The Kevin Sheehan Show - Jayden Out For Giants & Maybe More?

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Kevin opened today with the announcement from Dan Quinn that Jayden Daniels won't play against the Giants on Sunday in Jersey. Kevin thinks Daniels' season might be over. Steve Suter jumped on with a Commanders "film breakdown" of the Vikings game. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it, you don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show, here's Kevin. Jayden did reaggregate his elbow injury in the game. No structural setbacks, however. We did medical evaluations over the last couple days, including this morning. Doctors advised us to hold them this Sunday. And so markets will start. Earlier today announcing Jaden Daniels will not play Sunday against the Giants,

Marcus Marieto will get his seventh start of the season. This show's presenting sponsor is always Window Nation, 86690 Nation or WindowNation.com if you need new windows. Steve Suter Film Day today. We'll get to Steve starting in the next segment. One of the several questions that followed that introductory statement from Dan Quinn included when he expects, Jaden will return. Here's what he said. He's going to be out this week of practice as we're going in a limited fashion.

But let's see where we're at next week. We're always going to make the best decisions, John, for him, you know, for the team, what the medical opinions are. So we kind of just wanted to give you that information today and then we can work into next week. So there were a ton of Jaden questions during this press conference after Dan Quinn announced that Jaden was out on Sunday. I was actually on the air doing the radio show and we were carrying it live. And I will tell you that when I heard the answer that I just played for you, his answer to when will Jaden be ready to play? when does he anticipate Jaden being ready to play and he pushed it off until next week. You know, we'll talk about that next week.

I had an immediate reaction to that answer on the air, which I will share with you here momentarily. The whole press conference was, you know, a bit odd because remember he was cleared to come back into the game Sunday in Minneapolis. And then Quinn said on Monday he was just sore, but all as well. And then you get today, the doctor's saying, yeah, he's out. He can't go Sunday against the Giants. In fairness to Quinn, when I say odd, look, he isn't a doctor. And we've seen and heard him before not be super open or super smooth in talking about injuries. You know, they've kept a lot of the injury stuff close to the vest and not really disclosed much of it until they've had to.

Keep in mind, they didn't have to disclose. anything today as it related to Jaden, but they did. They got it out of the way today because he was ruled out. But, you know, him not being a doctor and talking about injuries sometimes, you know, he gets, you know, a little bit out of his depth there. Secondly, one of the reasons, you know, he hasn't been, you know, super great in communicating information on injuries is that he doesn't have to be. You know, he's not obligated to share everything about the injured players on his roster other than, you know, the accurate reporting to the league about who's full, who's limited, who's out of practices on Wednesdays and Thursdays, and then the final injury report

that comes out on Fridays. But after saying Jaden isn't playing this week, he didn't have to say anything else about next week and beyond. And he didn't say anything specific. And he didn't say anything specifically, I did take away something from the last soundbite that I just played for you. But I wanted to play this other exchange because he got a little fidgety for sure with all of the Jaden questions, especially at the end when there was this Q&A back and forth with Ben Standig. Dan, if I'm gathering you right, so it sounds like Jaden was saying the day after or so that there was some sort of discomfort and that led to more testing? No, we knew there was going to be testing from the reaggravation,

but yeah, if you asked any player that what you feel like in-game to post-game or Monday, it's usually significantly different. In the real time, you weren't sure exactly if there was something, some sort of re-aggravation to the decision to keep him out. How much did what happened previously in the Seattle game weigh on you in making that call? It didn't weigh on me. Just where we were in the game, it wasn't going like we wanted. and I thought this is the best call right here.

And so it wasn't a difficult one that I wrestled with in that spot. Like I said, they were just going to make the best decision for him and the team. So they did the evaluation. It was correct. There weren't any, you know, structural setbacks. He wasn't happy about it. But I thought, hey, this is the best decision right now. And, like, I'll continue to do that, whether it was him or anybody else in that spot.

And to that end, I don't know the exact moment you decided for him to not come back, but it was still, I think, the third quarter, 17, nothing in a normal world. That's not a game that a team would say, hey, this is not going right. What does that say, I guess, about your thoughts on where this team is right now that you decided that was specific to the game, specific to the game. It may felt 17-0-0. It didn't feel like 17-0 to me. Well, he's not wrong.

The 17-0 Sunday in Minneapolis did not feel like 17-0. It felt more like 31-0 at that point. With that said, NFL teams don't, you know, typically bail. down 17 midway through the third quarter. That is typically not done. So I mentioned that he was fidgety in some of his Jaden Daniels' answers today. You could see it more than you could hear it. As I listened to that answer again, you don't really hear it, but you see it in his kind

of body language during some of those questions. He knew the questions were coming. For me, on the air, listening to this, when he answered the question about when he anticipates Jaden returning and he pushed it back to next week, that's when I thought, and I said it immediately on the radio show, I thought Jaden's done for the year. That was like the immediate thought that I had and I have not changed my mind a few hours later. And I think part of it, if not all of it, is because, you know, they're worried. They're scared of something much worse happening.

happening in a game that is, you know, standings-wise, meaningless. And with all due respect to the coach, I don't believe him entirely when he says the Seattle game isn't a factor in all of this right now. I think it is. Not just because he was actually injured in the game, because he was, the non-throwing, you know, elbow was dislocated. But it's how it happened, you know, on an RPO in the fourth quarter of a 38 to 7 game, that was long over. You know, the criticism that he took following that game, not just here locally with fans and media,

but national media skewered Quinn in the day or two after that Seattle game for having him in the game at that point. My position was and still is that he shouldn't have been in the game, and if he had been in the game, it should have been to hand the ball off, no risk. You know, dropping him back twice

on that drive midway through the fourth quarter and then running an RPO, you know, down 38 to 7, no team in the history of the game has ever come back from 31 down with seven and a half, eight minutes to go. I thought it was reckless and quite frankly not very smart. And he admitted it. You know, he admitted it the next day. He admitted I made a mistake, you know, and that mistake cost Daniels the next three games. and in my opinion, it cost him a chance to go back into the game Sunday in Minneapolis when he was cleared to go back into the game.

But the memory of Seattle, I think, lingered, and Quinn erred on the side of caution. And I understand that, I do, but it cost him, you know, not only the rest of the game on Sunday, but it cost him the game coming up this week in the Meadowlands against the Giants. And maybe two or three more after that. I think that he's not going to play again this year. I think there's a real good chance that he's done playing this year. And I know that that makes many of you happy. I know that many of you didn't think that there was any value in him playing games

when they are eliminated from, you know, real meaningful games and playoff contention. I disagreed because with five games and nearly 30% of the season left, it was too much of an opportunity for him to play, to get reps, to grow. And as the starting quarterback of this team to actually play some football this year, because he barely played. But now that he's out for this coming week, if I'm wrong, and if they actually do intend on playing him again, you know, the following week against the Eagles at home,

you know, at that point there will only be three games left. And at that point, I might actually start to lean in the direction of, you know what, the juice becomes a little less worth the squeeze. You know, three games left with one of them being the season finale, which sometimes is a meaningless game for everybody involved.

We'll see if it means anything to Philadelphia. That's different than five games left or six games left. When we first started having this conversation, the possibility of him playing against Denver was there, and that would have been more than a third of the season

left. I'm disappointed, man. very disappointed. If he's not going to play the rest of the year, if I'm right about that, and I may not be right, we may find out, you know, a week from today, guess what, he's suiting up, he's playing against the Eagles. But if I'm right, and they are going to put him on ice the rest of the year, they should immediately start preparation for next year. What do I mean by that? Starting with everybody else that's significant to this roster, put him on You know, mysteriously find something and put them on injured reserve. You know, no Terry, no Tunsel, no Cosmi, no Louvre, you know, and a host of others, no Marcus

Marioota. I'd start Josh Johnson. I'd start him this Sunday against the Giants. If the plan really is to shelve Jaden, start Josh Johnson, they know what Marcus Mariota is. We know what he is. He doesn't have to prove anything. And I would imagine, even though he's an unrestricted free agent, he is a part of what they want to do in the off season.

I want him back. I think most of you guys want him back. He's valuable, very valuable. Why play any of your valuable pieces for next year and beyond if the starting quarterback isn't going to play, especially if that starting quarterback is healthy? You know, there's just not a lot to gain and a little bit to lose. Because first of all, if he's sitting as a healthy player, your other significant players, Terry and Tunsell, they're going to look at the coaches and the general manager and say, hey, what about me? I'm sore. You know, by the way, all of this would obviously increase the chances of a higher draft pick, of losing out. Some of you have been rooting for it already.

You know, the loseout train. You know, with three wins right now, there are only three teams that have fewer. The Giants who they play this week, the Raiders and the Titans. I said this on Monday. They still have a shot at the number one overall pick in the draft. So if Jaden ends up getting shelved the rest of the season, get the best possible pick. Replenish your draft cupboard. You know, by trading back with a super high pick, you don't need a quarter.

back. Yeah, I mean, if he's done, they should now start thinking about next year, why play Terry McCorn, Laramie Tunsell, you know, Cosmi, Louvo, Beaudish. I mean, there are certain players that kind of have to play and evaluate all of the players that you're not sure of and let your young players get more experience. By the way, Josh Johnson is a long-time. professional quarterback. It's not like you can't evaluate the other players with him in there.

He has run an offense before. A few other things on this topic, and then I'll get to Steve. And a couple of these things are reaches. I'll just share them with you. But I'll start with this because a caller actually called in and said, Kevin, do you think that it's just for this week because of the fear teams have about the turf at Giant Stadium. If you don't know this,

the Giant Stadium turf is the most despised or certainly among the most despised in the league by players and coaches. There have been so many non-contact injuries on that turf. I doubt it, but it was an interesting thought. By the way, I looked ahead to the weather forecast for Sunday in East Rutherford. super cold, super windy, and maybe a little bit of snow.

I wonder if they're like, look, that turf, the weather, let's bring them back and have them play the final three on grass. Not like there's guaranteed good weather for those games either. They're outdoor games. You know, another thing I thought of, and this is a super reach, but I wonder if they're uncomfortable with Out-Eerts out there. Ertz has been a reliable route runner, reliable catcher, and a safety blanket for not only, you know, Jaden, but Marcus as well. I doubt that had anything to do with it, but I was just thinking about those things.

You know, also one other quick thing, and then we'll get to Steve, if they do make the decision to shut him down, who's driving that decision? I would bet it's Peters. Now, I think they're very close ownership, Peters, Quinn. I don't think it would be Quinn's call. I think all of them would participate in the conversation, but I think it would be Peters who would drive the decision. Anyway, yeah, it sucks that he's not going to play this week. If it leads to him not playing anymore this year,

he would have played a total of six and a half games out of seven. That's not enough football for your second season as an NFL player. I have no concerns about him as a player. I know what the conversations are going to be now for the next eight, nine months about his sophomore slump season, about his regression, about his, you know, his flukeish rookie year. I have no concerns about him as a player. I saw enough last year to know he can do everything at a high level. level, even if, at times, in the six and a half games he played this year, he didn't play

at a high level at times, including, I think, on Sunday against Minnesota. Yeah, I think the only ability for me that is even slightly concerning is his availability. That's, you know, a legitimate concern. I think all the other stuff, almost impossible to evaluate from this season. I was hoping to have more to evaluate. I have a feeling we're not going to get anymore. Steve Souter next, after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, how many times do you get your credit card statement and you go through it and you see a monthly subscription fee for something you don't even use anymore? Well, I've got something that I think can help you. Rocket money. Rocket money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel

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By the way, how long have you been doing the games with Johnny, six, seven years? This might be six. Maybe five or six, actually. Not the best season. Hopefully next year we've got something to really cheer for but Steve's been doing film breakdown for us all year long he's phenomenal at it

and this is going to be an interesting one because Jaden back at the helm only had the ball four possessions before he was pulled out again by the way if you didn't hear Steve earlier today Quinn ruled him out he's not going to play against the Giants I'm actually wondering whether or not he's going to play.

Because if he's healthy to play the following week, there's only three games left at that point. You know, who knows. But let's get started. What we do with Steve typically is he gives us his overview of the 31 to nothing blowout loss in Minnesota. Then we go to the quarterback, and he gives us the breakdown on the quarterback. And then we get the top three and bottom three performers offensively and defensively. So, 31 to nothing to one of the truly worst offensive teams in the NFL coming into this game.

Tell me what you thought, both either watching it live or after the All-22. Mainly after the All-22. I saw the score. I wasn't paying attention to play-by-play when it was on, but I thought I was going to watch a really bad film. You think that when it's 31 zip, I don't think I came off after watching the All-22. thinking that I watched really bad film. I think defensively, I think what got them in trouble is they're just too vanilla defensively. I mean, they played zone coverage like they've been doing out since Stan Quinn's call the plays,

but a vanilla style of that zone defense weren't doing much up front, weren't doing those tricky third-down different play calls that we went over last week with the Broncos, and I think the Vikings were able to take advantage of it. It wasn't like the Vikings were gashing them by big play after big play end, just pushing the Washington defenders off the line of scrimmage. That's not the feel I got. It was more die of slow death, four yards here, three yards here, five yards here, convert a third down, convert a third to six, four more yards, three more yards.

And so I didn't have as many negative plays graded throughout the defense that I thought I was going to, going into the film. Wow. But I think, yes, but that's who they are, right? they're playing zone defense now they don't have guys out of position up front constantly you have Newton playing

D-N and you're going to put pain at the end and you put 10 law at D-N and then you just got guys in there that shouldn't be on the field right we've went over that too but they have to play them because they don't have another option so you try to play with them but don't break but they were breaking I mean they had chances to get off the field

holds like these the field goals but they were converting those first down to turn them into touchdown they're a field goal defense now. That's Washington. I think you should think going on the field, every possession, if you're watching the team. If they hold the team to three, then they did their job, and that might be every possession. But they weren't able to get off the field third down in the red zone and that couldn't hold them to the field goals. They were termed in touchdown. So defensively, it was just like you were just watching a team on the field, but it's not like they, I mean, they did blow some coverages here and there, but it wasn't for 50 yards and 25 yards and big 30-down plays. They were just not making enough plays within first and second down. and third down to get them off the field. Then offensively, I would say just a rough performance all around from, and it really starts from the quarterback position. Jaden had a rough game, in my opinion.

We'll go over some plays there. I think play calling didn't help all that much here. I think Flores, I guess you could say he had Kingsbury's number this game. He probably won that matchup, and then in the run game probably didn't run enough. Probably should have ran some more. That's the strength I think of this team. game. So offensively, although they handled, I've really liked that way they handled the first drive. So the Vikings almost primarily the entire first half would put six and seven guys

mugged up on the line of scrimmage, some in three-point stance, some not, and making Washington try to determine who's coming and who's dropping. And they did that the entire first drive and Washington did a good job of handling it. They weren't gashing it or picking it apart by any means, but they were handling it enough and moving the chains to get themselves down to a four the goal situation. So that was impressive. And the Vikings did that throughout the entire first half and into the third quarter. And there's a bunch of players I want to go over with you, especially in the two-minute,

nice little chess match that I see between Flores and Kingsbury in that aspect of the game. But offensively, just not making plays, right? Not making plays. When they needed to make plays, Debo, you got to make that catch. It's a 7-7 ball game. Then who knows what happens and avoid the Vikings. go on a 12-minute, just die a slow death drive, which was crazy to watch. You just, like, man, they can't get off the field when they had chances.

Put them into a third and 12 there on that possession, too. They could have got off the field. I don't think Noah was in the right position there to help on that Jefferson's screen, which is a good play called by the Vikings. But, I mean, not fun film to watch for sure, but not as terrible as you think you would think from a 31-0 standpoint, especially on defense, but when your offensive players at QB running the helm aren't really helping you offensively into the second quarter and throw out, you're not going to have a chance

to win. That's, first of all, the defensive thing is so interesting because I get what you're saying. You're essentially saying, unlike in previous blowouts, they're not getting gashed every play. They're not giving up the big explosives. So they're methodically, you know, going through them. Look, that 12, the 19 play 98-yard 12-minute, one-second drive was the longest drive Minnesota's had this century in football.

So in 25 years. So you literally are standing watching this thing. And by the way, I love the way you said that, 7-7, who knows, that was a drop, right? Yeah, that's a drop. I mean, he just gets a little bit tripped up as he's going down and I think he messed up his hand-eye coordination, but it's fourth and two.

You're a big-time player or you want to be. It's a big-time throw by Jaden. It's his last read. He goes front. He goes play side, front-side. He has nothing. And Debo's the last read on that play, so it's all or nothing.

It's him or nobody, or Jay's going to have to tuck in and try to do something. And he throws a ball when he's not covered, or excuse me, when he is covered, it's a crazy ball and Devo's got to make a big play and he doesn't make it and it's 7-7 there yeah I mean in the game you want to be in

yeah I think I mean these games and you do such a good job when you call games of like the whole context of it I'm not saying they would have won the game because they literally couldn't get off the field Minnesota was 5 for five on third down in the

first half this was the 31st ranked third down offense in the league and they were six for their seven and whether they were doing it with gash plays or not they were keeping the football but it's amazing when you think about these games the fine line between look they got blown out but i'm not trying to say that they would have won the game but to your point seven seven after matching their opening drive with what would which with what it would have been excuse me with what would have been a 15-play, 85-yard drive

that would have taken, you know, eight and a half minutes, it feels totally different. I mean, you're in the second quarter, 7-7. I mean... And it was impressive. Like, they were handling that 6-and-7 front look, which is they were tested. I mean, that was a clear floor is like,

I'm going to test you and your offensive line. I'm going to see how good your communication is. Can you identify who I'm bringing, who I'm not? I mean, really tricky stuff, and they were handled it. They handled it that whole first drive and got in the scoring position. So it's an impressive drive. It might not look, it wasn't flashy. It didn't look good to the common person watching because they didn't do anything dramatic.

But for me, watching them being able to convert first downs against a defense that was doing those types of things was impressive. So you're 7-7 there. You get them to 3rd and 12, and I know they had that long drive, but you still got into 3rd and 12 outside the Red Zone. and he gave up the screen to Jefferson, and then they go and score. Maybe that's only 10-7 there, and it's still a ballgame. I thought it was still a ball game seven minutes into the third quarter. You only down 14-0, right, coming out at half-time. Yeah.

And you have the ball. And they drove it down. I mean, they had four drives with Jaden in the game. They drove it into the red zone twice. I do want to go back to, you know, as part of this overview, you're going to get to Jaden and break down his game. But I want to focus on the first and goal at the four on their opening drive because this has gotten a lot of conversation this week as it relates to Cliff, Kingsbury.

And you mentioned you thought Flores got the better of Cliff. I didn't think it was a good Cliff game either. I think fans felt like you're running the ball at nearly eight yards per pop with Rodriguez and you're first and goal at the four and you run them on first and goal. and then it's three straight passes. So can we go through that sequence, those four plays? Including, by the way, the first and goal, because I wanted to ask you a question.

Jaden didn't have one designed run call in the game, not one, I don't think option run either, unless you think this first and goal at the four is a zone read. I didn't think it was, and I don't think it was in the game plan to use Jaden as a runner in any capacity other than a scrambler. Like he was in a bit of a protective mode. They were with him.

Was first and goal from the four a zone read, or is it a straight give to Rodriguez? This is a give all the way for me. Okay. I would agree with your assessment. They didn't have any zone reads where it was an option for him to run. And that's probably the right decision,

but you do handicap yourself a little bit from a play-cong standpoint and an offensive standpoint. So if you're going to go into a game handicap, And that's decision you're making. But this is a zone read for sure. He's not pulling here based off the lineman. This is not a zone read. Yeah.

Sorry, sorry, not as over here. This is a give all the way. Yeah. And he gets two yards. It doesn't even like he gets stoned. So I'm on the same page. You got, all right, if you're going to look at the roster of this team, the two best positions on the team, in my opinion, are the offensive line if you want

to consider them one. And then the running backs, shock. I don't think these games out of nowhere. Rodriguez and McNichols, to me, are really good backs. That's the best position on your team you can offer. Really good backs? I mean, I like Rodriguez a lot, but you know, you've seen this year A. Chan and Gibbs and Bijon Robinson, they're not.

Yeah, that's top tier. Yeah, I'm not putting them in the top of here. Yeah, just making sure. But I'm putting them in adequate NFL starting running back. Okay. These guys can run the football, and the best part about them is their past block. Like, McNichols is one of the best third-down backs. I guess I can't say it's definitively because I don't watch all the film of everybody else.

But from what I've seen, this dude doesn't miss blitz pickups almost ever. And in the season, he's had several third and longs where he's caught a checkdown and converted a first down. So he's capable of hands. He's got a little shake. You've seen him break tackles. But he's most impressive is his ability to mesh with the offense. of line and blitz pick up. He's really good at that. So from that

standpoint alone, is Rodriguez, is Rodriguez capable as a pass blocker? Yeah, he is. Okay. He'll stick his nose in there too. I got no issue with him picking up a blitz. Right. Or maintain the block in space. And I think that's why he

is on the field and first and second downs. Right. Because he can do that because you can't tee off on him. I think the struggles of Bill, and I don't want to say he's struggling, but I think, and I get the feel every game I watch, I think the defense is more on their toes coming downhill when Bill's in the game. I'm almost positive.

I don't look at the stats, but I know we went over one time and it was split 19 and 19 or something, but it is leaning more and more towards when he's in the game, it's a handoff. And you've got to be able to get away with that or get away from that or you're just going to keep putting yourself in a bind offensive. So that's why I don't think some of the runs are popping

for Bill because it's a little harder for the offense of the line of block when he's in the game because the defense is anticipating and runs. You see it all the time, right? Third and ones are hard to get when the defense knows you're running. So if you even put that at first and ten, and I know you're running, it's going to be hard for you to run. So I think that's some of the struggle there.

That's interesting, but do you, like, I think he's had some good runs the last couple of weeks. I like Rodriguez more. I do. But I think Kroski Merritt has some, he's not, he's not a negative when he's out there, even if they know he's running. Don't disagree with that either. My thing with him and what I think he needs to evolve into is he needs a little bit more

style in his running. He's one-dimensional right now, the way I watch him, and it's a good dimension. It's hard. He wants to run fast and hard. Great qualities in a running back. But not great qualities every play in a running back. You need just a little bit more style, a little. I think Rodriguez has, I can go hard and fast, I can get shifty in a hole, I can jump cut a little left when the play's not there, more so. I'm not saying Bill can't do those things, but I think Rodriguez shows a little bit more of all of those things. And that's why he's a little bit more effective as a runner. And even if you want to argue Bill is a better runner, then the difference is Rodriguez is a better pass blocker. And I don't think the gap between them, too, as runners is as great as the gap between them and Blitz pickup. So for that,

reason you keep Rodriguez in or you keep the Nichols in. Well, Rodriguez, too, is a much better after-contact runner. Yeah, just balance, right? It's another style. He's balanced when he's getting hit versus, like, Bill wants to run through everybody, but that's not how you break every tackle. I mean, it's a science to it. It's just, you know, breaking tackles and running in holes is there's a sign to it,

and the good ones are great at it, and others are just okay at it. And he can get better, but that's just my observation of him as a runner just a little bit more. patience and style. Yeah, I like Rodriguez, too. And Rodriguez, he's a big dude. I mean, he's 225, 230, you know? Yeah. All right, back to that sequence that I wanted to go through.

Okay, so first, the two-yard run to kick it off is not a zone read. So let's get to second and goal, the Brandon Coleman tackle eligible throw. Yeah, so if we've, everybody's been paying attention to me, I've been waiting. where's the sixth linemen? Where's the extra linemen? They don't run it anymore, step on goal at. Bring in the sixth lineman. They're very good at that, whether it was Coleman or Scott, I think they were both decent at adding that extra element. This isn't how

I wanted you to bring in the six linemen. Right. This isn't it. Yeah. This isn't, I mean, this is just getting too cute. I mean, it's a tackle eligible play. He's running a corner route off this play action. He's probably ran this route three times all season, maybe only twice. this week. They maybe just put it in. And, you know, maybe I'm exaggerating

a little bit, but the point is this guy's not going out and practicing them running these cornerouts. And I think it's just, you're trying to get too cute. You just got two yards on first down. It's second and two. This would have been four downs of running for me with this offense, with the

strength, this offensive line, this running game, and using Jayden as a dimension. Now, they may have went in and Dan Quinn gave specific orders. You're not going to use them as a running threat at all. And maybe Kingsbury thought that handicapped him too much down here in the goal line that he needed to get

cute and throw the football. But I don't think that's the way you go about it. You try to run this football. I mean, Chaden, when he comes off this play action and he starts the boot, he could plant his foot in the ground to 10-yard line. And you could argue Coleman is open. You could argue that for sure.

But then you could also say when he plants, Coleman is engaged with that corner, Murphy. He's engaged with him. do I trust my tackle to swim move Murphy and win on a corner route that he's ran three times in his life so I totally understand him eating this this is probably for Jaden and maybe even the coach stuff

when they practice this is if he's butt naked you toss it to him if he's not then you don't throw a jump ball or a corner versus a tackle I wouldn't do that either so I don't have an issue with him not tossing this up because it wasn't wide open and I just think it's a bad play call I mean it was really cool in the Sports Center highlight

well let me just tell you Jaden's very first touchdown pass as a rookie last year Monday night football against the Bengals tackle eligible touchdown pass to Trent Scott there you go but he was wide open wide open

you know what I would like better is a speed like like fake a speed option with Jaden involved running towards the tackle eligible player. Then it's more believable, right? Then Murphy's going to come up. He's going to think it's a run because it's run his way.

Yeah. It's not booed away. So Murphy doesn't care that. He doesn't care that much about this run action away from him. He's a corner on the goal line. And run is going away from him. Why would he care? Yeah. This thing is poor play design. You think Murphy backside corner is going to be affected that much on this play action pass that Coleman's going to get by him. He almost does. He does. Almost works.

So it's interesting about this play because when I first watched it and I came in here and did kind of the post game show, I was like, I don't know if that's a miss by Jaden or just, you know, it's a tackle. And if he lets it go, he's got to let it go early. And then the tackle you've got to rely on a tackle to basically, when he turns, the ball's already in the air. And then, by the way, Eric Wilson is in his face pretty quickly. So you think that this is bad play design and that Jaden tossing it out was okay. You didn't ding him for the play. I didn't ding him for the play, no.

If this is complete, he's got to float this thing almost to the back corner of his own, and everybody's going to hold their breath and watch Coleman try to track it down. And maybe it works. then maybe it would, but... You know what would have worked better? Handing the ball off to number 36. All right, so let's go to third and goal at the two. First question before you give me the play,

did you see Ertz held by Van Ginkle, 43? I didn't initially, no. Cheeky hold here, I'm watching it right now. Yeah, this is a cheeky old. See, this play, I just didn't... I think the play call is outmatched for the defensive play call, because Ertz, and I believe it's Bates. Yeah, Erts and Bates, they're running zone routes here and just sitting down.

I think they expected a totally different coverage here, and they just squat. And let's say the play was for them to become post-defenders or offensive centers and box these dudes out and expect a quick hit and throw. They didn't get that. I think they think they were getting blitzed here. These guys are going to be quick hiters, and they wanted to hit. Oh, yeah, see, they want a little angle route with Ertz. You see, Ertz?

He wants to run a little anger out, but he can't win on this coverage because it's not really man coverage. And he also gets grabbed. And then he gets grabbed, but nothing's holding the flat defender up on the top of the stream. They're doubling. Right. Dublin, Noah, because there's no flat presence. So that's dead. Bates is dead.

Ertz is dead. Terry, I mean, technically wins down here on the slant, but he's looking front side this whole time. He's not even concerned with Terry. So he's got a scramble here. So it's just a play call that doesn't match the defense that you're going to get, you thought you're going to get. So then you've got to, you know, check the fours. He wins that matchup.

Okay. We move to fourth in goal. Fourth and goal. So take it again. Yeah, take me through it. Yeah. So it's really good by Jaydon. He wants to read front side like he does.

He doesn't have earths right away in the flats. They're taken away. They're in cover two. cover two down the goal line is very hard to throw against because you've got I mean any plays it's hard to pass in the red zone because of the end zone it's all condensed he doesn't have his first look he doesn't have his second look which is noah Terry's running through the middle of the field he's covered the only play now he's got to come to a backside last read debo

who's running a dig on the end of the end zone and he's not open when he throws this football he needs to trust Debo's going to get around that safety and he's got to throw a perfect football and I think he does. He pulls it off. So really good read by Jaden. He went through his progression and he throws a really difficult football under pressure

fourth and two. And Debo's got to come up with that. Yeah, Debo's got to catch that. It's like the turf, it's like he started to stumble a little bit. Yeah, a little turf monster caught his toe threw his hand-eye coordination off and he ended up dropping it. Maybe he kicked

that safety's toe too. Maybe they kick your feet. It's hard to see on all 22, but still hits him in his hands, sport than two. You want to be a big player? You've got to make a big play. Should have been seven to seven. Should have been, might have been a different conversation altogether. So I wanted to, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. No, you go ahead. Good stuff. I want to got some good stuff. I wanted to take you through.

Okay, do it. Some chess match with the coaches that I found really interesting. Floors and Kingsbury? Yeah. Okay. And then some fundamental issues that I think you could night and day change the outcome of some of these plays just off snap count. So let's go to five minutes, 33 seconds in the second quarter. 533 second quarter.

Got it. And this is the stuff. I don't really love this stuff. When you have the guards, looking back at the quarterback, getting the indication that they're ready to receive the snap, you give the indicator to the center, and they go about the cadence. Washington was just too easy to time this up. If you watch Grinard, Jonathan Grinard number 58, he was teeing off on these snap counts almost the entire game, and it didn't make sense to me.

So watch this first play. Oh, my God, I'm watching it right now. Yeah. He gets such a jump. And let me just explain what you were just saying. Cosme, we've all seen it, especially the road team, you know, when you're, it's a loud, you know, a crowd for the defense. And Cosmi is going to indicate to Beiotish that we're now going into the snap.

And Grenard's the outside edge. And, yeah, I mean, go ahead from there. So, yeah, right. So they needed to, I'll give you the first time. Why, we do this the first time, Cosme gives us a signal, Beiotis does the head drop. He does this little head drop and then snaps it immediately after. Well, this is like, you know, Grenard must watch.

APEC's, this cadence is probably once, Biotich dips his head, that snaps coming right away, and he's going to take off on this first one. So they do it this first time. Bates has no chance at blocking Bernard right here, and it could have been a decent run. This is blocked really well, interiorly.

You know, Connolly gets his feel, Cognny does, Bianch's turning. This is going to be Rodriguez on Murphy. This is a running play to Rodriguez, just so everybody knows, yes. I see it. It's five yards, but it's, It could have been a lot bigger.

If he doesn't have... Grenard makes a tackle. If he doesn't have to deal with him, it's him versus Murphy. Yeah. And that five yards could be 15, 20, maybe more. But that's just from a snap count. All right, but I'll give you that, right? You got us.

Okay. Both the very next play, very next play, at 457. Very next play. Same thing. They don't change. So, in my opinion, Bates should have gone back to the huddle and said, hey, Jayden, you know, Grenard is on our snap count. I got no chance to block them.

You got to switch up the cadence. Well, they don't do it. So they get this another jump. Granard is gone. Oh, my God. Connerly has no chance to block right there. Now, this place is broken down. And he's got Terry up top on a little five-yard out.

He's going to get the first down. This is third and five. This is critical. Yeah. This is about staying on the field or not staying on the field, and it could all have been solved by just going on two. Oh, my God. Grinard's getting this jump.

So now, if I'm Connerly, you should be going back to the huddle or on the sideline, because now you're punting and saying, hey, guys, Grenard is on our snap count. We need to switch it up. I would think the coaches should be seeing this in the film. Like, dang, look at that jump he's getting. We need to switch up the cadence. But I didn't see that. I mean, one time going on two, or if you were going on two,

or if you were going on two, going on three, and Granard's going to be in the neutral zone, and he's not going to do it anymore. He's going to get flagged. Correct. Correct. Go to, and that leads us in, since we're going into this two-minute drill, that leads us into this two-minute drill where you're going to see some of that happened again, but I want to point out this chess match. So go to 1-45 second quarter. You're starting the two-minute drill, and this is Flores versus Kingsbury versus Jaden. We'll put Jaden in here too. So you're going to get a three-by-one formation, three-receivers down to the field, one up top, backs offset, and the Vikings show what looks like a cover zero. Everybody's on the line of scrimmage, four secondary players. Well, they got four guys to cover your four guys.

You've got to figure out who's blitzing, who's not blitzing. So let's watch the play. They come. This isn't all out blitz. They come cover zero. Jaden sees it, throws a little speed out to Terry. You get six yards. All right, good job. But what you need to look at is Zach Ertz,

because this is where kind of the checks match starts too. Erch jumps off the line of scrimmage. He knows he's hot. He just turns around. He's expecting the football right away. He doesn't go to him. I'm not saying he has to go to him because Terry's still also a hot route, too.

It's a build-in, speed out. You can take Terry there. Sure, go ahead. I got no issues with that. Go to the very next play. 142. This is funny. I don't see, you know, if I found this,

three-by-one again. You don't get him, same formation. And Vikings are shown same formation. And it's like, all right, I'm going to do the same. You do the same. Now, it looks to me like Zach and Jaden must have talked in the huddle because they all come again. Cover zero. Erch does the same thing.

He pops out. He's ready for this. The guy covering him is the guy trying to pretend like he's a free safety. He's never getting there. Jaden doesn't come to him. He elects to go to the spot route that Terry's running. And based off Zach, the way he looks, he just like looks back at Jaden. I'm almost positive.

He'd be like, dude, I'm hot two times in a row. we probably just said next time they do that I'm open and you still didn't throw it to me so he looks like he's a little frustrated yeah right go to now that's why by the way that the that play real quickly drew breeze on the call of the game gave jaden credit for avoiding the sack and avoiding a grounding penalty by knowing where his receivers were and he was able to dirt the ball in the general direction of Terry. But when I looked at this on the All-22 yesterday, they showed an end zone view of this. It was zero blitz again. By the way, they either

the seven at the line of scrimmage seemed to be a given, and sometimes they rush four, and sometimes they rush seven. But what I said was, I think Jaden's supposed to go to Ertz, because Ertz against zero coverage blitz

does the hot route thing. where he goes three yards and turns around, I'm here. And so Drew Brees didn't get that right. The Hall of Fame quarterback, right? He should have thrown to Ertz. I think he should go to Hertz. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, hard for me to say he's not right, but I think it hurts here. And if you compare, if you combo it with the play we just watched. Yeah. Right. It's not like this was the first we just saw. Right. This is, we just. But the other one he threw to Terry, who you said was hot.

two when they got six yards. Yeah, it's a different route. This is a spot route, which is running towards that line and that's blitz and it's going to make the throw even harder. I think there's no reason why he is not looking at Earth, in my opinion. You can look at Terry. I get it, but you just did look at Terry. I'm sure Zach communicated.

When the running back is crossing Jaden's face here to pick up this blitz, that's another tail-tale sign for Jaden to know he's getting blitz on the right side. My hot could be over there, too. I think it's an easy 10 yards. You're going to pick up with Ertz. Yeah. If you're looking that way. So I just, you know, in the moment, I don't think you should do it.

So now the next play, minute 40, this, they don't run the three by one. And so they get a different coverage from Minnesota. This one I dinged, I dinged him on too. I don't think he's making the right read here, Jaden. Oh, you dinged? You dinged Jaden on this one. Okay, so it's the next play I'm looking at it right now. Tell me what happens.

Yep. Middle, excuse me, minute 40, so they go empty, five wide. This is a third and four. This is the low throw that he completes to Terry. Yeah. For the first down. So I get it. You can go there, but he made it harder than he had to.

I think the read is to the front side and Debo over the middle is your play. Got it. And then your backup route is Noah Brown. Now, he had to throw the ball outside, low and away, and he gets away with it, gets the first down. I think Terry makes a really good catch to keep the check. chains moving. That was the only play they kind of switched in this two minute now minute 22. Now we're back to

the chest man. Hold on on this one. Do you think that he thinks he's getting zero again? No. I don't. I just think he picked his pre-snap read. Got it. He's hoping he gets Terry in that little hook. All right. Next play where do you, 122?

Minutes. Minutes. Yeah. Now you're back to the three by one. Yeah. and you're back to the cover zero look Minnesota's doing the same thing you're doing but what Minnesota changes up here is they saw in the last two previous plays

what I saw Hertz wide open and so they fake the blitz with Eric Wilson and he drops back and he picks up that pop pass for Hertz and Jaden goes to Terry again

so with him going three times to Terry either that is built into their rules that he has to go over there because that's the only reason I can think you would do that. Well, it's a good thing that he doesn't throw to Ertz here, right? Yeah, but I think it's lucky, right?

Well, maybe he's not lucky. He's instructed to go there. Okay. But he's not seeing this pop pass, but Minnesota saw it, and they put a defender out here to catch it just in case. Just a little coaching chess match, and I think Flores is winning a little bit,

and then the very next play. Same thing. We're getting another 3-1, minute 19. I mean, these are plays in six. session. In the two minute. In the two minute, Washington is in the same formation. Minnesota's in the same defensive shell. Now, Clingesbury finally is like, I'm going to call a play to beat the cover zero. So he calls his screen. So Washington does a little switch. They move Zach Urch into the slot and they put Debo tighter to line scrimmage because they want Zach the block in the screen.

But Minnesota tricks them. We showed you zero every time you did this for the last four plays. Now we're all back out. And you called a screen into our zone. cover three here. That's an easy shutdown by Minnesota and we win again. So I think it's a combination of Kingsbury being a little one step behind maybe, but you could also argue the rules, whatever those rules indicate that force him to throw a ball to Terry every time it cover

zero, either Jaden's not doing that correctly and he doesn't have to throw it there every time and he should be throwing hot to Earths occasionally or at least he has the option to. So that's why I think it's a combination of Jaden and Kingsbury just not winning there and the floor is winning on that two minute drill and then you don't get any points you know the interesting thing about this play is I didn't realize this was a screen until you just mentioned it because I talked about this play this is the negative one yarder where I thought he was checking it down to Debo I see the screen now

I see the Noah Brown and Ertz blocking for the screen but I thought that Jaden you know finally They're showing zero, and they don't come with zero. They come with four, and I'm like he, this was, I made the comment that they're, they're confused right now, and now he's getting a little fidgety in the pocket because he could have stayed in the pocket on this one. But it was a scream call. It was a scream. Yeah, I think this is a screen all the way. Yeah.

Kurt is blocking right off the line of scrimmage. And I think what throws Jaden is the two Mike linebackers drop out. So he's like, oh, geez, this isn't a scream. You know, we got the screen called. It's probably not going to work. And he doesn't even attempt to throw it. I don't know if he really sees Van Ginkle coming off the line of scrimmage, too. It doesn't look like he's looking that way initially,

but the play's busted, I think, from the jump, because you just called a dead play into a better defense. And then all that stuff compounds into why you didn't score any point. Well, I mean, I think you've hit on one thing that everybody's been talking about this week, and that is that Brian Flores got the best of Kingsbury and Jaden. you know, with pre-snap stuff. The,

back to the cadence thing with Grenard, because that's really interesting. I mean, go to 14, 17 in the third quarter. You're coming right out of halftime. Maybe you would make an adjustment. They don't.

The cadence, they're all over the cadence. 14, 17 in the third quarter. I'm here. Yeah, I'm here. I mean, this is, I mean, he's off the football. But now he's, look, same action. Cosmy looks back, gives his arm to biotic, so he sees out the corner of his eye. He does his little head knot, snap. Oh, my God.

It's the same thing every single time. Connerally doesn't have a chance to get this block. And now Jaden's got a scramble. And now you think Jaden's a scrambler because he's not letting the play develop. Now, he doesn't have anybody open because they're all running zone routes into his own guys. But the play doesn't have a chance. Just called the snap count. Now, again, maybe that's a Gannon thing.

We've got to look into this. Why aren't they on the sideline coming out? This is like the first, this is the second play coming out at halftime, right? Yeah. They didn't talk about that at half. You got to, hey, guys, why is Bernard getting off the boss of fest? Oh, I don't know, because we're going the same cadence every freaking time. Can we go on two?

Can we change it up? Is it that loud in there? Well, it is one of the loudest stadiums. Yeah, it is one of the loudest stadiums. Yeah, it is one of the loudest stadiums in the league. But Beiotich, I mean, the linemen are going off the ball anyway, the offensive lineman. So, like, Beaudits, put your head down, and then don't snap right away. Hold for a count.

Oh, my God. Grenard. I had no idea until this, how disruptive Grenard was because of the snap count. So 1115, he's not done. He's, he keep... 1115. Well, whose fault is it for continuing to run? the same snap count when 58 Grenard is killing you with it.

That's a great question. What time am I going to? 11.15 in the third quarter. So now you think they changed the action here. Cosme doesn't do the looking back. Now the audits puts his head down and he just goes off Jaden's knee. But it's right after the knee. And Gerard is all over.

He's all over it. In the backfield, he's all over this. His timing of their cadence screws up most of their offense throughout the day. Now, he's throwing a screen to Debo here. He's not really affecting to play that much, but it's the principle that they're not aware of it, and they're not changing to help them out. This is second and six.

You can get easy five yards here. Get him to jump off sides. Unbelievable. They switch up the cadence. Tell me, is there another one? Because people, let me just mention, Grinard is so quick off this snap count, whether it's Bates or whether it's Connerley Jr.,

they have no shot. He's into the backfield. You know, one of the comments that, one of the observations was, my God, the quick pressures, they didn't have a plan for the pressures. Well, part of that plan should have been mixing up the cadence in snap counts. absolutely so it's an easy fix to help your quote unquote struggling offense let's get some five yards

here this guy even if you don't get them to jump you got to get them to not be that fast off the snap you got to switch up the case and just watching how confident he was makes me think they weren't doing any variations all right wow that's that's fascinating uh No, really, like, that's not, I mean, when you're watching the game as a fan, it's like they're incredibly, I mean, they're quick pressures. I didn't identify that it was always Grenard. I don't think it was always Grenard. They had some other issues protection-wise, too. But the fact that really the protection in this case with him on what did you just show me, four or five different plays, isn't necessarily blocking its snap count. correct all right

help yourself out help your team you gotta help your guys block by just being inconsistent don't be consistent on your cadence so before we get to

Jaden and your breakdown and you're great of him I wanted to I just ask you about the way they came out in the third quarter they came out with more under center more heavy and was that

you know after they didn't run the ball, second and goal, third and goal, fourth and goal on the opening drive. And then, by the way, they only had the ball another two times in the first half. So on their fourth drive, which is the first one of the third quarter, this was an adjustment that Kingsbury made it half time to get him under center more, right? Sure. Had to be. I mean, you've got to come out and do something from a standpoint of trying to get the advantage back in your favor. And if you think putting him under center is the way to go, then do it. I don't, and it could, some of it could have been from the jumps that they were getting offline because it was too easy for them to identify

when the snap was coming in shotgun. Not as easy to do that under center. You can go on a different cadence. So maybe that was their answer, but when they win the shotgun, it was just too easy for them to tee off on that cadence, blowing the plays up. And they should be a team trying to run the football. And you have to show me you can stop it. That's how I would approach every game as a Washington offensive coordinator. You've got a strong offensive line. You have strong running backs like we mentioned.

Give them a shot. I mean, they actually, you know, on two under-center plays, I think it was, you can tell me if it was more than that or less than that. But they lined up in the eye formation with them under center, with a full-back. It was actually, I think, Yankoff 80 was back there. Remember he caught a pass last week against Denver lining up as a full-back? but yeah

I mean it was it was yeah and it was there were good runs out of that you know eye formation with

you know multiple titans very close a lot of all the games I've watched and they're a good run blocking team

they're it's almost a handful of times a game I'm watching where you're just like oh man and I'm breaking down

the film you're one block away from it bust and loose and they you know somebody will just break down, and it's only four yards, and it could have been 24 yards.

And so you just got to stick with it. Those games are, those runs are going to pop. I mean, do you think they should be a heavy 12 and 13 personnel team? I think they already are. Yeah. I've seen a lot of clips of Bates and Ertz and Senate. Part of that was because they didn't have the receivers, you know, a few weeks ago. But even in this game, Bates, Ertz, Yankoff.

Yep. it seems like it's a trend everybody in the league are running a lot of 12 and 13 I mean the Packers do it a lot They love double tight ends Speaking of them you loved Jordan Love In Week 2 and I've loved I've loved him too

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I graded him as a C-minus. I thought it was a difficult game in spots, especially the last play, which was the screen interception. So how did you see it? I have a pretty similar grade. Good job, Kevin. I'm just below that too. I'm probably a C-minus more bad than good, actually. One of the games where I don't think he performed very well.

He had, we talked about, we already watched those plays in the two-minute where I think he's making a mistake a couple of times, not going to hurts. Maybe I'm wrong, and he's his whole state he goes to Terry every time. but then he had some misthroes. Actually, funny you bring up, I really liked that play where he threw the interception from a on-the-ball standpoint

of reading cover zero. He checks the ball, excuse me, he checks the play for a Terry screen, and I think if they executed, it's going to the house. I think it's a touchdown.

Hold on for a second. Hold on for a second. Okay. Let me just make you aware of something. And then I'll see if you still feel this way. Van Ginkle number 43 on Friday's show, my number two key after being able to stop the run and put the game on McCarthy, that was my number one. And by the way, they didn't do either one, but to your point, there weren't a lot of explosives. But the number two key was, do not throw a screen or a flat pass wherever Van Ginkle is.

Steve, this guy has been an absolute terror as a PBU, you know, interception, reading screens. He's just got the best anticipation for any player in the league at that position. I don't think I've ever heard anybody say you're not allowed to throw a screen because of a player. You can't throw it inside because there's Dion out there. That's prime time. Well, let me just tell you. Jay Gruden, Jay Gruden comes on with me every Friday. I opened with whatever you do, no screens or no flat passes near 43.

Now, let me just tell you, he's been one of my favorite players for going back to when he was with the dolphins. He scored a touchdown against Washington in 2023 picking off a bubble screen and taking into the house. But Jay Gruden comes on with me and he says, one thing they better not do, don't throw the, Don't throw any screens near Van Ginkle. And I'm like, exactly. So now you're telling me this is a good play by Jaden? Okay. Well, maybe I have to retract it.

No, you don't have to. I want you to tell me about it. So what I like from the standpoint is him identifying, come up and pre-snap, identifying the play he's in, it's not going to work. They're in a bunch formation. I don't know what the play is, but he knows it's not going to work. It's probably a longer developing play. He's not going to have time to do it.

He comes up to the line of screen. He checks to a screen. Emotions tear you out to get more with for the screen to work. And so that has time to develop. So I like all those pre-snap things of him mentally being on the same page of what would work. Now, with the intel that you've just shared with me, if he did have a scouting report that said, don't check to the screen towards Van Winkle. Van Winkle.

Oh, I'm sorry. What did I say, Winkle? Van Winkle. It's fine. All right. Van Winkle is out. He's wide awake, too, yeah. If that's the game plan, then he's going against the game plan.

But I love everything for a pre-samp. And, again, if Van Ginkle doesn't get his hand on this, I think it's a touchdown. It's hard to see now the angle that Jayden's throwing this and whether or not he's leading Terry towards the line of scrimmage enough where Zach Urge is going to pick up this block. I think he was going to be able to get just enough of him that Terry's going to, you know, if he's getting a hand on him he'll break that tackle and then every lineman gets out clean and it's going to be a house call

with Van Ginkle just blows it up and it's a great play by him. This is so interesting. So first things first, I didn't know, I assumed Jaden checked to the screen. It's obvious that he checked to the screen, right? Yep. Okay, so that's number one. Number two, we've already talked about you think he checks to the screen. It's zero

coverage blitz. He reads it pre-snap. this is good. You're complimenting him on this. But then you just said, you think it goes to the house. Doesn't Ertz just miss the block? Isn't this going to get blown up? I think what you're seeing is a reaction to Terry because he sees the ball going tip, and I think he moves left, and then you see the corner reacting too. And I think it's enough where he's coming behind. If the ball is on plane for Terry to come down the line of scrimmage, then he's going to run into Earth. So the block's going to happen organically.

I think it looks like he whist on the block because the ball's going the way it shouldn't. You know, everybody's reacting the way they shouldn't. I mean, it might be a bang, bang, and maybe I'm wrong. He does make the tackle, but it has a shot. Oh, I see what you're saying. It's because he wants, look, the corner knows that Van Ginkle might make the play.

And so he, yes, so the, he reacts to the, to that. And maybe if without Van Ginkle disrupting the play, the corner's off, and it's got a chance to go. Got a chance. And you're 14-7, and it's a game. Yeah, I know. And Van Ginkle just makes a really good play now based on, I guess he's been doing it this whole career. I'll just start paying attention to it. Oh, he's been phenomenal at doing this.

It's what he's known for. But I want to, that's interesting. I mean, that's fascinating. Right before you're down with that. I killed him. I said, listen, the grade that I gave him, C-minus, is in part because of two plays that you actually didn't ding him for. The pick to Van Ginkle. And also, I ended up dinging him ultimately on this second and goal tackle eligible because I thought he probably could have, you know, as you said, floated it out there immediately, whether or not it would have been caught or not. All right, so. Well, I ding him on this play, just not the full negative points.

Got it. Yeah. I give him credit for all the pre-sap stuff. I think he checks into a touchdown play, and I think Van Ginkold just makes a really good play. So why do you ding Jaden? Why do you ding Jaden if Van Gekyll made a great play? It's still a pick, and I do, part of me says I don't think he's throwing Terry down the line of scrimmage. And if he throws him down the line of scrimmage more, Ginkl doesn't get a hand on this.

But maybe he does. Maybe Ginkle gets his left hand instead of his right hand on it. I'm watching it right now because he may, yes. You're saying. I think the angles off a little bit. Interesting. Yeah, because he's throwing the bubble. If he leads him more down, then it's, I think he can't ask Ginkle and it's a T-D.

But it's hard to watch. I mean, it's hard to see them all in the line and determine that. So if we're using like round numbers, I'd subtract 10 points from the score. I only subtracted five, because I like the pre-snap stuff. That's fascinating. I think if so is a mental edge. What about the play before it? What about the third and three?

That was a bad throw by Jaden to Noah Brown, right? Yeah, bad throw. Yeah, go to that too, because my note on that play is Washington does not have a corner that can break on a pass like Isaiah Rogers does on this play. Watch how fast he breaks on this out by Noah. regardless, you know, pre-sentence, his burst, when he sees out and he wants to break, Washington doesn't have anybody in the secondary that looks like that. Yeah, and I don't even know if Isaiah Rogers is a really good corner.

He is. He had a legendary game early this season against Cincinnati. I think he scored defensively two or three touchdowns in the same game. I actually want to go look it up right now because I think it was a record-breaking defensive game. but this break on the ball is great this acceleration is just crazy even if jaden puts the ball and no he rogers is probably still breaking it up but jaden doesn't give him a chance on this out there to make play maybe his instincts see rogers break on it really hard so he puts it more outside because he's afraid it's going to get picked that could happen instantaneously

just because he sees it but that break was just i mean i wrote it i watched it several i'm watching it so times right now i was like wow burst. Isaiah Rogers against Cincinnati. You ready for this? He had an interception return, 87-yard interception return for a touchdown. He had a 66-yard fumble return for a touchdown. He also had just two forced fumbles all together in the game. That's quality production there, Mr. Rogers. 48 to 10, they beat Cincinnati earlier in the year. All right. Go to 113. There's another one. I think he had a shot here

with Terry. 11.13, what quarter? Yeah, third quarter. 11.13, third quarter. It's third and six. Yeah. So, look, you don't see this much. Harrison, the safety. Harrison Smith. Harrison Smith is a yard off the line of scrimmage.

And he's going to end up being the deep safety on this play. And he's at a yard off the line scrimmage at the snap of the ball and just turns and sprints. And Terry's running a deep corner. Now, it is cover three. is another corner over there, but I think he's beaten the corner, and you've got to

give Terry a shot here. He's strife for stride with Harrison Smith, and he's I mean, you could say he's a half a step ahead of him, and I think Jayden's got to lay this ball up, and he's got time to do it. He could do it when he plants his foot and steps up into the pocket.

He then extends the play and comes outside the pocket. He could still throw it at any time. I think he can lay that ball up. A good ball there, and a good catch and I think you got a touchdown and I'm not sure why he doesn't pull the trigger here so what he sees he doesn't like

the picture I see on the in the film I mean he when Terry's on the 15 yard line if you can pause it or he gets to the 15 yeah what don't you like there what don't you like there he's got five yards on the corner

and he's got leverage on Harris he's looking at him he's looking at him yeah and he's looking right at him just throwing the back of the end and that ball should should catch his ball and maybe be dragging his feet in the back. It is third and six. And he does think he can get it with his legs.

So I dinged him on this play for a different reason. Looking at it right now, can I just say something, Harrison Smith has been one of the best free safeties in the NFL throughout his career. But how crazy is that? I know. Starts at the line of scrimmage and he ends up being the deepest defender. But I dinged him because when he extended the play, if he, Debo, the defender covering Debo is coming up to stop,

and he can flip it to Debo and that's a much safer conversion. You know what? He does pump it. He does pump it. He pumps it to Debo. I didn't catch that before. Now, does he think he's crossed the line of scrimmage? He very well. He very might well.

I can't jump in his head here, but you would think he can see the down in distance mark because he's running right at it. He should be able to see that out of the corner of his eye. I mean, this would have been a really good ad bit play. But I had already dinged him because I'm like, you've got to take that shot to Terry. The only thing I would say is it's third and six, and you've got to get the first down. You're down 14. Nothing. But you're right.

He looks at it. and if he leads Terry into the end zone, there's a chance. Yeah. But the plays... That just goes over to me. I do think Jaden is getting a little gun shy. Yeah. I don't know why.

Why don't you let this rip, man? Let this rip. Well, even when he goes off schedule. He can throw the ball, and I think he can throw it on the run. I think he just flicks this thing up, man, and you're going to... You got a shot at least. But if you want to play conservative, I'm not saying it's... I think it's something.

wrong play, give him a shot, but I understand him saying, let me try to go get the first and maybe put yourself in field goal range with the scramble versus the play and I haven't, but I think you got a shot at TD, take it. I think you're right, and I think the other thing too is that last

year we saw a lot of those extended plays and defenders coming up and then him making the throw. Debo's inside the 15-yard line if he flips it to him. Yeah. So that's he scrambles for five on that play, and the next plays the fourth and one. And I was going to ask you about it since we're right here.

Because they, you know, fourth and one under center, there were a lot of designed runs, you know, sweeps, you know, quarterback, you know, sweeps on fourth and ones where he keeps it. Obviously, that's not in the playbook in this particular game. But I thought this, I don't, we see him on fourth and in short last year and earlier this year. It's typically shotgun. they're going to throw the football or it's shotgun to go zone read this was i thought i thought this was maybe his best throw of the day what did you think i like the i think it's a good put like give kingsbury a play here right you put it give him a check i think it's a well-designed play i'd like putting him under center because it gives more element of it could be a run for sure so that's why

you start to play with play action because he wants somebody to think it's play action right i think it's just a well-designed play between the three tight ends. I think he knows the coverage he was going to get, which looks like a cover two version over there. And Zach Gertz gets to find that hole. I mean, you say it's the best sort of day. I think it's an easy pitch and catch. I see what you're saying, but I guess it's just super

quick release, accurate, the whole thing on a big play. Well, so, right, and I would say the play design makes the picture so clear. Right. like you got i mean earth is he's probably the first read he's wide open like what are we doing let's just throw the ball and get moving so i think that's

all right i don't want to say anything's easy in the league but that's about as clear as picture on a fourth and one a wide open four-yard curl right in front of you let's take it all right take me through the rest of your jaden breakdown wow so we've done most of it i don't have many really positive plays

from him throwing really it's mostly just him extending the play, getting yards when the plays break down, and that's one of his special talents. He has the ability to do that. We go on most of the negative ones. The rest he's just, you know, just a quarterback out there.

But more, let's see here, overall, more negative plays than positive plays, and that's how you wind up with a negative grade. All right. His best stuff. No. All right. Let's get to top three, bottom three. Offensively and defensively. We'll do that

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Yeah, sure. Bottom three, Mario da leads away. You can't have two turnovers in 10 plays or whatever his number was. So you can't overcome those turnovers. His pick was really bad. I can get coming in down and trying to make a play, but that's getting picked 20 out of 20 times.

Harrison's all over it. I don't even think he's on the same page with Berks. Berks runs like a deep curl, and he throws a deep hook on the outside. Harrison's picking it either way. Just a bad, poor decision. Do you take into consideration that he's coming into a game down 17? Nothing hasn't been 100%. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I weigh all the plays when they happen, how they have it, the quarter, down in distance, what quarter it is, the score, time and score. And I get like a third and 12, you're down 21, and you try to thread a needle and it gets picked. I'm weighing that different than in the first quarter. And you got a tie ball game and you need that field goal and you try to thread it.

That's way poor to sit, like things like that. This ball is getting picked 100 out of 100. He doesn't see Harrison. He's all over it. I don't care when he throws it. If they're up 40 or down 40. it's not getting completed. So a bad decision by him.

The fumble is trying to make a play. It's still a turnover. Just need better ball to mystery. And then you didn't really do anything that was the beneficial to the team when he was in. I mean, I mean, like Jaden was in there. It was a seven drive offensive game. Seven drives. That's all they had.

Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. He only, Jaden had four and Mariotta was only in there for three. Now, part of the fault is, you know, they didn't stay on the field offensively. You know, where they didn't score when they had a chance when they were in the red zone twice, you know, or once in the first half, once in the third quarter.

All right, so Mariota is at the bottom, followed by. Marioita, Debo, and then Jaden. Debo really set the tone with the drop on the fourth down and did nothing really, in my opinion, to overcome that. He was just a guy on the field didn't look good running his routes all day. I don't think he just wasn't a factor out there. So no options to help out the quarterbacks, one of his worst games, just non-existent. I mean, I know he had that screen pass that he got the first down on like third and 15 or something,

but you just catch the screen and running forward. Zach actually Ertz had maybe his best block of the season on that screen. And Terry, too, right? Yeah, Terry too. Like, Terry's a good, willing blocker out there and that reflects in his score too, but he's also making plays when the ball's coming his way. That third down that we went over where I don't think Jason should have went to and still has to make a good diving catch to pick up this first down.

So he's a factor. So I'll just switch right now. So top three. But wait a minute. You just said about Ertz. And by the way, you know, he's out for the year torn ACL. That might be the end of his career. But you just said something that you haven't said all year.

You said Ertz through a good block. Dude, great block. I give you credit when it's due. Yeah. I hate how it sounds. It probably seems like I have something against the guy when I'm agreeing to film, which I don't. I don't know him at all.

Everything I've ever heard is he's the best teammate. Everybody loves him. And I hope if I hang hung out with him, he had some beers, we could laugh at it. But he's not a very good blocker. I don't think they don't sign him for that, but when you run his way and he doesn't pick it up, I got a

negative impact he played. But this is one of his better games for me. He graded out pretty well. You almost cracked the top three if we're going to leak it in there, but that was a great block by him. It sprung the first down. And I gave him positive points for it. So your bottom three, just to be clear,

Mario to the worst, followed by Debo, followed by Jayden's in your bottom three. Yeah. All right. Top three offensively. Top three go to McNich, then Terry, and then Beiotich.

Man, you love Beiotich. I love good line, and that makes the right place. And our smart, and Beaudich fits that. He doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes. I've only seen him really get manhandle one, and that was the Lions game. He had to trouble with those nose guards. I think they were just maybe more stronger, more stout,

and they just got up under his pads more so than the rest of the season. And you see that. You see when you have good line, it usually has a staple right in the middle, and it's a good center. You've got a good tackle, and you've got a good center. And right now, Washington has in, be honest, leads the way. I mean, all the linemen, actually, all the linemen had a positive score so that they just didn't crack the top three, but they all had positive grade. You'd think with the offensive line the way it's matured and evolved during the year. By the way, Cosmy, remember, he didn't play the first six games. You didn't really know much about him, but he's a really good offensive lineman, isn't he?

Yeah, but he's a solid guard. Yeah. It comes back to Connerley for me. He's the lowest performing of the bunch. Yep. And I stand by saying, I don't know why they don't. I guess I know the politics may be in the money, but why don't you give Coleman a shot for a whole games. Just give him a game. Give him a quarter. Give him a half. See what he looks like there

if I tackle. Maybe it's better. I don't know because you don't give him enough plays. But the plays I've seen him, I think he's effective. What's wrong with experimenting with that right now with your record? Was Rodriguez close to your top three? Yeah, Rodriguez close. Positive score. Good back. I mean, you didn't do anything wrong. Yeah. And it had some good shifty runs in the hole to get yardage. I don't have any negative. I have no negative plays for him. So when he's in the ballgame, he's a productive player. Same right. So I have no negative plays for Rick Nichols, no negative plays for Rodriguez, and even no negative plays for Bill. So you're running backs play well. Everybody had a good score. But Nichols just, Mickles is a past blockage. He's doing the more difficult

things in the past protection and pickup so he gets more opportunities, I guess, to have good scores. I mean, he's really good. He comes cross formation. He helps out in twists. He's very cognizant of that stuff where the linemen are switching and when a linebacker is running at like Biotis's inside shoulder with intentions to pick him so that the looping tackle can come around and he recognizes it and sees it.

That stuff, that shit's difficult. And he does a really good job at it. All right, let's go to the defensive side. Top three defensively. top three defensively Eddie Goldman first of the year leads my board had a decent game

at the tackleers it almost seemed Isn't he more of a nose Yeah he should be But he just He played more of handling his gaps And locking out a defensive line Right snap of the ball

Two hand lock out And then wait for the running back To make his decision If he'd go on my right Go to my left Shed the block make tackle He did that a couple times, which I don't see many of Washington's interior lines other than Kinlaw do that on a

regular basis. So he actually graded out top score for me. Then Jacob, Martin, Bobby Wagner, follow him top three. And then I will give a shout out, the old Preston Smith, positive score for me this week. Actually, he got his hands on a ball carrier too, touched the football, had a little pressure. He got his hands on a ball carrier or two. Um, that's nice. Positive player. So, but, you know, we've talked a lot this year about Bobby Wagner being out there for, you know, every single defensive snap. And it's wild.

It is wild. But he, for every, for all of the discussion about he can't cover anybody anymore, the rest of it, he does really well, doesn't he? Solid middle linebacker. I wish they'd give him a breather. I wish they'd figure out ways that they don't have to have them in every place. But maybe he is so much of the glue and the brains behind the defense. If you don't have him in there, who knows what's going to have? Because I can see McGee's issue not playing early on 100%.

I think he struggles on the mental side of the game. If I had to scout him, I don't think he's put himself. He's just doing things wrong occasionally. And that was probably what was keeping him off the field early. They were waiting until they could trust him a little bit more on his assignments before they put him in. and that's like on the first touchdown he shifts way too far across the line of scrimmage

and he's not there to help on that run I don't know why he would shift he almost like shifts past Bobby which is ridiculous but I'm sorry that was a long wind no no I appreciate it table player but I think it's I think it's there that's why he's in I mean bottom three defensively bottom three go to

Will Harris Sandersville and Newton Wait so Harris was the bottom Yep Harris leads the pack Getting lost in coverage to us I think he has too many missed assignments still

Not making a real impact The touchdown that goes At 2 minutes 58 seconds In the third quarter And put it 23-0 That's his guy They're in man coverage It's play action

He's got the tight end and he just gets frozen. They play action towards him. He gets frozen, tight end leaks back across the field. One of those plays that seems like every team and every level can run, and they're always open. The tight end blocking and then leaking across. Yeah.

Leaks across. He's on him. It's his guy. And what strikes me the most about to play is he doesn't even, once he realizes it's play action, he doesn't even look to find his guy. it's like he never knew who his guy was and that's an issue

he's talking to McGee before the play starts if he pulled up at 258 he's talking to McGee saying who do you have who do I have because they have the fullback CJ Ham out flanked wide and they're trying to see if it's manned coverage or that well he gets the plea

so now Jay J.J. knows his man coverage because McGee goes out to check Ham they know they got the play they want and so that means Harris has the tight end of the line of scrimmage He has Oliver, is it Oliver? Yeah, he's got this guy Oliver. What's Kinlaugh doing on this play?

I see, this happened. This is rare for Kinlo, really rare. He doesn't win on a pass rush, and I guess you could call that giving up, and then he just wants to try to bat the ball out. This is, you normally see that with pain and others. Kinlaw usually doesn't do this. By the way. You should just, I mean, you got to be trying to rush.

You're not a spy. I mean, he should at least just clip the tight end coming across because he's back in a linebacker position. You know, this just goes to what you've said all year, and I think all of us recognize they are a terrible man coverage team, and part of it is that they just don't communicate well. Yeah, I think the problem starts before the play even snaps when they're in man coverage. Yeah. And that's not good. And then they don't have the skill.

I don't think any of the second day of Washington have man coverage type cover skills. Not that you can hang your hat on anyway. You know, Minnesota came into this game, and they still are. They lead the league in turnovers, offensive turnovers, and Washington didn't sniff one all day. Not one. They didn't shake up, JJ, not one time. They didn't confuse them, not one time. And couldn't have a pass for us to try to influence that either.

and that's when you just die of slow death because Minnesota is not that great offensively they're not that dynamic so they couldn't take big chunks but they could take four and five and six and you just have to sit there and take it yeah all right

what else anything else I have one play that I wanted to ask you about that I haven't asked you about but do you have anything before that no I think we've covered most of my stuff you know the play when they caught Minnesota with 12 men on the field and Jay

and ended up, you know, trying to force something, and he fumbled, actually. Do you think he saw the player late getting off the field, and he was just trying to make a play knowing that he had a free play or not? Yes, absolutely. Really? You can even see. In the All-22, you can even see the guy running off the field from the end-zone view, and that doesn't even cover the whole sideline, like that end-zone view.

So he had to see it. I mean, if he didn't see that, then I'd have a real issue of his awareness. yourself on the field. I'm 100%. Well, I should leave myself some room. I'm 98% sure. He was aware that he was going to get a free play there. Okay. I mean, I thought the play was incredibly, you know, irresponsible if he didn't see the player coming off. For sure. Yeah. For sure. All right. Everybody likes those free plays. I get to do whatever I want if I messed up. I'll just give me the ball back. Yeah, no. All right. Great job. Appreciate it. We'll do it next week with Marcus Mario to back in as the starting quarterback against a giant team. Listen to this, 31st in the league

rush defense. They better run the football next week. They better. They will have some questions to answer if they don't. Yeah. All right. Be good. Appreciate it. All right. Thanks, Steve Suter, everybody. Really good stuff. How about the take on the Van Ginkle play? I thought that that was an absolute horrendous play, a horrendous check. And he thought it was a really good check and great pre-snap read. And the play would have scored had Van Ginkle not been out there. Always interesting in the Jonathan Grenard stuff. I mean, I didn't pick up on that watching the game.

That seems like an easy fix. I'm not sure why they didn't fix it because he was clear. timing up the consistent no change of pace cadence and was disrupting so many plays. All right, done for the day back tomorrow with Tommy.