The Kevin Sheehan Show - Living Without Sports

Episode Date: April 9, 2020

Thom and Kevin opened the show talking about a world without sports right now. Thom weighed in on the Ron Rivera presser from the other day. They talked NBA Horse Competition and more. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Yep, Sports Fix Thursday. Tommy's on the phone. I'm here in studio. Aaron is at home. We are all practicing strong social distancing and mitigation. And it appears, you know, if you believe the experts, that all this stuff is working to a certain degree. There were a couple of of things, Tommy, in the news today, actually late last night. This from a Santa Clara County executive, he's a doctor, medical executive in Santa Clara County, California. He said he doesn't expect any sports games until at least Thanksgiving. He said we'd be lucky to have them by Thanksgiving. The LA Times had that yesterday. Of course, the Niners play in Santa Clara, California. You know, I don't, if he's asked about this or if he's just giving his expertise, how does he know? Like this thing, nobody knows. Think about what four weeks ago was and what four weeks later is.

I don't know how anybody can really predict where this thing is going in terms of whether or not sports is going to be canceled for the year or no football season. I just think it's way too premature for that stuff. Well, I don't think he said it for the press. I think from when I read in the story, it was mentioned in a meeting. Right. And he was probably, his opinion was probably thought, or he probably spoke up in a meeting, and then somebody leaked it. But he's not the only one.

He's not the only one. A lot of people predict. You think that we're not having any sports this year, right? Well, look, I agree with you. Nobody knows anything. But let's think of what, let's think of four, weeks ago. So far, in our predictions, most of the people in their predictions from when this started were way optimistic. And I think you should have learned from that and operate under

the premise that until proven otherwise, you need to be very conservative because optimistic was wrong in the beginning of this. And so I think based on what we've done, learned in previous predictions, we should operate under the premise that worst expectations and be pleasantly surprised if they're not. That's the way I would operate. But I do agree with you that nobody knows anything at this point. Yeah, it's really hard to predict that far out. I mean, we can barely predict what, you know, tomorrow will bring, let alone, you know, six, seven, eight months from now. You know, the models keep

changing too. They've become more optimistic here recently. You know, you had that one model from the guy out in Washington, the IHEM or whatever model that initially was the one that was projecting a minimum of between 100 and 200,000 or 240,000

deaths, you know, that now that we're, you know, in sort of lockdown mode. Well, that's been reduced to sort of the 60,000 number by August. It's still a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, and it's very, very sad. But, you know, these models keep changing, too.

And, you know, we talked about this the other day. Ultimately, a treatment, a therapeutic medical treatment for this thing is going to be what sort of gets us back to relative normalcy. You know, once people feel like, you know, if they get it, they're not going to die. Yeah. Then people, then we can get back to some level of normalcy. And, you know, I was watching a lot of stuff last night and reading a bunch of stuff

late last night. You know, this hydroxychloroquine, you know, this has become very much a political, you know, medical football in so many ways. And it's pathetic to watch. You know, it's pathetic to see in many ways the president touting it, you know, rather than having his medical people give you, you know, the real information. And at the same time, on the left, it's disgusting to watch them completely downplay it as if it's snake oil because the president's touting it. You know, it's both sides.

And the truth of the matter is if you read about it, you know, doctors right now, because it's already FDA approved, it's been long ago FDA approved for malaria, doctors and patients have the ability to use it right now. And it is working in some cases. You know, this guy, and I forget his name, the doctor that appears, they have many of them on Fox, on the Fox News Network, was on last night. He told the story about his father who's in his 90s and was basically on the verge of dying the other night. And all of a sudden he, you know, took this hydroxychloroquine with the antibiotic. And within a few hours, literally within a few hours, he was upright and a lot. and better. And then I understand there's some danger, you know, associated with this drug as well. I'm getting sidetracked here. My main point is whether it's this drug or another drug,

once we get treatment, once there is a way to prescribe meds that keep most people from dying if they contract this virus, it's going to be a whole new day. And, you know, not just in this country, but around the world. And then we can start to get back to thinking about sports. But until there is that, and that's more important than a vaccine right now, Tommy, until you have that, I don't know practically how you do get back to large gathering events. You know, large gathering events. I don't know how you do that. I agree. A hundred percent. Basically, people have to feel that their risk is not a fatal risk. Right. By returning to normal. And, you know, it's interesting.

think even with the flu, we've come to live with an acceptable risk. I mean, most people we know who get the flu don't die, but people do die who get the flu. You know, so we need to get to a level, and this is far more frightening, and it's going to take a while for people to get over the mentality of this being so frightening. But you're right. until people feel that if they get this, they can get treated and come out on the other end, nobody's going to take that risk until that happens. You know, you mentioned...

Some will, but most won't. You know, you mentioned the flu. I mean, look, I mean, everybody has a different perspective. My view of the flu is, okay, if I get it, I get it, you know, and then I'll get better. You know, I'll be sick for a day or two and I'll get better. I mean, I knock on wood, as I say this, I can't remember getting the flu. I know I've had the flu, you know, at some point, but not in recent years, and I've probably just gotten lucky. You know, more than anything, I've probably just gotten lucky.

But if we can get this thing into that same, you know, area of the way people think about it, which is, you know, if I get the flu, I get the flu, I'll stay home from work, I'll medicate. myself and I'll fight through it and then I'll be, you know, well a few days later. And, you know, if there are meds, great. And if there's a vaccine, even better, you know. But I will tell you this, you know this about me. I've never gotten a flu shot before. I'm going to start getting a flu shot. Right.

I agree with you. You know, here's what's going to, one of the things, one of the many things that are going to change, at least initially, it may wear off after years, is, the impact of other people if you get sick, the impact to other people. That's part of the flu vaccine. Right. You know, don't get other people sick just because you can tolerate the flu. You know, I mean, don't get the old cashier at Safeway sick with the flu just because you can deal with it.

I think people are going to start thinking in terms of their fellow man a little bit more. when it comes to these kind of diseases, at least for a while. Yeah, I mean, look, I've told the story with you before about how, you know, and it's sort of been a badge of honor that I just, I don't really miss, and I just never have as an adult. I've never really missed days for work. I mean, there have been a couple of days here and there. I remember the last time I legitimately missed a day for being sick.

I had strep throat and a fever. And, you know, and I didn't go in, and I, somebody covered for me, or maybe it was when I was doing the show with you. I can't remember. And some people used to give me a hard time because I talked about how, you know, I was definitely the father and my wife was definitely the mother, where our kids didn't stay home with the sniffles. You know, if you had the sniffles, you went to school.

You know, you were going to have to go to work, so you were going to school. Like, you had to be legitimately sick to stay home, you know, dad, mom, I've got a headache or I've got a cold. Get up and get to school. Well, you know, it's not that easy anymore after going through something like this. You really do. And I probably should have been more concerned about the other kids or going to work and not feeling great. There have been so many days, Tommy. And all of us, this is not, you know, a martyr thing. Many of you have done the same thing. So many days when I would have much preferred to have just said, oh my God, I do not feel well. I don't want to go to work. But I went up in, you know,

I think sometimes too, getting up and getting into a hot shower and moving your body and getting to work and having something important to focus on, you sort of don't let it, you know, get to the point where it's really debilitating. And a lot of people do that. And a lot of people don't have a choice. You know, they have to go to work. But I think all of this is going to change some of that. I do. I think people sort of understand, like, wow, germs really do pass that easily. And, you know, if I'm really feeling sick, it's easy for me to give it to somebody else.

And that's not very nice and that's not very responsible. And, yeah, a lot of things. And at least initially, there will be that. And maybe it'll last. Hopefully it'll last. Let me ask you a question. Hand shakes. disappear? Yeah.

It's certainly in the short term. I think forever, pretty much. That's weird, man. You know? Hand shakes. I like shaking hands, too. I mean, of course, I love shaking hands. I mean, to me, to me, I'll be honest with you. I think it's sometimes revealing of, you know, something about somebody, the way they shake your hand,

the way they, you know, they look you in the eye with a firm grip. I mean, that's the way I was taught, and, you know, and that's what you're supposed to do. And, you know, I think when somebody doesn't look you in the eye, when they shake your hand or they throw out a dead fish, don't you sort of think differently about that person? Well, yeah, unfortunately. But, and it's always interesting because I've told you this before, that the weakest handshake you get are from boxers. I know because their hands are so valuable, yeah. Yeah, and plus because their hands are usually sore.

from working out. They don't give out Dexter Manly handshakes, that's for sure. No, no, they don't. But I think, I mean, moving forward, my inclination is not to shake hands. Yeah, I mean, I'm walking around, you know, 24 hours a day, seven days a week now, with my bag, and I'll rattle it here, and it's a bag full of, you know, baby wipes, you know, drenched in rubbing alcohol. This is what my wife has been doing

and supplying for all of us. And it's in a plastic bag and I use it like when I walk into this studio, I have it in my hand so that I use it on every door handle, you know, so I don't touch any door handles. And I come in and then I wipe everything down before I get started. I actually,

I ask that they don't have the person come in to pick up the trash at night, but they've been doing it anyway. I've got to get that message out. I can empty my own trash. I don't need them to come in and vacuum and empty the trash. I don't want anybody in this studio. I want to be able to walk into the studio knowing that nobody's been here. You know, and yeah, a lot of these things are going to change. I mean, at least in the short term. And then all of a sudden there will be a vaccine for this and a

treatment for this. And, you know, no one will get sick for six months or seven months or a year or whatever. And then I think, you know, it could easily go back to the way it was. But I think in the short to midterm, there are going to be a lot of changes. I mean, we've talked about some of them. I mean, look at all the businesses. There are going to be a lot of restaurants that never come back. A lot of businesses that never, never come back, you know, which will change sort of the landscape of communities in many ways. You know, it's weird. Yes, yes, it will.

How has life been in the sea and compound? I'm getting accused of being, you know, not really involved as much. much because I get home and I'm in my office or I go to my room. I don't want to be around everybody. You know, I mean, now, with my sons, I've told you, you know, we've got seven people in the house. We have, my wife, me, my three boys, and two of my sons have their girlfriends at our house. One flew in from L.A. three weeks, two and a half weeks ago, three weeks, two and a half weeks ago, three weeks ago now. I've lost track of time. And, you know, and she, she's great. I mean, I'm thrilled that she's here. In many ways, actually, having them here means that it's been

probably a more, a more chaos-free household, because I think the three boys in particular would have been at each other's throats if they, if they didn't have, you know. Yeah. But, but yeah, but I don't want to be in, you know, I mean, we, go out almost every day, and I walk the dog a lot. We play basketball in the backyard. We've been playing horse a lot. I know we're going to get to that here. But we've been playing a lot of basketball in the backyard, throwing the football around a lot in the backyard. My boys and I, you know, we've had the grill going and, you know, we've got a fire, sort of a, you know, a standalone fire pit. So we've had a couple of nights where we've, you know, we put a fire out there, had the grill going

with steaks or burgers or whatever and been playing basketball. But like when I get home today, I don't want to, I mean, I got nothing to say. I just did a radio show and I did a podcast. It's, you know, it's not digging ditches. I understand that. But as you know, you have a lot of preparation for the following day to get ready for, you know, a three hour radio show hosted by yourself, as I've been doing for a while now. And there's a lot more preparation involved. And, you know, know, I don't, it's not like I have the rest of the house. Like, they're in, you know, the family rooms. Some of them are in the family room.

Some of them are downstairs. Everybody's watching TV or taking the dog for a while. I don't need to be involved every second of the day trying to entertain anybody. This is the big difference between a parent and a set of parents with older kids and a set of parents with younger kids. I mean, there are a lot of young kids. They're neighbors across the street. Younger couple. They're in their, I don't know, early 30s, mid-30s.

and they've got four kids under the age of five, you know, and I watch them and they're out riding bikes, and they've got to entertain them all day long. I mean, that's exhausting. Exhausting. For me, the only exhausting portion of my day is talking to you. After that, I'm good. But you see, the lesson that we're supposed to be learning here

is that it's not just about you. And if people in your household feel that you're not, being part of it. You've got to recognize that. No, but not being a part of it is keeping myself healthy and I'm the one going out. You know, they've actually been very responsible. Now, there have been a couple of trips to a supermarket here or there or a curbside restaurant pickup, all right? And I, you know, but my wife and I are still working. We're the ones that are actually, you know, potentially bringing the risk back in the home. Now, I'm not taking much of a risk. You my situation here. I'm a mile from here. I get in my car. I've got my, you know, rubbing alcohol

baby wipes in my hand. I don't see anybody here. I come into the studio. I do, you know, I do the radio show. I do the podcast and then I'm gone, although I've been hanging out here a little bit longer here in recent days because it's just better to be here than what is at home. Yeah, but, but, you know, and my wife's like, you know, are you just going to be in the office all day or upstairs all day? And I'm like, well, what is it that you want me to do? I mean, we, we, we clean. we do the, we're doing our, we're doing our own cleaning of the house. You know, we did have somebody that would come in and, you know, do, clean the house. We're doing that now. You know, I definitely participate in all of that. You know, that's sort of the way I am anyway. You know, I hate,

I hate a dirty house. I, we're, my wife and I are the same. We, we both sort of are OCD when it comes to or being organized and having everything clean. But, you know, am I supposed to entertain? boys? You know, they're all... No, you're not. But your boys are not asking the question. Your wife... It's my wife. Let me ask you. Yeah. Okay. Have you played any games of Scrabble? No. We've not... There hasn't been one board game played. Well, I'd suggest maybe you mentioned to your wife. Let's play a game of Scrabble. So we're all touching all the little Scrabble pieces and we're within six feet of each other? That has made in a box. that have been in a box for probably decades. We have a lot of, you know, there's a, there's a closet somewhere,

and I'm trying to remember where it is because I've seen them, but we have board games in the house. You know, monopolies in the house, scrabble, I guarantee you, is in the house. I think it would go a long way. Trivial pursuit. As a gesture, if you brought that out and you suggested to her, that you play. I think it would go, I think in terms of banking some goodwill,

I think it would go a long way. I think it would buy you a week of isolation. I think it's a really good idea, because you know the answer is going to be. Nah, not right now. That'll be the answer. Oh, that's a great idea, great idea. But let's not do it now. Let's do it later.

All right, let's do it later. We'll do it later. Just was thinking about something we could do as a group. There you go. But they love that. They love that stuff. We've been playing a lot of horse in the backyard. Your wife playing horse? No, no, no, no. My boys and I.

And, you know, not. Are you ready for it? How's your horse game? You know, that's one thing your boy can do a little bit. Your boy can shoot it. Oh, I'm sure you can. Yeah, so, and I can create a lot of, you know, but my youngest son can really shoot it too. So it's usually like three of us,

so we'll be playing three. We haven't done a four game, man, horse game. But it usually comes down to my youngest against me at the very end with the, you know, I'll have like H-O-H-O and he'll have like H. And then we'll battle it out for a while. And he's prevailed more than I have. He's got ridiculous range. Oh, okay.

Yeah, he can really, I mean, that's the one thing he could always do was shoot it too. But, yeah, so you read the story because you brought it up, and I actually talked about it on the radio show this morning, that the NBA and ESPN are planning to televise a horseshooting competition. Guys like Chris Paul and Trey Young and Zach Levine are all going to be involved. WNBA players are going to be involved. The players are going to film competing at their own home locations on. on indoor or outdoor courts. And, you know, they're going to tape it, I guess.

I don't know exactly how it's going to work. I can tell you this. I have zero interest in this. Zero. Really? It's just like an NBA game. It's the same thing. So that was your angle all along?

This is why you wanted to talk about it. Oh, it's no different than an NBA game? No, it's not much different than an NBA game. My question to you is, do you think you could compete? Oh, in a horse competition? Yeah. Right now? No, but that's because I haven't been playing.

You know, up until like a year ago, I was still playing two to three days a week. So I would have told you a year ago, oh, yeah, in a horse competition, absolutely. Absolutely, I would be able to hang in there. I wouldn't beat, you know, I wouldn't beat the best of the best. But if I got some dude that couldn't shoot it, that was more of a. defensive specialist, you know, and was a 63% or 58% free throw shooter, I would just go to the line and crush them. But no, I don't have any interest in watching this, but I'll tell you what it did bring up and why I brought it up on the show this morning. I am just old enough, and you are old enough, to remember at halftime of NBA games on CBS back in the 1970s,

the horse competition between two star players. And if you go to YouTube, you can find all of those. There's a Pete Marevich versus George Gervin. There's a Kevin Grevy against Jojo White. Bob McAdoo against Pete Marevich. And that was like a big deal. I remember Paul Westfall was a really good horse player. I remember watching those things and always hoping that one of the bullets would, you know,

would be involved in it. and I think Elvin Hayes did it one year, and then Kevin Grevy was a horse competitor. But those were like five to six, you know, five-minute edited segments for a half-time of NBA games. Do you remember that? No, absolutely. I remember those. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I mean, look, everyone is in dire fear, at least sports fans are, of a world post-NFL draft. because there's really nothing once the NFL draft comes and goes

to really talk about at that point. And look, I think there'll be people that will watch NBA horse. I won't because, like I said, it's too much like an NBA game. But could you create something similar with the NFL? Like having quarterbacks at their home fields where they're working out or at their wherever, do some kind of pass-catching drill in competition with other quarterbacks from their site and broadcast it. It wouldn't be for me.

I wouldn't watch it. But people would. People watch the combine, Evan. Yeah, that's different, though, because you're looking at, you know, future stars in the NFL and you're trying to do your own evaluation and play GM and the whole thing and, you know, be the guy that knows the most about the upcoming draft. If Swain Haskins isn't up against Drew Brees in a best of 10 task catching competition or some kind of manufactured competition, you're not going to watch

it? Nah, I wouldn't be interested. I'm telling you, I wouldn't be interested at all. I mean, I think one of the things, I think we talked about this the other day, one of the things that I think I've learned here, I would have guessed this anyway, because I think I was sort of heading in that direction anyway. But I don't need sports right now. I need it for my profession.

Don't get me wrong. I'd much rather be talking about, you know, games, and this is the time of the year where you can really get into the caps and the NHL playoffs. And, you know, it's fun to talk about those games, you know, the morning after, the day after. But no, I would much rather sit down and watch a movie or watch a show or watch the news or watch much rather than watch some bullshit, you know, skills competition. You know, like the 1970s superstars. What?

Do you think a segment of the population would watch it? I don't know. I'm sure. I think they would. I don't think it's a big segment. I think if the NFL was smart, they would manufacture some kind of version of horse for themselves to broadcast after the draft. Yeah.

First of all, horse is easier to do, I mean, because this is what they do. They shoot the ball, as you say, they just shoot it. They're just shooting it. But they shoot a ball into it. I mean, now you're talking about Dwayne Haskins trying to throw it through some big board with a hole in it or something. You know, I don't think either one of them is going to generate much of an audience personally. I would be, you know, I'd be curious, and I don't know the answer to this. How many people are watching these older games?

on TV. I did watch the thrill in Manila the other night. That was on, I watched rounds 11 through 15. What a great fight that was. What a spectacular fight. Yeah, I watched the whole documentary about it last week. I've seen that documentary. That's excellent.

Yeah, yeah. And you're right, you know, listen, you know what I'm watching right now? I taped it, and I'm in the middle of watching it. Game 7 of the 1968 World Series between the Tigers and the Cardinals. I mean, watching Bob Gibson on the mound, it's just great. I mean, you know, it's just great to watch. And, you know, the other night, they showed the Cal Ripkin,

2131 record-setting game, and I think a lot of people wound up watching that, including Cal, who had just joined social media that day. And I enjoy watching that. So I'm a big fan of watching old-time games. So I've been taping and watching games like that. A lot of football live, you know, a football life episode. I've been watching a lot of other.

I watch the – I enjoy those. I told you I watched the Paul Brown one the other day, and then the Al Davis one afterwards, which was excellent as well. But back to – Back to the 68 World Series. Real quickly, because I don't want to lose this thought. That's actually the one thing other than a couple of the fights that have been on. I've actually watched some MLB Network old games.

Like last night, they had on the 91 World Series Game 7 between Atlanta and Minnesota. They also had the Atlanta Pittsburgh Game 7 from that year or the year before. A couple of days ago they had, or maybe a week or so ago, they had the playoff game in, in 78 between the Red Sox and the Yankees, the one, you know, the Bucky Dent game. And I actually really enjoy that. I think one of the reasons for that, by the way, they had the 79 World Series between the Pirates and the Orioles on the other night as well. I was watching some of that. I find that, I'll tell you why I think I find that interesting. First of all, I remember a lot of that. Secondly, I love baseball postseason, but that's,

for whatever reason, not the stuff that I have watched on YouTube over the years. Most of the YouTube games that I've watched have been football or basketball games, primarily, not baseball games. So some of these, like I'm seeing for the first time since I actually watched them. You know, that We Are Family Pittsburgh team in 1979, where they played, you know, in the snow at Memorial Stadium. I remember that series so well. That was such an exciting World Series in 79 between the Orioles.

And it's funny because I was never a big Orioles fan, but all my friends were. So I got caught up in 79 and in 83 a little bit with the Orioles, you know, halfway rooting for them, even though I really wasn't passionate about the Orioles. But some of those games, they had the game one from the 88 World Series, the Dodgers, you know, A's, the Kirk Gibson walk off on the other night. But they also tell great stories. There's usually a cast talking about these games, which is great, too. Yeah, so, I mean, that can sustain me for a long time.

You know, it really can. But I think there's a segment of the population that want to see their current stars in any way. I think there's a segment of the population that would watch Drew Greaves, at home under quarantine. Well, that's different than watching him, you know, compete in two different locations and a passing skills thing against Dwayne Haskins. It's the same premise.

No, but you're learning something about the person and his family and his situation. It's a reality thing. I don't know. I mean, I just think there's people that just, there's a segment of the fan base that are starved for anything to do with these players. and we'll watch them under any conditions as opposed to nothing to watch. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know, right now, like if I don't get live sports, right now,

I'd much rather have live sports and not have live sports for multiple reasons, including giving us a lot more to talk about, you know, the day after. But I don't know. I mean, I've been listening to some podcasts. I think I told you this, because you and I are huge. office fans that Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey do this office rewatch podcast. Did I tell you about this or not? I don't think so. It's actually really good. And I've been listening to it here and there over the last month, but over the last couple of weeks in particular, I'll either

listen to music or I'll listen to that podcast. It's really good. The two of them basically do episode by episode, Tommy, a rewatch podcast that, you know, each of them are about an hour and 20 minutes, hour and 15 minutes in length, and they give you the whole background of the episode and how it was shot and where it was shot and different things that happened. And I mean, I actually think you would like it. And so I've been listening to that a little bit. I've been watching, you know, over the weekend, I think I told you the other day, you know, that I watched 1917.

I really liked that. Did I tell you that or not? No, you didn't, and I haven't seen it yet. Really liked 1917. really enjoyed the scheme. I don't know if I told you about that or not the other day. Maybe I didn't. The scheme on HBO, the documentary about Christian Dawkins and the recent basketball scandal.

My God, you don't have to love college basketball to like this documentary. It was well done, but the biggest takeaway is just how much the FBI chickened out. They could have easily roasted Sean Miller, Will Wade, and Rick Petino, and they didn't. Instead, they put this guy, Christian Dawkins, into prison for a year. And my next thing, you know, I'm going to catch up on Ozark. You know, everybody loves season three, so I'm going to get caught up on that. But I don't need live sports right now other than professionally. I'm not missing NBA regular season.

I'm not missing Major League Baseball early in the year. You know, I'm following the draft in NFL Free Agency, which I would be doing anyway because it still exists. You know, the NHL playoffs would have started last night. I do enjoy that, and I definitely enjoy the NBA playoffs. And it sucks that we didn't have March Madness. But ultimately, of course, I'm pissed off that we didn't get to see Maryland and see a tournament. But I don't know.

The NFL would be the one. The NFL would be devastating. You get me to September, and there's no football to look forward to each week on Saturday and Sunday, and that'll be a massive game changer. That'll be depressing. But I tell you what, I think you'll have a smaller segment of the population that would be hit hard than if it was going on now.

I think by then people would have settled into a lifestyle. Not everybody. Some people would have learned to live without a lot of things that they've lived with. And it just would be, for some people, it would just be one more thing that they could live without. If it was happening now, it would be much harder, much harder. I don't think there's any doubt about that in what you, you've brought up. And again, for whatever reason, I thought we talked about this on Tuesday, but it sounds like we didn't.

People, this is a risk to sports right now. Don't kid yourself. People are learning that they can live without them. They're also discovering what a time suck they. are. And I'm talking about the real hardcore sports fan that sits there every night and watches, you know, NBA games on NBA TV and the NBA package and NHL games on the NHL package. And all the sudden they're realizing, my God, I spend a lot of time watching sports and I've missed out on some of these other things. These are, my family, I actually like them. You know, I actually

like doing certain things that I didn't, you know, that I wouldn't have been doing this time of year. But I think if it had started for football season, you're right, it would have been, oh my God, we would have been the pressure, Tommy, you know, haven't discussed this. The pressure for football to come back, if this thing had happened in early September, let's say after week one, and they shut down the league, you know, second weekend in September, the pressure to get football back in playing, even if it's in front of empty crowds, would be much greater than the pressure right. now on baseball hockey in the NBA and golf majors and the tournament, et cetera? I agree. I agree. A hundred percent on that. Do you think that the NFL would be trying to figure out, hey, we got to play our games, man. This is important for the country. I think the president would be hammering them on it. So, yeah. And since a lot of these owners are allies of his, yeah, I think the owners would be pressuring Goodell to

come up with a way to get the product back on the field somehow. Well, let me. But here's the other thing. You know, I mean, a lot of this is out of their hands. Local government officials are making these decisions. Well, they are. That's true. But if you, you know, if you don't have any, well, I guess it would be based on whether

or not the NFL workers would be considered essential, you know, in some of these places. but you could find a place where you could play these games. I think it's actually interesting to consider what we just laid out, that if this had happened in early September and you had played week one and then all of a sudden week two was canceled, and then all of a sudden the NFL postponed indefinitely, the pressure to play these games and whether or not we would be on the verge of playing NFL games right now after a month of this,

versus where we are with baseball and hockey in the NBA. If there would have been such overwhelming, pressure for the nation's mental well-being. We need the NFL back on on Sundays. You know, and college football would be more difficult, you know, in some, maybe it would be, maybe it wouldn't be, I don't know, but the NFL is king. Would we be on the verge of seeing the NFL resume its season after four weeks of this? I think it'd be much more of a political fight than what we're dealing with now. ultimately, I don't think they'd be able to.

I just don't think they'd be able to do it. And to be honest with you, I think that this mental well-being thing is a little bit overblown and exaggerated. You know, I mean, look, it's easy for me to say. I don't have the same, I'm not talking about economic hardships that people are going through. Let me make that clear. Yeah, I know.

I mean, there are families that are going through. Right. talking about the sports, you know, grow up everybody, tough it out. You know what your grandparents went through? You know? Yeah. And because you're sitting at home and the things you like to watch on TV, you don't have all of them, it's some kind of burden.

I mean, I'm a little bit sick of that narrative. Well, I... Mental well-being of the country. I mean, the only mental well-being I'm concerned about is people's lives and economic lives as well. No, I know what you're saying. And look, World War II, all these sports were canceled. But sports weren't as important.

The sports that were important, like boxing and horse racing, I think boxing continued through the war, right? There were still big fights. But the reason you didn't have other professional sports is you didn't have the players. They were fighting. I'm sorry, go ahead. What else was important? What else was important was gasoline and rubber and food. Right. And munitions.

And that was that was rationed out. Yeah. You know, that wasn't available to everybody. And having blackouts in case you were being bombed. Right. And 10 years earlier, redlined, you know, because there wasn't enough food for everybody to eat. I mean, it's not the best. It's not the best comparison because sports wasn't in 1942, 43, 44, and 45.

the part of the economic engine that it is today. You know, it just... I understand that. Yeah. I understand that, but I'm just talking about this idea of how can we survive without watching sports mentality. I mean, I think it's overblown. I think we become soft, and I'm the last guy to say that. Well, I think what you're saying is the point I made earlier,

and that is that people are starting to read. realize and they're learning that they don't need it as much as they thought they did. You know, the complaints, you know, there are people that are complaining and there are people that are saying that, you know, I need it. And I, look, you know, I really feel for the people who are alone right now. Like, that is, the people that live alone and can't go to work or have been laid off and are lonely. I mean, I can only imagine how awful that is, you know, many times I've joked over the years and friends of mine and I will joke about, you know, my next move is to a one-bedroom efficiency, you know, with a couch and a refrigerator and a couple of big screens.

But really, you know, ultimately we all are, you know, I don't know, I need to be around people. As much as I'm fine being alone for a period of time and I do well being alone for a period of time, it can't be that long. you know, but back to the other thing, yeah, it's, I understand what you're saying, obviously. You know, not having the NFL would be a mental drain for a lot of people and it would be a drag and it would be, it would be, you know, it's because it's been a habit, it's a habit. Like the NFL is so much different than the other sports. There is a habit around the NFL. There's an addiction to the schedule of the NFL season, the rhythm.

of the NFL season. So you'd really be shaking your own sort of internal world with no NFL if you're a football fan like most of you that are listening. And I am and Tommy is. But yeah, I mean, obviously there are more important things than sports. A lot more important. Yeah. Listen, I think it's more of a dependency than an addiction. But that still doesn't diminish how there be a withdrawal level without it, particularly if it wasn't going on now, if this had happened in the middle of the NFL season now. Listen, I just wanted something popped in my head, and I wanted to keep it there. You were talking about movies.

You watched 1917. I wanted to bounce this off of you because this is movie Heresy. Have you seen No Country for Old Men? Yeah, loved it. Love the book, too. Okay. The first time I watched it, and listen, I'd love the Cohn Brothers. I love the Cone Brothers.

One of my favorite movies of all time is Miller's Crossing. The first time I watched No Country for All Men, I'm thinking. I'm not that impressed. I didn't think it was that good. You just watched it for the first time? No, no. I watched it when it first came out. Oh, okay.

So I watched it again recently, saying, well, I'm going to give this another chance. Same reaction. I mean, I don't get it. I don't understand. I tell you what, there will be blood. There Will Be Blood was a much better movie. Oh, I love There Will Be Blood. And should have won the Academy Award that year instead of No Country for Old Men.

I just think, for me, it just didn't do it. Well, I liked No Country for Old Men. I've probably seen it a half dozen times now. If it's on or whatever, I'll watch it. It is really dark. It's, you know, the whole thing. Cormac McCarthy wrote that book. And also, you know, Cormack McCarthy's written some of the best books ever,

and I'm not a big writer, you know, anymore. But Blood Meridians is one of the greatest books of all time. And anyway, the Cohn brothers, you know, took that and turned it into a movie. And it was Javier Bardem, right? Yeah. And they won the office. That was best picture that year. I thought it was really good.

There will be blood. It's funny. I think there's a real sort of split on that. I know a lot of people. I remember when it came out, and I loved it. I thought it was excellent. Daniel Day Lewis is phenomenal in everything. But I remember a lot of people did not like the movie.

Thought it was really slow. I think that movie's excellent. I just watched it recently with one of my boys. This was before pandemic. I watched it with Corbyn. I think we sat down and watched it. seen it. I love that movie. So good. So after the movie, did Corbyn walk around the house saying, I drink your milksick? I drink your milksick. He loved it. He loved it, too. That's a brilliant

movie. So anyway, so you brought this up just to say, no country old men, for old men, you still don't like it. You watch it again, and you still don't like it. Yeah. Yeah, and I know that that goes against the grain for most people. But, oh yeah, have you ever seen Sicario? The first No. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I watched the sequel, though, the other night. I forget what it's called,

Sicario Day of the, I don't know, whatever it's called. And this is also Heresy. I like the sequel better than the original. But two movies you should watch are the two Sicario movies with James Rowland. You definitely would like them. I've been told to watch Parasite, which won the Academy Award last year. So that's on the list as well. You did see once upon a time in Hollywood, right?

Yeah, and again, when I first saw it on TV, I wasn't that impressed with it. Now, I've watched it subsequently a couple of times, and I've enjoyed it more and more each time I watch it. I think that was my prediction to you. I think we talked about this when it first came out, and I saw it, and I loved it, and I said, but it may be one of those Tarantino movies that, you know, you have to watch a couple of times and it just grows on you. And by the time you got to the third or fourth time, it's brilliant. Yes. You know, that has happened.

Yeah, because to me, In Glorious Bastards, which is my, you know, it's either in Glorious Basterds or Pulp Fiction in terms of Tarantino movies. And I love Reservoir Dogs, too. But in Glorious Bastards, I did not like the first time I saw it. I was like, really? And then I watched it again. I'm like, oh, this is pretty good. And now I've probably seen it 40 times. And it's just, it's so good.

It's so good. I know we've had the Tarantino conversation before, but you, I think it's you that's always told me that you loved both of the killbills. And I didn't at all. Well, I like Kill Bill volume. Kill Bill 2. Okay. Kill Bill 1, what didn't do much for me. And you love Jackie Brown, too, right?

Jackie Brown's my favorite Tarantino movie. That's right. That's right. It's the one based on an Elmore Leonard novel. Yeah. And because it's got a little bit of compassion in it, and most Tarantino movies don't have any of that. But I like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood a lot more now. So good.

And I probably watch it again. Well, I have not, I'm going to, you know, it's going to be on the list soon enough after I go through the things I haven't seen. But I think I said to you after I watched it and you hadn't seen it yet that you were going to love the late, you know, the late 60s, L.A., Hollywood, you know, the way he just nailed what it was like, you know, all the way down to like the music that was playing on the car radio when they were driving around. Like they did. He just, he gets all the detail right and that stuff. Actually, I downloaded on my playlist three songs from that soundtrack.

that I had forgotten about. What's on that soundtrack? I'm forgetting now. Well, Mitch Ryder. Mitch Ryder is CC Rider, the song, C.C. Rider. Right. And there's Paul Rivera and Raiders,

I think Good Thing, is on that, is on there. And I downloaded that. And Neil Diamond, Brother Love, Salvation Travel and Show, I downloaded that as well. Hmm. All right. I can't, for whatever reason, the soundtrack of that movie isn't, nothing's jumping out to me, you know, but whatever. All right. You want to talk some sports here for a few minutes?

Yeah, sure. Let's try it. You haven't had a chance to weigh in on the Ron Rivera press conference from the other day. I sort of went through it blow by blow yesterday. So where do you want to start? To you, what was the biggest takeaway from that press conference? Well, I think the biggest takeaway is his philosophy on the draft. I mean, to me, that was the biggest takeaway.

And what did you learn? Because that was a long, you know, some of his soundbites are Bill Callahan-esque, you know. But what did you? I don't, I think that they're not inclined. to trade away that pick. Right, I agree. That's what I think I learned from it. I think they're not inclined to trade that pick.

Yeah, I think what you learned is that he is, you know, I think the line in that particular sound bite was when he said, hold on, I'm going to find it here in a second. You know, if you do trade back, quote, did you really get value or did you just get a whole bunch of picks, you know, close quote, which is to say, you know, he had said it earlier in the soundbite when you're in the first five spots, those are immediate impact guys, you know, so I agree with him too. I mean, if you were absolutely convinced that Chase Young or Isaiah Simmons or, you know,

but I think it's going to be Chase Young is going to be one of the best pass rushers in the league for the next decade. I don't care. I said the other day that I would consider three first rounders in a second. I don't think anybody's going to give that up. But I just don't want them to pass on Chase Young. I don't want them to pass on that. I think he's as much of a sure thing at a key position on the field as I've seen as a football fan in a long time, and they're in position to take them. You know, it's very rare that you're in position to take a player of that caliber. I mean, I think if they got three first and a second, that that's a deal you make.

I don't think I'd make the deal, but I'd consider that one. I wouldn't consider anything less than that. But go ahead. And it depends on what the three first round picks are, who's offering them and where they are. That said, I agree with you. I think if Chase Young is a generational game-changing defensive player, I think you jump at the opportunity to take them.

Yeah. Look, all you've got to do is go back to. last year's number two pick, Nick Bosa. Nick Bosa was an absolute factor in every single game. He was a game wrecker, and he made everyone around him better. He turned that defense, which had some young talent on it, into, you know, arguably one of the better defenses we've seen in a long, long time in the NFL. If Chase Young is actually better, and people like Todd McShay say that he's even better

than Nick Bosa. And you know the Redskins do have some young pieces, pain, Alan, ionitis, sweat, et cetera. You have to take Chase Young. Somebody said to me today on the radio show, they said, so what are you going to do? You're going to have a surplus of defensive lineman. You got to trade, you know, Alan or Payne. I'm like, no, you don't. These guys don't play every snap. If you've got a rotation of pain in Alan and Ion and. and sweat and young, you know, five guys for four spots and a four to three, you know, that's pretty damn good. That could be really impactful. You know, you're going to give guys, and by the way, a lot of versatility in that defensive line. Allen can play end or inside. Ionitis can play

end or inside. I think we'll find out that Chase Young can play anywhere. You know, you can probably play safety and be dominant. Duron Payne is the most athletic guy in the defensive front right now. I mean, sweat is, but in terms of the interior defensive guys. So I wouldn't worry about a surplus at that position. I wouldn't. Oh, my God. I can't believe people would actually worry that that's some kind of a problem. Yeah, they haven't had a surplus in years. Yeah. On anything. What else? What about the Kyle Allen discussion? I think it opens a possibility that if there's a very short window of preparation for the season, Kyle Allen could be the quarterback.

Yeah. I don't know. My big two takeaways were, number one, three of them. Number one, what yours was, which is they're going to take Chase Young at number two. They're not going to trade down. Secondly, that Haskins is going to be the starter barring the absolute unforeseen. And by the way, the unforeseen is much more possible. these days than it ever was.

And then the third takeaway was just how much he is trying to reshape a culture as much as he's reshaping a roster and a coaching staff, et cetera. And a lot of what he talked about was, you know, culture related, whether it was his discussion about Thomas Davis or his discussion about John Bostic or his conversation about, you know, how he handled the Dunbar thing and the Nicholson thing. You know, he doesn't want. nonsense right now. He wants guys that he knows will sort of, you know, react and promote from the book of Ron Rivera. You know, he realizes, I think he realizes this place is a total

toxic shit show. Now, the other thing that he said that I'm surprised you didn't mention already was what he said about Dan Snyder. When he said, quote, I've probably talked with him daily to every other day, and really it's about what we're doing, what we're planning on doing, what's happening more so than anything else. I think the biggest thing is that he's really, is that he's really asked is really that he wants to be informed more so than just turning it over and turning a blind eye. I think he did the laissez-faire thing where he was hands off out of the way, so he just wants to know, and that's all that is. We talk through things. I've asked him for advice on certain things and certain issues.

For the most part, he's letting us do our thing. And he's given us the tools that gives us the opportunity to do our jobs. What did you make of him sort of saying that, you know, he's already done the thing where he's hands off and he's out of the way? Well, I think that's political bullshit is what it is. I mean, that's absolute political bullshit. and we know he didn't do that. He drafted your quarterback over the objections of the football people in the building.

That's not laissez-faire, you know? Yeah. So I think that that's political bullshit. I think he's like Mike Shanahan did, maybe like other smart, maybe the smart guys who have been in that building. I think he's trying to figure out the best way to handle Dan Snyder. And if that includes daily conversations, that's fine. You know, he owns a team.

I understand why you would have conversations with the owner every day about what he thinks is his most valuable asset. But, I mean, we're in what? We're in January, February, March. We're in the fourth month of the Ron Rivera era. I would hope that he's letting Ron Rivera do his thing and not interfering at this point. You know, come to me in the second season and let's see how it goes.

Yeah, I mean, I think you know this, but I think your reaction would indicate that you don't think that right now. And that is that Dan Snyder was a different owner from 2010 to 2019 than he was from 2000 to 2009. He wasn't as involved as he was in those first, you know, know, 10 years. Now, the problem is that he was involved enough to really do damage, you know, the relationship with Robert Griffin III being the number one involvement over the last 10 years of Dan Snyder that really damaged the franchise, damaged a young player, and, you know, it took

a few years to recover from that. And they really, you know, barely recovered from that for a brief period of time where they had a quarterback and they had an offense and they made a playoff run and they nearly made a second playoff run. He's been a different owner. Bruce Allen's been the guy running the day to day here for a while. That's been a disaster too, you know, but I think that's really what Ron is referring to there. I think what he's saying is that Bruce Allen was running this organization and Dan was letting him run the organization. And now he's, he wants to hear straight from the sources, you know, because Jay Gruden didn't report to Dan Snyder. He reported to Bruce. Right. You know, everybody in that organization reported to Bruce.

But at the same time, you know, we heard, you know, we heard, by the way, and somebody pointed this out, because I was talking about the culture change in Rivera's, you know, referral to that. It's what Dan said when he announced, you know, in the Happy Thanksgiving, you know, introductory. He said, we need a culture change. It was a shot at Bruce. He takes himself sort of at it off the hook or tries to. I mean, none of us are going to let him take himself a hook. I'm not giving him any kudos for taking a shot at Bruce Allen. It was almost gutless to do it then.

Yeah, it sort of was. Might as well have been more direct if you were going to do it. But I think, so what I was going to say about this was I think Ron Rivera is playing it in a way in which John Kime described in a column that he wrote back in December, which was that the new coach was going to need to include Dan Snyder to a certain degree and almost make him feel like he's more involved than he really is, and that that was important. You know, it's sort of pathetic that that's important, but whatever. It's his team, and a lot of owners are super involved.

And that Rivera's recognition. And maybe Joe Gibbs told him this. Look, be straight with Dan, communicate with Dan, let him know what's going on. He's going to give you everything you need to succeed. Don't leave him out in the dark, you know, like Shanahan did to a certain degree, like Bruce maybe did. And maybe, you know, it was Dan's fault that Bruce was leaving him out because Dan left Bruce in the job far too long. But, you know, it's the, you know, keep your enemies, keep your friends close and your enemies closer kind of a thing. not that he's viewing Dan as an enemy right now,

but it's sort of, I think maybe he's playing it the right way for right now. But at the same time, he is. Yeah, at the same time, he better produce some results sooner rather than later. Yeah, I think he is playing it well. I have ultimate faith that it will work at some point. But I think he's playing it well right now. And let me point out the difference between Dan Snyder, the first 10 years and Dan Snyder to the second 10 years, and I know this from my years of watching

law and order. Kevin, there are different degrees of crimes. There's first degree crimes, there's second degree crimes, and there's third degree crimes. They're still crimes. It just depends on the level of criminality involved. So he was still committing the same crime. They just might have been third degree instead of first degree. And don't you love it? like the part of the fan base that will tell you over and over again he's just trying to win he he loves this so these these these have been crimes of passion by dan sneer they've been crimes of passion by the way i think that's been one of the biggest bullshit explanations or or or sort of you know default answers on the few people the very few that don't despise dan snider for what he's done

to this organization they'll say look he wants to win He'll spend to win. You know, he's just hired the wrong guys. He's had some bad luck. No, no, no. If he really wanted to win, he would have never fired Marty Schottenheimer. If he really wanted to win, he would have said to RG3, your coach is who you go to for these complaints, not me. If he really wanted to win, he wouldn't have walked into the draft room after they put together the board over a year and said,

N-uh, we're taking the kid from Bullis, my son knows him. You know, that's just a, it's a bullshit answer. He doesn't want to win, okay? I mean, ultimately be really desperately, if all that mattered to him was winning, if he recognized years ago that winning would have been more valuable for him, would have produced more revenue for him than the months of March and April in the offseason, you know, he would have, he would have, done the right things, he's never understood what the right thing to do here is. I mean,

he may, as a result of all the things that he enjoys doing, winning would be nice, and I'm not saying he's rooting against winning, but if he really was interested in winning, there are too many examples of things that he would have done that would have proved it, and he did otherwise. Absolutely. But it's a new day, new dawn. It's a new day. It's a new dawn. All right. Last for you. I did this on radio today. Actually, two of them for you. The first one is this. And I should have done this right after we were talking about watching old games on television. But that's what people have been doing. They've been watching a lot of old games on television recently. Actually, I don't know how many people are doing that. I'm not doing it nearly as much

as probably some are. What's the one sporting event or game? If you could go back and attend or watch it right now. And without knowing what the outcome is going into it, going back and watching it again, what would you go back and watch again or attend again? Attend again that I've attended before. Attend or watch, but you're going back to experience it for the first time again. You're not going back knowing the results. You're going back...

That would be Ollie Fraser once. Yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people said that. Yeah, March 8, 1971. I watched it on closed circuit TV at Allentown Agricultural Hall in Pennsylvania. But to have been in the garden to have seen it, to have been part of that, I mean, that would carry me for a lifetime. That's feeling, knowing, I mean, I've had a lot of good fortune to have seen a lot of great things in my life. But to have seen that, that would have been just, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could, I could,

Call on that moment years later if I had experienced that in person. I totally get it. I mean, it's often been described as the single most impactful and important and significant and exciting sporting event of the 20th century. You know, anybody that was there in Madison Square Garden in March of 1971 for Ali Fraser 1, they've always decided. It was, look, I don't remember it, but it was probably the most hyped, the most anticipated sporting event of the century, right?

At least the second half. Ironically, the first half of the 20th century was also probably a fight. Can I guess, is it Schmelling and Lewis? Yeah, the second fight in 1938. The country is on the brink of World War II. Right. You know, Max Schmelling is Hitler's champion.

Joe Lewis is, is the real heavyweight champion at that point. And that's the other super fight of the century. That's the only fight that I can think of that can compare it to Ali Fraser one. In terms of the political to overtones as well. Sure. And Lewis won that fight right in a knockout in the first round. Knocked him out, knocked him out.

Yeah, 138, something like that. I think that's what it was. I have, you know, you can buy the sound to the call for that fight on, iTunes, so I have it on my iPhone. Oh, really? It doesn't last very long. Who called it? Do you know? I don't know who it was. It's a great old raspy voice. And am I correct in saying that Max Schmailing was not a Nazi sympathizer, that he was,

there was some shame in sort of carrying, you know, the Nazi flag and the Nazi label into that event or not? Am I wrong or not? No, you're right. You're right. Smelling years later turned out to be, I mean, you know, was a big supporter of Joe Lewis's and a close friend of his. And what's not, I mean, was a reluctant Nazi, you know, a symbol. He didn't want to be.

And years later, became a millionaire as a Coca-Cola distributor in Germany. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. For me, it would be an event that I went to, and I would want to go back, and I've referenced this, I've referred to this many, many times in the past, but there was nothing like the feeling of walking into RFK Stadium for the Cowboys Redskins' 1983 championship game. I've never felt that. You know, there have been some games. You know, I've been to a Yankee playoff game that was really exciting back in the 90s.

I've been in the garden for a Knicks playoff game. I've obviously been to many Maryland basketball games that were off the charts, electric atmospheres, you know, some of those games against Duke in the 2000s. But that day in the NFC championship game in 83, it was just 45 minutes. We never went to the games early. My father was basically a get there right before. kickoff and leave, you know, early guy. And it was my father, my brother and I, and we went to that game and we decided we were

going to go down there early. We were in our seats 45 minutes before kickoff, and so was everybody else. I've never, ever been to a game where 45 minutes before the game kicked. It was completely full, and people were chanting, we want Dallas. It was unbelievable the atmosphere that day. obviously it turned out well, too. But I've never experienced anything like that at a live sporting event. And, you know, people that aren't from here, and some of you listen that aren't from here or maybe think we're exaggerating. You can't ask Summerall anymore. Ask Madden what RFK was like

for a big game. He'll tell you it was his favorite place, that there was no feeling like that stadium for a big, you know, game in the 1980s. I would do that. The other one would be, I would actually love to go back and have the feeling that I had when Maryland first made it to the final four. In 2001, Tommy, they played Stanford in Anaheim in the Elite 8, and Casey Jacobson was the star of Stanford. Maryland had never been to the final four.

And I'll tell you, I think that's the most emotional as a sports fan of any of my my teams that I've ever been. Wow. I had waited my entire life and been disappointed so many times coming up just barely short. Maryland had never been to the final four. And when they beat Stanford and there was a countdown like of the final 20 seconds and Dixon had the ball in his hands. And I think it was Gus Johnson who was calling the play by play on CBS.

That was emotional for a lot of Maryland fans that they had finally made it to a final four. But, yeah, Frazier Ali won that would have been a hell of a night. Yeah. Yep, absolutely. It would have been a hell of a night. And one of the many stories out of that was James Taylor was supposed to play the garden that night. And they had to basically negotiate a deal with him.

That included tickets to the fight because he wound up wanting to see the fight as well. he got five tickets i think it was like jack kent cook was um a big part of that that fight right in promoting it put up the five million dollars yeah yeah exactly for the fight um all right you got anything else i got nothing else boss uh i mean there were a couple of things that i mentioned today uh that were sort of interesting i mean today would have been in the first day of the masters you don't care about that i'd steve sands on the radio show today talking about that Oh, I know what I wanted to mention to you. I actually thought this was really interesting.

Wimbledon has been paying for an insurance policy against a pandemic. For 17 years, they've been paying $2 million a year. I read that. They're all in $34 million for pandemic insurance, and they're going to get paid out $141 million. It's pretty impressive. Apparently the British Open Golf Tournament, the same thing. Yeah.

Although, you know, I was reading Darren Ravelle last night, and he talked about how, you know, this force measure, you know, basically these act of God events are going to, you know, get some of these people off the hook. But, you know, bottom line is this is missed massive revenue for some of these, you know, sporting events. And that's why some of them will be rescheduled. but in the case of the British Open Golf and Wimbledon,

they had these insurance policies. They're canceled. They're not going to reschedule. They'll take the insurance payout instead. Yeah. All right, we're done. Nothing else. Have a good weekend, Tommy.

I'll talk to you on Tuesday. Goodbye, buddy.