The Kevin Sheehan Show - Malik Willis....Yes!

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

Kevin and Thom opened the show with a sincere thanks to being voted the #1 DC Sports Podcast by the DC Sports Podcast Association. Kevin watched a ton of Malik Willis tape and he's all in. The boys talked about the latest news on the Washington Commanders "Crest". Also on the show, Demar Derozan's record-setting accomplishment last night and the Cowboys paying $2.4 million in a settlement to its cheerleaders. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Chean Show. Here's Kevin. I'm here today. Tommy is here today. If you missed Cooley on the show yesterday,

lots of really interesting conversation about the Super Bowl, but also quarterbacks, Deshawn Watson and others. I would urge you to go listen to the show from yesterday if you haven't yet listened to it. Look, I don't know where to start. Actually, I do. It's with the D.C.

Sports Podcast Association because, man, I am so proud, Tommy, of us. The D.C. Sports Podcast Association at D.C. underscore Sports underscore PA. Congratulations to the Sheehan podcast for being the number one rated sports podcast in the D.C. metro area for the month of January 2020. Oh, my God. It's so nice to actually be recognized for the work we're doing here, isn't it? You know, it's about time. It's about time that the association finally stepped forward and gave us to do that we're deserved.

You know, for years, they ignored us. For years they've been ignoring us. I know. You remember the letter you wrote to them like two years ago? Like, have you listened to the podcast? And the guy just got back to you and said, we have listened to it. Yes. And that was insulting.

Well, you know what? I think this is the beginning of even bigger and better things. Oh, my God, this is so funny. The best part is you told me about this. I actually saw it yesterday morning, and I laughed, and I liked it. And then you called me yesterday afternoon, and you said, have you seen how this thing's blowing up? And I said, I haven't.

And then I saw it last night, and I was like, oh, my God, There are like hundreds of likes and quoted tweets and retweets and responses. Should we? Now, this is my estimation. 50% of the people that responded appeared to totally be in on what this was. And then 50% seemed to just be really happy for us. I think that's accurate. I think that's an accurate assessment.

50% of the people are in on the con at 50% of, percent are getting cons. The D.C. Sports Podcast Association Twitter account. By the way, it follows you and me, which is really nice. They follow eight people, I've noticed, including you, me,

Standing, Galdi, J.P. Finley, which are the other podcasts, the other local podcasts in town. And they write that they are non-accredited and non-verified. And by the way, just join Twitter.

in February of 2022. Already, though, 62 followers for the DCSPA. You know? I mean, that's big time in a few days. What did you think the other podcasters saw when they saw this? Well, do you think they did? What do you think they saw it? Oh, my God, you know. What's the hell? I'm going to text Ben right now. Okay. Okay. But, you know what? There was part of it. You know what? There was part of it. me, a big part of me, that had a feeling this would happen when I brought it up on the podcast on Tuesday. You didn't think somebody would do this.

Did you really? Yes, I thought it may happen. Tommy, I thought it may happen. Tommy on Tuesday, after I did a little bit of whining and complaining, I admit, about this Jason Barrett top 20 national podcast list that he put out, we were not on it. nor did I expect to be on it. But as I explained, excuse me, as I explained, I was more curious about who would be on it

because I know that this podcast is a little bit of a unique podcast in the sports podcast world. I mean, I've been told that many, many times by people who kind of follow this and who sell for it and by advertisers, et cetera. And we're proud of that. But I complained that, you know, they didn't really take this podcast.

podcast, seriously, to which Tommy said, well, you know what we got to do? We got to create some association. This is always Tommy's go-to argument. We create an association that we create and we start giving ourselves awards. Well, we didn't create this, nor have we ever created anything, but somebody and whoever it was, congratulations, and by the way, hysterically funny, created upon Tom's request, the DC Sports Podcast Association, to which it's very first, tweet, which of course is also now, you know, a tweet that appear. Actually, I don't even think they have any other tweets. Do they have any other tweets? Oh my God. Some of the people following them now are all people in the business. This is funny. The DC Sports Podcast Association has one tweet,

and it's congratulations to us for being rated the number one rated sports podcast in the D.C. Metro area. Very funny. That's great, awesome. And it looks like a lot of people got in the joke and a lot of people didn't and the people that didn't were so happy for us, which was nice. Yes, it was very nice. You know what? What needs to happen is let's carry the joke even farther. Let's actually create.

Somebody out there actually create the association, you know, the whole thing, and we'll have a ceremony at Shelly's back room. but well the association I think's already been created I mean what do you want to do do you want to create a not that you have him do an actual non-profit and and and and be official I mean he's already official or or she I don't know who this is but the person that did this you're already official in my book I mean you got a Twitter account and on your very first tweet you got you got 280 262 likes for crying out loud I mean, that's a real business.

Tommy retweeted it and just wrote so proud. And the responses to that, congrats to you and Kevin Sheen, D.C. You're the best well-deserved. This is pretty funny. Yeah. Yeah, but again, but again, to really, I mean, once you're on to the joke,

then, I mean, then you've got to examine how far you can take it. And I think we're just in the infancy of how far this can go. Congratulations, well-deserved. Here's how far can go. There's an actual association form to have an actual award ceremony. Sounds like you've done this people. And we get the Washington Post to cover it and write about it. That would be beautiful, because they will.

That's pretty funny. I'm just looking at some of the responses to you retweeting it. I didn't have, I didn't have, I mean, I didn't have the nerve to retweet it. We're deserving of the award, right? Aren't we? Yeah. You know, the responses to you retweeting it are mostly people that look like they bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

Well, I couldn't let it go. I just couldn't ignore it. You know, I had to say something. So I limited it. I really did. Two words. So proud. Oh, my God.

That's really funny. To whomever did that, thank you. That was funny. Congratulations. You got a very nice response, and maybe, you know, you reach out to us on DM and we'll try to put together something for real and we'll hold a big old party at Shelley's. Look, Tommy and I have talked about doing things. We have been approached by several people several times over the last couple of years to do some sort of an event, you know, somewhere where we, We do a Q&A, but it's a big dinner with a lot of the podcast listeners and old radio listeners, et cetera. And we just haven't gotten around to doing it.

We should do it. By the way, most of the people that approach us with this, and you'll appreciate this, they want us to do it as a revenue-generating exercise. Sell tickets to have a big dinner. We do a big dinner somewhere. We could do it at like the Bethesda Draft, Cinnamon Draft, you know, on Wisconsin. And we sell tickets. and we do, you know, we do a 30-minute Q&A.

I mean, you and I used to do those things all the time for free. And they said that this is a lot of the, this is the way a lot of the podcasts generate sort of additional revenue is by doing these. We haven't done one of these things in years. We've never done one where we've sold tickets other than the, you know, lunch with a legend thing, which was a radio station thing, which was always a lot of fun to do. Yeah, we've done them at the request of other people. Like, we did one at the museum. We did. We appear on Carol Joints television program.

Right, right. That she used to do. Right. Yeah. But we've done these. That's right. We did the Carroll Joint thing, and I remember the museum thing. But, you know, the lunch with a legend things were really incredible turnouts.

That wasn't for us, though. that was usually for our guest. And we had a lot of really good ones. But yeah, maybe we'll do that. Maybe that's a goal here in 2022. I think we should do a, I don't, how many people seriously, tweet me at Kevin Sheen, D.C, tweet Tommy at Tom Leverro,

T-H-O-M-Livero, DMS, if you want. I mean, how many people would really be interested in doing, I mean, we'd do it right. We'd have live music. We'd do a big old dinner, steak dinner. And Tommy and I would, you know, spend time with all of you guys doing a 30 to a hour-long Q&A. We've done that at Shelley's before for your event. We like doing that stuff, but how many people would actually pay for tickets to that?

I've had so many people tell us, oh, no, no, no, you would get an audience. I'm like, no, I don't know that we would. I think in what would be the real revenue generated from it, I'd rather do it for, you know, having pay for the dinner part maybe. I don't know if we're going to front drinks and dinner for everybody on a night if we had, you know, a group of, say, 100. I think we would get 100 people, don't you?

I think we would. I think we would. Now that we've got the power of the D.C. Podcasts, Sports Podcast Association behind us. But I don't know if I want to make money. I don't think I'd want to make money off it. I think it'd be more of an appreciation thing for us. Listen, you know my philosophy, every time you're out there, I'm serious now. I believe in the abstract idea that every time you're out there doing something, you're putting money in the bank for your product.

Yes. Okay. So I've always been a big believer of that. I don't, like I used to show up at book signing sometimes and nobody would be there. Nobody would be there, but I didn't care because that meant the bookstore publicized my book for a week and prominently displayed it. Sure. You know, so there's, there is always payback for that kind of work. So I've, absolutely, I'm not looking to make money off an event like that. Yeah, me neither. And I, and I think, but I'm telling you in the podcast world, this has been presented to me now, no less than a half dozen times over the last two years. This is what you need to do, these are other ways to generate revenue. Podcasters with loyal audiences are out

there holding events where they pay. I wouldn't approach it that way. I would approach it as you described. Look, you and I have had this conversation before. And this is going to be a bit of a lecture for younger people in the business that really don't have followings. When you're asked to come on a radio show or a podcast as a guest, look at it as an opportunity. Not as if you're doing the actual interviewer a favor. When you don't have much of an audience and you're new to town and you're young, you don't ask how much am I getting paid and if I'm not going to get paid, I'm not going to come on. I'm not going to mention names, but I've had that a couple of times recently over the last couple of years to which I have said,

yeah, we don't pay for guests to come on, especially guests that no one's ever heard of when they just got to town. Younger people don't tell people, oh, it's too early for me. I can't do it when no one knows who you are. One of the biggest things for me early on in radio is every single time, and I know you did this too, every single time I was asked to appear as a guest, guest on a radio show, of course, yes, you know, unless I was on the air and I couldn't do it. And I still, to this day, we'll do every single opportunity because it's a way to promote what we're doing.

Yes. And you would not believe, I'm not going to speak in terms of generational, okay, but in recent years, most of these people have been younger. And for whatever reason, they believe going on a radio show as a guest is an opportunity to make money. and if they're not going to get paid, then they're not going to do it. I mean, I've not called any of those people back again, nor would I. I mean, it's their loss, and it's just somebody that's given them bad advice. You know, when you have, you know, 50 followers on Twitter,

and you've just gotten to town, and you're a reporter for anybody, you can't ask for money to do an interview. You should say thank you. But anyway, you, however, hit me before the show with you need to take some time off. I'm not going to allow any time off this year. We got it. We didn't finish in the top 20. We're not taking days off this year. Hey, who just generated the biggest publicity campaign this podcast has ever seen. Ever, ever seemed. All right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, I'm taking, I'm not going to be doing the podcast

for the first two weeks in March. We're in Miramar Beach for two months here, January and February. We leave at the end of February, and I'm taking a road trip back home to Frederick. That's going to take 11 days. It's going to take 11 days to drive home, huh? Do you have the whole thing mapped out? Where are you going?

Oh, yeah. Well, first, we're stopping in Lafayette, Alabama. That's probably about four hours away. because that's where Joe Lewis was born, and there's a statue there of Joe Lewis, and I want to see that statue. Does Liz want to see that statue? No, she's just going along with the trip, you know? Are there pictures of the statue, or are there videos of the statue on YouTube? Well, there'll be pictures of the statue with me when I stopped there.

Okay, Joe Lewis statue, and where is that again? Lafayette, Alabama. The home of Dave Butts, the birthplace of Dave Butts, was born in Lafayette, Alabama. Fun fact to know and tell. Didn't know that. Wouldn't have figured that Dave Butts was a southerner? Would have figured that he was a Midwest guy? Well, he moved to the Midwest pretty early, I think, when he was young.

Okay. But he was born, and in an early part of his life, he was raised in Lafayette, Alabama. And right from there, we're driving the rest of the day. We're driving the Muscle Shoals, Alabama, where he was born. we're going to spend the night, and the next morning, we're going to take a tour of the fame studio, the famous studio where Reza Franklin recorded, Wilson Pickett recorded, the Allman Brothers recorded, the Rolling Stones recorded, and Muscle Shoals. Oh, yeah, Muscle Shoals, of course.

Leonard Skinner, probably, too, right? Yes, yes, they all recorded there. So we're going to Muscle Shoals. This is like a music road trip in a way. Yeah. Well, not necessarily Joe Lewis or Dave Bowles. Butz? No.

Or Dave Butts' Was it his uncle? Who was the, was Dave Butts, Earl Butts's nephew or son? Yeah. I think it's nephew. The Secretary of Agriculture.

Under Nixon. The Nixon administration. Very good. Yeah. And then from Muscle Shoals that afternoon, we're driving to Memphis. And then we're spending three nights in Memphis. We're going to the Stax Museum.

We're going to Sun Records. we're going to the Smithsonian Rock and Soul Museum we're going to Graceland we're going to the National Civil Rights Museum and we're going to party on Beal Street Yeah, you're going to party on Beal Street

where are you going to stay? You're going to stay in the Peacock Hotel? No, no, the Peabody. I mean the Peabody Hotel? Yeah. No, we're not staying in a Peabody, but we are staying close to Beal Street. So we'll be able to walk somehow you know, back to the hotel room at night.

And then from there, we're going to get Nashville. I've never been to Nashville. Well, you want to, you know, we're going. You can, I'll have, do you want my sister to make you guys dinner one night? Have you guys over? No. I don't want that. I love Nashville.

You know, I spent some time in Memphis. Pigley Wiggly was a customer of ours way back in my supermarket internet. And we, I spent a lot of time in Memphis. I spent a lot of time in Nashville, too. I think I've told you this, even before. my sister moved there. Nashville was where we had our inbound telemarketing facility, which we actually partnered with J.C. Penny with. J.C. Penny had a telemarketing business. Most of the telemarketers were out in the Midwest, like in Omaha, like the center of the country because of

phone lines and, you know, making it most cost effective. But J.C. Penny had our telemarketers in Nashville. So I spent a lot of time in Nashville. And then Piggly Wiggly was a customer of ours. They were a franchised brand and the biggest franchise was in Memphis and so I spent a lot of time in Memphis. Memphis you can have. I mean, it's cool and Beale Street and the whole thing and the barbecue and the music. It's great. But outside of Memphis, like in that Germantown area, I forget some of the suburbs. I think Germantown's one of them, if my memory serves me correctly. It's just like strip mall, you know, after strip mall. Nashville, Tommy. You've been to Nashville, right or not? No. You're going to love Nashville.

I spent a week in Memphis covering the Lewis Tyson fight back in, what, 2002. Right. And I had a great time. That was a great week. They couldn't do enough for us in Memphis, and we really had a blast. So I've been dying to go back, but I've never been to Nashville. We're going to go to the grand old operas probably see a show there. Yeah.

We're going to go to the Country Music Hall of Fame. Yeah. Go to the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame and whatever else. pops up as well i mean you just have to spend some time down you know on broadway and go into a lot of these dives and listen to live music that's you know that's the best part of nashville is just going from one you know bar you know live music venue i mean as you're walking you know in downtown nashville you're just constantly hearing live music which you and i both love the thing that i love about nashville it's not just all country you know there's plenty of of there's lots of rock music

that has come out of Nashville, you know, over the years, especially over the last 20 years. But you'll love that, just sitting there listening to live music, one spot after another. I'm trying to think of, I'll get you the list of the really good spots where we went. But are you going to want to listen to exclusively country? No, no, not necessarily. I mean, I like country music, but I'm not a country music fan.

No, I'm not either. You know? Yeah. But I like it. I like it the old school country music, you know, George Jones,

Willie and Whalen, and those guys. But then from Nashville, we're going to Louisville. We're driving to Louisville then. For the Ollie Museum. Yes, I want to go there to see the Ali Center

and Museum, and I want to visit Ollie's grave. So you're just driving right up, you're just driving right up 65. Okay. Yeah. It's just because Nashville at 65 north the Louisville, if I remember. Louisville, you can have Louisville, too. Louisville, as they say. Oh, I've been to Louisville. I've covered a bunch of Kentucky derbies there. But I was either covering the race or drinking, so I never really got around Louisville.

I know like they have the Louisville Slugger Museum there. I want to go to that where they make the bats. All right. From Louisville, where are you going next? Then we're heading home. We're heading back home. That's it. I figured out that that'd be like probably around March 11 or 12th. We'll be back. All right.

So you're going to miss two weeks of shows. And I'm going to actually, I'm heading to Palm Springs in the middle of March. It's going to be part vacation and actually part going to my niece's wedding out in Palm Springs. And I am looking very much forward to that because it'll be beautiful weather. It'll be golfing weather. and it'll be about a week off in March. Probably right before March Madness starts. You can stop in and see Ted Lerner while you're out there.

He has a palace, apparently, out in Palm Springs. Right. Well, maybe I will, maybe I won't. It seems to me that they low-balled Juan Soto a little bit. Do you think that that was the case or not? Well, again, we're going through like the Anthony Rendon exercise, where, you know, they offered Anthony Rendon a certain amount of money. And, you know, no one's going to say it was an insult. I mean, because when you're talking about that kind of money, it's never insulting.

But $350 million was not going to get Juan Soto to say, well, you know what? I don't want to go through free agency and go through a free agency and go through a little. all that. I really like it here. I'm not, I'm not leaving a lot of money on the table by taking this deal. I'll do it. They needed to add, I mean, the report is from ESPN, it was $350 million. They needed to add another $100 million to that. Right. To even get them interested. Yes. You've got to make them, again, it's a core of the own thing. You got to make them an offer that they can't refuse. That looks better than becoming a free agent. You know, you're got, not selling more money, but just looks better.

Your guy, who's the guy that's really, really got a lot of really good sources inside the Nats? He always breaks news on the Nats, National writer. Who am I trying to think of yesterday? Because I read his tweet, and I'm looking for it right now. I can't find it. You know who I'm talking? Jeff Passing? No, not passing.

Nightingale? Nightingale's a good one. Nightingale's a good one. No, it's John, John Heyman. Okay. That's what I'm thinking of. Oh, yeah. Well, John Heyman is Boris's guy.

Yeah. Right, right, right. Is Juan Soto's Asian. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That's a Boris guy. He, yeah, he, well, okay, so he, he, from the Boers side, he tweeted out, and I'm paraphrasing at this point, but the 13-year, $350 million offered of Juan Soto didn't even make him pause. Like, there was no, it was like, yeah, right.

No thanks. So you compared it to the Rendon situation. Do you think it's going to end the same way the Rendon situation ended? Yes, I do. I know you. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm pretty definitive that I don't think he's going to finish his career in Washington. I think he'll leave when he's a free agent at the end of the 20-23 season. Since we're on this topic, and it happened after the show yesterday, just your thoughts on Ryan Zimmerman's retirement.

Well, I mean, that was a special thing. You know, the only thing that Jim Bowden did right was drafting Ryan Zimmerman as the first pick in 2005. And I remember when he first came up, you know, because I covered the team back then. I remember saying, you know, he knows when to act like a rookie and he knew when to act like a veteran. You know, he was the kind of guy who knew when to keep his mouth shut. And then knew when to not act like you haven't been here before. He had that perfect mix when he first got there. And he's the kind of athlete that, you know, that if you're a Washington baseball fan,

you're proud to say he represents us. I mean, there's a level of pride. I mean, I always had that with Seaver when he was with the Mets, particularly early on. when the Mets had gone from being lousy to being World Series champs in the, you know, the two years before they won the World Series, I used to say, well, when the Mets were still bad, yeah, but we got Tom Seaver. Tom Seaver's ours. Right.

And even when the Nats were bad, Nats fans could say, yeah, but we got Ryan Zimmerman, you know, one of the best third basemen at the time in all baseball. So, I mean, he's, he's been a gift to Nats fans to play his whole career here. I'm surprised, given the fact that the DH now has been passed in the National League. He didn't, you know, take that up, but he doesn't have to work. He's made plenty of money, obviously, over his career, and he's got a great family, and I'm sure he knows it's time. I'll be curious if he winds up with the organization in some way, shape, or form.

He's not going to be a coach because he makes too much money to be a coach, okay? But I'll be curious what kind of presence he has, if any, in the game when he's retired. Did you vote for Scott Rowland? You did, right? Yes, I did. But I hadn't before. But I did this time. So I asked Galdi yesterday. I had Galdi on the podcast talking about the Ryan Zimmerman career. And, you know, Galdi said, you know, he was so classy in the way he handled the move from third to first, which happened a lot sooner than most people thought. And I just said if he had stayed, you know,

you would say that he was a really good third baseman, right? Ryan Zimmerman. So if he had stayed. He was a terrific. He was such a good third basement. He could have played shortstop in his early years. That's how good he was. If he had remained healthy and it remained at third his entire career,

I know that offensively he didn't have, you know, doesn't have the numbers that Scott Rowland had, but would they have been comparable to you? If he had stayed healthy, he would have had the offensive numbers to go with it. Ryan Zimmerman would have been a hall favorite because of all the games he missed, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, I mean, he was a 30 to 35 home run, 100 RBI guy, and, you know, a 280, 290 average when he was healthy for much of his career. I think if Brian Zimmerin had stayed healthy, he would have been a Hall fame candidate.

All right. I've got a bunch of football that I want to discuss. I actually want to ask Tommy about Deshawn Watson a little bit and update the Deshawn Watson story. We've got the Cowboys thing to get to. And I watched a lot of Malik Willis on tape because he's the guy out of all the guys in the draft that I really didn't see play a lot in college. and I have an opinion on Malik Willis. But I just wanted to mention, as we just move from one topic to another, I don't know if you saw this, but whenever I see Wilts Chamberlain's name

and any kind of story, it always catches my attention because you and I both kind of think the same thing. I mean, Wilts, there's no athlete in the history of team sports that has put up the numbers that are so outrageous compared to those in his era or any era. like Wilp did. I mean, if you just want, you know, a fun 15 minutes one day, just go to Basketball Reference.com and go to Will Chamberlain and just look at his career. Like, it's just outrageous. Like, there's nothing that really compares to it. But last night, DeMarre Rosen had

38 points last night in a 125-118 win over Sacramento. Demar de Rosen's been one of my favorite players for years. I don't know what it is. My son said this to me when I was watching DeRosen a couple of weeks ago. He goes, you just love those patient players. It's kind of like how you love Kauai Leonard. And there is a little bit of that. I love the way the patient scores, the non-explosive scores, not that Kauai isn't explosive,

but guys that just know how to get buckets and do it with their brain and do it with a lot of other things. And don't do it with overwhelming physical talent. And DeRosen's just been one of my favorite. favorite players, not to mention his story is such an interesting story. You know, what he went through with depression in recent years, I just am rooting for him a lot. And he's in a good situation in Chicago. Well, last night, he had 38 points on 16 of 27 shooting, making him, which was 59% from the floor, making him the first player in NBA history to score 35 points

while shooting better than 50% from the field in second consecutive games. De Rosen surpassed a mark that was set by Wilts Chamberlain, who had two six game streaks of 35 points or more with 50% from the field, the last of which came all the way back in 1963. You know, in this day and age, you see it in volume of shots typically, when you see a guy going for 35, 40, you know, whatever. This guy has gone for 50% plus from the field, seven consecutive games, something Wilt didn't even do.

And when you go back and you look, you know, at Wilt's field goal percentage for years. Like his career, field goal percentage was 54% he shot from the field. But he had years in which he shot close to 70% from the field. in 6667 in Philadelphia he shot 6.83, 68.3, 68.3% from the field. And by the way, that year... Let me just point out to everybody. I know, you know, all the children out there are saying, yeah, but he didn't play against anybody. Will Chamber would play it against 14 Hall of Fame centers throughout his career.

14? Okay. 14. Wow. Yes. You know, the thing about De Rosen, I haven't seen him play in a while. So, you know, I can't really speak to this. But I understand why.

I would probably love him, too. In Axio Sports, one of my favorite newsletters that I get every morning. They have a write-up about him. And without even looking, watching him play, I'm in love with him. because during this streak, they say he's only attempted 10-3-point shot. Yeah, no, no, he's a mid-range. He's always been a mid-range player, yes. I mean, I'm in love with a guy.

I know, I love him. He's probably, I think he deserves a lot of MVP conversation, but Joel Embed right now is your MVP. And to be honest with you, I don't even know if it's close right now, but DeRosen's had a spectacular year. but I just wanted to just real quickly on Wilt, just the, I mean, the year that he shot 68.3% from the floor, he was already 30 years old. He also averaged 24.2 rebounds. That's the thing that's so unbelievable are the rebound average numbers. We know about Wilt averaging 50 points. Okay, just so for you

kids out there, he averaged 50.4 points per game. in a season. Okay? In 80 games, he averaged 50.4 points per game. And that year, he also averaged 25.7 rebounds. And if he could have, if he was a good free throw shooter and he was a terrible free throw shooter, imagine what he, if he was just an average free throw shooter, there were probably, there would have been multiple 50 point average seasons because he averaged 44.8, 1,000.

year averaged, well, probably not multiple 50s, but he would have had, he would have had certainly lots in the 40s. Incredible, just to look at Wilts numbers. The rebounding numbers are astounding. Yes, they are. And, you know, I mean, haven't lived through the Wilk Chamber in era, I mean, I think he's one of the greatest athletes in the history of sports. Yeah. I mean, he was a high jump, Olympic high jumper, although he didn't compete in the Olympics. He was Olympic level high jumper, Kansas. And though he didn't even participate in the event,

he could, he could throw the shot put farther than anybody on the team. He was immensely strong, fiercely strong. He was prolific in a lot of ways, wasn't he? Yes, he was. Not maybe as prolific as he claimed. Maybe not. But, you know, but, I mean, he was, and he was convinced I forget how old he was going to retire,

but he was convinced he could have played into his late 40s, and he probably could have. Yeah. You know, just in mentioning Kansas, it just reminded me because on Super Bowl Sunday, you know, a lot of people, obviously, in our community of Washington football fans, were tweeting out various Super Bowl things,

and somebody tweeted out the Riggins run in Super Bowl 17. And by the way, it was the Herzog call. which is such a great call of that run. You know, and I tweeted something out and just mentioned, because I don't think people on that run, you see John pull away. People don't understand that Rigo was a, he was a sprinter.

Like he held the record for the 100-yard dash in Kansas for a long period of time. Rigo, I think sometimes, like Rigo gets this, label of being a fullback, you know, one of the great fullbacks. Riggins was a running back. Okay, now he was a fullback when he first got to Washington blocking for Mike Thomas, who was the rookie of the year for the skins in 1975. And of course, Rigo laughs and scoffs at the way George Allen used him as a blocking back, which was just so ridiculous when you think about it. But I think when people think of Rigo, they think about him being a big, burly kind of fullback. Rigo, Rigo ran away from people. He's one of the, in terms of that position, he's one of the great combinations of size,

strength, vision, and speed ever put into one body. I know Jim Brown, you know, but Jim Brown is actually the comp for Rigo. And I'm not saying he's Jim Brown. But in terms of that size, that's a level of strength, and people having this perception that he just ran people over. And, you know, his average yards per carry is a low average yards per carry. He played, you know, in some offenses that weren't super dynamic until Gibbs got there. And then it was, you know, total focus on the run. And they would run them a lot, you know, 30 plus times. But Rigo, if you look at that run, if you look at the run in 79 against the Cowboys,

if you look at some of his jet highlights, he outran everybody. Like he outran DBs. And I think sometimes people don't know that about Rigo. And I think Rigo himself was, you know, having worked with Rigo for as much as I have over the years, Rigo loves track and field. I mean, there's always love track and field. And that's because he was prolific as a track, you know, as a track guy. And he loves, I think he sometimes doesn't like the fact that people don't recognize what kind of speed in athleticism he had. I mean, he's through the roof.

But anyway, the mention of Wilts Chamberlain and Kansas made me think of that. I mean, God, Kansas back in that era, right? Wilt came out of Kansas in the 50s. Gail Sayers came out of Kansas and then Rigo came out of Kansas right after Gail Sayers, or a few years

after. I guess Sayers was probably I don't know, is eight years older than Riggins, probably? I'm guessing something like that. Probably, yeah. Probably. Okay. Rico was an all-state basketball player, too.

He was an excellent basketball player. He, he, everything he... Did he ever play basketball with him? No, no. He's, I think he was a... I think we've talked about it. He was very much like a power forward, a bit of a brutish kind of a basketball player.

That was not, you know, his brother, his brother, Frank, who, you know, if you've ever watched the football, life of Rigo, which is, I think, one of the best. It's great. Yes, absolutely. His brother, his older brother, Frank, was an unbelievable athlete as well, and a great football player and a great baseball player as well.

He ended up, I'm going to probably get this wrong, but he ended up in the farm system for, I think, maybe the Kansas City Royals, you know, but he, but Frank was a great running, Frank was in the backfield at Kansas with Rays. Rigo. But Rigo, you know, and, you know, as John and John's told this story so many times, and he told it in the football life, but I remember so many times him joking about that. He was not his father's, you know, his father did not see in John what he saw in the oldest son, Frank. You know, and then John had a younger brother, Billy, who was always, who came on our show all the time. and was hysterically funny in a very dry way.

But Frank was the guy that the father, the old man, thought was going to be a pro athlete. And, you know, he was a pro baseball player. But the high school football coach, and I think that this was in that football life special, the high school football coach said to the old man at some point, I'm paraphrasing, I know you love Frank, but John's going to, Frank's going to be a hell of a college football player, no doubt about it. John's going to play in the NFL one day. And I think that that was the first time the father, hearing it from a coach, it sort of was an eye-opener

of just how great of a player John was. But he always took sort of backstage, you know, backseat to his older brother, which probably happens in a lot of families. Yeah. How did we get sidetracked on this? I don't know. I want to get to Malik Willis and tell you what I think of him. And we'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

We were talking about DeRosin. His actual odds right now on my bookie are plus 2,100 for the MVP. So in front of him are Joelle Embed, who's a plus 120 favorite. You've got Yokic, Janus, Curry, John Morant, Devin, Devin, Booker, in front of them, but he's having a great year. Go to mybooky.com or my bookie.orgie.orgie. Use my promo code, Kevin, D.C., and they will match your first deposit, dollar for dollar, all the way up to a thousand bucks. We're a month away from March Madness. Lots of great college basketball. Man, Georgetown, holy Christ, Tommy. Oh, and 14 in the Big East. I mean,

that, Patrick's got to be done, right? There's no way. This is the worst season we have seen for almost any team locally of the big teams, the four pro teams and the two big college basketball teams. I don't know that we've seen a season this bad in a long time. It's really a sad state for college basketball right now in town. You're right. I mean, Maryland's struggling. You know, they need to hire a new coach, and it looks like Georgetown's probably going to have to hire a new coach as well. But, you know, look, I don't want to – this isn't going to be a college basketball segment. I'm just telling you, Maryland's been really close, though.

Georgetown gets blown out every single night. They're down double digits. They're down 20 plus. It seems like an almost every game. Maryland literally almost beat Purdue. They had a 12-point second-half lead at Purdue, the number three team in the country last week. this week on Super Bowl Sunday and had a chance with the ball in their hands to pull off the upset. By the way, just real quickly, Rutgers is excellent.

I love that coach Steve Pipe. I've liked him since he's gone there. They just became the first team, I think, in five years in the Big Ten to win four straight games against ranked teams. They're going to be a difficult out in the tournament. Anyway, so before I get to Malik Willis, real quickly, tell me what you just saw on Twitter. that Michael Phillips just tweeted out. Okay, Michael Phillips of the Richmond Times Dispatch as an exclusive story that says the Washington commanders

and the NFL are at odds once again, this time over a proposed change to the team's new crest. At the unveiling two weeks ago, the team presented the crest an homage to its history with the dates of the five world championships listed. but fans noted that the dates were the years of the Super Bowl games themselves, not the seasons that preceded the titles. You know, according to a source, the team tweaked the crest,

changing the years to the Roman numerals of the games. However, all changes to logos and tweet identities have to be presented to the NFL for league approval, and the NFL declined Washington's request. Oh, God. I saw the Roman numerals. Somebody sent me, they had some sort of Super Bowl display in L.A. last week, you know, the one in which

Julie was in front of the 22 jersey. But somebody sent me a picture of the crest or patch or whatever you want to call it, and it had the Roman numerals, and it looked fine. That was the right way to go. But the league is telling them, no, you can't make that change. Yes. It doesn't say why. I'm betting on. They just hate this work. They just hate this team so much. They're going to say no to everything. I don't think that's it. I don't think that's it. I'll tell you what I think it is. So when I had Jason Wright on the show the day after 2-22, so 23-22, I said to him, I said, look,

is this, is this the logo thing, patch, what do you call it? He said, we call it our crest. And I said, do you know that the dates are wrong on the championship years? And he said, well, you know, and he started to go into this long explanation. I just, no, no, no, no, they're wrong, Jason. The dates are wrong. Are you going to change them? And he said, well, again, like the official log, the entry thing, you, you know, if you go into this.

And I'm like, you don't have to tell me. And I said, go ask your, you know, and I told you. I said, go ask your coach if he played for the Super Bowl 86 bears or the Super Bowl 85 bears. Okay? I mean, he played for the 85 bears. The 14 and 0 and then 17 and 0 dolphins were the 72 dolphins. Our championship teams are the 82, 87, and 91 teams, period. And I said, worst, let me also just add, what's really unfortunate is that the 92 champions are the Dallas Cowboys.

Okay, so are you going to get it fixed? And, you know, to his credit, he went into this kind of explanation, and he just said, look, we're open to, you know, all of these things and we're learning from people like you and fans and the whole thing. And then somebody sent me this thing of the Roman numerals, which is the, you know, is a perfect answer. You know, put the Roman numerals, you know, include the, you know, the 37 and 42 and and then go with Roman numerals, you know, for 17, 22, and, and, and then go with Roman numerals, you know, for 17, 22, and, and, But he did mention, and he was kind of, you know, meandering around. I mean, he started to tell me about, like, all of these different things that went into the logo and the history of, you know, Peralon font and all this stuff. And I just said, look, no offense. Nobody really cares about that. They care about what they look like, you know, which is true. I mean, you don't, when you, when you come out with a new brand and colors and uniforms and a logo, you know, the history.

of it and how you arrived at it. What does it look like? Do people like what it looks like or not? But he did say that sometimes these things take some time with the league. So maybe they just tried to slip it in there. Like the league wouldn't notice. At least they recognize that they got it wrong.

But the league is saying, no, it takes a couple of years. I mean, we're selling shit with this stuff on it. You know, like, you can't just change your uniform in one year. It takes a couple of years. Okay. Okay, so your theory, and I'm sure, look, you're right. I think the league does have rules about that. But you're thinking is somebody in the Washington commander's office said,

well, we're pretty stupid. Maybe the NFL is just as stupid as us, and we'll just let this go and forget that they have a rule against it. Can I just tell you? Which did not happen. Can I just tell you one thing right now? If I were them, I would basically tell the NFL to. go to hell. I'd say, you know what? My fans are pissed about this. We haven't had much. That's a great

position right now. That's a great position right now. You know what? At this point, the league's distancing itself from the team. And I would just say, I'd call up Roger and say, Roger, I can appreciate some of the rules around, you know, logo and uniform stuff. We really mess this up. and there are people in our fan base that are pissed, and this is an easy change, and it's not that big of a deal. And really, the 83, 83, 88, 92 patches will just be collector items that, you know, represent our stupidity in this, but we are going to change this. And, you know, you know, I hope they do that because Goodell will take their call,

and then Dan leaves a message. And then to break the levity of the energy, NFL, all the NFL is dealing with right now, Roger will call in everybody in his office said, listen to this. Go ahead. Listen to this message here. Well, you want to laugh? Check this out. Well, Roger's dealing with a lot of stuff right now. Yes, he is. They could use a break. Look, to me, if I'm the NFL, you know, it's one thing, you know, we don't really like the logo that we put together.

don't like this crest that we put together. Well, sorry, you put it together. We don't like the color scheme. We don't like the design. We had a couple of others we were thinking about going with and we didn't. And now we really want to. No, we got the rule. You got it.

That's one thing. When you have information on there that's wrong about, you know, something there isn't much to be proud of. But, you know, but 82, 87 and 91, you know, is a source of pride for what's left. of this fan base and certainly a source of pride for the past fan base. I mean, let us have this one for crying out loud. We fucked it up. Please.

We're going to put the Roman numerals on there. It's a real easy fix. They need to, you know, they need to give them one on this one. Because they really, either that or if I'm the team, then I would just say, then we're just not going to sell anything with this crest on it. We just can't. It's just, it's a, it's a constant reminder about how stupid we are to those that actually care about the team. And we're not going to, we already will, we'll do other things that'll reinforce how stupid we are.

We don't want a constant reminder on a sweatshirt of how dumb we are. We're being mocked for this. So you can tell us that we can't change it, which is bullshit, because it's an easy fix. And I would be pissed if I were Jason Wright with the league. I'd say, look, this isn't a design flaw. This is an informational flaw that embarrasses us. We need, we do stuff every day. Our fan base wakes up embarrassed.

We don't need to put it on a sweatshirt, you know, to keep reminding them. We're going to change this to the Roman numerals, and if you really push back, then we're just going to get rid of this crest altogether. I would, I would be firm on that. I would really be, I would appeal to their common sense on something like this. You know, it's not, it's not that you're putting out there something that the team now just has regrets about the design or the color. You're putting something out there that is wrong informationally and is a reminder to everybody out there.

I just think that your view of this, given what the league is going through, because of this franchise is a little naive. I think they're up there saying, you hate getting shit from us. Well, then I would just, then I would basically just take the crest and put it out of the rotation completely. I mean, can they stop them from doing that? Not every team has a crest.

I don't even know. Why do you even have a crest or a patch? Don't you have a family crest? I'll be honest with you. The W, the W, actually, to me, it looks fine. I know it's not overly creative, but it's Washington, and it's the only part of the brand that I can...

The W is fine. And that's the actual logo. So I would, if the league said no, I would just take this crest thing and take it completely out of the rotation. It's just, I mean, God Almighty, these people. All right, I want to tell you about Malie. Willis. So Todd McShay came out yesterday with his updated mock draft.

And his updated mock draft, latest mock draft, had the first quarterback going to Washington at number 11, and the quarterback was Kenny Pickett. And then he had the second quarterback going was Malik Willis, 17 to Pittsburgh, after Pittsburgh traded up. And then he had Matt Corral going, and I think Sam Hal from North Carolina won at the very end of the draft. By the way, at the very end of the draft, just as a reminder to those of you that, you know, talk about the Detroit trade with the Rams sending Stafford to the Rams. Remember, the two first rounders, they got back were the Rams first rounders. Well, this year,

that means that they get the 32nd pick in the first round from the Rams. So if Washington, you know, Washington would have traded with Detroit and would have traded their picks to Detroit, Detroit would have ended up much better off with Washington's pick here this year than the Rams pick. But anyway, so I've mentioned many times, I've seen a lot of the quarterbacks that are being talked about just because I watch a lot of college football. So I've seen a lot of Kenny Pickett, I've seen a lot of Sam Hal, I've seen a lot of Matt Correll, et cetera. But I really have not watched Malik Willis at all. He played at Liberty University. There were a couple of those games like the Bull game against Coastal Carolina last year that I watched.

And the game this year against Ole Miss, I turned on briefly, but I didn't really watch it. So over the weekend and then more so yesterday and last night, I just watched a lot of stuff on Malik Willis, including the Ole Miss game pretty much in its entirety, well, all of the offensive possessions. I love Malik Willis. I, you know, coming out of Mobile, everybody kept saying, Malik Willis has the highest upside, has the highest ceiling, but he's going to need a year, yada, yada, yada, but there's so much ability there. And Kenny Pickett is the guy that everybody says is the most pro-ready. And in fact, in McShay's write-up with Washington taking Kenny Pickett, he writes, you know, perhaps the commanders will trade for Jimmy Garapolo.

Perhaps they'll trade for James Winston, whatever, he goes on. And he said, but I personally, and he goes, I personally have. have liberties Malik Willis slightly ahead of Pickett, but the Pitt signal caller, Kenny Pickett, is more NFL ready. And it's more likely he's the first QB off the board in April. Pickett reads the field well has good touch, timing on his throws, sneaky pocketability, et cetera, et cetera. He then writes, by the way,

I'd be intrigued to see a competition between him and Taylor Heineke in camp. And if Heineke wins the job, he can keep the seat warm while Pickett gets acclimated to the NFL. Let me be really clear on this. If they draft a quarterback at number 11 overall, and it's Kenny Pickett, the most pro-ready, which everybody says, and he isn't starting week one, you've got a real problem with Kenny Pickett if Taylor Heineke is your starter week one. Now, let me get to Malik Willis, because he writes about Malik Willis as he thinks he's got Willis, you know, at the head of the class, but he's got him going to Pittsburgh. He writes, My Top QB Willis has the strongest arm in the class and can create outside the pot. pocket, making tough off-platform throws look easy. He's still developing, and he threw 12

interceptions last season, but the Steelers can build the offense around this dynamic passer. So I've heard a lot of things about Malik Willis, but I really hadn't watched a lot of Malik Willis. The first thing that, and I'm just looking at my notes, because I wrote down some notes here, the first thing is, I guessed that he was much taller than he was. He's listed at his 6-1 and 225, but he plays bigger. Like I would have guessed he was 6-3, but he's 6-1-2-25. But he's a big, strong, strapping dude at 6-1-2-25. Number two, he's got a gun for an arm, and he's got a very quick release.

And all of the discussion about him being inaccurate and his mechanics not being great, I think the mechanics weren't great maybe last year, not this year. I didn't see many mechanical issues. The only thing is his elbow drops a little bit lower when the ball comes out, and you'd have to get kind of a quarterback guru to tell you whether or not that's a big issue or not, but, I mean, can make every throw. Big strong arm. And a quick release.

And, by the way, a very quick decision maker. Third, oh my God, the mobility. I mean, he is not just a mobile guy. He is, I mean, what did I, I always said about Taylor Heineke, the number one attribute was his mobility, but really his natural mobility to evade the pass rush with great feel in the pocket, in then outside of it. Malik Willis has that and some.

He feels it, he ducks it, think about Vic, think about the best to ever do it as, you know, guys with kind of eyes in the back of their head, Malik Willis is that. He's not a straight line RG3 guy that can't see it. He's got a lot of Russell Wilson in him, except he's bigger and stronger than Russell Wilson. I love his mobility. Now, I would think that a pro-offensive coordinator is going to want to use this mobility and have a lot of the elements that you see in pro football now, but more prevalent in college football. A lot of the designed run stuff, a lot of the option zone read stuff, you know, involved in the offense because he is a great ball handler in the zone read game, and he's a really good runner. But he doesn't, like Matt Corral takes one big hit after another. He almost seeks it out. Malik Willis has great vision. He doesn't take a direct shot all the time. So the Ole Miss game was the game that they had on

their schedule this year. They played Virginia Tech two seasons ago. They He played 16th ranked Ole Miss in Oxford in November. And if you just read the box score on the game, you would say, oh, that sucks that he didn't really get it done here in a big spot. He threw three interceptions. He only threw for 172 yards. His team lost 27 to 14, which, by the way, was an incredibly low scoring game compared to what it was supposed to be going into this thing.

and he just didn't deliver in the biggest competition spot that he had all year. I mean, a lot of people were really interested to see what he was going to do against an Ole Miss defense, by the way, that was from a DVOA football outsider standpoint, was 28th in the nation. They were good defensive team. But he threw three interceptions and his team got beat. They were never really in the game. But if you go back and you watch that game, the numbers are very misleading.

he was totally up to the occasion. They dominated, Ole Miss did, basically a non-D-1, a low-level D-1 offensive line and supporting cast. Ole Miss came after him too, and he delivered some really good throws and made some really good plays, and he had receivers drop balls.

One of his interceptions was a catch that the DB just stole out of his hands when they were on the ground, and they called it an interception. and it was certainly not Willis's fault. I thought he was, I didn't think he was outstanding because the team didn't get into the end zone enough, but he moved that team constantly up and down the field.

They just, he had a couple of bad throws. He had one late in the game when they were down 27-7 on a third and long and they came after him, and he just threw it up into the end zone, hoping that a play would be made and it got picked off. And he had a really bad throw at the end of the first half that got picked off. But to me, in watching him, he looked very much like an SEC quarterback.

And if he had played in the SEC, if he had stayed at Auburn as an example, or if he had played at a much higher level with a much higher level supporting cast, I don't think there's any doubt that this dude would be the number one quarterback in this draft. It's liberty, it's the competition, et cetera. But if you go watch as a football fan,

and there's plenty of video out there, just it's all on YouTube. And, you know, you can even get access to the all-22 on Willis. This dude has a massive ceiling. Now, I don't know anything about him, although Big Tony texted me, Tommy, this morning, and said, apparently he's the first one in, last to leave, great teammate, the whole thing. Which you got, we all, I mean, we all understand this, right? I mean, they drafted RG3 and they drafted Dwayne Haskins.

They're 0 for two on their big-time first-round picks, because, as it turns out, both of the guys just weren't the kind of guys you have to have at quarterback in the NFL for different reasons. I mean, you know, RG3 self-absorbed and, you know, the owner's best friend. And in Dwayne Haskins case, just utterly, you know, a child, immature, wasn't ready to, you know, have that kind of responsibility. Malik Willis, if he's not, you know, if he's really, you know, in love with football and as a leader and all those things, I would absolutely be all in if I were Washington on doing whatever I needed to do to get Malik Willis. Now, they're not getting them at 11. After watching this, Tommy, I don't see any chance where teams, there's so many quarterback desperate teams,

I don't see any possibility that people don't trade up for a high-ceiling guy. I think this past year just emphasized and hammered home even more, you better go for the high-ceiling guy because if you don't end up with that guy, you really don't have a chance. And Willis is a high ceiling. Maybe he's a low-floor guy, too. I wouldn't worry about the floor. And here's the other thing. They keep saying he's not ready to play.

He's got to sit for a year. I didn't see that. And if he comes in and plays for this organization, he plays day one. I mean, whether he's ready or not, he plays day one, because they don't have anything else. So I comped him, by the way, if he were 6-4 or 6-5, he's Josh Allen, but he's not, he's 6-1. So Josh Allen's 6-5 and 240 or whatever, and it's just a load. Malik Willis is a bit of a load, too. I mean, he's a big strong dude, but I'm not going to comp him to Josh Allen because there's a big, you know, height difference.

To me, and many people aren't going to be very impressed with this, but let me just say, I think he plays like Jalen Hertz. I like Jalen Hertz. I think his ceiling is much higher than Jalen Hertz. I think he's got a better arm, a stronger arm. I think he's more athletic than Jalen Hertz. And I don't think he plays with kind of the casualness that Jalen Hertz plays with. But stylistically, they're very similar.

And so you would want to have an O.C. that's going to be open to creating some stuff to leverage, you know, what he does really well. But by the way, he can sling it. I mean, he's got a gun for an arm and it's a quick release. I just, I didn't watch any of these games. And I've just been reading about him. And I hear he's very inaccurate. He's got bad throwing mechanics.

He needs a year. I don't see that. I see in a place like Washington, him coming in. And you've got to have the right coordinate. and hopefully Scott Turner is going to be open to designing something that best fits him. But there's no chance Taylor Heineke plays before this dude, or he sits behind Taylor Heinecke for games until he's ready. I mean, if you want to bring in Mitch Tribisky and then draft Malik Willis and be aggressive on that, and then take your time with Willis, okay, but you're not going to do that with Heineke.

Anyway, I loved Malik Willis. I'll continue to watch, you know, like I haven't watched Carson's, strong the Nevada guy, which a lot of people like, he's not mobile. I know that. But Malik Willis, in my opinion, Tommy, if you're Washington, you've got to be thinking highest ceiling guys if you don't get Rogers, Wilson, or Watson. You have to just go for the highest ceiling because we watched Josh Allen go from, you know, Buffalo being mocked a little bit that they took him that high. then he didn't start off his career well, and now he's elite. Mahomes is elite.

Willis has the kind of talent that he could eventually be an elite quarterback. He may not get there for whatever reason, but he's got that kind of talent, so I would go for it. I tell you what, and we've talked about this before, if you don't get one of the elite guys, then I don't think they will. In order to generate any kind of interest or excitement, you have to draft a quarterback and then the idea of the unknown would be the attraction for fans. This guy sounds like he would really get the fan base juiced up, at least until he took the field.

You're 100% right, and we have talked about that before. Mitch Trubisky or Jimmy Garoppolo and Taylor Heineke next year is not a splash, you know, and it's not a path to some sort of big-time upside. you draft a quarterback at 11 or higher, even if it's not Malik Willis, that's what will be, that's legit juice, off-season juice, because it's the unknown. It's the unknown that people will, you know, will grab onto and say, you know, who knows? Maybe, because you get, you know, one out of three, one out of four every year that ends up being really good. This dude's got the upside.

He definitely has the upside. I mean, I like Kenny Pickett. I know a lot of you out there listening don't love Kenny Pickett. I actually do like Kenny Pickett. And I don't think it's just a matter of him being the most pro-ready. I think that he's got some real tremendous upside, too. I don't feel that way about Sam Howell at all. I mean, I'll go back and watch more Sam Howell.

And Matt Corral and Malik Willis are very similar. I think Willis has a quicker release and a stronger arm. than Matt Corral. And Matt Corral is this dude that just consistently seeks out contact. I mean, every single game you watched, he was limping around. I mean, it's Tua. He's not the same style player of Tua. But I remember saying about Tua Tunga Viloa his senior year,

I'm like, God, every time you turn an Alabama game on, Tua is hobbling around. And it was the same thing with Corral. This guy, Willis is really, really gifted, really gifted. And I don't know, maybe. a real evaluator of quarterback play might say he drops that elbow a little bit too low. The mechanics aren't great. That's what's got to be fixed because it leads to some inaccuracy, which I'll be honest with you, I didn't see a lot of inaccuracy. You go back two years you see it, but I think maybe

his mechanics improved significantly from last year to this past season. But, you know, they might say, you know, he's got to grow in terms of his ability to really, you know, be great pre-snap, post-snap, et cetera. But I don't know, there is upside with that dude. Just go watch the tape people. And watch the game that everybody knocked him for, the old Miss game this year, because it was like the big opportunity. And he threw three picks and they got beat pretty badly. Go watch that game and tell me that you think he was terrible in the game. I don't think he was terrible at all. I think his team let him down a lot in that game, and they were just overmatched in that game against, you know, an SEC team, a good defensive SEC team, and a team

that really got after him. And I would not take that Jalen Hertz comp and say, oh, I don't want Jalen Hertz. Jalen Hertz is not a bad quarterback. But I think his upsides much higher than Jalen Hertz. I just think stylistically he plays like Hertz is the only thing I'm saying. He also plays like Josh Allen. It's just that Josh Allen, my God, is 65-2-45 or whatever he is. Yeah. Okay. You want to talk about this Cowboys thing and then wrap up the show? Sounds good. We'll do it right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast. Rate us and review us, especially on Apple. We appreciate that. So much has been fun reading a lot of your recent ratings and reviews. Okay. Before we get

to the Dallas situation. I just asked you during our little break here. Have you been watching any of the Winter Olympics? No, I have not. Okay. I'll be honest with you, and I don't want to get into a big discussion about it, but I think

it's obscene, given the horrible human rights practices that are going on in China right now, that anybody would send a reporter to cover those events. The last thing I give a shit about is a guy

damn figure skater or goddamn equip, bobsled equipment or anything like that. Uh-huh. You know? While, while there's people being jailed just for the way they think, and, you know, these, these concentration camps that they have.

So, you know what? You know, I've got a sense of outrage. And to me, I think every media organization that sent reporters over to cover this are just a neighborer's China. They're just Chinese enabled. So you hate people who get cancelled for the way they think

or jailed for the way they think. Interesting. So... There's a big difference between being behind bars and ignoring somebody. Or just having somebody lose their job and lose their livelihood. So real quickly, I have been watching

some of the Winter Olympics the last couple of nights. Not a lot of it. And it's actually not the last couple of nights. This skating thing with this 15-year-old girl she apparently finished fourth and was a nervous wreck. They shouldn't have let her compete clearly.

And it messed up the whole, you know, by the way, I think this is true. I think it's the number one viewed portion of the Winter Olympics. Is it not? Figure skating, isn't that the biggest draw? I think it is. Yes. So apparently that whole thing has been ruined.

Liz, I saw Liz Clark tweeting some stuff out. And I did watch some of that. And by the way, this 15-year-old skater, obviously, who tested positive for something, I don't know much about figure skating, but there was a big difference between her and the other women when I was watching it with my wife last weekend or whenever it was. But I was just going to tell you that I watched for like 30 minutes. I was kind of mesmerized with curling. I guess I was mesmerized in part because it basically is kind of like shuffleboard.

I don't really understand the rules of the game. It's so boring. And I guess it is a skill. It's certainly not an athletic endeavor. It's more of, you know, if you're good at curling, you might be good at darts. You know, or shuffleboard. Shuffleboard was always a fun game to play when somebody had a good shuffleboard table and turned it into a drinking game. But I, the curling thing, I just don't really.

understand it, and it's so intense with the participants. But my God, how could you watch that thing for hours upon hours? These games take forever, too. It's not cricket. But they have, you know, these sweepers and the – The whole thing is weird. I know. I've covered – I've been to – you know, there's a Potomac Curling Club,

and they've had events locally. And when you have, like, a tournament, it's called a Bond Steel. and here's the attraction of curling that they probably don't have at the Olympics is when other clubs all come for a bond spiel they drink they bring cases and cases

and cases of beer it's the only way that it makes it interesting cases stop hiding at the ceiling I mean just unbelievable amounts of beer at these events the

so that's the attraction The big round heavy things that they, you know, push down the ice and then they try to broom them into the spot and the circle thing, they call them rocks. The announcers call them rocks. I think that's funny. But I would like somebody to just send me a DM and just tell me if I'm right that this is not really considered to be an athletic endeavor. This is more of a true kind of skill. You know, this is horseshoes, this is darts, you know, this is shuffleboard. I don't see any athleticism involved in this, but maybe I am missing something.

So if you are a curling expert and you're listening to this podcast, just DM me on Twitter and tell me what, you know, if curling is just a game of skill, that's what it would appear like to me. They have these rocks. They have these brooms. Nobody's moving very quickly. I'll tell you, the athletic part is when they're trying to broom the rock into the right spot, they have to sidestep and step over the other rocks. Oh, my God. Paying to go to a curling match?

I covered a couple of Winter Olympics. I covered the winter Olympics. No, from the actual location. I was in Nagano in 1998. in 1998 and Salt Lake and you were in Salt Lake City yeah right I remember you told me

in 2002 and you know in Nagano in Japan you know my nickname was by the Japanese big boss yeah because they they love you know

they love bigger bigger Americans I guess they don't see a lot of those over there I couldn't walk 10 feet down the street without getting my picture taken by somebody do you know that I It was pretty wild.

When I was in Park City a couple of years ago, I went to some of the Salt Lake City skiing venues from the Olympics that are still up there. It's really amazing what's required to put on a winter Olympics. Because, like, as a host city, Salt Lake City, I mean, you're an hour and a half, you know, where you're at every bit of an hour to a ski venue from downtown Salt Lake City. like the events are just so spread out. And I saw, you know, sort of the Olympic village for the skiers that was still there. I don't know. I actually think a Winter Olympics would be fun to go to. I've never been to an Olympics, period.

Never been. Should it be on my list? It's kind of on my list, but not really. The Olympics has become an obscenity. No. I know. You don't need to put it on your list. Okay.

Let's talk about the cowboy situation. and let's get the hell out of here for the day. So most of you probably know at this point, this Don Van Nata Jr., who is really an investigative reporter for ESP. He's a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter. Yeah, he's done a lot of really good stories. Him and the guy, Van Valkenberg, or whatever, are really good. No, actually, Seth, Whicker Shams.

Wicker Shams good, too. Is their other eights? Yeah, but so is Van Valkenberg. I think I got the last name right. Don Van Nata Jr. So for those that don't know or aren't that familiar with the story, the Cowboys paid a confidential settlement of $2.4 million after four members of their cheerleading squad accused a senior team executive of voyeurism in their locker room as they undressed during a 2015 event at AT&T Stadium, each of the women received $399,523 after the incident.

By the way, I mean, if it were, I'm assuming if it's a $2.4 million settlement that, like if that's a settlement, do the math, it should have been six members of the cheerleading squad that got $400K. But whatever. One of the cheerleaders alleged that she clearly saw Richard Dalrymple, the Cowboys' Long longtime senior VP of public relations and communications standing behind a partial wall in their locker room with his iPhone extended toward them while they were changing their clothes, according to several people with knowledge of the events and letters later sent by attorneys for the cheerleaders of the team. Dalrymple gained entry to the back door of the cheerleaders locked dressing room by using a security card. Dalrymple was also accused by a lifelong Cowboys fan of taking upskirt photos of Charlotte Jones Anderson, a Cowboys team senior vice president, and the daughter of team owner Jerry Jones.

This happened in the Cowboys War Room during the 2015 NFL draft, which they were live streaming, and this fan saw this happen and signed an affidavit that said he was watching a live stream and saw Richard Dalrymple shoot a video or use his phone to take photos underneath the skirt of Charlotte Jones Anderson, Jerry Jones's daughter. Now Dalrymple did not respond to the interview request by ESPN. He told team officials he entered the cheerleader's locker room, not knowing the women were there and left right away. His account was contradicted by the way multiple sources described the alleged incident

to ESPN. Dalrymple issued a statement and said, people who know me, co-workers, media colleagues, know who I'm about, know what I'm about. I understand the very serious nature of these claims and do not take them lightly. The accusations are, however, false. One was accidental and the other simply did not happen. The accidental was the locker room with the cheerleaders. and the other that simply did not happen,

he is saying the shot of Charlotte Jones's underneath her skirt. Everything that was alleged was thoroughly investigated years ago, and I cooperated fully. A Cowboys representative said the team thoroughly investigated both alleged incidents and found no wrongdoing by Dalrymple and no evidence that he took photos or video of the women. The team does not dispute that Dalrymple used his security card to enter the cheerleader's locker room while the women

were changing clothes. The organization took these allegations extremely seriously and moved immediately to thoroughly investigate this matter, said Jim Wilkinson. The investigation was handled consistent with the best legal in HR practices, and the investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing. If any wrongdoing had been found, Rich would have been terminated immediately. Everyone involved, though, felt just terrible about this unfortunate incident, Wilkinson said. So my first reaction, Tommy, was, if there was nothing there after you investigated, why did you pay these women $2.4 million? Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. But. Absolutely. And, you know, the go-to move here is, well, look at what happened to the Cowboys. You know, this is always the, I mean, going on with the Washington, the commanders, people will say, well, what about the Cowboys? you know, the what about game that they play in, but they're not the same. They're not, they're not comparatively identical.

No, they're not. You want to explain why they're not comparable? Well, one, with Washington, according to the allegations raised in the Washington Post story, and the testimony of the people who testified at the roundtable, the congressional roundtable, on the franchise's sexual misconduct issues it was systematic and prevalent

for many years and there's multiple victims these weren't like you know I mean there's no evidence that this they call the NFL itself called it a toxic atmosphere

in the franchise okay this was who the Washington franchise was not things that happened within the Washington franchise. Yeah, I mean, that's one big difference between the two. One was this several-year-long toxic workplace culture for women,

a misogynistic workplace for women where they were sexually harassed or allegedly sexually harassed on the regular. There was also the other big difference is that Dan is much closer to the scene of the crime than Jerry Jones is in this case. You know, Dan, there, I mean, first of all, we have the recent allegation from Tiffany Johnston, but we, you know, we have a $1.6 million settlement against Dan, you know, on a plane ride back from the country music awards, which we don't know what it was for. We also have the allegation that there was the cheerleading, you know, video.

There was the version that, you know, the public saw, and then there was a special version that was edited just for Dan. There were those accusations, whether or not they're true or not. There's nothing here that has Jerry anywhere near the scene of this potential incident. Other than Jerry's closest friend in this organization, according to many, was Richard Dalrymple for years. He was with the organization for 32 years. Now, let me just say that the reason that you would pay the cheerleaders $2.4 million is the same reason a lot of, you know, big companies with lots of disposable ability will pay somebody, even if it's not an admission

of fault. It's because they don't want it to become a story. They don't want it to get out there. And in this particular case, Dalrymple, I was watching an interview with Don Van Nata Jr. yesterday, you know, there apparently was a bathroom nearby, a men's bathroom nearby, and that he was trying to get access to that. It could have been, I mean, I'm just saying, I don't know that it was, but it could have been possible that it wasn't. accidental and at the same time the cheerleaders were also traumatized by it.

Like he didn't mean anything by it. He was trying to get to a bathroom and then he realized it and got out of there. But the cheerleaders saw him with his phone in his hand and in the women's locker room and they were upset by it. So that that could be a reason that they paid $2.4 million. What is strange, though, is that Dalrymple after 32 years retired earlier this month to no franchise fanfare. And in the wake of hearing, everybody believes that ESPN was getting and closing in on the details of this story. But it's not comparable to Washington's situation. It's nice to have a little bit of company in our misery. There's nothing wrong with, I think, you know, embracing that as a Washington football fan.

What do they call that? Schadenfreude or whatever. But you, but it's just. just not the same situation. Now, the bigger question is, does this hurt or help in the situation we all want, which is Dan's exit? Does this impact it at all? What do you think? I don't think it impacts it. I think it enhances. I mean, I know the focus that the House Committee on Oversight has been a lot about the Washington. the commanders.

But they're also interested in the NFL overall. They're also interested in the emails between John Gruden and Bruce Allen. That's also part of the scope that they want to examine. I think it helps their case. The more evidence they could mount about what they could at least paint as an NFL systematic problem. So I think for what the committee wants to do, this helps them in their overall scope. I don't think it impacts Dan one way or to Washington or the commanders one way or the other. Neil said to me this morning, he just said, look, you know, what is the purpose of Congress continuing to stay after this?

They've got to have, you know, sort of a larger reason other than just to get Dan Snyder in the Washington commanders. and, you know, he's starting to think that it might be, you know, it's, it's, they've been talking about, you know, just, you know, learning from and creating legislation to make workplaces everywhere, more safe for women. Okay. So that, that's, that's a big, you know, that's a big, that's, that's a big, that's, that's a big, that's, that's a big, that's, that's a big, that's, that's a big, uh, view of it. The micro, uh, view or a specific goal would be to move to a situation where these end, DAs are not part of an employment requirement, you know, and NDAs are not confidentiality agreements. They're not settlements, you know, with an employee as part of a quid pro quo for severance or whatever. You know, but a lot of companies will require new employees just to sign a general one-sheet NDA. You know, even if they don't have a contract, because most employees don't have contracts with companies, right? But if you do, if you are in one of those positions where you actually have a contract with a company, there are stricter kind of confidentialities and non-competes and non-disclosures in a contract versus, you know,

these one-page NDAs, which really are very hard to enforce, very hard to enforce. But still, Neil seems to think that potentially this could be the way Congress goes and that this cowboy situation could be another reason for Congress to continue to, to continue to push forward on this. You know, the more and more... Yeah. Yeah. Yes. This is the bigger scope.

And this is, I mean, like, you know, Dan Snyder gets all the attention, but the emails are still very much. The emails is the one that we've talked about before. Kick started the whole Wilkinson outrage again. So they're very interested in those emails. And they see that. The questions they've raised on that,

is this a pattern? throughout the league, and then the cowboy story only feeds that notion. Last thing on this, like when I read it, I mean, I understand voyeurism, and, you know, it's certainly one of the genres out there if you're interested in that kind of thing. But in this day and age, honestly, how weird do you have? to be to use your phone to take photos of cheerleaders changing or an upskirt of, you know, the owner's daughter, who by the way, she's a woman. I mean, it's not like, you know, this is Jerry's daughter.

She's probably in her 40s or 50s, I'm guessing. I don't know. It just, hey, Richard, you got the phone in your hand, dude? There's a lot more accessible through your phone than just your camera. trying to take some pictures. Yeah. It's just... That's a deep-seated issue that has much more to do than just, you know, a quick look.

That's some deep-seated issues there. I don't, yeah. Look, I'm not suggesting that these things don't happen anymore and that this isn't, you know, I just, it's weird. It's strange. And by the way, if it's true, I mean, a massive violation. And the team, if they investigated it and swept it under the rug, they're going to be in big trouble. But then again, they settled.

They got a settlement. And so it's not like you're going to get anything from these cheerleaders after they took 400 grand. Because with that 400 grand came a strict confidentiality associated with this. Because none of the cheerleaders are part of this story, nor will they be. Dalrymple's not. The Cowboys didn't do it. By the way, Van Nata Jr.'s reporting is, I'm sure, spot on. But they apparently have the time stamps on the key card that he used.

So it would be interesting to find out how long he was in there. Like, did he go in there and realize he was in there and then immediately leave because he didn't realize he was walking in on somebody? Or was he there for 15 minutes? And in terms of the video on the live stream, I wonder if that live stream video exists anywhere. Did you ever know, Rich? No, I never dealt with him.

I know a lot of people who cover football did, obviously. Yeah, he was always considered to be very good as a PR guy. Yeah. All right. Anything else? I got nothing else for you today, boss. It's just another day in paradise down here in Miramar Beach. It's beautiful here today, too.

It's in the 50s. It's going to be 60-something tomorrow. All right, I'm done with you. I'm done with everybody. Back tomorrow. Enjoy the rest of the day, evening, whenever you're listening to this. See you.