The Kevin Sheehan Show - Josh Johnson Signed + Draft Talk

Episode Date: April 12, 2025

A football show start to finish today with Kevin opening the show talking about Washington's signing of QB Josh Johnson. Kevin discussed the unprecedented career that Johnson has had and remembered and played what Jay Gruden said about coaching Johnson a few months back. Ben Standig/The Athletic jumped on for Commanders' draft talk. Bo Marchionte/CollegeToPro.com was a guest talking about the NFL Draft in whole although as a Washington fan, he weighed on some possibilities for the Skins at 29 and beyond.  Go to https://zbiotics.com/SHEEHAN and use SHEEHAN at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Try hims.com/SHEEHAN for your personalized hair loss treatment options.Go To WindowNation.com for your window needs. Buy 4 windows, get 4 free!If you want to bet on sports, go to mybookie.ag. Use code KEVINDC for a bonus! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. Second goal. Johnson, Sprinkle, touchdown. That was a touchdown pass from Josh Johnson to Jeremy Sprinkle.

Remember him? In Jacksonville, back on December 16th, 2018, called by Kevin Harlan on CBS. It tied the score in the fourth quarter of a game the skins eventually went on and won to keep their playoff hopes alive. The show's presenting sponsors, Window Nation, 86690 Nation, windonation.com if you need new windows. Mention my name, I promise you, they'll take really good care of you. Two guests on the show today, lots of draft talk with the draft now less than two weeks away. We'll start in the next segment with Ben Standing and then draft out. expert, Bo Marchanti, will jump on in the final segment of the show. So Josh Johnson,

signed by Washington yesterday, to be, I would guess, the team's third string quarterback behind Jaden Daniels and Marcus Mariotta. Adding Johnson probably means that Sam Hartman doesn't make the full roster again. He could make the practice squad. If you didn't know, Jeff Driscoll, who was the team's third string quarterback a year ago, was not. not re-signed. So the team will go to camp with four quarterbacks that we now know, Jaden Daniels, Marcus Marietta, Josh Johnson, and Sam Hartman. Johnson returning to Washington for a second stint. He joined the team late in 2018 after Alex Smith and Colt McCoy, both had major injuries. Of course, Alex Smith's a very serious injury. Colt McCoy broke his leg

in a Monday night game at Philadelphia. They brought in Mark Sanchez that season. He got benched, and the man who replaced him in week 15 of that season was Josh Johnson. And Johnson played pretty well for Jay Gruden's team, which at the time was hanging by a thread in terms of playoff chances. Most of us in the moment had written them off after losing Alex Smith and Colt McCoy, but their chances weren't dead. And that game on December 16th and week 16 kept them very much alive.

It got him back to 500 at 7 and 7. Johnson was pretty good in the game. He was 16 of 25 for 151 yards, one touchdown, no interceptions. He ran for 49 yards on nine carries. The next week was a game on a Saturday afternoon at Tennessee. he played pretty well again in that one too, but he threw a backbreaking interception with under two minutes to go. They were in Tennessee territory trailing 19 to 16,

and he threw that interception, and they were eliminated from the playoffs. So win actually had they won that game, and they were driving for potentially a go-ahead touchdown or an overtime forcing field goal, if they had won that game, it would have set up a season finale against Philly for the wild card spot, the final wild card spot in the NFC. But they lost that game and then they got blanked by Philadelphia, and that was the end of a lot of things.

A lot of things were going on after that particular game. But Josh Johnson, being back, is so interesting because his story is truly one of the really remarkable stories of an NFL player of all time. Really, if you consider this, he has played on 14 NFL teams. That is the most ever by a player at any position. 14 NFL teams he's played on.

He's played on five different teams multiple times. He also played in both the XFL in 2020 and the United Football League in 2012. Listen to this. His return to Washington is the 25th time he has changed pro teams. 25th. He played at the University of San Diego, was taken in the fifth round by Tampa Bay back in the 2008 draft, and it has been one hell of a journey since. He turns 39 years old next month. since he left Washington after the 2018 season, where he started the final three games for the skins that year, he's only had one NFL start. That one came in 2021. He replaced Lamar Jackson quarterbacking for the Ravens, and he threw for 304 yards and a loss to the Bengals.

An amazing career. He's familiar with Washington, not only he's. because he played here briefly, but because Adam Peters was a part of a 49er front office that signed him twice in three years. He also played with assistant QB's coach David Blow in 2019 in Detroit. Back in October, when Jaden Daniels got injured during the Carolina Panthers game, and Marcus Mariotta came into the game and played well. And then during the following week, in advance of the game against the Bears, Mario's starting was a possibility. I had Jay Gruden on the Friday show heading into that weekend. We didn't know at that point, really, if Marioita would start or if Jaden would start.

But the conversation with Jay on that particular Friday back in October turned towards backup quarterbacks. And the conversation went back to 2018. when he had lost Alex Smith and then lost Colt McCoy and was in that bind with Mark Sanchez and Josh Johnson. And I asked him about that situation and specifically about Josh Johnson. Here's what Jay Gruden said. And then Josh Johnson actually played pretty well for you, I thought. You know, he's still back up.

He's still back up for the Raven. I know, I know. He must be, I've asked you about him before. Guys like him, clearly there's something about him, right? He's smart. He picks up systems. He can throw it well enough because everybody when he's available seems to want him. He's never unemployed.

He is smart as hell is what he is. And he can come in in a pinch and pick up your system in a minute. I mean, I'd sign him in Cincinnati when, you know, to be our backup because we were in a pinch. And he came right in, knew everything, knew all the calls, all the snapout, you just zipped right in. there and then when we obviously had the injury. He's a guy I really wanted it at first. I screwed up because we went with a more experienced guy because we're still in a playoff hunt.

And some people wanted to go with Sanchez because I think Kavanaugh coached them or Jets. You know, that's a familiarity with Sanchez. I like Sanchez, but I always tell the coaches that, hey, if you're going to this type of quarterback, you've got to err on the side of athleticism because, you know, we don't want a pure pocket passer coming in a week and try to learn the offense and protections routes.

So yeah, when we went to Josh, we did a lot of good things with him. He did his own reeds. He got himself out of trouble and did a pretty good job. Jay Gruden from a few months ago on Josh Johnson, he is smart as hell. Yeah, you don't stick around and get signed over and over again when you're not producing on the field, or in his case maybe not getting the chances to produce on the field. if it's not for the other stuff, you know, the intangibles, smart, great teammate, easy to have a round. The Chase Daniels and Josh Johnson's of the world, they've always been interesting to me,

in part because they've made a lot of money, you know, over the years without ever playing, really. But they're interesting in that, you know, as fans, they are basically faceless, but they're not nameless necessarily. And for quarterbacks, that's kind of rare. You know, you either can do it and you become recognizable or you can't and you're gone. But for whatever reason, guys like Chase Daniels and Josh Johnson, everybody in the league basically agrees that they are worth having around. They want those players around, even though they know they probably won't play.

So Washington now, by the way, has a backup quarterback room filled with intangibles behind a star starter, of course. And we know even more importantly that one of those backups can play a little bit. Marcus Mariotta, we saw that last year. He can still play. I got this that I wanted to read before we get to Ben from Gerald. I got it from Gerald Middleberg. Gerald writes, Kevin, I've been a longtime listener. I've never called in or written to the show. I believe you and others have been far too quick to label Adam Peters a genius

and to just accept that anything he does deserves the benefit of the doubt. Dan Quinn may be Peters, I'm not there with you yet. Anybody would have picked Jaden Daniels at number two. But after that, what did we really get from Peters? Most of the veteran free agents last year came because of Quinn or even Cliff Kingsbury, Wagner, Ertz, Beaudish, Armstrong, Fowler Jr., and the list goes on. Peters gave Philadelphia through a trade back in the second round, one of the best rookie defensive players last year in Cooper DeGine.

Meantime, I love Sanra still, but Newton and Sinat are second round picks that are both far from being labeled good picks. I said synod because he wrote it with three T's at the end. It's actually pronounced synod. He writes, same goes for McCaffrey. And after one season of seeing Brandon Coleman, they had to go out and trade a lot of picks for his replacement. The season last year was about one player. I think we can all agree on that. Let's put the breaks on labeling Adam Peters a genius. Thank you, Gerald, for the note. I don't think anybody's called Adam Peters a genius. I have not referred to Adam Peters as a genius. I have not. I have certainly given the benefit of the doubt, not only to Adam Peters, but to Dan Quinn, and ownership, for that

matter. It's like, let's just sit back, let's watch for a couple of years and see what happens. you know, let's have some continuity in the franchise for the first time in a while. Yeah, you're right about Jaden Daniels. I think we can all agree on that, that last year was more than anything else. It was about the quarterback. I mean, 12 and 5 in the regular season with two playoff wins, 14 total wins. You could certainly argue that without Jaden Daniels, they're an 8 and 9 or 7 and 10 type of football team. maybe less than that.

I also would agree with you because I had Jaden Daniels personally rated so highly that, you know, I think most teams by the time we got to the draft, if they had the number two pick in the draft, would have selected Daniels. And I think Washington, by the way, just to give them credit, because I do believe this to be true, if they had had the first pick, I think they would have taken Daniels over Caleb Williams. Now, as far as the rest of it goes, first of all, Brandon Coleman may still end up being a good player, just maybe not their long-term answer at left tackle. A third rounder that becomes perhaps a starting guard or a starting right tackle is a good pick. Sandra still certainly looked apart, no doubt. I thought Johnny Newton had moments, and Senate just didn't have an opportunity because Ertz played so well, and he's not. the blocking tight end that Bates his. His time will come, or maybe it won't.

The trade back, there is no doubt that Philadelphia capitalized on it. Cooper DeGine, an excellent player. And Washington did get Mikey Sandhurstil, and I think Sanry still, and I think Santer still is a really good player. You know, as far as last year goes, in terms of putting that roster together, it was quite the challenge. The cupboard wasn't full. by a long shot. And they flipped it culturally and from a talent standpoint. I do think there's some truth to guys like Wagner and then certainly the Dallas guys, Beattish and Armstrong, etc. And a guy like, you know, Ertz because of Kingsbury, that they got those opportunities

because of their coaching staff. There's no doubt. But I think Adam Peters has done a pretty good job. I think, you know, right now, you know, there isn't anything that you would say that he's done that's been awful. Like, you can't at this point. It's way too early. You know, I don't think he's been on the wrong side of any trades at this point. I think getting Debo Samuel for a fifth is pretty damn good. I think getting tonsil for what they got him for, even though they've got to pay him, is pretty decent. They got, you know, a legitimate star starting left tackle.

And those are investments in the quarterback. I also, I would give a little bit more credit to the quarterback selection. You know, I think by the time we got to the draft, anybody would have taken Jaden Daniels number two. I do think that's true. But there were a lot of Drake May, you know, people out there. A lot of them out there. I'm not just talking about fans or media people. You know, I'm talking about, you know, in the NFL in general.

And, you know, there were a lot of McCarthy guys. There were, I loved Pennix, Jr., not as much as Daniels. But, yeah, I mean, look, getting the number two pick in the draft last year was the single most impactful event for this franchise after Snyder's selling in the last few years. and we can thank Greg Zerline's kick on Christmas Eve back in 2023. Because if he misses that pick, Jaden Daniels is not in a skins uniform last year. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not about to label him a genius, but I am definitely in benefit of the doubt mode. I think you've got to sit back.

I think a lot of these moves can't be evaluated truly until, a few years have passed unless you go out and do what Jaden Daniels did last year. Then you can evaluate it pretty quickly. It may be the quickest return on investment for a team drafting a quarterback at any point that we have ever seen because we've never seen a rookie season like the one he had at quarterback. And we knew it so quickly. It didn't take time for it to develop. I mean, the game, you know, in week three on Monday night football against Cincinnati, it was like, okay, I think they may have gotten it right. There was a long way to go, but what a start and it never tailed off. It only got better. All right. Real quickly,

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And Ben does a phenomenal job covering the team for the athletic. You can link to all of his stories and subscribe like I have by going to his Twitter account. All right. There was news today. Washington signing Josh Johnson. They've got four quarterbacks now in camp. Any significance to Josh Johnson, a veteran quarterback? They already had one in Marcus Marietta being signed, in your opinion?

I don't know about significance. Look, this is not a big, relatively speaking. It's a third string quarterback. you know, we never typically worry too much about the third guy. And, you know, maybe you're interested if it's a young guy, like a Sam Hartman-type guy. I guess I'm a little surprised at is the need for them to have a third guy who would be a clear, like somebody who could step in, but you already have Marcus Marriota, obviously Jane Daniels, but you have Marriota, who's that experienced guy, I would have thought maybe the third string this year

they try to get somebody who could potentially be the backup in 2026. Not that Marriota couldn't be, but he's only on a one-year deal. And, you know, who knows how much longer he's going to keep going. So I might have thought they would have tried to use that spot to develop somebody. You're not developing. Josh Johnson, he's going to turn 39 next month. But, you know, he's a totally solid player. You know, he was here before.

Teams always feel like, hey, if we have to throw him in, we feel comfortable with that. But, you know, there's no upside there. We're not, you know. So it's a little odd to me, but it's not. Yeah, I'm not going to raise a stink or anything. Jay Gruden's told me in the past, as recently as this past fall, that Josh Johnson's one of the smartest players he's ever been around. And you think about it, I mean, this quarterback room, brains and high character, man,

it extends beyond just the quarterback room. If Jaden Daniels needs any advice, there are plenty in this, you know, an incredible sort of culture that they have established around him out in Ashburn. That's the thing. I'm all for helping Jay Daniels and whoever which way he can't. But I mean, I feel like that's why I just get the mental role. They're pretty stacked at this point. I mean, include David Blow.

Exactly. Kingsbury, to be a pretty sure, Brian Johnson. Like, they certainly have a lot. That's why I'm excited. I was a little surprised that we go that route. But, you know, sure, I get it. I mean, when you think about, like, you've already mentioned some of them, and you haven't even, you know, mentioned a guy like Anthony Lynn yet.

Like, they just have so many guys that, and Doug Williams in the building, they have so many guys, if Jaden needs anything, if he's got any questions about something, you know, in his life or as a player or financially or, you know, reading defenses, we got a lot of options for them. That's for sure. By the way, smart to have all of those influences around them, you know, starting with the head coach. All right.

Two weeks from today, we'll know who they picked in the first round. If they stay at 29, who's it going to be, Ben? Let's go right to it. Well, you know, the obvious caveat is 29. We don't even know who's going to be on the board necessarily. You know, the butterfly effect is real. You know, if one position starts going earlier than expected, that could change you there, blah, blah, blah. I mean, for me, from here, here's the thing, the more I've thought about this over the last few weeks, you know, sort of post-free agency,

I think it's become even harder because really, like, they don't need anything. Like, I mean, they could improve. They can get more upside. But they can start the season right now pretty much at every. every position and be like, okay, we have a group here that can get the job done. You know, you can't always have, you know, studs at every position, but like they have, you know, solid pieces. But, you know, so they don't really have to fret about anything.

Edge rush, sure, that would be good. They need more potential there, definitely. Cornerback, both from a depth perspective and possibly as a starter, you know, who knows exactly where we are, but we have in the March on Latimore experience, both in terms of a health situation, but also just his play. you know, they lost some speed on offense when the Army Brown left, and, you know, I think in general they could just use another playmaker. Uh, to go plus, you know, Debo Samuel, Noah Brown, Austin Eckler, Brian Robinson,

Zachert, all these guys are free agents after this season. So, you know, there's all that, but like, they don't need almost anything. In fact, other than quarterback, almost any position would be, I wouldn't be like, oh, my God, I can't believe they just took that guy, knowing how this how these group operates. But, you know,

but with only the five picks, as of now, they've got to decide, hey, word, we think we really do need help and address that sooner than later. They only have two picks in the top, you know, 100 or so picks. So they've got to match with what they

have, but again, if they just want to go best player, it's not crazy. I agree with you, but I do think that based on what we know today, and maybe it's Dietrich Wise, maybe it's Javon Kinlaw when he goes out and plays D-end, maybe it's Louvo in his second year, I don't know, but it certainly seems like they need a pass rusher. And I don't know if they help themselves in terms of becoming a better run-stopping team, which was their number one flaw overall. But 10 and a half sacks walked out the door.

I mean, they were important, even though Fowler Jr. wasn't necessarily a player you'd want on the field on early downs. I mean, I think that still, to me, appears to be run-stopping first, but in terms of what's obvious, is where are the sacks going to come from? Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, agreed. Like, yeah, the defensive end are not, it's fine. A fine group is not. citing at all. Armstrong and Dietrich Wise combined last year for 10 sacks that's left than the 10 and a half that Dante Fowler had by himself. And it's not like Dante Fowler, let's not say Dante Fowler was Dexter Manley. Like he was limited to what he could do. That's one reason they seemingly decided to move on. They wanted more of a few-way threat

bear, you know, because obviously the run defense was spotty. So, you know, and just, you know, from a longer-term perspective, defensive end, Eddres is, you know, one of the four or five most important positions for any team, and they don't have anyone right now with that upside. That's why it's considered to be, you know, I would say arguably their biggest need if they want to sort of go down that route. The good thing is at that position, if you look at the board, like when I typically do on my draft, I do at least two rounds because you got to look and see what, if they, you know, which direction they go in, what's there behind them.

The defensive end, I know our guy, Dan Brigg was just put out his draft guide. in the top 100 players, I want to say 17 or edge rusher types, whereas like cornerback, which is I think the other position I could see them taking, for the most part, at 29, there's 11. And then if you extend it out into the fourth round, I want to say it's like 24 edge rushers versus like 16 corners. In other words, you know, if you're just looking at it from a, you know, dark throw kind of way, there's going to be more options later in the draft at egg.

You can corner, and that's why I think you can wait. on edge, but if there's a player you like and they'll have options for sure at 29, you know, like you said, they need to get more, they need to get younger, they need to get a pass rush, they need to get guys, somebody who can help them in the run game.

So, no doubt that they should be looking at that, they just, you know, they could go out and play tomorrow if they had, they would not be shy from a number's perspective. As you're getting ready to, you know, put together a hopefully first place finish mock draft.

You've had multiple of those. And it won't come out until what, the day before the draft? Final one, yeah. Yeah, the final one. But is your next one the final one? No, so we're talking Friday. So on Monday or Tuesday, I'm going to do what I, the story I do every year, which is I'm going to do the draft six different ways.

you know, to show, you know, what happens if they go for an edge rush or here, then here's what the rest of them might unfold. If you make a trade up or down or whatever. So I'll do that next, and then there'll be a final commander's only mock draft the following week, and then I'll separately on my own do the first round, you know, like the 24 hours before. So don't, you know, disclose everything that you are going to put out, you know, on Monday. But answer this. what do you think the best case scenario would be for Washington at 29 if they have to pick there?

If they have to pick, so I can't say a trade down is the best case. You know, if they have to pick, the best case scenario is probably, you know, there's a lot of edge defenders in this draft and a bunch will go in the first round. One thing that's weird, and every time I say something like this, you always give me that. Don't make excuses kind of line. This year is really challenging in terms of gauging how players are ranked because it's not the deepest, it's not the most talented of first round. And, you know, just talking to people and looking around the public list, there's no consensus.

After you get past Abdul Carter is going to go somewhere in the top three. There's no consensus with who is where. Some people have a Shamar Stewart as a top 10 player. Others think he's not even worthy of first round selection. I think a guy like a Donovan Ezraku from Boston College, he's a real bendy, 245-pound edge guy, highly productive last year. I think he would be a really interesting, you know, pure edge rusher type for them. He could go as high as, you know, in the late teens. So I think if one of these defensive ends flips that they think is interesting, that's probably their best case scenario.

And look, even a guy like Mikel Williams, who out of Georgia, who some people, think it's like a top 10 pick. You know, Dane has him around 21 or so in his list, and I've seen other people with Mock draft put him down into the late 20s. So that's probably the best case there, that one of these

edge rusher types that they like. I mean, they're not all the same type player, but one that they like all down to them. Otherwise, like, they'll still be options there, but it may be like guys who were like a little bit less athletic, a little bit less upside. It's still very productive, but not, you necessarily like the high upside guys that we're talking about otherwise.

All right, but you didn't give me the best case in terms of a name. So, I mean, like I said, I, okay, here's the thing. The best case for me, the best case for me, you know, look, I'm not like, you know, I'm not going to be some film guy the way like a Logan Paulson is. Okay, that's fine. But for me, from what I see and what I read, I think the perfect guy for them is Nick Corton from Texas A&M. He is a guy that when you talk about there, what they're looking for in a person.

He was a team captain at 19 years old at Purdue. He's highly competitive. Every play he's coming. He's out there. He's putting in a lot of energy and a lot of effort to make plays. He stops the run. He had 10 and a half sacks. as a sophomore. He had five last year, so that's obviously less.

Texas A&M had him playing at a heavier weight. He's now, instead of being around 280, he's now at around 260, and that's probably where he's going to play, which is where he was successful. He was at that way to Purdue. All those things, I think, to me, make him a really good fit. He's also, you know, as I said, a team captain, we know how much this team likes that. He just doesn't have some of the same athletic traits as green with these other players. Yeah, Mike Green.

James Pierce, Jr. from Tennessee is one of those guys. It's very athletic, but he doesn't seemingly have some of the same, you know, locker room positives that Scorton does. It's just that a lot of people publicly don't have scored and typically in that first-round range, but when I'm talking to people in the league, they seem to like him more. Again, we'll see if we're watching it fits in that. But it just every time I think about him or talk to somebody about it, it just screams to me, this guy makes so much sense for Washington.

And the perfect scenario is a trade out of 29, dropped down early in the second round, and he's still there, which is conceivable, and he gets some extra picks. But for me, that's probably about as close to the perfect I can get. But, again, he doesn't have the same upside as a Nezeraku, a Mike Green, a Pierce. But, you know, upside is not the same as fit, and necessarily. And from a fit perspective, I think he really just makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I think the problem with the trade back is what you said earlier, and that is this isn't a draft that people are talking about has, you know,

27 guys with first round grades. You know, it may be closer to 20 guys with first round grades, which means a lot of teams will be looking to trade back, and few will be trying to trade up into the first round. And if there is a quarterback, you know, at the end of the first round, there will be multiple teams that can do it. There's no, you know, it just seems like those conversations, are always the preference of fans in particular,

but you and I both understand, and we talk about it all the time, you have to have a partner to do it, and you're not going to be the only one more likely than not in a draft that doesn't have first round grades on a significant number of players looking to trade out of that first round. Give me the guy that you'd be surprised, or give me the position, excuse me, the position other than quarterback, and let's throw out left tackle for the purposes of this conversation.

Give me the position that would surprise you after those two. You may have already said it, which is nothing would surprise you other than a quarterback or a left tackle. Yeah, I think it's kind of that. I mean, I guess I would say tight end might surprise me, not because they don't need one necessarily for the future, but they're still working out, I presume, what Benson it is. you know, if they only end up keeping three, they had four times last year, but if they only end up keeping three, then you already have urge, Bates,

and spin it, and, you know, you saw Colson Yankoff, who was there around there last year as well, Cole Turner's on the practice squad, whatever. So, like, you know, if you're going to draft a guy, he's got him, you know, you want him to have a real spot to make the team, and I don't know that there is one at tight end, so that would probably be the one where I'm like, well, and this is considered a good draft for tight end,

so keep that in mind, you know, if they think a good guy they like if they're there, then you do what you do, but that would be the other one where I'm like, I don't know. I see that. But, yeah, again, I think, I don't think anything with surprise me. Like, defensive tackle. Okay, you have Duran Pay, Johnny Newton, Javon Kinlaw, Eddie Goldman, Sheldon Day.

Dan Holmes can play inside. Like, but they're good, right? I mean, I'm not saying it's a great group. I'm just saying they can go out tomorrow on play. But, you know, we'll still see where Johnny Newton goes. Kinlaw is a bit of a risk. We know that. I think Duran Payne is a real little chance.

He gets the John Allen treatment next off season and is released as a cap cut. And, you know, and Goldman and Sheldon Day, like that shouldn't prevent you from taking someone. So, you know, defensive tackle is a monster class this year. They could get one at 29, but they could take one in round, you know, the middle of round three or round fours where they have a pick. That wouldn't stun me at all. They took one there. So that's not the same with 29.

but I don't think that's crazy to say, can I defer this? It's sort of the opposite of what I'd be surprised if they did it. You mentioned throw out left tackle, which is, of course, reasonable. I'm trying to wonder about right tackle, because if the whole point is to help Jaden Daniels, like we're sort of all acting like Brandon Coleman will go over to right tackle, and he'll become a good player. I mean, maybe, but, like, if there's a right, if there's a tackle at 29 that you'd like, wouldn't that guy presume would be better than the third round pick

he took a year ago, or at least like the potential would be better? Yeah. I'm like Coleman couldn't. It's not like Coleman couldn't eventually move to guard. You know, Nick Allegretti sent a three-year deal, you know, oftentimes a player doesn't always

play out the third year. You know, what do you do with her? I don't think that's insane. And, you know, if you look at this draft, again, if you look at the top 100 that Dame Bruegler's list, he's got like four or five guys in the top 25. Between 25 and I want to say about 75,

he has two tackles going off the board, and one of them, Donovan Jackson from Ohio State, is typically being viewed as a guard. So it is, if you want to tackle, you're going to have to get one early, because it really falls off,

seemingly based on Dane's list, after that. And so, again, if Washington said, hey, we could do that, you better do it at 29. And guys like Josh Conno is Morgan,

who's been a, it was exclusively a left tackle in college, but, you know, if I think he can play right, Josh Simmons from Ohio State, he had, like, top, you know, he had, like, sort of a lottery pick range, high before he, towards ACL last year. He probably still goes in the first round, but, you know, some people have him ranked outside the top 30. So, you know, I think those guys are there. I think it should be more of a consideration than we're probably having

with, like, a public discussion. No, that makes sense to me. I just don't think you're going to draft a pure left tackle at this point. And those quarterback and left tackle, but drafting any other offensive line position, now that there are no centers necessarily that are considered to be first round or even second round worthy, I don't think. So that would obviously be a bit of a surprise. But yeah, your de-tackle thing, your left tackle in college that can play right-tackle.

We learned one thing about Brandon Coleman. they don't think he's their future at left tackle, and there was a lot of belief at various points during the regular season and even after the season that he was going to be that. Ivan threw out, I think it's a long shot, but because this is a draft that doesn't have a lot of first-round graded players in it,

at least according to the people that really follow this and analyze it, what if a player they absolutely, love as an edge rusher or as, you know, as, what if an Omari and Hampton ends up being three picks away and they think he's the next Gibbs or Bijon Robinson? I don't think anything's off the table in this draft. And so, you know, a third rounder next year to move up three spots, I don't think anything's off the table. That would be a long shot. I'm not predicting it. I just don't think that anything should shock us other than them taking a quarterback or a pure left tackle.

Yeah, as I mentioned, I'm going to have a story out beginning of next week looking at the draft from like, you know, six different ways it could go. And, you know, to play that out, one of them is like, okay, what if they just go, screw it, we're going to be aggressive. Yeah, we already have missing draft picks next year. And we only have five now, but if we think there's a guy that could move the needle, could that be a Hampton? I mean, I think if you're going to draft running back in the first round, to me, it's got to be because you think your team is just sort of that piece away from really being a legit contender. If Washington wants to think of themselves that they are after what happened last year,

with Jayden Daniels, I get it, and Hampton might be the kind of guy that you could do that. I don't know if I'm, if I'm, it's one thing that it's risky to already take a running back in the first round, let alone and trading up for it. Maybe a trade-up is for me is more like a pass-rrrrisher. I'm kind of intrigued by Nick I'm in a worried of a safety out of South Carolina

who's crazy crazy speed crazy size all a huge playmaker type but again safety is not one of those positions but yeah I don't I don't think anything is should be considered off the table trading up is close

because they just don't have a lot of picks but yeah if there's somebody there they think makes sense then hey yeah and the reason being being would be they are in love with a player that they think can really move the needle and they can't trade back and the player they're going to get at 29 has, you know, a second round grade, not a first round grade. All right. We have plenty more spots to do between now and the draft. So we'll have a lot of your material out next week to talk about. Thanks for doing this. Have a good

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And use my promo code, Kevin, D.C. They'll give you a cash bonus right when you sign up so you'll have extra money to wager with. Mybooky.orgie.orgie.org promo code Kevin, D.C. All right, joining me right now is a draft expert that I've had on before that I really enjoy, Bo Marchanti from college to pro.com. Two weeks from today, we'll know who Washington picked in the first round if they actually picked in the first round. Kind of a crazy draft right now because it's not the quarterback heavy draft that we had a year ago. Bo, let's just start there. This draft is so much different than last year's. For someone, let's just say, who's not paying attention to it and is just starting to, how would you describe it?

Well, yeah, I mean, last year we had 12 quarterbacks go, or six quarterbacks go in the top 12 picks. You know, I think Cam Ward will go one to the Titans out of Miami, and then you look at Shador Sanders and Jackson Dart. I think once you get to those two names, those could be the only other quarterbacks taken in round one. And I think the variation on Sanders of where he could go, I mean, you could say the window goes from to the 20 to 25 even. And I think there's a wide spectrum, and I think dart is that same type of guy where you're talking, you know, 10 to 32 or a day two guy. So it's not quarterback heavy, as you mentioned, but nonetheless, if you're tuning in right now or you're getting acclimated to this 2025 draft class, you're going to see a resurgence of possible two running backs in the first round and a little bit of a tight end bump in terms of Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland out of Michigan. So a little bit less on receiver and quarterback, but a little bit of a bump in running back and tight end.

All right. We'll get to Washington and later on in the first round. But are we settled now on Tennessee taking Cam Ward? I mean, that would be a shocker if they either traded the pick or didn't pick him, correct? It seems pretty, yeah, it seems far-fetched to think outside that realm at this point, Kevin. It seems some of their free agency moves kind of aligned with where they're thinking of going. fortified the O line. They did certain things. It just makes you think, you know, the backdoor that, hey, this is their plan all along. We're going to do the things that we need to do to make it a more

nurturing environment for a rookie quarterback to come in and maybe not get the, you know, get the reins day one. But, you know, definitely make it as an easy transition from Collegian to the pro level as they can. So, you know, Cam Ward, you know, when this process started, it really was a closer race between Cam and Shador Sanders. it was like a two-horse race, but now, you know, Cam's kind of separated himself, and Sanders is that prospect, and there's always that lightning rod type prospect where, you know, he could beat two to the Cleveland Browns, or, you know, you could see him going 21 to the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think just that, that wide dynamic of, you know, what he brings to the table. And I like Sanders.

I love DART and Cam Ward. So it's not that, again, that top-heavy quarterback class where we're just saying, wow, these guys all look like, you know, elite franchise types, but I still think that. I think there's a lot of upside with all these guys. I don't want to focus too much on the quarterbacks because for the first time around here in a long time, we don't have to worry about that, which is really nice. But what's wrong with Shadur Sanders for most people that don't like him? Well, I mean, size-wise, you know, he's not the prototypical 64-240,

and not a lot of quarterbacks are. I mean, that's the ideal measurement. I think his personality, and people could say that, you know, but, you know, he's going to speak what he's on his mind, and he's not going to shy away from things, and I think his father, we know it's D.O. Hall of Fame, prime time, et cetera. You know, he's not going to shy away from making his voice known

if there's some, you know, hiccups in Shador-standers' career and whatnot. I was able to, you know, he did media stuff down at the East West Shrine game when I was down there. uh... he came across as a good kid uh... you know he didn't seem standoff as he didn't seem cocky or arrogant he just seen the kid that you know he's been around the block he's been in you know the the shadow of dion his entire life he saw how his father has navigated himself uh... professionally as a player and into the coaching realm so i think it's just part of that demeanor of you know and you could take this

good or bad you know he has NFL pedigree his father's one of the best defense of we've ever seen. And he's kind of developed himself. You know, we all know Jackson State, and he's going to Colorado, and he's kind of advanced his game. I like his pocket presence. You know, but I do believe it's more of a, you know, in-house, how's this guy, how are we going to be able to deal with him if things get bad and deal with his father?

And that might sound like a tiny spectrum in terms of the big scheme of things. But when you're in a locker room, you're an organization. and you kind of want everybody to be on the right page, keep things in half. We're not going to say things publicly. If there's a problem, we'll do with that internally. I don't think that would be the case. And I don't know if it was yesterday or today. I read even that he kind of came out with that,

where teams may like him, but he's going to shoot it to you straight. And that might rub people the wrong way or people might be content with that. But, again, I like Sanders. I don't love Sanders, but I don't dislike him. I don't like dislike his attitude or anything of that nature. I actually really like Cam Ward. I don't like him as much as I like Jaden in the draft last year or even Caleb Williams, to be honest with you. But I think that all of his skills are translate to today's game.

And apparently the overall demeanor, the overall, you know, kind of the intent. Tangibles were very positive coming out of his pro day. Yeah, I listen, I mean, there's a reason why he's projected to go number one. I mean, there's a lot to love about this kid. I like his toughness. You know, when you think of the Tennessee Titans, I know he was a Houston oiler first, but you think of Steve McNair, and I am not saying he is a Steve McNair, you know, duplicate in terms of the toughness that Steve.

I mean, he was a rare breed. It was like Brian Eulacker playing quarterback. Yeah. But there's a sneakiness to Cam Ward about his toughness, and then you think of his playmaking ability, his ability to extend plays. That ability to extend plays is my biggest, my biggest pause on just falling in love with this guy, because I think at the collegiate level, he was able to do so many things by prolonging extending plays, waiting in the pocket to do certain things.

And that window of opportunity shrinks to almost neal zero when you bring it to that pro level. So I think that will be the biggest adjustment that I'll want to see him be able to make. I think athletically, does he get it up top is the head right? I think all those checks all those boxes. Is he smart enough to play the position? Absolutely. Is he athletic enough to play the position? He has more than enough athleticism.

So I think those are the two intangibles that you want. You want a guy that can dissect the defense quickly, make the right execution of the ball, and where it needs to go, and make all the... throws. But I just think that extended to the play, and I think we saw a little bit with Caleb Williams, his rookie year. He was the same guy at USC. He was able to extend plays, do a lot of magical things, but in the pro level, you know, I think 68 sacks or something last year, that's a horrific number in terms of, one, staying healthy, and two, you know, taking loss of yards and wasting downs and trying to avoid that. And that's my biggest concern

with Cam Ward. Now, does it make an undraftable quarterback, Absolutely not. It just means it's something I'm going to pay attention to. It's just process goes through and then he enters the league and hopefully develops into a premier prospect. Who's the best player in this draft? Kevin, I love that question. I do. I think if you went through 32 NFL war rooms, you might get 15 or 10, 12, and 13 different names. Really, that many different names, because I thought. you were, I thought it was between Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. Yeah, well, I put it, I think, yeah, it's Carter or Hunter.

I should, yeah, 15 or 15, 16, but I just think there's, and you can even throw the quarterbacks in there. I mean, Ashon Genty, the Boise State, I mean, it's hard to imagine a DB getting that type of, or a running back up, getting that, you know, he's considered defeat. And I think that's what makes it fun, because when you think of Travis Hunter and Thule Carter, you look at the Browns at number two, and then you look at the Giants at number three. I know the Browns signed Flacco, and then you have the Giants sitting there with two veterans now and James Winston and Russell Wilson. So, you know, do they kind of take quarterback off the board?

This is what I'm going to say about picks two and three between the Giants and the Browns, or Browns, two, Giants' Three. I don't know if you're the one of those teams have that selection on draft night Thursday, but I do believe that Hunter, and this is not some wild, you know, oh, wow, Bow's really going off the rocker here in this prediction. But, you know, I think it will be Carter, too. I still think Carter will be two. I just think he's a, you know, Travis Hunter is a good receiver.

I don't think he's on the Justin Jefferson level, Chase, Jamar Chase level, but he's pretty, pretty awesome at receiver. Defensive back, and I don't know if he's a first round defensive back. We know he's versatile, 700-plus naps, collegiately at Colorado, Heisman, all those other accolates. And that's awesome. The versatility, there's nobody else like it. Nobody else we've seen in collegiate football that's come out in years. But that said, it's still, you're talking about professional football and being the absolute best.

So I think Carter's two, and then you get into that weird realm where what do the Giants do at three? And, you know, do they take Hunter? Do they pair him with Malik neighbors? And allow the quarterbacks to hopefully develop around these. elite weapons. I had to do a mock draft show last week, and I just kind of went off the realm completely, and I just said, you know what, the Giants took Soquan, Barclay in 2018, at number two overall, and maybe they duplicate that. They're not shy from taking that quarterback. They've proven it. So maybe they go Austron Genti at number three, and that's just

kind of, you know, and then you push Travis Hunter of the four, and it goes back to the receivers, you know, Jamar Chase for, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's just hard to find, you know, Marvis Harrison, Juniors, four, Malik neighbor six. It's hard to find a receiver that goes number two overall in an entire draft. And again, when we talk about Hunter, we talk about the versatility, but I think it's a singular player, if you're going to pick him, it either receiver or defensive back, I just don't think he lives up to the elitiveness of a receiver prospect that would be the second pick overall. That's where I kind of get.

For me, when I do these evaluations, that's where it's in the back of my mind. I'm like, how could they just throw all of what the NFL has known over years and where you kind of take these guys and just say, hey, he's versatile. He can play some defensive back. Let's make them the second pick overall. But, I mean, I think all the betting websites have them going right now and number two. So usually Vegas is right a lot more than I am. So I guess, you know, take it from there as well.

I think at this point, I mean, not that Joe Flacco is the answer. you know, long term. But the fact that they signed him today, and there was interest in cousins for a while, Cleveland apparently, it feels like they're not going quarterback. Yeah, I would be a little bit. I don't think they're going quarterback at two. Maybe they trade down, maybe another two moves up, and maybe they take a quarterback late, you know, maybe they move back into the first round, or they take it, you know, day two, you know, there's a, you know, Well, a ton of, not I say a ton, but you know, you got Kyle McCord, you got Tyler's show, you know, there's plenty of options on day two, and the second and third round to pick up a quarterback

if you still want to go that route. But I agree with you. I think to think that they're going to go quarterback, it too doesn't seem like that the idea that they're going to go down, especially with the late signing of Flacco. And I was joking with some friends this morning when I saw that break. You know, you got Kenny Pickett, you know, Steeler, and then you got Flacco, Raven, X Raven, stealer. And I was like, the only thing they need to do is bringing like an Andy Dalton, ex-Cinatineineineineineine battle and they'll have the entire AFD North on the team.

Washington needs defense. It doesn't mean they'll go defense because I think running backs a possibility. I think another wide receiver that, you know, they'll probably take best player available unless it's a quarterback, which it probably wouldn't be your left tackle. So as you look at them at 29, my first question is, at 29, if they stay there and and pick there? Are they getting a first-round quality player in this draft? A player that the team's boards would grate out as a first-rounder? I would say no. To me, what I usually hear, I usually hear that number kind of starts at the decrease around 21, where you know, maybe 16 to 21 is that elite sure-fire, you know, all the boards basically have these.

top 15 to 20 guys on their board. I think when you're picking at the end of the second or end of the first round at 29, you know, you're, you're still getting a heck of a prospect, but you're not getting, you know, I think those, you know, we call me, you know, the blue chip type guy. You're getting a guy that you're really going to like and has all the potential as anybody else and also has all the dissatisfaction of being a bust as any other pick. But, listen, they've got a heck of a job. And you cover the team. You know them inside. and out. The turnaround from last year going into the, imagine thinking of this team heading into this process last year on April 11th and thinking about what dire straits they were in, but new ownership,

the new quarterback under center, new head coach, and everything has just kind of come to this, you know, magnificent, you know, birth, if you will. It's a, it's a renaissance to be a Washington football fan right now. And for the diehards out there, I mean, I grew up a Washington fan back with the hogs and Jerry Clark. I didn't know that. I don't know that you've ever mentioned that when I've had you on before. Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, I was always chunky as a child.

So Kirby Puckett, John Riggins, Charles Barkley were always my favorite athletes. Because, you know, you always want to emulate who do you pretend you want to be. And by no means, I'm still the shortest person in the world. And now I'm just short and, you know, I want to say I'm skinny, but now I'm just a short, tiny person. But, you know, I was always that, man, I wasn't chunky. But, yeah, that's so I loved Riggins, Daryl Green. You know, I could go on and on. Again, nothing that your audience and the people in the area of, you know,

I'm not going to throw a name out there that's on. But, yeah. But I love seeing it. I mean, I remember going down to RFK a couple times as a kid with my buddies and not being able to kind of witness the game there, which was an exciting time. Yeah, it was the best. This, I mean, hopefully one day, new stadium downtown. it'll feel the same. All right, so they stay at 29.

Defense is an emphasis here in this offseason, but I don't think anything's off the table. What's available for them at 29? I think, I mean, I think a Mickey Abuga from Ohio State, I think he could be a guy there. We know Terry McLoughlin is, you know, in that contract year. So you could look at receiver. I think some of those type of guys will be around when they pick 29th. And I think you can look at a, you know, Josh Simmons O'Line, and we're talking defense now, to flip it,

a guy like Walter Nolan, he's a, he's a, the Ole Miss, I love him as a prospect. He's one of my absolute favorite, but he's a guy that you, I think you could see go from, you know, 17 to 38 in terms of, you know, his draft window. So I think he's a guy that could be there on their radar. And then, you know, you know, Jada Barron, the DB, Those are just a few of the guys that I think that I think they would be fortunate to get at that spot.

But I rather have the guys that I think you're fortunate to get than thinking about the guys that, you know, you really don't want so much and they're not exciting to you. I think you always kind of want to get the thing that you can have rather than the thing that you expect it. Yeah, a guy like Nolan's more of a detackle. And I'm wondering if there would be an edge at 29 that you would envision being at least. least close to some of the other names you mentioned as best player available? Like, what a Shamar Stewart fall? What a Pierce fall? What a Green fall to 29? I think Pierce is that, Pierce is a freakish athlete. We know that, but I think if there's a few

guys in this draft where I'm, I really don't know in terms of their, their, how high they could, their ceiling or their floor. I think Pierce is that number one. one guy. I think athletically, you could say, wow, this kid is phenomenal, but then you watch him, you see the career, he's like, oh, is he that guy that can hold up every play? So I think he's a guy that we talk about because of his numbers and his potential, but does that relate to a high draft pick on draft day? So I think he could be a guy at 29. I don't think Green will be there. I think Green will be top 15, 16. I think, you know, by the time the Falconser, Cardinals go, he'll be off the board. Nick Scarleton, the Texas A&M.

on edge rusher. I think he's a guy that could be in that window. So I would say, you know, Scowarton from Texas A&M or Pierce could be that guy. And again, he's a high, you know, maybe a Leonard Floyd type. And there's nothing wrong with Leonard Floyd, but I just think a long, lengthy, very athletic guy, you know, and I'm sure if Washington could get that Leonard Floyd, I know he went a lot higher when he was taken by the Bears several years ago, but nonetheless, he's turned into a very solid prospect. A solid NFL player.

Who are the running backs after Gentie worth, you know, using a first-round pick on, a late first-round pick-on? Well, I mean, Amari and Hampton, North Carolina, kid. I mean, he's just a powerhouse, a bruiser. When you think of physicality downhill, just demolish opponents, he's your guy without a question. I think he'll, I think he's going to be a top 20 guy. and you know you look at Denver you look at Dallas at 12 I think those are two key spots where he could land but I I would be shocked if Hampton is there at 29 and I would even be a little surprised if Washington took him you know I I would be shocked

but I think after Hampton then you know you know the Ohio State guys and Henderson and Junkins you got Bayshel Tootin on the running back from Virginia he's kind of like that Turee Cohen, and he also went to North Carolina A&T, so you got that connection. RJ Harvey, Damien Martinez out of Miami, another big bruiser. But those are going to be, you know, day two guys. But I think you're two running backs on day one. Gentie, of course, is a guarantee. And I pretty much think Hampton's a guarantee.

I think for Hampton, it's just fine in that team that says, okay, we're going to commit to a running back at round one. And I think that could be Dallas. I think it could be Denver. I don't think the Chargers so much because they sign Noggi quickly and free agency. So it kind of be like a double dose of one of your big prize free agent signings, and then you draft a running back in round one. So I don't think the Chargers would go there.

And I would elect to think that Washington doesn't go there. But if he was around at 29, it'd be hard to say, hey, let's go in another direction, put it that way. I really think the running back in the first round thing has to be a guy. that you believe can be Barclay, that you believe can be Bejohn Robinson. You know, it's got, Jamir Gibbs, it's got to be a guy that has massive impact, especially in this draft.

If not, wait, like you said, like you mentioned a couple of the guys that I like. I love Martinez. I don't know if he's there day three, but you get a swing at him maybe on night two. I'm bringing up running back because I do think there will be an interest. and I think Washington will end up taking a running back in this draft,

if one that they really like falls. So with that in mind, I mean, after Gentie, I may be Hampton, but are any, do you see any of these guys as potential Sequin Barclay kind of impact running backs? I think right now, no. And then, you know, two years from now is one of these guys developed. I mean, you know, you know, Henderson, his speed, You know, there's lots of things

to like about these guys, but I think late first round and to think that they could become a Barclay. I mean, that's, you know, remember Barclay was the second pick of the draft, him coming out of Penn stage. I mean, there was no question that, you know, this guy was the guy. This guy was going to be a superstar in the league. I mean, you know, very rare times you feel that confident about a guy. I think Barclay, you know, a unanimous decision that we all kind of went down that direction.

You know, what it is Hampton. You know, like Gentie is that. Jetty is that guy that you mentioned. He is that Gibbs-type guy. He is that Bejohn Robinson guy who can do so many things. Hampton's a different animal. He's a bruiser. And, you know, he can catch, but he's not going to be that Ladanian-Pon-Muton-M-M-M-Uty type.

He's not going to be a Marshan-Folk-Folk-Wolk-Wilk-Wilk, you know, if you want to kind of want a more-Linch-Marshan-Linch-type guy, you want a guy that you're just going to be able to hammer and just, you know, hand-hand-off and just pommel defenses. And, you know, there's a good thing about that. you know, just say he goes to Dallas, you got, you know, you're hitting it off to a guy that's just punishing the entire side of a team. You're bringing in your linebackers. You have to execute your safety to go up and play in the box. Now you're leaving, you know, the back door of the C.D. Lamb, et cetera, you know, open.

You know, those are the little things that, you know, where the running back has an impact, not only running the ball, but in terms of how you're going to play the back end in terms of, you know, what do these guys do defensively to shore up the back end when you've got to commit so much to the interior. But I like Hampton. I put it this, Kevin, I'd go as far as to say, there might be a few war rooms in the National Football League that have Hampton won. I wouldn't dismiss that. We'll never know that. They'll never tell us, and I'll never have the access to find out.

But I wouldn't be shocked that there's a couple teams in the National Football League that have Hampton is their one. That's how much I like Hampton. I looked at this the other day. I think four out of the last five running backs taken in the top half, of the draft and there haven't been many but the list is like Christian McCaffrey Saquan Barkley

Gibbs and and Bejohn Robinson. So like top half of the first round running backs over the last five, six years, seven years or whatever going back to McCaffrey have actually worked out. Real quickly, two more and I'll let you run and I appreciate the time as always.

They traded for D-Barrie. Samuel, but Debo's on a one-year deal, and they're not going to extend them. Wide receiver, I don't think, is out of the question if the player is the best player on their board. I would assume McMillan's long gone. How do you have the receivers after McMillan, and if you assume Travis Hunter is a wide receiver? How do you have them sort of ranked and, you know, are they first rounders?

Yeah, well, I have Hunter won. I have McMillan 2. I have Luther Burdon 3. Kyle Williams, the receiver, four. And then I have Amico 5, and then Marcus, Golden out of Texas, 6. I think the last three,

and you can even throw a Trey Harris out of Ole Miss there, I think those, the last three that I said, I think those guys will be on the board. And, you know, last year, you know, look at my numbers, we had seven receivers in round one last year. I don't think, I think the over-under for me would be three and a half.

I think that's the number where I think you're going to get three, four is a push, and I'd be surprised if we see it. I just don't think. And the reason I say this is I think this is so many different opinions on which guy is the one, absent of Hunter, which guy can do this or that. And when I think when you have an unclear identification amongst all the draft pundits, You know, I could actually, your top five, you tell me, I'll tell you my top five, and we could go down the list. And I don't think there's going to be an adjacent, you know, a domino effect of everybody having that same type of top five in that particular order.

We might have the five same names, but again, you know, you're talking about the number one receiver who should be the first guy off the board compared to my five guy who might not even be our first round. That's a pretty big discrepancy and opinion. So I think that's where the three and a half for me comes into play. I just don't know how teams are going to look at these guys on draft night and say, hey, just say, you know, Luther Burden is better than Oregon's Derek tackle, Derek Harmon. You know, those are the things that I look at in terms of value, and then you can get these guys on day two.

And real quick, I believe, I misquoted. I think Martinez is definitely a day two guy. I was thinking third round, definitely not a day three guy in terms of four, five, six, and seven. Yeah. Well, Knight two is second and third round, exactly. You know, in talking about the receivers, I'm actually really surprised that Luther Burden isn't obviously the number three receiver in this class. In terms of just pure production and watching him, every time, you know, you turned on Missouri,

it's like that guy's a pro, and that guy is going to be difficult. with the ball in his hands in space. But apparently, you know, after McMillan, there's a wide range. I mean, you mentioned you threw out a guy and Kyle Williams that I haven't even heard, you know, into the mix there. Igbuka, Golden, clearly. But anyway, all right, last one. Give me the guy that you love that maybe people aren't talking about that you think will end up going a lot higher than, you know, right now the mock. say he will.

The guy that will go higher that I love. I do love Walter Nolan, but I don't think he's going to go extremely, extremely high. So that kind of eliminates him. You know what? It's not a – it's not a sneaky name, but I will say this guy. I do think he goes in the top 10. I think Will Johnson, the defensive back out of Michigan.

If he didn't miss time with past season, I think when you look at him as a whole, I think it's all there. And he reminds me of the year where Derek Stingley snuck up and surpassed Soss Garner in the draft. I think Stingley went three, Soss went four or five. But at the time, you know, it was Soss, Soss, Soss, but you think of Stingley, LSU, I think the pedigree of Michigan, that defense, and I just like Will Johnson as a whole, big, long, tough defensive back. I think he's a guy that, you know, we're not talking about. talking about him as a top 10 pick.

But I think, and when the one of my last mocks I did is, you know, I kind of tried to go crazy a little bit, was the Raiders. You know, Gentie goes three to the Giants, and you got the Raiders sitting there, the running backs gone, Pete Carroll, Legion of Boom, Ken Chancellor, Richard Sherman, you bring another big tough defense guy in terms of Will Johnson to kind of begin that back-end upgrade that the Raiders kind of have lacked for years and years probably since, you know, Charles Woodson. The other DB that they had for a long time that it's escaping my name,

and even if it did come to my mind, I wouldn't be able to pronounce it in Duke Bay or I'd just forget. Oh, yeah, yeah, I know who you're talking about it. By the way, on Will Johnson, this time last year, I mean, he was a consensus top 10 pick. So the injury definitely has pushed it back, and I don't know if there are other things as well. Great stuff, Bo. Really appreciate it. Guys, you can follow Bo on X on Twitter at Bo Marchante, M-A-R-C-H-I-O-N-T-E, and he owns and runs college to pro.com. Thanks for doing this. Good to catch up. Kevin, you're the best. Have a great week.

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