The Kevin Sheehan Show - Kyler Murray = Redskins Savior?

Episode Date: January 10, 2019

Kevin and Thom discuss the possibility that the status quo will prevail for the Redskins of 2019. Both agree that would be near-death for the team so it led to a conversation about the possibility of drafting Kyler Murray in the April draft. Scott Van Pelt was in for his weekly visit to the show. They discussed Maryland Basketball, Jalen Hurts to Maryland, and the NFL Playoffs. Thom made his NFL Playoff picks too. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Yep, Tommy's here. Aaron's here.

And I am here as well. This show's presented by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation.com and tell them we told you to call. Good morning to you. Good morning, Kevin. What I need from you and the only thing I need for you, because it's the only thing you're good for.

What's going to happen this weekend? Ooh, this is an odd weekend in that most of the favorites would appear to... No. What are you talking about? Oh, the snow! The snow! Oh, my God. What the heck are you talking about?

I thought you had faith in my football picks. No, I just want to know about the snow. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I have no idea. What is this? You've always known. Well, this is one of those storms that could be flurries or it could be eight inches. Well, that would be a problem.

Yeah, so it's right now very much a work in progress, a let it play out scenario. Oh, you're getting soft in your old age. I don't know. You know, the more important thing if you're into snow like I am and winter weather, actually I've gotten to the point now, Tommy, where if it's not going to be snowing, I want it to be 60 degrees. Like today is windy and cold Yes It's windy and cold But we appear to be heading into a pattern here Over the next

Definitely over the next month Like the rest of January Into early February Where we're going to have a lot of snow And bad weather opportunities If you're into it like I am I'm into these big storms And for this weekend

There's a couple of things at work I love you know I'm on these weather message board with other, you know, faux meteorologists. And they're so convinced they've got it all figured out. And every model run is like this, you know, it's like this holiday that everybody celebrates. Here come the models. Here comes the Euro, the GFS, all of them.

And I got to get off those message boards because I'm basically listening and reading. I don't post ever. But most of the people don't know what they're talking about. I think we have some good meteorologists in town. Sue Palka, obviously, number one. I think Topper does a really good job at Channel 9, and Doug Kammer does a good job at Channel 4. So I should pay attention to them instead of you?

I just told you that, okay, you know what? I'll split the difference. I'll say for actually, this could be one of those storms where I end up with a little bit more than you do. You may be a little bit too far north. But I have to head into D.C. Saturday and Sunday morning. Why? To do the radio show with Andy.

So, you know, Saturday morning is not going to be a problem. Sunday morning would be the issue because I think most of it will fall Saturday night into Sunday during the day. And it could be an odd storm in that you could have it snowing for 24 hours, but just not heavily for 24 hours. You know, very lightly and then maybe a couple of bursts of more moderate snow that gives you two to four inches by the time it ends Sunday afternoon. That would be my guess right now, but the potential exists for eight and the potential exists for the forecast to completely bust and for us to end up with flurries to maybe an inch. I think you'll see snow this weekend. Okay, I might as well buy a copy of Farmers' Alman. Do you want some football picks?

Yeah, let's get going. We'll get to those later on. Actually, since this is the last day you're on this week, I do want your weekend picks. Okay. So we'll get to that later. we get to a lot of Redskins-related subjects today, including a coaching change yesterday. There was one. Well, the Redskins didn't say there was a coaching change. No, but it's been reported that there's been a coaching change. But they haven't announced there's a coaching change. So maybe,

maybe there is a dispute of sorts about the coaching change. Or maybe they don't know. Or perhaps they don't even know. Yes. We'll get to that in a moment. I did want to just mention, though, Marcus Howard's performance last night for Marquette in a game at Creighton. He went for 53 points in an overtime win at Creighton. The most points, Tommy, ever for a Big East player. Pearl Washington, Chris Mullen, Patrick Ewing. Think about all of the great Big East players. And this guy, he broke the record set by or tied by himself.

he did Marcus Howard went for 53 last night in Marquette's 106 to 104 overtime win at Creighton just so you know that's a big East game if you didn't know that Creighton was in the big east a lot of people you know don't even pay attention to conferences and affiliations anymore in the game he went 10 for 14 from behind the arc 15 of 26 from the field in total 13 of 15 from the free throw line had six assists too he's averaging over 25 a game and he's averaging like five or six assists a game as well he did have an amazing

nine turnovers in the game by one player in the game. Greatest nine turnover game ever. 53 points in the game, setting the Big East record. The record before was his record of 52. He set last year against Providence and Marshawn Brooks, I think,

had 52 was the other. Big East player with 52. This is the third time this season he scored at least 45. 45 twice. So he scored 52 points last year and he didn't come out. So he's not a prospect. He's a junior. He is a prospect.

And now he's definitely a prospect. And if you watch him play, he's got the quick release, the quick handle and the deadly, deadly jump shot. And he can get to the rim, too. There were a couple of things, though. Like, I was not watching that game last night. I'm a Big Ten guy. I was watching Big Ten basketball last night.

I was watching Rutgers. Damn it, I should have given Rutgers out. Did I tell you yesterday after the show about Rutgers? You didn't. Or the Wizards. Which one did I mention? You said the Wizards. Okay.

So I told you that the Wizards would win plus three and a half because they had gotten blown out the night before. And they were only getting three and a half last night at home. So I said to Aaron, did I say that on the show or not? I don't think it was on the show. Damn. I thought maybe I did mention it on the show. It might have been. But anyway.

Don't humor him, Aaron. The Wizards were a lock last night, as was Rutgers. Rutgers was only getting five at home against 16th ranked Ohio State, and Maryland had just gone into Rutgers. The final score, they won by 14, but they were up by 28 at one point. Maryland crushed Rutgers. It's actually now looking like a more impressive win after Rutgers beat Ohio State last night outright.

But back to Marquette and Marcus Howard last night. I didn't watch the game. I watched the highlights this morning. I don't understand sometimes how we have replay, and it's to be used to determine whether or not a shot got off in time. And it's not used properly. In this game last night, with 0.8 seconds left, let me back up. 0.8 seconds left, Creighton is up by 3, and they have the ball. They have the ball underneath their own bucket.

So they, underneath, I'm sorry, underneath Marquette's basket. So they're inbounding the ball with 0.8 up three. You got to win that game in regulation when you have the ball with 0.8. They threw the ball down the floor. No one touched it and it went out of bounds. So it's Marquette's ball back down at their end of the floor, which gave them an opportunity to get off a final shot. One quick thing.

Creighton is well-coached. Guy's been there forever. His son played for him. and it's a well-coached team, and I'm sure I don't know if he drew it up this way. But with 0.8 left, if you're up three, that ball should never be thrown in beyond the three-point line, ever. That ball should come in underneath the basket, hopefully one of your players who catches it gets fouled or the clock runs out, or if it gets picked off and they score, it's a two-point shot. So I'm not sure why they opted for what they opted for.

But anyway, Marquette gets the ball back with 0.8 left. They inbound the ball. This big white dude catches it and fires it and knocks in a three to tie the game to force overtime. They've got the picture on the unsports center. The ball is in his hands as the clock goes to triple zero's and the red light comes on. They go to, you know, on a final shot like that, it's always going to get looked at. And they said it was good. I mean, it wasn't good.

anybody that was that saw that. So how does that happen? I don't know. But anyway, it went to overtime. And then the dude Howard, he had 39 in regulation. He went for 14 in overtime, 53. You know, Sleepy Floyd was a high volume score, you know, in the NBA and at Georgetown was a big time score. But the guy that I would have definitely thought would have had a major high 40s or 50s game would have been Mullen. Mullen would have been the one. Or Pearl Washington. Yeah, Iverson, too. I mean, I'm sure he had a lot of big games. Pearl Washington had some 40-point-plus games. I think he had a 40-pointer in the Big East finals one year. But 53 in the game. All right, yesterday, Tommy, there are several Redskins subjects we're going to get to. We'll get to the coaching change here in a moment.

But I wanted to start with this because I talked about it yesterday. So I mentioned yesterday that it was the five-year anniversary of Jay Gruden's hiring, Tommy. and I thought about, you know, I mentioned a lot of things with respect to it, and I got some Twitter follow-up, which I'll read to you in a moment. But imagine if I told you five years ago yesterday that Jay Gruden would still be the head coach after five years. And not only that, that he got a contract extension in 2017 to coach through the 2020 season, what would you think the list of his accomplishments would include at this point? I would have thought at least two playoff wins. Two playoff wins. Remember, this is Dan Snyder.

Nobody had ever coached beyond four years. That was Gibbs. And it's Jay Gruden, and I'm telling you he is not only coming back for his sixth season as a coach under Dan Snyder in Washington, but that he got a contract extension along the way. This is the first thing that it would have indicated if we had had this conversation and I had said this is going to happen. He would have made RG3 work. RG3 would have been a pro bowler. That's number one.

Number two, he would clearly have had a winning record, right? Yes. He would have been Dan Snyder's first winning record quarterback. See, I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure we would have predicted he would have made RG3 work. I don't I'm so sure because that was the number one thing that he came in to do I know that but we didn't think RG3 could work I know that so we if that wasn't possible that's not what we would have projected but what we said at the time we would have both projected

that he that he made Kirk cousins a starter no because we both thought at the time that the only reason he got the job is he promised that he'd make RG3 work and we and we both thought that the owner if this guy couldn't make him work then he'd move on to the next guy. No, I think we would have, I would have thought, well, he figured out a way to get beyond RG3 and get Kirk Cousins in the game. A winning record for starters, you know, beyond the RG3 conversation, the first in the Dan Snyder era, not 35, 44, and one.

The playoffs three times in five years with three playoff wins. Three playoff wins. I have two. This is what I would have said in our conversation five years ago on the sports fix when Jay Gruden got hired, if somebody said to us, guess what, this dude's going to be here for five years, and he's going to be coming back for a sixth with a contract extension taking him through seven. I would have said three playoff visits in five years and three playoff wins, maybe three wild card weekend wins with, you know, three divisional round losses, you know, this weekend losses.

Well, you know, maybe we were just a little too demanding. Maybe that was it. Maybe we just, a little bit too demanding of the head coach. Maybe we're not as hard as Dan Snyder is. Can you imagine, though, if we had said, if somebody had said to us, oh, by the way, he's going to be back for sixth the year with a 35, 44 and one record, one playoff game and no wins. You would have bet your life's savings that that was not true.

Not going to happen. So a tweet that I want to read to you on this topic, came from one of my favorite people who tweet me, because I can always count on him being wrong about everything. But this tweet actually isn't totally wrong. Just misplaced a little bit. It's from my guy Schofield on Twitter. Yeah, I read your stuff.

Gee, next January will be the 10-year anniversary of the hiring of Mike Shanahan. Can't wait to hear the verbal acrobatic gymnastics you perform when you reminisce on that abject failure. sure and bring up his 375 winning percentage. Yes, you know what? He had a 375 winning percentage. He was 24 and 40. He won one division title, lost a playoff game. But do you read that as like an implication that somehow Mike Shanahan is less than or equal to Jay Gruden? I'm just curious. Do you read it that way? I think it's a defense against your criticism of Jay Gruden. Okay. Do you think that by bringing up Mike Shanahan's record, would he,

is indicating my man Schofield on Twitter is that basically you're going to protect and you're going to defend Shanahan but he's worse than Gruden. Yeah. Record wise. Okay. Yeah. From a record standpoint as a coach here in Washington,

it's true. You know, Jay Gruden's record in Washington as a head coach under Dan Snyder is actually just barely worse than what Joe Gibbs' record was. Yes, it is. Under Dan Snyder. Gibbs 2.0 was 30. and 34, 468 winning percentage. Gruden's is 443. So by extension, I'm just curious, who here

thinks Jay Gruden is a better coach than Mike Shanahan? And who thinks he's comparable to Joe Gibbs? Seriously. Like, that's stupid to even think that Mike Shanahan's record here makes him somehow less of a coach than Jay Gruden. He's not saying that. What he's saying is you need to temper your criticism of Jay Gruden's record because look at Mike Shannon's record. You don't know the guy that there are also, there's always, this is all about Shanahan. There's always context and

circumstance and you know, I don't know something. The farther away we get, the less impressed I am with Mike Shanahan. Okay, whatever. That's fine. He's not, Jay Gruden is not a better coach than Mike Shanahan. No, he's not. I mean, nobody has won here over the last 20 years under

Snyder. Nobody. Nobody's got a winning record. Mike's a much better coach than Gruden. Joe is a much better coach than Gruden. I don't need to use their records as head coaches in Washington under one of the worst owners in NFL history as a way to talk me out of that. Is Norv Turner a worst coach and Jay? Well, Norv wasn't really, Norv had one year with, uh, it's not, but it's just general. Um, because I think they're the same guy. I think Norv, I didn't know. I think Norv's a better coach. I think Norv's definitely a better offensive coordinator and offensive mind. I think that's been proven over the years. Norve's always been

sought out to be an offensive coordinator regardless of his head coaching. And by the way, he got more head coaching opportunities. Yes, he did. Multiple. And actually took the chargers to the AFC title game. To the AFC title game. But Norv was not a great coach. No. And Jay Gruden is not a great coach. I think they have a similar makeup in that probably went the Peter principle. They got promoted beyond their level. Yeah. They're both offensive coordinators. And they're both,

they're just both too easy go along. Slap happy, Jay. Slap happy guys. All right, the next topic discussed yesterday that I wanted to bring up with you because I know you'll love this one.

The thought, and you get this on Twitter and social media as well, the thought that somehow the Redskins' doom and gloom is media provoked, is a result of the media's distaste and anger and dislike for the Redskins. The media wants the Redskins to fail, and that's why the fan base has turned. I reacted to that yesterday, and I got several people that tweeted and said,

yes, it's all the media. It's all your fault. One guy said, and you're a chief instigator of it. And I just, where does that come from? Well, you know what? I like the idea that people have all of a sudden decided that the media is important in affecting their football team. I mean, basically, when you think about what they're saying is things that come out in the media are impacting their team on the field.

That's what they're saying. Well, I think it's impacting the way people view the team. That's what they're saying. By the way, this is clearly a minority of people. Listen, when you're talking about Redskins fans, you're talking about a minority of people now. Okay? I mean, really, we're down to the bare bones. You're doing it right now.

I know that, but you're down to the bare bones now. You are down to the core. This is not an army. This is not a massive choir of people singing this song. these are the Harvest Fest fans. You're still sick, aren't you? Yes, I am. You got some stuff going on in there.

Yeah, I am. I can hear it in your voice. I am. But I'm here, ain't I? Yes, you are. You always show up. All right. So, I mean, I like the idea that they realize the impact of media because that's what I've

been trying to say. This is why it's important to know how your actions will be affected in the media. That said, the Redskins have more sense. self-inflicted wounds than any sports organization I've ever seen. I mean, this is, how many times I have to say the aura of self-destruction? I mean, it's ridiculous. It's repetitious. They create their own controversies.

Yeah, I mean, they're just, you know, if you just want to take it literally from someone who says the media, it's the media's fault that the fan base is so disenchanted with their football team. because they're so negative, they're so difficult, they're so tough. There are two inherent problems with that, with that thesis. First of all, the media benefits significantly when local teams win, significantly, from all local teams, not just its NFL team. So, you know, on some level, it's just a, that's just a theory too, because we actually don't know when it comes to the Redskins.

We haven't been able to test the theory. Right. We've had brief interludes. Right. There have been brief moments of limited success, and it's been good for business when that's happened. But we really, it's really like their thesis or their theory is the media has created this doom and gloom because they hate the Redskins. What I'm saying is inherent that the media would benefit from the Redskins being great is also a theory because it's not been tested in the last 27 years. Right.

But I think we both know enough to know that if they were consistently great, that would be much better for business. Yes, it is. The other part of it that's inherently, you know, sort of in conflict with the thesis that the media is somehow responsible for all of the Redskins, doom and gloom. And let me just mention this, Tommy. This is something the team itself has felt at times, that it's a media-fueled issue. that the dislike or the disgust for the team is media fuel. They believe this. I've heard them say this.

I know that. But most organizations, when they come to that realization, try to fix it. Right. But the other inherent issue that is in conflict with that is that, at least as it relates to sports talk radio, which is, you know, an hours upon hours every day of the week, long form, you know, medium. different than newspapers, different than blogs. But most of us that have done that, you're still doing it, I'm now doing a podcast, are fans of the team and want them to win. Like, I don't know if that's the case in every market.

I think in most major markets, that's the case. I think most of the people that end up on sports talk radio are fans of the local teams. Not everybody. You weren't. You're not from here. You've covered the team since 1991. So, you know, Tony isn't from here, but he covered and wrote about the team for years. But when you think about just our old station, well, even your news station, most of the guys there are Redskins fans.

I do the show with Chad Dukes. He's a big Redskins fan. So Zabe, Andy, me, then you've got the former players like Doc, Cooley, and Brian, you know, Galdi, everybody that's been Scott Jackson, all of us have been die-hard fans. and have yearned for the days that they would start winning again. So, you know, that's part of the, you know, your thesis, your theory falls flat on its ass because it's not good for business, and most of the people that you might be referring to are actually fans of the team. So it's sort of hard to come up with the case that the media is seeking. But let me just mention two other things that I mentioned yesterday.

The team has fueled this because they feel it. Their coaches recently, Gruden, Shanahan, and Zorn, all at various points in time. Mike's told me this before. Felt like D.C. was a really difficult and highly critical media. And fan base. They spoke about the fans, too. Very tough fan base, too. And I think that that is because of where they came from more than anything else.

Cincinnati, Denver, Seattle. Absolutely. You know, if they had come from New York, Philadelphia, or Boston or Chicago, they would have been, this is easy. Yeah. So I think that that is, you know, it's not a, it's not a highly, I said yesterday, we're not, we're not, we're not, nobody here is a mouthpiece for the organization. Nobody rolls over and plays dead when it comes to the organization, but it's far from a highly combative media. Kevin. Wouldn't you agree with that?

For one thing, I like me, I look, I've been saying for years. again, there's part of me that likes this because in a way, they're recognizing that it's all connected. They're recognizing that there's a connection. But it is. It's all connected. It is to a certain degree, but Brian Lafamina wasn't going to create more wins. No, he wasn't.

But he was going to create more of an atmosphere that might have driven people to the stadium that might have helped the team play a little bit better and not have to want to play on the road instead of at their home field. Right. If it's a media controversy, it's a controversy because it affects the entire organization. And if the team doesn't understand this, they're going to continue to suffer from it. That said, this is the softest Redskins Media Corps I've ever seen. The softest.

I mean, come on. There's not a Jason Reed in the bunch. There's not a Jason Lock and Four in the bunch. You are. I know that, but but nobody reached a paper. But I don't cover the team. I know, but as a columnist, you are. I get that.

I think you are. I think you are, I mean, whatever, I'm not going to sit here and, and tout you more than I ever have before. But I think you, I think sometimes you, you can tend, you can get stuck on one thing and go overboard. but 90% of the time, I think you're spot on and you're fearless. And I love your columns because they take about three minutes to read. But, I mean, as far as an antagonistic media coverage, not this group. No. Look, listen, the Redskins signed.

You're talking about reporters that cover the team. Yes. The Redskins signed Adrian Peterson. That's fine. Adrian Peterson was in the league. I understand that. He was in the league before in Arizona. Right.

So that's fine. After the incident with his child. Okay. In every story that you read from the local media when they signed him, not one word was written about the fact that this guy was suspended for almost a full season for beating his son. You read about his MVP. You read about his yards. You didn't read about that.

It's the fourth or fifth paragraph in his obituary. and there wasn't a mention. That's how soft this media is in this town. I, you know, I don't know that I'd call it super soft, but it's certainly not a tough market. It's not a tough media market. There are people here that I think report on the team and do a decent job doing it.

What are you looking at? All right, there was a coaching change yesterday. Ben Kotwika. Well, we don't know there was a coaching change. Coach Kotwika. You know, the Atlanta Falcons say there was a coaching change. Okay, the Atlanta Falcons announced yesterday they've hired Ben Cutweka.

And I don't want to be antagonistic, so I don't want to believe just the Falcons. I mean, the Redskins haven't told us. All right. So I'm going to wait until the Redskins tell us. My guess is that Cutweka is actually gone. These reports are true. What's ironic about it is that, you know, for a couple of years, his special teams weren't really much of a strength for the team. And this year was by far and away the strength of the team.

The punter, the kicker, the coverage units, the whole thing. It was part of the formula. It was a good defense, not turning a ball over. Good special teams. And good special teams. So, you know, I've mentioned about the coaching changes that I expected to happen this week. That's not one that I was expecting. It's not one I was expecting.

I'm still expecting something with Bill Callahan, who is still under contract, but I'm still expecting something with him, a change there. I've heard that Jim Tom Sula may, you know, may decide to move on or hang it up at this point. The Cutweka thing, I am hearing that he is not the only coach that looks at the situation here. I'll try not to media fuel this. That is, you know, ready to move on from this mess. And be in, and, and, you know, and, you know, and a more stable organization. There's another coach we drove away. The media drove away.

Another coach we drove away. We did it again. You know, that Bruce keeps hiring them and we keep kicking them out. But somehow we can't get Bruce run out of here. I'd be really surprised if Bill Callahan is back as the offensive line coach. I think there are a couple of other position coaches offensively. I think the problem now, look, this is what I was going to get to. this. The problem is, is I think organizationally, there are changes they would like to make.

But what they are facing is what the media has created for them, which is no one wants to come here. Yes. You know? Another, another thing we've done. The power of the media. No, but seriously. We have built a wall. Seriously. You know what? We built a wall. We built a wall around Redskins Park. We finally got the wall built. Yes. And nobody can get in. And Nancy Pelosi's. And nobody. I can get out. Because I told her about the wall yesterday around Redskin Park and she walked right out of the meeting. Except Ben Kawika managed to climb over the wall. Actually, it would have been me, I guess, in that particular analogy that would have walked out of the meeting after 30 minutes.

Anyway, I think what is going on is that they have now really felt rock bottom. That they, and I guarantee you they don't think it's their own fault. but, you know, Bulls wouldn't, Greg Williams is the next one that's not going to come here, more likely than not. And the big reason why Greg Williams isn't going to come here, this is my theory, I have not heard anything. And you know if you've been listening to this podcast,

how much I want Greg Williams to be here. I'd like him to be the head coach. But I'll take him as the defensive coordinator, coach and waiting, perhaps. But they don't want, they don't want to feel uncomfortable with a coach. They don't want coaches pushing back. That's why Jay,

perfect for them. He's go along to get along. He himself is coachable. That's what they want. Greg Williams is the opposite of that, which is why I don't think that they will even entertain that. Bruce Allen, if he's still here, and we're going to get to the whole conversation of really as we speak here this morning, it is the status quo coming back. Yeah. But, you know, if Alan is here, and we know that Dan Snyder doesn't want, you know, pushback, they don't want to ever be told they're wrong. No, never. So this is why Jay Gruden has fit in perfectly over the years, because he is, you know, slap happy Jay, great dude, go along to get along, easy, coachable, not going to make anybody uncomfortable. Hey, he's pleasant to be around. Totally pleasant to be around. So I think

the Kotweka thing, you know, we have talked for a while about how this is not a desirable place to come unless you don't have any other choices. Now we have to enter. the possibility that coaches that are currently here, they don't want to be here either. Yes. And I think that that is, from what I have heard, the situation with Kotweka, is that it's gotten to a point that it's, you know, he's ready to move on to something a little bit more stable. And I would assume that there are others too, but the guys that are under contract, like Callahan, who I think they want to move on from, who are they going to get to replace him?

Who would take his job? That may be part of the problem right now with coaching staff, you know, changes that they may want or they may desire. The problem is what's the solution? I talked to, you know, Happablap over here in Minnesota. He doesn't want to come here. This guy over in Atlanta, he doesn't, no one wants to come here. That's how they wound up with Greg Minnowski as their defense. It's kind of how they ended up with Jay Gruden.

It's how they ended up with Jim Zorn. Yes, it's definitely how they ended up with Jim Zorn. So this is all, again, I'm sure it's the media's fault. I'll stop that, because that'll be annoying, I know. But this is part of their issue now, is they have become, they've created this incredible toxic environment that nobody of quality wants to be a part of if they've got better options. Well, isn't that obvious to everybody?

No, not everybody. Not them. I'm sure this is a surprise to them. But it's obvious to most people, of course. I brought it up a number of times, but it fits this. It's the perfect example of this. Ben McAdoo, who was a disaster as the New York Giants coach. But here's a guy who coached in the league, coached in the NFC East. And he was asked before the season to evaluate the NFC East. When he got to Washington, he said, Washington's Washington. That tells you the image within the football industry of this organization.

You think it's gotten better since before the season? No, I don't. Of course this is something that we've all known for a long time. Not everybody seems to know it. You know what? I mean yesterday. You know what? Those 10 Redskins fans left, they don't seem to know it.

Yesterday, this, you remember Michael Lombardi? Oh, yeah. So he was on your station. He was on with Grant and Danny, I think. Okay, so here's the quote that I read this morning. He was on with Grant and Danny. Michael Lombardi, former NFL executive, really hasn't been much of an NFL executive for a long period of time.

I know he consulted, I think, a little bit in Cleveland recently. Quote, on the Redskins, quote, they have no culture in Washington. Let's be real honest. If I was Dan Snyder, I'd get on an airplane, and I'd go down to see Clemson, head coach, Dave O'Sweeney and I'd offer him 15 million a year for 10 years and tell him to run my team and I'd win. They have no culture.

They haven't had a culture since Snyder's been here. He's anti-culture. He's all about players not developing culture. And Bruce has been the general manager under the disguise as a football guy. And let's face it, Bruce never did any football with the Raiders when I worked there. He wasn't even in the draft meetings when we were there. He never was involved in player personnel. You get what you want, and I think that's what they got.

I always love, like what you just said, didn't we already know that? Like, I love when these things get a lot of attention. It's like, yeah, tell me something I don't know. Like, we've been here for all of it. We've witnessed every day of it. We know it. And I'm sure he's asked the question. He's going to answer it.

I'm not criticizing him for providing an answer. But I love how people make such a big deal over the answer. like it's somehow a revelation. But he's right. I mean, that's what Dan Snyder should do. Go down, go to go see Davo Sweeney, give them $15 million a year for 10 years, and then disappear from the country for that 10 years. I wouldn't do that.

If I had 15 million, I'd go to Michigan and give it to Jim Harbaugh. Really? To Davo Sweeney. Damn right. Yeah, I mean, I... But Jim Harbaugh is a burnout. I love... He's a burnout guy.

I mean, I love Davo, and I mentioned this the other day, you know, Little old Clemson. Little old Clemson. Yeah, Powerhouse Clemson. He's a burnout guy, Jim Harbaugh. Dabo's got great talent. Here's what you, the college to the pro thing, this Cliff King's very, higher is strange. But the, because he hasn't even really won at the college level. The college to pro thing, Tommy, the big difference is you've got to really be able to coach. Because the talent.

No, you don't. Because you don't have significant talent differences. One of the things that Spurrier realized when he got to the NFL is that he didn't have superior talent to 10 out of the 12 opponents on his roster. And therefore, the talent being such a fine line difference between, you know, the teams in the NFL because of the draft and the order of the draft and free agency and salary cap and all that stuff. You've got to really be able to coach.

What does coach mean to you in the NFL? Jim Harbaugh's, won everywhere he's gone at the pro level, at the college level. And to me, it's his, he has a way of creating a culture. You may not like his culture. That's not coaching. Oh, yeah, it is. I mean, it is, but it is. That's coaching in the NFL now, but it's not X's and O's culture. But you can't win at the NFL level the way he won 44 and 19 over four seasons without being a a good X's and O's head coach. No, you can recognize people who are good X's and O's.

You have to be the CEO. You have to be able to have a big picture attitude as a head coach. Where are you getting? You just don't like Jim Harbaugh? No, I'm not talking about Jim Harbaugh. I'm talking about you saying, if you're going to be an NFL head coach now, the transition from college to pro,

you really got to know how to coach. I'm not, that's an unfair. knock on Dabo Sweeney, who I think is a very good coach. I think Jim Harbaugh, though, is a proven pro coach. My point is, coaching does not necessarily mean knowing how to draw up the first 15 plays on your opening script. That's not necessarily just coaching. It goes beyond that. Jim Harbaugh has won at every level of coaching and every kind of coaching that he's been a part of. Am I right? Yeah, but he's a burnout guy. Okay. Would you take four years of three NFC champions? games in a row and a Super Bowl.

I don't think he gets you there. He did with another terrible owner in York in a bad organization. I don't think he gets you there. I think he's got, it's precisely his type, and they'd have to step outside of their comfort zone to hire somebody like him, you know, like they did, you know, way back in the day with Marty,

and to a much lesser extent with Mike, because Mike is viewed as a player's coach. Yes. than a hard-ass disciplinarian. Marty and Jim Harbaugh are cut from the same cloth. But Marty, I mean, but Mike was a culture change move.

It was because he came with Bruce too. Yeah, but it was a culture change. It was an attempt. The whole Albert Haynesworth's line in the sand was a culture change signal. No, I understand that. It was an attempt to be a better owner. Yes. But really at this point, given that

his old way of overspending hasn't worked and his new way of underspending with somebody who doesn't know anything about what he's doing football-wise hasn't worked. I'd rather him go out and find somebody that can create the discipline, the structure, and the culture on his own when it comes to the football team and the football operation. But can we agree on this? That he'd have a chance at doing this. It doesn't matter who coaches his team?

Yeah, I mean, that's part of it too. I mean, it would have to, I mean, you'd have to, if you were a Harbaugh or a Davos-Sweeney or anybody, you'd have to have now, given all of the evidence, you would have to have it in the contract that he can't interfere. And if he does, and it'd have to be spelled out in granular detail about what interference means and what destructive behavior means to the football operation, he'd have to pay them off and let them leave and pay them even more than he was contractually obliged to pay him if they stayed as a coach.

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still the only two left. Or Cincinnati. I was going to say, the Jets. Adam Gays. So it's Cincinnati and Miami. Yes. That's it. By the way, the Jets, and I just pulled this up as we were sitting here talking,

the Jets are considering Greg Williams as the defensive coordinator there. Yeah, that seems like a likely scenario right now. So right now it is, with the exception of Ben Kotweka, it's status quo. Yeah. It is status quo. How in God's name are they going to sell the status quo? What will opening day home opener, let's say it's the Jets. They have the Jets as a home game in 2019.

What if the Jets are coming in here on September, whatever it is, 10th? Sunday for a 1 o'clock game. If Bruce Allen is still the team president, we know that Jay Gruden is still going to be the head coach, and Greg Minnowski is still the defensive coordinator. And it's the same group, and Colt McCoy is starting the opener, how many people are going to be in that stadium?

About the same amount of Redskins fans that were there for the last home game. About 10,000. There are about 10,000 Redskins fans in the stands for that last home game. Given if my, if my home game opener played out that way, it was the Jets. And the Mock's schedules will be done on the podcast in April shortly before the schedule is released. But if it's the Jets, it would be a jet crowd.

Because the jet fans would come down to the opener. They're excited about Sam Donald and they got a new coach. Yeah. Okay. So I mean, what are the things that excite fans, a new coach, a new quarterback? And that's where I was going with this. Okay. Kyler Murray yesterday, the Heisman trophy winner, reports are that he's going to enter his name into the NFL draft and bypass Major League Baseball.

He was drafted by the Oakland A's. Right. Kyler Murray, more likely than not, based on his size, 5-9, or whatever he is, based on his size, will not be a top 10 pick, probably won't be a top 20 pick, which means that he would be available for the Redskins. at 15 to make him a top 20 pick. Kyler Murray would be the old move. I don't know if it's the Bruce move. Because remember, if Bruce is still here, Bruce is going to be saying, no, Alex is going to be fine.

And we'll have Alex back in week seven, and we just got to get Colt. Colt's going to be good, too, because he's healthy too. We're going to be fine with Colt. Cole will get us to 3 and 3, and Alex will be back for the last 10 games. If Bruce is here, I don't think that they would take the quarterback. I don't think they'll think long-term about the quarterback.

but what could the team do to generate minimal interest when there is none if it's status quo and everybody's coming back? Well, if Kyle and Murray is drafted and Colt McCoy is still on the team and healthy, Colt McCoy is starting the opener. And you know this because with Kyler Murray is better than Colt McCoy. Because Jake Rudin is not going to start a rookie quarterback over Colt. Colt McCoy. He didn't even want to start Kirk Cousins over Colt McCoy. He's not going to start a rookie quarterback over Colt. Oh, it is true. I'm not going to, I'm not going to do, we've done this many times. But it is true. Except that he didn't. It is true. Except that he didn't start Colt McCoy. He started Kirk Cousins. No, I know that, but that was the only thing they could sell to the owner.

Oh, okay. Actually, I think that's the thing they didn't want to have to sell to the owner. They would have rather sold Colt McCoy. No, they hated Kurt McCoy. But they couldn't sell Colt McCoy to the owner. I mean, I can't believe you, you keep, you keep believing this. Oh, I can't believe you keep believing this. This is one of these things that you just sort of make up in your own head about the way it was and the way it played out. We, we both agree that nobody other than Dan wanted Robert Griffin the third to be the starting quarterback. Kirk Cousins and Colt McCoy were essentially in a battle. And yes, Jay likes Colt a lot. But Jay thought Kirk gave him a much better chances of the starter in 2015 than Colt did.

I know you believe that. I know that. And I know just the opposite. No, you don't. Yes, I do. No, you don't. You don't know anything about that. Oh, really? Really? Why are we doing this? We've done this too many times. What about just... Because you can't help yourself. Help myself. I know that to be true. And I know the opposite to be true. Then why didn't Colt McCoy start? Because Scott McLuhan could not go in and convince Dan Snyder

that Robert Griffin should be replaced with Colt McCoy. Why? Because Kirk Cousins was a, was a, not an unproven disaster yet, like Colt McCoy had been. What I mean, Cole had led them to their biggest win the year before. I know that, but, but he had, he had, he had the reputation as a backup quarterback. He was a sparring partner. And you were going to ask the owner to make the sparring partner the champ. The last time we had seen Kirk Cudson, he had soiled himself in a game against the Titans. I grant you that. But if Kirk Cousins was not proven not to have an upside yet at that point.

Why do you think you know this? Because I know the opposite is true. Who did you talk to that told you the opposite? Who did you talk to? I'm not going to tell you who I talked to. Well, I'm not going to tell you who I talked to. Okay. It's just that this is the first time you know that I've known about this and this is the first time you've said, how I know. I talk to somebody who's closer than you. Okay. All right. That makes no sense in general. Right, it makes a lot of sense. Okay, let's just say that somehow... In other words, anybody but Robert Griffin III, that was the mission.

That was what they were trying to do. Right. And the only one they felt they could sell was Kirk cousins. But again, that doesn't make any sense. That makes perfect sense. No, it doesn't make any sense. It absolutely does. Colt McCoy had started and it performed much better the year before.

Yeah, but hey. Kirk had soiled himself in his last opportunity. against Tennessee. Nobody. Nobody in the NFL. And Colt led him to their biggest win as a 10-point underdog in Dallas on a Monday night.

You're delusional about this. Nobody. I'm not delusional about what I felt about Colt. I did not think Colt was better than Kirk. Nobody thought in the NFL that Colt McCoy was a better quarterback than Kirk Cousins. You couldn't sell that to anybody.

Oh, Tommy. You're missing some pieces here that make your position make no sense. First of all, Dan Snyder couldn't even look at Kirk Cousins, you know, because he was drafted by Mike Shanahan. And Snyder

didn't want cousins, didn't like cousins, associated him with Mike Shanahan and the ugliness that befelled his favorite son, Robert Griffin III. Made everybody it was the worst possible move ever, didn't like him,

wouldn't even talk to him in the locker room, after the Cleveland game that particular season when he came in because he had been pushing for Robert to play before the game started. Mike told us that story that day when we did the interview with Mike. Colt, if Jay really thought that Colt was the better option to start 2015, which by the way, he wasn't, all right? That's not the point. That's not the point, but he wasn't. if he really wanted him to start, Colt would have been worst case equal to the cell, better case, a much easier sell to the owner.

You really are way off based on that. I don't think I am. I think you are. I don't think I am. I think most people out there would say, if you turn the clock back to 2014 and you've got to sell one of those quarterbacks, Kirk Cousins is easier.

Look, every day on radio, I was saying to you, Colt McCoy's not a starter, not a starter, not a starter. And you were like, what do you know he is a starter? He should get the opportunity. I'm like, he's a sick. No, I never said that. Well, you liked Colt McCoy a lot. I know that, but I know.

Okay, you didn't agree with me. You just backtracked. You didn't agree with me. What do you mean? I never said that he should be the starter. And you just said, yeah, but you just said you, but you liked him a lot. Hold on for a second. I never said he should be the starter.

Hold on for a second. You're right. Because the starter conversation, we were all blown away by, Jay's Kurt Cousins will be the starter for 2015 the whole year. That was a shocker. Remember, at the time. So we didn't even know really that there was an actual competition, because I think everybody assumed that Robert would be given the chance at least early in the season. All I'm saying is that I didn't think Colt McCoy was ever a starter in the NFL,

and I still don't. I don't think he's a starter, and you do, and you do. And Jay Gruden does. That's what I was trying to say. And Jay Gruden does. I think Jay Gruden does. Yes, but I don't think Jay Gruden thought Colt McCoy was a better option than Kirk Cousins in 2015. I think it was the option he wanted. I don't. Okay. I don't think it was the option he wanted.

And if it were the option he wanted, and somehow there was between Bruce and Scott and Jay and Sean. Now, let me point out, he didn't have a problem with Kirk Cousins being the starter, but it was not the option. Let me just finish my. point. If, let's just say, between Sean and McLuhan and Bruce and Jay, that they all decided can't start Griffin. I mean, we will be horrible if we start him. And let's just say Jay's like, look, I think Colt can start, I think Kirk can start, I think both of them could do a great job starting. And let's just say the other two, the other three said, I think it's Kirk more than Colt. I don't think that they

I don't think they started Kirk It's a long way of getting to this I don't think Kirk got the starting nod Because he was easier to sell to the owner That doesn't make any sense And I've been told the opposite I think they started Kirk Because whether it was Jay or the group of them

Without Dan decided that he was the better quarterback So you're including Bruce Allen in that To start Or did they have to sell Bruce Allen as well. Because that's what I was told. Yeah, you're right. I mean, between Jay and Scott and Sean, they first had to convince Bruce, but apparently it wasn't so difficult to convince Bruce that RG3 was a losing proposition as a starter. But they did have to do that. Yes. I think they did. I just know that it wasn't about selling the, that Kirk was easier to sell. That's our debate here.

Right. That's our debate. You believe that the only reason Kirk Cousins got a chance to start 2015 is because, he was easier to sell to the owner, and it was in conflict with what Jay wanted, and Jay wanted to start Colt. I don't believe that to be true, but even if that were true, I think the consensus was outside of Snyder that Kirk is the best option, but it wasn't about what was easiest to sell to the owner. Colt would have been just as easy, if not easier, to sell to the owner, who could not stand Kirk Cousins back then. Absolutely not. He, I mean, in everyone's eyes, Colt McCoy was a backup quarterback. He still is.

Kirk was the guy that not only the owner disliked, but his favorite son, RG3 disliked. But he was still... RG3 would have loved to have C.A., if I'm not going to start, I'd rather have Colt start. But he was still seen as a quarterback with potential. Colt McCoy, the potential bus had passed him by based on the perception around the league.

All right. Back to what started this conversation is I just don't. think there is any chance. I don't think, of course, I didn't think we'd be here on January 10th without, you know, some sort of major announcement. You know, I thought that Bruce would get reassigned or fired or something and there would be coaching staff changes. But here we are, and the only piece of news is Tori and Gray's gone and Bencott Week is gone. How do you know Torian Gray's gone? They haven't announced that. That was reported too. But they haven't announced it. You know what? Are you going to rely on them to announce everything?

Well, I mean, I'm trying to bend over backwards to give them the benefit of the doubt. That's true. That's a good job by you to make sure that this isn't, you know, a media fuel. Right. I mean, I don't want to be responsible for driving these guys away. But can you, like, where are they going to, they've got to do something. If they, if they come, right now, if you came back with Alex Smith on the Pupplist and Colt McCoy's your starting quarterback and they signed, you know, they had another, you know, unimpressive free agency. off-season. No big, you know, a Bruce Allen type of free agency off-season.

And they drafted an offensive lineman in the first round. And they, everybody's coming back. And they're, now look, they have shown some patience, you know? I guess, if you

want to describe it that way, they've been patient. But the fire Bruce Allen hashtag is telling you that what's left of the people that are still passionate, now they're not coming next year. That's true. Now those people aren't coming.

So you're right. Well, you won't end up with an Eagles credit. It'll be half filled, and it'll be, it'll be 38,000, 40,000 people in the park, 45,000 in the park, and 25,000 will be jet fans. Yeah, it probably will. But we got, if it's the jets, it could be the 49ers. We went down the Colt McCoy path. God, what if they open?

What did they open with the Eagles? And it was another Eagles home crowd. That would be, that would be, you know, the NFL would probably do that to them. Yeah, they would. And they would deserve it. We opened this with the idea that the only thing that they can sell is a change of coach or to change a quarterback. Right. And you talked about drafting Kyle or Murray.

Right. I'm saying they won't start him if they draft him. Well, I mean, just drafting him, though, and having it out there. is the possibility that Kyler Murray and not putting him out there on opening day and well I mean that would be that would be a an outrage

topic of the day but if they drafted him in late April at 15 overall or let's say they were genius and they traded back and they picked up an extra second and they took him at 24 overall or something you know something that they never really

figure out that that's what's left you know, if they're coming back with all, you know, all significant pieces in place, what's left is an addition, and the addition would be a quarterback in the draft. And I mentioned Kyler Murray because they're not going to have a chance for Dwayne Haskins. He could potentially go number one overall, certainly top, you know, 10 pick, worst case. And Greer and Locke may be gone by the time we get to 15. But drafting Greer or Locke at 15 would also create some,

Some interest, you know, it would be helpful to them. Murray would be the one, though. The guy that was absolutely thrilling to watch play football, especially after watching what Mayfield did this year. People see him and they see Russell Wilson. They do, and he's smaller than Russell Wilson. He's actually two to three inches smaller than Russell Wilson. Yeah.

Kyler Murray's, Aaron, look up his height. I think it's like 5-8 or 5-9, right? I've seen different things. It seems to fluctuate, depend. I've seen as tall as 510. Wikipedia officially has it as 511. Yeah, that's not true. Yeah, that's not true.

I think on, let me see where he has it on the Oklahoma website. It is 510 listed on Oklahoma. 510. Is Russell Wilson listed at 511 or 6 feet? I don't think he's listed at 6 feet. 511. 511, okay. And what's Baker Mayfield listed?

He's 6 feet, right? Like he's listed at 6 feet? maybe. See 6-1 there. Let's see, 6-1, according to the ESPN. Yeah, Murray's super short. Murray's Flutie short. I know.

But I always thought Doug Flutty never got a fair shake in the NFL. I thought he could have been a starting NFL quarterback for years. Well, he wasn't for years, but he was in different spots in different times. Buffalo. So I never thought he got a, I never buy into. Chicago. I mean, if a guy's that talented, I mean, I don't particularly care how tall he. is. How many teams did Doug Flutie start for? Because I want to say at least four or five teams,

right? That he ended up having the opportunity. That's why I'm pulling this up. Remember, he started in the playoffs against the Redskins with the Bears when he was super young. Right. He had 12 starts in New England. With Buffalo, too. He had 25, 30, 30 starts in Buffalo. and he had 16 starts in San Diego. You know what his career record is as a starter? I'm betting it's a winning record. It is. 3828, 2828 and nothing.

Again, he didn't get a fair shape. 86 touchdowns, 68 interceptions. You know, had a low completion percentage. Look, I always thought he was fun to watch, and he was just an athlete and a player. He made plays. Yeah. You know what?

It would be great of Colt McCorm. could play like Doug Flutie. Yes, it would. That would be awesome. But again, the Colt McCoy discussion came up because I think even if they draft Kyle and Murray, Jay will start Colt McCoy on opening day. That would go over really well. Yes. You know, now, I mean, we'll watch the progress and then there will be these preseason, you know, exhibition games.

And if there's that, you know, a player or two that he makes, it's going to be like, why are we even wasting our time starting Colt McCoy? You might as well start with this dude right now. what they did in Seattle with Matt Castle and Russell Wilson. It wasn't Matt Castle. It was Matt Flynn. Matt Flynn. They paid a bunch of money to. Yes.

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And they went out, what a crazy thing. Yeah, what a nutty thing. I'm sure the analytics people saw that one coming. That makes Maryland's win over Rutgers look pretty damn impressive because I actually thought Rutgers was pretty good when Maryland played them. You could see the talent they got in foul trouble and game got out of hand. What do you think of Maryland right now after their win over Minnesota? Well, back-to-back road wins against, you know, Minnesota is different than Rutgers just in terms of how they're sort of seen.

You know, they've been injured and they've gotten a bunch of their guys back. So that 15-point road win sort of looks different than maybe the Rutgers' win does in a sense the Rutgers win looks different because they should have won by like 25 I mean they led by much more throughout but you're right about the Rutgers win in this way they don't lose in that building like that they normally are pretty competitive there they beat a good Ohio state team there last night so you you beat Nebraska in a game you had to have another sort of one of those coin flip games and they were ranked at the time and then you win back-to-back road games by by double digits and now you come home with for two against indiana

in Wisconsin. And I know the students are with, and I know, you know, traffic, excuse, excuse, excuse. I really hope they get a good building on Friday night for a ranked Indiana team with a guy on Romeo Langford who's a lottery pick or whatever. But who cares about them? You should come out and support this team because they're young and they're clearly getting better. You've got a bunch of the guys that are coming off the bench and Sorrell Smith, Ricky Lindo, who are a couple of guys they got late in the process to go along with Wiggins, who was a highly regarded recruit, who are coming in and contributing in significant ways in meaningful moments to go along with. Callum, and Bray, Bruno's been really, really consistent throughout.

Obviously, Jalen Smith is going to be a pro as well. So, I mean, just in this early stage of January, there's a million little things, all of which are really encouraging. And I know this, and I'm sorry, I'm rambling, but I think a lot of fans have had frustration. about, well, what's Tergent doing in game like this or that adjustment? What he did the other night going to that zone against Minnesota and flipping the defenses back and forth had Minnesota totally flustered, and he coached his ass off the other night against Minnesota.

So right now, we've got no excuse not to go Friday and cheer this team more. A lot of things to want it to cheer forth. It was the other night you told me not to text you because you went to the funeral for the Purdue kid, and you were record, yeah, for Tyler, and you were recording the game, and you told me not to text you in game, because you, did you make it back without knowing what the score was, and you were able to watch the game without knowing or not? I did, I did, which is always the weirdest thing, because I'm curious, do other people

are it as odd as I am? Because I'm watching it, and I'm still nervous, it's like, it's midnight, and the game's been over for hours, and I could know the result if I want it, but I don't want another result. But then when Maryland had like a four-point lead in the second half, I wanted to come in to see what the final was to know if I was supposed to be nervous or not. I managed to just keep watching, you know, and maintain the suspense until then they got up eight. And I'm like, then they're going to win this game. And then, you know, hell by the time you got to the end, they were like, holy crap,

they won by 15, which wasn't sort of the scope this game was following. But yes, I didn't know until the game was played out on my television. Yesterday, and I, you know, I probably went on too long about this. I really thought it was one of the better, you know, games he's coached, and it answered, you know, what you said. And I get it all the time from people, and you get it all the time from people about some of the in-game coaching stuff. And I've been frustrated at times with various things. But at halftime, you know, I was screaming. They have to play zone.

They can't guard this team. And this team's not a good outside shooting team to begin with. And I just, I said to my brother, I said to Grande, he's not going to do it. And Keith goes, why? and I said, because he never does it. We never play zone. Very rarely. He's very stubborn when it comes to that.

And sure enough, you know, five, six minutes into the second half, they were down eight. He went to the zone and it totally flipped the game. I was really, that was a really good sign. And here's a, I want a bigger picture takeaway from you in terms of what you think this team is, because now we've seen it play four Big Ten games, hasn't played the top of the Big Ten. Purdue's not the top of the Big Ten at this point. nor is Minnesota, Michigan and Michigan State are. And those games will come. There's one against Michigan State on the road and two against Michigan this year. But in looking at this team and

understanding that there is a unique talent with this team, with two 610, 611 guys that are highly versatile in Fernando and Stick Smith, do you, are you, are your, have you set your expectations for the season? No, I haven't. Because I I think their ceiling is top four in the league. But the question to me is, all right, are you going to be able to demonstrate that you're better than Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio State? Because that's what you're going to have to do. I don't think – I mean, if you split with Michigan, that's great. You're not going to probably win in East Lansing, right?

So that's just how I look at it, being realistic. But already having a couple of road wins, and frankly, they should have won all their road games. I mean, they should have won that Purdue game. That's whatever they lost by two. You have to win the games against the people that are the same as you. And I think that Minnesota is in that group of people that are similar, not as talented, but you've got to win that game, right? So they did.

So I think if you have a buy going into the Big Ten tournament, I think you'd have to be really pleased with that. And I mean, are you going to win the league? No, I don't think they're better than Michigan. And they only get one with Michigan State that's in East Lansing. And that's a rugged bunch right there. So, you know, I think that's realistic. Do you feel the same way as I do or you have some sort of different feeling?

Well, I just, I thought before the season started or early in the season, I'm like, this better be a tournament team. I'll be very disappointed if it's not a tournament team. And now after watching them for the last, you know, week or so, and understanding and watching more college basketball in general over the last couple of weeks than I did in November or December, you know, I think this is a uniquely talented team that's a top, you know, 10 to 16 team, meaning second weekend.

the tournament is, I think that that is a reasonable expectation out of this bunch. And by the time we get there, they're not going to be as young. They'll be a couple of months over because we keep hearing about how young they are. And there are a lot of teams that are going to be seated high that are going to be super young. Well, I mean, we keep hearing that they're young because they're young. This isn't some make-believe thing. They're like the fifth youngest team in America.

Yeah, I understand that. But there are a lot of other teams that have a lot of freshmen that they're relying. one. Well, that's true, but this is, you know, whatever, I'm not going to get caught up in this Dmanthics of it. They're playing these guys a lot and they're performing well. The analytics really like him. Ken Pomeroy's got him like around 20, 21. So, I mean, we've been frustrated in years past where we thought like they were better than they were regarded. Well, now the numbers like them as well. So, you know, these next two games at home against teams that are either good or are supposed to be good are nice indications. I mean, you defend home court and win these

and what are you, six and one. So that would be, that'd be great if they could do it. You see, I need to take the Scott Van Pelt approach when it comes to you. I haven't mastered the idea of just sort of like ignoring and glancing over what you say. And just say whatever. You know, I need to get into that. I need to get into that mode. I need to not pay attention so much.

Oh, you've done that. You've done that plenty. Okay. You've blown me up plenty. And usually it's justified. You mentioned the Friday night game, Indiana, and fans should be encouraged to come out. I know Maryland fans are Maryland fans, but being in this DMV, for lack of a better term, the Stanley Cup celebration seems so long ago.

I think encouragement scares away the fan base. I think being encouraged is a frightening thought because they've been burnt so many times in so many ways by so many sports organizations in this town, whether it's college basketball or NFL football. And I think just, I think the damage, the Redskins damage has just spilled over

to almost every walk of life when it comes to rooting for sports teams in this town? Well, I know this much. They don't show up if you don't win. So at least Maryland is doing the part where they're giving them, that excuse is taken away. I mean, if you want to look for the boogeyman around every corner,

then you're going to have a really lousy life because you're going to find one. Oh, this guy does. He does. Well, at some point, that would kind of become exhausting, I would think. I think there's enough with a young talent of this group to, look, I don't think anyone sitting here saying Tommy that we're planning for a future to include a title. But I think that it's like I said this about the Capitals last year on the show. After I was there for Game 5, I said, look, but the Capulers are going to win this thing.

Don't wait for the boogeyman. It costs the same to be optimistic. So like for right now, it costs the same to be optimistic. So I'm going to choose to whatever that cost is. I'll be optimistic just because being pessimistic after a while, it gets exhausting. You know what? I really, I ought to take some advice and learn a little bit with the way you just handled Tommy. I really enjoyed that. And I took some notes. Boogieman, looking for a boogeyman around every corner. Jalen Hertz is going to transfer. Well, it doesn't mean he's going to transfer, but he put in yesterday for this transfer portal, which now makes him eligible to transfer from Alabama.

and I think everybody is expecting him to transfer, and it's a grad year, so he doesn't have to sit out. Does Maryland have a chance? I have no idea if he has any interest at all. I think there are a lot of people out there that think he could pick them, and I don't know why. I think everybody's blind on some version of, oh, well, he's friends with this guy on this team.

He followed some people on social media from this team. Well, he just played for Mike Lockwood at Maryland. And Maryland has just announced that they're going to bring in Josh Gaddis from Alabama as well to be their offensive coordinator. And he was at Alabama. So now you've got a second coach who just spent the last couple of years with him in Tuscaloosa. Now, here's the thing that I don't know. And I'm not saying that they don't want him. But you have to, in order to come with them, that means Gaddis and Loxley would have to want him to come here, right?

Yeah. And I don't know. Like, how do we know? I mean, put it this way. If they didn't want him to come along, then that would be the biggest red flag you'd need to know. Like, they just spent a couple years with him. I think, you know, either what we've got already will be okay or maybe we can get somewhere else. But I think the connecting of the dots has been so many people have done it all.

He's going to go to Maryland because he was the Locked and Gattis. I have no idea if he's going to. None. But I would imagine we find out pretty quickly. Yeah, it's interesting. So they hired the Alabama offensive assistant, Josh Gattis, to be the offensive coordinator, as you just mentioned. I didn't even think of it. I just thought knowing what Maryland has a quarterback, they would more than they do cartwheels to have Jay

Hurts play for one year in their first year next year, because he's got one year left, that's it, right? And a fifth year grad year. God, his career flew by. Let's get to the NFL playoffs real quickly. Last weekend was a dog fest, 10 consecutive underdogs in the NFL playoffs going back to last year. And this week, I think for the most part, the public is going to be on the underdogs again.

Do you like the favorites? Looking at the board for the weekend. And I'm with you. I think everybody knows that the run for the underdogs has been almost unprecedented, and people are rushing out to play the dog, which leaves you and me in a weird place, because we typically like to take points. I'm going to have a really hard time laying points with Kansas City. I just don't trust them.

I think maybe I like the Rams a little bit, and I think I might end up liking New England. but other than that, I just, I'm sort of stuck. I put this way, there's no side this weekend that I think, oh, I love them. Do you have anyone that's just an absolute yes, I like them? I think that the two sides that the average, you know, better is going to jump on based on recent impressions, more than even Indianapolis and Dallas or Philadelphia and the Chargers, because I think there's this thought that the Chargers can win the Super Bowl, which is, by the way, my thought, too.

but it's in conflict with the way I wager and the way you wager, which is the play this weekend more likely than not is going to be New England. And when's the last time you can say that New England was an anti-public side? Enough so that you got them as a short favorite at home. You know, they're laying four at home. But I personally think the Chargers have a chance not only to win that game, but to win next weekend and then win the Super Bowl. Philadelphia, though, is different.

I think they caught an inexperienced nervous Bears team in their first playoff game last week, and that's not what they're going to walk into late Sunday. I think New Orleans is going to demolish Philadelphia for the second time in a row, and I think that most people really now believe in the Eagles. Now, I didn't believe in the Eagles last weekend either, because Chicago was the only game that I liked. I liked the Bears. By the way, as an aside, did you see that the Cody Parkie missed field,

goal has now been officially registered statistically as a blocked field goal? Yeah, I did because it was tipped. Yeah, and it's interesting because I did Sports Center that night, and we showed it, and you absolutely saw the ring and pinky fingers of the Eagles defender move, but enough to change the trajectory of the field goal, enough to call it a block. When I think of a block, I think like the ball. just either goes backwards or wobbles and falls to the ground for 20 yards short of the goalposts. Like, nothing about that screen blocked to me.

I mean, I guess it's semantic. I'm totally with you. I totally agree with you. There's nothing that I saw slowed down that changed the flight of that ball. I didn't see anything. I think it was going to miss. And the reason that I thought it was interesting, and I bet this has probably already been said, maybe, I don't know. But did they do that to somehow protect?

protect Parky? Like to make sure that, because apparently this guy was getting death threats, you know, already after the game from, you know, Bear fans. And did they do it to try to take him? I know they are. Did they, did they do it to potentially try to take him off the hook somehow? I don't know because every, because you can call it whatever you want. Like, we all have eye, right? We all saw what happened. And I mean, if you want to say, I mean, we made the, And I thought it was important to make the point on the show. Well, you know, it was deflected. But I said the exact same thing on the show the exact same way. Like, I don't know that the fact that it hit the guy's fingers changed the path of the trajectory of the ball significantly. Like you don't notice something happened, but it's worth saying that it happened. You know, I don't know.

Like, I don't put it this way. If you're crazy enough to be, you know, to be thinking, you know, I'm going to send a, you know, an angry text. or phone call or whatever to the bears or parkey. But, you know what, it was blocked. So I'm going to go. Well, yeah, I get it. Who knows what they were thinking when they did it? It just didn't register in my mind as a blocked kick.

Let me ask you a question. If they did it out of compassion, would you have a problem with it? No. Neither would I. No, no, no, no, not at all. No, not at all, Tommy. I just don't think a crazy person is going to have an epiphany. No, I agree with it.

I agree with that also. But back to what started this conversation, the Philadelphia-New Orleans game. I saw a Bears team that I still think, even though they lost the game, had great potential in this postseason, but played nervously and inexperienced. I think the inexperience hurt them. I actually, they wouldn't have played New Orleans had they won. They would have gone to L.A. to play the Rams, and I think they could have beaten the Rams. And I think they're the one team that could. Well, they already did.

well, I know that, but I'm saying in the postseason, you know, out in the Coliseum, I think they were the one team in the NFC draw that potentially could have gone into the Superdome and won. I don't think Philadelphia can. And maybe I'm completely underrating what they are now. But I like, I think that's the one game that for sure I'll have is New Orleans laying the number. Yeah, I can't agree with that, that they're just way too much. And, I mean, look, I think Foles and Philadelphia deserve all the credit in the world for making Chicago uncomfortable and for grabbing a game that was there to be grabbed, right? And Foles has done a lot of that. And that creates a fascinating question.

And if you're doing this, if you're doing what you boys are doing right now in Philly or if you're on Sports Talk Radio there, I just think a fun segment, which could turn into a day of conversation is no one's saying they're going to win this football. But if they did with Foles, again, what do you do? Yeah. What do you do? Right? I mean, like, how do you, how do you can, how do you say, hey, listen, once is our guy, but you know, the last two years we won Super Bowls with this dude who put on his Superman cape, you know, in the alley.

But I think, like you think, Kevin, I think they're about to get the doors blown off in the world. I think, I think that conversation that you projected, that's beyond the fan. That's beyond sports talk radio. I know somebody in Philly who is close to the team who says we could be looking at a situation where you have a quarterback in Nick Falls that runs the offense the way the coach wants it run

and you may have a quarterback in Carson Wentz that doesn't necessarily run that offense You mean the offense that was the best in the NFL through the first 12 games of last year? I'm just telling you. Yeah. I'm saying two years ago, 2017. It was a juggernaut offense with Carson Wentz.

Are you suggesting that people think that that's true? I'm suggesting in the organization there may be people who believe that, that the coaching staff may actually prefer Falls because we know coaches like guys who do what they're told, sometimes to a fault. I think Wentz is the quarterback even if Foles wins another Super Bowl. I'm not saying that that's what I would want if I'm not. we're an Eagle fan, I just think that that's the way it'll play out. I don't think so. Let me just say this. I don't even think Foles is that good.

I think Foles is benefiting right now from a really, really good system and a really creative head coach. I don't think Foles is that good. I watch Wence. Wence is good. To me, anyway, I could be way off. And if he wins a second Super Bowl, this time winning, you know, in New Orleans and then potentially going to the Coliseum and beating the Rams again, it would be impressive, but I think he's good. I think Wents is potentially great. Scott? Yeah, I agree with that.

I totally agree with you. But I think that what we experienced with Foles. Now, hold on, just one quick thought. What he did against New England is all-time stuff, right? We agree with that. I mean, this is the biggest stage. He had 375 yards, give or take, and three touchdowns, and I don't think they punt it.

And he caught a touchdown. You do that. Exactly, but thank you. You do that. You know, you're doing some stuff. But I'm with you in that from September to January. You know, you need the guy. I think Wentz is the guy.

But it was a weird year for Philly that never quite got into a year. You know, Wences was the quarterback when they went down there got beat 48-7, you know. And so, I don't know, it was just a really weird year in Philly. And now this guy pulls one out of the fire in Chicago and, you know, people get caught up in it. I don't think Fools is great either, but he's come up big when they've needed him to, and he gets another chance to do it on Sunday. But again, this is now us circling back for a third time. Neither of us think that's going to happen.

Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen. Real quickly, before we let you run, were you, I mean, I think you, we didn't like a side before the national championship game, but we both thought Clemson had a chance to win, but not that way. No, for sure. And, you know, I wish I failed in this way, and I only thought about it as he was getting up to leave. Davo and doing this little old Clemson bit. Like, he said it on the field.

You know, we're just little old Clemson. We're not supposed to. What are you talking about? I just said the same thing earlier. This is a four-year window where they've won two titles head-to-head with Bama. They went through Notre Dame and Alabama and beat the crap out of both of them. Like, little old Clemson, like, who are you even? Like, you're not talking about Wofford, for Christ.

You're a powerhouse team, and you're beating the crap out of everyone. So for him to try to act like they're this little, you know. The little engine that could. Exactly. Thank you, Ty. It's exactly what he's kind of trying to project. And it's just, it's patently false. You guys have a barber shop and a slide in your team house.

You get every bell and whistle that you can have. But I just do, I want to say one thing about that game. At the end of the first quarter, Alabama dominated time of possession. yards, this, that, and the other thing. They got down to the one-yard line and they had a false start. And they ended up having to settle for a field goal that made it a 16-14 Bama lead. They had numerous drives that stalled in the red zone. They had numerous force-down stops.

They had a really uncharacteristic decision from Tua to throw into triple coverage for a pick. They had a kid, one of their cornerbacks go down on, like, at the line of scrimmage, on a play that turned into a touchdown for Clemson. and I'm not saying that Clemson wasn't a better team in the game. They were, but the way the final played out and the way that Bama essentially tapped out over the course of that almost quarter-long drive to end up.

10 minutes. It made it seem like Bama wasn't right there for much of it, and everything didn't go exactly wrong for them and exactly right for Clemson, because I think all that is part of what was the story of that game that gets lost, because at the end of it, it's a 28-point blowout. You agree with any of those? I feel the exact same way. And I, the thing that I came in here on Tuesday and talked about was this rush to talk about what,

you know, Clemson was the team. It wasn't Alabama. Clemson was the greatest this year. They're in a, you know, they're in this class, you know, by themselves. And, and I think I said that if these two teams played 10 times, you'd have that result once. You'd probably have it the other way once and you'd have eight games that would be decided by 10 points or less because they were they were super close and that the fun it was it was a night where everything went Clemson's way and you know to to a certain degree you know there was some self-inflicted damage i thought Alabama panicked on that fake field goal that was i that was not that was so uncharacteristic for a sabin team i mean it not only was it a you know a very sketchy decision

the call itself against a field goal protect team, you know, was crazy. It had no chance. And it was just so they fell apart a little bit, but how many times, you know, I just, Clemson was much better the other night. They were better the other night. Not much better. They were better the other night. The score got out of hand for a lot of the reasons you described.

But I think if they played the same, you know, if the same matchup were going to happen this coming Monday night in Santa Clara, same weather, the whole. thing, that it could be a completely different result, because they're so close. Totally agree. So close. Totally agree. But they weren't, and that allows Clemson to claim a rightful spot as an equal to Alabama. Little old Clemson. Yeah, little old, that little engine that could tell me. They, boy, look at them. I don't know how they keep doing it because they don't have any five stars. They don't have great facilities. They don't have a 90,000 piece aid. They don't have any of that. It's just like MacGiver. They just got

some bubble gum and a band-aid and a rubber band and they just make a bomb out of it. All right. I'll let you go. I'll make sure Tommy's not looking for boogeymen the rest of the show. He always is. And I think one of the... Actually, you know, it's not exhausting. It's actually exhilarating. Yeah, well, for you it is. The thing that you said in this 20 minutes or however long we've spent with you that is really interesting to me and I never even thought about it this way is what if Loxley and the new OC actually don't want Jalen Hertz? That's crazy to me. But it's all, I didn't report it.

No, I know you didn't. I just thought it out loud. By the way, as we were talking, I was reading Jeff Irman, who runs inside Maryland sports has posted on his site. I don't know if he would want me sharing his inside info, but I assume the news will get out. Jalen Hertz could be visiting Maryland this weekend. Whoa, baby. So if that were to happen, then I guess we'll see what we see.

You know what? If the Redskins could only draft Jalen Hurts. You know, maybe he'll be at the game. He might sell some tickets. Maybe he'll be at the game Friday night. It's supposed to snow. I hope it came in and it snowed. Then he was like, man, it's cold up.

I don't like this. He should know it never snows there. It hasn't in three years. Yeah, I know. We've been without it. The Tommy and I had this conversation earlier. You know, right now as the Redskins go, it's basically the status.

quo. I mean, Bruce is still in his position. Jay's already been told he's coming back. And, you know, just the thought of opening day next year with no significant changes. I mean, it's asking for death on the team's part, but you still have a draft and they've got the 15th pick in the first round and Kyler Murray could be available for him. And that would certainly provide a jolt anyway to some. but he's 5'9. That's what you're selling yourself for? I'm just telling you.

It wouldn't surprise me. Anyway, thanks. Talk to you later. Thank you, Scott. You guys enjoy the day. Good stuff, Waltz. Scott Van Pelt, everybody. Launch Workplaces in Bethesda.

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Also, you can go for more information to launchworkplaces.com. All right, you're not back until Tuesday. Who do you like in these NFL playoff games? You know, I think the Eagles are going to do better than what you think they're going to be. And if they manage to some, I don't think they're going to win, maybe. But if they do beat New Orleans, Nick Foles will be your quarterback moving forward

for the Philadelphia Eagles. I think that's a reality then. I don't. I don't. I mean, I could feel differently if he really puts on an unbelievable, unbelievable performance and not only beats the Saints, but I just, like, if I'm, if I have the choice of Carson Wentz or Nick Foles, I'm taking, Carson Wins is just a, it's a much bigger upside and to me has elite

quarterbacking potential. You know, not Nick Foles. He doesn't. I get all that. But I think there's some truth to the notion that Carson Wentz was freelancing a little bit too much with that offense at the beginning of this year. And the coaching staff was not particularly happy with him. And Nick Foles does exactly what Doug Peterson wants him to do. He gets it out quickly, that's for sure.

I mean, he makes quick decisions, gets it out. Wentz was trying to make a lot of plays when he was in there. He's also coming off that injury. You know, Foles wasn't very good early in the season. You know, he started those first two or three games, and they were like one in one or one and two. They lost to Tampa. I think that was week two, and he started that game. So, look, I hear you. I mean, it's a hell of a topic, but I don't personally feel they're going to get to that. I don't think they're going to beat New Orleans. I hate every game this weekend, and I'll spend more time on it next tomorrow, in terms of betting it. I don't love anything. But so you like Philadelphia. What about Indy KC, which is the first game?

The Colts are on a roll. I like the Colts. You do? I do. I think that they can control the ball. I think that they can keep P. I think they can keep Mahomes off the field. And I think Indy could have scored about 35 points against Houston last week if they really wanted to.

They're playing awfully well. They really are. And they can run the football too. I mean, they have an unbelievable offensive line. What about the Cowboys? Did they impress you last week? You like Seattle. Do you like the Cowboys to give the Rams a game in the Coliseum Saturday night? No. No. I mean, this is Sean McVeigh versus Jason Garrett. I'm taking Sean McVeigh in a body slam.

I think the Rams win easily. And then Chargers Patriots. You told me you like the Eagles. You like the Eagles to win out, right? No, I don't. But you like them plus the eight. Yeah. Chargers Patriots. You know, I would love the T. Chargers win. Me too. I mean, I'm rooting for an all-L-A. Super Bowl. I think that would be a great story.

But I'm not picking against New England, particularly with the weather conditions that they could have up in New England this weekend. The Chargers having to come across the country for the second straight week, west to east. And just Bill Belichick. I don't pick, I don't bet against Bill Belichick. I just don't do it. All right. Have a good weekend.

I don't know about the snow where you live. I would recommend you call your doctor, maybe see if you. This is so obnoxious of you. See if he'll prescribe you some albuterol. That you think that you're some kind of like physician that you can tell me what I should be doing. Well, let me just say this. You are not coachable when it comes to things regarding your health. I bet your wife would agree with me on that.

All I said to you during one of our breaks as we were waiting, I think, for Scott, I said to you that you're wheezing. I can hear it in your voice. You've got a bad cold. It's into your bronch. area and you're wheezing. And I know what wheezing sounds like, Tommy, because I actually have asthma in the spring associated with, like, high pollen counts. I get asthma. So I have albuterol. It's an inhaler that really works when I have, it's two weeks in the spring. And I think

you should ask your doctor about prescribing you some albuterol. I think it would help you. And you know what? I'm going to drop a little bomb on you. I'm not you. Okay? This may be a revelation, but I'm not you. In what respect? In every single respect. No, actually, we have more in common than you would think. But in a lot of ways, we are different, which is why we like each other. Absolutely.

So are you going to call your doctor today or not? I'm going to call my doctor and tell him about the crackpot who thinks he can prescribe medicine for me. Call your doctor. I'm not calling my doctor. Call your doctor. No. Would you just listen to me for one second and stop being such a hard head? I mean, God.

I have a cold. You would be impossible to live with. I have a cold, Kevin. Of course. You have terrible cold, but it's into your lungs. Yes, and it will go away at some point. What? Taking cough drops?

That's what you're sitting here doing. You're shoveling cough drops into your mouth. Like, I mean, like it's 1975. I'm not starting with an inhaler for crying out loud. Why? Next thing you know, I won't be able to take gym class. I would, just a suggestion. You won't listen to me.

I know that. But if you called your doctor and you said, hey, I'm wheezing with this cold. And a guy that I work with suggested, it said it sounds like I'm having an asthmatic response. What do you think? And he suggested albuterol. Just do it. You know what? I'll make a deal with you.

I'll call my doctor if you call your doctor. My doctor is a friend of mine. No, I'm talking about the doctor that you should be seeing. The other one? Yes. You know, my doctor used to be the team doctor for the Wizards. Really? Barry Teleznik.

Barry's the best. He's great, and he listens to this podcast all the time. So hello, Dr. Telesnick. Well, I hope you get some drugs out of that mention. And he is also, in addition to being a physician, he is very good in helping me with my other issues, too. Yes. Very good with that. And obviously, you're doing an apprenticeship with him as we speak.

All right. Feel better. Have a good weekend. I'll see you next week. All right, boss. Thanks to Aaron, thanks to Scott. Have a great day.