The Kevin Sheehan Show - Kicker Questions

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

Kevin and Thom today talked about their weekends and then about new Commanders' kicker Brandon McManus pending sexual assault civil suit in Jacksonville. The guys discussed Bill Walton's life in the wake of his passing yesterday. The likely end of Victor Robles' career as a National and the NBA Playoffs part of the show as well.  Download the PrizePicks app today and use code Sheehan for a first deposit match up to $100! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, is Wind Donation.

Give them a call at 86690 Nation if you've been thinking about new windows. They'll take good care of you. You can go to Windonation.com as well. Mention my name. And you'll get a free, no obligation, no risk in home estimate. I was actually, Tommy, as you know, away for a few days. I did record with Cooley last week before I left shows for Thursday and Friday. Cooley, nice enough to do four film breakdowns of four of Washington's draft picks. He did Mikey Santer Still and Johnny Newton. That was out on Thursday's show,

May 23rd. And then Friday's show was Brandon Coleman and Luke McCaffrey. So if you miss those shows, go back and listen to him. He really likes Mikey Sanra. Still the corner from Michigan. But I was down in South Carolina, golf in Charleston as well for a night, but then over at Kiowa played the ocean course,

although not the entire thing. Do you know what the ocean course is? I'm assuming that you don't talk probably about the ocean course in your circles. Am I right? Nobody talks about the ocean course. Actually, we do mention the ocean course for miniature golf in Wildwood.

There's a course like right near the ocean in Wildwood that we like to play with dinosaurs and stuff. That's the only ocean course. Clown mouths and stuff? Yes. I bet it's a good one, though. It is. Beach Putt Putt Golf was always so much fun. It was so much fun with the kids.

when they were young. And we still go. We still go when we're at the beach. We still, you know, at least one night, hit the miniature golf. Now, Put-putt's different. Put-putt is actually, as I understand it, a whole different thing where there's not dinosaurs

and castles. It's just greens. Why is that any fun? Well, I mean, I think it's considered more serious and competitive. than actual miniature golf. Mm-hmm. Oh, put-putt's different.

I think there's a put-putt tour. I had no idea. There was a difference between putt putt putt in miniature golf. I thought they were the same thing. I'm sure if I'm wrong, somebody will correct me, but I think that's the case, because there are some courses that don't have anything that just have greens on them.

You know, with holes and certain challenges on those things. I mean, I don't particularly care for those. the ones with the windmills and the dinosaurs and stuff. Yeah, I always thought the ones that were just, you know, the greens were just bad put-put courses. That's what I thought. The ocean course at Kiowa is one of the, you know, I guess, iconic golf courses in the world, in the country, for sure.

They played the PGA championship there a few years ago. was when Phil won it, Mickelson won it at 50 years old. They played the Ryder Cup back in 89 at Kiowa. They played, Rory won the PGA championship there 2014. I think that's his last major, maybe. But it's one of those places that is public so anybody can play it. And it's beautiful because many of the holes, especially on the back nine, are all within view or literally run right next to the ocean.

And it's just a very pretty golf course, very hard golf course, and very, by the way, expensive. You know, golf Tommy, I'm glad I'm into it, but I'll tell you what, it is expensive. Golf, take a guess as to what a round of golf at the ocean course at Kiowa costs. I'm going to save $500. Oh, not bad. It's $6.50.

$6.50 for a round of golf. Wow. So this is one of those experiences, you know, that people, you know, come from all over to try to play. And you can play it because it's public. Now, let me just tell you, I didn't pay $6.50 because I was down there with my brother-in-law, sister-in-law. One of my boys made it. Two of their kids made it.

Everybody's older now. One of the boyfriends to my niece was down there with us. They did an Airbnb, but we stayed at this place called the Sanctuary, which is a key. It's a beautiful spot. And they discount the golf. So only paid for 60 for the rounded ocean course. But let me just tell you, we didn't get a full round at the ocean course because it rained on us. We got nine holes in, and then the rains came.

and then we kind of made a decision that we would regret a bit a little bit later on, which is to wait around to see if the rain would stop. And when you're waiting around after nine holes, hoping that the rain stops, where do you think you typically do some of the waiting? I'm thinking not in the chapel. Not in the chapel. No. There's no sermon.

There's no homily to listen to. although people will give you a pretty good sermon after a little while at the bar, because that's where we were. And, you know, finally three hours later, they said nobody's going back out. And that we turned, you know, into dinner that night, which turned into a pretty long night. But a lot of fun times, a memory for sure. But we only got nine holes in. So we only paid $2.30 for nine holes. although typically what they do is they give you a credit to come back.

And I said, we're not coming back for several years because we've, you know, I forget what it was. And they said, all right, well, we'll just charge you 230. Beautiful course. How is Charleston itself? I love Charleston. Yeah, we did a night in Charleston before we went over to Kiowa, which is about 35, 40 minutes from Charleston. I love Charleston. You've never been to Charleston, if my memory serves me correctly.

No, it's on my list of places to go high up on the list, but never made the trip yet. It's an easy trip for you. I mean, it's a super short flight. I mean, the flight's an hour and 15 minutes, hour and 20 minutes. If I went, that's how I would go. I mean, I don't want to have to deal with that drive between here and there. Yeah, it's a seven and a half hour drive. I've done both.

Charleston is a great restaurant food city and that's one of the things that we love about going there. There's so many great restaurants. And let me just tell you, you like barbecue, right? Yes. I think one of the best barbecue places I've ever been to is in Charleston. Lewis Barbecue, unbelievable barbecue. I mean, it's kind of known.

As some of the best barbecue anywhere. Actually, the last time I was down there, we didn't go to Lewis this time. We went to Hall's Chop House, for those of you that know Charleston Halls is their kind of iconic, I guess, steakhouse. It's an incredible experience. It's really good. But the last time I was at Lewis Barbecue, I was in line. this is probably two, three years ago with, I think two of my three boys were with me on this trip. And I was standing in line with Rick Carlisle, the head coach of the Indiana Pacers.

Yeah, he was coaching Dallas, I think, at the time. And he had been in Charleston and, you know, I think I said something like, coach, you like this place and he goes, it's our favorite. It's something we always do when we're here. and you would love that place. Charleston's awesome. I love Charleston. Lots to do, pretty, you know, on the water, lots of history.

You know, tons of certainly Civil War history. But we had a good trip. It's an easy trip. Those are the trips to me that are easy, you know. Hour and 20-minute flight, a couple, you know, a couple good restaurants, couple good golf rounds, couple good cocktail hours. And hello.

We're done. The Europe trips that my wife likes to do all the time, there's a lot of walking involved and a lot of cathedrals. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I just did that in Ireland. I know. You know, a lot of walk, and I enjoy it.

But actually, you know, I think, I think at least as far as I'm concerned, the European trips. Yeah. You know, we've been to Italy, Spain, and Ireland in the past five years. I really want to do a trip up and down the Pacific Coast Highway. Yeah, you've told me that. Yeah, that would be on.

That would be the next big trip on our list. Yeah, that's always beautiful. We've done, I think we've done Europe the last couple. We did Spain last summer. We did Italy the year summer before. We did the trip where we were in France and Belgium. she wants to go back again this summer. We're still trying to figure it out.

But it's like, well, you know, I haven't done Ireland, so I want to go to Ireland. But we've got to figure out how many people can come with us, how many of the boys can come. And we may do that trip also with my brother-in-law and sister-in-law as well. All right. I didn't make any exotic trips this weekend. I just went to Philadelphia for a day.

for yesterday? Sunday. Okay. Or a barbecue with my in-laws. It was a nice day. We had nice weather. It was a good barbecue, you know, good crowd and all that. But this came up, this subject came up that is really grating on me these days.

Okay. I have the people there were drinking. And when they weren't drinking it, they were talking about how great it is, non-alcoholic beer. That really drove you nuts. And it wasn't necessarily the act. I mean, you know, for some people they're not drinking. I admire that.

That's good. But stop calling it non-alcoholic beer. It's not beer. It's not beer if there's no alcohol. going. Right. You know, I mean, that would be like having a gin and tonic thing. I'm going to have a gin and tonic, but just don't put any gin in it. You know? So did you make it an issue? Did you bring it up? Oh, I did. I did. I said, you know, this, it's not fair. And they said, well, yeah, it is. I said, no, it's not. So, this drove me nuts. And there's a scene in the Wolf of Wall Street where, I said, well, yeah, it is. I said, no, it's not. So, uh, this just drove me nuts. And there's a scene in the wolf of Wall Street where, Leonardo DiCaprio's character, he has stopped drinking.

He's under house arrest, and he stopped drinking and taking drugs. And Jonah Hill, his friend comes over to see him. And Leonardo DiCaprio saying, I'm drinking this non-alcoholic beer. And Jonah Hill is trying to understand what he means. You know? It's a beer without alcohol. How can it be beer? Yeah.

How can it be beer? Yeah. He says, you want to go inside the house and snort a line of baking soda? When they are on the boat during the bad weather, and he's screaming for Jonah Hill, he's just screaming ludes. Get the ludes! That's such a great movie. It's on all the time, too.

So, I mean, they've got to come up with a different name. Was that Margot Robbie's debut? beer. Was that Margot Robbie's first movie where we all figured out who she was? I don't know. I don't know, but she's done pretty well for herself. Yes, she has. I mean, she has her own film company.

Actually, I would love to get one of my scripts in her hand. I bet you would. But I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Yeah. Well, how... She's a big baseball fan. She is, isn't she Australian? Yes.

but she's a big baseball fan. I got the story for her. But that was it. I just waged the little war against non-alcoholic beer. And, you know, I mean, I'd say my in-laws all looked at me like I was the grumpy old S-O-B, but that's pretty much how they've looked at me since day one. It looks like that was pretty much her debut. She was in a couple of small roles prior to that, but 2013 Wolf of Wall Street.

God, 2013, I didn't think it was, is it really 11 years ago that movie? Wow. She was great as Sharon Tate and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which to me, just every time you watch it just keeps getting... Yeah, I didn't see Barbie. I thought Barbie. I didn't. It was clever.

It was interesting, funny, and clever. It's not a great movie, but it was entertaining. Right. Okay. O'Dul's. We could name the show today Odules, but that would be kind of misleading, which leads me to this. All right? We got a lot of reviews, a lot of ratings and reviews here recently. So we appreciate all of you who have done that. And those of you who haven't rated or reviewed the show, if you take a quick moment to do so, you can pause the podcast right now. Apple gives you a chance to, give us up to five stars. So does Spotify? Apple also gives you a chance to write a quick review. And let me just tell you, our average review number is, let me look it up real quickly, is 4.8 stars. So that essentially means most of you have given us five stars. And it's much appreciated. And, you know, some of you write the quick one to two sentence review. And that's

all we need. Like this one came from HTT Dubs, five stars titled his review 50 Shades. If only Mary would have known she would have been getting 50 shades of Laverro. Keep the stories coming, Tom. Great show boys, as always. HTT Dubbs is talking about Tommy's trip up to the Poconos recently, where he had a luncheon and he He didn't say her name was Mary, but I referred to her as Mary throughout the podcast last week

because he said her first name began with M. And I figured, M, you know, back in the 60s or 70s, probably Mary. And you didn't actually stop me from calling her Mary. So is her name Mary? No. Would she have gotten 50 shades of Levero? I think that's when? Now?

No. I think I'm down to one shade. Yeah. Is it gray? Maybe not. All right. So that leads me to this one because we did get a bad review. We got one star.

Please don't do that. If you're going to give us one star, just don't rate us. And it's fine. Now, I'm not asking, I'd love five stars in a nice review because that helps us really connect with the advertisers. They look for a sign that the listeners, beyond just the numbers, really enjoy the show and are loyal to the show. That's a big part of it. But this person wrote, I'm sorry, but where on your latest episode do you talk about your

prediction for week one? And this was from Ron Burgundy, 1,2, 3, 4 gave us one star. Well, there was a show last week, or the week before maybe, where I referenced this story that Jordan DeJani had written on CBSSports.com, where he had his way too early 2024 NFL week one picks. Remember, Tommy? We talked about this straight to show. And I had mentioned that he picked the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to beat Washington in week one, 26 to 23. And we talked about it in the context of, man, this time of year, people are really stretching to come with content, but it really doesn't matter if it's NFL related. People will read it and comment on it.

Now, to the review, Ron Burgundy, 12, 3, 4, I'm sorry, but where on your latest episode do you talk about your prediction for week one? Well, I didn't talk about my prediction for week one. I talked about Jordan Dijani's week one predictions, which he made for all of the week one games after the schedule came out. I did title that show a week one commander's prediction. And I'm going to share something with all of you. It's, I guess, a little bit inside baseball. But not every title of the podcast gives you kind of the essence of the podcast.

Because there have been some podcasts where we have just talked about Tommy's, What did we talk about last week for a while? Well, the Mary subject, the Poconos lunch. The reunion, the classroom. Yeah. I mean, that was the opening segment to the show. It wasn't, by the way, planned. It was completely spontaneous off of you just telling a story.

Most of these podcasts are. Most of them are with the two of us. But if I put Tommy Mrs. Mary as the headline, as the title to the show, show, it just doesn't get as much traction as if there's something in there that is sports related. And for us, more Washington football related. It doesn't have to be Washington football related. If we're talking about a big Nats playoff winner, a Caps playoff loss, or, you know, the NBA

finals, that can be in the title. But the title, for search reasons, is kind of important. So I understand what you're saying that it was just a brief part of the show, and it sounds like you may have missed it. Because it was a fairly brief part of the show, and it wasn't at the beginning of that show. But that was on that particular day, it was basically a show about Tommy. Tommy told like four or five stories, took up so much time telling the stories that we didn't have time to get to some of the football stuff, and the football stuff came late. That's not totally true. How about this one, Tommy?

From Ron Mon 124. Kevin, a Jones fracture is the fifth metatarsal. But it's not the pinky toe itself. You have your ankle joint, then the metatarsals, then the next two bones are phalanges, the smallest bones in your foot. So it's the big bone that comes from the ankle in the middle outside of your foot.

It's near the head of the bone. It's almost a Liz Frank fracture, but just one, but just of one metatarsal instead of all of them. Well, thank you, Ron Mon 1124, for explaining the Johnny Newton metatarsal injury, which we apparently, according to most doctors who listened to the show, butchered. And we did. I'm sure we did. All right. Lots of reviews and ratings, and if you can keep them coming, that is so big for us. So if you haven't rated or reviewed the show and you want to do it, have at it right now. We do have some real sports on the show today.

And we are going to talk about the passing of Bill Walton for sure. We will talk about Washington's kicker troubles and more. And we will start that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, I want to tell you about Harry's. Many of you have probably heard of Harry's razors and shaving products, maybe even from this podcast. They've been an occasional advertiser over the years. I'm a customer. I have been for a while now. I think it goes back to the first shipment of product that they sent me before the first time they advertised on the pod, maybe four or five years ago. They found a way Harry's did to make a beautifully designed razor for a first time they advertised on the pod, maybe four or five years ago. They found a way Harry's did to make a beautifully designed razor for, a fraction of the price of other big brands. I've been using their Truman handle. It's a two-tone handle with a great grip. It provides a close shave, no matter if you've got a beard and you're shaving around it, or if you cleanly shave on a daily basis. Their German-engineered blades stay sharp and stay sharp for a long period of time. They've got customizable delivery options

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are suing Brandon McManus, alleging that McManus sexually assaulted them during the team's overseas flight last year to London. Jacksonville plays, you know, twice a year or whatever it is in London, certainly once a year. The two women identified as Jane Doe 1 and Jane Doe 2 in the lawsuit, which was filed Friday in Duval County, that's Jacksonville, accused McManus of rubbing himself against them and grinding against them. They also accuse the Jaguars organization of failing to supervise McManus and failing to create a safe environment for the staff serving the team. They are seeking in excess of a million dollars and are demanding a jury trial. McManus's attorney, Brett Galloway, said, quote, these are absolutely fictitious and demonstrably false allegations made as a part of a

campaign to defame and disparage a talented and well-respected NFL player. We intend to aggressively defend Brandon's rights and integrity and clear his name by showing what these claims truly are an extortion attempt. Tony Busby is representing the two women. He said in a statement that he posted on Instagram earlier this morning, Tony Busby, by the way, was the gentleman that represented all of those women in the Deshawn Watson cases. He said, our efforts at resolution were met with arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity, strikingly similar to how Deshawn Watson's team responded when we tried to resolve those cases pre-filing. The allegations made in this lawsuit are very serious. We made sure to fully vet them and speak to witnesses before even

taking the cases. We will pursue this case with the same tenacity we are known for. That from Tony Busby. Jacksonville put out a statement and Washington put out a statement. Earlier today, this was yesterday, we were made aware of the civil lawsuit filed on May 24th against Brandon McManus. We take allegations of this nature very seriously and are looking into the matter. We've been in communication with the league office and Brandon's representation and we'll reserve further comment at this time. So Brandon McManus being sued for in excess of a million dollars, for in civil court, for allegedly sexually assaulting two women who were flight attendants on this Jacksonville charter flight to London to play a game

last September. So, what do you say? Well, I think for the commanders, they should check this out a little bit. This is a culture check for the organization. This is the, you know, the third rail issue that plagued this franchise in its final years.

The sexual harassment charges similar like that, that, you know, it came to define the Dan Snyder era at the end. These are new owners. Okay, but it's, it's the same organization. They inherit a lot of things,

and as much as they might not like it, they have more of an obligation than another team in the NFL to check this out on their own and see how valid the charges are as much as they can. You know, there will be limits as to what they can do. But these football teams all have, you know, investigators who work for them. I think it would be smart business,

for this football team to determine how valid the charges are, you know, if they think there is a case, there might be a case here, or if they think, oh, it's just a joke, you know. One way or the other, I think the commanders need to find out for themselves. I don't think they can just let this thing unfold. Yes, but you're not recommending that they come to any conclusion at this point. No. No, I'm not saying, you know, just because charges have been filed, you cut the guy loose.

Right. But, you know, I don't think, I think it would be smart business for them to figure out how valid these charges are. That's all. I'm sure, you know, I don't know if they will or not. You know, it's kind of interesting. You know, McManus's attorney, Galloway says, you know, he uses these words a campaign to defame and disparage. Now, why would these two women conduct a campaign against a kicker for the Jacksonville Jaguars? A campaign would indicate there's some kind of conspiracy here.

If you're conducting a campaign against somebody, that's like some kind of organized effort to go after them. Why? Why a kicker from Jacksonville? Yeah, I would certainly think, by the way, that since this happened on an airplane, that there are witnesses that can either corroborate he did nothing or corroborate their story. But whatever. I think, so to your, you know, these are new owners, but they inherit some of, you know, the organization's past, you know, indiscretions. I think they inherit a lot.

Like they inherit the fan base's PTSD. You know, they inherit a lot of the malaise. But I don't think they inherit the owner's misbehavior, which it all stemmed from the owner's, you know, misbehavior himself, the owner's hiring of people who misbehaved, etc. The culture that he said, I don't think they own that. I think, I do think that this three years of, ago, two years ago, with this organization going through all of these investigations with

just society in general being much more sort of cancel oriented, I think he would have been cut. He would have been cut by a lot of organizations and would not have been given the opportunity to prove his innocence or given due process. So my preference, obviously, and it's always been, is, you know, the presumption of innocence, due process all of that. I don't think I disagree with you necessarily on the team, you know, not waiting for the results of this because I don't even know how long this might take, you know, and finding out what they can find out on their own and make a decision accordingly. To me, that makes good sense. I mean, you know, I think about, Jesus, why am I blanking on the Alabama

linebacker that they signed, you know, that had the, all of the... Ruben. Ruben Foster. Ruben Foster. By the way, Jay Gruden says one of the best college tapes he's ever looked at and said when he came in before he tore his Achilles on that first day, he's like, we knew we had, he was going to be a big time player. But like the organization, remember, did...

Their investigation included asking John Allen and Duran Payne, who played with them what they thought. Remember you called the California DA's office? Yeah, where the case has been litigated, there were charges of domestic abuse filed by his girlfriend. Right. But then she didn't follow through on them. Right.

You know, and the DA felt compelled actually issue a statement saying that, you know, even though she's not following things. on them, they thought there were still a lot of merit to this case. It's happened sometimes, you know, victims in these situations. Right. Lots of times. Yeah. In some reasons.

Well, but that's not, you called to find out if the Redskins, if anybody from the Redskins had given them a call to inquire into the details of the case, and the answer was no. Yes. Yeah. You're right. I mean, look, again, I'm not saying cut the guy, and I'm not saying, you know, these owners are responsible for everything, but I'd be very sensitive, more sensitive about this than maybe other teams should be, and every team should be sensitive about it. But this organization, I think, needs to have a little bit more sensitivity, and I just think it would be good business, check it out for themselves, or else not in the middle of the season. you know, have something embarrassing come out for them while, and then they got a shop

for a kicker in the middle of the season. Well, that they have to cut this guy loose. You know what? You just nailed the absolute, you know, number one football reason for getting to the bottom of this before, before some jury hears this, 100 percent, because they can't, they need a kicker for the upcoming season. I mean, putting aside the details of the case and perhaps these women were sexually assaulted, which if true is awful, you can't sit around. You certainly want to give him due process and give him the opportunity to presume his innocence.

But at the same time, if this thing isn't going to get started until late summer or early fall, you can't, you got to have a kicker option. but let me just also just mention this one thing because it's talking to to ben about this on the show and actually I think Neil texted this same thing to me you know Busby says that essentially they tried to settle right you know he said but you know our attempt to settle this matter without litigation was met with arrogance ignorance stupidity etc obviously he's trying to settle this with McManus and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Washington's not named in this suit. This happened under another team's watch.

But the issue would be if Jacksonville knew about this before free agency started because Busby has been trying to settle with them for a couple of months, I wonder if they have an obligation to disclose that information to the league about a pending free agent

who they decided not. to resign. And if that's true, is it possible Washington could, you know, get their signing bonus money back, or at least pursue it with McManus or pursue, I'm presuming. Look, I have no idea if he's innocent or guilty. I'm totally on board with the presumption of innocence and the in due process. I'm just sitting here telling you that from the team standpoint, they would have never signed him on March 14th if they had known that Tony Busby was representing two women who claimed

that McManus sexually assaulted them on a plane last year and that he was trying to settle and if they don't settle he's going to sue him in civil court. They wouldn't have signed him. They wouldn't. You're right. And so I just wonder whether or not when Busby says, you know, we with, we filed this case because we attempted without success to resolve this matter without the need for litigation. You know, how long has he been trying to settle and did it happen? What's the disclosure responsibility of the Jaguars? I have no idea. To the commanders and to the league.

I don't know. I'm just, I mean, to me, it would make sense that if, I mean, I guess their confidentiality is. issues with the player and the NFLPA might have an issue if you disclose this, right? I mean, it's probably maybe they don't, maybe they can't disclose what they know. Because I think the NFLPA would back McManus, right? Because you're impacting. But they didn't resign him. They didn't resign him.

He used 30 to 37 last year, hit on 81.1% of his field goal. and was perfect on extra points last year. So he had a pretty good season for Jacksonville and his one year there. I do remember he missed a kick against the Bengals on one of those Thursday night games or Monday night games, whatever it was. Anyway.

Yeah. One other thing. Yes. Speaking about Buzzbee, the attorney for the plaintiff here, when he says this was arrogance, ignorance. We were met with arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity. That sounds right out of Jackie Child's playbook, doesn't it? Yeah.

Yeah. From Seinfeld. That's like something that they would have written for Jackie Childs to have said. Right. Arrogance, ignorance, and stupidity. No way to go through life. All right. Well, let's talk about Bill Walton passing away.

Yesterday at the age of 71 years old, I'm assuming most of you know that by now. I didn't even know he was sick. That was a pretty big shocker for me. I did watch something about four or five months ago, Tommy. It was him and Len Elmore on a podcast or a video that they did together, talking about the 50-year anniversary of Maryland playing UCLA in Walton's senior year. It was Elmore, McMillan, Lucas.

It was a game out of Pauley Pavilion. They had their 70 whatever game winning streak, and Maryland took him down to the wire, lost by a point at the end, 65, 64. And I remember saying to a friend of mine who watched the same video, man, Walton seemed a little bit off. Like, he just seemed a little bit off. So obviously he's been sick.

He died of cancer. Man, the response to this passing has been incredible. He was... It really had. He was, you know, as they say, he was one of one. He was an original. You watched all of his career.

I remember just the very end of his college career, but I'll let you start. Tell me what you thought when you heard about his passing yesterday. Look, I'm writing about this for tomorrow's Washington Times, and I make two comparisons for Bill Walton, the basketball player, and then Bill Walton the personality. And the basketball player, I compare him to Joe Namath in this sense. There's no way that you can explain to people how good Bill Walton was unless they were there and saw it.

You know, it just, his legacy and even the numbers in some of his championship games, like the sixth game, this clenching game of the 77 NBA finals when Portland won. And the historic game against Memphis, where I had 21 out of 22 from the field in that one championship game, it's still, if you look at the overall Bill Walton career and you try to tell somebody, this is a top five center of all time in the sport, you know, college or pro. And they can't appreciate that. You know, it's like Joe Namath, unless you saw Joe Namath in his prime when he played and were in awe of him, then you can't really translate as to how good he was.

now personality-wise, I compared him to George Foreman, because this guy underwent a transformation at some point in his life. Right. I mean, Bill Walton, in the early years, was sullen, did not want, did not want to deal with people. He was a radical who was involved in the, in helping the people who hid. Patty Hearst and members of the Sibian Liberation Army. He was getting arrested at protest, but not just his political views. He was not approachable.

He was not warm or fuzzy. He had a stuttering problem. He couldn't communicate very well. Yes, and it's interesting that Hall Fame broadcaster Marty Glickman was the one he said changed his life, was the one who had a conversation with Walton and gave him some, you know, exercises as to what to do. And he explained to Walton that, you know,

speaking in public is a skill. It's not something that, you know, that you have to work on. And Bill Walton has said that changed his life. Interesting. That conversation is Marty Clickman. It's like the guy with King George, with the, you know,

the King's Speech movie. The guy that helped. Yeah. Yeah, like Foreman, who was such a different figure, the second time around became this warm and fuzzy figure, the Walton became, you know, this, this tie-died guy who you would love to have in your living room. Yeah.

He's not a top five center of all time. He would have been a top five center of all time. No, he is. I love Walton. I remember. those years when he was healthy. Gene Shoe said after the 77, Gene Shute is coach of the Sixers,

after the 77 NBA finals, that he's the best big man ever to play the game. He was... In the moment, he was, when he was his best, when he was healthy, top five. I agree with that, but the problem is it was one season, basically,

that he was legitimately healthy. I mean, that was, that 77 season was essentially it. He got hurt the following year in the playoffs against Seattle, you know, and they got beaten the first round after they won the title. And, you know, he didn't see the postseason again until he was with the Celtics in 86 coming off the bench. I mean, I, we've talked about him many times in the past, And I've even read after some of those shows pushback going,

where we would say, if healthy, he may have been considered the greatest center of all time if he had had a career. I certainly think that he's the best passing big man that I'd ever watched until Yokic. But, you know, Kareem, Russell, Will, Hakeem, Shaq, Shaq, I mean, people with long careers. I mean, you're going to tell me he's a top five center for essentially one legitimate postseason as the starting center? He was the MVP the year after that.

But that was the year he got hurt. 77-78, he got hurt at the end of that season, going into the postseason, they got eliminated. He was the MVP. I know. He's got the one. one MVP, and he's got the MVP of the finals the year before. Right.

And that's it. If he gave me that one game at that moment, you know, when Walton was at his best, I take him over Shaquille O'Neal. That's easy for me. But that's not the conversation. I mean, I... Well, it is.

When we talk about... His career is not top five center career. If you want to say... No, it's not. Okay. But when he was at his best, he was a top five... centered in the history of this game. Yeah, I mean,

Kareem, Russell, Will, for me, you know, Elijah Juan's always in that conversation. He's just always going to be. I've always thought Elijah one, I'd take Elijah one over Shaq. Who are we forgetting? Moses, Yokic.

I mean, Yokic is approaching these conversations, although he needed something better this year. But, yeah, I guess, yeah, Give me one playoff stretch, one season of Walton healthy, everybody healthy. Yeah, he's probably, he's very close to it, putting it that way. He is. I can tell you this, that I actually found, I had Billy Packer on the podcast like three years ago, you know, a couple of years before he passed away.

And it was one of my favorite things that I've ever done. I actually replayed some of that recently. and I think it was for Lefty's passing. It was when Lefty passed away. I played some of what he had said about Lefty during the conversation. But I said, you know, David Thompson in my lifetime was the greatest college player I ever saw,

and he got to see it up front and close because Billy Packer was the ACC guy before he became the national guy with Al McGuire and Dick Enberg at NBC and then eventually at CBS. And he said, you know, as a wing player, It's probably Oscar 1, David Thompson, too. But in terms of the greatest college basketball players of all time, it's Lou Al-Sinder, one, and Walton, too.

He's like, you know, they're just that, and he goes with Kareem first. But Walton will, for some people, go down as if not, the greatest college basketball player of all time. Number two to probably Louel Cinder, the back-to-back centers at UCLA. And all of those wins, you know, under Wooden. He was a great college basketball player. Yes.

Yes. And then he had this second career as such a unique broadcaster. Yeah. That's what people fell in love with. Yeah. He was so entertaining. I mean, those pack 12 games that he was calling at night, the only reason to watch most of those games was Walton.

He had a great relationship with the guy that he did a lot of those games with Dave Pash at ESPN. Yeah. My son sent me something earlier today. He called the Maryland-U-CLA game at Pauley Pavilion in December of this past year. Maryland won that game. And he starts, you know, rambling about the DMV and all the players that come out of the DMV. And Pash or whoever was doing the game said, what's the DMV? And he said, you know, the D-M-V.

and the Maryland and Delaware. Anyway, I don't think that was a joke, but it was hysterical. And yeah, I mean, so entertaining. Such a hippie. Did you watch that 30 for 30 on Walton? Did you watch that? I told you to watch that. When it came out.

I heard it's great. It's so good. watch it now if I can. Yeah. I'm sure they're running it, you know. It's so good. He was such a hippie. One of the things from that show is, I mean, there are a couple of things.

You know, he's told the story a million times about Wooden, where, you know, wooden, you know, there was a rule. You had to have your haircut at a certain length. And Walton didn't want to cut his hair. And he said, coach, it's part of my personality. And he said, well, it can be a part of your personality. and if you want to leave your hair the way it is, you can leave it the way it is.

We'll just really miss you. Yeah. But the other thing is when he, Oregon was like a perfect match for his personality. I mean, Southern California was, but crunchy Oregon was a perfect match for his personality as well. And he rode his bike to the arena for games. There's all this video of a reporter, and God, it's a recognizable name, and I'm forgetting what it is now and who it was. But he did this piece on Walton, and he rode with him on his bike to all these different places and would ride with him to the game. This has nothing to do with Walton, but what's so sort of surprising, but I remember these days,

I mean, Walton's going, I mean, he's flying down a highway on a bike as one of the, you know, star bass. basketball players in the NBA, he's got no helmet. No, no bike helmet. Nobody did. But that was well done. There's a lot of really good stuff. His teammates really loved him in Portland. You know, Mo Lucas, he always gave credit. He said, without Mo Lucas, we don't win that title in 77. And he became very close with Maurice Lucas. That was such a story team. I mean, look, I could, care less about the Portland Trailblazers. I was a Knicks fan, big Knicks fan. Yeah. I fell in love with that team because they really played and executed the game into an art form. Bobby Groves, Lionel Hollins.

Mo Lucas. They were a fun team with Jack Ramsey as the headcoats. Right. You know, there are so many great stories out there. You mentioned Rick Carlisle. Rick Carlisle tells the story about how the grateful day. dead were going to be in Washington at the, I guess it was maybe the MCI Center then, when he was playing for the Celtics, where Carlisle was. And he had a date with this girl, and he wanted to impress her.

So he went to Walton and said, can you get me in to, you know, the Grateful Dead? And Walton said, to show up at the back, you know, at the loading dock, and they'll take care you. and Carlisle was kind of skeptical, and his date was even more skeptical. But sure enough, they got led backstage, and they wound up in a room with Jerry Garstia and the dead. Yeah. And they're talking. And Rick Carlisle wound up marrying that girl. Oh, wow.

Wow. Yeah, he was a deadhead, that's for sure. Did you like the Grateful Dead? No, not a dead guy. either. Never was. It looked like a lot of fun, though. Yeah. I mean, you had to be into some major stuff,

for sure, it seemed like. Well, look, sad, 71's way too young. And, you know, we're going to miss out on more great years of him just, you know, story. How about this? Did you see that the PAC 12's final competitive

sporting event, which was the final baseball game of the PAC 12 season, was played on Sunday, which marked the end of the PAC 12 conference, the conference of champions, which he referred to so many times. And then he passes away the next day. That's wild. I did see that. All right. Anything else on Bill Walton? Great player. We spend hours. There's so many great stories about him out there. and it is the social media contributions that are out there right now are just overwhelming

incredible reaction to his passing, no doubt. All right, we got more to finish up with, including, by the way, the NBA playoffs, which are going on right now. Tommy can't wait. That's next right after these words

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you'll ever see at 1331 F Street, Northwest, in the district. I went to the Nats game Friday, Friday night, and then I went to Shelly's afterward, like I usually do for a post-game smoke, and the actor, Robert Patrick was there. Robert Patrick was the guy who played Arnold Schwarzenegger's enemy in Terminator 2. I just pulled him up. I would have never known who Robert Patrick is without seeing his face. He was also in the soprano. Yeah, of course.

He played Dave, the guy who owned the sporting goods store, who was a degenerate gambler. Right. In the soprano's. Yep. And he's been in a lot of television, burn notice, sons of anarchy, night age, Dust Till Dawn, the series.

He's done a tremendous amount of work. Well, he's a motorcycle guy, and he comes every year for what used to be, you know, the big ride. Now it's called The Ride to Remember, before it used to be called Rolling Thunder. On Memorial Day. Yeah, come to Washington for Memorial Day to honor those who have lost their lives in battle, which is what Memorial Day is supposed to be. So he comes every year, I've been before, but I saw him again Friday night. And again, Shelley's is like that kind of place.

Shelly's is his, when he comes to town, Shelly's is his home away from home, so much so that Robert was, is filming a documentary about the ride, the ride to, you know, the ride to remember. And he spent Thursday night at Shelly's. with a bunch of his writer friends filming for the documentary. So you'll be able to see Shelley's back room in this documentary when it comes out. But he loves Shelly's just like I love Shelly's, and he always remembers me. You remember my name? Oh, really?

Remembers what I did for a living? Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. So, again, it's the kind of place where you run in the celebrities like that. And so that that made my night, being him at Shelley's backroom, besides a great beer and a great cigar that I had at Shelley's, you know, top of the line all the way.

That's what you get at Shelley's Backroom. You can find out more at shelley's backroom.com. So real quickly, just tell me, is Victor Robles' Natt's career over? Yes. He was designated for a sign. last week, which means he was basically released. He'll probably wind up signing with another organization, but this is stunning because he was the jewel of the Nats organization at one point.

I mean, this was the typical Mike Rizzo conversation when they would do trade talks back in 2017 or 2018. team. The other team, you know, the other team would be on the phone and say, Mike, I'll give you this, this, and this for Victor Rovarez. Nope. Untouchable. That's what he was. Untouchable. He was the number one target of other teams and trade talks because he was considered a five-tool player, you know, can't miss prospect, you know, and, and even that one full year when he played on the World Series team. Yeah. He put up decent numbers, you know, for a young guy without a lot of experience. And then it all just disappeared. You know, he had some health issues, but beyond that, he never seemed to develop any kind of baseball IQ for the game. And the team stuck with him for a long time. But, you know, he would win the game.

You know, one night, the next night he would lose the game with an. error or base running mistake. And it never got better. So it was time to move on from him. But he was more highly thought of than Juan Soto when the two of them were in the national system coming up. You know, and it's a shame. There's no, it's not like he's a bad kid.

Okay, it's not like he didn't listen or he didn't try good kid, very well-liked. There's nothing that he did that went wrong. wrong, except he never developed into what people thought he would be. No, seven and a half seasons, but as you said, many of them sort of injury-riddled, that's for sure. All right. The NBA playoffs, so when I was away, I did watch Minnesota, Dallas.

I have not watched a lot of the Indiana-Boston series, which ended last night in a sweep. I mean, there's some incredible numbers from that series. I don't know if you saw any of these. I'm sure you didn't. But in games one, two, and four, three of the four games, the Pacers led with three minutes to go. And at some point during the fourth quarter, one of those, you know, win probability numbers,

they were at 90%. Like, they had games seemingly in the bag, and three out of the four, which really speaks to the Celtics doing a really good job closing them out at the end of games. And, you know, Jalen Brown and Derek White and obviously Jason Tatum, you know, the Celtics have had kind of an easy road here. You know, there was no Jimmy Butler, Cleveland. Donovan Mitchell was out for a couple of those games. Halliburton missed two of the four games that they played Indiana.

And, I mean, it's as easy a road to the finals as anybody. had in a long time. I mean, they've only lost two games in the postseason so far. But the four games against Indiana were all super competitive games. And Indiana had a chance to win all of them. So Boston is back in the finals for the second time in the last three years. They have not won the title since 2008. So it's been a while for them.

And, you know, the Lakers, when they won the bubble title, evened it up at 1717 for the most NBA championships of all times to the Celtics will have a chance to take the overall lead in that. And they'll be a favorite, Tommy. They'll be a favorite against Dallas, who they're most likely going to face. Won't be a big favorite. Won't be the kind of favorite they would have been two weeks ago with the way the Mabs are playing. But that's the series that I just wanted to talk about briefly. Because these three games that the Timberwolves and Mavericks have played. I know you hate to hear this, but it has been skill, shot making, athleticism. That's just, it's awesome to watch. I had Tom McMillan. No, wait a minute. I had John

Crispin. I had McMillan on the radio show today talking about Walton. Because did you know that Tom McMillan in 1970 was the number one high school player in the country per parade magazine? And Walton was number two. Actually, you could read about that in tomorrow's Washington Times because I talked to Tom McMillan, too. Oh, you did? Today? Yes, I did.

Oh, okay. Yes. Anyway, I was talking to Crispin about this. Crispin played at UCLA, Penn State, big basketball guy, ESPN, Series XM. And I just said, like, just the combination of skill and in athleticism, in this series and he's like it's he goes i'm an old man he it's a lot of times i'm i'm the old man that tells you to get off the lawn he said but it's just so overwhelming and it's everybody um there's just so much of it and this series has had it just beyond description

and i hate to to give these guys credit because i'm just not a big fan of either one of them personally but kairie irving and luca dantsuch have been incredible, incredible in this series. And it's not just as shot makers and scores. It's what they create for everybody else. And they've got athletes. Gafford is just a monster defensively. We saw that even in this time in Washington. And then lively, the rookie, the way they go up and finish. And then Washington's been great. PJ Washington has, Jones Jr. has been great, but Kyrie and Luca Donchich, just what I said about Boston closing out games and Indiana's had opportunities in three of the four, Minnesota's had leads in the

fourth quarter in all three of these games. They've had a chance to win all three of these games. But the Mavericks have had Kyrie and Luca to close these games out, and it's been really impressive, really impressive to watch. I've been rooting for Minnesota. I picked Minnesota in six or seven, I forget what it was, probably not going to happen. Did you, and I'm sure you heard about this, and if you didn't, you know, let me prepare you, you might want to sit down, but Stan Van Gundy, who I actually really like as an X's and O's analyst on these broadcasts, he said the other night that the combination of Kyrie Irving and Luca Donchich is the greatest offensive back court in NBA history.

Even I can't do that with Clay Thompson and Steph Curry. I don't know. You probably don't have anything to say, because you don't watch basketball anymore. But you certainly remember Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and their four titles. I would certainly say the two of them. I can't remember Walt Fraser and Earl Monroe. I remember them too. Hell of a back court.

Hell of a back court. And they won a championship together. Yes, they did. And Luca and Kyrie haven't done that yet. What did they average together? I'm just curious. Do you have any idea how good they were together offensively? Well, you know, Monroe, for the betterment of the team,

because, I mean, there was so much more to include on the next team. That team had six Hall of Famers at 73. Bill Bradley, Nick's championship. Dave DeBusher, Willis Reed, Walt Fray. Fraser Roll Monroe. I just named five. Who am I missing? And Jerry Lucas. Jerry Lucas. Jerry Lucas came off the bench as a center forward.

He was a Hallfamer as well. But Monroe, you know, sort of dialed back his game as a score that he had been in Baltimore. Right. When he went to the Knicks, I think he averaged like 15 or 16 a game in New York. And Fraser, I think, averaged like 20, 21. 22, the game back then. Right. Do you know how many points to Luca average this year? Oh, Jesus Christ.

It's like talking about gas prices now, because of back to when back then, you know? It's meaningless. No, it's not meaningless. Stop it. It's not meaningless. And you hate Luca. I can't stand him.

He's a whiny asshole. I can't stand that part of him, but I also recognize how great he is. I mean, the dude is 24 years old. I don't know, is he 24 yet? And, you know, he basically can pick the number that he wants to score and then also is terrific at seeing the floor and making others better. He is. How many of you that?

And Kyrie Irving, nobody wanted him a year and a half ago. Nobody did. And by the way, justifiably. So he had sabotaged every position he had been in. He was totally disrespectful to teammates, to management. Nobody, he was totally unreliable. And, you know, Dallas essentially got him for a song. And now he's playing at a ridiculously high level.

Because he is ridiculously talented. and skilled. I don't want them to win the title. I'm not a big Boston fan. I really want Boston to beat them, but it's going to be, it actually should be a good finals. Let me just mention this one last thing,

because you don't want to talk about basketball. The NBA finals have a fixed start date to them every year. It's been that way now for 25, 30 years. Whereas I remember a day in which, if Minnesota gets swept tonight by Dallas, you know, with Boston standing by, the NBA finals would have started on Friday night, you know? They would have started the NBA finals Friday night,

and game two would have been Sunday, and we would have gone, you know, we wouldn't have had to wait. We're going to have to, if Dallas wins tonight, nine days to wait for the NBA finals to start, this is not a league, and I've said this many times in the past, that can afford to go dark and think that everybody's just going to,

come back for nine days. Now, I know why they do it. They do it. They do it. They're advertising reasons. They do it. There's international reasons they do it PR-wise because the NBA finals, you know, are, it's not the World Cup. I'm not suggesting it's that. But, you know, the NBA is, you know, one of the top two or three products worldwide. You know, it's not the World Cup, but it's probably number two if cricket isn't. And there's a, it's a, number two. It's a, it's a, massive international presence at these NBA finals. And that was another reason years ago they started to have a fixed date so that the international media could prepare for it and be here for it. I understand there are probably really good business reasons for having a fixed date.

But I'll tell you what, I love these NBA playoffs. And by the time we get to next Thursday, if this series ends tonight, it's going to be like, oh, that's right. forgot about that. It's just, I think it's stupid for a league like this to do that. But anyway, anything else? I got nothing else for you, boss. All right, then. Let me just mention one thing before we wrap it up for the day.

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