The Kevin Sheehan Show - Jayden Daniels=Steph Curry??

Episode Date: January 1, 2025

Kevin with a New Years Day show which starts with a listener who believes the best way to describe Jayden Daniels is to compare him to Steph Curry. Doc Walker jumped on to discuss the Commanders and talk about his experience on New Years Day, 1976. He and his UCLA Bruin teammates pulled off one of the biggest Rose Bowl upsets beating #1 Ohio State.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Doc Walker will be on the show with me today, starting in the next segment. We'll, of course, talk about the team and their wins Sunday night over Atlanta to clinch a playoff birth. Doc will tell you who he'd like to see them play in the postseason. And the other thing we're going to get to with Doc is that nearly a half century ago to the day, 49 years ago, Today, January 1st, 1976, Doc played in one of the biggest upsets in Rose Bowl history. He hates talking about himself and the multi-sport athlete star that he was as a young person, but I got him to talk about one of the biggest upsets in Rose Bowl history, a game that he was a part of.

So you'll hear that coming up starting in the next segment. I wanted to read this email, though, quickly to start the show. It comes from John. John writes, just listen to your podcast today saying you're running out of ways to describe J.D. What came to mind for me was Steph Curry, meaning J.D. had a Steph Curry-like performance against Atlanta. And then he wrote, parenthetically, and Philadelphia, whereby, and he lists three reasons or three sort of thoughts that he had, that compares what J.D. Jaden Daniels did Sunday night to Steph Curry. He writes, number one,

he's not a small guy, but smaller than the average at his position. Number two, he makes absurdly spectacular plays that you don't see from others, leaving defenders befuddled. Think about Steph dribbling through two, three, four defenders to hit a fadeaway jumper off one foot, versus Jaden running for a first down in fourth and long, jukeying and running past multiple defenders. And then he writes three, puts the team on his back to pull out a win out of sheer will and talent. Not saying Daniels will become the best ever fill in the blank like Curry is the best ever

shooter, but there are similarities in how they showcase their respective games. Yeah, I see where you're going with this, but here's the big difference between Jaden Daniels and Steph Curry. Steph was transformational as a player. What Jaden is doing right now has been done. He's just doing it at the level or exceeding the level of other players who have done it. I mean, Lamar Jackson, just in the last six seasons, has become the greatest running quarterback of all time, the greatest dual threat quarterback of all time, one of the most elusive scramblers,

designed runners, option runners we've ever seen. And we've seen a lot of that in the NFL over the years anyway. I mean, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, you know, in more recent years, or years prior to recent years, obviously, you know, Russell Wilson, RG3, Michael Vic before that, Steve Young before that, Randall Cunningham, who Jaden's been comped to many times. Steph Curry wasn't comp to anybody. because Steph Curry did something that no one had ever done before.

Not that he shot a lot of threes, but that he shot a lot of threes from ridiculous distances. That was brand new, and it changed the game. For the worse, many people will say, including my good friend Tom Leverro, but it changed the dimension of the floor in terms of how it was guarded defensively because you had to go out to 30, 35 feet,

to guard Steph Curry and then those that came after him. You know, it wasn't, and we talked about this in the early days of Steph, it wasn't that he was shooting all these threes and that all of these players started to shoot a lot of threes. Because they had already started to shoot a lot of threes, it was the distance of the three-point shot that Steph Curry was really the first to do. He just started pulling up, you know, from three-point shot. 30 feet. And his coaches were fine with it because he knocked down a certain percentage of those

shots that made it, you know, worth shooting. And it totally changed the way you had to guard Golden State. And then by the way, they had another guy on the team that could do the same thing. So, yeah, I mean, there are physical similarities and they're kind of slight build and kind of maybe underestimating their ability a little bit. But I think Steph Curry was a transformative player. I think Jaden is just matching what's been done before and maybe even exceeding a lot of the players that came before him. But Lamar Jackson, while stylistically and body type,

there are differences. What Jaden's doing is kind of Lamar Jackson, maybe a bit advanced because he's a more polished passer as a young player than Lamar was. Anyway, I appreciate the email. You can email me through the Kevin Sheehan Show.com website. You can tweet me at Kevin Sheen, D.C. And if you don't mind, if you haven't done it, rate and review this show on Apple and Spotify and follow this show on Apple and Spotify.

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for our station 980 and for 1067 the fan, our sister station. You can follow Doc on X on Twitter at Rick Doc Walker. I know you hate when I do this, but this is where we are going to start today. And I don't think you'll have as much of a problem with this conversation as you do when we just talk about you and your youth and your upbringing. But 49 years ago today, UCLA beat number one Ohio State. in the Rose Bowl, 23 to 10. You were a part of that UCLA Bruin team, coached by Dick Vermeel.

Your team was a big underdog that day, and you guys pulled it off, a shocking upset in the Rose Bowl. What do you remember about that day 49 years ago? Well, it was a revenge for us because they'd been us in the Coliseum earlier in the year. And I think for me a coach, it was a, I mean, you know, tallies like high school, nothing to me is more,

you're not closer to any other team than your high school team. And the high school championship is still the championship that means the most. Because these are the guys you grew up, you know, elementary school, but it's just, you know, you coach, you sports. and the community, why? Because those games, everybody in your whole town is there. Well, that's kind of like it's Rose Bowl. The collegiate atmosphere, the granddaddy of them all, and we had kind of had a revolt against Vermil

and the practices were so brutal and hard. And a lot of people felt like, hey, man, we thought this was a reward. And he reminded us that the reward, and this is where I learned the thing is that it's not going, to a bowl that counts is winning it. The only thing that matters is winning it. And I know you make fun of me all the time, but the guys that I was coached by made it very clear that the only thing that matters is that we win the game and winning.

And so having great youth coaches, the Herman McCulley's of the world, when you're 25 and 0 at 13 in Pony League ball. And the guy tells you in the beginning of the year that we're never going to lose the game, it kind of shapes you in a way to sick. But it's the way you become. And I'm thankful all these guys that are the kids that you coach that are thankful the things that you allowed them to become principals and how they lived their lives. So, yeah, it was a big thing, man.

And we lost one of our best players in the practice session, Frank Dynamite Stevens. doing ankle injury, broke his ankle, and coming in against that vaunted running game of Archie Griffin and Slab and all those guys, Willis State, they were loaded. Pete Johnson and fullback. So, yeah, it's one I'll never forget. I'll never forget any of the championship runs, and fortunately I was able to win on every level, and those are keepsakes. When you said that the team nearly revolted against head coach Dick Vermeel,

because he was working you so hard. Did that threaten to kind of bring the team down before that game? What do you remember about the specifics of the team being pissed off with the head coach in the lead up to that game? Well, he made it very clear. We were in the locker room. It blew the horn. And to go to practice and nobody moved and he came in.

And I won't devolve the name of the individuals that were involved in it. but he said, hey, coach, we thought this was a reward. And I can't repeat what he said, but he said, the horn's going to go off in 15 minutes. Those that are not on the field,

might as well pack up because you'll no longer be at this university. And needless to say, everybody was on that field in about 13 minutes, and then we proceeded to scrimmage. It was a war. And so when I was watching the diners last night and watching their coach,

you're just reminded of a lot of things. These principles don't really move forward into today's football. It's more like they have rules now. And a lot of these things are better for the game and all of that. But it's a powder puff. Pillow fight now compared to a lot of things that happened in the past. But I'll never forget that. Every time I see Dick, I hug him and I just go, you know, that locker room,

it just lives with you. You do it all the time with your audience, and your audience, they hate me because then you bring me on, and you fill them up with about 2% of content that they care about, and then they blame me for this, and you do this over and over, and that's why. When you're the guest, when you're the guest on the show, I'll handle what's important. I'll handle the production and the content decision. I'm not doing this again, all right? You've said that 15 times over the years that you're not going to do this again.

This is interesting to me right now. So let's just pretend. Call me on the phone. Call me on the phone and we'll talk about it. You know what? I did call you on the phone. We just happened to be recording this. I'm really interested.

You know, we were talking about 30 for 30. We were talking about the Big East. The Big East 30 for 30 is such a great watch. Oh, God loved it. Just please, please just be patient here. I want people to understand. Doc was a, everybody understands how good of a player you were for the skins. And everybody understands what you've meant to this market in terms of your post career as a broadcaster, as a motivational coach, et cetera.

Doc was a big time high school and college football. And by the way, in high school, baseball and track star as well. But I'll save that conversation for another day because I know you don't want to. media to talk about your high school days. But beating the number one team and undefeated Woody Hayes, Archie Griffin, Pete Johnson, Ohio State team on New Year's Day,

all right, in the Rose Bowl, the granddaddy of the mall. You guys were 15-point underdogs in this game. Two Hall of Fame coaches going at it, Vermeel and Woody Hayes, and you were a big part of this game. So I'm interested. interested in this. By the way, the game is available on YouTube. The game is available on YouTube. You can watch the whole game. And Doc did have an afro. Doc did have an afro.

I had an afro. Yeah. And you on vacation and I was kind of harsh. But people love the fact they're trying to predict where you are. Okay. I don't want to talk. I don't want to talk about that. Just no. No. Yes, you do. Oh, God, you're exhausting. You're exhausting sometimes. Tell me about the game. Okay, you're down 3-0 at the half. This is a massive game, okay? I mean, the whole country is watching this game. The entire, the game did a 30 rating on TV. That's a near Super Bowl rating.

All right. So the entire country is watching this game New Year's Day, 1976, because the Buckeyes are going to win a national championship. and the Bruins, by the way, and the beautiful, you know, blues. By the way, Ohio State wore their scarlet. You guys both wore your home uniforms. It's there to watch on YouTube. What happened at halftime? You guys are losing 3-0, and you came out in the second half and blew them out.

Do you remember what was the inspiration, what the adjustments were? What happened between halftime and the second half? just pressure man um we had our defense it didn't get enough credit but they deserved it and ray bell those guys i mean that that group man was awesome and they just it was about pressure and you had to attack that that which bone that they were or whatever the hell they were running with peter johnson archie griffin yeah and uh they were awesome and you can't slam a quarterback who's, of course, a product of the District of Columbia. And a great player.

Oh, man, what a stud. This dude was in a Willis, a wide receiver, world-class sprinter. So they were loaded, but that's why they're number one. I mean, it was no joke. Big strong offensive line, but these guys got after them. And, you know, Cliff and all those boys on defense, man, just really played hard. They've done it all year, you know, and retiring jobs.

Amicay and the Trojans out the same way. So it wasn't like a fluke. We'd earned the right to be there and beating everybody that had stepped in our way, leading up to it. But again, that's what bowl games are about, and we're going to experience them this week. And that's why we may laugh at some of the names of the bowl games, but it doesn't pale in importance.

It means a lot, man. And I'm happy to the kids are getting paid now, because the game, as you mentioned, ratings, the place is packed. It means so much. And you just, it's a once in a lifetime experience, and I'm glad that it's continued,

and I look forward to it, even though, you know, the alignments have changed a little bit. But, you know, and you're still talking, and you're not just mocking me. This stuff really happened, and it was significant.

And it's one of the biggest turnaround may have been one of the biggest upsets. I don't look at, well, you have to look at it. like that because they'd beaten us earlier at home and they were a powerhouse. But you know, you're never out of it unless you believe you're out of it. And that's why, you know, it sounds nuts a lot. But once you go through these kind of things, same thing happened in Washington.

Why wouldn't you believe that anything is possible if you get the right group of guys together and you all rolling in the right direction? Yeah, you guys did lose to Ohio State in the regular season. in the Rose Bowl. No, Coliseum. Oh, in the Coliseum. You played him in the Coliseum. And then that was a revenge game. You know, you talk about this all the time because I listen to you and have listened to you for years. And it's one of the reasons that I think people are attracted to you because you've won championships and you were on championship teams.

You know, as a youth player, as a high schooler, you know, a Rosebo. Bowl champion with UCLA beating the number one team in America, Ohio State, and taking away their national championship 49 years ago. And then in the pros, obviously with the Redskins, you've just experienced so much winning, you know, and it is in many ways the most authentic part of you. And I hope you take that as a compliment because it's intended that way. Because beyond all of the playful sarcasm that makes you, you know, fun to listen to to for all of us. And by the way, that's authentic as well. What's most true about you is you have been a winner in competitive sports at every level. You've been a part of championships. And so you

understand what goes into, you know, a championship effort. And I think that experience, which most people don't get, even if they play at a high level of competitive sports, I think it's a a really big part of what's shaped you as, you know, a person, certainly as an adult. Am I onto something or not? Well, it's the same thing that you shaped those young men, you coach. Okay. This is about you. No, no, no. It's about youth coaches. I've won at 11. So, no, it's not just the pros, it's not just things that people think are famous, somebody famous. It goes back to, winning at 11, Jim Womack as a manager. And the foundations are all placed so that you become, so you're not, you're

unselfish. That it's not about you, it's about us. You become team-oriented. So when you bind to those principles, you're not a jerk. You're trying to go for us, not I. and those are the principles you lended the kids as a coach

that's why I joke you but I admire you for what you've done and sacrificed because all the lives you touch you bring this I know you mock me you mock me but

the seven years of coaching years as a volunteer assistant in this area at Fairfax County as a high school volunteer those are the brightest moment was for me personally, because that way you're able to give back to all the men that sacrifice

their families messing around driving you home. We didn't have a car, driving you home, doing all these things. That's why, as long as I have a live microphone, I will always acknowledge those people, guys like you and all around the area that do give back. And you talk, we woke, you woke me up this morning talking about 30 for 30. Why I talk about coaches, coaches, not players, but coaches, influencers. So you mock me, but I'm proud of the fact that it's about winning. It's not about individuals, this or that, but about championships.

Yeah, I'll always do a rooster move on that because they're so hard to come by, and so few people have them. What Doc's referring to is we were talking early this morning, and I did not see when came out the 30 for 30 on the big east. And it was on last night and I watched it and there's a line from Coach Thompson in there that just made me laugh. So much of it is just, you know, coach in his prime. And there's a line that he delivers and he said, you know, people listen to rich people. People pray for poor people. I want to be rich. And I just thought, God, that is so Coach Thompson. And anyway, but enough of that. No, I think it's interesting because you're, you know, you just talked about it's we, not I,

and you were part of teams that were that way and won because of it. But there are a lot of we people who aren't I people that don't win championships, but are a part of teams. And I wonder if they end up with kind of the same disposition that you have. have gone through your adult life with. And I say that as an admirer of that about you, because you really are, you know, authentic when it comes to, no, it's about winning. It's about winning championships.

Anything short of that is you failed. It's failure, even though the journey in trying to get there is a great experience. You would agree with that. But ultimately, if you don't win it, it's a failure. Well, yeah, I mean, as I say, I'm a collector. A lot of people do it in a lot of different ways. You know, you can a car collector, tools collector. But the championship deal, you know, those are the scars you bear.

And it's not glamorous, but you know it. You've been through it. I mean, and that's the thing that having this microphones allow you to tell the story. And now we've got a team. Look what we've had to suffer through. And a lot of people have been rewarded. So you can make a lot of money and not win. The system, the way the system is, I'm not downing it.

It's the way it is. So, but the idea that you become wealthy and never win to me is just appalling. It's appalling. And now we've been giving this new jolt of belief that we got a chance. Oh, man, it's intoxicated. It really is. And I'm just. We'll get to that.

Really excited about the possibility now. Will there be, do you know, at this point, will there be a 50-year anniversary celebration of that UCLA team? I'm not sure. I'm sure someone will do something. They'll plan it. One thing, again, is you will know. You keep trying to drag me through the rearview mirror,

and I don't do that. I keep them forward. I mean, I'll keep you abreast because I'm sure you'll be very interested in it. I'll let you know. Okay. I will be interested in it, and we can do a whole podcast. We'll do a whole podcast. You might do the whole show on it. I might. I'm sure you will. Well, once you come out and do it live. Let me just tell you something. These are my first memories of watching football. New Year's Day with my father watching the Cotton Bowl, followed by the Rose Bowl, and then the Sugar Bowl was a tradition. Yeah. So I sat there and watched Kurt Gowdy call the Rose Bowl that you were playing in.

you know, not having any idea we'd be having this conversation 49 years later. But you also, you know, in college, got to play for Vermil. You got to play for Terry Donahue. You really did play for some excellent coaches. Anyway, all right. I know you don't want to talk more about this. But let me just mention, and I think I already have,

you can find the 1976 Rose Bowl game, as it was called on NBC on YouTube, and Doc's part of, you know, they announced the teams and they come out and, you know, Richard Walker and, you know, where he's from and his height and his weight. And Doc looks like Doc. He's just got a lot more hair. And he had a really good game, had a good season for a UCLA team that was loaded and ended up ranked fifth in the country that year. All right. Let's talk about our football team. We'll do that right after these words. from a few of our sponsors.

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or because they're a good team? Well, they're a good team that has an exceptional. player. And like most teams that have an exceptional player, they benefit from him, but they're not dog manure, but they're also not a Super Bowl caliber team, in my opinion. They're not a Super Bowl team in your opinion. Caliber team. Yeah. Let's talk about the player first. Seriously. We've talked about them, you know, previously during the course of the year. I mean, how have you been describing him when you've been doing, you know, your stuff, podcast, radio, etc. You know, you don't just jump on board for anybody.

How on board for this guy are you? Well, I'm on board because of how he carries himself. He's a team guy. He's not an internet, social media jerk. He's not, he doesn't wake up in the middle of the night to check how many likes he has. so he's not a huxable. I love this kid for being a real leader with substance. And he didn't just get brand new.

He's been doing this. He's just following this that I think he benefited from his freshman year at Arizona State playing for a pro in Herman Edwards. And learning the NFL game as a toddler and the system and being disciplined with it. He's remarkable, young man, and if protected properly, the sky's the limits when you have a guy of his talent. But my fundamentals are that we've got to run the ball better,

and maybe we will, maybe we won't. But without that, if you don't run the ball better and you don't stop people from running the ball better, I find it very difficult to imagine them going deep. but I'm proud of what they've done. And the sky's still the limit, but they're going to have to change a lot of things in order to play deeper into this playoffs. You hit on something that I've talked a lot about recently.

It's hard to win multiple games in a row in the postseason when you can't stop the run. And they have struggled against teams that can run the football every time they face them. But yet they have good players. Bobby Wagner and Louvo are good players. So what do you see in terms of why they're not a better run-stopping team? Well, there are very few teams in the league that set the edge in a way that they dominate you with that. So that's just not them.

And they're just not a great tackling team yet. And when you don't have – so you've got to be either in this league. Either you're a speed guy or a power guy. You got to be one or the other. When you find teams that are neither or, and you win 11 games, you go, what? And that's where the magic comes in. The key is, they have filled in, their staff is better than the team. Yeah, you really like the staff, don't you?

Well, look, they didn't have to do a hell of a lot to exceed the past group. But they could have just stepped off a stool. but they've done an unbelievable job of teaching and elevating. Standard Steel is a guy, a great example. He came from a great program. He's a switch. The guy played offense,

now he's playing defense. But to play corner without pressure is like asking somebody's never done radio to host a three-hour show solo. It's almost impossible. They have very little, they have inconsistent pressure. pretty much everything they can't do anything on demand.

They can't guarantee they're going to give you pressure. They can't guarantee they're going to stop people. So it's just a matter of the Louisville, one of the guys that really is really good makes the play. And it depends on when that guy does it. And they got enough of them. They rotate it. But if they play a team like Philadelphia that can just punch you and just beat you to death, hitting the body, I'd find that very difficult.

with Hearst in the game and Seekwon in the game with their two receivers in the game that you could beat them for the money. But then again, maybe they can't. Because this kid five is Houdini, and he scares the dickens out of people, anything's possible.

Yeah, anything is possible with him, but I'm with you. It's hard to win four in a row, and that's all you care about, is winning four, which would mean winning the Lombardi. Yeah. If you can't stop the run and defend. The other part of their defense doc is just coverage. And without Latimore, it was

ugly on Sunday night. So, I mean, how with what they, here's a question for you, do you think, like many of our fans do, that Benjamin St. Juice just can't play? No, I'm going to say, Juice, guys. I wish it to leave you, man. What he need not, the thing about Corner is that we got to do a better job as a fan

base of building them up. Why would you tear your own guy down is if you got a better alternative. We saw the alternative. You know, I try to tell people that listen to me. Do you think that the guy that you think is playing poorly? Do you think there's somebody better behind him? And if you do, don't you think they put him in if they agree with you? So do you guys got to wish you.

It's so true. You booed a guy. It's trying as damned as he's six to. He's long. He gives you everything he's got. you get him off the field, they put the other guy in, and he's terrible, and he has no physical presence or anything going for him. So now you've got to bring another guy. It's just we should be boosting this guy's confidence.

Right now, it's mental with him. So how about help our own guys? Why would we hurt our own people? That's ignorant. But that's the Internet phase of people. Now that you have a voice, but nobody has to see your face, you get these what I call, you know, telephone or internet testicles. And it's an ignorance.

We should be pushing our people. I love this kid. I want him to feel like Tarzan, Hercules, when he's out there, so he can make plays for us. Why would I want to beat up my own guy and then send him out to the play for me? It's ignorant. Yeah, I don't think he stinks either. I've never felt that way about Benjamin St. Do I think he's a high-level top-one corner?

No. No. But to your point, and we do this all the time, when I say we, I say me too, where you start to question, you know, in terms of a personnel call, the people who are there every single day and see these people every day, and by the way, also know what they're capable of doing, not just physically, but mentally as well. Yes.

You know? Yes. That's the part we usually don't know. And they put him out there. And then you got to get your wish, and they put the other guy out there, and he's terrible. But they knew that already. You put him in the corner. How would you like to go to Safeway?

And I know nobody knows it. Safeway, Giant, Whole Foods, or whatever. And have people look at you and go, oh, that's a guy that stinks at corner. But they don't say that to the defensive events. They have no pressure. They don't say it to the defensive tackles. no pressure. It works in combination. A corner's

best friend is pressure. How important is it here down the stretch that Tyler Biotish is healthy? Oh my God. He's the MVP of my fath. I call him the Fab 5. Because to me, the most important guys, as you will know,

on a football field, to me, are the five offensive linemen and the four defensive linemen. Because if we're not doing it well at that level, we're in trouble, man. I mean, we're in real trouble. You follow me?

Yeah. So, but everybody wants to talk about wide out. They're going, give me the kids. I mean, he had one drop at the end. It kind of hurt him and us. He would have been, he would have gotten an award. He was having that kind of game. You know, it's just one drop, but that's the way life works.

He was almost there. but I'll still take him. You know, Crowder, love him. I love what these receivers, that receiver room, would they've been able to push themselves to give us production? When Terry, Terry and five did not connect. Well, it wasn't just to carry, Terry got locked down. Kids are a good corner.

But JD5 and Terry weren't grooving. They weren't on the same page. Right. You know, and so it was a combination of that. But Terry's presence love him to death. my favorite player. I feel to me the game of the year for him was the way he blocks.

We play a guy who's a hell of a rush in. Terry blocks as well as a tight end. The dude's amazing. This is a team that you want to cheer from for, but it's also the least amount of talent the J.D. 5 will play for the next 10 years you'll play with. Brian Robinson, Jr., hasn't happened.

you know, big games here recently. He hasn't been healthy all year. There's been that as an issue. But I've talked about Chris Rodriguez for a while now, and I think you like him too. We. We have talked about him. So does he get more carries here, you know, Sunday and then in a playoff game? I mean, they treat him like a guy that shows up to meet he's late, and I know he doesn't. I don't, I haven't figured this out. I don't know what the problem is. He runs like somebody's whole and his family hostage. I love this dude.

Man, I am crying tears screaming for this dude when I'm doing my ex-cast doing the games. And that's like I have so much fun. He runs, I'm telling you,

it's like beast mode. And it was a kid in Dallas that had a similar style. There's only been four or five people. Marion Barber. Marion Barber. Thank you. Yeah.

We remember that game. And that was the first cowboy that I was publicly cheering for. I said, you don't know the hell with it. I don't care if he's playing for Satan's team. I have got to love this dude because of the way he runs the ball. We got a guy, but some reason he's like on a pitch count of like three. And I don't know, but I don't, second guess Cliff. I'm not a coach.

So I just observe. and what I hope to hell they can keep winning without him. But if they ever give this kid 12 carries in the game, I promise you we won't lose that game. You know, the reason I got Marion Barber very quickly is you and I were doing the show together at the time that the Cowboys played Washington on a Sunday night. It was a big game.

Remember, Jim Zorn's team started off really well. Oh, that's right. And at the end of that game, and I just pulled up the play-by-play. Marion Barber got the ball with six minutes and 40 seconds to go and ran the ball on 10 consecutive plays so that Tony Romo could kneel out the rest of the clock. They could not stop him or get him to the ground. He ran out the clock by himself in a 14 to 10 game, and he ended up as the player that came. I remember the next day, you just said, that's Rigo.

They just, Rigo just beat us at the end. Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing. When you play with John and you see the physical abuse that he gave people and took and that you know what it's like to have a guy that doesn't quit and he doesn't let you down. And so you know what's possible the human being can give. When you give it all for him, he gives it back to you. And that's what I see these guys, these backs like him.

It's just amazing how they have. And it's not the only guy. I mean, Chubb ran hard like that, but it's not all of them. And it's just they stand out. And when you have a guy like that, and B. Rob has done that too, but we just got too many absentees on the report card now. And I love him, you know, like a fat kid loves chocolate cake. But I can't, I got to have a guy I can count on to be there,

down after down after down. All right. I'll end it with this. I would assume that since they're playing Dallas in the season finale, they have something to play foreseeding, but they've already clinched a playoff berth. Do you think Quinn should consider at all resting as starters? That's a trick, Quartz. That's funny.

That's funny. You know, I was watching Detroit Frisco. I was watching Detroit Frisco. Last night, I was laughing at Campbell. I just loved this dude. I mean, he just is so funny to me. because I've heard him, I know what he's saying,

and he's not kidding. He believes it. And when you play for guys like him, you understand what he's teaching and preaching. So he can take backups and guys that weren't even in football six weeks ago and put him on a team defensively just decimated, and they can go out and beat a pro team. They can go out and make it because it's a belief,

system. And the moment you shut that down and you buy into society and letting people listen to people that punch keyboards and do math and think math and football, you buy into their scum, then you become them.

So the outside world, that's why they're not playing. They're watching. So that'd be the dumb, first of all, you owe Dallas. You owe them ass kicking for coming to your place and disrupting your season. Humiliated. you on your home turf.

And if that doesn't mean anything to you, then they don't get this thing, that they don't deserve, they deserve their own fate. If you can live with being swept by Dallas and this whole office season, you're not who I think you are. I know they're not.

I know the guys are better than that. And they'll go down there, and you should go down there and gut them. That's the way we should go into this playoffs. And I know what it'll be, who we're going to play? Who cares? Are you afraid of somebody?

I would, me personally, I want to go to Philly. If I could control it, I'm going right to Philadelphia. But, of course, I have no vote in this thing. Right. Well, that's not how it works anyway. But, all right. Well, I understand what you're saying. I know that you've got to ask.

Yeah. Well, you know, I thought there might be a possibility you would say rest the starters and get ready for a championship run. Yeah. I know you're busy for you to do this today is quite an honor. and I appreciate it. I know you've got, you know, golf or a yacht to get to, and a few more days to take off. So, happy New Year to you and Carol, the boys, and everybody.

Give everybody my love, and I will talk to you soon. And I'll get all the hate mail emails now because you do this to me to start off the year. That's okay. I'll get you back because you'll be on another vacation shortly. And I'll get your microphone for an entire week. I love it when you have my microphone. But what I'd love to do is just get involved. once onto your

podcast. One of these days, one of these days we'll do it. You don't do weekends. You call on, no. You call me all the time on weekends. When you're doing radio, I go on whenever you want me to do on weekends. I've never said no to you, ever.

I hear you with the whale. That's just the mess with me. Every time you're on with him on, I know it's just a mess with me. On with who? The whale, a whale. Who's the whale? You know, Willingham.

Oh, with Lonell. Oh, I will go on. I've never once said no to you. But you just don't ask, you don't ask me. No, because I know you're playing golf. Or you play football. Not in 30-degree weather. Or you're playing tennis.

And I haven't played, I don't play pickleball. I did call you. I did call you. I did call you in the winter, and I will call you again. Okay. I will talk to you soon. And thank you for doing. with this, happy New Year.

Well, man. Bye. All right, Doc Walker, everybody. That is it for the day. Happy New Year. Back tomorrow with Tommy.