The Kevin Sheehan Show - Julio Jones....Yay or Nay?

Episode Date: May 25, 2021

Kevin and Thom today with more on the Caps to start then plenty on the Washington Football Team which opened up their 3-day OTAs in Ashburn. The guys discussed what the expectations for the upcoming season should be and then wondered whether or not trading for Julio Jones would be worth it. They finished up with Thom's 50th year High School Reunion dilemma and a recap of Mare of Easttown/episode 6. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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So help us out on that front. if you don't mind. Tommy's with me today. If you miss Scott yesterday on Phil Mickelson's win, I would urge you to go back and listen to that segment. It was great on yesterday's show. Tommy's got a column out that I was reading. Basically, as we were getting ready for the show, and he had a line at the end of this column that made me laugh out loud. We'll get to that. But we're going to start with the Capitals because you have not had a chance to weigh in. and this was what your column was about, was about the big decision.

And I talked about it yesterday, the big decision that the brain trust of the capitals made. And God, they are smart. Just ask them. Absolutely. The decision they made after winning a Stanley Cup. Yeah, you may remember it. They won the Stanley Cup three years ago, Tommy.

Washington did. And then what did they do? 11 days after they won the cup. Well, I wrote, all these, These men of intelligence, compassion, and empathy, they probably sat in a room. They had the Stanley Cup trophy right on Ted's desk,

and they looked at each other, and they said, how hard can it be? You know, we'll just get somebody else to do it. We'll get Reards to do it. Yeah, we'll get old coach Reards, because he was the one, remember, we were told this, he was the one responsible for winning the cup anyway. I mean, Barry was just along for the ride,

He was on... He was lucky to have his job at that point. He was. It was rare. And we read this from the media who covered the team. Oh, no, absolutely. I remember conversations with everybody, and they said, look, I mean, Barry's a terrific coach. And he's, you know, this is the first cup.

You know, this is the furthest they've been. It's the first cup in franchise history. It's the first title in D.C. history since 1991. but man, Jeff Reardon, Todd Reardon, Jeff Reardon's a pitcher. Todd Reardon, old Reards, Coach Reards, he's really the X's and O's genius behind the whole thing. That's what we were told. What surprised me about that, I mean, from veteran reporters who should know better, I mean, you should have covered sports long enough that, you know, there's a big difference between being the assistant and the head coach.

A huge difference. Right. I mean, the shorts get a lot tighter when you're the head coach as opposed to the assistant. You know, the players love you when you're the assistant coach because you're not the head coach. And they go and bitch at you all the time about the head coach. And now you're the head coach. Now you're the bad guy. You know, there is a huge difference.

And there's a lot of assistants that just can't cut it. and you shouldn't automatically think it's just a slide-in situation. There's a lot more than X's and O's involved. There's a lot of pressure. Don't you remember the issues Jim had when he became co-regional manager? You know, and he was making all these decisions. And even Michael Scott had to come in and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, I made that mistake, too. You know, Tommy, that is so true just in almost any sort of team or company

situation. You know, everybody always below the top decision maker, in their own mind, they can always do it better. And, oh, they would have done it this way or they would have done it that way. And, you know, in a lot of different places, you'll get the backbiting and you'll get, you know, the assistant coach or, you know, the vice president of sales saying, you know, I personally, I wouldn't have spent more than five minutes with that particular client, but he wanted me to, whatever it is. You know, but it is a completely different chair when all of the decisions and everything, you know, related to the team is on your shoulders. And Reardon lost that team in a year. I know.

It wasn't even close. And they quit on them in the Carolina opening series that year. Well, no, no, they quit on them in the Islanders series last year in the bubble. That was the story. The Carolina series. No, they quit out. The Carolina series, they wound up losing one game five nothing. Yeah, but they lost games.

At least that one went to a seventh and decided game and went to double overtime. You know, they were pretty close to advancing. Last year, they got beat 4-1. And then as you pointed out in your column, they bring in the veteran coach again like they did with trots. Well, maybe we should try it this way. And, you know, they lose in five games to Boston. I will remind you, you did like the caps on Thursday. Oh, no.

I was surprised. I thought after the first two games, it would be a seven-game series. and it would be, they'd all be close games. Tommy, the whole hockey thing is crazy. I'm going to run it down for you right now. It's just this way, it seems like it's this way every year. So, seeding-wise, Pittsburgh's the one-seed. Barry Trots' New York Islanders are the four-seed.

The Islanders, one game five last night, three, two and double overtime. They're up three games to two. Boston was the lower-seeded team. They took out the higher-seated team in five games. Carolina is the one-seed. Nashville's the four-seed. That series is two games. a piece. Florida's the two-seed, Tampa Bay is the three-seat. Tampa Bay is up three games to two.

Toronto's the one-seed Montreal is the four-seed. The Maple Leafs lost the first game. They're up two-one now in that series. Winnipeg was the lower-seeded team, the three. They just swept the two-seed, who I think won like six more games than Winnipeg did and had a lot more points. And Winnipeg ousted Edmonton, who, by the way, have that next star of the game, Connor McDavid. They beat them in four straight. The avalanche are the team that a lot of people like. They did sweep the four seed. But Vegas is now in a series with Minnesota 3-2 going to a six-game.

Vegas was one of the favorites to win it all. It's just the hockey postseason. I mean, it's utterly unpredictable. But I do want to just give you credit for a line that made me laugh out loud. And I will read it to everybody right now. So Tommy's column, which was, you know, basically ripping Ted and all of the, you know, the Ted brain trust for not paying Barry Trots. By the way, I want to mention this.

You know, you wrote, you know, Barry Trots, the coach of the Stanley Cup championship team, the first one the franchise had won in its 44-year history, wanted a new contract that would take him from being among the lowest paid coaches in the league to one of the highest at $4 million a year. But Trots had a deal the men of intelligence, empathy, and compassion. were determined to hold them to, a two-year extension of his existing contract with a $300,000 bonus for bringing the franchise its greatest single moment. That is so, like, in the moment I felt this way, I remember talking about it.

That's, I don't know what they were willing to give him. And maybe he was, you know, hard and fast on $4 million a year. But if really they wanted him to stick to that deal, the two-year extension at whatever he was earning, what was it, $2 million or $1,000 or something? I think a million eight with a $300,000 bonus. That is the definition of Penny Wise Pound Foolish. The definition of it. Like, we're so smart, and yes, they were so smart,

and they thought they had an alternative solution. But in a situation in which you're not sure that you've got the right solution, I mean, ah, you know what, Barry, we did have that in there, and you did sign that deal, but my God, I mean, look at the cup. Look at how pretty it looks. You are a guy. If you're going to make a mistake, you make a mistake with the guy who got you there. I think so.

Not the unknown. Yeah. And of course, you refer to the business of happiness, which we've referred to many times. That was Ted's book from 10, 12, 15 years ago, or whatever it was, which was truly one of the more self-indulgent, you know, books of all time. A guy that, you know, had learned how to be happy so much that he was willing to tell you how you could be happy. and you refer now to somebody should write a book called The Business of Arrogance. But the best line is when you get to the end and you wrote, you know, the chaos around, you know, this season could have happened under Trots as well. That's true.

But by the way, if it had happened under Trots, they wouldn't be criticized for keeping Trots. And you write, you know, that now we sit with all sorts of questions about the future of this team as they have squandered three seasons in the, twilight of Alex Ovechkin's career, a career that is now in question. He is set to become a free agent this offseason. When asked about his contract following their 3-1 elimination lost to Boston on Sunday, Ovechkin said, we just lost a playoff series. Let's talk about my contract and stuff later on. And then you wrote, no one seriously expects Ovechkin to leave. Everyone assumes the business of arrogance that has put this franchise in this position doesn't extend so far as to say goodbye to one of the greatest athletes this town has ever seen. But hey, you wrote, Morgan Moses is gone. Anything's possible.

Morgan Moses is gone. Anything's possible. Oh my God. Morgan Moses is gone. What are we going to do? What are we going to do? I know. To compare him to, you know what, there are some people out there that probably would compare him to Alex Ovechkin. It certainly seemed like it last week. By the way, just, um, to throw this in there again. I know I've said this already. And I, you know, I did, I think on the podcast yesterday or maybe on Friday or maybe I did it on radio, I can't remember now. I did question the timing. Like, why not wait, you know, until you see if you can get something?

So I did have a conversation with somebody late yesterday and I asked that question and they said, yeah, they didn't want to wait. Why not? They were just ready to move on from Morgan Moses. You know, understand that there's a lot that we don't know, okay? Yes, a lot of us. You know, the conversation about, oh, my God, how stupid is this? Like, even if they think Cosme's better, he's a rookie. Like, even if they think Leno and Lucas, you know, or whatever, you know, let's wait.

And I think it's a reasonable question to say, you know, you have hurt your depth. You're taking a big risk with a rookie. And why not wait? Well, you know, no one's told me that Morgan Moses is like a bad guy at all. In fact, great work ethic, you know, smart, good teammate, the whole thing. But, you know, not bought in completely, has a lot of questions about how things are done. Like maybe, coach, why don't we think about doing it this way? And after a while, it just became, you know, he's not good enough if he's not going to buy him.

in to the way we're doing it 100% like everybody else is. Yeah, I mean, one of my rules is if you're going to make your own rules, you better be so good at what you do that they can't ignore you. Yeah, so I think there is a lot there that sort of deals in that general arena of conversation. You know, at some point, you want to say, oh, my God, he's a dictator. It's his way or the highway. And this isn't good. Well, why isn't it good?

Because what, the other ways worked so much better? Yeah. Because 3 and 13 and 7 and 9, like, you know, like I just, Ben Standing wrote about this, and he did a really good job of writing. It's like, isn't this what everybody sort of wanted? They wanted somebody to come in that would have the ability to make these decisions, the autonomy to create a culture which they believed in that if you didn't adhere to, that you'd move on from?

Like, how many times did our good friend Richard Dofferson? Walker say, well, how much of you won with him? Like, nobody should be expendable on this roster after a 3 and 13 season. Of course not. Now, I don't totally agree with that. There are really, really good players on 3 and 13 teams that might be young and might be in a good contract situation. You don't want to get rid of everybody because then you have to replace everybody.

But Morgan Moses, to stand on that hill and fight that battle over Morgan Moses, I don't get that at all. I don't get that at all. So have at it. And look, you could be right. Down the road, you could be right. Like Cosmi turns out to be a bust. Lucas gets injured.

They don't have anybody, and they're dealing with some of the issues they dealt with in, like, 2017, you know, with the offensive line where they're, you know, taking guys in off the street and you're like, man, they really screwed it up with Morgan. Moses. You could be right. But right now, they want people who are bought into this culture change and aren't questioning anything. And if you don't like that, okay, that's your prerogative. But this is sort of what a lot of you did want.

Like you wanted somebody that would be given the opportunity to do it his way if that somebody was competent. You may not love Ron Rivera, but he's a competent head coach. Yes, and he's a competent. And he's proven to be a good leader. He has a track record of accomplishment. And he's proven to be a competent leader. as well. Look at the reaction. Again, I've pointed to this many times. When he got fired in Carolina, the reaction from his current players and former players was overwhelming. Overwhelming. And by the way,

his best players, too, they loved him. They respected him. So is he a great coach? Is he a Hall of Fame coach? I don't see that. Is he, you know, top half of the league coach? I think he is. I think he's somewhere in the top half of the league. And he's a leader and he's gone through a culture change before and he's learned a lot. And for now, you know, Danny is letting him do it. At least it would appear. So I'm going to let him do it too. Doesn't mean that, you know, when we get to week three and he goes for two at the wrong time,

I'm not going to be sitting here questioning it. But I'm certainly not going to get worked up over Morgan Moses. And again, there's a lot we don't know. And what we don't know that I've been told that I believe in, and my sources on this is, you know, Morgan wasn't totally bought in. And that's what he's looking for right now. And if he were really, really good, like if it were Chase Young and he wasn't bought in, well, you're going to deal with it if he's really good.

But he's Morgan Moses. He's Morgan Moses. You make allowances. And you know what? Here's what I bet. I'll bet you that the offensive linemen at the OTAs right now look great. Of course we're going to be told. that. And hey, I bet you they look, I bet, you know what? I'll bet you the quarterbacks look fabulous.

I'll bet you, I'll bet you something else. I bet you a lot of those people, they won't say it, but I bet you a lot of those people aren't surprised that Morgan Moses is gone. Well, you know, I don't know. Why didn't it take you so long to respond to that? Well, because I don't, I mean, I could care less if they're surprised. I thought I had lost you there for a second. I'm going to have to go back and make an edit there to shorten it up. There was like an eight seconds delay on that answer. I don't understand the point of the state. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to pick on you here. Okay. I don't understand the point of the state. Who cares if they would be surprised? The point is that they saw it coming and everybody else that's

so adamant that it shouldn't have been coming. They just don't know as much as the people out there know. That's all. That's the point. It was just, uh, it was just an extension of the original point with people who would be, it was a bridge two, it was a bridge two. It was a bridge to. It was a bridge to Well, you know, sometimes it is for you. I understand that. They are out at OTAs, and it leads to a conversation, two of them, about the football team that I want to have. Number one is Julio Jones is available, would you? And number two is something that Michael Phillips from the Richmond Times Dispatch said to me this morning on the radio show about what Ron Rivera's expectations are for the season that is upcoming. We'll get to both of those topics. right after this word from one of our sponsors. So Michael Phillips, Tommy, was on the radio show with me. He was on his way up to Ashburn for OTAs. The next three days we'll have, I think, a lot of positive news coming out of Ashburn.

One thing real quickly, just to point out, 80-plus players showing up for OTAs. That's impressive. Is an impressive sign for Ron Rivera, the head coach. There are a lot of teams that aren't even doing this right now. They're voluntary. He said something to me. that I was surprised at. He said, I think that if you injected Ron Rivera with truth serum,

I'm paraphrasing here, that his actual expectations for the upcoming season wouldn't be the playoffs, that he's still in the midst of sort of this rebuild, this culture rebuild, and that his expectations aren't the playoffs in 2021. And I was surprised at that, because I don't agree with it, but I think it leads to an interesting,

conversation, which is something that Michael pointed out, which is, you know, the expectations have sort of been reconfigured here after making the playoffs versus if they were seven and nine and they hadn't made the playoffs. Like the expectations now are that this team with that, you know, vaunted defense and with Ryan Fitzpatrick and with the additions and the really good free agency and the great draft, that they should be. make the playoffs next year. And that those are sort of the expectations, whereas if they had gone seven and nine and not made the playoffs, there may have been a lot of positivity about the off season, but the expectation

wouldn't be playoffs. What do you think the expectation? First of all, do you agree with him that Ron Rivera, if injected with Truth Serum, would tell you that he's probably not expecting to make the playoffs this year? you know, it would be such a shot in the dark. I mean, I'm assuming Michael Phillips, who covers a team, knows Ron Rivera, who I've never met, much better than I do. So I would think his read on the coach would probably be far more accurate than I would think.

I mean, you know, if he thinks they don't have the quarterback that they need in the playoffs, If he thinks that Dallas with a healthy, Dak Prescott is going to be head and tails better than everybody else in the east, then yeah, I think that probably is the truth. I think I can only judge him on his actions, right? So his actions, and I can't judge him in the same way Michael Phillips and the guys that talk to him all the time, can judge him. I think the action of trying to trade for Matt Stafford, but much more so trading for a veteran an older veteran quarterback and Ryan Fitzpatrick,

is it tell that he thinks that they've got a chance to make the postseason this year? That he's got a good enough team. His defense will be improved further in this upcoming season, especially after adding Jackson at corner and hopefully whatever Jamon Davis becomes, hopefully he's the guy that they think he is. He looks real good so far in the OTAs, apparently.

All right, let's stop on that. Looks very good. Well, I've already seen, you know, a picture and video of Cameron Cheeseman's first NFL practice snap. And, you know, it's pretty good. Pretty good. I mean, it's right there, right on the money, on a punt snap. But I think that the signing of Ryan Fitzpatrick is an indication that he wants to win games this year. He wants to get back to the postseason.

He wants to continue that momentum. And by the way, I don't think that it has anything to do with what maybe you think it has to do with, if you were to agree with me, that, you know, he wants to keep the owner it bad. I'm sure there's some of that in his mind, but I just think he feels like there's an opportunity in the division that he's in, which isn't great, even though Dallas looks like the best team on paper in the division. The young defense, the improved offense, and he didn't want to go in and play four quarterbacks next year.

He wants to have one guy that's ascending, and remember this. Remember what he said just a few weeks ago, when he said, when we signed Ryan Fitzpatrick, we didn't necessarily consider it to be just a one-year solution. Now they signed him to a one-year deal, but that was one of my first reactions is maybe this isn't just one year. Maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick is the quarterback here for the next two years or three years. We're seeing these guys play older and older, and he's been ascending here the last two years. Maybe the true highlight portion of his career are the next two or three years in Washington.

My expectations, Tommy, I don't know what Ron Rivera thinks, but I think his action of, of, attempting to trade for Matt Stafford, but much more so a 38-year-old in Ryan Fitzpatrick signing him is an indication that he thinks he can win enough games to get to the postseason this year. It could be, by the way, it could be just a way for him to ensure that he's got one quarterback and he can evaluate the rest of the team and he can give the rest of his team a chance to develop rather than playing four quarterbacks. You know, that could be part of it too. My expectations are that this team is going to continue to improve

because I do believe in the coaching staff and I believe in the head coach and I believe in a lot of the young talent so it will continue to improve but that like an 8 and 9 or 9 and 8 non-playoff season is the most likely outcome right now. Like I kind of feel like Dallas is better. I think the Giants will be improved.

and even though, you know, Pauley called in this morning and said, you never, you always say you don't play the schedule game, but he said, I have this sense that you're playing the schedule game this year. I think he's right, actually, to a certain degree, because I've never seen a team have on their schedule as many great quarterbacks and receivers as the ones they'll face this year. You know, Herbert and Keenan Allen in the opener, week three, Josh Allen and Stefan Diggs, week four,

Matt Ryan and who knows who will be the receivers there. You know, week six, Patrick Mahomes and Tarek Hill, week seven, maybe Aaron Rogers and Devante Adams. Week nine or week 10 after the by, Tom Brady and all of his receivers. Week 12, Russell Wilson and D.K. Metcalfe. Like last year, they won seven games, five of them against backup quarterbacks. Two of them against starters, Carson Wentz and Ben Ruffel. And Ben Rothelberger and the Steelers were at the beginning of their nose dive.

All good points. I just... All good points. It's hard to ignore the schedule. This year, it's... Given how difficult it seems. I'm not discounting what I always discount, which is we don't know what that team's going to be like by the time we get there. But if those teams aren't, you know, injured and the quarterbacks and the receivers

and they're still really good teams again this year, those are really difficult games. And by the way, I made the point earlier this morning, boy, the addition of William Jackson and the cornerback situation against these quarterbacks that they're going to face in the first 10, 11, 12 weeks, the pass rush is going to be there. But these teams know how to scheme around pass rush with great quarterbacks and great receivers. The corners are going to be crucial. And I'm excited about Jackson, and I'm excited about Fuller.

And, you know, but they, you know, they, last year they had an issue stopping to run at times. And, and they're going to have to make sure that they're able to cover people this year. Well, your record that you basically

flirted with nine and eight or eight and nine. Cowardly? No. I mean, remember, I predicted when we did do, when I did do the schedule game that they would wind up seven and ten. Right. So eight and nine is just one game off. I think that's reasonable.

CBS Sports did a ranking of the projected defenses in 2021 and who had the best defense, et cetera. They had Washington as the number one defensive football team in the league. That is really lofty. That is incredible. And there's no doubt. It's really interesting, Tommy. everybody outside of this market thinks Washington's really good defensively.

And they were good defensively, and they've got a chance to be even better defensively this year. With the addition of Jackson, with the return of guys like Collins and ionitis, and who knows with Jamie Davis. But really, you know, another year, year two in this system, they're well coached defensively for the first time in a long time. But man, that is, that's up there. I mean, Tampa's defense is awesome. There's no way I would rank Washington's defensive. better than Tampa's. I wouldn't rank it better than Baltimore's. I wouldn't rank it better than Denver's or Miami's. Now, all those teams are there in the top 10. I think Washington definitely,

you know, if they would, if they'd come in fourth or fifth on this list, that would have been fine. First. And yet, everybody has this incredible expectation about them defensively. And yet, you know, they're over under in Vegas is eight. You know, they're playing 17 this year, so eight's not 500. Eight is less than 500. Dallas is sort of a sizable favorite to win the division. And they've added big-time weapons offensively. Curtis Samuel, a better quarterback. They should be more dynamic and quarterback than they've been in five years.

They have a receiver that's right now a top 15 kind of receiver in the league in Terry McCorn. Anyway, the other thing is this Julio Jones thing. So did you see what happened to him yesterday on undisputed with Skip and Shannon, Shannon Sharp and Skip Bayliss? I mean, I have a vague idea that he thought he didn't know he was on the air when he was talking to Shannon Sharp. Is that the deal? Yeah, apparently. Apparently he didn't know, you know, he's friends with Shannon Sharp. Shannon Sharp, they were talking about Jones, and of course, Skip Bayless saying he should go to the Cowboys.

And so they called them up, and Jones apparently didn't realize that he was on national television. And then he said, you know, as far as Atlanta, he goes, no, man, I'm out of there. I'm out of there. And so then they told them, like, whoever the, I don't watch that show. Whoever the moderator is, she said, have you guys told him that he's on TV? apparently a lot of people were weighing in, including agents of players, saying that's why they tell their players never to go on that show. I don't know what the situation was. Bottom line is he appeared to have been caught off guard.

And the big takeaway, though, is he said, I'm out of there. So I was reading various things about the teams he could be traded to. Washington was mentioned a couple of times, but very much down the list. What was surprising to me to a certain degree is what the expected compensation for him will be. And the expected compensation, you know, like Bill Barnwell and others, you know, a second rounder, a third rounder, maybe a second and a fourth, something like that, a third and a fourth. For Julio Jones, who's under contract for the next three years. I was surprised. I was talking to somebody.

And I was really surprised at what they thought it would take to get him. He's 32 years old. He was injured last year. I had hamstring issues, missed the most games since he was a younger player, missed seven games last year. But Tommy, this is a great player. This isn't a good player. This is a great player. And this may get your minds in wheels thinking about this. But I said this on the air without thinking about it. And I could be wrong. And I haven't gone back and done all of it. But when he's done, he's going to be a top 10 receiver of all time. Not just statistically, but in terms of how unbelievably good he was on the field. He's a dominant player. Is he Jerry Rice?

Is he Randy Moss? No. Is he in the next category of conversation of receiver? By the time he gets done, he could be. He's 32 years old. That's an issue. He's coming off an injured season. That's an issue.

He's a $15 to $16 million salary cap hit. That may be an issue. He's also, you know, many people think, past the best portion of his career. But I went back and looked at it. Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, Steve Smith, Sr., and Kwan Bolden.

There were a lot of guys that had some really good years, several of them, after 32 years old. So if I were watching, look, Aaron Rogers would be number one on my list of people to chase in terms of a trade if they're available. Julio Jones is a distant, distant second, okay, right now. But if you told me all I had to do was give up a second and a fourth rounder for Julio Jones, I think I would do it. So would I. Absolutely. I mean, based on what we know right now, I would as well.

Are there any coaches on this? I don't know if there's any coaches in Washington that have had that have worked with Julio Jones, anybody from the Atlanta staff. I don't think there is. Plenty of people on the Atlanta staff that had to coach against him twice a year. Yes, that's true. But I agree with you. I mean, for a second and a fourth to have that guy. I mean, yeah.

I mean, I'm on board with that. But, you know, fans are funny. They like, again, they like their, they like their team in a nice little package, you know, with all the corners folded and stuff. And they've just gotten use to the receivers that Washington is, is on the roster this year, the guys they drafted, the guys they signed, free agency. And they're bought into those guys. And now you're going to tell these fans, no, no, no, no, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to tear all that apart. And we're going to bring in somebody from the outside. People don't like that.

There really is like this, this hesitance among a lot of fans. And by the way, I did a poll on this at Kevin Sheen, D.C., Twitter poll. And basically it's like 60, 40, 60% say they wouldn't trade a second and forth for Julio Jones. 40% say yes. You can vote on it by going to the poll on my Twitter page at Kevin Sheen, D.C. a lot of people say that's too much to give up for Julio Jones

I mean the second and fourth we're building it the right way it keeps coming back to this we're building it the right way and look Julio Jones is not Aaron Rogers Aaron Rogers makes them a Super Bowl contender immediately Matt Stafford would have made them a legitimate

division favorite and one of the top five favorites, four favorites in the NFC to get to the Super Bowl potentially Julio Jones may not do that, but Julio Jones is great. He's not good. You put him opposite Terry McLorn with a great defense, with decent backs, with a

quarterback. I mean, the quarterback is an issue, and I'm excited about him. Not everybody is, but a guy that will throw the ball downfield, will give his receivers a chance. I don't know. First of all, if I were Atlanta, I wouldn't trade him. They have cap issues. I get it.

Once they drafted Kyle Pitts, to me, they were all in. and Matt Ryan for the immediate future. I'm keeping Terrell Owens. I'm keeping, excuse me, Julio Jones, and I'm putting him on the field with Calvin Ridley, who I think is very underrated in Kyle Pitts, and I'm saying we can score 35 points a game. We can certainly score North a 30 a game and win a bunch of games next year. But a second and a fourth, I mean, think about this team's recent past second rounders, Suea Cravens, Darius Geis. I mean, I don't know. know, to me it would be sort of a no-brainer. But to your point, and it's a good one, it's like, oh, we just got Curtis Samuel. We just got Adam Humphreys. We just drafted Diami Brown, and they're

not costing us anything. And it's too much cap space, and it's too much trade compensation. By the way, it's their, like it's their money and their draft picks. Well, I don't have a problem with that. I mean, I love how fans think about the cap and think about it. If you don't think that way, you're not thinking the right way. That's all, it's all part of what makes up, you know, the roster, the construction of the roster. But a second, a fourth for Julio Jones, like, oh, he's 32? I mean, what if he has three great years? By the way, you know, Tommy, this conversation about Julio Jones. So I got some pushback clearly from some older listeners when I said, he's obviously a top 10 receiver. He might be a top five receiver when all said

and done. And I had, I just threw that out there without any of the numbers or without thinking about it. But I went back and looked at it. Like, I think we've had this conversation before, but of all the positions in football, there is one more than any other that when you're having an all-time conversation, there's no debate who the all-time greatest wide receiver is. It's Jerry Rice. Right. No one debates that.

Nobody does. I mean, running back to Jim Brown. I know, but, you know, that would be the other one. After that, Tommy, every other position is a debate. Every other position. Well, you know what? Tom Brady is pretty much distancing himself in the quarterback. Still a lot of people would debate that.

Nobody debates Jerry Rice. I would argue that Jim Brown is the more undebatable position. Look, the wide receiver in terms of measuring greatness is such a warped practice because Paul Warfield played for a Miami Dolphins team after he got traded there from the Cleveland Browns that didn't throw the ball maybe 15 times a game. But anyone who played against Paul Warfield will tell you that he was probably the greatest receiver in history to lead. Lance Allworth, same thing, right?

Yeah. I mean, so it's, but the numbers are dwarfed. Why didn't you respond to Lance Allworth? So many people have told me. I mean, Lance Althorth was great. But Paul Warfield is the one, the name that comes up when I talk to people from that era, when I talk to players from that era. And I saw Paul Warfield, and they're right.

I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find a receiver better in the history of football than Paul Warfield. But, you know, kids, they're going to look at you like he got two heads. I mean, he doesn't even have it. He probably doesn't even have as many, you know, receptions in his career as, I don't know, picking up Spira Redskins, Washington Wide Receiver, Albert Connell. Albert Connell. Paul Warfield on the list of catches.

Hold on for a second, because I was looking at this earlier. um, receptions career. I mean, remember the dolphins were a team that had two, 100,000 yard rushers. Yeah. 1,000 yard rushers. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, Mercury Morris, Jim Kick, and, uh, and Larry Zonka, all in the backfield. So Warfield on the list for catches. Man, he is down the list. I know. Um, but the eye test. Chart, you know, the 242s from that era. and I remember Warfield, too. I don't remember him in Cleveland.

I remember him in Miami. But there were two 42s that were great during that era, Charlie Taylor and Paul Warfield. Was Warfield better than Charlie Taylor? Yes. He was? I think so. Is that an obvious yes?

I can't say it's an obvious yes. Would most people agree with you? Yes. Really? Yes, they would. Paul Warfield Tell you what Ask Doc sometime

I know he loves Warfield I know Okay I know he does And obviously he loves Charlie Taylor too Jesus I can't even find Warfield On the list of receptions

Yeah I mean He does not have again But But But you know In terms of the eye test The best Yeah

You know You're gonna have to make your case someday the people who are looking at John Elway's numbers and saying, what are you talking about? He's lucky to be in the top 10. Yeah. I think getting back to Julio Jones, the bottom line is like, you know, after Jerry Rice and Randy Moss, who I would have as the number two receiver of all time, I don't care what you think about Randy.

Randy Moss was just exceptional. I can't speak to guys like Don Hudson. I can't even really speak to guys like Lance Allworth, who my father loved and swears by. You know, T.O. is definitely in the conversation. Warfield, I will concede, he's in the conversation. But, like, when you start looking at the list of, like, the greatest, you know, past catchers in era obviously matters, you know, there are a lot of guys that are in the Hall of Fame like Marvin Harrison and Chris Carter and Tim Brown. I'm sorry, Julio Jones is a better receiver than Isaac Bruce or any of the guys that I just mentioned.

And so he's better than Art Monk ever was. And that's hard for me to say, obviously. He's better than Andre Reid, who got into the Hall of Fame. James Lofton. Lofton was really talented. But anyway, I think I would consider doing it. You'd have to really feel comfortable about his injury and about what he's going to be post-32. but there are plenty of examples of receivers who have been really good post, you know, post 32 years old.

The other thing, too, it led to this morning was just a conversation of where he is right now in the game. He's top two or three. I mean, Tariq Hill, Devante Adams, Julio Jones, and personally, I think I would probably include D'Andre Hopkins in that conversation. It's funny, when you start looking at the receivers, there are like 15 receivers that are all, like, you know, very much in the conversation. for top five guys. There's so many good ones. And then that leads to, well, where does Terry McClorin, you know, where is he on that list? I can come up with 14, 15 guys that I would take over Terry McLaurin right now.

It doesn't mean that I'll feel that way in two or three years. I think he's really good. But, you know, there's some really good young receivers that you would take in front of Terry McLaren. You'd take A.J. Brown in front of Terry McLaren. You would take Justin Jefferson in front of Terry McLorn. I think I'd take Calvin Ridley in front of McLaren. I think Ridley is very underrated. I'm going to throw a name out there. I'm going to throw a name out there, a white guy who, when he retired, was the all-time leader in past receptions and yards. And I'm not saying he's the greatest.

Yes. And if you look at the top 40 list right now of the greatest receivers in terms of yards, total yardage, Don Maynard is on there as number 30. But in that top 40, of players, those who stopped playing, none are within 13 years of when Don Maynard stopped playing. Wow. In other words, he stopped playing in 1973, and he's number 30 on this list. There's nobody in the top 40 within 13 years of him.

Do you know who passed him on the all-time receptions list? Was it Art Monk? No. No, who? Charlie Taylor. Charlie Taylor passed Don Maynard on the all-time receptions list in the moment in 1975, I think it was. And then Charlie Joyner passed Charlie Taylor. Charlie Joyner is the closest one to Don Maynard in terms of when he stopped playing.

He stopped playing in 1986. Right. And he's 25th on the yardage. list on the yardage list. Where is he on the reception list? I don't know. I'd have to find the reception list. You're asking me for a lot of research and I don't get paid for that. Anyway, all right.

Got a couple more things to get to. We'll do that right after this word from one of our sponsors. Tommy's got a personal dilemma that he wants to talk about. We are going to get to Mare of East Town, episode six, which we both watched on Sunday night. Aaron Rogers did an interview with Kenny Maine yesterday that I actually read about and then listened to a lot of the sound this morning on the show that my producer Brendan cut up and put together. I'm not sure how much was learned from Aaron Rogers on this whole thing. There's no doubt I take him at his word where he said Jordan loves a great kid and he said it's not about him. And why would it?

Like Aaron Rogers is smart enough to understand that Jordan Love didn't draft himself. He's there because the Packers traded up and drafted for him. And he says, I love Jordan. He's a great kid. The one thing he said, and I don't know if you listened to the interviewer, read any of the things. Basically, he kept talking about sort of, you know, what makes a great organization. The people make a great organization. But what he was really referring to is the players make a great organization, not front office management people.

Like the general manager, Ryan Guttenkundst, you know, the guy that clearly I think he has targeted. That's, I think that that's the guy. Like, if you read between the lines in this interview and then you follow the reporting, like he wants this guy gone. And if that guy's gone, maybe he'll come back. He did not show up for the first day of OTAs. Did you read any of this, or did you listen to it and did you think anything was learned?

No, I did not. I read some headlines. That was it. Yeah. Weird situation, man. It's Aaron Rogers. Just would be amazing if he got traded. All right.

What's your personal dilemma? Well, you know, we have this thing we do every year called Bumstock. It's an annual get-together of friends that I grew up with in the Poconos, hosted by a good friend of mine who owns a farm. And we've been doing it since 1993. Right. And it's a lot of fun. And in the early days, there were raucous times that involved wrecked vehicles and and, uh, yeah, tents floating in the water. A tent floating in the water. Wow. Yeah, all kinds of wild stuff. Yeah. Now, not so much, but still a lot of fun. Well, we didn't have it last year because of COVID. And I was counting on having it this year. but the host can't do it this year.

And the reason I was counting on it is because this is the 50th anniversary of my high school graduating class. So you were going to go up there and kill two birds with one stone? That was the idea was I was thinking that, you see, I was vice president of my senior class. Really? Yes, I was. You've never told me that. Yeah. And I'm purely because I was a clown, not because I had any particular act.

or I was some kind of leader, but I could make people laugh. So they elected me vice president. Were you a part of your high school newspaper? Yes, I was. Were you like the head of your high school newspaper? No, no, I just wrote about sports. Okay, well, I mean, you weren't that much of a clown. And make no mistake about it.

I was a major league screw up in high school. Okay. I mean, I barely got out. My average was like 72. Okay. when I graduated, okay? So I barely got out of high school. I was a major screw up.

But like I said, I was worth a laugh, so they made me vice president. Well, the president has since then. Let's put Laverro on the ballot for VP and see if we can get them elected, like a bunch of your friends. Like it was a goof. Yeah, something like that. So what kind of vice president of your high school senior class were you? Well, I mean, I thought I was pretty good. I never got arrested or anything like that.

That's good. So I thought I was okay. Well, you know, with a class reunion, it generally falls to the class officers to try to organize something like this. And the senior class president has since passed on, which puts me kind of in charge. Oh, my God, you're not good at organizing things like this. Oh, actually, I'm very good at organizing. I mean, the thing that you do for the D.C. Graze is phenomenal. But you've got to have passion for it.

Back in the Poconos, I once put on a benefit concert for a charity with 15 bands. Really? So, yes. So I'm pretty good at this. But, you know, I don't have the, I don't have the desire as much anymore. But I feel the need and the obligation to now organize a class for you. When was the last reunion? Well, in, you know, five years ago, but they were very loose.

For the past two or three, basically what we've done is, and they have them every five years, is get together at a bar. Very loose. You know, it worked great. But people expect more from the 50th. Of course. It's a bigger deal. How big was your graduating class? It was only 165 kids.

How many people are left? I don't know. Okay. I don't know how many of your left. Right. So, obviously the class president isn't around. Are you going to put this together or not? Yeah, I've got to, I've got to do it.

I think you should. I've got to find a place to rent. Right. And then I've got to deal with getting people to send in their money for something like this. Why don't you put somebody in charge of that? Why don't you find the venue? Get the list, mail it out, pick the money. the date and they get somebody to handle all of the, uh, because you're not, you're not very good with

money or numbers. I'm not very good with money. Get somebody, get somebody who do you have, do you have any close friends from that high school class that you still spend time? Oh yes, absolutely. That's part of the thing about bump stock is we're still all very close. Right. Okay. So somebody will help you with that. Yeah, you're right. You're right. That's the thing I dread the most is, is a 50th class reunion where I've rented this hall and 20 people show up, you know? Right. Well, I mean, you have to, obviously, you've got to get a head count. You know, you have to have a deadline on what the head count is.

Or I could just blow it off. Yeah, but it's the 50th. And so I think the 50th is significant for high school and for certainly, you know, for high school, especially 50th. And these are your formative years. These are the people you spent so much time with. And so many of them are still your friends. Has anybody reached out to you at this point with the expectation of a 50th high school reunion?

And an understanding that the guy that would have put it together is no longer with us, making you the guy that should be in charge of it. Kind of, yeah. Who? Well, some couple of women in the class. Oh, what are their names? Mani Mo and Jack. Tell me who reached out.

And are these former girlfriends or former friends or you remember these people? Yes. I remember everybody I went to high school with. I didn't go again, 165 in the class. I had a massive high school graduating class. I mean, you know, I could certainly rip off a lot of names, but I couldn't rip off all of them. You know, it's so funny, Tommy, I can tell you, and this goes for almost anybody, I'm sure, from, you know, a big graduating. high school class. Hey, do you know such and such he was in your high school class? Nope. Don't even

remember the name. Can't even tell you that I remember the name. But with 160 or 150, you had to know all. You knew them all. Yeah. Definitely. So you think I should follow them on my office. I think it's your responsibility. And I think it's the 50th. If this were like, that's not the answer I expected from you. Really? I thought you'd say I'd blow it off. No, no, no, it's 50th. And I, you know, I think you can turn it into a great night, too. I think people expect something for the 50th.

And there's also another obligation that in light of COVID, people seem, people, I think, put more value on past relationships. Yes, great point. I mean, it's a lot of things have become much more meaningful in the last. year in relationships and lifelong relationships and you know look let's face it no no offense but this may this could be the last one I mean the next big one any of your reunions uh the very first one um I have not been to the last couple and I'll tell you the last one was a few years ago and I just didn't want to go don't ask me why because I'm going to get into a long answer that I don't want to

give. But on my street is a family with a daughter who was in my high school class. Actually, we go back to, you know, first grade together. And her parents still live on the street that I live on. And actually, Mr. And he listens to the podcast. And Tom, you know who I'm talking about. He's one of my favorite people in the world. And they're such a great family. Anyway, the last reunion, his daughter, Lisa came into town. And there were a bunch of people that got together at her house. And I want went down there and hung out with them for a little while. I just didn't want to go. Plus, a lot of my really close friends weren't in town for it.

And so I just sort of didn't want to go. But I went to like the first two. I don't think I've been to the last year. So what year did you graduate? But what I wanted to say to you, Tommy, is 50 is a big deal. And you are the guy responsible for it. And I think that the next big one is 75. And I hope you're around for that one to put it together.

Because if you are around for the next one at 75, and you should be around at your, you should be around for 25 more years. I have full confidence in that. You have a lot of optimism, but this will be, you'll still be the top man on this one. So, but not everybody's going to be there. Put it together. Do you have a place in mind? You have to have a couple of places in mind, right? I have a couple of places in mind.

Yeah. But I haven't even begun to make the calls or explore. I'm looking for somebody to talk me out of it. And like usual, you've disappointed me. I'm sorry because I think that this is something that you should do. And I think you're going to absolutely be glad that you did it. You know, let's, by the way, the hit rate on most of these things, I remember somebody mentioning to me, like, you know, when you get to, like, the 30th,

like the hit rate is like 30, like 30 percent is a really good hit rate. So if you get 30 percent, if you can get 45 to 50 percent, people there? That's good. That'd be awesome. We would get that many to show up for our bar events. By the way, what happened to Wyoming? Wyoming just kind of fell by the way. I mean, I

kind of dropped out. I mean, part of the reason was you know, I dropped out in 2012 because, you know, that was the year of RG3 and I couldn't really take off you know

to go out of town. on a Washington football weekend anymore can say they had suddenly become relevant. Right. And in 2012. God, you loved that Wyoming for a few years. Oh, that was great. That was great. All these sports writers and people in the baseball business get together for a football game and Laramie and a lot of drinking and hell raising.

Stan Kasten went on Wyoming once. I remember that. All right, let's finish up because I am playing golf today and very excited to play golf today. Good for you. Say hi to everybody. With Steve Buckhance, Ernie Bauer, and Joe Yashroff. The four of us have been meaning and been trying to do this for a few years. Obviously, the last year, not a lot of opportunities to do it. So the four of us are going to play golf today and probably laugh a lot because we all work together.

And way back when and some of the stories. are not for this air, but they will be rehashed today for about the 58th time. Let's real quickly finish up. What did you think of Marevistown, episode six? And do you have any idea who killed Aaron? Well, I liked it a lot. I really enjoyed it. And I mean, my impression is the kid, the boyfriend.

Dylan? You know, yeah. that is the one now who killed him based on what happened at the police station. My one aggravation with it was this police chief had just again bent over backwards to take this woman back on the force. Right. I mean, she should have been off the force a couple of times, you know, and bent over his hands of her badge after doing what she did. And I mean, obviously she saved the, you know, the kids who were who were being held hostage. But she went against all protocol and orders and doing it.

You know, her detective partner wound up getting killed. How about that? But he says here with Colin. Here you go. Yeah. Here you go back. You know, here's your badge back. And how does she repay him when he caught, when he talks to her on the phone when she's driving?

And he says, pull over and wait for backup. She throws the phone down. And floors it. Yes. So. That aggravated me. Other than that, I love the episode. So spoiler alert, a little bit late to say that for anybody that's watching this show that hasn't gotten to episode six yet.

We are going to talk about this for another couple of minutes. Last week I told you that I thought, I just had this weird feeling that Julianne Nicholson, who plays Maher's best friend, Lori, that she, could be the one. Like her name is second on the billing and she had been sort of an insignificant character and that she was going to become a, and I gave you the theory that maybe her husband was the father of Aaron's baby and people were going to find it out. Maybe she killed Aaron. Well, that, I thought that was a good theory. Well, that's that theory shot. She's not the killer. You know, they led you to believe in episode five that Billy, you know, who is the brother-in-law of Lori and John's brother that, you know, he could be it. And then he confessed during the show

on Friday night. So we have somebody who's confessed to it. Yes. But then we have the twist at the end, whereas you mentioned the police chief is telling her after he gets this call, like, oh my God, you know, there's a new twist. So who is it? If it's not Billy. Here's my theory. I think it's John. I think it's Billy's brother, John, Lori. husband who was, you know, cheating on her, the son, you know, for the second time. That's why he's out of the house. That's why we found out from their father that Billy came in the night of Aaron's murder covered in blood as he was in the laundry room. And I think somehow, because we've already established that Billy is a drunk, Billy's hammered all the time, that somehow John is the

father of that child, and John is the murderer. And John, some of the while Billy was completely hammered and fucked up, you know, covered him in blood in the whole thing. And who knows what's going to happen on this fishing trip. But I don't think it's Dylan. I mean, the whole Dylan thing is weird. Tommy, this show is very good, but it's very busy. By the way, I'm going to give you one other person who you mentioned last week, who I think is still a possibility, how he gets tied into it. I don't know. The, the show. show is just, it's got so much going on, almost too much going on. I agree.

Like now we have the daughter who's now becoming a stalker of her lover. And, you know, and that's a weird sort of sidebar to the whole thing. And I don't think it plays into the murder of Aaron. We've got the Dylan thing with Aaron's best friend. We don't know where Aaron's best friend fits into all of this. She took that one thing from the journal. and kept it. But let me work back to the other person who it's not going to floor me if it turns out to be him. I just don't know how they would make it be him. But, you know, Richard, you know,

her boyfriend, you know, mayor is sort of, you know, the guy that she's gone on a few dates with, who was missing entirely from episode five, who comes back into this episode. By the way, Brendan, my producer said, you know, he gave me the ob. odds. Billy's the favorite as the murderer. John is the second favorite, you know, which is sort of my theory. Dylan is the third pick. And then Richard is actually the fourth pick, the odds on the murderer of Aaron. Now, how would they tie him into this? See, I would think that they'd have to twist the story so bizarrely to get him to be the murderer that it would be disingenuous and not credible.

I agree with that. I don't know how they would do it. But, you know, he's the one right now that maybe people are thinking about, but there's no reason you'd be thinking about him unless you're just a contrarian on this whole thing. I think it's going to be Lori's husband, John. And I think somehow he set Billy up to confess or take the fall or something. That would explain the gun in the tackle box. Right.

Who put the gun in the tackle box? We think John put the gun there and Billy saw that it was in there. Right. That's what we think, right? Yeah. But Billy is the one that everybody says Aaron spent the time, you know, lived with him. Remember from the last week's episode. and when they were on this family reunion,

which must have been a hoot. In the Poconos, buddy. Yeah, I know. Up there, and the Poconos, that Aaron was staying in his cabin or whatever, or tent or whatever it was. It's a really good show. I mean, I like it.

I'm looking forward to it. I like it. I mean, I know we've had this conversation before. Bosch puts it the same. I know. You told me that. Yeah. I have a feeling it could be one of those where a week from today when we're talking about it, we're going to say, oh God, it could have gone on two or three more episode. They wrapped it up so quickly, so sloppily.

You know, it's like the way I felt about the final season of Game of Thrones. I loved it, but it was way too condensed. They sped up too many storylines where they were just not even believable. And I think that, you know, if Richard ends up, up being the murderer, what you said, they'd have to concoct something that would just seem completely ridiculous. By the way, I don't, I don't think it's, I certainly don't think it's the priest. Maybe it's the other deacon, the one, you know, who's a family friend, and I don't think it's Lori anymore. And my sense of it is it's not Dylan. I don't think it is him. But Dylan did something he's covering up. No doubt. He did something. He did something. he's covering up. Could have been anything. Could have been a relationship with, you know, that girl.

Maybe that's, you know, and he didn't want, he didn't want his new, you know, angry girlfriend to know about it. Oh, she's, she's quite a character. By the way, the scene where mayor goes to Collins' mother's house. Oof, that was brutal. You know what that was? I knew that was common. Of course you did. You know what that's similar to? Chief Brody, you know, going up to the woman all dressed in black who said, son died with the shark attack and he knew that the shark was still out there and he gets slapped right there on the beach you know that really gets chief brodie thinking Tommy I got to make sure these beaches are closed and we got to go find that shark even though I hate well a jaws reference that's so great and and Matt hooper aka Richard Dreyfus is sitting there watching the whole thing

I think my favorite thing from Jaws is when um you know people are are drawing pictures to represent the shark and and Hooper comes around and goes, no, no, it's much bigger than that. Or the line is, yeah, they're all laughing at it, but they're all going to die. Was that Richard Dreyfuss's first movie? No, no, he was in a couple. Look, he was in America's?

Oh, American? Yeah, right. What do you call? American graffiti? American graffiti, yeah. Yeah, and he was in a few others. You know, actually, he was in the graduate. he was he had a very small speaking role where he said do you want me to call the police when Dustin Hoffman was was in the boarding room making a lot of a boarding house causing a ruckus

and Norman fell was his landlord and everyone went running into the room Norman fell from three's company yeah he was the landlord and Dustin and Richard Dreyfus says do you want me to call the police right So, was Anne Bancroft hot? Yes. And you know what made her hot? She was hot and she could,

she could make one eye move. What? No, it's like she could look at you with one eye and make the other eye cross-eye. Hmm. Okay. That's what made her super hot.

And she was married to Mel Brooks. Right. All right. Are we done? We didn't talk about the Wizards today. I don't think anybody cares. I will talk about them tomorrow as they prepare. Did you want to say anything about the Wizards in their game one loss? No, except that Joel M. B. almost kicked the game to them. I mean, you know, I mean, everyone faunts about how great that guy is. I saw him with like less than two minutes left, shoot like a long jumper with 20 seconds left on the shot clock, and then wind up kicking the rebound. out of bounds. He was not, he's not an impressive figure to me, but that it's the NBA. It all sucks. Joel Embed is really good, but the play you're talking about, I think, is when they should have burned the shot clock down, the Wizards were, for whatever reason, choosing not to foul in that spot. And he dribbled the ball right off of his leg, which was kind of stupid. And then,

look, the Wizards, they're not the highest IQ team on the planet either. That's for sure. All right, we're done for the day back tomorrow.