The Kevin Sheehan Show - Madrid + Christmas Looking More Likely?

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Kevin and Thom today opened with the miserable NBA Draft Lottery that left the Wizards with its worst possible outcome before getting to more misery....the Caps' Game 4 loss in Carolina. The Commanders now have two games on its 2025 schedule that have been announced officially. The boys are all in on a trip to Madrid to watch Washington face off against the Dolphins and Kevin thinks the Week 16 match-up against Philly may lead into a Christmas Day game against either Chicago or Green Bay. More on Trey Hendrickson and a feel-good story about this year's Heisman Trophy winner on the show as well.   Goldbelly.com, use code sheehan, for free shipping and 20% off your first order of food from around the US.  Go To WindowNation.com. Buy 4 windows, get 4 free!Betting on sports? Go to mybookie.ag. Use code KEVINDC for a bonus! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. He is Kevin. Tommy is here, as in studio today, because he was in Bethesda having lunch. I'm here, of course. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, Window Nation, 86690 Nation,

windownation.com if you need new windows. You just had lunch with Andy, and I just had a kind of, conversation with Zabe. Okay. Because I was on his podcast. Just like the old days. You walked in just as I finished recording with him, just like the old days. Okay.

How was lunch? Lunch was good. We do this thing called the old guys lunch. Right. And it's people who have been in media in D.C. For a long time. Over the years. And we get together in Bethesda once a month and just shoot the breeze.

Ernie puts the whole thing together. Yeah. Ernie Bauer puts the whole thing together. it on. Yep. You know, and there's some people who very recognizable to who was there today. Give us the list of stars. Chris Gordon was there. Love Chris Gordon. Chris Gordon. Ernie was there. Yeah. Who else was there? Marty Aronoff. Marty was there? Yeah, legendary. You know, I am on the email, and I did see Marty's name. Yeah. I, one of my all-time favorite people. Absolutely. All-time favorite. Dave Statler was there? Dave Stattler. He's from,

Radio. Yeah, yeah. Statter, I think. Statter. I'm sorry, statter. Yeah. Yeah. So there were quite a few people there. It was fun. I think I've told you this story before, but this was long before I got into this business in terms of broadcasting. But I ran into Marty Aronoff at O'Hare Airport in Chicago. I was getting dropped off. Marty Aronoff was checking baggage. I recognized him as Marty Aronoff. And, you know, I had worked briefly in television after college for Channel 5, Steve Buckhant's Ernie Bauer. That's how I got to know to all those guys.

And then I got out of it. But I met Marty at one point because we were doing Redskins preseason games on Channel 5, and Marty was the statistician. Statistician to the stars. And so I was in Chicago. He was probably doing a Bulls game or something. And he was at the airport checking in. I was at the airport checking in, and I walked up to him, and I introduced myself to him,

and he said, yeah, I remember you, Kevin. It probably didn't. Oh, I bet he did. And I said, you know, and this was kind of at that point where I was getting the itch to try to get back into broadcasting. Right. And I said, you know, I'm actually going to try to get back into broadcasting, and he just looked at me and he goes, you're going to do it.

You're going to do it. And then after I got back into it and things started to happen, whenever I would run into Marty, he would just say, remember, I saw you at O'Hare that day. And I told you that you were going to do it. What a nice man. What a legendary, legendary statistician to the stars, to Brett Musper. Yes. To, I think, Summerall and Madden, or maybe it was Michaels and Madden on Monday night. Like if you think about the number one crews in all of the four major sports television-wise,

they all wanted Marty to be by his side. I think he was by Dick Stockton's side for years. Definitely Brent's, I'm pretty sure. And he was, you know, I'm sure they had statisticians before Marty Aeronoff, but he's the all-time legendary statistics. He was telling the story about how he did the stats for Brut. at the 78 Bullets Championship game in Seattle. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. And he rode the bus back from the arena when they stopped to get a bunch of booze at a liquor store to celebrate. They did. Yes. Remember that we had Bobby Dandrich and Kevin Grevy on one of those lunch with the legends. Yeah. And they said the most amazing thing is after celebrating in Seattle in the locker room,

they had to pull over it like a liquor store to get a bunch of champagne to put on the bus on the way to the airport. Those were the days in the NBA. Now, all you do is just rigged draft lotteries, apparently. Rig draft lotteries. You're not going to drive down that path, are you? No. But I thought you might. Oh, no, no, no.

My philosophy of all conspiracies is this. In order to carry a conspiracy, as long as this one supposedly, lasted. There's a long list of people who have to shut up about it. For years. For years. I mean, people television executives, NBA officials,

accounting executives, you know, all of them, you know, I mean, telling, they're not sitting there telling their grandchildren stories. Oh, you should see the way we rigged this the Patrick Ewing draft. I mean,

again, people have to, there's so many people involved in a conspiracy. They all have to stay quiet and people like to talk. I'm with you, of course. And I knew that this wasn't your path, but I had just gotten off the phone with Zabe. And guess what? Say it thinks it's rigged. Um, for me. And I, you know, the conversation about it doesn't annoy me. It doesn't like, I saw it on social media and I took some calls today on radio. It's just like so absurd to think about it. Like the NBA, like if you just think about it in terms of risk reward, the reward for rigging a draft lottery so that, you know, Luca went to the, you know, Lakers and then the quid pro quo was Dallas was going to get Cooper

flag. You're talking about like, you know, a little bit of extra revenue because of extra TV ratings or whatever with Luke in L.A. The NBA just last year did a television deal for 11 years worth $76 billion. $76 billion, okay? Over 11 years with Disney, with NBC, with Amazon. All right. Do you think that anybody in their right mind would put that at risk for just a few million and maybe the Lakers playing more meaningful games with Luca Donchich in the regular season becoming.

I mean, because they do call that if they were to get caught fraud and conspiracy. And I don't think Adam Silver's going to jail for that after doing a $76 billion TV deal. And here's the other thing that, look, I think this is common sense, but I don't know the thinking inside the NBA headquarters. I would think after 50 years, 40 years, let's say 46 years, of this franchise walking in the desert, that they would want Washington to be a successful franchise in the NBA. I don't know about that. I think they would. I would think, look, I think up and down the east, I think Boston, Philly, New York, Washington.

They would like all those teams. Washington is not considered to be an NBA. market. It's irrelevant. You've been tweeting about it for years. But it's a basketball market. It is. You're not the first one to figure this out. I know, but for whatever reason, it's not an NBA town.

It just hasn't been for years. The wizards are irrelevant. Free agents have zero desire to come here. Well, I think that's because of decades of ineptitude. And decades of being totally irrelevant. Yes. That's manufactured. That's not.

that's not by design. That's something that's happened through poor management over the years. You know, I think, and I don't know that I'm right anymore, but I've thought forever that if the Wizards were ever really great, it would be the easy number two in this town behind the skins. I still think that that might happen. But I don't know, man, basketball is important to so many more people in this town than any other sport is by far.

You know, youth basketball, high school basketball, college basketball, as we know. But for whatever reason, man, this NBA team, the Wizards. It's just, and I am, you know, you've written about it recently, but I actually am in favor of what they're doing right now. It's the only way because they're not a desirable franchise for really good players to come to, for whatever reason, whether it's taxes, whether it's, you know, cold weather, whether it's the fact that they've lost forever, the fact that, you know, they don't have a massive fan base because they don't.

Right. The Wizards don't have a massive fan base. Did you see the scenes last night in New York outside of the garden? I watched that. And the garden itself last night, I mean, that was about, that was incredible. I know. We don't have that. No, we don't have that.

And we've never had that. No. But I think you could. I think you could. In my dreams, I'd like to think that it could happen. You had those scenes for the capitals. Okay. There's no reason why you wouldn't have it for something as more high profile as the NBA.

You would have that in any NBA city. I'm just not saying that the NBA is like looking at D.C. saying that's where we want to see it. We want to see Washington resuscitated as an NBA town. What are you resuscitating it from? It's never been in NBA town. You're now nearly 50 years removed from the bullets being like, and the NBA didn't matter then. You were, the team was here for six years the last time they won 50 games in the season. Since then, not one 50 game win season.

I know. And, you know, look, you're right. They don't have any choice but to do it the way they're doing it. but it is going to be a slow plotting process now since they didn't get the franchise changing player. They're not going to get the franchise changing player in the lottery. The thing that, like I really was rooting for last night. Why? Because I do have a dream that the Wizards could be relevant one day.

And I think it would be good for what this podcast and the radio show, anytime any of the local sports teams are really good. It's better for us. But for me, specifically, I love basketball. And I actually really do like the Wizards and would love to see it. Remember when they were kind of good with John and Bradley Beale and how into it I was? Yeah. I mean, and, you know, and I was a little bit disappointed even at the reaction then.

Like there were a couple of games that weren't so out. Playoff games, empty seats. Mike Tarigo talking about it on the air. Now they jacked up the prices, remember for some of those games? Ted did. But last night the missed opportunity wasn't that Cooper Flag might end up being that guy. It was that the Wizards for a brief moment like the next year and maybe two years would have been relevant. Like they would have been exposed as a team that has a chance in the coming years.

The attention would have been on how's Cooper Flagg doing in Washington? with all of those other young players. And by the way, they'll add another at 18 overall in the first round. Yes. And we're not going to get to see that. Next year, it's going to be another 16 or 17 wins. Yes, another one. And again, I've told this before.

It could work. They have no choice. They dug themselves a hole. Ted Leonces has dug this franchise a hole by wasting the first decade of his ownership with Ernie Grunfeld as a general manager. And as a result of that, this is the only path they can take at this point. Okay.

And that doesn't mean people shouldn't be angry about it. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be angry that their NBA franchise, you know, after 20 years, almost 15 years of owning this team, the owner of the team is relying on ping pong balls for the future of the franchise. Right.

That should piss people off. what a night though for washing in sports okay listen okay uh 719 the wizards find out they're picking sixth in in the lottery in the draft yeah uh nine minutes later the capitals go down one nothing to carolina okay and then the brave two hours later uh the gnats after tying the game at three to three, losing a bottom of the line, four to three at nine thirty seven. At nine thirty-eight, when the caps had just climbed back to within one goal, three to two, Carolina scores for a four to two lead. Yeah, but you know what? What? Jaden Daniels is going to Madrid. And so are we. And so are we. I was already looking at hotels. Yes. Today. It's really expensive for that week in

November. But yeah, I mean, I actually on radio this morning, Max, my new producer said, should I come in with the lottery announcement? I said, no. Come in with Jaden's Hail Mary to beat the Bears. Because we just have to come in with something as a reminder of, wouldn't you swap Jaden Daniels for last night? I would. I'll take Jaden Daniels for last night. A hundred times out of a hundred. Yeah. Because, look, the Nats are terrible. The caps are getting their ass kicked right now. I really was hoping that the Wizards would get, at least get to number two, because Dylan Harper is a player that I think is going to be a special. I agree with you. I think Dylan Harper would be

an impactful player as well. But let me just mention this part of it. What they missed out on was relevance for a period of time. Yeah. Okay. By not getting number one. But there's no guarantee that that Cooper flag is going to be the player. You go through the list of number one. You go through the list of number ones over the years. And most of them have not been the answer. Yeah, but this one, this one seems generation. Maybe, maybe, but the average kind of superstar in this league was drafted, you know, beyond six. Like I think Chase Hughes was on with me and he said, basically, if you look at the average of the superstars in the game, the average is like 11 or 12 in the first round. You know, we know Janus was picked at 12, 15, Kauai, 12, Yokich in the

the second round. You know, so it's not usually, it's not usually number one overall. You've got to be really good at picking players, you know, that's the bottom line. Like, Winger and company, they've got to be really good because somebody's probably going to be there at six, whether they pick them or it gets picked at eight or 11 or 14. Some superstar is lurking after the top five picks. Yes. And you've got to find out who that's going to be.

Derek Queen, maybe. I mean, I'm serious about that. I love Derek Queen and his prospects to be a great NBA player. But you got to get that part right. So, you know, they still are doing the right thing, accumulating all of these picks. They've got two first round picks. It's just so wizards that number six, and when Bob Carrington, I have to tell all of you what I'm about to say because none of you know this actually happened. But in the season finale, Bubb Carrington made a shot at the buzzer to beat the Miami Heat, which cost the Wizards one spot last night. I said that day, I said,

that's really nice, but if they don't finish in the top four, now they could be sixth. It could actually be sixth now instead of fifth, because they didn't have the worst record. They had the second worst record. And also, just for those that actually believe in, like this somehow was fixed or anti-wisards,

The percentage chance for the Wizards last night was basically a coin flip that it would be fifth or sixth versus first through fourth. You know, it was 48% basically that it was 27.8% that they would get fifth, 20% that they would get sixth. It was only a 14% chance they were going to get number one overall. So I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I don't believe that the draft lottery is rigged. For those of you that do have at it, I do think that they should fix. it. And I think they should wait more heavily on the worst teams. I think the worst team should have an even greater chance at getting a top four pick or, you know, the number one overall pick.

And the better teams should have less of a chance. I mean, there's not much less of a chance than 1.8% for number one overall, which is what Dallas had. But overall, they had like a 9, 10% chance to get a top four pick. And I think that should be reduced, and I think the wizard's chances as the second worst team should be increased. They can fix that part of it. Have you seen the way they do the ping pong balls?

I was actually watching a video of this after the show today and before you came in. Like, it just seems like it would be impossible or rigged anyway. I guess you could wait the balls somehow. I don't know. Do you know, again? But it seems unfair right now

to the worst teams in terms of the results. Yeah. The Dallas Mavericks, who wound up with that, went getting that first pick, they didn't even exist the last time the Wizards won 50 games in the season. That franchise did not exist. They have built themselves up, tore themselves down, built themselves up, won an NBA title, tore themselves down again, and now they're building themselves up again. all that has happened within this framework of the 40 years in the desert for the wizards um i was going to challenge you on that i knew it was close yeah their first year in the league was 1980 1980 do you know i think this is true their first point guard was brad davis had it from maryland yeah and then they drafted mark aguire and he turned into a real star yes And Dallas was good.

Yeah. Pretty quickly, you know, they were involved in some series against the Lakers in the 80s. They built something. Derek Harper was on that team. They built a strong team. They collapsed. Yeah. They built another strong team.

They won an NBA title. They collapsed. Yeah. And now they're on the verge of building it all over again with a superstar like Cooper Flagg with Anthony Davis. Yeah. Brad Davis was 10th in the NBA and assists. in their third year in the league. Jay Vincent, Rolando Blackman,

Derek Harper, and then, of course, they eventually got Mark Aguire. Yeah, the Mavericks. They had green uniforms, and they were, who owned them? Obviously, it wasn't Cuban.

I don't know who owned them then. It was some, like, cowboy or something, wouldn't it? Oh, that's not much of a reach. It is Texas. Don Carter, that's who I remember. Don Carter was an American investor and businessman who was founding owner of the Dallas Mavericks. Probably an oil man.

He had to be oil, right? Yeah. Yeah. Had to be energy somewhere. Okay. Yeah, oh, here it is. Don Carter was known by wearing cowboy hats at his team's games. Yeah, and sitting courtside.

how would Ted look at a cowboy hat there's not much of Ted to put that cowboy hat on it no there isn't he he's lost a lot of weight over the last few years in healthy weight you know he looks good yeah so all right the wizards we're going to pick six yep and so I we'll pretty much forget about them

for a while the NBA draft I mean if they had drafted if they had got the first pick and we're talking about Cooper flag that is like that's like a seed that sprouts so many different discussions and debates. Like, should they keep Cooper flag? Should they trade him for? For Janice.

Yonis, yes. Yeah. That's, that. I don't think Yonis wants to come here, though. No, I don't think so either. I mean, nobody wants to come here. I was actually thinking about something the other day. Man, we're doing a lot of NBA talk here.

I know. Is anyone listening? Hello? Hello? Is this mic on? know, Kevin Durant might get moved. Janus has now said he's ready to move on. Why not Janus and Durant here in D.C. together?

You know, the Wizards have so many picks. They don't have one top. Unfortunately, they're not in a great dealing position with their pick in this year's draft, but they have next, you know, the problem is next year's draft, if you bring in Janus and Durant, it's not going to be a lottery pick. They'll be a playoff team. Right. But, you know, this process, I'm all in favor.

of unless there's a chance to get Janice and Durant to play with like Kulibali, to play with Bob Carrington and George. You're not keeping those guys. You'll get rid of a couple of them. You're not going to get rid of all of them. Right. And let's go try to win 50 games and be a three seed in the east. I'd be all in favor of that, but I'll bet you Ted is gun shy of that kind of stuff.

I just don't think you could attract those guys. Well, you can't either. I mean, look, everyone talks about Durant, and we've talked about. this before. Let me, the last thing we're going to save out the NBA today. Okay. The worst failure of Ted to close on a personnel deal was Al Horford. Oh, Al Horford. Al Horford. Because Durant was never going to say yes. But Al Horford, it was between the Wizards and the Celtics. And, you know, his dad, Tito had told him, I said, I mean, look at the fan base here in Washington, apparently, you know. I mean, look what's going on. Look at what happens in Boston. And that would

have been, that would have taken away a key member of one of your division rivals. If you got him instead of Boston. Conference rivals. Conference rivals. I don't even know. You know what? I don't even know the divisions. So, so Al Horford's the killer.

Yeah. Who's still playing? He's still playing. Well, look, as long as we're going to, you know, chase everybody away in this opening segment. last night was a wild sports night in general. Yes. Because Jason Tatum, there's, as of the recording of this podcast,

I'm looking again to see if there's anything. It certainly looked like, and it seemed like a torn Achilles. And my God, he was on fire when he went down. And, you know, there's still no new news. There's no news he was scheduled for an MRI. When they were wheeling him through the, hallway. Yeah. His face was buried at his hands. Yeah. I mean, non-contact and you don't see the ankle roll. I mean, all of the internet doctors said Achilles. That was my first guess. Now, I will

tell you this, I don't think the series is over without him. I think the Celtics still have enough firepower to kind of hang in there and force a long series. That's nice. But the garden last night was effing amazing. I know that. I know that. But amazing. I love that. Kevin. Love it. I watched, I was watching the Caps, the Nats. Were you at Shelly's? No, I wasn't at Shelly's.

I was someplace up in Frederick. Caps, Nats, and NBA Knicks game. And then obviously I watched the whole fourth quarter of the Knicks. You did? Because, yeah. But you weren't watching it. You don't like it. No, I was watching it since I was already watching stuff there.

Okay. Okay. And it's just, it's appurant to me. It's a three-point shooting contest. That's all it is, is who can make the most three-point shots. I compared it. I said on social media, the NBA used to be like jazz. Now it's a 48-minute bass drum solo.

Ooh, yeah. I mean, I don't mind, you know, bass. There's some good bass out there, but not for that long. No. So, I mean, you're right. It's like that house music. The atmosphere was very exciting. The product is every.

thing I've come to. So you didn't watch the game that closely because McAil Bridges was phenomenal in the mid-range. I saw that one way. I saw the McAil Bridges. You know what? Don't give me the outlier. Not the guy who crosses across the lane turns and

shoots that little jumper. That was a great shot. I don't love it either. I don't love it either. I was specifically commenting on the atmosphere. And you're right. The atmosphere was fabulous. And just the intensity.

of these games. This is not a regular season product, obviously. But not every game, it gets played like the Knicks play. Look, Jalen Brunson is getting lauded as like one of the all-time smaller players. And I can't stand the way he plays sometimes because the ball never leaves his hands either. Now, you have to say simultaneously, I do. I don't like that style of basketball. I don't like ISO ball. I don't think you can win four out of seven four straight times. when you are primarily an ISO team, because I don't think you make a team work enough defensively. That's my view. And so far, a primarily ISO team is not won the title. At the same time, the shot making and the playmaking is ridiculous. And Brunson is an incredible shotmaker and

playmaker, as is Tatum. And we've always seen that in the NBA at the end of a shot clock. You know, what's changed, Tommy, and you're seeing it so much more in the last couple of post seasons. The zone defense has become much more prevalent in the NBA. And with 24 seconds against a zone, it is hard to really get a good shot by running all kinds of plays and sets. It just is. And the truth is in the NBA now, most guys can't, aren't guardable. They're just too many players that aren't guardable. have essentially said, you know what, trying to run five-man offenses or plays or getting people

involved in motion is actually detrimental to getting the best possible shot. Best possible shot comes from running and not having to face a set defense. You know, getting stops and getting out on the break. And then the rest of it comes with too many of these teams. Let's take our superstar shot maker and playmaker and get them isoed against your weakest defender. And that's our best chance to score with 24 seconds. If you want to see the kind of basketball that we both love from back in the day now in today's NBA, you'd have to make the shot clock a 30-second shot clock, which will never happen.

I know. Or you have to outlaw zone again and can't allow zones again. So let me just real quickly mention what happened in the nightcap last night, because I'm a Jimmy Butler fan. Playoff Jimmy has been so much fun to watch over the last five, six years. But I saw something last night that I've seen a couple of other times. And it's strange, it's a mystery, it's suspicious. Jimmy Butler last night with no Steph Curry,

the Golden State Warriors had one chance to win this series, which was to win the game last night and hope that Steph comes back when they're down three to against Minnesota. And everybody understood that for them to win the game last night, Jimmy Butler needed to score. He needed to playmate, but he needed to score probably 40, which he's very capable of doing. You know, a few years ago, he averaged 38 in a series

when they knocked off Milwaukee, had 56 and 42 in back-to-back games to close out the series. You know, went for 30 in Game 7 in Boston that year when they went to the NBA finals and played Denver, with nobody. Well, they don't have anybody with Steph off the floor. And he shot nine shots in the game. And that would be one thing if, like, he were double-team the entire game. I watched that game. I was, Legler was calling the game. He's so good. God, why isn't Tim Legler part of their number one team? They've got Doris Burk and Richard Jefferson. It's an abysmal product. And I like Doris.

She's incredible at what she used to do. And if she were on the number two or number three team, that's fine. should not be on the number one team for the NBA product. Tim Legler should be the number one analyst. Anyway, Jimmy Butler, Legler's calling the game. I'm like, I texted him during the commercial. I'm like, what's going on? He goes, I don't know. And he started commenting on it.

He's like, Jimmy Butler has got to be aggressive. He's got to look for a shot. Tommy, he's shot nine times. He passed on six layups to pass back out. He was disheas. interested in the game. I've seen this a couple of times with him. It's like you either get 48 points, 10 rebounds, five steals, and it's like, oh my God, this guy, and he doesn't do it in ISO ball. He does it out of, because Golden State is not an ISO team. And he was, I don't

know how you describe it other than he was minus 30 plus minus was. It was the worst by far for the He wasn't interested in guarding. He wasn't interested in doing anything. He looked sick or hurt. But he wasn't. They had their best moments with him out of the game. I just thought it was, I've seen it once or twice before with him. And last night I was expecting a 40-point-plus outbursts.

I don't know if it would have been enough, but it was their only chance. And he had 14 points on nine shot attempts. It's not like he got to the line double-digit times, which is just, Jimmy Butler's way to get 40. He'll end up being 13 to 14 from the free throw line. He was four for five from the line. And by the way, a couple of the fouls were very questionable calls. I don't get it.

Something, he's an odd guy. He's a weird dude. I don't know how much you followed his career or followed him. Pat Riley obviously had had it with him. And that's why they ended up moving on from him. I don't know. Maybe he's got something going on. mentally. It looked like the weirdest thing I've ever seen. But, you know, there are other players

that have disappeared in big spots. But he's appeared so many times in the biggest of games. You don't expect him to be disinterested. It doesn't explain nine shots. It doesn't explain his whole demeanor, which was non-participatory, really. Wow. What did we just do? We just buried ourselves. We might as well go home. Start a new podcast. Why don't we make it worse and talk about the caps in the next segment? I do want to circle back to Trey Hendrickson, who actually showed up in Cincinnati today, and we have real schedule news.

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enjoy the mock schedule. Yes, I do. Very much so. You're the one. So we have some games that are actually now official. We know that Washington is going to play in Madrid against the dolphins. I had that on my mock schedule. Good for you. Now, I did this before it started getting leaked last week, and I didn't even know if the leaks were real. I also, the other game that now is official is that Washington and Philadelphia are going to play in week 16 on Saturday, December 20th, in Landover. I actually had Philly and Washington playing in week 16 just at Philadelphia and on Sunday. So those are the two games that we now know, but there are a couple of interesting things about that second piece of news, Philadelphia, Washington, on Saturday, December 20th. So in my mock,

I had Washington playing in Madrid, not playing on Thanksgiving, but playing on Christmas Day at Lambo against the Packers. So on that December 20th, the NFL announced yesterday that the Packers are going to play at the Bears and Philly is going to play at Washington. Christmas is the following Thursday. Last year with Christmas on Wednesday, they made the games on Saturday, also the games on Christmas Day. Now, they can't do that because Philly and Chicago, perhaps, that's a Black Friday game it looks like right now after Thanksgiving. So they've already played. But the one matchup that wouldn't have been played yet, based on what we know, Washington at Green Bay on Christmas Day. I think that,

that now looks like a really good bet. If that's true, and I've got two exactly right and one almost right, it's an all-time mock schedule. That really would be. It would be an all-time mock schedule. Also, real quickly on that, we'll find out, I guess maybe tonight or tomorrow or certainly by tomorrow night if Washington's going to play on Christmas Day. the NFL last year when they scheduled those Saturday games

that were going to be then the same teams were going to play on Christmas Day on Wednesday they had to play them on Saturday because you can't go Sunday to Wednesday the league goes Sunday to Thursday and Christmas is Thursday this year but the NFL made a statement that they would did not want to intentionally disrupt college football's big first round of playoff games and that Saturday is a triple header of college football playoff games. Well, guess what they're doing with the Washington, Philly, and Chicago, Green Bay? They've said, to hell with the NBA on Christmas Day and to hell with college football. Now, they have a relationship with college football that's much more significant

to them than with the NBA. They don't give a shit about the NBA. They're just trampling all over college football now. And I don't like it. I don't like it at all. I love the expanded college football playoff. That's the weekend where you get the home fields, which we got last year with Happy Valley and Ohio State. I mean, it was incredible. The games weren't competitive games, but the scenes were incredible. And the NFL just doesn't care. So anyway, we've got two of the games, and I've got one wrong for sure, which was I had at Dallas opening Sunday night football to open up the season. And Dallas is going to open at Philly. Yeah. And, And for those of you that when I tweeted the mock schedule out, said,

didn't you know Dallas was playing at Philadelphia in the opener? I did. I just wanted you to see what my mock was. Right. Yeah. You wanted to be honest. You could have switched it and not told anybody. Well, I've already told everybody what it was on this show.

Oh, okay. I just hadn't tweeted it out. Okay. So are we going to Madrid? I'm going to Madrid. I think I'm going to go to Madrid too. Okay. I actually looked into hotels.

Because you've been to Madrid. I've been to Madrid. And there's actually, there's a neighborhood of Madrid that's beautiful, and you're not in the major touristy area. And that hotel that we've stayed at before is beautiful, and they have rooms. It is expensive, though. It's going to be expensive that week. I can already tell that the NFL coming to Madrid that week,

everything's going to get jacked up in a major way. But that, if you, now when you say you're going, because you're going to go and write? Yeah. Sure. Are you saying I'm going, like you're going?

I'm going. You see, I have resources as, as Ken Beatrice would like to say. Sources and resources. You've got a place to stay. Yes. I have many places to stay in the trip. But you still have to pay for your flight.

Yeah. I mean, maybe the podcast will end up picking up your flight for you. That would be interesting if we got a sponsor. Well, yeah, but I think what we should do is do podcasts that week. Yes. Are you going to, are you thinking about going over for the whole week? Yes. Like leaving on Monday?

Yes. Or maybe earlier. Or earlier. Yeah, I was looking at it. If you're going to do podcasts from there, I'm in. I was thinking that, you know, if they have a game, the week before, then I would have to be here for radio. That's the one thing that I have to find out is would I be able to do the radio show from Madrid

if the station isn't sending people over there to do shows, which my guess is they're not going to because they're cheap. And it's not what radio used to be. So that would be the only reason I wouldn't be able to go over is if the radio station says, we can't do it that way for you to do the radio show. And during football season, it's hard for me to take days off. But if I can do the radio show, I'm going. And we'll do the podcast.

Okay. But what I was saying is if they played on Sunday, I'd probably have to do the Monday show here following their game. And then I would be looking to get on a flight Monday night or Tuesday and start shows, worst case, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. We do something on Saturday.

Probably put something out for Saturday and Sunday. Go to the game and then fly home Monday. Yeah. I'm going. I'm going. I am so... This is the trip we both wanted. I would not have gone to Brazil. No. No. I mean, and I've never

been to Brazil, and I do want to go to Brazil, but that would not have interested me as much. Plus, don't you think Spain will be excited for this? Or maybe not. I don't know. No, they will. They'll be very excited. I think they, yeah.

Yeah. They have a brand new. The Brits are, they love football, American football. But there's what going on with Spain. So do the Germans. They just spent a lot of money on fixing up their soccer stadium. That soccer stadium. I've driven by it.

This is their chance to show it off to the world. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, or at least the American world, so to speak. so they'll be very hyped up for this. I mean... I told you, I had a cousin who's a huge NFL fan over there.

I brought him over to see the Ravens game. To see the Ravens play. Yeah. And he knows the owner of the Real Madrid soccer team. Well, then we're going to have that guy on the podcast. I think so. I think we have to. Yes.

How's your Spanish? Oh, Wipoko. Mi Pocle. All right, then. The thing is, you got to... Like, you almost have to start making the arrangements now. Yeah. Because that week, I would imagine the best stuff is going to fill up.

You've got a place to stay. Flights aren't going to be the issue. I'm up for it. That would be a fun few days. I got some restaurants for us. I think we get a few stories out of that. I think we get a few stories out of that. Yeah.

We're not going to do the touristy stuff, are we? No. We're not going to go to any of the big... We've already seen that stuff. I've seen that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of long days.

Yeah. We're going to find the place to go and settle down and do a show while we are consuming some beverages. Yes. That sounds like a good couple of days. All right then. The Caps last night. Are they done? I don't know enough to say they're done because it's hockey for crying out loud.

But I did have Alan May on the radio show. I listened to your segment. It was basically your pitch. Yeah. They got to put the puck on the net and get some traffic there. You know what? I wish you would have asked them. I'm not admonishing you here.

Okay. But I'm not sure if you asked them this question. What? Is this their system? Is what they're doing now what they want to do or are they being forced into this by Carolina? You know, is this the coach saying this is the way we're going to operate? Right. With minimal amount of shots on goal.

I did ask him, why have they allowed this to happen? And what are they going to do about it? He, you know, Alan May is really good because he's not afraid to be critical at all. Absolutely. And by the way, Alan's such a good guy and Alan's a tough dude. Yes. All right. For those that don't know him.

But he, you know, he's, I could tell he's physically frustrated watching this team because he said, you know, it's now time. to really turn this into something ugly. You know, like we better. But his logic, the way Carolina plays, you know, I didn't know this before the series, but we learned it after game one. They are a high shot attempt team.

Right. That's what they do. And he said, whether it's quality chances or not quality chances, that's the way to play. Because the bottom line is, what's a quality chance? Most of the goals that go in aren't quality chances. They hit off a pad or they hit off a skate or they hit off a post and you don't even know they're in.

Yeah. So I'm with him. I think the more shot attempts, it makes sense to me. Now, what I don't understand is why they look so bad on the power play. They scored on a two-man advantage last night. But they had that four-minute power. Oh, my God. And they didn't even get one shot on goal.

They can't even get into the offensive zone. set it up. That is like we can't see that is what the coach said. We can't see that. We can't allow that. Is that what Spencer Carberry said? Yeah. You know, and then

Alan didn't he took the heat off Logan Thompson because he said these goals were shot attempts that he didn't see because when you're just throwing pucks on the net, sometimes the ones you know that are masked and right. But I don't know I thought that second goal by Jarvis

looked like when he should have stopped. But I don't know anything. The other goaltender, he's like everybody's raving about him, but the caps don't shoot the puck. Yes. This seems to be their system. I mean, this is a continuance, tremendous at disadvantage, a proportionate disadvantage. Didn't they shoot a lot against Montreal, though? I don't know.

I don't remember. But in this series, it's, remember, I mean, game one, it was ridiculous the year. I know. It was 3314. Yeah. I'm looking at the Montreal. They shot 32 times, 32 times shots on goal. You know, that's a healthy number. Game three, when they got crushed, they still had, oh, 21 shots. They have 14, 21, 21, 21, 21 in this series.

They definitely shot more against Montreal than they did in this series in terms of average shots on goal per game. But yeah. It just looks like, here's the other thing. Actually, part of me wishes that I had asked him this. Isn't it hard to take shots from your own defensive end? Because they can't get out of it, it seems like. It doesn't seem that way.

They spend a lot of time in their own zone. This is a scintillating hockey conversation referencing everything Alan said to us today on radio. I don't, I guarantee you this, it's not impossible for them to come back. It's hockey. Well, here's the thing. They've done it twice in their history, come back from a 3-1 deficit. I remember one of them. One of them was against the Rangers.

Rangers, 2009. I remember that. Yes. We had just started to do the show together. Yes, we had. Yeah. And then the second time was back in 1988, I think. Against Philly, the Flyers.

I forget who it was against. Yeah, and they came back and they won in six. I think that's it. So they have done it. Yeah. You know, but here's what they've done much more. Lose three to one leads. Yeah, many times.

They've blown many more of those. They don't have to worry about that in the series. They don't have to. They're down 3-1 and, you know, I don't know. I've watched all these games start to finish. And to me, it just looks like Carolina has been the much better team for the significant majority of the time. Game one was domination.

Game two was all Carolina in the first period, and then it was kind of the Caps played better. Game three was the Caps played, I thought, start to finish their best game, and they lost four to nothing. And then this game yesterday was more like last night was more like game one. So what, what's the, if they go out whimpering? They got through the first round. That was huge.

I know. Well, it shouldn't be huge. It is for them. I know, but it shouldn't be. I mean, I know the coach called it getting over to hump. borrowing a Davy Martinez thing. But, you know, what do we make of the cap season then? I mean, because no one expected a 51 win season out of this team.

They had a lot of personnel moves in the offseason that came together for them to form the team they have. Is that something to be excited about that for the future? You know what you're going to hear a lot of. You're going to hear a lot of. They were rolling and the OV chase sort of disrupted the role they were on. I don't think that makes any sense because I think the playoffs are completely different. And plus, you know, the OV chase, the purpose of it was to score goals.

Yeah, right. Right, it's not minutes played. Yes. It's not time on ice. Yes. You know, the fact that it was a goal chase and he was scoring goals, I think, helped the team. Yes. Yeah, that to me is bogus.

I don't know, Tommy. The postseason in this sport never matches the regular season to begin with. The, you know, the President's Trophy team, Winnipeg, I think, is down for the second time in a series. You know, they're in trouble against Dallas, I think it is. And I don't know. I mean, I think they had a first round loss would have really been ugly. And we would have had the legacy conversation about OV with just the one playoff run in Ted and the organization. and the organization not taking advantage of a generational player.

But they got out of the first round. But if they were to go down 4-1 and go out kind of meekly, not really putting up a fight, it's not going to look good. Like, can they win tomorrow night and at least go to overtime in Game 6 if they're going to lose? I think they're going to win tomorrow night. Okay. I think they'll send it back to Carolina.

Who knows what happens. It's not tomorrow night. It's Thursday. Thursday. That's right. Yes, that's right. They're skipping a night, which is good, because the NFL schedule comes out tomorrow night,

so I'm glad that we won't have that conflict. Let me just see if they've got a line on that game because I couldn't believe how big of a favorite Carolina was last night. It's like the odds makers kind of know. They favored Carolina in this series, and I remember before we were both asking each other and probably asking others, why are the caps the number one seed

and they're not favored against anybody other than Montreal? Well, the odds makers had an idea. Carolina in game 5 Thursday night is a minus 170 favorite in Washington. I mean, that's a sizable favorite for the road team. Yes. So I don't, apparently the odds makers just don't see the caps having much of a chance, and they didn't really to begin the series. No.

Not enough traffic in front of the net. That's what I say. All right, a couple of other NFL things, including the latest on Trey Hendrickson, when we come back after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelley's. Well, Shelley's Backroom at 1331 F Street, Northwest in the district, in case you've been under a rock somewhere, is a special place, okay, with nothing but special menus on their website, shelley's backroom.com.

You can find their food menu, their drink menu, and their cigar menu. and I always do a reading of the weekly food specials at Shelby. Yes, you do. Especially when I'm hungry for some reason. Okay, this one's pretty unique. One I've never heard of before. An Argentina burger. Have you ever heard of an Argentina burger?

I don't think that I have, but I'm just trying to contemplate what's on it. It's going to be pretty spicy and snazy. Here's so I think what makes the difference. You have the half pound of Shelley's custom blend beef, with pepper jack cheese and bacon on a toasted roll with chimichura sauce. Yeah. That's what does it. That's some good sauce.

That's what makes it the Argentina burger with lettuce, tomato fries, and a koshered dill pickle. You also have for the guys like me who don't like to take chances who, you know, my philosophy. You know, if I have a meal, if I try something I don't like, okay, and I don't like it, that meal's gone forever. I can't get that meal back. You know, I don't want to be sitting on my deathbed years from now thinking, Jesus, I wasted a meal. Okay?

So for the conservative ones like me, they have the chicken palm sandwich. Can't go wrong with a chicken palm sandwich. It's one of our specials as well. And also, the Italian farmer's salad. Great week of specials at Shelly's back room. God, every time you do the burger and I haven't eaten lunch, What is it about a really good burger? The burger craze is now, what, 15 years old?

It's still going pretty big. I was in Bethany Beach this weekend. Yeah. And I had a smash burger. Okay. Okay. Which I really fail to understand the unique concept of two burgers being smashed together. Yeah.

I mean, I did you have it at Smash Burger the place? No, I did not. Oh, okay. I had at a really nice restaurant in Lewis, Delaware. Okay. And, uh, well, Lewis is in Bethany. Well, I was, but I was in Bethany most of the weekend. And you drove north.

Yeah. That's what we did. Yeah. And, uh, you know, what was funny was on the menu, they had Genesee Creamail on tap. This is unbelievable. That's a you beer. You can't find that anywhere. Yeah.

Is it the green can? Yes. It's green, right? It's on tap. Oh, yeah. So they had it on tap. And what was funny was that day, I was going to wear my Genesee Creamail T-shirt, but I didn't do it. So if I had just worn my shirt, I could have said to the waitress, I want one at ease and pointed to my shirt.

Yeah. But Jenny Creamale, like when I, in the Poconos, when I was living in Poconos, was the big draft beer for years. And Yingling kind of like took over the territory. Yingling kind of pushed them out and took over. And Yingling is like a big company. You know, when you came over a couple of weeks ago, I, you know, I have a lot of beer in the house, but I didn't think you're not an IPA drinker. No, no.

And you're not, you know, a Mexican beer drinker. I went and got a 12-pack of Yingling because you like Yingling, but I also had a bunch of Stella's and I said, I, you didn't tell me that. Yeah. I wouldn't get the yingling for you. I know that. I know that part, but you didn't tell me how to, listen, now that we're past the moment.

Yeah. Okay? There's no way I would have had a yingling. If I didn't feel the pressure, I didn't want to make you feel uncomfortable, okay? By not taking, by not drinking it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. You think that there would have been,

like, I would have been like you're drinking my yinglings? No, no. No. I would normally have never had a yingling, okay? I don't drink yingling. Okay, but you've talked about yingling in the past. Oh, many years. You know, when it was a sane world.

Okay. That's when I talked about yingling. When it was a sane world. Yes, okay. Okay. Okay. I think it's pretty sane right now. So now it's an insane world.

Yeah. And I don't drink yingling anymore. Okay. Okay. But I didn't want to offend you if I knew you had Stella. I would have gladly had a stella. I gave you Stella. No, you gave me yingling.

No, I didn't. I gave you Stella. Well, why, what's, where did the yingling come from? because you just mentioned, you mentioned Yingling. You must have offered me a Yingling. I did offer you a Yingling. Okay. I said, I've got Yingling, I got Stella, I've got a lot of other beers here,

but I know that, you know, one of these two is probably what you're going to want. Okay. And you said, yeah, I'll take the Stella. Okay. And I was fine. But I thought, I didn't have Yingling in the house, and I don't mind Yingling. It's fine. I don't drink Ingling.

Um, but I had, I went down to this point. place right around the corner from my house. It's, you know, a deli with lots of beers and, and I just, I got a 12 pack of yingling because I didn't know what you were going to drink. I should have just called you. But I knew Stella was a possibility. And I usually have Stella in the house. Well, you did that for me, huh?

Yeah. That was an awfully kind, but wasted trip. Yeah, but see, and you know what? It's one of those things. I always think about these trips that I make, like to get, you know, beer for, and I'm like, I'm never going to be able to get that trip back. I'm just never, like, that's a trip that I took a risk on that I'm never going to be able to get back.

You know, in talking about burgers, when you mentioned the burger that you would have never tried, I love burgers again. And I went through a period of time where, you know, burgers were okay. Like, in terms of the fast, casual, I don't do fast food burgers anymore. Neither do I. But, I mean, but there are certain. burgers that I put in a different quote category yeah fast casual like five guys like five guys yeah yes I could consider that not to be fast food but more fast casual yes and I'm all for that

but um there are you then go from the fast casual to kind of the restaurant burger and I'm going to tell you right now people if I haven't said this before le diplomat la dip makes the best burger in town. The best, other than Shelley's Argentina burger, because actually I was there not that long ago and met Tim Legler down there. Legler was in town, I think I told you this, and then I've been back since. But Legler was in town to do a sports center hit with Scott after an NBA Wednesday doubleheader or something, and Scott forgot to tell him that they were off. So Legler goes, do you know where anybody is? I'm like, I guess they're off. He goes, well, I'm in town. Don't blame me. And he said, well, what are you doing? He said, do you want to meet me for a beer? And I said, yeah, where are you staying? And he stays down by where their studios are. And I just said, take an Uber and meet me at La Diplomat, which wasn't that far from where they were staying. And the burger's phenomenal. There's some good restaurant burgers in town. There's one at a restaurant near me.

Those of you that are big into Woodmont Grill in Bethesda, you know, the old Houston's, which it's the same menu, that's a good burger. But Le Diplomat's got a great burger. Really good burger. All right. What else on Chelle's? That's it. That's it. So real quickly, before we get to Trey Hendrickson, one other thing about the NFL schedule that I wanted to mention.

So they announced the entire international schedule. We've got, you know, the international games are now, you know, They're all over the place. We've got a game in Ireland. We got a game in Brazil, Madrid, and then the games in London, Berlin again. Minnesota is the first team to go over there and play on back-to-back Sundays in international play.

They're going to play the Steelers in Dublin on September 28th, and then the next week they're staying in Europe. They're going to play the Browns in London. And everybody's focused on, wow, man, the future teams going over there playing a couple of games against the London teams and then coming back. Minnesota just got a very unfair scheduling advantage. Two of their road games are international neutral site games. That's not fair.

You can get the teams that play one international game as the road team, fine. We have to have that every year. Right. But they now will play two less. road games than most of the teams in the NFC in their division. And, you know, one less than a lot of teams. I just don't think that that is a fair scheduling. Well, I could see the Vikings arguing that being forced out of the country for two weeks is a disadvantage for us.

Would you rather play, the two teams they're playing at Pittsburgh, at Cleveland. You could have had bad weather games, plus the Steelers as a road game never easy to begin with. Right. I don't know what the Browns are going to be this year. But, you know, I don't know. Will the Steelers have a big Dublin following? Why would they? What's his face?

Art Rooney. He was the Irish ambassador. Dan Rooney was. Yeah. So it may be a road game for Minnesota in Dublin. Yeah, because the Rooney name will carry some weight. If Washington had played in Dublin, not that that was a possibility this year, Dublin or Madrid, which would you have preferred?

Well, Madrid. Yeah. I was just in Dublin. I know. That's right. A year ago. Yeah. That would be, can you imagine?

I don't need my pocket picked again. Oh, stop. All right, last thing. So, Trey Hendrickson showed up at Cincinnati's voluntary workouts today. And the word that was used the most from Trey Hendrickson in talking to media members was disappointed. He also said that this has become personal and that he, does not see himself playing in Cincinnati again. I see him playing in Washington.

You can count me in on that. So talked about it a little bit on yesterday's show, and this is if he's back on the... Keep in mind, these are the Bengals and the Browns. They are stubborn. Yes. They don't do business the way a lot of teams do. They would rather see him sit and die,

and not then to give in to his trade whims. So before the draft, the word was a first and a third. Now the draft is gone, and nobody paid a first and a third. Maybe they were willing to pay a second and a fourth. I think the equivalent, looking ahead to 2026 would be, you've got to give up your first round pick to get this guy. Then you've got to pay them 30-something million a year, top three. And you're going to give them $90 million and guaranteed money

over the next three or four years. And I think that I would certainly consider it. He's not Miles Garrett. He's not T.J. Watt, but he's 35 sacks in the last two years. Okay, there you go. You named two Hall of Fame pass rushers. That I would be willing to give up a first-run pick and tear up his deal and give him, you know, top three money. Right.

Now, Miles Garrett would have been more than a first-round pick. Yes. Look, I'm all in favor of the future is now when the future is now is Jaden Daniel. I hear you. Especially on a rookie contract. I'm in favor of making all the hay you can while that's going on. So I'm all in in anything they need to do. And I, again, this is a big, it's a big leap of faith to think that they're going to be a better pass rush team this year and anywhere last year.

I've never, I haven't heard anyone ask Adam Peters. Do you think you were a good pass rush team this past year? if not what have you done to improve that i think the the more important question is because this is not even debatable is do you think you did enough to improve your defense against the run that's where they had their major problems they generated pressure i know that they generated some pressure i don't think most of the quarterbacks felt threatened when they played washington i i didn't think that that was as big of an issue as was stopping the run. That was

their big issue. I think visually, emotionally... Washington finished 11th in Saxon League. Visually emotionally, coming after the quarterback has a big impact on the team across the board. The thing about Trey Hendrickson

is he's not... I had a caller who's a Bengals fan who said he's a one-trick pony. I don't think he's a one-trick pony. He's not as versatile as some of the great players at the position. He is really a pass rusher. Is he terrible against the run?

I don't know. Like the caller said, he gets duped into, you know, screens and everything else. I think, you know, the one trick, if it is a one trick, is a really good trick. You know, because you have to pressure the quarterback,

as you said, and this guy is probably worth 15 plus sacks next year, especially on a well- coached, you know, defense that has some good players, you know, even though they didn't perform well. I think I'd certainly lean against a first and 33 million a year, but I wouldn't have a problem with if they did it. I'd be, I would have been all in, as I said from the jump on Miles I'm all in for for Trey. Yeah. All right. We're not done yet. I have a really nice story that I read early this morning that I want to share with you, Tommy, when we come back after these

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Tommy, I found this story this morning, and it was kind of a feel-good story, and I saved it for you today because I thought you would enjoy it. You know, typically when we get these stories about some of our favorite players and athletes, and they're out doing something in public, you know, occasionally you get the positive story, but more times than not, you get the negative story. Well, this is very positive. Let me ask you real quickly just to make sure. Do you know who Travis Hunter is? Yeah, he played for Colorado. He's a two-way player, a Heisman trophy winner. Very good.

He was the number two pick in the draft. Jacksonville traded up with Cleveland to take him after Cam Ward went number one overall. So here's your feel-good story, everybody, for the day. So a woman by the name of Sandy Hawkins Combs, was flying from Denver to Jacksonville on United Airlines. And after her flight, she detailed the flight on Facebook. She wrote, quote, I had the most wonderful flight home from Denver.

I met the nicest young man who sat next to me. He offered to put my bag in the overhead compartment and helped me with my tray. He was always polite saying, yes, ma'am or no ma'am. anyone would be proud to have him as a son or grandson so polite. People were walking by and saying congratulations to him, great job, or even taking pictures. I turned and asked him, who am I sitting next to? I looked at his Jaguar Pants, Jacksonville Jaguar Pants, smiled and asked, are you an athlete? He smiled and said, yes, I'm Travis.

I was drafted by the Jags. I already told my sons I want his jersey. He's so humble and down to earth, I would have never guessed he was a professional athlete. Jacksonville Jags, you did good. I will be buying tickets. United Airlines, thank you for my seat assignment. Wow, that's very nice.

And it's good that he's going to a place like Jacksonville, that he doesn't have an ego. That he will actually not be recognized. He won't need an ego in Jacksonville. On the other hand, if that was you or me, okay, if that was me, I can tell you I would not have been as nice as Travis Hunter. Oh, I always help people. Oh, I help people.

I always help older people or when in particular get stuff into the overhead. I do that. Yeah, you do? I don't carry on conversations on the plane. I don't like to talk to the guy just want to just leave me alone when I'm on the plane. I'm not a big talker on the plane either. I'd like to listen to music or listen to something. So I wouldn't have had any conversation that would have made this woman think,

what a nice young woman. What a nice man I am. She wouldn't have struck up the conversation with you because you would have been rude to begin with. She would have been stuffing that thing in the overhead looking for help. No, I would do that. I do that. I do that. but I just, I mean, the conversation part.

Who's the most famous person you've ever sat next to on a plane? I've never sat next to anyone famous on a plane. I have two. I know one of them. Who? Brooke Shields. Yes, I sat next to Brooke Shields on an LAX to Dulles. Your experience wasn't quite the same as hers, was it?

No, it was not. She quickly, you know, put the covers on her eyes and went to sleep. But I also had a much better experience sitting next to. to Bert Jones on a flight from New Orleans to Baltimore. Baltimore called quarterback. Yeah. And I looked at him at one point and I just said, Bert Jones.

He said, yeah, it's Bert Jones. We had the nicest conversation. He couldn't have been nicer. And I said, I remembered a lot of the games that you were quarterbacking in Baltimore. He was a great quarterback. Oh, he was such a good quarterback. And he was a badass too. Tough.

Played hurt all the time. You remember. I remember seeing him yelling at his teammates all the time. He was always yelling at his teammates. And they had some good cold teams. They had some really good cold teams. Lydell Mitchell in the back field. Roger Carr.

Lydell Mitchell, correct. I think Raymond Chester was a tight end there for a while. I think he was the quarterback of the team that lost to the Steelers at Memorial Stadium when the plane crashed in the upper deck right after the game ended. Do you remember that? Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. That's pretty wild stuff.

That was a pretty wild thing. A small prop plane crashed into the upper deck of Memorial Stadium maybe like 15 minutes after the game it ended and the section had been cleared. Because nobody died, right? I don't think anybody died. I flew on a plane once. Didn't sit next to him, but I flew on a plane with Hulk Hogan once at his height of his popularity. And all I could think of was if this plane goes down, I'm barely going to. going to be a sentence in the story.

You know? No one's going to even know. Right. December 19th, 1976, a single-engine Piper Cherokee plane crashed into the upper deck of Memorial Stadium, home of the Orioles. It was minutes prior minutes prior to the mishap,

the plane had buzzed the stadium during the final moments of the Steelers' playoff victory over the Colts. The pilot of the Piper Cherokee was 33-year-old Donald Croner. Croner served three months of a two-year sentence for malicious destruction of property and violation of aviation ordinances. Obviously, he didn't die.

Did you just burp into the mic? No, that wasn't me. That was you. That wasn't me? It definitely was you. I don't think anybody died, right? Weren't they all cleared? No, yeah.

Nobody was, the stadium was already emptying out. Yeah. All right. Good show today. Way to bring it. I'll talk to you on Thursday. We'll know what the NFL schedule is. when you're back on Thursday with us,

and we'll be able to prep the Caps Carolina Game 5 for everybody. Oh, boy. But we promise not to talk about the NBA on Thursday show. We're the Wizards. Back tomorrow, everybody. Picking six. The Washington Wizards.