The Kevin Sheehan Show - JD5 To Speak Next Week

Episode Date: May 22, 2026

Kevin opened with a follow-up to a Terry McLaurin email while also getting to Knicks-Cavs Game 2. Ben Standig jumped on to talk about next week's Commanders OTAs where Jayden Daniels is scheduled to speak for the first time in months.   For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match   Get 20% off your first order at www.FastGrowingTrees.com with code [Sheehan].   So if you are looking to make Mother’s Day perfect, or just want to impress your friends and family with an epic meal next time you host, go to www.GOLDBELLY.com and get free shipping and 20% off your first order with promo code sheehan.   Ready to do your own spring reset? Join Thrive Market with my link www.ThriveMarket.com/SHEEHAN for $20 off your first three orders plus you’ll get a FREE $60 gift.   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. A heads up to open up today's show, Friday, May 22nd, heading into a long holiday weekend. Today's show will be the last one until a week from Monday. I am heading out of the country on a family vacation, and I won't be putting shows out next week.

so I'll be back a week from Monday. I'll miss the day to day next week of being able to talk NBA playoffs. That's for sure. I know many of you won't miss that, but I will. And next week is an OTA week for our football team, but I can catch up on all of that when I get back and share my thoughts on anything remarkable that happens. Usually it does not. Fingers crossed, because when something remarkable does happen during O'SRour,

OTAs. It's usually something not very good. The show's presenting sponsor is always, window nation, 86690 Nation, windownation.com if you need new windows. Ben Standig's going to join me on the show today to talk about next week's OTAs where Jaden Daniels is scheduled to speak for the first time since I think late in the season. So Ben will jump on next segment. This email to open up the show, the email was written by Cal. Cal writes, Kevin, kind of a low blow to read the Terry McLaurin tweet from Denny yesterday. It's not surprising, though.

You never read positives about Terry. It's totally unreal to me that you dislike the one player that is one of the most loved players in the history of the team. So I read Cal's email, and I'm like, I'm going to read this on this show today, because first of all, what Cal was responding to, and I'll read Denny's actual email. It wasn't a tweet from yesterday's show in a moment. But I get tweets and emails and correspondence from some of you a lot and have over the last few years about Terry, because many of you think that I dislike Terry. That's not even close to true. Not even close to true. It's been kind of interesting to be a part of the Terry McCoran conversation over the last two, three years,

because there is a segment of the fan base that believes Terry is a top five, top 10, you know, elite level receiver in this league. And anybody that doesn't agree with that is a hater, you know, doesn't think, you know, doesn't like Terry. That's not something I have ever said. I just don't think that Terry is at that level that some of you think he is at. I've never thought that, but I do think he is an excellent receiver. By the way, Denny's email that Cal was referring to wasn't even about Terry McCorn.

He was writing to respond to that Fox Sports ranking of the supporting casts for quarterbacks, offensive supporting casts around the league, where Washington came in 28th. And as part of that email, which I did read on the show yesterday, he referenced Terry when he said, 28th is in ranked 28th. The commander's supporting cast should be dead last. They have nothing on offense other than an aging, overrated receiver who fans think is Jerry Rice. And then he called me out for thinking that the O line is really good, and he thinks it isn't as good. So just, you know, as a matter of fact, Cal, I wasn't reading Denny's email because of Terry.

So you're wrong when you say that. And you're just wrong when you say that, you know, it's a low blow and it's not surprising. And I never read positives about Terry. That's not true. I read positives about Terry. I don't think I read many negatives about Terry because I don't get many negatives about Terry. because I don't get many negatives about Terry. There are people, plenty of people that agree with my position,

which is Terry's a really good receiver. He's just not among the elite receivers. And by the way, as I've said in the last year, over the last year, over the last 10 or 11 months, the team agrees with that position because they didn't think it made sense to pay Terry as an elite receiver. Again, I think the issue with,

him is it is kind of odd. I will say it's odd that he's become a polarizing player on the team. I think there is some of that. I wouldn't say it's like a massive sort of, you know, polarizing figure in the franchise because he's certainly been one of as Cal points out, not one of the most loved in franchise history. That's exaggeration. But he's certainly been the most beloved player of the last, what is it now, eight years. There's no doubt about it. He's been a wonderful representative of a terrible franchise for his first six seasons or five seasons. And, you know, always a solid citizen and a really good player, a really good player. He really has been. He's not going to go down as the greatest receiver in franchise history. That title belongs to

Art Monk. He's not going to go down as the second greatest receiver in franchise history. That's Charlie Taylor. I don't think, in my opinion, he'll go down as the third greatest receiver in franchise history. That honor belongs to Gary Clark, in my opinion. But Terry's certainly going to be an all-time top four to five receiver in franchise history. That means he was really, really good. And that's what he's been. But we are living in an age of all time great depth at the wide receiver position. And to me, if you pay attention to the rest of the league, I think you would come to the conclusion that Terry's an excellent receiver,

but there are many, you know, 10, 15 that you'd probably take before him, especially now that he's entering his age 31 season. But, Cal, you're wrong. I don't dislike Terry. I've never disliked Terry. I do get frustrated with people like you whose position is if you don't agree with us on Terry being an elite receiver, well, then you hate him.

No, that's just not true. NBA playoffs last night, the Knicks, wow, were they impressive against the Cavs in game two? And I say that from this perspective. The Cavs came out with a game plan that essentially, said, you know what we're going to do? We are going to double Jalen Brunson. And let's see if that works. And I would say two things about their strategy. One, I just don't think that they're very good defensively. They're not very urgent right now. Maybe there is some, you know, tiredness, you know,

associated with two seven game series back to back and then blowing a 22 point lead in game one on Monday night, but their traps aren't overly aggressive. I just, if you've got James Hardin as one of your defenders on the floor and he's involved in the trap, it's not going to be a real aggressive, effective trap. You know, you're just not going to get that. By the way, last night before the game, I mean, the, you know, this is the NBA, the, you know, the Barclay, Kenny, Shaq, Ernie's show, which is now on ESPN, it's still the best studio show there is. I mean, I don't think there's ever been a studio show as good as that one. But man, Kenny Smith, I swear to God, I wish I could get him on the show to talk about Kenny Atkinson in Game 1 because he just kept telling, you know, Chuck and and Shaq, you know, just stop accepting the switches. And I talked about that on the show following the game the other day. I just, you know, just stop accepting the switches. And I talked about that on the show, uh, following the game the other day. just don't know why in the NBA, teams defensively just accept the switches and then, hence, the mismatches. The screens, and Kenny pointed this out too, which is something that I

mentioned the other day, the screens weren't even that great because the Knicks knew that Cleveland would just accept it. That was terrible. You wouldn't have had to pull harden from the game if you didn't accept the switches. Anyway, I'm getting off on a tangent. The, the Traps on Jalen Brunson weren't very good. He was absolutely precise. The timing was perfect in his passing to break the traps. He had 14 assists in the game. You want to trap Brunson?

Okay, take the ball out of his hands. He'll have 14 assists. He is really a great offensive player. I don't love the way the Knicks play or have played in recent post seasons. I think they are way too much reliant on ISO ball and two man with Jalen Brunson. Jalen can dribble the air out of it, just like Hardin and some of these other players that do it, Luca, et cetera. But man, is he a skilled offensive player and a real high IQ player with the ball in his hands?

I thought he was outstanding last night. Still ended up with 19 points, although he could not knock down a three. But this game, you know, really got away from Cleveland. in the third quarter. Maybe they are running out of gas here. Look, the Cavs have been lights out at home until they lost game six to Detroit. I expect they'll go back home and be competitive

and win at least a game. I think I picked the Knicks in five. I think that's what I said here on the show. And I would stick with that. I think the Knicks will get one in Cleveland. But would it shock me if Cleveland got both? No, it wouldn't. And I'm telling you, you know, these NBA playoffs over the last week and a half, not the first week and a half, but the last week and a half, they've been interesting because it seems like, you know, sort of the smell test theory to wagering, like if you see a number that looks a little bit wrong, it probably isn't. That's kind of worked here in the last week and a half. I was dreadful. Thank God I didn't have a smell test for the NBA playoffs because I think I went like one in 12, one in 13.

personally to start, but been rolling ever since. Let me just look to see. My bookies got Cleveland. Oh, okay. They're minus two and a half in game three on Saturday night. They came back against Detroit is like a five and a half point favorite, so I kind of liked them when they came back from Detroit down to nothing in their last series. I don't know.

Maybe the Knicks will take this game. I like the Knicks overall. lot more than the calves. I don't think the calves are a true championship outfit. They've got talent, but they don't have that, they just don't have that killer, you know, anywhere on the floor. Mitchell, to a certain degree, I do like, you know, Alan, I like Mobley's talent, but there's just no killer anywhere. And the Knicks have a few of those. Tonight, certainly will be interesting with San Antonio, a one and a half point favorite against the Thunder. I think the Thunder will split in San Antonio, and I think the Thunder are going to win this series. Injuries now,

a big factor in this series for sure. Real quickly, wow, this story about Kyle Bush passing away at the age of 41, scary. You know, he had a sinus condition during a race last week where he was calling for a doctor, and still no real definitive information as to how he did. He did. He was calling for a doctor. He's still no real definitive information as to how he died. But that is just shocking news and really sad news for not only his obvious friends and family, but for Joe Gibbs racing. That was crazy to consider what must have happened. By the way, some NFL news, and I think it's important to mention this,

because it's a division injury. Giants defensive linemen Roy Robertson Harris, who, was supposed to replace Dexter Lawrence as a starter on their D-line. He tore his Achilles in an OTA yesterday, and he's out for 2026. Remember, they sent Dexter Lawrence to Cincinnati pre-draft. So that is a player that they were expecting and had high hopes for. Another piece of NFL news, Matt Stafford gets a one-year, $55 million contract extension, which could rise to $60 million with incentives.

He was scheduled to make $40 million in this 2026 season of the $55 million extension. A lot of it is guaranteed at the start of the 2027 league year. So it looks like there are plans for Matt Stafford to not just play this year, but to play in 2027 as well. Remember, the Rams used the 13th pick overall in the draft to select Alabama quarterback Ty Simpson. All right, Ben Standing next after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, guys, listen up. I'm going to tell you about the only gift that dad wants to get this Father's Day. Get him Gold Belly.

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windownation.com. All right, Ben Standing is with me. As I've said many times in the past, I don't think anybody does a better job covering the team than Ben does. I read Ben every single time he writes on his substack. I would encourage you to do the same. It's just a couple of bucks a month. Ben is out there for every press conference,

every one-on-one opportunity. Every OTA day. Speaking of OTA days, they begin next week. Ben's also got a podcast called Last Man Standing. You can get that wherever you get your podcasts. And Ben can be followed on X at Ben Standing. So speaking of OTAs next week, what do you think the coaches are hoping to get out of OTA days this year?

By the way, I just want to say you're always very great about promoting myself. I don't say that enough, but I really do appreciate that. I expect you do with sincerity too. Well, because you know that I legitimately have been and am a fan of Ben's work, and that's why Penn's a regular on the radio show and a semi-regular on the podcast. But I really do. I mean, you know, I read your substack all the time. To me, you know, even with the post in town, I thought it was, you know, obviously top-tier coverage.

I appreciate that. You know, I was trying to think, I was somebody the other day was asking me something kind of similar. And I was like, okay, here's my best way to describe it, I think. OTA is like going to the driving range and working diligently, but on specific things, you pull out the driver, you pull out. uh... an eight iron and you're going to your you're working on your fade or working on your draws whatever it might be but it's not playing eighteen holes it's not that level of

intensity and focus it's about getting the basics down you know getting the fundamental down trying to get that muscle memory going so that when you then go to the game it's part of the deal so i think it's a lot of the dress rehearsal aspect it's just you know hey especially the year where they're having two the schemes are different on both sides of the ball you know it's going to be a lot of okay you You go here, you go here, step here, move there.

Think of this, look at that. I think it's, to me, for the most part, it's that type of aspect that they're most are worried about. Not, but, you know, there's a different deal between the guys who are vets, who especially, you know, like, Terry McCorn has been here for a while, versus, you know, even, like, a way who's new to this group. And then, of course, you know, Sonny Stiles and other young guys, it's the whole learning curve. But I think in general it's that type of deal. It's about the fundamental.

It's about understanding your role and then progress, you know, week in, week out. How important is attendance to coaches? I mean, I think we gave them all truth here. They would say, hey, you know, you guys all got to be here. But it's one of these, as we know, it's a weird bit, right? These are not mandatory. And yet, some teams are a little bit different. But here, historically, no matter who has been the coach, it was kind of been like, hey,

unwritten rule show up, right? That's why in the years past when Chase Young or John Allen or somebody or now last year, Laramie Tunsell, it didn't go, you're like, what's going on with that? Because it is always like everybody there but like one or two people at most.

Like I would assume, I could be wrong, but I'll assume everybody will be there except for Tunsel again. So, you know, I think the coaches love that, but it's not mandatory so they can't publicly say like, hey, what are you doing? Why are you listening to?

Yeah. I think the point you made about two new coordinators, even if it is driving range work, whatever they're working on, you know, can be specified by the two coordinators. Like, hey, you know, last year you were out here just working on your, you know, your lob wedge and all of your wedges. Actually, we want you to take the driver out this year because it's going to, We're playing a different course when we start in September. I think that that's, I think any kind of program that has new coaching blood, by the way, combined with a lot of new personnel blood, I think these get-togethers have to be somewhat important.

You mentioned to me before we started to record that Jaden Daniels is going to talk next week. We know he doesn't typically give us a lot, but what do you want to find out from him? Yeah, that's funny. I brought this topic up. I was hosting on your station the other day, and I brought this up that, like, sure, we want to have you look on the field and blah, blah, blah. But it's his third year. He's still a young guy, but he's coming off obviously of an incredibly frustrating season.

And like you said, he doesn't give us a lot. Now, I'm not saying he needs to give us a lot, per se. I mean, it would be great. I'm not thinking he has to do that for our benefit, but I do think as the quarterback of a team, you are the face of the franchise. How do you express yourself? It's not to the media, it's to the public

when you're just the conduit for the public. How do you express yourself? Do you show more, are you willing to be a little bit more open with your feelings? Do you be willing to point out things maybe we need to be adjusted, to be tweaked? again, not being a jerk about it

or anything, but just like, are you, do you have your own voice? Does he find that, you know, because eventually, you look at almost any quarterback, very few just go kind of blank all the way through, right? I mean, at some point, they start to say something. I know the rule of the old family controversial and with the quarterback, anything they say becomes interesting, but I'm just sort of curious, like, who is he as a person?

Like, what has he gone through the last six months? How did that season of only playing seven games? You know, what does that do to him psychologically, if anything? You know, how is he adjusting? Or, you know, again, maybe he comes out of the exact same deal, and it's fine, but I am just curious at what point do we see sort of the more maturey, like he's a team leader, but maybe words of a more of the more vocal aspect, the one who's expressing himself a bit more.

I'm just sort of curious about that. And I guess the one my question, perhaps is, hey, you know, this is the first time we've talked to you since Cliff is out. What do you kind of make about how important was at least somebody who was on the staff to stay around on opposite. I was back in a day. Yeah, you know, when you were talking about it, I thought about just typically with, you know, faces of franchises, you know, the quarterback position specifically, you see a big difference

between rookie, even second year, and then as they start to get into third, fourth, fifth year, A, and how comfortable they are typically in front of the media, and then B, you know, what they're willing to express and how they express it. So, yeah, I wonder whether or not we'll see a different Jaden in front of the microphone, a more comfortable Jaden, a more confident Jaden, a more, you know, willing to talk about certain things. Maybe not. Maybe it's just who he is, and there won't be much of a difference. but I think more times than not, there's definitely a lot of change. I won't even describe it as growth necessarily. There's just change as pros become pros. You know, rookies become pros, is what I meant to say.

Yeah. And I will say that, like, you know, he doesn't do a ton of one-on-one. In large part, he doesn't really like talking about himself. I got a rookie year. I got a one-on-one with him when the first time he's going to play Malik neighbors. We talked about that. And when you get him with that setting, I would probably say, frankly, when the cameras are not on, he is better. I'm not saying he's the most quotable guy, but I'm just saying he's better.

He's a little more comfortable in that day. But when the cameras are on, I think he's all these two guys come in, I think a lot more media savvy than their predecessors were. And, yeah, I think that sort of automatically clicks in. I got to tighten up a bit. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see if that changed at all. Yeah, and with respect to Kingsbury and Blow, I think those would be the interesting questions. In addition to, did he have any sort of say in how the whole thing went down? The answer would be no, I'm sure, if he's super savvy, but you never know what you might get from that standpoint.

I mean, do you think at some point during the process of coming to the conclusion that maybe we're going to move on from Cliff and elevate David Blow so we don't lose him to another team, et cetera. Do you think that Jaden had those conversations with Quinn, with Adam Peters, with people in the organization or not? I mean, even if they don't go to him and say, hey, Dayton, we're going to move on from Cliff, picking somebody else, who would you want? Like, it would be sort of insane to not at least say to him, hey, here's what we're thinking. you know, what, you know, what are you, what, what's your thought?

Because, like, what you mean, like, what, imagine if they went and got something that was just completely the opposite of what, what would make sense for Jane Daniel, say they were, you know, making a bad choice or whatever. You know, that would be weird to say, okay, here's your, that guy, and you have no, no, say. Now, again, I'm not thinking he would be the decision maker or the decider, but I have to imagine.

I mean, this was my point all along when, when the blower happens fairly quick, I know that the Lions showed some interest, and maybe they were petrified that if he goes to Detroit for an interview, he's not coming back. But I also have to believe that David Blow, I think I said that I came to the conclusion it was going to be Blow before the announcement because I was watching Hard Knocks

and they were showing the room of the quarterback. And everybody in that room, I included possibly Marriota at that point. He was obviously back. Everybody in that room was going to be gone. And sort of like, wait a minute, it's like, doesn't he, you know, Cliff has gone? Like, doesn't he have somebody back, some kind of familiar voice? So that was another reason I assumed that Blow was the guy that they were tagging because at least kept some level of continuity.

All right. Dave Gardy is now the EVP of football operations for the Tennessee Titans. That's a big-time promotion from where he was here for the last two years. did they lose anything with him departing? I think they lose some things along the lines of, you know, a guy who was, you know, very well respected. He's been in the league office for 21 years, I believe. You know, he knew all the ins and out of how the league work from an operational standpoint.

So, you know, it's hard to say how much that matters. But obviously, you know, there's all kinds of aspect to come up behind the things that we don't discuss because it's not on the All-22 where it has nothing to do with, you know, the game per se. So I think just having a losing that wealth of knowledge is something, you know, in terms of the part that maybe the week would pay attention a bit more, helping with some of the in-game management stuff, you know, during the week, on-game day, you know, perhaps. But at the way, when this came out, that this was happening, and I tweeted that, like, you know, his in-game responsibilities or part of his duties, at least three or four people said to me, or responded to hire Kevin Sheehan immediately.

This is for him. Yeah. I got some of that before he was hired. Or when he was hired, it was like, well, why didn't they hire Kevin to do that? Well, because a lot of what he did from what I understand is a lot of what went into that Friday meeting that Quinn sometimes talked about. about, you know, getting information about things that were happening around the league, you know, officiating trends from, you know, other games the week before.

You know, Quinn referenced that sort of Friday get together, the game management get together. And I think that a lot of what was put together for that was probably Garty. And maybe that that was as important in terms of his contribution as was whatever he did on game day, which I've never really gotten any sort of clarification on what he actually did on game day. Have you ever gotten that? I think it's some stuff like with the replays, maybe, you know, helping out, like, you know, putting into information when it's like choice,

his decisions to make, you know, key moments for it down, things like that, not take go, but just like, hey, here's what, you know, here's what we have or things along along those lines. lot of prep and then some in game. But yeah, it's a huge job that he got. It's essentially, if Adam Peters, if their GM is Adam Peters, he is now the Brandon Sopna on steroids. Yeah. Like it's a higher level. He's just a support for the GM, but that's basically it. So, yeah, it's a huge, huge job. Yeah. All right. We've got more with Ben. Ben did the thing that he does every year where he reaches out to NFL execs, GMs, coaches to get them to anonymously tell Ben what they thought of Washington's draft. We'll hear the results of that next after

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coaches, front office execs, and on the condition of anonymity, he gets them to weigh in on Washington's draft. So give me the most positive thing you heard and give me the thing that wasn't so flattering that you heard about Washington's 2026 draft. Yeah, you know, as we know, with only the two picks in the top 100, those are the picks, that range is where you're going to get the most opinions because not everybody is scouting the guys would anybody would be taken in the 6th and 7th round or they're just not as familiar with or what have you. And on that aspect, you know, pretty much rave reviews.

I didn't have anybody say to me they're concerned about Sunny Stiles not working out or the Washington should have gone in a different direction at 7. Everybody praised not just the athleticism, but the character, you know, his character and, you know, all that pretty good. And, you know, he'll be, you know, the quarterback of the defense, ultimately could be the face of the defense and so on. And with Antonio Williams, yeah, a lot of people really liked, you know, the player, the rat runner, somebody mentioned that, you know, I guess they interviewed him during the process,

and they said, he really has a passion for football. The only thing I would be somewhat concerned here is just the amount of people that were saying slot receiver, probably your third receiver. Now, I don't know the long-term Washington is necessarily viewing him as the number two. but in terms of 2026 purposes, you know, he, depending on what happens with free agents or IEC or whatever, you know,

he may have to be the number two. And, you know, that's a question of it. Does that make sense? But, yeah, in general, everybody's pretty happy with him. The other guys,

you know, Joshua Joseph, it was, and it's just sort of what we heard in the real time. Like, the traits are there, just we didn't always see the production. So one person was like,

you know, I didn't really love him, but, you know, you're betting on that, length those traits and you know every team does that to a certain degree and you know with Taitron Island it's like you know you he went to Penn State and he's the all-time leading Russia we can debate whether you know how good he is or or you know what

does it really mean big picture but that's obviously a pretty lofty achievement considering the history of the running backs they have and he's not flashy at all but just gets the job done. And that's how, you know, I'm sort of pegging him for this group that Bill is sort of a flash and Rashad White's the third down, that Alan is the no-nonsense meat and potatoes running back, which they do need. I don't think I asked you this even on radio since the draft. How did you finish in the mock draft contest? In terms of the, you get points for everybody, you get right in the first round. I think I had 29, which was tied for the most that anybody got.

But in terms of getting the exact spot with the exact team, there I was finished, you know, that was less impressive. I think I finished around 60 out of like 160, something like that. That's not bad. You know, solid hit, you know, solid hit, maybe I've directed to a double. But, yeah, you know, for me, it's like those players that's, you know, get a title or bust. Yeah, I mean, when you have that kind of hardware history, you know,

it's finishing 60 at that of 160 is not acceptable. So get to work for 2027. You've got to do better. Anything to digs in digs? You know, it's so funny. For Stefan Diggs, it's the context of Brandon I use is why I think I've just gotten more and more interested. You know, if it was just,

it was not a factor, you just said, hey, do you want to find things? I mean, you could definitely point to the positive, right? Basically get the 1,000 yards every year.

He's highly competitive. Obviously, he's 32, is going to turn 33. I think this year, you know, the age has started to become a factor. He's not beating guys as much one-on-one.

But, again, in a beggars-catcher situation, like this group feel like they are at the second receiver, he would be a pretty good addition. We saw this last year, how he helped Drake May and the Patriots and the team that went to the Super Bowl.

But this is where the due diligence have to come into play. Like, it sounds like New England was cool with him, and it's not like they're letting him go because bad feeling it was just, hey, the money was making too much money from a cap perspective. So they had to figure something out.

They went for the younger guy to sign in Romeo Dobbs. Obviously, maybe they're getting A.J. Brown. So to me, at this point, if you're going to take the risk on Iuke, I'm not saying they're with the same risk, but why not go for the guy who actually shown to be productive and actually wants to play football?

I wouldn't. We still don't know about I, Uke. So I don't know that Stefan Diggs is, again, it's hard to get a reason. He's also, from here, I would imagine he'd be down to coming home. And, you know,

you might know that better than me since he's a turp and you're a turp. But I guess one of the reasons I believe when he didn't get, when he fifth, on the draft, When he came out, was in part for, like, maybe some of the, I don't know, the off-the-field stuff, a little bit of behavior.

And I feel so maybe sense that maybe him here is not the best fit, him being around, you know, the where he grew up is maybe not the best fit. That was a long time ago. So maybe that doesn't matter. But, you know, all these things factor into. To me, if it goes to me, I agree, I think I would at least kick those tires on digs, significantly. But also, the Rams could be in play, the Chiefs could be in play.

and some others as well. So he'll have some options, I would think. Yeah, what about Trayvon, his brother? Yeah. So, you know, from a fit perspective, makes a lot of sense. The cornerback depth is pretty thin, right? I mean, at this stage, you know, other than Tramos and, okay, we'll say maybe Mikey standard still, even though, you know, last year wasn't his, you know,

wasn't spectacular, and him on the outside, where, though he's played better than he has in the slot, it's not like, you know, the lack of size is still a question. But, okay, let's just put that. After that, a lot of questions. I know they brought in to meet Robertson, but, you know, he didn't come off the best season, and he's mainly, he's best serving in the slot, and if they're going to stay in base a lot, then I don't know how much slot is, is really going to be out there. And then, you know, after that, it's Witherspoon and Robertson, two guys who've been around the league,

but they're certainly replaceable. So I think corner is a position they need. I think the problem with digs, a physical combination of where is he at physically? He's had a lot of injuries since when he's worked with Dan Quinn and led the league in interceptions. But also, I think you have to look at the fact that Dallas, that's what I released him last year. But I think there were some other aspect of that, you know, the team fit, the locker room fit, things along those lines. Dan Quinn, just like we're saying about you can Adam Peters, Dan Quinn's going to know this guy. So if Dan Quinn says, I can handle it, he's good, don't worry about it.

Okay. If he's healthy, go for it. But if they don't, then you would have to wonder, does Dan Quinn be like, you know, I don't know if this is the best fit for what we are from a culture perspective. Thanks for doing this. Have a good weekend. We'll talk when I get back. Appreciate it.

Always been. Ben Standing, everybody. All right, that'll do it for today. and as I mentioned in the open, I'll be back a week from Monday. I'm taking a vacation and won't be able to do podcasts from this particular vacation, but I'll be back a week from Monday. Enjoy the long weekend.