The Kevin Sheehan Show - Lamar Jackson and The Oracle

Episode Date: November 26, 2019

Kevin and Thom open the show discussing the incredible performance from Lamar Jackson last night in Los Angeles. Then it was on to Dwayne Haskins and more on the Skins. The boys talked about the developing situation in Dallas and finished up with Nick Young's story about Gilbert Arenas shooting him with a BB Gun. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Tommy's here. I am here and Aaron is here. And we've got a lot of selfie talk, selfie gate talk today coming up because Tommy hasn't weighed in on the podcast on his thoughts on that. We're going to talk a little bit about the Cowboys too because there is controversy in Dallas. Could Jason Garrett be coaching his final few games? games there. Story yesterday about Nick Young and Gilbert Arenas from back in the old fun times, which we will get to as well. But we're going to start before we get to Redskins discussion with Lamar Jackson, Tommy, because I think what we're seeing here, so after the Seattle game a month or so ago, I went off on the podcast and on the radio show, and I forget if it was with you or not, but I just said this guy is he's the best player on the field when he's on it. I don't care what kind of quarterbacking traditional or otherwise he's playing. He's just flat out the best football player on the field.

He's electrifying to watch. He's becoming the best watch in the NFL. And last night, I started to thinking you can knock me down a peg or two if I get too hyperbolic on this thing. but this is a once in a generation thing. This is Ali's speed at the heavyweight. This is Bo Jackson. This is Michael Jordan. This is Tiger Woods, not for you, but for most people.

This is Usain Bolt. This is one of those guys that comes along where you're like, wow. You're just wowed. And it's electrifying to watch him. He's totally unique in what he's doing. and you get to the point where when he plays, you feel like you have to watch it, which is different for the NFL, because the NFL rarely, it's always about the teams, right? It's rarely about the player.

This is about a player. And by the way, just as one point I want to mention to you, because this is, I think you will agree with me on this. He's the greatest running quarterback of all time. It's not even debatable anymore. Michael Vick, Steve Young, Bobby Douglas, Randall Cunningham, you can put them all, you can count three spots from him until you get to whoever is number two. He's going to shatter the single season record for rushing yards for a quarterback. Vic holds the record 2006, 1,039 yards. He's on pace for 1,275 right now.

He is clearly the fastest quarterback in history. He's also maybe the most elusive, like VIII. Vic was. He's a powerful runner, not like Cam Newton, but he's not Vic or Young. And he runs in so many different ways. He runs by design. He runs via the read option. He runs via speed option. He runs as a passer, turned into a scrambler. He's the greatest runner at quarterback I've ever seen. Go ahead. the only i would i wouldn't disagree with any of that the only issue is availability how available will he always be to play i mean that's the million dollar question i know it's like like you

mentioned bow jackson in there bo jackson was was a meteor and it it fizzled well it's he got because of a freak injury right so i mean that's the the only question with this guy really at this point is how long can he sustain this kind of play and when he isn't the fastest guy in the field anymore can he make the transition into a more traditional quarterback those are the only questions with this guy so a couple of things number one it's becoming harder and harder to distinguish between his strengths because he is becoming by the day by the game a much better pocket pass Yes, yes, he is. So he is not just a running quarterback.

I'm highlighting the running because I wanted to make the point that he's the greatest runner at the position that I've ever seen. And we've seen, we've just listed pretty much the list. Vic, Cunningham, Young, you know, that's... You got to put RG3 in there. Yeah, but that's a meteor. Okay. You know, I'm talking about... Well, right now, this guy's a meteor.

Right now he is, yes. But he has a gun for an arm. He's getting better and better by the game as a pocket passer. He can throw with touch. He can make all of the throws. And when he finally figures out what's going on defensively and you can see him growing there, forget it. Now, with respect to the health question, you know, this goes back to 2012. And I think you'll give me credit for this because I'm going to give you credit for something here shortly,

including letting everybody in on an audience that we have and what they said about you. we'll get to that shortly because Tommy's head may not be able to fit through the door on the way out after this show. But in 2012, when we were sitting there watching that mini camp that day, and I said, that's the pistol formation the Redskins are running out there. They're going to run him in a lot of dual threat stuff, probably in the Red Zone. I didn't see what was coming. I didn't see shock and awe coming. But I told everybody you included, and you didn't fight me on this.

A lot of other people did. I said, this is not a fad. This college element to the NFL is not a fad. It's not the wildcat. You're not watching the wishbone. My God, people like Greg Kosell, who was this perceived expert, was referring to it as the veer. Phil Sims was embarrassingly awful in identifying the trend. Didn't know what it was he was looking at.

He called them draw plays on national television as a football analyst and a former football player. And what the Shanahan's did and what, you know, Greg Rolls, Bowman followed with in San Francisco and Darrell Bevel followed with in Seattle that first year. And then every NFL team implemented it to a certain degree was that making the quarterback dual threat made your running game completely different. And with respect to health, yes, you had to be careful running your quarterback more. But it actually made the pocket safer for a lot of these quarterbacks. Yes, it did. And so the most severe injuries at that position happened in the pocket, not outside of the pocket.

And that's why, remember when we did the interviewer, I think I did it with RG3. Remember, we played it back on the show. Yeah. And I said, doesn't what Mike and Kyle do for you in this dual threat approach, doesn't it make it more protective for you when you throw from the pocket? And even then, this was in early 2013. He said, yes, it does. It makes it a cleaner pocket. It keeps everybody at bay.

They don't know if I'm going to run or not. And I think you're seeing that with Jackson. Now, Jackson does take some hits. You know, Russell Wilson's the best at completely avoiding the big hit. Great guy at sliding, you know, somehow sort of like Emmett Smith that is a running back. It's like he never takes a direct shot. Jackson takes some of those big shots, so you could be right. Well, here's the thing.

I mean, being safer in the pocket doesn't diminish the risk when he runs. I understand that. Okay, there are two different things. I understand, you know, he's safer in the pocket because, Everyone's worried about, you know, getting caught watching him run by them. But when he takes off, that doesn't make him any safer. So I understand that at some point, and I have no reason to think that he won't be able to master this. At some point when teams don't, and this may be, who knows, this may be five years from now.

God only knows what the NFL is going to look like in five years. But there'll be a point in his career where teams won't be a friend. of him running and then what kind of pocket passer will he be then it's easy it's easier to develop as a pocket passer when everyone's afraid of you running oh yeah it is and i i give the raven's so much credit they're smart they're so they're they're they got a great head coach a little bit nuts for my taste but a great no his brother's more nuts than he is this guy this guy's a little bit nuts too but but uh he's a great he's too much of a conservative for you he's a great head coach okay and they're a great organization they've basically they're on their second general manager

in what 24 23 years and this guy and and only their third coach by the first one yeah and only their third coach so they're a terrific organization so i mean the fact that they had the brains to to to draft him when they did and then uh john harbaugh had the guts to put him out there when he did last year, over the quarterback who had won a Super Bowl for him, speaks to their intelligence and their faith in their intelligence. Two things that we don't see at Ashburn Park.

No. Ashburn Park. Redskins Park. I get them confused now. So. I should just say hell. You know, it really is, it's, I loved, I've always been a John Harbaugh fan

and I've been a Ravens. I respect the Ravens. I don't root for the Ravens. I respect the Ravens. Did I tell you about the Ian O'Connor story and that I had them on the show? Yeah, and I've read it. That really spelled it out. You know, that's an organization that decided that, you know, first of all, culturally, they're an out-of-the-box-thinking organization and an innovative organization at the same time sort of retaining this toughness, you know, about them, as their identity. And they all bought in together. This was all together.

This wasn't, you know, the owner coming in on draft night and saying, I want the kid from Bullis. You know, and everybody's saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, we did this draft board. This is a real organization, a real company that runs professionally, and there was a total buy-in. And then one of the key moments was the playoff game last year. You know, first of all, his opportunity, Jackson's opportunity may not have come without the Flacco injury. because Flacco was actually having a decent season last year when he got hurt. But that playoff game, when they fell behind the Chargers in Baltimore in that wild card round last January, and they were down 12-0-0-0-or-whatever it was to the Chargers.

And everybody watching and the broadcast team and, you know, everybody in the stadium was thinking... And count me in. Count me in, because you know what I think of Flacco. I thought Flacco can come in and save the day maybe. me in on that. And Harbaugh said no, because he was thinking about the future, and he knew that Lamar Jackson was his future. And that was an important moment in their relationship, and Jackson played really well. You know, he threw two touchdown passes, and they had the ball with a chance to win, and he fumbled late. But the Baltimore thing, you know, it would have never worked here.

You know, 25 places this would not have worked, because they would have tried to put a system on the guy, on the talent, rather than taking the talent and designing a system around it. They fired Marty Morningwig, they elevated Greg Roman, who had done this with Kaepernick in San Francisco. They scrapped the whole playbook. They redesigned the playbook. They redesigned the language of the playbook. And they decided, this is our guy. We believe in him. And, you know, in very different circumstances with different players, this is what made Gibbs so. great. Gibbs never took a system and put it on his talent. He looked at the talent and then said, well, this is what we're going to do with the talent we have. With Ripin, we're going to throw the

ball deep. With Joe Thysman, we're going to run it. We're going to throw short passes. You know, it's Doug can throw the ball deep and can do a little bit of everything. And that's what the best coaches typically do in sports. I mean, there are examples where system guys win, you know, but the better examples of teams that evolve and stay winning and win over a long period of time are organizations that can change with the talent that they have. Yeah, but it takes everyone, it takes one thing, it takes an owner setting the tone for that.

Yeah. It takes an owner who's smart enough to believe in the people that he hired to do the job, even when things are not going well to stick by those people. Let me ask you a question. Are you going to Ravens games? Sunday? I want to. I'm going up. I really want to. It could be the Super Bowl. But the Redskins play the Panthers at one o'clock.

Yeah, that's true. And so I do have sort of a responsibility. Do you know, Aaron, did you know this? That the Ravens 49ers game is on Fox. Yes. And the Redskins Panthers game is on CBS. I did not know that. I thought that that might be the case. I thought they would try to move that around to make sure in that area. It's one of those network cross And I guarantee you that part of it was, because I think that NBC might have tried to get this game, but Fox blocked, you know, Fox and CBS both have a certain number of blocks. And I think that might have been a concession is that that might have moved to CBS. Well, we know Fox blocked Cowboys Patriots last week. And that's why they got 49ers Packers.

This week, though, you've got Patriots Texans in the NBC Sunday night spot. And it's a CBS double header. Right. And the 49er Raven game is on Fox. So they're not moving Brady out of Sunday night for this one. I don't know if it's because it's blocked or because NBC said, you know what, we got Brady against Deshawn Watson. That's pretty good.

But it's a one o'clock game and it's... It will be a little bit crazy in Baltimore to Sunday. It's going to be nuts in Baltimore. And it's also, this could be the opportunity to see the Redskins at one o'clock opposite another one o'clock game get outrated by that other one o'clock game. We've seen the Redskins numbers. drops significantly when it's up against another big game. Typically, that's been a game involving the Cowboys.

Yes. This is head-to-head, one o'clock, Ravens 49ers, or Redskins' Panthers. What are most people in this market going to watch? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why you would watch how you could turn away from Ravens 49ers, especially after what happened last night, especially after that Monday night game. I mean, all week, people are going to be talking about Lamar Jackson.

And, you know, I got to view him the same way I do that. Yeah, I do. He's become one of those dozen guys that are so unique that they've become, he's become must watch. He's become must watch. I just don't want to link him to those guys until he sustained something like this. I got to give credit to Marty Conway, my co-instructor for the business of sports media at Georgetown. As I teach at Georgetown.

He said this could be the new. crime stopper in Baltimore. Remember the basketball player? Akele Carr. Yeah, where... What was his name again? Akeel Carr. Did he ever play in college?

I don't... Seaton Hall. He got to Seton Hall, but I think there were eligibility issues and stuff, so I'm not sure if he ever actually played a game. For those that don't know what we're talking about, there was a basketball player, a high school player named Akeel Carr, who apparently was just ridiculous to watch. And they nicknamed him the crime stopper because every time he played, crime completely came to a halt in Baltimore because they all wanted to watch them.

This could be, Lamar Jackson could be the new crime stopper in Baltimore. Because I think that city's going to come to a halt, come one o'clock on Monday, on Sunday. I think they are the Super Bowl favorite after last night after destroying the Rams the way they did. They're now on my book, Aaron, they're the favorites. The Patriots, I've got them at basically three to two. I'm sorry, I've got them at five to two and I've got the Patriots at three to one. It looks split. It looks like in Vegas for the most.

most part, the Ravens are the favorite, and when you look in New Jersey and some other places, the Patriots are still the favorite there, but it's close. 49ers and Saints are co-favorites in the NFC to win the NFC championship. So we could definitely be seeing a preview of the Super Bowl. I right now don't see anybody stopping the Ravens except an injury to Jackson. Right. That's the only thing. That's what I, and I see them going, God, I almost hope the games in Foxborough, because I'd love to see the Ravens go into Foxborough and just S all over.

Well, they've done that. The Patriots in an AFC championship game. They've done that. I don't think the Patriots can stop them. Although that would be one of Belichick's greatest achievements. Yes, it would. If somehow the Ravens run roughshod through the rest of their schedule, get to an AFC title game and Belichick stops them.

Yeah. I wouldn't underestimate Bill. But I will be there on Sunday at M&T Bank Stadium for this. Okay. So that means you can't ask. Bill Callahan, any questions in that 25-minute press conference? It's going to follow the Panther game. I'm not driving to Charlotte to see this team play.

I might DVR the Redskine game and watch the 49er game live. You know, I think you can do that in this century. I'm not sure. You can do that. A couple of other quick things before you move on to the Redskins. Actually, before I move on to introducing the audience that we have and what they said about you before we got started. So on Friday, the NFL Network started this show.

in identifying the 100 greatest players in NFL history. I watched it. I have not watched it. I've recorded it. One thing, it's a great show. I mean, because when we were growing up, running backs, this was running backs. This was running backs. And when we were growing up, running backs were the stars.

Right. And, I mean, running backs were the guys that you fell in love with that you watched. So two things on this. Number one, because we haven't done a show since I saw this list. Did you see the 24 finalists for the position? And Rigo should have been on that list. Of course you should. Over Jerome, better.

Of course he should have. Absolutely. Ringo should have been on that 24 list. And I talked about this on Friday. I thought it was a disgrace that he was not on that final list. It was. It was ridiculous. Should have been on the list in front of Bettis. He should have been on the list in front of Thurman Thomas, in my opinion.

And he should have been on the list, and you can speak to this better than I. He should have been on the list before Jim Taylor. You know, I think that was just trying to grab somebody from that era. Well, they grabbed a lot of guys from a lot of different areas. I know they did. I know they did. I think they were trying to do their best with that. Look, I think Grigo should have been on a minimum on the 24,

on the list of 24. I think Larry Zonka should have been on the list of 24. I don't. I looked at it. You see, I watched. I don't look at his stats. So did I. I watched Zonka too. I remember Zonka.

I remember Zonka in the world football league. He was, he was for his time, one of the most feared running backs in the NFL. He was. So I would have put Zonka among the 24, too. So Rigo should have been on the 24. And the final list, I had it here moments ago. Now, let me ask you a question. I watched it.

I haven't watched it, so don't spoil it if it's really good in spots. No, no, no, no, it's great. I mean, the film of these guys running is great. So, I mean, I'm not going to spoil it. Well, I've heard Belichick's phenomenal. Yeah, he is. He really is. He's phenomenal in it.

But, you know, I think, although they don't say this in the stories, they wrote, they rated from 1 through 12. No, I heard that they don't rank them. Okay, but they made a big point of saying, of making interest. Why did they introduce Jim Brown first? It was a way to introduce the program, and everybody knows that Jim Brown was going to be on the team. I know that, but they touted him as number one.

Wouldn't you put him at number one? Yes, I would. Here was my argument. If they were ranking them, and maybe I'm wrong, and I, you know, I could be wrong, because there's nothing online that says they rated them 1 through 12. Right. They got around to 10 to introducing Walter Payton. Oh, well, it was not supposed to be ranked.

Okay. Was it alphabetical? I don't think so. Because Brown could have been the first one. Actually, Tommy, guess what? I've got the list, it's alphabetical. Emmett Smith would introduce second on the show. The way they just, okay, the way they laid it out on NFL.com is alphabetically.

Okay. And Jim Brown is number one alphabetical. Emmett Smith was introduced as... Was Earl Campbell number two? No, he was not. Okay. Emmett Smith was number two on the show. So the list...

Okay, so forget what I said. They obviously didn't rank them according to any kind of order. Because I would have been pretty angry if they waited until 10 to get Walter Payton. Well, I would agree with you. So, okay. But if they put Earl Campbell number two, I don't know if I would have had a problem with that. Oh, I mean, to me, it's Jim Brown, it's Walter Payton, it's Barry Sanders, and then Emmett Smith.

Earl Campbell's always been in that group for me. So I was glad to see him make the final list. The guys that we thought shouldn't have been... And by the way, I think Rigo could have been there in front of Franco Harris too. I do. The Steeler teams, Tommy, were all about their defense number one. And then, yeah, you had Franco and you had Bradshaw,

you know, in the last two Super Bowls throwing to Swan and Stallworth as a big portion of their offense. I thought Franco was a great Hall of Fame running back. I think Rigo was better. Okay, I would have, again, my big issue with Rigo was Bettus on there. I mean, there's no doubt that Ringo. Personally, I don't even think Bettus should be in the Hall of Fame. There's no doubt that Rigo was a better running back than Jerome Bettis.

Come on. You know, Eric Dickerson made the final 12. Eric Dickerson was the third running back that they mentioned. Eric Dirkerson's not number three on my list. Well. Eric Dickerson was a really good running back. The Hall of Famer, top 12 all time. I think he is.

They had Lenny, you know, they had guys here that I can't speak to. Earl Dutch Clark from the 30s made the final 12. They had Steve Van Buren for the Eagles. They did. And I understand that. You do? Oh, yeah. What about Marion Motley?

Mary Motley, absolutely. Wait do you see the video on Marion? I've seen some of those highlights. I mean, it's basically they took Joe Jacoby and they gave him the ball. Yeah, right. You know? And didn't he wear like a jersey number in the 70s? Yeah.

Yeah. And I understand Steve Van Buren, the Eagles won two NFL titles. 48 and 49 with Steve Van Buren at Fullback. You know, I wrote a book about the Eagles. You did? Yes, I did. Is that one available for a nickel on Amazon? Yes, it is.

It is? Yeah. Why did you write a book about the Eagles? Because somebody paid me to write a book about the Eagles. Of course. That's why you wrote one. I wrote a book about professional wrestling, and somebody paid me to do that, too.

I never knew you wrote a book about the Eagles. It's called Eagles Essential. You'd like it. It's actually, it's an easy read. It doesn't come with crayons. I'm sorry. Good. Remind me. The reason I brought it up was Rigo first. But secondly, so somebody called when I was in the conversation about this on the radio show Friday and said, Bo Jackson's got to be on the list. I said he played 38 games. I said, I know what Bo Jackson was.

Bo Jackson makes the top five all-time great running backs if he just plays for two more years, but he didn't. He played 38 games. So my son, Corbyn, who you guys know, out of the blue, it was strange. Like, I get this text from him on Saturday. And I guess he and his friends were, you know, watching, maybe it was off this running back conversation. And he just texted me, he goes, Dad, is Bo Jackson in the Hall of Fame? I just watched his videotape, like his all-time videotape. I've never seen. He goes, I've never seen a better running back.

Like, that's the all-time greatest highlight film I've ever watched. and I said, why are you asking me that? And he said, I was just watching his highlight reel. And I said, are you familiar with this conversation about the running backs? He said, yeah, I don't know who got voted in. And so I decided to go watch the Bo Jackson highlight reel. It is the greatest highlight reel of a running back of all time. Really?

Oh, yeah. No, I think Jim Brown. Well, I mean, maybe. Jim Brown. Maybe. Wait, wait, you see it. I mean, I know you've seen a Jim Brown video before, but wait do you see it again on this show. I mean, it's just.

Bo Jackson's the greatest team sport athlete of all time. That's a statement I'm asking for true or false on. Well, I got to think about that for a second. Do you count lacrosse as a team sport for Jim Brown? Yeah, Jim Brown was an all-American lacrosse player. I know. Not professionally. No, he wasn't because they didn't have professional lacrosse.

They basically still don't. That's not true. They do have some indoor league, I think. They got a team in Annapolis, don't they, Aaron? No, that coach was the Maryland coach. I used to do a show with him. But they still have it. Is it an outdoor team or an indoor team?

It's an outdoor team. They have actually a couple one because one of the big stars who played for, played one of the local college, one the big stars in lacrosse just started a new one. So I think there's two professional lacrosse leagues right now. You need to get with the program, buddy. A little bit out of it. No lacrosse leagues? I thought it was indoor.

But whatever. Okay. But how many games, Aaron, can you look this up? How many games did Gail Sayers play? Because he's in the top 12. Gail Sairs, though, had seven years of playing in a nine-year career, because I think I've looked that up before. He played 68 games.

Okay, 68 games. That's double what Bo Jackson played. It's not double, but it's 30 more. Gail Sairs was basically a seven-year career playing, right, Aaron? It was really five. He played two games in each of his final two seasons. Okay, so five full seasons. Yeah.

You know, there's no way you'd get me to consider Gail Sayers is not one of the greatest 12 running backs of all the top 12. The two coaches. It's a great show. So they're going to name 10 coaches to this list. Yes. And they started on Friday night naming two of them. Bill Belichick and Paul Brown were the first two.

Obviously, they're going to be on that list. Gibbs better be on a list. Oh, come on. Of course he's going to be on that list. Okay. I'm just, you know, one of the things I suggested on Friday, Tommy was, you know, this anti-redskinned bias that we see out there, including Nike now, not even printing redskins on their gear. It says Washington football on it. You know, so you've got to

be careful about this thing. I think Sammy Ball is going to be one of the quarterbacks. Yes. I think Gibbs is going to be one of the coaches. And I think Daryl Green has a chance to be one of the seven corners. I think he'll be one of the corners. He should, it would be criminal if he's not on whatever the final list is for the corners. I think you hit the nail on the head, those three. Those are the And I think Rigo should have been on the 24. I do not think Rigo should have been in the final 12. But I agree with you. First thing I thought of was how could he not be in that list of 24?

Outrageous. Absolutely was. But Gibbs has to be among the coaches. I mean, he just won another, by the way, he just won another NASCAR championship. He's the greatest coach in American professional sports history, period. He's certainly one of the greatest sports winners of all time. Yes. Life winners for that matter.

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MyBooky.ag today, you play, you win, you get paid. So today, we're doing something that we don't do as a practice because we're in this podcast studio and it's way too small to do this. And Kevin's embarrassed how the podcast studio looks because there's really nothing in here. I'm not embarrassed about it. Are you kidding me? Look at this. I'm not embarrassed at all.

This looks like a jail cell. I'm a minimalist, as you know. I don't like to put pictures. Tommy's office at the radio station was a shrine to Tommy. You walked in and there were pictures of Tommy everywhere. There were awards and plaques and everywhere. It was a shrine to Tom. That's not true.

There was a Geiger counter. Did you have a Geiger counter? I didn't have a Geiger counter. I did have some weather model information. I didn't have a Geiger counter. But Tommy had a shrine to himself and I always felt, like if I put stuff up, it was going to basically clinch that they were going to get rid of me a week later. It did for me. It did for me. It was hard moving all that stuff out. I don't know.

Seven and a half years was a hell of a run. But Tommy and I over the years have, you know, various, you know, charity events and auctions have given out like a visit in studio visit. And Zubin and Bejan are here today. And before Tommy got here, they arrived. And what they said to me was the following. Is Tommy going to be in studio? I said, yes. I mean, wide-eyed. They were so excited. Oh, get out. So excited. Oh, he's going to be here. He's not going to be here. He's not going to be here. I made sure that he was going to be here because I knew you guys were visiting. And Bijan, lawyer, D.C. lawyer, Georgetown grad over here. By the way, give me your card before you said about you. Tommy, in my group of friends has reached cult status.

He is the Oracle. He's right about everything. And he then went on to say, swear to God, there was a time early on where we were all annoyed by Tommy, which, by the way, he is an acquired taste. And I had to deal with that for years. What is the deal with his voice?

I'm like, you're going to love him. Just give it time. He's an acquired taste. And he said there was a time where it was annoying. and then after a while all of our group texts, what did Tommy say? What did Leverro say today? He's always right.

He's the Oracle. Look at how happy he is. Look at that smile. You made my day. It's really hard to get him to smile. Absolutely. When somebody says he's right all the time, he agrees with you.

Anyway, you want to talk about the Redskins? Okay, let's talk about the Redskins. I was there on Sunday at Ghost Townfield. Me and about 25,000 other fans. I heard it was 30,000, the lowest ever for a non-bad weather game. I said it was 25,000. And half were Lions fans. I'd say 15,000 of the 25,000 were Lions fans.

The whole side of the visitor's side of the stadium was all blue. It was blue everywhere on that side of the stadium. You could see that on TV. Who knew that the Lions had all those fans in a three, six and one season? Well, you know, in a way, it shouldn't surprise us, even though it did, because the Redskins are the same thing when they go on the road. I know. People love going to see their teams on the road. Yes.

Yeah, this is the new phenomenon in the NFL, especially for losing teams, you know? Yeah. I mean, they turn it into a vacation, and Washington's a great destination spot. So I guess we should understand why people come. You think there were only 10,000 Redskins fans in the stadium? I do. I do. I heard maybe 15 no more than that.

I think 10,000. I'm pretty conservative usually. If that's the case, that is the worst live turnout for a Redskins game, not counting like the bad weather games. Like that chief game in 2013 at the end of the year, when you had snow, you had sleet, it was freezing. That stadium was truly empty on that day. This was the smallest I've ever seen.

Yeah. And I haven't seen a TV rating for it. I'm going to assume that it was. Look, there is a real. reason to watch, and his name's Dwayne Haskins, and we're going to get to him in a moment. But, yeah, that had, I predicted that it was going to be the worst ever, because it wasn't the Jets where you got a lot of New Yorkers and you got a lot of New York jet fans that are, hey, let's go down to D.C. We'll go to the game. Or if they live in D.C., you know, tickets were $4 on Stubbub.

I know. All right, go ahead. Give me your take on the Haskins performance first, and then secondly, the missing of the final play as he was taking selfies. Well, of the two, the latter and his post-game performance is far more important. His performance in the press conference, okay, I'm convinced you need to run away from this kid. This kid is bad news. Bad news.

This kid, wait to, wait to, people, you called it a teachable moment maybe? I think it was a revealing moment with the selfie. Wait till this kid has a little bit of success. He didn't do anything on Sunday except complete a couple of passes at the end. Under the most important circumstances, he came through for them. But for the most part, he stunk for three quarters. And this little bit of success basically empowered him to strut into that press conference

and dismiss pretty much anybody who questioned anything he had done wrong. I mean, just literally dismiss it. You know, missed receivers? Oh, I banged my wrist. My wrist was hurt. Yeah. That was his answer for missing receivers as much as he did. I mean, and this was a minimum of success.

I'm convinced that this is a kid who, once he has any kind of success, is going to feel so empowered. that it will be a disaster. This is a guy who he thinks, like he said, that's what I do. I'm the closer. Come on. I mean, come on.

I mean, it looks, look, if you think I'm the only one, and I wrote about this on Sunday, but I did it more subtly, Sally came out today with the hammer. I haven't read Sally. Okay. Well, basically, Sally points out all of this, that his performance in the press conference,

should be far more alarming than anything he did on the field. Do you give any, is there any possibility that he's just not good in a press conference and he was nervous and he was, you know, and he doesn't have any experience in doing this, obviously. They didn't have press conferences at Ohio State? They did, but he was not a big-time communicator. He's very soft-spoken in those moments. Oh, he was not soft-spoken. Oh, I thought he was soft-spoken.

No, he was not soft-spoken on Sunday. I thought at times it was difficult to really understand what he was saying. Because he was so soft-spoken. He was arrogant. There was some arrogance there. For arrogant, for a guy who really didn't do anything. But you didn't answer my question. Do you give any, is there any possibility that it was just, it was nerves that got the better of?

What does that mean any possibility? I don't know, because he, because he had a bad press conference. Of course there's a possibility. My inclination, my gut reaction, having covered pro athletes for 28 years, is this kid's going to be a problem? Oh, boy, you just stepped in it because I know he's the Oracle guys that he's always right. But do you know what he thought of RG3's first few press conferences? I love them. I mean, let me give you a few words.

The savviest press conference I've ever seen. This guy's got it all. This is, it can't miss. Did you see the way he stopped and let the planes fly over because he knew it was too noisy and then continued? So your history with judging young quarterbacks after one or two press conferences is not very good. No. But with that said, I wasn't impressed with the press conference either. And I am concerned about some of those same things that you're concerned about.

But I'm also going to be patient on this because I have talked to multiple people who say that he is a good kid. They said the same thing about RG3. Yeah, but there was a sense of entitlement that he has. had that people recognized pretty early on. Not from what I heard. The only reason I went on the limb in that New Orleans game, because a couple of players I had talked to just raved about his presence. Yeah.

Wraved about it. He had some charisma. Which, by the way, Dway, Dwayne Haskins doesn't have as a public speaker. RG3 was a charismatic communicator. I get that. That's not Dwayne Haskins. At least Griffin had some success before he, before he revealed his arrogance.

Yeah, I mean, this guy, I mean, really? I mean, what happens if he wins, like, if he actually wins the game? Like, he thinks he did all by himself. You know, that's basically what he stood up there in a press conference and acted like. I won this game. That's not what I heard from the press conference. I didn't hear him taking all the credit for winning the game. I do agree with you, though.

Like the wrist thing and then, you know, circling back to say the game. game was over on the selfie thing when it probably wasn't. There was an arrogance and he was, he actually, whether he intended to be or not, he was combative. Yes. You know, in a situation where you probably don't want to see that. I told Sean Springs on the air and we text back and forth and he's been on the show a bunch of times, you need to get across to this guy.

Press conference 101 for quarterbacks. It's really simple. You take all of the blame and you take no credit. All the credit goes to somebody else and other people, your teammates when you win, and when you lose, you take all the blame. We know that. And that's not what he appears to have the playbook on. Let me read from you what he said in case you don't think he thinks he won the game.

I know how important it is for us to win football games. Now that I'm part of this and the guy running the show, it means that much more to me to get the win at home. I do it for my family and the people supporting the Redskins. Not we. I know. You know what? I'm not going to argue with you that this could ultimately be revealing just like the draft night

and charging 50 bucks ahead H&H at a bowling alley to watch the draft with him. The embroidered personal logo into the Bentley, you know, after he got draft. the personal logo at Ohio State, the taking into selfies. I'm not going to dispute. The number seven jersey. The number seven jersey. I'm not going to dispute that this is very, this potentially is very revealing. Because my gut tells me that it could be.

But I also feel like, and you know me when it comes to younger people and having coached in the whole thing, that there could be a lot of, he's just got to mature a little bit. and maybe he'll figure this part out. Now, with respect to the on-field performance, you said he was terrible, you know, until the end. Let's first agree on this. He delivered in the clutch. Yes. He delivered on two drives.

Yes, he did. He delivered. He did. And the reason I wanted him to play from the jump is I wanted to have other things revealed on the field. Is he a good competitor? How does he deal with adversity when he's not playing well? How does he deal with close game situations?

I understand Detroit stinks. They're terrible. That team they put out there is horrible. Yes. Okay? But still, both teams trying to win the game. And I think that that athletic arrogance that he has on the field is a plus. You know, people have told me the last day because I essentially said I didn't think he sucked as much.

It wasn't very good for three and a half quarters. I get it. Incredibly inaccurate. But there were also some plays he made, and then he delivered in the clutch. and people were saying, ah, he's Jason Campbell. He's the opposite of Jason Campbell. He's not Jason Campbell. Jason Campbell was soft-spoken, didn't have that swag, didn't have that confidence.

This guy believes he's the best player on the field. Yes. And the problem with that is he may be the first to tell you that when the game is over, even during the game. I mean, I'd like to see him perform rather than promise it before he's performed. But Tommy, there's a lot that he does that's intriguing to me. I was not a fan of him coming out of the draft. Not a fan at all. Didn't like that they picked him at 15. But I am intrigued by what I've seen.

And I think, first of all, the ship has sailed if it didn't already. He's going to be the quarterback for the next year. The final five games this year and next year. So what happened to your Alex Smith theory for next year? What I'm saying is they're not going to draft another quarterback. Okay. There's no way Snyder, if Allen's still here, which I don't think he's going to be. there's no way Snyder is going to allow them to draft another quarterback to put on this roster.

I agree. So, you know, we've got, you know, buckle in. We've got them for the next, you know, five games at the end of this year and a whole year next year more likely than not as the starter. Alex Smith's the starter? I don't know. I mean, I guess it could happen. You know, I mean, if Alex Smith could happen. If Alex Smith can play, he's going to be here starting next year.

I mean, he's not sitting with Dan Snyder. that box every Sunday. He's there every Sunday just because he's doing time. They're really tight right now, Alex and Dan are. Yes. And we know that's the key to getting on the field. It's a big key to a lot of things in that organization. So I don't think he's going to be able to play. Which is one of the reasons I've said, I don't think Bruce is, I believe Bruce isn't going to be there because if people were revealing something here, Bruce isn't as close with Dan on game days as he used to be. No, he doesn't seem to be. There is some distance. Maybe they'll make Alex Smith. the general manager.

Maybe they'll make Alex Smith the GM. Did I tell you that last week? No, I don't think so. I threw it out, and I don't know if he's here on the radio show. I would have remembered that if he said that to me. Don't be shocked if he's in the organization in a significant role. You know, that's true. That's true.

Let me ask you about Joe Thaisman. Let's get to the selfie. For one thing, I think you're right. We don't know, we don't, we haven't had nearly enough yet to judge if he can play in the NFL. There have been some good moments. I think there have been much more. I would still bet against that he becomes a franchise quarterback.

Yeah. And the franchise quarterback definition, nobody really has it. I'll just throw it out here. You got to be like, you know, a consistent top 10 to top 12 quarterback in the league. Like, not numbers-wise, but people would say, we're picking starting quarterbacks and you're one of the first 12 picked. Right. That's a franchise quarterback.

I would still bet against it. But I'm definitely just more interesting. in watching this play out than I would have been a month or two ago, based on what I saw him do in college. And got confirmation last night from John Kime, who had a conversation with him. He actually has lost weight and body fat from Ohio State. That's why he looks more mobile and is faster and quicker than he ever appeared to be at Ohio State. But go ahead. I think it's too early. Look, I'm not bailing on him as a quarterback. I think it's too early. We haven't had nearly enough seeing him on the field.

Plus, and I made this point, and Brian Baldinger made this point on the station. I'm on radio station, 1067 a fan. It's awfully hard to judge him when the talent around him is so bad and the coaching around him is so bad. It's really hard to make some kind of judgments about him. You can make judgments uncertain things. Yeah, I know that. You know, some of the things we saw Sunday. day. You know, it doesn't matter who the coaching staff is. It doesn't matter. You saw a guy

desperately and urgently competing to try to win a game, which that's why the Jason Campbell thing is a complete disconnect. Can anybody envision Jason Campbell being urgent about anything? You know, the way he played was very, you know, it was not with a great deal of confidence or authoritativeness. I think you see Dwayne trying to be the authority, trying to be the guy out there. I kind of like that, but go ahead. Okay, so I'm not bailing on him at quarterback. Let's get to the selfie.

Right. You saw what Joe Thaisman said. Of course. And then he came on the station with Doc and Al yesterday, and I listened to that. I don't know if you listened to that. No, I didn't. He sort of backpedaled a little bit and was more complimentary in talking about Dwayne, but he's stuck with the, you know, that's a moment.

You can't miss. It's unprofessional. And you should be thinking about celebrating it with your teammates first before you celebrate it with anybody else. Okay, so for everyone who had a problem with Joe Thaisman's tweet, when he tweeted out, it was unprofessional and wrong. If it wasn't unprofessional, was it professional? No, it wasn't not professional. Okay, so then it's unprofessional. Was it right? No. Then it was wrong. It was a mistake. Yes. Simply put, if, and I said this yesterday, if you don't think he made a mistake, you're a moron. Yes. He made a mistake. And a majority of the feedback I've gotten on social media that said he didn't

make a mistake. Well, they're stupid. Now, your reaction to the mistake, like, is it the worst mistake ever? Is it revealing of something? Is it, you know, did the world just end? Or did you feel differently about it? That's open to sort of, it's a subjective thing. When you're, when you have a play left in the game and your quarterback, starting quarterback, who has played the entire game and he's not injured, isn't out there for that final play, that's a mistake. Period. He should have been there. Now let's move on to your reaction to the mistake. I'm not going to debate, nobody with intelligence is going to debate that it wasn't a mistake. Well, I combine it with his performance at the press conference. I think it was a revealing moment. Most people think it was

a teachable moment of immaturity. I tend to think you got a glimpse of who Dwayne Haskins is, and I don't think that's going to change. I'm not sure what it is, but my, initial reaction, well, my reaction after thinking about it for three minutes was, it's not the end of the world. He's young. He was excited. They just won their first game in a long time at home. His first game as a starter. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I want it to be a teachable moment for the organization. You think it was revealing, that's fine, and it may turn out to have been revealing. Only time will tell. We don't know that for sure. But I do think in the moment it has to be for any organization that understands right

versus wrong, an opportunity to sit down with him and say, look, you're excited, you thought the game was over. The clock actually revealed zeros on it. Also, just so everybody understands, he did celebrate it with Kevin O'Connell and Morgan Moses and some people on the bench before he went over to take the selfies. Actually, before he took the selfies, he was high-fiving fans in the stands. Okay, but but before all of that, there is the shot of him on the sidelines. Right. The Redskins are getting ready to kick off following the kickoff of him hugging Kevin O'Connell, Morgan Moses, and the whole thing. But personally, I think you've got the, you got to ensure that he understands that this was a mistake and it can't happen again. Who teaches? Who teaches them?

Well, that's, that's a big question. They, they don't have, I mean, who in the organization, other than Callahan, who admitted that it was a mistake? Yeah. But who in the front of office would even view it as a mistake. Well, Doug Williams would. Doug Williams would. Doug Williams would. I actually think Bruce Allen would actually view it as a mistake. Oh, yeah, Bruce Wood.

Dan Snyder probably immediately began apologizing for him, is my guess. Oh, I think that's my, my point is, if anyone in the organization actually sat down to tell him that you can't do this. Not apologizing for him, rationalizing what he did. Oh, of course. Yes. And my point would be the biggest teacher in the organization, the most powerful teacher, the guy who owns the team, Dan Snyder, probably thought it was great.

Yeah. Probably thought, oh, yeah, this is great. Connecting with the fans. Right. Thought it was great. And as long as you're the player and you know the owner probably, you know, was fine with what you did, why would you care what Bill Callahan or Doug Williams or Bruce Allen says? Right.

The owner thinks it's cool. I mean, I don't know if that's the case. I'm predicting what I think Dan Snyder's reaction would be. There's no doubt that if we had to discuss what do we think Dan Snyder's reaction was, I would agree with you. It probably was on the phone with Haskins and Haskins, the LLC that they've created and told all the people that work for it. Did you see that?

What a job over there. The selfies, we're going to get pictures of selfies. We're going to get that guy. That guy I had on the radio show. I don't know why I had him on the radio show. You didn't have that. No. Oh, Tommy.

Oh, no. I know. I didn't want to. I didn't want to. It was a bit of a debate, and I'm like, why are we doing this? Does he have some sort of story that's going to be entertaining? Every TV station put him on show. Trust me.

I did it. And Aaron texted me last night and said, hey, I can get this guy, and I said, nope. I already did it on the radio, and it was a waste of time. Sorry, because the guy was a nice guy. If he listens to the podcast, his name was Jaime, I forget what his last name was. But he was very nice, and he was a new football fan in the market. It was the first game he's ever attended. But I didn't personally, I mean, unless there was some, you know, crazy story there.

Look, it was his camera, just if you were one. Well, I figured it was. It was. I mean, that would have been worse had it been playing's phone. He pulled out his phone, yeah. I thought it was. But, I mean, I just think it's foolish to glorify the moment. And putting him on the air does that.

But if you put him on the air, if you wanted a TV talking empty heads who put him on the air, you know, they all think it's cool. They all think what he did is great. Well, what Haskins, now I don't think everybody thinks what Haskins did is great. I think anyone who put him on the air and sat down and talked to him thinks what happened was great. Well, anyway, you know what? That has passed, and it'll become an issue like Draft Night, like, you know, League done messed up, like all of the things that are sort of building up a case against him in terms of if you believe that arrogance and character and self-absorption all sort of play into your reason as to why you don't think he's going to turn out to be great, you're building up some evidence. You know, it's hard to dispute that.

Let me just be on the record again. I'd run away from this kid after what I saw at that press conference. And let me be on the record. I'd bet against him because. a franchise record, quarterback, but I am going to be patient and watch this thing play out because there are things that he has that, to me, I'm buying into a little bit. And I'm talking about the stuff on the field primarily. Okay, real quickly, if you want to listen to us, we've got a brand new app, if that's how you like listening to shows and podcasts. I've got my Twitter feed.

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Are we over? No, we're not done. Oh, okay. Because I want to get a selfie right before we're done. I know. We're going to get a selfie. Okay. I wanted to talk briefly about the Cowboys.

And then I want to get to this Nick Young Gilbert Arena's thing. Oh, yeah. So Jerry Jones, a couple of things real quickly about the game on Sunday. Did you watch the Patriots Cowboys game? Because we did not do a lot of around the NFL yesterday. That was the what, 425 game? I'm writing then. So no, I'm not watching the game.

So you missed on what really turned out to be, I think, despite the score and some of the circumstances, the weather was terrible in that game. I thought it was a really intense game, hard hitting the whole thing. There was a penalty, two penalties called on the Cowboys' Tripping calls. they are two of just four tripping penalties called all season in the NFL. The NFL came out yesterday and said both of them were wrong. And one of them was really hurtful to them

because it was their final drive. It was the third and one that they picked up, you know, down 13-9. They were already moving out from their own goal line. Anyway, I had the Cowboys on the Money Line Sunday, so I really wanted them to go down and win the game. I also had the Cowboys plus five and a half. So I was fine with Jason Garrett kicking the field goal

with six minutes. I also thought it was right strategically. But Jerry Jones after the game was very, very strong-worded in his disappointment of this team. And he essentially said, we got out-coached and some of this stuff can't happen. Specifically, here were the quotes. He said, with the makeup of this team, I shouldn't be this frustrated. We have the talent, so talent isn't the problem. he's ripping in to Jason Garrett. Part of this too, very interestingly, somebody wrote Don Van Nata, actually it was, wrote that Troy Aitman, in criticizing,

as part of the broadcast he got after, Jason Garrett and the staff, especially the special teams coaching. And Van Nata said that Jerry listens to everything Troy says. Really? Yeah. And that Troy being down on the coaching staff may have sort of been the prompt

for Jerry to go after his own coaching staff. I had Brad Sham on radio this morning, and I was curious as to whether or not this could be an in-season firing of Jason Garrett. He said no. Jason Garrett's going to last the rest of the year. I don't think the Cowboy, I don't think Jerry's ever done that during the season. I can't. I don't know that he has.

I don't think he has. But he said it would be wildly popular among the fans. The fans have for years now. They have had it with Jason Garrett. In the meantime, they're very much in position to win their second straight division title. in the NFC East. They do have a lot of talent to be six and five. They got a lot of talent on that football team.

But this is it for Jason Garrett. I think you saw Jerry essentially say, I've about had it with the coaching staff. We're too good to be six and five. Now, maybe he's doing it to light a fuse and to say, you better make a run to 11 and 5 and win a couple of playoff games. It's going to be pretty hard in the NFC

with the 49ers in the NFC. with the Saints in the NFC, which looks to me like the NFC title game matchup down the road. You get that game coming up too. You know, the 49ers have the Ravens this week and the Saints next week. After playing the Packers on Sunday night, which was a complete blowout. Man, the 49ers and Ravens, did they make statements this past weekend or what? But Cowboys are an interesting story because they have enough talent to compete for something much bigger.

and him being very patient with Garrett over these years may ultimately hurt him. I think that becomes immediately the number one available job in the off season. Even more than the Redskins? So, well, of course, you're being sarcastic, but I'm trying to think of what the jobs will be to see if the Redskins will be at the bottom of the list. So it's very possible the Jet Job opens up. Does Brian Fours get fired after one year in Miami?

Probably not. You know, who's the owner? Who's the owner of the Jets? Not Woody Johnson anymore. Yeah, it's Woody Johnson. He's coming back from his ambassador ship. Is it? It's his son.

The son said that Adam Gase will be there this year and next year. Okay. Maybe Adam Gase last. By the way, the Jets are all of a sudden playing very well. I know. They've won three in a row. So let's go with the jobs that we know for sure will be available at the end of the season. They would be Doug Marone and Jacksonville gone.

Redskins job available, Cowboys job available. Is Pat Shermer gone in New York after this year? Is that a definite? I don't think that's a definite. It's not a definite. Dan Quinn, I would say. Dan Quinn definitely gone. I just gave you four definite.

You think Ron Rivera gets another year in Carolina? I think so. I do too. Although I don't know. Freddy Kitchens, I think is the big one. So I just gave you five. And I would say the Giants are close to six. Oh, God, the Cleveland job is a much better job than the Redskins job.

Yeah. I'm just thinking of the real bad. Obviously, the Dallas opportunity is better. Yeah, the Redskins are at the bottom of the list with Jacksonville. Although Jacksonville's got some talent and they've got some talent on defense. Yeah. Yeah, but you've got to work for Coughlin in Jacksonville. That's not as bad as working for Snyder.

But from what we've read, it's a problem working for Coughlin. Boy, they were so close to going to the Super Bowl two years ago. So close. They had the Patriots on the ropes in Foxborough. If they had a quarterback, they would have won. They would have. All right, let's finish up with this Nick Young, Gilbert Arena story. So Nick Young was on this podcast the other day,

talking old wizard stories when he was here with Gilbert Arenas, et cetera. And he talked about an incident. He said, Young and some of his other teammates surprised Gilbert Arenas sound asleep one night by shooting him with paintball guns to wake him up. The next day, Young brought a BB gun to the practice facility. Who did? Nick Young did. Arenas took the gun out of Young's locker,

took it into a league-sponsored meeting about gun awareness and safety and started shooting Nick Young with the BB gun. He had to get the BBs removed from his shoulder. You sent me this story. I know that, but I didn't know. I didn't know the walk-up to this. I didn't know it was a league meeting about guns. The whole gun thing with Javars Crittenden, et cetera.

This was a complete and utter inmates running the asylum situation in Washington with Gilbert Arinas here. And Nick Young. And who else? Javale McGee. Javele McGee. And And Andre Blanche. Yes, the captain. Oh, my God.

What a group. I know that. But yet there are fans out there that still swear. By Ernie? By, by, like Gilbert. By, Mike Gilbert. Oh, come on. I mean, still swear by him.

You know, that he was the greatest player in history of franchise. Yeah, so in that podcast, he revealed that he actually had to have the BBs removed from his shoulder. That's unbelievable. Incredible. And look it. And, you know, if people knew that, Ted had to know that. He had to know that. I don't know.

Maybe he, you know, in his early days, just figured this is what these NBA players do. I mean, my God. Trevor Booker, a couple of weeks ago, was interviewed, and he was talking about his early days. You know, he was drafted by the Wizards. Right. And he said, quote, it was the most terrible team that I've probably been on, but it was probably the most fun I've ever had in the NBA, because those guys didn't care at all. I would come into the locker room the day of a game

and watch one player cut up the suit of another player. One guy took a dump in another guy's shoe. That was Gilbert. Oh, my goodness. I've got stories for days. We could go on the road and we would break into each other's room and beat up a player, tie them up. There's so many stories I got from those Washington days.

It was so much fun. But looking back on it, oh, my goodness, it was so unprofessional. That's just unbelievable. That's Ernie Grunfeld's legacy right there. That's it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how many teams this would have been normal for in the NBA, but it certainly didn't produce or wasn't conducive to winning. So, no wonder, Flip Saunders, when God rest his soul,

when he came on the show with us after he had been fired, basically said he walked in the Ted's office after he was fired and said, you've got to get rid of these guys. Yeah. You got to get rid. I mean, that was when the big three were, where Andre Blotch, Javelle McGee, and Nick Young, Gilbert had already been gone at that point.

You know, I mean, how many times? Did Ted put together a committee to investigate and come up with all the data to create a solution? Ernie got credit. A synergistic solution. Ernie got credit for getting rid of the knuckleheads that he brought in. Yeah, the knuckleheads that he brought in. I'll tell you who didn't put up with any of that shit.

when they got here was Randy Whitman and Neyne and Trevor Areza. When they got some real maturity into the locker room and some tough guys, I mean, I remember hearing Wall and Beal say that essentially the locker room was run by real, you know, guys like Ney and Eriza. Yeah. So it changed then and not, you know, it's hardly a coincidence. They actually started to put together some decent teams. Yeah.

Until they decided to go for Kevin. Durant in 2016. All right, what else you got? Happy Thanksgiving. What are you doing? Are you going up to Philly? Going up to Philly, you know, thank God the Redskins aren't on TV. First time in three years, they're not playing on Thanksgiving.

I don't have to watch them, you know. So I don't have to go find some obscure sports bar that's open on Thanksgiving afternoon and watch the game. Thank God the Redskins aren't playing this Thanksgiving. Yes. We had three in a row. We had 2016, which is a really good game. That was still, over the last couple of years, probably the most important record or probably the best combined records of the two teams playing in a game that involved the Redskins.

They were six, three and one after they had beaten, remember the Packers on Sunday night. And the Cowboys were 10 and 1 on that Thanksgiving day three years ago now. Then they played the Giants at home on Thanksgiving night, which Snyder desperately wanted for years. He wanted that Thanksgiving night game at home. And it was a dud of a game that they won. And then last year they played the Cowboys on Thanksgiving Day. Colt played that game. Through a couple of late picks.

They were six and four going into that game. They were tied for first going into that game. What do you think Colt is thinking these days? Get me the hell out of here. What did they do to me? Yeah. What did they do to me? I've heard Case Keenham's not very happy at all.

Can you imagine on that sideline Sunday? Case, Case, where are you? You got to get in there. What are you talking about? We want you to go take the final knee. And he probably initially, without knowing, said, are you out of your effing mind? That dude's throwing eight feet over everybody's head all day

and you want me to go take the knee? And he's over there taking selfies. Oh, okay, I'll get in the game and take the final knee. Yeah, I bet that went over well. Probably not very well. Alex Smith, according to my information, is more of his mentor these days than are the other two guys. You know, I don't know that they have the best of quarterback rooms right now. And understandably so.

Yeah. All right. Happy Thanksgiving to you. Happy Thanksgiving to you. We won't do a show on Thursday this week. I'll do a show tomorrow. Be back on Friday to do a show. And then Tommy will be back next Tuesday.

They play the Panthers on Sunday. you don't have to make a prediction loss. Yeah. But I'll talk to you next Tuesday. Happy Thanksgiving. All right. You too, boss. All right.

Thanks to Aaron. Thanks to all of you. Back tomorrow. Enjoy the day.