The Kevin Sheehan Show - Kareem Hunt To Washington?

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

Kevin today opened with thoughts on the Josina Anderson's report that Washington is interested in RB Kareem Hunt. Plenty on the chances for Washington to land "Hard Knocks" too. Bobby Marks/ESPN jumped on to talk Bradley Beal trade prospects. More on Washington draft day steals to finish up.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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My Booky's got everything. They've got a sports book. They've got a live casino. They've got a race book. They've got all of their NFL. preseason prop bets up. And they just recently put up the odds for offensive player of the year in the NFL in 2023 and defensive player of the year in the NFL in 2023. And something stood out to me when I was looking at the defensive player of the year odds on my bookie.

I started scrolling down the list of 109 players that they have listed with odds. to win the defensive player of the year. And I was looking for John Allen's name. You know, where does John Allen pop up? Maybe Duran Payne will be on this list. What are his odds? Now, the favorite is Micah Parsons at plus 650, followed by Miles Garrett at plus 700,

T.J. Watt at plus 800, and Nick Bosa at plus 1,000. Those are the four favorites, if you will. Micah Parsons, the favorite, followed by Garrett, T.J. Watt, and Nick Bosa. I didn't have to get that far down the list before seeing the first Washington Commander's defensive player on this list. And it was Chase Young at plus 5,000.

He was the 16th player on a list of 107 players listed with odds to win defensive player of the year. Chase Young was the first Washington defensive player listed on. this odds board. John Allen's much further down the list at plus 20,000. So he's 200 to 1, Chase Young is 50 to 1. No other Washington commander defensive player, no Montez-Swet, no Duran Payne, no Cameron Curl on the list. Now, I thought about it, even though it was surprising when I first saw it. And it makes sense. If you're talking about it, you're talking, about defensive player of the year, you've got to have somebody like Chase Young on Washington's

roster have the best odds, because he has the best odds of having a year that would be defensive player of the year worthy. He has that kind of talent. Actually, followed by Montez-Swett. Second, you know, John Allen, Montez-Swett, and Duran Payne's odds to be pro-bowers or to be be all pros are probably higher and should be higher than Chase Young's odds. But for a defensive player of the year, you've got to be a major havoc wreaker. You've got to wreck games consistently the way Nick Bosa and Miles Garrett and Micah Parsons and T.J. Watt have the capability of doing. I mean, the first D-tackle on this list is Aaron Donald that plus 2,000 were 20 to 1. There are many more pass rushers and even D-Bs that are on this list than defensive tackles.

So it does kind of make sense to a certain degree that Chase Young has basically four times better the odds than John Allen does. even though it's very possible that, you know, he won't produce anything this year. MyBooky.com, mybooky.ag, use my promo code, Kevin, D.C. One guest on this show today, Bobby Marks, who's been working for ESPN as an ESPN NBA front office insider for five or six years now, will be on the show in the next segment to discuss the Bradley Beale trade. scenarios and everything related to Bradley Beale and what the wizards I think are attempting to do, which is to trade him. Bobby Mark's coming up in the next segment. But before we get to that, I wanted to read this tweet from Josina Anderson, longtime NFL reporter. She put this out last night.

Josina Anderson's had a lot on Washington over the years. I don't have a scorecard on Josina Anderson, how much she's gotten it right and how much she's gotten it wrong. But she tweeted out the following last night, quote, I'm told that the commanders have quietly been making some preliminary inquiries behind the scenes on free agent running back, Karim Hunt, per league source. We'll see if this leads to an opportunity for Hunt with Washington. Washington. Closed quote. I read this last night and I, you know, immediately thought about the ties with

Eric B. Anami back in Kansas City when Kareem Hunt was drafted by the Chiefs and played for the chiefs for a couple of years before he got in trouble and then obviously ended up in Cleveland, where he's, you know, been basically behind Nick Chubb for the last four years. He turns 28 in August he's a free agent and there hasn't been a lot of interest. Look, the running back's out there. Fournette's still out there. Zieg's still out there. The running back position obviously has become a position that's not sought after really anymore.

It's become a bit of a commodity position. Saquine Barclays having the issues trying to get a long-term deal out of the Giants, etc. But anyway, I just didn't buy it when I read. Reddit. They don't need Kareem Hunt. Everything that's been coming out of Ashburn over the last month, OTAs and Minicamp, you know, their first real work together, the first real reactions we're getting from Eric Bianamy, both, you know, on the record and off, is that they love Antonio Gibson, which makes me happy because I love Antonio Gibson as well. I mean, Ron Rivera said recently,

he can't wait to see the mismatches that Eric Biennami's offense creates for Antonio Gibson against opposing defenses. They also have Brian Robinson Jr. They drafted Chris Rodriguez. But Brian Robinson Jr. is going to be the heavy bell cow between the tackles guy, and they've got Antonio Gibson. They also have Jonathan Williams, who they've liked, but I don't know what Eric Beaniemi thinks of Jonathan Williams. I just don't think they need Kareem Hunt. He actually didn't look that great last year. Chubb looks great. He played in 17 games last year, all 17 games. He did total close to 700 yards from scrimmage. He also averaged a career low 3.8 yards per carry. You know, one of the reasons they're not re-signing Kareem Hunt in

Cleveland is because they believe, I think they believe that his skill set may be diminishing. So I just don't see this. I don't see this developing personally. You know, unless Eric B. Enemy just really is super close and really a big time believer and wants to give Hunt a shot if no one else gives Hunt a shot. maybe that's the opportunity shortly before training camp you know no one has signed kareem hunt he's hanging out there with nobody nowhere to go and you know uh eric bianemy throws him a bone but i don't think they should be doing that look i i think this roster the biggest needs are at quarterback sorry

um at offensive line and to me if you are really going to look at available free agents that, you know, are still out there because there isn't a lot with respect to the offensive line available. We know they're not making, you know, a quarterback move. But I know I've talked about this before, but to me a guy like Unique and Gokwe, who's had two really good years back to back, I still believe Washington could, you know, use a pass rushing specialist in the event that Chase Young isn't the Chase Young that we're all. hoping we'll see. I know they drafted two players in the fifth and seventh round,

but in Gokwe's probably going to get like a one-year, $5, $6, $7 million heavily incentive-based contract. It's not going to be a big deal. I don't think, you know, running back is a need. And by the way, if you really were thinking running back, and I understand Kareem Hunt is going to be a fraction of the cost of doubt, But if you really felt you had a need for running back, I'd be looking at Dalvin Cook. Not Kareem Hunt necessarily, but I wouldn't be looking at Dalvin Cook either.

I'm not going to spend that kind of money, and maybe Miami will, or maybe someone else will. I just don't think they need a running back. And I don't think that this will happen. I'm, you know, I could be wrong. Certainly been wrong before. And Josina Anderson, again, is, you know, a respected NFL reporter. but that one is a surprise or would be a surprise to me. I just don't see a running back as a need at all.

I also wanted to get to this hard knocks situation because they're coming down to the finish line on picking the team that's going to appear on HBO's Hard Knocks this summer. And I know we talked a little bit about it yesterday. Tommy and I did. Maybe some of you are following this story, but there was actually some reporting yesterday that the long.

who were last summer's hard knocks team that the NFL reached out to them to see if they do it for a second consecutive season because apparently the NFL is struggling to find a team willing to do it this year. Now the rules related to participating on this show are pretty easy. Basically, the league can ask anybody they want to be on the show, but you can say no and the league has to accept no if one of the following three criteria apply to your team. Number one, you've got a first year head coach. Number two, you've been to the playoffs the last two years. Or number three, you've appeared on hard knocks within the past 10 years. If any one of those three apply to your team, you can say no and the league can't force you to do it. Now, there are four

teams that don't fit any of those three criteria right now. The four teams are Chicago, the Saints, the Jets, and Washington. So again, they can ask any team, but the four teams that can't say no and have to do it if they're asked to do it are Chicago, New Orleans, the Jets, and Washington. They asked Detroit for a second straight year, which tells you that of those four teams, they either asked and the four teams didn't want to do it and they didn't want to force the four teams to do it, or perhaps they asked three of the teams, and those three teams said they didn't want to do it. Because there has been reporting that Chicago, New Orleans, and the Jets have all said they don't want to do it. The Jets seem the most obvious to me because of Aaron Rogers.

That's probably the team that most NFL fans would love to watch. Aaron Rogers, new surrounding. Fans don't care about ownership changes when it's not their own. They care about, you know, players and coaches and teams. But I wonder whether or not Washington's even been asked. Because maybe the league's looking at Washington thinking, and I would kind of think this as well, it's kind of awkward to ask Washington

while they're going through this ownership change. Remember, we had the reporting from Ben Fisher from the Sports Business Journal earlier this week that July 20th and August 8th are dates in which the owners are being asked to be available for a potential vote on ratifying Josh Harris as Washington's new owner. Well, if it's August 8th,

I mean, that's right in the middle of this hard. Hard Knock show. But Michael Phillips had some reporting on this. Michael Phillips, Richmond Times Dispatch Michael Phillips. And he reported that, you know, the league's, you know, struggling to find volunteers to do this. And, you know, he writes, you know, the Bears, Jets, Saints, and Washington are the four teams that can't say no. And he writes, would Washington have any interest in the show? It depends on who you ask.

Coach Ron Rivera has long been opposed to inviting cameras into the team facility. Now, we've seen a lot of cameras, their own cameras, in the team facility here recently with some of the videos that have been produced, like the video, the 21-minute video, on the first round of the draft. But apparently, Ron had NFL films shadowing his team in 2018, not for hard knocks, but for another show that I think appeared on Showtime. and the Richmond Times Dispatch and Michael Phillips asked Ron about hard knocks back in 2020 when he got the job. And he said, some guys became part of the show instead of focusing on what they had to focus on.

So personally, I wouldn't do it again. So Ron, at least a few years ago, was opposed to doing this. However, in Michael Phillips' story, Jason Wright, quote on a recent appearance on a recent appearance on, a podcast, I think it would be great for us because it would give the entire public an opportunity to see the organization that we've become, to see the culture that's been built by Ron and that team, to see the quality of guys we have, to see the phenomenal coaches we have, to highlight Eric B. Enemy and what he brings. I think it could shed a lot of light on new ownership, the way that they're going to lead, the way they're going to engage the community. I actually think

there's probably no better fit than us for the preseason hard knocks. closed quote. So Michael's painting the picture in the Richmond Times Dispatch of, you know, kind of Ron not wanting it and Jason wanting it. I don't know if Ron doesn't want it anymore, but Ron didn't want it back in 2020. Ron's, you know, gotten pretty chatty here in recent years. He may want this. He may want the new owners to see, you know, what's going on behind closed doors before they

take over the team, you know, in August 8th or August 9th or whatever. Maybe it's before that. But, you know, most coaches don't want this. They don't want it because at minimum, it's, you know, it can be disruptive. Maybe not massively disruptive, but, you know, with cameras there and a show going on, you're trying to get ready for a season. Most coaches, most teams do not want this. All right, but at the same time, I can see why Jason Wright,

and I'm not being cynical here, based on just kind of the idea that Jason Wright wants to you know, shed light on this incredible organization that they've become. No, it's not that, really. It might be that. But I would say that anybody, you know, that's tasked with, you know, revenue and increasing revenue would probably want this because, you know, they're going to get a big bump out of Dan Snyder selling the team to begin with. But, you know, the editing, you know, typically makes these teams look fun and exciting and much better than that. they really are. And so new ticket sales, new corporate sponsors, hey, check out hard knocks. So I can see why they may want it. But to me, at the end of the day, I want this to be about football.

I think all of you do too. And I also just think, you know, Josh Harris is going to have some big decisions when he comes in as the new owner. And some of those decisions may not be pleasant. I just think it would be awkward. I think it's one of the reasons Washington hasn't been given it been given hard knocks already. You know, the other three teams have publicly said no. I think the league would rather this sale go down. And by the way, everything having to do with a lot of different things involving the league that may come up, these investigations that are ongoing, the Dan exit.

I don't think the league wants that. So I don't think Washington's going to get hard knocks. I think they're going to have to either just pick one. of the other teams and tell them, sorry, these are the rules you can't say no, or find a team that can say no that wants to say yes. I just think my guess, my guess right now is that it's not Washington this summer. And again, I think the biggest draw for the show would be the Jets, not Washington. All right, up next, Bobby Marks, talking Bradley Beale, right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, joining us on the podcast right now.

is Bobby Marks. Bobby worked in the NBA for 20 years, last five as an assistant GM in Brooklyn, and he has been an outstanding analyst and NBA front office insider for ESPN now for several years. You can follow Bobby on Twitter at Bobby Marks 42. So let's talk about Bradley Beale. What's the best the Wizards can hope for in a trade for Bradley Beale? I think probably the best is a combination of probably expiring contracts or, you know, a young player, you know, that's just starting a rookie extension. And hopefully you can get a, you know, first round pick out of this. I think, you know, it's, you know, as you've talked about, I'm sure at length, it's just the challenge is moving 200.

$106 million, $207 million in this economics of a new collective bargaining agreement that makes the rules very strict to go out and be able to do that. And then factor, and, of course, the no trade clause where basically he dictates, you know, basically he dictates the terms here. I think the heat, of course, probably had the best package that anyone can offer as far as if it's centered around Tyler Hero and a first and whatever salary you fill in there here. But I think you're not getting, you know, you're not getting three number ones and, you know, and pick swaps and a book.

load of young players here. You're not getting what Utah got for, you know, Donovan Mitchell or Rudy Gobert here. So I think realistically, it's, you know, certainly if, you know, if you're looking for a reset, you're probably looking to try to get expiring contracts here, and hopefully you can kind of recoup a pick. And, you know, hopefully also, you know, you get some type of young player out of this. So, I mean, the Miami scenario that you described might be the best, you know, deal for them. A Tyler Hero plus a pick. some expiring contracts. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah. I mean, if that's, I think the big thing is, like, who are the team? Right? Like, if he said, if he gives you 10 teams, then that maybe changes the dynamics and everything. But if it's certainly Miami and maybe two or three teams, that's the best deal because Hero is probably the best player out there that you potentially could acquire. Now, the question is, is there an appetite for the heat to add that salary when you

already have out of bio and, you know, Jimmy Butler here? I think they're the one team that can do it based on even with these new rules because, you know, their ability to go out and find players to, you know, build their back end of their roster with here. But, yeah, I do think Miami, at least right now probably would have the best package. How do you evaluate Bradley Beale as a player right now in his career? Yeah, I mean, I think he's probably similar to where Joe Johnson was back in 2000. And we traded for Joe back in 2012. He's probably the second best player on a good team. I don't think he's a franchise player.

I don't think he's a player you build a roster around. But I think he can be a really good, you know, really good complimentary player, but he's a complimentary player on a guy making me of $50 million per year here. So, you know, he's not for everyone based on that number, but I do think he can come in. And I think he can, you know, I think that he would have loved to have him in the Denver series.

You know, I think they would have, you know, I think, you know, I don't know if they would have won it, but I think he would have been a difference maker here. The big thing is, can you stay healthy? You know, that's the big question as far as his inability to kind of stay healthy the last couple years. Is there any case you could make for the Wizards if they, you know, first of all, do you agree that the no trade clause was one of the silliest things as part of the Super Max extension? Like, they didn't have to give them that. no they didn't and I mean you ask yourself who are you bidding again right I think if that was a deal breaker there was no market really for Bradley Pee unless it was going to be in a sign and trade here and you had the ability to give them basically $50 million more than any on the other team I think yeah that's you know

I think the understanding was certainly when you did it that if anything you know if there was a point where both sides wanted to move on that each side would work with it. Similar probably what you would see in Portland, where Damien Liller doesn't have a no trade clause, but he technically does, because based on the equity that that player has built with that organization here, now it just restricts you here because you might not get the best-best trade

that pack. You know, let's say, for example, Sacramento wants to come in an offer, two number ones and Kevin Herder and, you know, salary cap filler and stuff, and that might be the best for the organization moving on. He doesn't want to go to Sacramento. So that's where it basically kind of hurts you here. But yeah, he's the only guy.

There's a reason why he's the only guy in the NBA that has one, right? I think there's a, you know, there's got to be kind of a little bit of a give and take, but he has one. Now you have to figure out, you know, kind of what, you know, what direction you go, you know, from an organization. You mentioned Portland. Let's just say that he said okay to Portland to play with Damien Lillard. Is there a deal where you could potentially,

get number three overall for Beale in the number eight pick? No. Okay. Why? I don't see it. I don't see, I don't see the, you know, the, now if you said to me, can you do Anthony Simons and Joseph Nerkich, then you possibly could if that's what they want to do. I don't know what that, you know, those numbers do for you with three years on both guys. I just don't see Bradley Beal the value of, of, you know, Portland flopping five spots to go to three for Beal. I, I mean, I could change, but I just don't that right now. What was the best they could have ever done two years ago, a year and a half ago, a year ago for Beale? That's a good question. I mean, he wasn't on this contract and he didn't

have no trade clause. I think it's dependent on, you know, where the market was, and there was a lot more teams that had draft picks. That's the problem here is that the window that, if you wanted to maximize, probably closed a year or two ago, where now you saw, you know, whether it been, you know, Brooklyn or Phoenix or Cleveland or Minnesota, things like that that are really limited with Atlanta limited with drafted assets. And then as I mentioned, you know, the new collective bargaining agreement does not help when you're trying to move one of these big numbers. Is there any case you could make if you were the wizards? I think there's risk in this and the risk is injury that you could potentially get a lot more at the trade deadline next year.

Yeah, I mean, you always, you always, you know, say that. as far as there's always going to be a team desperate with injuries here. You know, the set that will be a little bit more easier to do because more players will be under contract and you can move money here. I would just say if the goal is to move Bradley Beal, you have a one-year window to do it. That's how I look at it just based on the rules that are going to come in place next off-season basically eliminates the Miami Heat

from a team going out to require Bradley Beal because you're not going to be able to aggregate money to take back a player. So that's the timeline here. So, yeah, you could say, you know what, we're going to wait and see here. We're going to see what the options are at the trade deadline. Maybe there's a team that's hovering around 500, and they see that he's a difference maker, and they're willing to give you more than what they're willing to do right now. I think from Beale's perspective, it makes, you know, nobody likes to move, you know,

during the regular season, certainly here, and it has to, be certainly the right fit for him. I'm assuming that the answer to this is yes, but I'm going to ask it anyway, because as you've been talking, I haven't asked you this question, and that is you do think it's the right thing for them to trade Bradley Beale and move on.

I do. I do. I think the days of trying to hang around 36 wins and getting in, I think are over in Washington. I think you would have more of a argument with hanging on to him if this was a team that was the four seat or the fifth seat. And Michael Winger came in and said, you know what? We're going to take a major step back.

I'm like, wait a minute, you're trading our best player. That's not the case here. I mean, this is a team that's been fighting just to get into the playing spot. When you bring in a new front office, there's some type of reset here. And it's a lot different than what happened in Utah. Utah went from basically the number one seat to what the number four seed, and then they basically had a reset, but still kind of, hung around the middle here and picked up a boatload of draft picks.

I think for the wizard, it's probably going to take a major step back. And I think people, as long as you know there's a plan at the end and there's, you know, then a lot of it will be depending on what happens, you know, certainly with Porzingis and Kuzma. I think this is the right thing for the organization here is, you know, to take a step back. So if Porzingis and Kuzma both, you know, opt out, which I think will happen, should they- don't know about one. I, poor thing this is interesting. You know, if you're, if you're going to opt out of $36 million, two things have to happen. Either you got a side deal with the Wizards on an extension, or you have a home. And I don't know if there's a team out there that's willing

to give him $36 million on the open market right now, unless it's a lower number with more years to do it. Yeah. I agree with you, by the way. Somebody had mentioned to me on the radio show that they were convinced that he would opt out. And to me, the only way he opts out if it's, you know, two years for 60 or something like that, where he's got more guaranteed money. But with respect to Porzingis, he's the one, Bobby, for me, that has the massive ceiling, you know, that if you, you, if the goal is to contend and you've got to have an elite player to contend, there's still a chance, agree or disagree, that he could be an elite player?

I agree. I mean, I definitely agree here. I think if you're asking me between him and Ports, him and Kuzma, who would I pick? I would pick Porzengis. I think Kuzma's numbers are a little bit inflated based on, you know, based on his role here. I think he'll certainly make more money than his $13 million, you know, player option that he will likely decline here. But I do think, I do think, you know, although a little more expensive, that he does have the most upside.

And if you were going to hang on to one of these players, it would probably be him. Two more for Bobby Marks. What do you think of Wes Unseld as a head coach? Wes Unsold Jr.? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's hard because are we judging him based on what the Wizards have done in the draft and the inability for some of these guys to take a big leap from a developmental standpoint? That's, you know, certainly a fair question here.

I think certainly, you know, the roster, I think when you're consistently shuffling the roster, Ted Leone's said it perfectly. Like, we've constantly been in a transaction game, and you're trading Spencer Dinwidian, Porzingis comes in, and Beal's been hurt. So, I mean, I'd love to see him with Bradley Beal for 65 games. I'd love for him where, you know, where this roster, you know, could be here. So I don't know if I'm ready to kind, and I think he'll have a, you know, So you're Michael Winger in that front office who have a year evaluation to figure out if Wes is the bright guy moving forward here.

So I'm not ready to kind of give him a grade yet because there's so much been, you know, there's so much been influx there. All right. Last one, because I've talked a lot about the NBA playoffs on my radio show and on the podcast. I loved them. I thought it was one of the best two months of NBA postseason basketball we've seen in a long time. And I loved watching Denver. and I just, I enjoyed them a lot. I think I had you on radio a few weeks ago

and we were talking about this. What happened to Jimmy Butler over the final six or seven games? Going back to kind of game six against Boston where he looked super reluctant and super passive as a scorer. What happened? Does anybody know? I just thought he was running on E.

You know, I thought he looked extremely tired. certainly in the Denver series when you have a bigger body like Aaron Gordon defending him. That takes its toll on you. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't, you know, was it the injury in the New York series? Did that hobble him? I don't know. He's not going to use it as an excuse. I just thought it was a player that looked extremely, extremely tired on the court.

I looked extremely tired in his interviews when he got done and everything like that. So for me, that's kind of how I looked at it. I looked at it as a Denver defense. That was really, really good. Yeah, it was. By the way, I lied. I forgot. What did you, what was your reaction to the John Morant 25 game suspension? Not surprised. I mean, I saw people paying 50 games or suspend them for life, which was Twitter and it's, you know, Twitter in itself right there. I'm not surprised at all 25 games. You know, eventually he's going to run out of chances. He doesn't change. you know, certainly. And I thought which was the most interesting out of that was, hey, you're not allowed to come

to the building. You're not allowed to use a facility. You're not allowed to be at here at training camp. You're basically kind of on your own. We'll see you in mid-November or late December or December here. That's going to be interesting here when you don't have that, you know, it's not like a player suspended and all you have to be out of the arena within within two hours here. That's probably the biggest thing I took from that pressure release.

Thanks for making time for me, as always. Much appreciated at Bobby Marks 42 on Twitter. He does a great job covering the league. Hope to talk to you soon. Thanks, Bobby. I appreciate. Yeah, thanks for having me. Concise to the point and write a lot.

Bobby Marks, everybody enjoyed that. We'll finish up with a few odds and ends, including going back to the conversation we had yesterday about draft day steals for the Washington, football franchise. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. I got guys like Bruce Brown. Come here, Bruce. Hey, you'll tell me, is Bruce to be going anywhere? Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. We're running this shit back. We're running this shit back. Hell yeah. That was Mike Malone, the head coach of the Denver Nuggets at the Nuggets downtown Denver parade yesterday. He was inebriated.

Unebriated. Had a big chain around his neck. All of the players were pretty much over-served. But Mike Malone was the entertainment. I mean, the head coach was by far and a way it would appear based on the speakers, the most bombed. I wonder if he, in hindsight, has some regrets about that. He's the head coach. You know, he is kind of the authority there. There's a certain level of decorum, isn't there required by the head coach?

Even in that kind of a situation? It was funny, that's for sure. 47 years that city waited. They got the title and they celebrated in style. It certainly reminds me of 2018, the Caps and Alex Ovechkin and all those

players taking that Stanley Cup on like a two to three, four month journey of, you know, of celebrating hysterical yesterday. So I wanted to read a quick review that we got and remind everybody that you can rate us and review us, especially on Apple and Spotify, and it's super helpful when you do it. Following us is really helpful as well. Hit that follow button on Apple Podcasts, upper right-hand corner. Same thing on Spotify.

It's on the left-hand side of this screen. This review from M.TK 72, top-notch guests, including Tommy, Cooley, Smoot, Portis, Doc, Al Galdi, and Ben Standing. My go-to source for everything Washington football. Thanks for always keeping this out-of-town fan in the loop, need more cookies, and crumb cake talk, L.O.L. Thank you, MTK-72. It's easy to rate us and review us, especially on Apple, in particular. If you can do it, it's a big help. So yesterday, Tommy and I were talking about the biggest draft day steals in Washington

football franchise history. It came off of a conversation actually about Nicola Yokic, and somebody had tweeted me comparing Yokic and Brady as the all-time draft day steals in the NBA and NFL. And in fact, if you, you know, Google any list of the all-time NFL, draft day steals. Tom Brady's easily number one. You know, he's the greatest of all time, and he was selected in the sixth round. And Yokic is pretty much universally number one on the NBA list of all time draft day steals. He was selected 41st overall in the second round. So we use that as a jumping off point into a conversation about the biggest draft day steals in Washington Redskins history.

and Tommy immediately got Chris Hamburger. Yeah, 18th round Hall of Fame, that's probably number one, even though the list that we had pulled up had Russ Grimm number one and had hamburger number four, actually, behind Larry Brown, who was an eighth round selection in 1969. But anyway, we debated and we threw a bunch of players out there. The first two players that came to my mind were Dexter Manley and Monty Coleman. But man, we missed a lot of.

lot in our conversation. And you guys really helped us out. And I want to go through some of the players that I'm pretty sure we did not mention that many of you tweeted in with. And you can follow me on Twitter at Kevin Sheehan, D.C. Big Mike sent in Len Haas, ninth round. Jerry Smith, greatest tight end in franchise history, ninth round. Don Warren, fourth round. Terry McClorn, third round. He wrote Rich Milt. I think he meant Rich Molloy. seventh round, 1979. There were others that some sent in that I actually was somewhat embarrassed

that I didn't mention yesterday. We did mention Rippin in the sixth round, and I did mention Kirk Cousins in the fourth round. Both of those would be on, you know, a top 10 to top 15 list of draft A steals. Top 10, probably. I mean, Rippin was a Super Bowl MVP, and, you know, sometimes Rippin gets this rap

of, like, you know, being a one-year wonder That's not true at all. You know, Rippin was drafted in 1986 in the sixth round and sat for two years. But Rippin had some really productive starting years here. 1989, you know, they went 10 and 6 and missed the playoffs. Rippin was the starting quarterback on and off with Stan Humphreys in 1990, but was the starting quarterback when they got to the postseason and they won a game. By the way, Rippin was a pro bowler in 1989.

And then 1991 obviously was the year for Rip. But 92, you know, rough year, you know, up and down year, but eventually they got to the postseason, won a game in nearly one two. Rippin was, you know, a part-time or full-time starter for, you know, six years here. You know, 93, he got injured early during that Ritchie Pettibone season. but Rip was not just this one-year quarterback. He had some big playoff games in Philadelphia in 92 when they beat the Eagles. I'm sorry, 1990 when they beat the Eagles in Minnesota in 1992 when they beat the Vikings.

So Rippin as a playoff quarterback starter was five and two. I mean, he quarterbacked seven playoff games for Washington. So you had the, you know, you had the three. in 91, but he quarterbacked another four playoff games for this franchise and was five and two in those playoff games as a starter. The numbers weren't necessarily great in all of the games, but Rippin was more than just a one-year wonder. But there were a couple of names here that that I should have gotten. Tommy should have gotten two. Gus Ferrat, seventh round in 1994. They drafted Heath Shuler, remember in the first round. Gus Farad had a

a pretty long career and some good years in Washington. Mike Thomas, I can't believe I didn't mention Mike Thomas. Mike Thomas was a fifth rounder for George Allen back in 1975 and was the NFL rookie of the year on offense in 1975. And you've got to understand that George Allen didn't really have any draft choices. I mean, Allen got here in 71. They had a second round pick. And then listen to this.

In 72, their first pick was in the eighth round. In 73, their first pick was in the fifth round. In 74, their first pick was in the sixth round. In 75, when they selected Mike Thomas, their first pick was in the fifth round. In 76, their first pick was in the fifth round. In 77, their first pick was in the fourth round. Now, George Allen's gone, by the way, in 78. But still, the remnants of George Allen's trading,

the first pick in 78 was in the sixth round. I mean, Washington, in 79, it was in the fourth. round. Washington basically for an entire decade was a non-participant in the NFL draft. George Allen just traded away all of their picks. And then in 1980, finally, they had a first round pick. It was their first first round pick since 1968. They went 12 years without a first round pick. And that first round pick in 1980, Arthur Monk. And the rest was history there. Then the 81 draft, they had all their picks, most of them anyway.

And that was the draft in this franchise's history, the 81 draft that produced Mark May, Russ Grimm, Dexter Manley, Charlie Brown, Daryl Grant, and Clint Didier. Someone tweeted me and said, he thinks the 79 draft was better based on percentage of hits. 79 draft, they only had five picks. Don Warren, Rich Malot, and Monty Coleman were all drafted. So three out of the five players, so 60%.

That's a great hit rate. But the 81 draft produced six major contributors to Super Bowl wins. Anyway, so Mike Thomas, I should have gotten. Frank Grant, somebody wrote in 13th round, 1972, sure. Darrell Grant, ninth round 81, Charles Mann. Charles Mann, we mentioned yesterday. Kurt Guvea, good one, eighth round, 1927. 1886. Ed Simmons, sixth round, 1987. Timmy Smith, Timmy Smith had, you know, a postseason in Washington.

Timmy Smith was, you know, a fourth round, I'm sorry, a fifth round selection in the 87 draft. But Timmy Smith's career was, you know, basically a Super Bowl. That postseason, and he actually played well in those postseason games leading up to the Super Bowl as well. Still, Timmy Smith holds this single season rushing mark for a Super Bowl game when in Super Bowl 22 against the Denver Broncos, he rushed for 204 yards on just 22 carries. But those were some really good names that you guys tweeted in with. I'm looking through to see if I missed any. I don't think I did. But yeah, we should have gotten some of those. All right. No U.S. Open talk on the show today.

I mean, I'm watching it here as I'm recording the podcast, and the course is not being as of now torched like it was yesterday by Ricky Fowler and Zander Schofle and others. But 262s in the history of major championship golf, just 162 had ever been shot, and that was by Brandon Grace a few years ago at the British Open. 262s yesterday. Nothing had ever beaten 63 at the U.S. Open. But I'm rooting for Ricky Fowler this weekend. I'd love to see him remain in contention. He's had such a tough few years on the tour. I mean, last year he was sitting on the putting green, hoping to be selected as an alternate for the U.S. Open.

And here he is a year later. He's played better recently and had a better year. would love to see Sunday come and Ricky Fowler be in the mix for his first major. All right, that's it for the day. Again, as Tommy and I wished you yesterday, I'll do it again today. Happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there. I'll be back on Monday.