The Kevin Sheehan Show - Jayden’s “Ceiling/Floor” Comps

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Kevin and Thom opened with talk of “best of shows”, a trip home to Brooklyn, “Landman”, and more. The boys had NFL “ceiling/floor” comps for Jaden Daniels. They also discussed hypothetical TJ Watt to #Commanders trades before storms ended the show abruptly. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I'm here. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, Window Nation.

86690 Nation and WindowNation. And Window Nation.com if you need new windows. Tommy, we got this from John. John writes, hey Kevin, I'm a longtime listener to the show, and I'm a die-hard skins fan from Texas. Obviously, I love the things. current state of the team except for the name and the success that the new organization has found. But when I have already listened to all of the new episodes of the podcast, I always find myself

going back to listen to episodes of you and Tom back during the Snyder stories era, especially towards the end of his era. I don't wish to have Snyder back, but it's It's too entertaining to listen to you and Tom talk about Snyder. Also, a show I suggest you both start watching on Netflix. Animal Kingdom. It is the best non-sitcom show of all time, even more thrilling than Breaking Bad. I actually have heard of Animal Kingdom, but I've never watched. Ellen Barkin.

Yes, Ellen Barkin. Yeah. Very hot. A very hot woman. God, she's right up your Angie Dickinson, you know, sort of alley. You know, you like those harsh-looking broads. Absolutely. That's your thing.

I bet Ellen... I like those 1.30 in the morning barstool women. First of all, John, I mean, I love you. I mean, who the hell goes back and listens to old, old episodes? You know, I actually had this idea once, like, when I was on vacation, I'm like, you know, I should probably just put out. some of the older episodes and call it like a best of week. Remember Tony would do that when he was gone? Yes, once in a while, depending on timing,

I'll put out like an old episode of my podcast Cigars and Curveball, the interview podcast I did. Really? Like if it's tied to a specific, like when George Foreman passed away, I put out, you know, the episode I had done, I interview with George, I always say from the archives. That's the term I use. From the Cigars and Curve Falls Archive.

You know, I know that there are shows that we've done together, that if I did say, hey, this was from, you know, 2019 or this was, and it was just a great show about this, I'm sure people would listen to it and be appreciative. But I'm going to tell you right now, I don't have these shows catalog. It would take me forever. The easier shows to find would be, you know, like the Monday after a game. Like, you know, they, like the big win over Cincinnati on Monday night football last year, playing like the reaction, the recap show, the following, or that one was a very late night.

I remember that one. Not that I would put those out as a best of, but those are easy to find. I wouldn't be able to even, I should have, from the very beginning, you know, you need to take a page from Kramer here on Seinfeld. When Kramer needed help with Kramer, what did he do? He got an intern.

Yeah, I know, right, right, right, yeah. You need an intern. That would be quite the project, wouldn't it be? To go back and listen to like all the Tuesday, Thursday shows? They can do it, in their dorm room. They don't have to be there to do it. You know?

It's not like they have to be there with you. Right. But it would be an interesting communication. I'm telling you, you could get an intern if you reached out. I had interns for a while on this podcast. I mean, it was a lot of, you know, yeah, it was a lot. Pre-pandemic, a lot of my friends' sons who were in high school or in college, you know, I had, going back to the radio station, don't you remember they call them Sheehan's interns?

Like, for, like, you don't remember that? Scott Lynn and all those guys, it's like, Jesus, we've got four more Sheehan interns this summer. Because I would just, you know, all my, I had friends who said, who would say, oh, my son or even my daughter wants to get into broadcasting. And I'd be like, yeah, you know, call CJ or call Scott Lynn. We do internships. You should sound the alarm right now for interns. To look for a best of? Yeah, we could do a best of week.

That could be because I've got some vacation time coming up. Yeah. I'm telling you that this is genius. This is absolute genius right here. Calling all interns, anybody want to go back and listen to old shows and create a best of week or two? I'll pay you. You know what? It'd be a paid internship.

It's not going to be... You don't have to do that. No, because the credit thing... You don't have to do that. Once you get into the credit thing, there was some issues one summer, and then I finally just said, well, to hell with it. We're not going to do it. But I...

Yeah, I mean, yes, I think that's a really good idea. Okay. Email the Kevin... My work is done here today. Email the show at, you know, at the website, the Kevin Sheeonshow.com, send me an email and tell me where you're in school currently, and if you'd like to participate in a project. I actually have a couple of people I think I can reach out to that would do it. Okay. And now also, you need to put in a disclaimer. Any email they send

with that information is open to reading on the podcast. Yeah, well, I don't ask for permission when I read anybody else's emails. Okay. Right. By the way, just so they're clear. Real quickly, the Animal Kingdom suggestion. We have had many people suggest to us over the last several months to watch Landman,

which is the Billy Bob Thornton show. Tommy, we're down to one episode left from the first season. I think there's another season coming out. It is Billy Bob Thornton's. I'm not going to say it's the best thing because I think he was obviously great in a lot of different movies, including with Slingblade his first movie. I'm going to guess that it was.

It certainly was. I think it was. Yeah. And you and I both loved him in season one in Fargo and so many other great movies. Oh God, yeah. But this is up there in terms of brilliant roles for Billy Bob Thornton. This is really, really good and very addictive. I mean, Allie Larder.

She's a 12 playing his ex-wife and then they get back together. And Demi Moore's in it. She doesn't have a big role. John Ham's in it. You would love it. But you've told me you won't be able to watch it because you don't want to pay for Paramount Plus. I can't justify any more streaming. Really?

As it is, I have to apologize every month for my cable bill. How much is your Cableville? Oh, it's $300 a month. Yeah, me too. Yeah. I don't... So I can't do it, you know? I mean, I get a taste on my Facebook feed.

It's $5.99 a month, Tommy. It's $5.99 a month. If you don't want commercials, it's $12.99 a month. Okay, well, they put a lot of Landman on Facebook feed. They do? So I get a taste, yes, I get a taste of it off. Okay, well, that's not the real thing, though. Okay.

I mean, I knew about the people involved in the show when we discussed this. Right. I knew he had the ex-wife. I knew he had the daughter. I knew he has a lawyer, female lawyer, who is hot at her own right? Yes. She's the daughter who plays a role as if she's in high school. She's dropped dead beautiful.

She's 27 in real life. So she's doing a phenomenal. job. It's just really good. I mean, everything about it is, is excellent. It's very funny. Now, the only thing that I would say to all, first of all, thank you for the recommendation. I've been getting a recommendation on this show for months now, as you have. I do find this occasionally a little bit Aaron Sorkin-esque with the dialogue being like almost too quick and too witty. And then his son has a relationship with a recently widowed woman that I don't think either one of them are very good. I don't think she's a very good actor at all. I'm not thrilled with that

part of the show. It's not that interesting, although it's become interesting in terms of part of the storyline. But I mean, Billy Bob Thornton's got some lines in this movie that just are laugh out loud, hysterical. So does she. Allie Larder's really good and funny. Yeah. I would recommend that anybody else, too. Billy Bob Thornton did a series called Goliath.

I never saw. I think it on Amazon Prime or Netflix, one or the two. I'd recommend that particularly season one. He plays a down-and-out trunk lawyer. It's very good. All right. really good show. I have a feeling that I'm not recommending it to that many people.

I have a feeling a lot of you have watched the show because I think it's been the most recommended show. This and mobland are the two, over the last few months, the two shows that have been most recommended. And I think, you know, I told you about your neighbors and friends with also John Hamm. That was excellent.

Your friends and neighbors. that was really good. You haven't watched that. That's not on Paramount Plus. That's on Netflix. Okay. I have not watched that. It might be Apple TV.

I forget. I think I have everything now. I don't think there isn't anything that I don't have. And you watch all this sports. How do you have time to do all this? Well, you know, I don't watch any of these shows during football season. I don't win. And even during the NBA playoffs, I didn't really watch.

anything. Now is the time when I can watch things because everything's over. So the next couple of months, I can binge some of this stuff. And this has been a very, just like your friends and neighbors, very easy to binge because the episodes are, you know, 45 to 55 minutes. And it's still season one, nine, nine or ten episodes. So it's pretty easy. But I'm pretty pretty, but I'm pretty sure I have everything. I don't think they're, and let me just also admit this. So the paramount that we had was the $599 paramount with commercials. And after episode two of Landman, I upgraded to the $12.99 a month because I could not take

the commercials anymore. I couldn't take it. Man won't be denied. Huh? This man won't be denied. You look, commercial, I'll get in a way. I might try to get out of it, you know, after I've, you know, because sometimes you've got like a seven-day, you know, ability to cancel the upgrade. I just could not, after two episodes of watching it, you know, with four different, you know, two-minute commercial breaks.

I was like, I can't do this. This is, this isn't binging when you've got the commercial interruptions. So I just said to hell with it and just clicked on the Twitter. 1299, no ads. So, there you go. Hey. What? You know what I did this weekend?

I know what you did this weekend. You went to Brooklyn this weekend. You told me you were going to Brooklyn this weekend. Yes. Back to your old house. So how did you go? It went very well. First of all, we had great weather.

It turned out to be nice. Did a lot of walking. The first day, when we got there, you know, I took I took my wife and my son to my old neighborhood, and I showed them. You know, I guess I didn't really understand it, you know, because you're living through it. But my wife was amazed, and she's heard the stories, but she was amazed at what a great life I had in Brooklyn. Because within two blocks was the Brooklyn Museum, one of our great museums in the country, was the botanical garden, another block away was the public library.

The Botanical Gardens was where I ran after I kicked a nun at recess in second grade at St. Teresa's. Yeah. And I hid out in the botanical gardens the rest of the afternoon. Is St. Teresa still there? Not at school. The school is all closed up. But the church is there?

Okay. Yeah. And the museum was where I got beat up and robbed in the bushes. outside the museum and the library I used to spend all my time there reading baseball books

and then Prospect Park all this is walking distance to my house and she said this is amazing yeah well that that it was and I guess I took it for granted and never really

you know paid that much attention to it so I showed them all that there's a luncheonette on the corner of of my of the block where I grew up Washington Avenue and what

70 Washington Avenue and Avenue in Sterling Place. In Sterling Place. There's a luncheonette there. I think it's called Tom's Luncheonette. We had lunch there. It's been there since 1936.

And I can remember going in there when my mom would be having coffee with her friends in the afternoon and bugging her for a dime or a nickel or something like that for money when I'm like five, six years old. And then sitting on the stool at the soda at the counter for a Coke. Right. when they used to make coax by mixing them right there in front of you. That's crazy. It was so, it was just really good, and we had a good, you know, we stayed in a nice Marriott, not far from there, had some good dinners. And Brooklyn was very alive.

It was really cool. Oh, yeah. It was, you know, it was, I don't, I had, I've read stories about it, but I had no idea how cool it has become. Yeah. And then Saturday, we went to Conan. Island. We took the subway all the way to coming down. And how crowded was it? I wasn't real crowded because it started out with an overcast day.

And then it got better, and then it was sunny by noon. But not to get too small to here, but that was that day, that was the best of New York. That was the best of Brooklyn. Because there were so many, it was so diverse. There were so many different people from all walks of life. At Coney Island. On the beach, on the beach at Coney Island. Yes.

Okay. On the beach at Coney Island. It was so good to see. You know, everybody's just all these people together having fun, having a good time. You know, we ate lunch at Nathan's, had a couple beers on the boardwalk. Sure. You know, I used to, I mean, there was one summer where I went to CYO Day Camp at Coney Island. That was my camp every day during the summer going to Coney Island.

And then we had a great dinner that night in Brooklyn. Actually, on Sunday we visited my parents' grave. They're buried in Brooklyn. And then we headed home. It was a fabulous trip. Oh, wow. That's awesome. When you said that Liz basically didn't recognize just what you were in proximity to,

that's New York in general, almost wherever you are, right? You're just, you're within walking distance or a short subway ride to something that's totally worth spending time doing. Museums and parks and, I mean, there's so many, there's just so much to do in New York. In Brooklyn, by the way, now, as you know, is just so much different than it was when you were a kid. Yes, it is. Like, I even feel that way to a certain extent about D.C. I mean, it's different, obviously. But, you know, I, people that come in from out of town

tend to see a lot more than those of us who live here see. Now, let me just tell you that I, when my kids were young, I would always, we would go down, especially during the, summer, even the fall, sometimes in the morning. We would drive down to the mall and we would go to, you know, the natural, you know, museum of history, the dinosaur museum as they would call, my kids called it, the air and space. And we would, you know, walk around. But I remember when I was younger, like the only time that I would go downtown to see museums or to see anything sightseeing wise was when family from out of town was in town or it was a school field trip.

You just take it for granted when you're living near it. I think most people do. I mean, look, I feel very fortunate to live in this area. I think it's one of great areas to live in in the country. And you're right, because there is so much to do that's available to you. But when I was growing up in Brooklyn, I had an older sister who was eight years older than me. Like having a second mother. Yeah.

I mean, basically, you know, she never really dealt with me. So I was pretty much on my own. I was always good at exploration by myself, you know, just to be off on my own and to explore and to not get killed. Yeah. Well, to occasionally get into trouble. Yes. I did a lot of that in Brooklyn. You know, I used to, I go to the museum and just walk around. Where was Ebbets Field?

Ebbets Field was on Empire Boulevard, which was about five blocks from where I grew up. Five blocks. I watched them tear it down. I mean, I lived in the epicenter of Brooklyn, but I lived in a very modest apartment. My parents rented a three-bedroom apartment. on the 798 Washington Avenue. That's where I grew up. So it's not like where the museum is on Eastern Parkway,

there's money there on Eastern Parkway, at least in that. But just two blocks down, it was very blue-collar, Irish, Italian, black. Right. I've only, I've been to Coney Island one time. That's it. One time. I mean, it is, it really is kind of very historic, don't you think? Yes, it is. It's been such a part of, like, popular culture over the years. Yes. Yes. And there's two rides there that have been there forever. One is called the Wonderwheel,

a Ferris wheel, which we rode. It used to be the big tallest Ferris wheel in the world. Is that the one that's like right on the beach? Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's right on the boardwalk. It's on the boardwalk. Right. It's not on the beach.

But you, but you see, you see the waves breaking from the, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other is their old roller coaster. I didn't go on it.

My wife and my son went on called a cyclone. It's an old wooden roller coaster. Wow. That they said was pretty good. Still pretty good. Even though it's an old roller coaster. So we had a great time. And even riding the subway was fun.

You know, we weren't on the platform going there 30 seconds before we saw a fight. Yeah, of course. We do our best now to steer clear of that activity. All right. Well, good. That sounds like a great trip. That sounds like a phenomenal trip. Well, what about your son?

Was he, like, did he have a vision of, he had never seen where you grew up? never yeah no I mean he was like my mom kind of not my mom my wife yeah right kind of amazed at what was available to me and you know later I told them stories like look I told them a story once when we were camping on a Boy Scout trip my two sons about how I got trapped in the basement of an apartment building in Brooklyn by you know we called them bums back then, people who basically lived on the street. And I mean, we were a bunch of us were playing down there, and then this bum showed up and started chasing us, and everybody got out but me, and I'm hiding, you know, in a corner, hoping that he won't find me. And my

friends are outside yelling for me to come out, come out, get out of there, get out of there, get out of there. And I finally managed to sneak my way out. I mean, that's, you always, you would have thought I told them that I created the Frankenstein monster. When I told them that story, you know, they were young kids. And they've never forgotten it. So I showed my oldest son, the basement where the bomb story took place. It was like, like going to Ford Theater. Yeah.

All right. Let's talk some sports. Talk some Jaden Daniels. We'll do that right after. these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show is brought to you by Window Nation. More heat coming our way. If your home was uncomfortable during the last heat wave

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this exercise of providing, you know, player comps for the best case for each of these quarterbacks. then the worst case or the floor. Now, they used all current quarterbacks, but on radio yesterday, and I wanted to do this with you, I wanted to give, you know, the best case or the ceiling for Jaden Daniels, the comp, the ceiling comp, and that can be a current, you know, quarterback or a past quarterback, and then sort of the floor. Now, they gave Lamar Jackson as the ceiling for Jaden Daniels. And the floor, Kyler Murray.

They wrote, Daniels engineered arguably the best rookie season of all time. His 91.3 PFF overall grade ranks second among all rookie passers in the PFF era, which, if you didn't know, is since 2006.

And he led his team to the brink of a Super Bowl appearance. Daniels' ability to consistently generate positive plays is an aspect of Lamar Jackson's game that makes him incredibly difficult to defend. Factor in elite athleticism that bring both to the table, and the idea of Daniels as a future MVP is not out of the question. With how great his rookie season was, it's hard to envision Daniels not being a long-term high-end starter. Kyler Murray's

low end is due to injuries. When healthy, he's been a game-changing player, expect defensive coordinators to adjust to a few things Daniels does well. But his ability, to extend plays with his legs will be a problem for defenses for the foreseeable future. Let me just tell you that I don't like their ceiling or their floor. I'm just not a big Kyler Murray guy. Like Kyler Murray's 5-8. I mean, he can't see over the line of scrimmage. He's a dynamic athlete, a phenomenal playmaker off schedule.

But it's his only way of succeeding. and he doesn't do it as well as Russell Wilson did it in his heyday. Lamar Jackson, to me, as a ceiling, there are similarities between Jaden and Lamar, but Jaden's just a much more advanced and polished thrower of the football at his point in his career compared to where Lamar was, and even where Lamar is, even though Lamar took a big jump last year with Todd Munkin and year two with Todd Munkin. And I thought Lamar Jackson had the best year of his career and he showed a lot of progress as a passer.

But I've got a ceiling for Jaden. It's a past player. I also have a floor for Jaden. It's a past player. But what do you think? And I want to hear your ceiling and floor comp first. Well, I'm glad you expanded it to include former players. Yeah.

Because I find using existing players very, very stifling here. I mean, like you pointed out, like I couldn't say, but Lamar Jackson, it took Lamar Jackson a number of years to develop into somebody you feel as a confident NFL passer. Okay, he came out of Louisville as a project. Okay, Dayton Daniels came out of LSU as a finish. product pretty much. Yeah. So, I mean, I just don't, I just think that, I think given another season, I mean, they'll

be equal almost, the two of them, you know, let alone as his ceiling. When I think of a ceiling, a guy who might be best for Jayden Daniels, I think is Steve Young. Oh, my God. That's mine. Yeah. That's mine. I think of somebody who's so accurate, so such a good decision maker. Yeah.

And so good making plays with his legs, you know. I mean, one of the things they left out here about Jane Daniels, different than Lamar Jackson, is that Jane Daniels, one of his attributes is protecting the ball. Yeah. 100%. You know? Yeah. Yes. I mean, the coach has made a point of saying that time and timing.

that's not an accident. Okay. So, I mean, I just think that Steve Young is funny because you said that's the one that you have, right? Yeah, that's mine. I did it on radio yesterday. I've talked about Steve Young as Jaden's comp many times in the past, as I have like Randall Cunningham and a few others. But Steve Young was my answer to this for sealing. But I want you to finish. And don't give me your floor yet. Save that. And I'll give you Steve Young from my perspective. But what else do you have on why Steve Young? Well, again, he's the package of an accurate passer, not a guy who made a lot of mistakes with the ball, and he's a playmaker with his legs. That's it. Yeah, I mean, Steve Young, first of all, for me, and I've always felt this way about Steve Young, not that he is an underrated guy, like, egregiously. I do think sometimes when I see rankings of quarterbacks and I see Steve Young like at 15 or 16, I think Steve Young is debatably a top 10 quarterback of all time. And for his time, he really was, I guess you could say Tarkington and Stawback and even Elway to a certain degree.

But I think in terms of the combination of a great passer and, a great elite level playmaker and runner. Steve Young was the best. Stawback might be the answer to that prior to Steve Young, but it's also a different era. Like you said, Steve Young, you know, he threw 35 touchdowns in just 10 picks in a season during an era where people were throwing many more picks. I also always feel about Steve Young because he sat behind Montana and didn't really get an opportunity to be the guy until he was 31 years old. If he had been the guy from 25 on with Bill Walsh and Jerry Rice and John Taylor, I think we might view Steve Young at a much higher level, like at a Montana plus level. You know, he's a two-time MVP. He's a two-time MVP. He's a

was so elusive as a runner, as an off-schedule playmaker, and he also was incredibly competitive and really smart. And I think stylistically, and I thought stylistically in terms of the comp as well, that, and I felt this way about Steve Young before, that Jaden's a right-handed version of Steve Young. But I also think, and I said this on radio yesterday, I may be underselling the ceiling for Jaden. I mean, Steve Young is a two-time MVP Super Bowl champion, Super Bowl MVP through six touchdowns in a Super Bowl went over the Chargers and he was a first ballot Hall of Famer.

And part of me wonders, should I be thinking more about Mahomes, you know, or even Elway? I've comped him to Elway before. The difference with Elway, Elway had one of the strongest, arms we had ever seen in the NFL. I mean, Namath, you know, you'll hit on Namath. But Elway and Marino in that era, and then Rogers and Mahomes in the last, you know, 10 years, 15 years, Jaden doesn't have the strongest arm in the NFL. It's certainly not the weakest.

It's in the upper half of arm strength. He's a great thrower, great anticipation thrower, touch thrower, you know, accurate, the whole thing. But sometimes, sometimes, I was thinking yesterday, am I underselling his ceiling? I mean, because it is possible that a decade from now, and I hope we're still doing this together, we're talking about Jaden Daniels as in the conversation of the greatest to ever do it. The greatest. No, if we're not, if we're not.

then something went wrong. Or if we're not, maybe he had a Steve Young career. First Ballot Hall of Famer, but not Brady, Manning, Marino, Elway, Montana, you know, those that... If he's starting as a rookie, I don't think he'll have a Steve Young career. I think he'll go beyond that. If it doesn't, I think something went wrong. Well, so then why did we both give Steve Young? the ceiling. That's my point. I don't think there's anything wrong with Steve Young

as a ceiling. You just said if he ends up having a Steve Young career after starting the way he did as a rookie, something went wrong. Only in the sense of tenure. Okay. I think that Steve Young's one of the greatest to ever do

it. I think if he had started at 25 years old rather than being in the USFL or being in Tampa and it was Bill Walsh and the 49ers and Steve Young and not sitting behind Montana for four years, five years, whatever it was. I think we would view Steve Young as a borderline Mount Rushmore, Brady, Manning, Elway, Unitas, Rogers, Marino, et cetera. I think he'd be, and by the way, Mahomes, let's not forget Mahomes. Because Mahomes is the ceiling comp that,

the majority of my callers gave. They're like he's Mahomes. He's actually different than Mahomes. He's different in this way. He's actually a better athlete than Mahomes. He's a more explosive playmaker as a runner. Mahomes has a bigger arm and is incredibly creative and clutch and all those things, which Jaden proved to be. I also think Jaden, in many ways, is just a better... Mahomes goes off schedule. That's thunder, if you can hear that in the background. Can you hear that?

We have a major thunderstorm. It's raining up here, Frederick. Yeah, there's a major thunderstorm rolling through here right now. Anyway, my ceiling is Steve Young, but I question whether I went high enough on the ceiling. with Jaden. But it'd be a hell of a career if he had a Steve Young type of career, but five years of production more than Steve Young playing like Steve Young. You know, I mean, talking about this, there's going to be so much anticipation about this season before it opens. There already is. We're not.

I mean, but just off the charts. I mean, last year, there was a curiosity. Yeah. Okay. More than anything. This year, I mean, I just think people are salivating for a chance to see this team on the field. Me too. It's the most anticipated season in a long, long time. I mean, a long time. All right. In terms of the floor, I'll give you mine first, and then you give me yours. I threw out Michael Vick. Michael Vick was a great quarterback. I mean, obviously he went away to prison for and missed two years and really impacted, you know, his initial return to the league. But Michael Vick is an Atlanta Falcon.

And then, you know, even some of the seasons, a couple of seasons in Philadelphia, Michael Vicks, you know, explosiveness is a runner, his ability to make people miss in the pocket, outside the pocket. Jaden's at that level, at that Vic, Lamar Jackson, Steve Young. And I think Steve Young actually, you know, for his time, he was, you know, at the top of the all-time list. But I think Lamar and Vic and even Josh Allen to a certain degree, Mahomes, Jaden's at that level. Jaden, Vic had a gun for an arm,

and he could throw it too. And I guess, like, if Jaden didn't have the career that I was anticipating and it fell well short of it, I don't think he could fall any further than Michael Vick's career. You know, minus the jail time.

Right. Well, I'm going to put, I mean, that's a good, that's a good, floor. I'm going to go with Randall Cunningham. He gets comp to remember he was comp to Cunningham probably more than anybody else coming out. Yes. I'm going to put to him as the floor. Okay.

I mean, when I take a floor, my thinking is the discussion about that quarterback will be he was great, but what could have been. Yeah. You know? And I've always felt that about Randall Cunningham. he was great, but what could have been if things had played out differently for him? And I think that's the ceiling we'd be talking about with Jane Daniels. I think he'll be great unless, you know, the worst happens. But, you know, the bottom of his career would be missed accomplishment.

If I put Jaden's career MVP over under number at one and a half, what would you go? Would you go over or under? Over. What if I put it at two and a half? Ooh, that's some thunder. I'd still go over. Wow. Wow.

You got them at three MVP's. Randall, by the way, was an MVP runner up three times. never won it. Runner up three times, twice in Philly and then that, you know, magical season in Minnesota, which almost, you know, ended in a Super Bowl trip for the Vikings, if not for the kicker, Gary Anderson. All right, that's a good floor too.

That's a really good floor. I, I, uh, we don't give much room, uh, for, for a, a, a, a, bad career. There's no margin. There's literally no room for him to fall below an outstanding career. We've got some high expectations. We've got really good career to historic as essentially the range. Yes. All right. Let's finish up the show. We've got some T.J. Watt talking a little bit more when we return right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelley's.

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That's always nice to see. Find out more at shelley's backroom.com. All right, I got this from Quinn. Quinn wrote, he was trying to play producer on radio for me today. Quinn wrote, Kevin, you've already done a show asking the T.J. Watt, Terry McLaurin trade question. Let me just interject for those of you that didn't hear it on radio or don't listen to the radio show. Last week, I, you know, gave the hypothetical, you know, this is a June sports talk radio. segment in a place like Washington, D.C.

Because Terry McClorn's got, you know, a contract negotiation stall right now, and so does T.J. Watt. I said, if T.J. Watt ended up on Washington's roster and Terry McClorn ended up on Pittsburgh's roster, how would you feel? And 75% said of the people polled on the Twitter poll, ex-poll, said they'd prefer to have Terry McLorn on the roster instead of T.J. Watt. So I went through this last week, so that's what Quinn's referring to. Quinn says, Kevin, you've already done a show asking the T.J. Watt, Terry McLaurin trade question. Please let me help you out today. Don't do it again. It's never going to happen. And the

responses will drive both of us crazy to think that most fans wouldn't want T.J. Watt, even if it means giving up Terry is mind-numbing. Yeah, I feel the same way, Quinn. I mean, we talked a little bit about it on radio today because it was back in the news a little bit yesterday because Adam Schaefter first talked about Terry McClure and the distance in contract negotiation between Terry and the team on McAfee's show. And then he talked about T.J. Watt and actually suggested with T.J. Watt, you know, who knows, maybe Pittsburgh will listen to offers.

He also believes that both players, and I believe this too. will end up playing for the teams that currently employ them. I don't think T.J. Watts going anywhere. I don't think Terry McLorne's going anywhere. Tommy, I said today that Pittsburgh and Washington are very similar because they're in win now mode, but for different reasons. Pittsburgh's in win now mode because they've got a 41-year-old quarterback in his last year, and Washington's in win-now mode because they've got a 24-year-old quarterback

on a rookie contract. I don't think Watt's going anywhere. I don't think Terry McLaren's going anywhere, but I'll net it out for all of you again. I think, as Quinn said, it blows me away that if you actually had the choice of Terry on the roster or T.J. Watt on the roster,

you would actually choose Terry. Like, it's not even close, in my opinion. And I don't want Terry to go anywhere. is the Hall of Famer. First ballot hall favor. Okay. One of the great defensive players of his time. Okay, we argue that Terry McClorn is one of the great wide receivers of his era. Okay, that argument happens all the time. Nobody argues whether T.J. Watt is one of the best defensive players of his era.

That's not an argument. No, he's a seven-time pro ball, or he's a four-time all-pro. defensive player of the year. He's a defensive player of the year runner up twice. I mean, if he didn't play in the Miles Garrett-Aren Donald era, he'd be a three-time defensive player of the year player. He's a game wrecker. He's a game changer. Big Tony, you know, our favorite and our resident Steeler fan, texted me as he was listening to this on radio. And he said, tell these idiots you'd be getting a sack man, a fumble man, an interception man and a run-stopping man.

And then he just said laughing my ass off. Look, again, for those of you who always criticize me for being anti-Terry, I'm not anti-Terry. I'm just realistic as to what he is. He's, you know, in the CBS Sports top 100 player list from last week, he was 81st. T.J. Watt was 11th. I don't know if Terry's 81st or 60-first.

I don't know if T.J. Watts's 11th or 7th or 16th. But there's a massive gap between the two players. And one of them plays a position, which I think you still can debate, is a more important position than the other. A game-wrecking, havoc-wreaking, defensive pass-rushing, you know, edge is almost imperative if you're going to win the Super Bowl. Now, what would they do without Terry? I don't want them to go.

I asked the question today, if you were Adam Peters, what would you be willing to give up? And given their draft choice limitations here, because they traded so many of them for Latimore and for Tunsel and for Debo, the most I would go is next year's first rounder. I'd prefer something like next year's, you know, third and fifth in the following year's second, something like the Tunsel deal, because you have to pay T.J. Watt 35 million a year probably, or maybe even a little bit more than that. But you're going to have a very late first rounder next year anyway, more likely than not. So, of course, I'd prefer T.J. Watt on the roster in front of Terry. And that's not demeaning Terry. That's just an understanding of how almost everybody in the league that gets paid to evaluate players for trades. That's exactly how they would view it to.

But I don't want to lose Terry. I want both of them. I don't know if it can happen, and I don't think it will. I think both of them stay where they are. And if you're trading Terry McLaren for T.J. Watt, you're going to have to trade more than Terry McLaren. Yes. A lot of people suggested to me last week and even off the news, yesterday. Like, all right, like, I consider it if Pittsburgh also sent like a first round pick to us or a second round pick. No, no, no, you got that backwards. Okay, T.J. Watts of greater value than Terry McLorne. Washington would have to probably attach picks to a trade. But it's not going to happen. Neither one of them is getting traded. They're both going to be resigned by their own team. I would bet you though that that, um, I think the chance that Terry gets traded is like next to,

you know, zero. Uh, I think T.J. Watt, that situation might be like two or three percent. Like, apparently those negotiations are more difficult, maybe. Because he's looking for Miles Garrett money. Miles Garrett just became the highest paid defensive player in the history of the game, you know, so we'll see. But. T.J. Watt is certainly, by those that watch the entire league in not just Washington games, is considered to be a much higher ranked player than Terry is. Terry's a top 10-ish wide receiver. T.J. Watt is arguably the best defensive player in the game. Forget about it, his position.

You know, I think Miles Garrett is, but he'd certainly be in the car, conversation for the best defensive player in the game. And with that, everybody, the show is over for the day. Shortly after we were having that conversation about Terry McClearn and T.J. Watt, we had a major power outage in the area. The storms in the area were bad. I was mentioning them as we were recording the show. We'd gotten through about 30 seconds of the final segment of the show or the final topic of the show, which was going to be to talk about the Mayor Bowser interview. Mayor Bowser was on with me yesterday. If you missed that, it's yesterday's show, about 15 minutes. Tommy had listened to it and had some thoughts on it. So we'll save that

for Thursday. But we are still without any sort of phone or Zoom or any other ability to connect with one another. So that is it for the day. I'll be back tomorrow. Mark Eind, is scheduled to appear on this show with me. Tommy will be back with me on Thursday.