There were rumors flying around about Pittsburgh acquiring Terry yesterday. You know, The athletic did a bunch of mock trades.

Here are some of them. The Patriots send a third rounder for Terry. The Chargers send a fourth rounder for Terry. Pittsburgh sends a third rounder in Roman Wilson. You know, he's the backup wide receiver. The bills trade Curtis Samuel back to Washington and a fifth rounder. And then there's this, you know, straight up trade. IUC for McLaurin with the 49ers.

IUC coming off the ACL tear last year. He's not even going to be ready when the season begins, but to have him and Debo back together might be attractive. None of this, I think, is happening. The one that was really interesting is several of you sent me this, I guess it was a rumor flying over the weekend or late last week. Tyree Kill for Terry McClureen. Again, I think you'd have to give up more than Terry to get Tyree Kill. but there, I guess, is some issues between Hill and Mike McDaniel down in Miami. Count me in for Tyree Kill being on our roster this year.

I can't imagine how dangerous we would be with Jaden, Tyree Kill. If Debo really is having a decent camp and there's growing confidence in him being in shape and being, you know, like he's been before, Yeah, that would be interesting to watch. Interesting to watch. What you've done is you've injected some poison into a non-poisonous atmosphere. You're right about that. I agree with that.

I agree. Keep in mind, Tariq Hill is, you know, in the last couple of top 100s, he's been a top five player or top three player in the NFL, as voted on by his peers. I think over the last seven years, he's been the most feared player with the ball in his hands of any player in the league that's not a quarterback. And, you know, the Dolphins remember, they paid him $30 million a year last year. Tyree Kill's been a much better player in his career than Terry McClure. Yes, he has.

So, I mean, we're not going to argue about that. But, yeah, maybe the risk is a little bit of, you know, risk on what happens in the locker room with Tyree Kill. Yes. Is the Dan Quinn Culture Fair strong enough to absorb a head case like Tyree Kill? Right. I don't think it's been around long enough to establish that. I think they're going to get a deal done. And I'll just add this because I didn't discuss this with you yet,

and I talked about it on yesterday's show with Ben, actually. Terry has no leverage right now. You agree with that, right? Yeah. Financial leverage. There is one way for him to gain a little financial leverage, but it would have to include him crossing that line of not playing in regular season games. because if he didn't play in regular season games,

and the offense faltered without him, like in a bad way against the Giants and then Green Bay, which, you know, they played two games in the first five days of the season, then he would have a little bit of leverage. You know, they might look at it and say the offense was nowhere near what it was last year, and we now believe it's because you're missing. There's risk in doing that because what if the offense thrives without him? because there were games last year in which the offense did just, you know, did pretty well without

him being a significant factor as a pass catcher. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good blocker in the game. It doesn't mean he wasn't a good decoy, you know, drawing some defensive attention, all of that. But that would be interesting. I don't think he does that. I think there's too much risk, and I don't think it's in him to miss regular season games. But I didn't think it was in him to hold out or hold in and then to request a trade either.

I didn't think we'd be here. I was dead wrong. I thought this thing would be done before camp started. But I still think we're going to end up with something that resembles a contract extension before the opener. And you don't, right? Right. Okay. And you got him just playing on the final year of his deal?

Yes. And you believe that if they don't play well on offense, you're talking specifically about offense, that there's risk for the organization at that point. Yeah. Because people will say Terry's playing unhappily. People will look for what's wrong with the team, and that will be the first thing.

It could be. Depends on the context of it, you know. If they're not playing well because Jayton Daniels gets hurt, well, that will be the thing. But that's obvious. All right. What else? Oh, Jaden admitted something about the Hail Mary throw in the Chicago game last year.

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Sequin Barclays, you know, 360, you know, reverse 360 in the air against, I think the Titans last year. Somebody, I forget who it was. Talked about that play. Jefferson's catch a few years ago on 4th and 18 in Buffalo. And they talked about Jaden's Hail Mary to beat the Bears. And in the process of describing the Hail Mary, Jaden Daniels said, I did it with a broken rib. So that was the first admission that it was a broken rib. We knew that there was a rib issue, but they never described it as a broken rib during the season last year. But we knew going into the Chicago game, which, as a reminder, came.

the week after the Carolina game. Remember, he was questionable the entire week. We weren't sure really until I think Saturday that he would start against the Bears. So they played him with a broken rib a week after he injured the rib against Carolina. What do you think? Well, I mean, look, I've never broken a rib. but I've had enough experience from people talking to people who have saying there's not much you can do

heal say that again say that again sorry you faded in and out there's not much you can do with a broken rib except to let it heal you know they can't go in and fix it or something like that right so uh I mean he was protected with a flack jacket they felt that it wasn't, you know, he wasn't risking any long-term issues by playing other than the

normal issues. So I don't have a particular problem with them playing them. I'm assuming that, you know, with a rib injury, sometimes they'll shoot it up, they'll numb it because there are nerves there, that it is a painful injury. It's also an injury that, you know, sometimes it's not easy to breathe normally. You know, I don't know. I don't know. know to the length that this was bothering him, but look, he ended up that week having, you know, not the best game, you know, for his season. They were, remember, they're trailing 15 to 12 when he threw the Hail Mary. They only had 12 points in the game at that point. I have a bit of an issue that they played him in that game. I really do.

I think at that point, you know, they were five and two. They had just crushed Carolina with Marcus Mario da playing very well in relief. And I don't know that I would have risked him. Now, you're saying that there's no risk. There is a risk. You're compromised because you're playing potentially with protecting the pain. Now, in that game, you know, I went back and looked at this particular. game. Jaden Daniels did run more on scrambles than sort of zone reads and planned runs.

It was the next week that we got a little bit more of him, you know, in the zone read game against the Giants. And that turned out to be one of the best games of the year for him. The giant game on Sunday November 3rd was his, let me just look at this. I think it was his third highest QBR game of the year. Yeah, 95.7 QBR. He was outstanding in that game, and it was a competitive game. You know, they won 27 to 22. And then he played really well against Pittsburgh the following week before not playing so great against Philly. I remember during those weeks the way I felt. I'm like, look, first of all, he just had one of the best games he's had all year against the Giants. So let's not overdo this. Secondly,

They wouldn't put him out there if he were really hurt. They wouldn't do that. Like that would be a level of risk and borderline negligence to put him out there, especially to put him out there in what they had been doing all year, running him as a designed runner, running him as an option runner. You know, it's one thing to protect him with the play calling, but they weren't doing that after the Chicago game. So I'm surprised, not that he had a rib injury.

knew that. But I guess I'm surprised that they put him out there with a broken rib, you know, seven days after they wouldn't allow him to go back into the game against Carolina. Now, he didn't have to go back into the game because he was a route. But I'm surprised at that. Now, I'm going to assume that what I was hearing during those giant Steelers, once they took him off the injury report, remember, he was on the injury report before the Chicago game. And then they took him off the injury report and Dan Quinn said he's fine now. And, you know, so

it had healed at that point. At least that's what they said and certainly he played like he was a healed quarterback. And they called plays like he was a healed quarterback. But I'm surprised they let him play in that Chicago game. I am.

I guess I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at that point. I mean, you know, And it depends on how much of, not that this is determining factor, but how much did he want to play, you know. Well, I mean. Okay. Now we're going to go back to 2012.

Yes. You're right, but it's not the same thing. No, it's not. Why isn't it the same thing to you? Well, because one is broken rib, and the other is a, an injured knee that on a quarterback that already had a history of knee of knee injuries in college.

Okay. So, I mean, you'd be much more delicate with the other guy than you would with this guy. Look, you may be right, but in the end, it just adds to the aura of James. Now, yeah, I threw the Hail Mary. with a broken rib. Let me just mention that the other difference between 2012 and last year,

you identified a major difference, and I agree with that. The other is that one was a playoff game, and the other one was a game in the middle of October against the Bears. And you had a backup quarterback who had just played very well the week before in Marcus Mariano. So I think about the conversations that week. He's got a broken rib. Don't you think there was a conversation?

Are we really going to put him out there? Are we going to really shoot up that rib, numb it, and have him go out there and play with a broken rib? You know, in what would be, what, the seventh game of his career, or eighth game of his career? I mean, he might be kind of protecting it, he might get injured by protecting it and compromise another part of his body. Yeah.

Week eight? Week eight? I'm resting him. I'm waiting for it to heal. Now, somebody's probably listening and saying, Kevin, what you said, you really can't re-injure it. It's got a heal on its own. If he could take the pain or if they numbed it up, then it's fine. Okay.

That's fair. But I think we're talking about something more than, say, a pinky injury. Yes. Because if it weren't that serious, then he would have potentially been okay to come back in the Carolina game. Now, there wasn't a reason to bring him back in the Carolina game. I get that. It was a blowout. So there's that.

But I don't know. Like, I'll tell you this. If they put him out there compromised for the next few weeks with a broken rib that hadn't healed, took them off the injury report? Well, you got, I mean, that's a league issue now. It could be. You know? Yeah, it could be.

Because when they took them off that injury report, I'm like, they're not going to risk taking them off the injury report because there's a, you get docked. Teams have lost draft picks because of, you know, fake injury reports or leaving pieces of information off the injury report. So I'm going to trust that he was healed and ready to go by that Pittsburgh game for sure, if not the giant game. I think it was the giant game that he came off the injury report at the end of the week because he was not on the injury report before the Pittsburgh or Philly games. And then they had the long, because the Philly game was on a Thursday night before they came back and played Dallas at home. You know, it is interesting that in the moment

people were saying he's hurt. You know, they just lost three games in a row. I'm like, yeah, but he, you know, in the five games that he played, including the Chicago game, he played two of the best games he played all year during that stretch. So, anyway. Here's the definitive answer to this. During the game that he got hurt against Carolina, okay?

his mother, Regina Jackson, posted on her ex account, saying, he's fine. So there was no reason to worry. The mom says he's fine. You're a big fan of her. She's his agent. I know. She's doing some great things for him. Yes.

He's fine. Look, the mom says he's fine. He's fine. Yeah. All right. Speaking of Jaden. You wrote a column and just talk about it real quickly about the RFK bill, which passed the end of last week, 9 to 3. There's a, right, it's very much a formality vote in mid-September.

So the deal is basically done at this point. We're going to have a stadium at RFK in 2030. It'll be, it's a great project for the city. That area of the city is going to be completely revitalized. and, you know, for those of us that love our hometown, it'll be great for the city. In terms of the deal, you know, you think it's a one-sided team beat down, but the city council may have gotten a few other concessions, but I think ultimately both are going to win.

That's my view on it. But you wrote a column identifying the star and the winner of this. So I'll let you describe what you wrote. Well, I wrote that we can dispense now with the title of mayor for Muriel Bowser and change it to Queen of Washington, D.C. Like a Roman emperor, she has delivered games to the mob, and they'll love her for it. So, yeah, I mean, I think, however fair or unfair, and I'm sure it drives, you know, political junkies nuts, it may be to judge someone's legacy on sports teams.

That's pretty much her legacy right now. Her legacy is not only bringing the commanders back to town, but saving the Wizards and the Capitol from leaving town, all within a 10-month period. Quite a year. She did this. To the mayor. Yes.

I mean, so this is her legacy. I mean, she's just like Sharon Pratt Kelly, I point out, a little bit unfairly is always remembered for, you know, the one who let the Redskins leave town, and that's kind of her legacy. Muriel Bowser's legacy is going to be the one who brought them home. You know, and they really, I mean, I'm not sure it matters what else she does or doesn't do. I mean, she'll always be remembered as the mayor who brought the football, the NFL team back to town. and that's

that's that's that's going to make her historical figure in DC sports history in DC history period so that's just acknowledging that you know

what she did to cement her legacy as an important figure in the history of Washington no matter what issues you may have with with you know crime

housing the important political issues It's the football team that's going to cement her legacy. Yes, I totally agree with that. We talked about this before. I'm like, for all that Phil Mendelsohn is sticking his chest out about what a much better deal he got than the one the mayor negotiated, no one's going to remember Phil Mendelsohn and the D.C. City Council. Mayor Bowser is going to be the mayor that brought the football team home.

yes, kept the hockey team and the basketball team in Chinatown. I will remind you that back in April, you basically, you know, wrote that, you know, someone else was responsible for this possibility. And that person wears number five and plays football for the team. Yes. Because without him and without the rookie season and the team season that he led, we may not be in this position right now. And I said that in the opening segment as kind of a tease to say,

yeah, Mayor Bowser, yes, but remember you wrote about Jaden Daniels being the sun and everything revolving around it. If they had come off a 7 and 10 season and Jaden Daniels was just okay as a rookie and there were serious questions about whether or not they had gotten it right, they still would have pursued the RFK opportunity. They still were going to build something new and open it by 2030. Do you think it really did impact this deal getting done with D.C.? Or would it have gotten done anyway?

I think it might have been more difficult. I think there was a sense of momentum that fed off the team's performance this year that ran through this whole thing. You know, I think there was a sense of euphoria. about the team given the fact that there have been so much suffering for so long and

I think I think it would have been a harder road to hoe to do it I don't know if it would have stopped it no I'm not going to say that you know if they weren't if they didn't have such a successful season

if they would have stopped dead in its tracks because there's too many other factors involved but I think I don't think you would have had so many people leading the charge to yeah, let's make this happen if people were if people were not passionate anymore about the team if passion had not been revived

and resurrected, which it has been. And nostalgia, as you wrote, sort of accessed, you know, through all of this. I think that's right. I think that I mean, put it this way. The polling of city residents that has, you know, resulted in the majority of D.C. residents being for this,

which is unusual, as you've said to me over the years, for taxpaying residents to be in favor of giving billionaires money to build stadiums. I think that part of it may have been different without last year. year without Jaden Daniels. That may be. I don't know if that would have carried the day, but I think it would have put up an obstacle. It would have made it more difficult. Yes. I agree.

So, well, look, this is exciting for people like me. I'm not expecting an RFK redo. RFK was, you know, this small dingy, you know, it was, it was

terrible. The whole thing was It was an awful stadium, but it was ours, and the team was so great. And the memories from it so special and lasting. And, you know, we're going to talk about Rigo's turning 76 in the last segment of the show today. I think about those days, and I get nostalgic when I see the Rigo highlights or the Art Monk highlights, and then they're playing those games in RFK. And I think like a lot of people listening of a certain age, you can feel it, you can smell it.

Like that's one of those things, Tommy, when I really concentrate. I can smell RFK Stadium. What it smelled like when you walked in. And certainly what it sounded like and what it felt like. It was, man, I mean, I consider myself as a sports fan to have been lucky to have been able to be in RFK Stadium, a legendary venue in NFL history. And also, by the way, Tommy, having been and grown up in Cole Fieldhouse, a legendary venue in college basketball, for a lot of reasons.

You know, there are plenty of cities in which, you know, sports fans have not had those opportunities. There's nothing, though, that will ever match what RFK was. and I'm excited to see what not only the stadium looks like and what it feels like in there, but the whole development around it and how that will improve the city and the big events that it will draw. We're going to have a Super Bowl here within 10 years. We'll have a final four at some point. We'll have the Women's World Cup here in 2013.

So, you know. And a few WrestleMania is mixed in. Well, that's for you. I don't know if I'll be down there, but I'll go with you. If we're still upright and able to communicate, I will definitely go to one of those with you. I think it's a great thing for the city, and it won't be an RFK 2. You can never duplicate RFK 2 in 2030. It'll be fun also because I'm in the city, and to see it, you know,

know, in that whole area from the ground up, sort of grow over the next five years. When will they break ground? Will that happen this year or early next? Do you know? No, I don't know. Offhand. Okay. I think they're...

I should know, but I don't. Well, first of all, they're going to have to knock down the stadium. They're going to have to raise RFK. That will be an emotional day. We can do a show about that. You know, I watched them. Look. grew up in Brooklyn, and the Brooklyn Dodgers were a big team, but they left when I was three

years old. I remember going to Ebbett Field, you know, when I was three years old to see him play. But for Brooklyn, the city, that was unbelievably emotional. But I do remember vividly watching them tear down Ebbett Field. I was six years old when they tore down the stadium. And that was very emotional. How did they tear it down back then? Well, they used a crane with a big ball on the end of it. And they just swung it into the stadium. And, you know, that's basic. I've never watching that.

That's wild. Yeah, I mean, look, it's not happening, you know, within, you know, view of the last time being in there. I mean, it's been, you know, 28 years. So it won't be a devastating. thing to watch because it's basically been gone for three decades for all intents and purposes. But it will be a momentous day nonetheless. All right.

Let's talk about our trips. And we do want to talk about Rigo turning 76. We'll do that and more after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelley's. Okay, well, Shelly's back room at 1331 S Street Northwest. in the district. You know, what a special place it is to me,

what a special place it is to so many people who get a chance to come there. You know, I don't know. You're a D.C. guy. You know this more than I. But I know Washington has had the reputation of kind of shutting down in August.

Yeah. You know, as a city. You know, Congress shuts down, goes, goes, going vacation. the actually city council is on vacation, you know. And this city kind of shuts down, but not Shelley's. Shelly's back room does not shut down. Okay.

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What's my special day? Yeah. That's an interesting question. You don't have to have a special day. No, I'd have to think about that. Let me only get back to you on that. Okay. Let me write that way down.

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All right. You want to start? Tell me about bumstock. How many showed up versus the best or the largest group of all time? Well, I mean, how many are left? The largest group of all time goes back. I mean, this is, this was the, well, we lost two years for COVID. This was the 33rd year of bump stuff.

Tell everybody what it is, just in the event that they don't know. It's a gathering on Harry Fisher's Farm, a farm, Farman, Bangor, Pennsylvania, of a lot of friends who grew up in East Trousburg. You know, primarily a lot of them were, or when we went to school at East Trousburg High School, class of 71, but it's not limited to that. You know, it includes other people that who may have crossed past with you over the years. And it's, like, in the early days, it was, this is how raucous it was in the early days, okay? One time Harry bought five half-kegs for the event.

Okay. Yeah. By midnight, we had kicked the fifth half-keg. No way. And we drove to a bar that Harry knew the owner and bought a half-keg from them to bring back. Okay. Yeah, it wasn't enough. And, of course, you just drove.

You know, back then you just drove. Yeah. Yes. So that was the heyday. It's not like that anymore. but we had a big uptick in attendance this year. We had at least 15 to 20 more than we had in previous. For a total of...

Maybe about 70 people. Wow. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Did you... It was pretty good. The mix of male and female?

Yes. Absolutely. A lot of female. I know. What was the mix, though? What percentage of male to female? I know, I keep 50-50. Did you, was Mary there?

No. Are you impressed that I remembered her name? Well, you got it wrong. What? Yeah. I did get it wrong? Yeah, you got it wrong. Oh, why did I think it was Mary?

Did we just sub-Marry's name in for the real name? I don't know. But no, she's never been there. Oh. She's never been to bump stock. Okay. She didn't go. So, but there were a lot of people there.

Was it Gertrude? Was her name Gertrude? No, her name was not Gertrude. Okay. And I like to take credit for the uptake because when we sent out an email to everybody this year, I resented urging people to show up this year, you know? I said something like, I think it's important that we get together. Mm-hmm.

So, so, so one of my class, one of my classes, She came up to me and she said, Are you okay? Oh, because you were pushing so hard. She was like, he thinks this is going to be his last one. Yes. Yeah. And that's not what I thought, but it is what I thought in the sense that, you know,

I mean, you don't know who you're going to see in a year from now. Right. You know, so I wanted to say that without being too mordland and say that, you know, this may be the last time you might say. see so-and-so or so-and-so. So everybody, we should make it of more of a point to get together now more than we ever have. There's nothing wrong with me. But that was the general message. I was trying to get it close, and it worked. A lot of people came who had never come before. Did Mildred show up? Harriet? There was no, you're not there. You're not there.

Dorothy? I'm going through the popular girls' names of the 1930s. 30s? Not there. Okay. For whatever reason, I thought it was kind of an old school name. Well, that's good. Okay. Well, by the way... But it was on a benchful. There were no... I mean, a lot. Look, my wife doesn't go.

She hasn't gone in a couple years. Right. Because it's the same stories year after year. Yeah. You know? I mean, hell, she's hoping at this point, you'll get lucky. So, you know, so it's the same stories. We laugh at the same things that we laugh at every year.

And we had great weather. The weather was so good. You know, it's a beautiful day. And it's a beautiful farm with a pond there. You know, I mean, when the kids were little, we used to bring them with us. You know, they go swimming in the pond. It's a horse farm, so they would take them horseback riding. They would do a hayride.

Meanwhile, we're getting drunk playing quates and washers and horseshoes. It was quite the festival. I've explained to you about quates, haven't I? I think you have. Yeah. Yeah, it's a game with, like, rubber donuts kind of thing, that you throw on a peg on a, like, a slanted board. Right, right, right.

I think you have told me about that. Yeah, and that's a big game, and we got beat by the same two guys that we got beat by every year. When you say we, who's your partner? Oh, me and Pete. Okay. My good buddy, Pete, who's been my friend since we were in seventh grade, my best friend. And we played these two guys who were in a Quate league up there. How do you spell Quayette?

How do you spell Quate, Q-U-A-T-E? No, I believe it's Q-O-I-T-S. Let me just double-check here. Yeah, I would have never given that. Yeah. Okay, it's fine. Kate's his Q-U-O-I-I-T-S. Yeah, that's what it is.

Okay. But we have a lot of fun. And this, you know, for anybody that is getting confused, this is not Wyoming. The Wyoming passed away a few years. ago, correct? Yes. Yeah, Wyoming has, you know, did not, we didn't do Wyoming for 33 years, but we did it for at least, uh, probably 20 years. Right. And that was more, I think, that was writers, you know, and friends who were in the, you know, in the media

business. In the baseball business, too. Like scouts would come. Did Stan Kasten? Yeah, casting came. I, I remember that. Yeah, he came in 2010. Clint Hurdle. former manager of the Rockies came, Art Howe, has come former manager of the A's and the Astros. So, yeah, that's a different thing. We don't do that anymore. You know, there's a rodeo called Wyoming, which happens in Laramie every year. So real quickly on my trip, Mexico City, have you been? No. it's it's just much different than I would have expected and I was prepped for that I was

prepped for it being a really great trip in a great city you know first of all it's 23 million people in the Mexico city you know you know area not just you not the proper city proper is like 300 400000 but all the surrounding area is 23 million I think it's the third largest city in the world. First of all, I knew it was at elevation. I had no idea that Mexico City was at 7,300 feet. That, you know, that's, you know, basically 2,000 feet more, a little bit more than 2,000 feet more than Denver at 5,280. And by the way, I felt it. The first two days, I felt it. You know, I didn't have altitude sickness necessarily, but there was like, you know, some shortness a breath for the first two days until you sort of acclimated to it.

That's where that's where Bob Beeman brought jump 29 feet. Yeah, I can see how he hung in the air that long. Yeah. Two feet farther than anyone had ever jumped before. Yeah. So the weather is spectacular. I mean, it's in the 60s, low 70s, zero humidity because of the elevation. Actually gets cool at night.

You need a jacket even in, you know, late July, early August. It's such a green, lush city. Now, look, it is third world in a lot of areas in Mexico City. And, you know, it had a terrible reputation 10, 15 years ago, kidnapping. Oh, it was considered an incredibly dangerous place. Yeah. The cartel was basically running it. Well, there's no cartel there anymore. I mean, the tourism has come back in a major.

way. I mean, it was mostly tourists. There are beautiful suburbs of Mexico City. We were in a place called Palanco, which is gorgeous. But I'll just tell you this, because this is what my son told me, because he's been many times. He lives in L.A. and he's been there on business

several times, and he met us there because he actually ended up being kind of our tour guide, because he's been there like eight, nine times. But he said, Dad, this is you know, for a foodie, which I'm not, but foodies consider to be, you know, the greatest food city now in the world, if not top three, maybe behind New York.

And, man, we went to some places that were incredible. So it was great. My big thing is on those vacations, I've told you this before when we've come back from Europe or other places, I just can't do the museums for more than like a day or two. I know you love it. I don't mind it, But when you get to day three and you've walked another 30,000 steps through museums and there's not a beach in sight or a golf course in sight, it's a different type of vacation. But anyway, Mexico City, phenomenal, I recommend it. And certainly Polanco, Contessa, or the areas you'd probably want to stay in there outside west of downtown. We did go into some areas that were considered a bit sketchy. Centro, the middle of, you know, downtown by the Capitol, but we were there briefly, and it's

easy to be in and out of an Uber. The truth is Mexican people, they were lovely. By the way, the women are beautiful. I'm not sure I'm breaking news on this, but that was another benefit of the trip. Anyway, then I went to, we went to Costa Rica, because my brother, as you know, has lived there now for 25 years. He just had a baby. So I literally have a niece who is six months. And I have a nephew who's

about to turn 40. So there's quite a range. Now that's on my wife's side of the family. But he's been down there for 25 years. It is a lovely place. We've been before. It's beautiful. And we had a great time.

But I'll end with this because this is really what I wanted to get to. I'm not someone who plays poker as someone who gambles on sports and loves blackjack and craps in a casino. We've been together in casinos before. I just missed the poker thing. I had friends that got into it, but the majority of my friends that I would go to Vegas with or, you know, be involved in sports betting with, they miss the poker thing too. I don't know why I missed it. I just never had much interest in it.

I've played poker many times with the guys at somebody's house, but had never played it in a casino or even online, Tommy, until last summer in Vegas with my son and my nephew. And then in Costa Rica the second time, my brother plays poker, my son plays poker, sat down for like four to five hours. I can completely understand why it. is addictive.

Like, really? Oh, I got the, you know, on the flight back, I was like watching YouTube poker videos.

And I'm, because it really was, I'm a complete novice. I mean, I know poker in terms of, you know, I can tell you what, you know,

in order of, you know, a pair, two pair, three of a kind, flush, straight, straight flush,

you know, et cetera, full house. I understand that, but I don't understand the mechanics of playing it live. Well, I figured it out after a while. It's not very hard to figure out. And then it becomes really exciting. You know, the thing about poker is you're not playing the house.

You're playing other players. And it's really interesting, very strategic, obviously a high-skill game. And you need cards. too, but I got to be careful because this one, this could easily grab me and pull me in. I know. I got to be really careful because I'll tell you, my brother said, whatever you do, don't play online poker. It's a major time suck and you'll get roped into things and some of these games aren't

on the up and up. And he's like, and I know people that have gone into that and they don't come up or come out of a room for days. So I don't think that'll happen to me. But, you know, this just in, poker's pretty exciting. I just never got into it. I have a lot of friends that play at it. They're like, why don't you play?

I'm like, I don't know. Just never interested me. But we had a good time in a pretty nice casino in Costa Rica. So there you go. That was my trip. No drama other than Ubering to the airport in Mexico City. which we were running kind of late for the flight already. The Uber broke down.

And it was pouring raining and we had to wait for a new Uber, put all of the luggage in the pouring rain into the new Uber, and we barely got to the gate in time. But the Mexico City airport, man, that's an efficient airport. Works very well. All right, let's talk about Rigo's birthday after these words from a few of our sponsors. I write 70 chip, Tommy. the most famous play in Redskins history, January 31st, 1983,

Pasadena the Rose Bowl, fourth and one. Rigo takes it to the house for the lead with just over 10 minutes to go. Washington goes on to win its first Super Bowl. If you get a chance, by the way, to rate and review the show and you haven't done it, it's really helpful for us, especially on Apple and Spotify following this show. helps us as well, just hit the plus button or the follow button. So I saw this tweeted out yesterday. I kind of had forgotten when Rigo's birthday was.

I think you tweeted it out too, that yesterday was Rigo's 76 birthday. That just, I don't know what it is. I certainly, if somebody had said, how old is John, like, you know, before yesterday, I would have figured it out. And I would have said, yeah, he's in his early 70s, mid-70s. but I don't know, something about seeing it just blows me away. John Riggins is, I think, the number one most beloved redskin of all time. I think Sonny's very close, but Sonny didn't win, and Rigo is synonymous with winning, and by the way, strapping an entire team to his back in an unbelievable run over four games.

610 carries, 610 yards, 136 carries, still to this day NFL records in the postseason. And I was curious as to whether or not you think I am right, that Rigo would top the list of the most beloved Redskins, you know, Washington football team commanders of all time. I think you're right, and I think your reasons are right, because he is identified with not just winning, but the first Super Bowl winning team. You know, the first teams that won the Super Bowl.

That play, like you said, is the most historic play in franchise history. And he's such a colorful figure as well. He was so, I mean, you know, he was. so unique and so different than everybody else, but so beloved by his teammates, too. Yeah. You know, as well and respected by his teammates.

So, no, I think you're right. I think there was a period of time where I would have said Sonny's the most beloved player and maybe even the greatest player in franchise history. It's two different conversations, by the way. But in talking about the most beloved or the most even iconic. I think it's John. I really do. And Sunny is a close second, you know, no doubt a close second. And maybe Daryl, you know, is in that conversation as well.

But for a certain generation, you know, how many people, you know, say 40 or older, 45 or older would say that Rigo is their favorite player of all time? I think, more people alive right now would say that Rigo is their favorite. And plenty of people who have passed on would have said it as well. You know, in watching some of the highlights that came out, and I got sucked in for a little while on the, you know, the 82 season run through the postseason, through Detroit, through Minnesota, the bow after the Viking game, the Dallas game, and then Super Bowl 17. I was kind of reminded of what Rigo used to always, you know, say about what his greatest attribute was on the football field. I think maybe he would say other things off the field,

but his greatest attribute on the field wasn't his power, which he was, you know, he's one of the great powerbacks of all time. It wasn't his speed, which was incredibly underrated. John was a high school track star in the state of Kansas. And he, you know, look at some of the highlights from his younger years. He outran people at, you know, 6-2-240. But he always said that his greatest attribute, it was the eyes. It was his vision. And in watching some of those highlights yesterday and kind of going down the rabbit hole of watching Rigo, he had incredible vision. He had great feel. He had great feel in tight spaces. And of course, if anybody got in the way, he would run them over. But Rigo made the right decisions so often. Vision is, you know, in the NFL in particular,

where it's a tighter game with tighter hashes, et cetera, it is in the running game, you know, after the importance of the O line, running backs and their vision is the, that's the most important thing because you can have great speed, but if it's straight-line speed with no wiggle, with no ability to feel it, it doesn't translate. Rigo had great vision. And beyond that, obviously, fast, physical, tough, warrior, smart, all of those things. But I can't tell you how many times he would say it's eyes. That's what you look for in running back. Some more than anything else. That was the thing that got, you know, he would say me to where I got to, where my eyes. Happy birthday, Rigo. 76 yesterday.

Happy birthday, John. You know, one of the more, like you said, interesting people that have, that's ever been a sports star in this town. And I would add to that, you know, through my experience, one of the smartest athletes that's ever. played in this city. One of the most interesting and one of the smartest that's ever played in this city. So happy birthday. Hope everybody's well. And anything else on Rigo? Can't believe you 76. Well, you know, it's interesting is, I mean, I was a Jets fan when he played for the Jets. You know, and I've talked to him about that a couple of times. You know, because I, funny, I'm interested in hearing stories about the Jets. He was for Jets.

first thousand-yard rusher in jet's history. Yeah. In 1975, his last year with the Jets, he went over a thousand yards in a 14-game season. And that was the first time a jet ever rushed for a thousand yards. So I've fond memories of him being with the Jets, even though they were the post-Super Bowl years that he was with the Jets from 71 on. Well, I mean, having had the good fortune. of working with him, doing a show with him for two plus years,

and then doing all those years on pregame or postgame or whatever. You know, I always found it interesting that he revered the days that he was in New York. He loved those days. And he considers himself as much of a jet as he does a Redskin, you know, in the memory of playing on those jet teams with Joe Namath. And some of the stories he has about, about those particular teams that, you know, were coached by Weeb Eubank. And, you know, you'll be able to name all the great players, you know, the Don Maynard's and the, you know, the fullback that he had there,

the running back that was in the backfield with him that was in the Super Bowl. Boozer. Yeah, Boozer. Yeah. He's got so many great stories about those years as well. So, yeah. New York fans, jet fans, generally, right, have, of a certain age have great memories of Rigo. Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely. He was a fan favorite there. Yeah, with the Mohawk and everything. All right. Good to be back with you. We'll do it again on Thursday. Okay, boss. Good to be on with you again.