The Kevin Sheehan Show - March Sadness?

Episode Date: March 11, 2020

Thom was back. He's hunkered down with gloves on and hand-sanitizer nearby. The boys talked Coronavirus and made some predictions about its impact on March Madness. Lots of Redskins talk too. They also discussed the possibility that RG3 could be an NFL starter next year. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Yep, Tommy's back. Aaron's here. I am here. Tommy's back from Florida. He is on the phone. And I think that most of you will understand why he's on the phone. And he's probably hunkering down out there in lovely Frederick Maryland. We've got things to get to their sports-related. but I think we have to start with the coronavirus and the impact it's having on the world and sporting events, which we'll get to. But, you know, when you texted me yesterday and said, hey, I'm taking the CDC seriously on this, I'm going to call in to do the podcast. I'm like, I get it. No problem at all.

So, first of all, you know, you're feeling well? Everything okay? Because you're in. I'm feeling fine. It just so happened. I had a doctor's appointment yesterday for like a checkup, and he told me privately. He thinks everybody's going to get the virus.

It's really, there's not a whole lot you can do. He told me this while I was wearing disposable exam gloves that I had brought with me. You know, you can't buy Purell anywhere. No. You can't buy it online. You can't buy it anywhere. So I came up with the idea of buying the gloves that you see in your doctor's office. Right.

A box of those. Yeah, those are low. There aren't many of those left. Well, I got a couple boxes, and if I go out, I wear them because they keep me from touching stuff. And then when I'm done, at the end of the day, I throw them away. it seems like a pretty effective way, at least to reduce your chances of touching germs. It's what they use in the doctor's office. So I asked him if he thought that was over the top a little bit,

and that's when he said, I'm not sure there's a lot anybody can do, which was real encouraging. Oh, my God. That sort of goes hand in hand with my CDC neighbor. And, you know, I think I told you a week and a half ago, and I'm just going to cut it short because I talked about this on the podcast yesterday, but a week and a half ago, my neighbor who works for the CDC said, just get your flu shot. Don't worry about this coronavirus. And then I ran into Monday night, and he said, yeah, I'm going to amend that particular statement. There's a lot we don't know about this. And, you know, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. And it's going to really impact the whole world and the economy, the whole world. the whole world. And in fact, Tommy, you and I haven't talked for several days now. On Monday's podcast, I just said, you know, somebody's going to get this virus, a player is going

to get the virus or test positive in this upcoming March Madness tournament. And that team's going to potentially be forfeited from the tournament because the incubation period, like you can test the rest of the players, but they may test. test negative today and then positive in three or four days. So you can't let a team go out and play if a player's tested positive, more likely than not. So I asked my CDC neighbor if that's crazy. And he said, no, it's not crazy.

And he's sort of a sports fan. He said, maybe what they should do Sunday night when they announce the bracket is announced like 10 to 12 replacement teams. That, you know, and I said, that's funny. and he said, well, I'm being serious. He said, it's not going to shock me if a team gets forfeited because a player or a coach or somebody close to that group test positive. You know, I mean, the bottom line is any plans that you think you have

are up in the air right now for anything. And any event, anything in your personal life, it's all sort of up in the air right now. And that's, you're right, I think that's a good point. and what I think they would do is they would have a contingency plan but not announce it. I mean, I don't think they would announce standby teams, but I'll bet they would have. Oh, I think the stand. Yeah, I think the standby team thing is sort of tongue in cheek, but I think the potential of a team forfeiting is not crazy.

No, no, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, this thing to snowball. I mean, I wrote a column in today's Washington time. about all the sports teams league decisions to keep reporters out of the locker room and you know how that seemed like a small inconsequential thing and and there is a real fear that you know when this is all over they'll figure out well we've lived without them in that room before we can live without them now but that seems i mean i i also pointed out it seems moot because no one's going to be in those arenas. No one's going to be in those locker rooms if they're playing games.

It's all going to be a TV show. It's not just reporters. It won't be any fans around either. You know, it's interesting listening to you talk because you're not usually the one that sounds the alarm bell on something like this, but what it speaks to is your personal vulnerability because of your age and because of your recent, you know, bronchitis that you've had a couple of times. you know, I've talked to my father and mother the last couple of days, and they're sort of hunkering down. You know, my father's out playing golf in Florida, you know, a lot, and he's outdoors a lot. He's pretty active, but the, but, you know, my mother's up here. She's not going out.

They're not going to restaurants anymore. You know, this is really, it's really interesting because, you know, if you're young, you're really not all that worked up over this, yet you should be because if you have people in your life, that are older that you love, you know, you being sort of blazze and not being diligent on this stuff could ultimately cost them, you know, a serious sickness or worse. Yeah, when the CDC came out and said, if you're over 60, you really shouldn't go out. Right. You know, that hit home for me.

Yeah, I know. I'm 66. I had bronchitis in August. So I'm like right in the cross pairs of vulnerability here. So, yeah, I mean, I tend to take those things pretty seriously. And so my plan is, you know, I'm going to go in to do the radio show on 106-7 the fan, you know, on today this afternoon with Chad and Saturday with Nick. But other than that, I'm not going anywhere. I'm going out and walking around outside.

But I'm not going to any, I'm not going out to dinner. I'm just, I'm my, and you know, it's something that you can, you say, well, it's not too bad now. But if it goes on for five, six, seven weeks, it's going to get awfully old. Yeah, I mean, I mean, what are you going to do about your Pinnacle game, isn't that tonight? I mean, what about, you know, I used to know how to like Pingo. What about Bingo? You love bingo on Friday nights. Biggo, I bet you're going to bingo halls are empty.

Yeah, it's really killing the bingo industry. Sherm Lewis is looking for a job again. You know what's funny, baseball, I mean, they're going to have to change this, but baseball came out and said they're going to play their spring training schedule as is. And I'm thinking, everybody over 60 is at a spring training game in Florida. Yeah, the demographic. Yeah, exactly. We used to joke around in St. Petersburg when the Orioles played there.

It's the only place where you take attendance before the game and after the game. That's really funny. You know, that's pretty much what they do on cruise ships, you know, even before this. It's like we had 337 souls, you know, that entered and 334 left. I mean, there were lots of reasons for that. But, yeah. This is ridiculous to play out these spring training games, you know, as well. It's all, it's all the plans are just, you know, are potentially going to be wrecked.

You know, I was reading something where basically a local health official in Ohio. If you saw the governor of Ohio yesterday essentially said no mass gatherings for sports events, conferences the whole thing. And somebody from the health departments, you know, it was sort of a throwaway sort of, you know, medical professional line. It's just sports. Come on. This is serious stuff. This is life and death. Which, of course, is true. But at the same time, it's our economy. You know, like the NCAA tournament is a billion dollar operation with thousands and thousands of people whose livelihoods depend on this. And I'm not talking about coaches in athletic departments and universities.

I'm talking about people who work at arenas, people who run restaurants and towns where the sub-regionals are and the regionals are and Uber drivers and hotels. And, you know, this is the stuff that is actually really scary is the impact on our economy. I mean, Italy is essentially shut down their whole country and their economy. because why? Because this is, you know, not serious. Somebody thinks it's serious. A lot of people think it's serious. But at the same time, you know, I read that line and I was like, yeah, you know, that's true. But if you're going to shut this kind of stuff down, you better be damn sure that you're not just doing it in case because you're impacting a lot of people's lives negatively by shutting it down too. You know, may not be costing them their lives. but then again I agree

I agree with you but I mean if you look of the track record of the way this thing has unfolded just like in 48 hours I know it's snowballing so quickly

that what seems to be an overreaction is basically you know within six hours seems reasonable behavior six hours later you're right you know I have relatives in Italy

and I've been in touch with them, and they said that the hospitals are just passed. Right. They said that the ICUs have, are in the hallways. I mean, the ICUs are so filled that they've got people in the hallways there. And doctors are having to make difficult decisions sometimes about treating some of these people because they don't have enough resources. Italy is in bad shape. Yeah.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, you know, who's been, you know, front and center in the White House press conferences on, you know, part of the vice president Pence team on coronavirus just said moments ago. He was asked is the worst yet to come. He said, yes, it is. Things are going to get worse. Bottom line, it's going to get worse. And, you know, the numbers keep climbing. I mean, it's now, you know, basically like, you know, I think approaching like 5,000 people worldwide have died from it. and I understand, like everybody keeps saying, do you know how many people, how much the flu kills each year? I understand all that, but this is the early stages. Like, we don't know what's to come, and it's a higher percentage, like the fatality, like the death rate on this thing is like three times as high as it is for influenza. But even they don't know about that because they're expecting that percentage to go lower because so many cases that probably would have tested positive haven't been tested and they were very mild symptom cases.

that, you know, the people have gotten through and they never... So there are a lot of people that have probably had it and gotten through it already that aren't going to be counted in terms of the totality of number of people that have gotten it. Therefore, that percentage is going to stay high rather than going down. More likely that percentage in terms of the death rate is going to come down than go up, at least, you know... Well, because of the volume of people. Yeah.

But, you know, I saw an interesting comparison to that on social media. to this idea of, you know, only 5,000 people have died, your risk of dying so many other ways are greater. And this person said, you're more likely to die in a car crash than a bear attack. But if you saw a bear running towards you on the road, what would you do? Say, oh, I don't have to worry.

I'm more likely to die in a car crash. Yeah, no. And it's running towards us. Angela Merkel, the German estimates now, and I read this a little while ago, they're estimating that two-thirds of Germans will become infected. And I think that's the, I think like what your doctor told you and what my next-door neighbor told me is that we are at the very beginning, and he said, you're going to know people that get infected with this.

He said, it's going to be almost impossible to avoid either getting infected or knowing people close in your lives that will be infected and potentially hospitalized for it. And to your point, that's where, you know, you get another bottleneck as hospitals and doctors and test kits and all of this. I mean, and the, you know, when people start hunkering down, you know, the 9-11 thing was, you know, we all remember, most of us remember what it was like in this country, you know, post-9-11 for that first few days, few weeks, maybe, in the first few months. It impacted the travel industry incredibly. But within a couple of months, people were back to sort of their normal routine.

You know, it was more of like, hey, you know what, this truly is like, you know, a risk that's a long shot. And we, oh, by the way, we can't show fear because that's giving in to sort of what terrorists want. And this is different. This is something we can't see. This is something we can't predict right now. We've got no chance right now. You, and I of understanding truly what's going to happen with is it's a true pandemic, I think. I mean, at this point. I mean, it's over a hundred countries. I mean, you know, I mean, there's so many scenarios to be afraid of.

Like, what will our grocery stores look like in three weeks? Well, I can tell you what they look like right now. A lot of empty shelves. Yeah, people are, I mean, have to, have to, they have to ship the food. somebody has to basically put the stuff on the shelf. What if those people are sick? What if they don't want to work? What have they been told to stay home?

What have you done to prepare for this? Well, again, you know, Liz is usually not as alarmist as I am, but now she's on board with it as well. So we haven't overstocked on any supplies. or anything like that. But now I think our eyes have been opened a little bit, so we might tend to basically pick up some things here or there that we normally wouldn't need so much of.

You know, it's a thinking worst-case scenario. But the main thing I did was I bought the gloves. I purchased a couple boxes of disposable gloves, and when I go out the door, I've got them on. Remember, when you touch something with your gloves, you still can't take your gloves and touch your face. But I think that the gloves on my hand remind me not to touch my face. You definitely need a reminder of things, that's for sure. I'm about to touch your face.

Well, you can't today. Yeah, I mean, I think it's, I mean, I feel like we've been taught. I mean, you and I haven't talked about it, but we've talked about it now a couple of days. straight on the podcast. But, you know, for a lot of the people that listen to this podcast, it's really going to hit home when you start watching these games in empty arenas. By the way, I found it interesting yesterday that, you know, the NBA basically, you know, shut LeBron's talk down. And now LeBron, you know, is saying, I don't know if you saw this, Tommy, but basically on Friday, LeBron says, I only play for the fans. If there are no fans,

I ain't playing. You know, and then, and then basically he was put in his place by a couple of team executives and league execs, and now he says he's considering the possibility of going ahead and playing in front of empty arenas because, you know, people would be disappointed during this, you know, time if you didn't play. I mean, come on, man. You'll play because you've got a contract that says you're going to play. But we're going to see games in empty arenas. The Ivy League canceled their tournament yesterday. Canceled it outright. Didn't decide to play it in front of empty arenas. They just canceled it. The mid-American tournament is closed to the public. The ACC tournament is not. The Big Ten tournament says, nope, we're okay. There's some thought

that bigger arenas with better ventilation are going to be able to continue to play while smaller aren't going to be able to do this. You've already seen, you know, new Rochelle, New York, basically, you know, a mile square radius be completely locked in. They got the national Guard delivering things in and out of that place. It's getting crazy up in here. I better start loading up on some stuff. I haven't bought anything. Well, it might be a good idea because the stuff that you'll be looking for

is probably not on the shelf right now. Yeah, it's not. You might want to go on the web and start shopping. Yeah, I don't think. Kara did try to get some hand sanitizer shipped via Amazon, I think, and they didn't have any. There was none. No.

And we couldn't buy soap in Target the other day. Liquid soap that we used? Yeah. All guys. But I was able to buy some online. All right. I'm a scrubbing full. I watch my hands all the time.

I'm that way anyway. I have some OCD tendencies. So I'm, I wash my hands a lot anyway, but I've been doing it even more recently. And yeah, I mean, like I,

you're walking, around like we're sitting here in this studio and it's like you know it's just aaron and me here but i don't know what aaron's been into and i don't know how clean he is i'm not going anywhere near his part of the studio i can tell you that right now but he still touches the handle on the door coming in and out you know yeah but he hasn't coughed yet i've coughed more but you know this is uh sinking up with uh with allergy season where people you know people cough people sneeze people You know, I actually have some asthma associated with tree pollen. You know, I better start loading up on those meds.

Where can we go and just watch this from afar and be safe? I don't know if there is any place. All right. I did, I had an email or a tweet from somebody yesterday that said it was from Leonard. Not from Leonard, excuse me. Where is it here? Oh, it's from Vic. Vic said, what are you guys doing, Sheehan?

And I think this was probably more of a response to the radio show than the podcast. I'm not sure. He said, stop spreading panic. This is a nothing burger. I don't really think that it's a nothing burger anymore. It just isn't. And the reason it isn't is because you have no idea at this point what it is or what it isn't, because the experts don't really seem to have a great handle on it either.

Look, I know in this day and age, we're not exactly in the age of enlightenment, and people with intelligence are, you know, all of a sudden, you know, considered like, you know, morons or something like that. But the Harvard University has basically shut down. They've told their students to me. Right. I thought the same thing. These are some of the smartest people we have. I mean, they have the wreaths they have at their, at their fingertips,

some of the smartest scientists and doctors in the country. And they've told their students, get out. You know, maybe you just hit on the biggest alarm bell. And that is that Harvard shut down in the Ivy League, canceled their conference tournament. They didn't make it you can't attend. They canceled it. And by the way, they got criticized from people saying that they overreacted, that they could have gone to empty buildings. This is the Ivy League. Okay, this is Princeton, Penn, Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, you know, the list goes on and on. This is the actual Ivy League. They canceled

the Big Ten, you know, they're going ahead with their tournament. The ACC, going ahead with their tournament. Maybe the fact that people at Brown and Cornell canceling their tournament should be an indication to the rest of the world that maybe they've got it right. That's what I thought. You know, if the pencil neck geeks think we should get out, then I'm with them.

Yeah. Exactly. If all the advanced analytics guys are out, maybe we should reconsider here what we're doing on this. the daily basis. All right. Anyway, you're not, you don't leave, you can go out and walk around during the day. I don't know why you're going in to do the radio show.

You better make sure they've got some spray and that the, you know, the mics are clean and the, in the studios are clean. Why can't you do that from home? Well, because I can't do two hours and four hours from home. Yeah. And listen, they've already sent out a. memo about the steps that they've taken to clean the studio. Yeah, they did that at all.

And it just so happens. One of the things I did buy that has arrived are windscreens. Yeah. So I can bring my own and use my own on the microphone. You should. You should. In fact, I'm looking at my windscreen right now. I've got to get a new windscreen on here.

Now I'm the only one that uses this. Well, I ordered them online, and they came within a day. Right. Oh, good for you. Do you think I have a responsibility to send out an internal email to you and Aaron about what the Kevin Sheehan Show podcast is doing to keep the studio clean and keep everybody safe? I think for legal purposes, if you want to protect yourself from the coming lawsuit, yes, I think you do. Well, you're not an employee, nor is Aaron. You're both 1099 independent contractors, so I don't know that I need to do that. But I'm going to look into it. I'm going to have counsel look into that to see what I need.

need to do as the sole partner of this operation. All right. Do you want to talk some sports or not? Yes, absolutely. While we can. Well, one last thing. What do you think? The biggest event in this country, sports-wise, is March madness in terms of what's, you

know, about to happen here, you know, what's upcoming. It's the month of March. It's about college basketball. Give me a prediction on how it gets impacted. I think before it's all said and done, it'll all be canceled. They won't even play in empty arena. It'll all be done. Too much money involved for that.

Boy, you buried the lead, didn't you? You waited 15 minutes, 20 minutes into the podcast to hit me with that? You think March the tournament's going to be canceled? They may start it, but at some point, I don't think they'll finish it. My prediction on March Madness is that one team ends up having to forfeit, at least one. Ends up having to drop out of the tournament at some point. And Aaron, there's too much money involved. Where's the final four this year?

Atlanta. What if the governor of Georgia declares no live sporting events? Then they'll find another empty arena to play somewhere. There's too much money in the TV. That's where the NCAA gets most of the money. I get that. But, I mean, who's going to be the governor to say, okay, come here and bring your disease-filled tournament to us? Larry Hogan?

Played at Royal Farms Arena up in Baltimore. Yeah. We can play at an Xfinity Center and pack it with Maryland fans when they play. I think Aaron's right. I don't think that the final four, I don't think the NCAA tournament, unless you get teams that get infected and the teams start dropping like flies in terms of being forced to forfeit, that would obviously impact the tournament and perhaps postpone it. And we might end up with August madness. You see, at some point, at some point, the people in charge will not be the people who deal with the money. Well, yeah, they can't play it in someone's backyard.

They have to play it in an arena in a city where they get approval. And if the states are all shutting down live sporting events and they've got nowhere to go, where would they stage it? Outdoors on a ship. Yeah, maybe on a cruise ship. Well, they've played college basketball games on an aircraft carrier. So, yeah, I think a lot of wild stuff is still to come. I'm with you on that.

I would probably be on Aaron's side on this one that you're going to get through the end of March and early April. Sands told me this morning on the radio show that you can get a master's ticket for next to nothing right now. Because it's such an international event, Tommy, and nobody is coming to the masters from outside of this country. Yeah. And by the way, I don't think the master's. wants a lot of the international people coming in for this particular tournament. So you can go to the Masters this year, apparently, for next to nothing. Tickets are available, and I don't think in the normal way of purchasing tickets,

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When his trade value, arguably, well, certainly not as strong as it would have been if you traded them after last season, you know, before all the stuff hit. And I think you and I agree that's when he should have been dealt. So I'm kind of like numb to it. Does it mean he's definitely going to get traded? What if he doesn't get, what if he, do you think he'll get the money that he wants? If it's $20 million a year, I don't think anyone's going to pay him that. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, honestly right now, I would say that someone will pay him a contract that he'll accept.

It'll be near the top of the market, if not at the top. of the market and that someone will part with at least a second round pick for him. That's what I would guess. But Tommy, my position is if you're the Redskins and you don't get at least a top, you know, an early second round pick, somewhere in the top 10 to 12 picks of the second round, that you basically say to him, nope, you're coming back and playing for us. You know, until we get a better offer, you're playing for us. And if you don't want to play, you can sit out again.

because he's not going to sit out again. And the Redskins could then threaten to franchise tag him next year. You know, if he said, well, I'll sit out and become a free agent next year. I'd tell him, really, we might franchise tag you next year. Now we're basically ending your career. You know, so you're going to have to make a decision here. You know, if you can't get the contract or we can't get the compensation back, we want you to play for us this year, 12 million, you know, 12.5 million.

And then, you know, sort of maybe you make a commitment to him that you'll, you'll you'll turn them loose next year for whatever the compensatory pick would be. It'd be like a third round compensatory pick. But I think eventually somebody, you know, whether it is before the draft or after the draft, if they don't get what they're looking for, they'll figure out a deal and they'll give the Redskins something that makes sense. It won't be what they could have gotten. You know, it's really interesting, Tommy, this whole Trent Williams thing. The reporting on the compensation that the Redskins could have had, you know, when they should have traded him, you know, has been all over the place.

You know, in the moment, you know, there were reports that Cleveland was willing to offer a first, that Houston was very interested. I know that the Patriots were at least willing to consider offering a first, you know, but then they found out what Trent wanted in terms of a contract extension, and they never got to actually offering it, but they were considering it. It would have, you know, in New England's case, been in very much an end of the first round kind of a pick. And, you know, Kime and Standing and a couple of others have essentially been, you know, have been told, and they've reported that the compensation, The Redskins could have gotten last year wasn't what people think, that it was much less than what people think.

And I've actually had a conversation with John and with Ben. And I've said, look, it's in the Redskins' interest to tell you or to tell people, if that's where you got it, that they weren't offered much for Trent. They don't want to look stupid. You know, they don't want to look like they turned down all of these great deals. But moreover, they never made them available. So you never really knew what you could get because they told people they weren't talking trade. They weren't going to trade trend. That was their position publicly.

Remember John Dorsey of Cleveland said they couldn't get a call returned from Bruce Allen. So until you actually make them available, you really don't know what the value would be. They can tell you that there's not any interest, and it's in their best interest to leak that out. But I know this. Laramie Tunsell was traded from Miami to Houston for two first rounders, two players, and a second round pick. Right? I think that's what it was. It was Tunsell and Kenny Stills for two first rounders, a second round pick, and two players. If you cut that in half because Tunsell's younger than Trent, you still end up with a first at minimum. if not like a first and maybe a fourth or something like that, or a first and a player.

Anybody can do the math and say Houston would have been interested in Trent Williams had the Redskins made him available. And if they were interested in Trent, they could have gotten Trent for half the cost of Tunsell. You know, they could have gotten Trent for one first rounder. So I don't buy that the compensation available for Trent had he been made available wasn't what, you know, we thought. hence, right, the Redskins didn't make a big mistake because there really wasn't a market for Trent Williams. There was a bigger market then because he had two years left on his deal, and you didn't have a draft up coming that's loaded with left tackles. So if they get a first now or if they get a high second, then we'll look back on it and say, you know what, they could have done a little bit better, but, you know, they ended up all right. If they can't get something now for him that matches, you know, at least an early second,

then they effed it up. But anyway, I just think it's been an interesting conversation because I've talked with people, all right, and, you know, they've tried to feed me some of the same stuff. You know, there was no market. No one was interested in Trent. You know, we could have gotten Jadavian Clowney straight up for Trent, but, you know, we would have had to pay Clowny and then lose him after this year. First of all, Jadavian Clowny is a pretty significant offer for Trent Williams.

He's a pretty damn good player defensively. You know, I would have loved to have seen Clowny in a Redskin uniform, but the reason I was against it then is you were going to have to pay him a boatload of money in addition to having him there. But I don't know if you think I'm right or somebody like Conn. and stand in standing right and look I'm not debating or refuting their reporting

I just think I've been told by people yeah we weren't offered anything that you know there were reports about no one was interested in Trent I just I'm not buying it I'm not buying it at all look I agree with you

at this point I was told like somebody with another organization that if they had put Trent Williams on the trading box, there would have been a lot of offers for him, and it would have easily guarded at least one first-round pick. You know, if they had been, even after the medical stuff,

even when he demanded to be traded, you know, I mean, even, you know, if they awaited until then, it still would have guarded them a first-round pick. But, look, you know, you're very kind in your assessment, But this is the problem with the coverage of this team, period, is that what you get is what they want you to know is what they want you to know at Redskins Park if you cover this team. And you need to be sophisticated or good enough to basically say, I don't need to listen to these people. They're lying to me. I need to find my information someplace else.

The bottom line is they told you, and they told, and they said publicly, we're not trading Trent. So you never really, more likely than not, had a sense and got a true sense of what you could have gotten, had you essentially at least inside, you know, on the phones with other teams, maybe not publicly, said, hey, he is on the block, you know, make your best offer. We've got teams interested. I just think they were going to make him pay. They were pissed. They were going to make him live up to his contract. As Les Carpenter wrote, and I'll never forget this line,

his sources told him that Bruce Allen wants to see Trent Williams bleed figuratively, and they're going to make him bleed until he comes in. And the bottom line is if the contract demands from Trent were over the top, I understand how that impacts trade value. I do. You know, if Trent's telling teams, I need 20 million a year, I need 25 million a year, then teams are going to be, fewer teams are going to be interested. You know, but if you would put him up, if he had been available right after the 2018 season, you know, even before, you know, he had that surgery, if he had been available right before the season

started in 2019, you know, and you didn't wait until he had sat for eight, nine weeks before the trade deadline, I think you could have certainly gotten something significant, no less than a second and a third, and I think probably a first, and maybe even a first plus, I think would have been in play for him. But what it is now, who knows? Because Trent only has one year left on his deal, and he wants big money. And part of it is I think he wants to make up some of that money he lost a year ago by sitting out. Yeah, he probably does. Listen, you say if you don't get a high second, maybe a top 10 second round pick, then you hang on to him.

I mean, it seems to me it would be in the Redskins' best interest moving forward to move him. Even if you don't get what you want, you'll get the pick, and you won't have his $12 million salary on the books anymore. So you'll have, once you have more money to spend in free aid, I mean, they've already got their pocket, you know, overflowing with free agency cash. This will just add to it. So even if you don't get the draft pick that you want, you get, let's say you get a third round.

He's off your book. Yeah, but she... And plus, if you're trying to change the culture, as Ron Rivera is trying to do, Tred Williams, whether, I mean, through his action, and I'm not questioning when he plays, how hard he plays. and what a good player he is.

But the Treg Williams' whole scenario is indicative of Redskins' past, and you want Redskins' future. I understand all that, and I understand your position, and you made this clear that you think it would be awkward, et cetera. I don't know how awkward it would be if he played at 12.5 million. The players like them inside that locker room, I don't think it would be a disruption. I think it would be a immediate disruption for the team, potentially.

And I would agree with you. immediate disruption, then it's a disruption. I would agree with you that if I'm Ron Rivera, you know, I'm trying to create a new culture here, and I, you know, he doesn't want to be here, and I'd like to move on from him. With that said, you know, part of moving on and creating a new culture and creating a new chance is not giving away great players, A players, and Trent Williams is an A player, and you really don't have many A players on your roster. You can't give him away for what you would get for him in a compensatory selection.

from now, which, you know, especially when you, by trading him, you're also creating a significant need, you know, immediately. You don't have a left tackle. You know, left tackle now becomes a priority in free agency, a priority potentially in the draft. You know, you've got, and I know they came up with Donald Penn last year, and he played well, played really well, but he's not under contract right now. Look, the top 10 picks or the top 12 picks in the second round include teams that will be interested. The Chargers, the Dolphins, the Cardinals, the Browns. You know, all of those teams are right there.

You know, if you get to Denver, they've got the 46th overall picks. So that's like 14th. That's top half of this second round. I'd consider that. The Jets are at 48. If you start getting there, then I'm taking a second and I'm asking for a fourth on top of it. You know, that's my only point is I'm not giving him away.

I'm not giving him away for what I'll get if he plays for me this year, and I don't have to fill the need this year. year, and he plays for me, by the way, for a really good number. And by the way, should have the incentive to play really well so that he gets a big-time contract next year. I'm not giving him away for nothing. And the reporting so far, and I actually just remembered this, that I read something last night that essentially said the Redskins are not giving him away for a third or a fourth

round pick, that somebody's going to have to come up with something much better than that. And I think they're right on this. He is worth, unless for whatever reason this, You know, the issue with the scalp is still sort of a question mark for teams. But if the medical clears, Trent Williams is a really good player with two to three really good years left. And I know he's missed games because of injuries, and that's got to be factored into it too. And the contract's the biggest factor. What's the team got to play?

Pay them. The more they got to pay them, the less they're going to want to give up in compensation. But that's not the team's issue. The team's issue is we got a player. You decide if you want to pay him. But if you do, this is what we're going to need for it to happen. I would not, you know, as people said Tommy back in the Donovan McNabb days, I would not try to do right by Trent.

You know, the McNabb thing, people just wanted him released. Like, you've already put him through hell. Just release them already. Okay, fine. Well, you would have missed out on Alfred Morris, you know, because that's what you got for the sixth rounder that the Vikings gave you for McNabb. And I'm not giving Trent Williams away. I'm just not going to do it.

I know, but I don't think the difference between a high second and a high third is worth hanging on to him at this point. On the other hand, you do need somebody to protect Phil Rivers' blindside. Yeah. Yes, you do. All right. Here's the thing that I wanted to do with you today. Because Clinton Portis was on with me yesterday at the very end, and I appreciate all the feedback. Clinton was really, really good yesterday. It was a really interesting conversation with Clinton Portis. And he revealed something that I don't think had been revealed before, and that is that he asked for a trade, asked for his release or trade at the end of the 2008 season. I mean, he could not stand Zorn. He was done with Zorn. He was ready to move on. and told Dan and Dan wouldn't trade him, wouldn't release him. But, so two days ago, I talked about this on the podcast,

and then I brought it up with Clinton yesterday. And of course, I have to bring this Aaron up with Tommy as well. And that is the Dwayne Haskins' Instagram post from over the weekend. Did you see it? No, I didn't. Man, usually you're the ones that, you're the one that sees this. So, anyway, Dwayne Haskins, on Instagram, Instagram put out a post with an illustration of him throwing a pass to Stefan Diggs in a Redskins uniform wearing number 14 and said in the Instagram post DMV connection.

And, you know, I saw it. I think on, you know, the day somebody sent it to me. I'm not following him on Instagram. Sorry, I'm not doing it, but people sent it to me and said, what do you think? and so on Monday I talked about what I thought and a lot of people were critical of the way I thought, which is fine. You didn't change my mind. It was very clear on that. My reaction essentially was I didn't like it. You know, I said, number one, you know,

you know, there's some borderline tampering issues here. Number two, I don't think a guy with seven starts with a hell of a lot to prove should be openly recruiting, should be trying to play GM, And more importantly than all of that is that it creates at least the slight impression that the current group that he has of receivers isn't good enough for him. There you go. And I gave the following analogy.

I said, how would Dwayne feel if Terry McLaurin put out an Instagram post showing him McLaren catching a pass from James Winston and saying Tampa to Washington? How would he feel? And people, you know, snap back and said, not the same thing. You know, it's receivers. There are four or five of them on the field, and it's just one quarterback. And I understand it's not directly apples to apples. But anyway, I had Clinton on the show yesterday. And Clinton, in addition to revealing a lot and telling some really good stories about Zorn in particular in that 2008 and 2009 seasons.

I asked him what he thought. And his immediate reaction was he shouldn't do it. And he, Aaron, he brings up the same analogy. And he said, what if one of the Redskin receivers? I think he said McLorn. You know, Instagrammed a picture or an illustration of him catching a pass from, I forget who he mentioned. Did he say Tua or somebody?

I forget who it was that he mentioned. But anyway, I just said, so you would have recommended that he not do this. And Clinton said, yeah, he shouldn't do it. And he said, you know, in part because it's going to get a media reaction, and he doesn't need that. But anyway, I knew you would have a reaction to this, so what is it? Well, this is the same thing that happened to Bryce Harper a couple years ago. In the off-season, the Nationals had just signed a catcher.

One of the first moves the Nationals made in the winter of 2018, after the 2017 season, their offseason was the sign a catcher named Derek Norse. Now, ultimately, he would be finished and would not be a good catcher. But the plan was that Derek Norris was going to be their catcher

moving forward into the 2018 season. So at one point during that season, Bryce Harper tweets out something about J.T. Riamuto, who was a catcher, a free agent catcher, basically saying, we need to bring this guy here.

Well, he had a teammate for six weeks who had that job in Derek Norris, and basically he was saying, I'm sorry, but I want somebody else to play catcher for us. You know, it's a bad form if you're a teammate. It's a terrible look to do something like that. I mean, I'm sure those receivers think that that, know, they're going to win a job, and they're excited about maybe playing with Dwayne. And you would think that Dwayne Haskins would be excited about playing with his receivers,

not the Vikings receivers. Yeah, and now, you know, a lot of people said, look, you don't get it. These younger people, they just want, they love, you know, social media, they love talking about teaming up with other people. Somebody had the gall to call in on Monday and suggest, well, LeBron, Jay, did it? And I said, really? You're going to compare Dwayne to LeBron James? I'll tell you what, after four Pro Bowls, Dwayne can send out one Instagram post recruiting somebody, but not after seven starts. But, you know, the point was others made that, you know, these young receivers,

they probably don't even care. They're probably all in on Stefan Diggs. And they're probably, you know, and somebody pointed out that Dwayne, that Duran Payne and John Allen have been, you know, sort of openly sort of talking about Amari Cooper and maybe a couple of other former Alabama players. And I know this is what players do. But Dwayne's the quarterback. Leadership has been the thing that's been talked about. You know, they want to see him take over that leadership mantle. Joe Gibbs told me that on the radio show two weeks ago.

It's the leadership thing. Everybody's waiting to see. And, you know, after seven starts, you're not the GM. You shouldn't be openly recruiting. You shouldn't be talking about players. coming in that would be, you know, Terry McCoran people think is a number one receiver. Well, we know Stefan Diggs is a number one receiver. So if you're advocating for Diggs, it almost says that, you know, you think McClorn's more

of a number two, you know, or, you know, and I understand, no, it's the more the merrier. Sheehan, you're trying to win, you're trying to win, okay, that's fine. Let the team go get Stefan Diggs then. Like Kyle Smith and Ron Rivera do their job. I just, you're not going to change my mind that after seeing that, it was just, you're just a bit off-putting. And that's coming from somebody, as I've said multiple times this week, that likes Dwayne, that's rooting for Dwayne, that thinks Dwayne can be a really good quarterback.

I'm hoping to be right about that. You know, we all like to be right more than we're wrong, and we're wrong a lot in this forum. I went out on a limb a little bit early on saying, I see something in Dwayne. And that was after not seeing something from Ohio State, but I changed my mind. So I want it to work out for him. But this is the kind of stuff that makes maybe older people, I don't know, but makes some of you, you know, sort of hesitate. You know, it's the, you know, it's all the stuff.

It's the league done messed up. It's the marketing company. It's the, you know, it's the selfies with still a snap left in the game. It's some of those press conferences. It's some of the social media. you know, like just go out, get yourself better, become a really good quarterback, and start winning games and playoff games. And then some of this stuff won't really be red flaggish anymore. You know, we get this a lot, that we don't understand the culture, you know, the culture of the young people.

And we don't particularly understand it. well, just because something is the culture doesn't make it right, you know? I mean, there's all kinds of cultures all around the world with all sorts of age groups. And some of them are right, and some of them just aren't right. And in this case, their culture, his culture, I mean, and I'm talking about young people here, this culture of, you know, what they like to do on social media, that's fine. but now they're entering a culture of teams where, you know, they've got to, and the one guy

who has to bring them all together from all the other cultures is the quarterback. You know, he's the one guy who has to be able to speak to all the cultures on the team. So, I mean, just because young people do this, that doesn't make it right. You know, I mean, this is absurd. It's no sure, well, you don't understand young people. You know, well, maybe I don't.

But you know what? They're not going to be young forever. And then they're going to look back and realize what a dunce I was then. I didn't do anything and look at me. Look what I was doing. And they all get to that point. Almost all of them do. You know?

I'll bet you if you ask Jeff George now, I bet you he'd say leadership isn't overrated. Yeah, maybe. Maybe, although he seemed like a bit of a dummy. Bottom line, I think Dwayne Haskins has a chance to be a really good quarterback. I wish that he would stay away from things like this. I mean, Clinton Portis is older, more mature, and he said yesterday, he would recommend that he not do it, that if he'd come to him and said,

should I do this, he shouldn't do it. And Clinton at this stage in his life has gained that wisdom. But Clinton would have been front and center on Twitter. And so would Joe Thaisman. Yes. Clinton would have been a Twitter star. I mean, he'd be all over the place. Quick word about my bookie.ag.

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going from last to first, you know, going from non-playoffs to playoffs. And it's not really predicated on whether or not you have a good organization or not. You know, bad organizations go to the playoffs. Bad organizations don't have sustained success, but they go to the playoffs every once in a while. So taking away that is a reason, anything is possible in the NFL reason, do you think there's any chance the Redskins could win the NFC East next year? Yeah, I do. Why?

I think there is. Well, I'm going to operate on the assumption that Ron Rivera is smarter than the decision makers who have been there before. And Greg Smith and all the other decision makers in the build, Kyle Smith, is smarter than the decision. I'm going to assume that the building got smarter. Okay. and we're pretty early in the stage for Dan Snyder to basically, you know, screw that up. So if you have smarter decision makers and you have the chance to really dip into the free agent market to bring in some key people, and you've got a decent draft, particularly if you do move Trent Williams

and wind up with a second rounder in terms of what's available to you, In terms of the young defensive players that they had in that front seven last year, I think they have a chance to have a really good defense. I think they probably will bring in people that, you know, they have a lot of needs on offense. They need two tight ends at least, you know, and maybe a left tackle at some point. But the Eagles are iffy. The cowboys are iffy, and the Giants.

They have a new coach. So I think the NFTE is there for the taking for somebody. So do I think they will know? Do I think they could yet? Okay. Well, the answer is, do you think they could? The question, I'm sorry, is do you think they could? I don't think they can.

God, it's funny because I was expecting your answer to be emphatically no. I don't think they can this year, and I'm going to give you two primary reasons. One is that what you spoke about is true. They've had a coaching change, but a coaching change and a culture change are two different things. The Redskins need to undergo a culture change organizationally. And that doesn't take one year. You can have a coaching staff change in a good organization and be like, oh, this staff's much better than the one we just had. We're going to be much better.

And I do think that Ron Rivera obviously is a much better coach than Jay Gras. Rudin and that Jack Del Rio is going to be a much better defensive coordinator than Greg Minoski. And hopefully Ron Rivera's hired a staff that's first rate and much better. But they've got a culture change. This is going to be Ron Rivera, you know, involved in this place, this place that we know that not everybody would want to be a part of. Bruce Allen's gone.

That's a great sign that this could be a new day. But he's still got the owner. He's still got, you know, a lot of. people in the building in a lot of different areas of the building that have understood they've been working in a dysfunctional place for a while. There's a culture change that needs to take place. I think it takes longer than a year. Secondly, and this is just as important, I think, is that even though I believe Dwayne Haskins has a chance to be a good quarterback in this league, it's still a major question mark. So you're not sure about the quarterback and the culture change takes more than a team. year, I don't think that they can win the NFC East. Outside of the typical, if everything

breaks their way and they hit the inside straight, I don't think that they can win the NFC East. Okay. Let's say the coaching change is worth two wins automatically. That puts them a five wins. Let's say a better personnel roster is good for two more wins. That puts them a five wins. That puts them at seven wins. If you're seven and nine in the NFCE, you're within a game or two breaking your way of winding up win in the division. That's how you're going to, this is where you're going to get to. They can win the division. Seven and nine? Seven and nine. If you're, no, if you're seven and nine, then maybe one or two games go your way that shouldn't. Well, the one or two games that go your way that shouldn't, you've already given

via the coaching staff? No, no, no, no. You're winning those automatically because you have better coaches. Better coaches, better personnel equals four wins. I would say that if you think somebody can win a division outside of the typical team hitting the inside straight, you better come up with a way to get to at least nine and seven before you get those two games that also go your way that you could be 11 and 5. Reasonable point. Because you're a reasonable point. You're a reasonable point. You're worked hard to get them to seven and nine. I think they could be an eight and eight team next year. I think they could improve by five games just because they're much better coached.

And maybe a Chase Young makes the defense much better. You know, we've talked a lot about the defensive talent, you know, over the last couple of years. That defensive talent last year wasn't coached well. We know that. It still should have been better than dead last on third down. So let's remember that all those players that we think, a lot of you think are great, John Allen, Duran Payne, Matt Ionitis,

Landon Collins, you know, they were on the field for all of those third downs, or a lot of them, and they sucked on third down, one of the worst teams in recent memory on third downs. A lot of that's coaching and can be changed by coaching, but are they going to all of a sudden be a top five, top 10 defense? I doubt it. I think they will make significant improvement, though, with Ron Rivera and Jack Del Rio. I do.

And maybe the addition of Chase Young, hopefully, would, add to that as well. But I don't see them possibly winning the division unless every single thing broke their way like it does every once in a while for NFL teams. I had two more things for you. Actually, three more things. Did you watch Maryland clinch the Big Ten title? Did you see Turgeon's reaction to it or read about it? Just wanted to see what your reaction was. And what were your thoughts? I'm fine with it. He should be, he should express kind of emotion. I think it was great.

I mean, I think, I mean, he is, he followed Gary Williams. And we still kind of forget that. You know, and there's a segment of the fan base that you deal with all the time that just doesn't seem to want the guy to succeed, you know, or whatever the guy does isn't good enough for him. So I was happy for him. I think it was a great way to go into the March madness.

I mean, a conference tournament, like you said, they don't mean anything. And, you know, he might as well celebrate now because if my scenario turns out to be true, there won't be any NCAA tournament games to celebrate about. He may look good celebrating and cutting down the nets. It may be the last opportunity to do it. I'm fine with it. The other thing, he's got to do. he's got to get to the second weekend minimum,

or people will completely discard the Big Ten regular season title. It's got to get to the second weekend next week. If there is a second weekend. The other thing, too, you know, it's conference championship weekend, and I don't, Erin, I don't know how you feel. You haven't been invested in it as long as I have because I grew up with the ACC tournament being very important. You know, really on the overall sports landscape, the ACC tournament was a big deal.

You know, the ACC tournament was one of the toughest tickets in sports, in all of sports for a long period of time. And it was something that I grew up with every year. It was a big weekend in many ways winning the ACC tournament was like almost better than winning the NCAA tournament. You know, a lot of Maryland fans, that 2004 went over Duke to win the ACC tournament. was for some people even better than beating Indiana two years earlier in the national championship game. But now, and it's primarily, the reason is primarily because of conference reshuffling, and it just doesn't feel the same. If you're a Big East fan and you grew up with the Big East, you know,

in those great Big East tournament games in the garden, and the ACC tournament like I did with the ACC tournament meaning so much. And remember for years, the ACC tournament was the only league in the country that had a conference tournament. And it was their way of determining who went on to the NCAA tournament. And then every league followed the ACC and their conference tournament. And this week became a really big week in sports, you know, on the sports calendar. I don't feel like it is anymore. I know that these games get rated pretty well, but not great, not like they used to.

I don't know if you're a Maryland fan, how you get up for the Big Ten tournament, if you're a Syracuse fan, how you don't miss the Big East tournament. Look at the ACC with Louisville and Syracuse and Pitt and Yukon's somewhere else. I mean, the Big East tournament, how many teams are in the Big East now? Ten? Is it 10 in the Big East? And you got Creighton as the number one seed? I just don't feel it for this conference championship weekend. I'm going to be watching certainly Maryland in the Big Ten tournament.

I'm going to be rooting for them to play well. I'd love to see a matchup with Michigan State on Saturday, but it just doesn't mean as much anymore. I think that's actually the sentiment of a lot of sports fans that used to feel this way, but I'm not going to speak for everybody. We took calls, and a lot of people agreed with me this morning. But you know what this used to be, you know, on the sports calendar. It's different now, isn't it?

Yes, it's much different. here's how to digest the tournament. If your team wins the tournament championship, it's a big deal. If they don't, it doesn't mean anything. Yeah, if they win a Big Ten tournament, I'll be excited. You know, I'll be happy for them. But if you told me right now, they lose on Friday night to Penn State, but they get to the Sweet 16 minimum, I'll take that right now, obviously.

Like, it's not even comparable. And I don't even know if it was comparable in years past, but still the excitement level for the Big East tournament or the ACC tournament was real. And I don't think it's the same thing anymore. I used to know dudes that would be headed to Greensboro right now or headed to New York. You know, one of the two. We're going to be up at the Guard and we're going to be up for the Big East Tournament. We're going to Greensboro.

We're going to the ACC tournament. I don't know nearly as many people that are making plans to go to these things anymore. And I'm not talking about, and it's not because of coronavirus, although that should be a reason. But anyway, two more quick things. XFL ratings way down. I mean, they are tanking. Did you guys see this? The XFL's barely drawing flies now on television.

The college basketball, the NBA, you know, beat it all weekend long. I think it's the third straight weekend or second straight weekend it's beaten it. I mean, I can only imagine that during March Madness, if it doesn't get cancer, that these numbers are going to be down to next to nothing. I mean, they are way off from that week one curiosity factor, which isn't surprising necessarily. But you would have thought before the tournament started, they would have kept the ratings up, but they're way off. And then here's one last thing before we go for the day.

Ian Rappaport tweeted this out yesterday that Robert Griffin III has been a name discussed in trade talks. this off season. And he's got a year left on his deal in Baltimore, two and a half million bucks. It's all base salary. So the Ravens could trade them without any sort of salary cap implication. They could cut them and not owe them anything because it's all base salary. It's not a guaranteed contract.

Griffin's been Lamar Jackson's backup. I think most of you know for the last now two seasons, right? Two seasons of Baltimore. If Rappaport is correct and Griffin's name has been bandied about as a trade possibility, I would suggest to both of you that it's not because a team wants him to come in and back somebody up. That if somebody's considering trading for Robert Griffin III, it's because they want him to start or they want him to compete for the starting job. and I started thinking about teams that sort of play the style that Griffin's been playing as a backup and even, you know, he's gotten into some games, and whether or not those teams, you know, have needs

or whether or not they have, you know, sort of coaches that may move to that sort of style. And I would suggest that if Tennessee somehow loses Tannahill and doesn't get Brady, that Tennessee is a possibility, that Jacksonville, depending on their situation at quarterback could be a possibility. I don't think Denver is a possibility right now. They have Drew Locke. I think they're going to go with Drew Locke.

And I had one other one. What was the other one? Denver is never going to be a possibility. I mean, you know who John Elway. I know. I understand that. Okay. The other one I had was Carolina with Matt Ruhl.

You know, if Cam isn't the guy, and they let Cam go. Now, they did sign Kyle Allen. Did you see they signed Kyle Allen, who was a restricted free agent to a one-year deal? They played a lot of Kyle Allen last year. But Carolina, with college coach Matt Rule taking over at Carolina with a guy like McCaffrey, I could see potentially, and by the way, a Baylor coach, former Baylor coach, I could see potentially Carolina being interested.

Now, Matt Rule didn't have anything to do with the RG3 era. he replaced the coach that coached Baylor, whose name escapes me right now, the guy that was Arp. Yeah, Arp Ryles. But still, that to me makes a little bit of sense as a team that could potentially be interested. But if somebody's trading for Griffin, it's for a chance to start. So maybe, maybe.

I don't think anyone's trading for Griffin. I think this is just a plant. I mean, I tend to I tend to not to take anything about RG3 seriously and I don't think any team is going to go out of their way to acquire this guy

You know? He's going to come with a good reference John Harbaugh likes him I know, but you know Did you ever read the book by Mike Lombardi? I did not. Grid Iron Genius.

Apparently it's pretty good. Had somebody shared this with me and you know, maybe RG3 has underd of transformation, and he's changed. It's possible. But this sort of reminds everybody of the essence of who he was. This is in the book, Grid Iron Genius, and I'm going to quote it.

And this is from a few years ago, obviously. A recent very high draft pick was dinged by his college teammates. Check that. They flat out hated him. They refused to attend his private workouts, for heaven's sake. But the team that drafted him chose to ignore all that. And today, most of the teammates he's had

feel exactly the same way his college teammates had. His college teammates did. Trust me, injuries are not the only reason Robert Griffin III has had such a hard time finding a job. Well, we know that. That's not a revelation.

They hated him. Oh, well, his teammates in Washington couldn't stand him. And our teammates wouldn't even show up into his private workout. I didn't know that part. I did not know that. I mean, remember what Mike told us. Mike told us there are two big concerns.

Number one is that he knew that he wasn't ready to be a drop-back quarterback, and he was going to have to totally invent and create a new system to get him on the field, and Dan and Bruce had to be comfortable with that. These are the things he told us that particular day in 2015. on that interview about what he told Dan and Bruce. Number one, he's not right. He's not a drop-back quarterback. It's going to take some time for him to develop into one,

and we're going to have to put a lot of what he did in college out on the field in the NFL to get him on the field. Number two, remember this, Tommy? He said, I wasn't sure whether or not he could handle adversity. He had never faced it. And the only time that I, you know, in an interview with him, I brought up something negative about one of his performances. He had thrown a couple of picks in a game.

I think it was against Texas Tech or Oklahoma State. And he threw Art Brials under the bus. He and his father were both in the room, and they quickly threw Art Bryles under the bus for that particular game and said it was a poorly called game from the sideline. And he said, that was a bit of a red flag for me, and I shared that with Dan and Bruce. And I said, you know, what this kid hasn't faced at any point is adversity.

and I don't know that he'll handle it very well if he faces it because he turned on his head coach right in front of us as we watched the tape of that game and he said those were his two big concerns and we know that nobody liked him even the players that said they liked him behind the scenes they were saying they liked them publicly

because that's what the owner wanted to hear but behind the scenes I mean, we heard all the horror stories. You know, him going into the wait room and the music that was playing, he would turn it off and turn his own music on and walking around in the building with headphones

on and not acknowledging people. He was very immature. Very immature. But what we've heard from Harbaugh over the last two years, and I trust Harbaugh, we've heard a guy described as something that may have matured,

a guy that's matured and become different. Kevin, he's a backup quarterback. How much strutton is he going to do as the backup quarterback? And if he were, but Tommy, if he were really hated and if he were really a disruption, would he be there? Why would he be there? You're right. You're right about that. I just doubt that anyone's trying to trade for this guy. Well, he did.

I don't think John Harbaugh would have him on the roster if he was the disruption and the pain in the ass that he was in Washington. He did tweet out though today. People who say you can't or you won't are usually the ones afraid that you will. So just remember that, Mr. You Can't and You Won't. Yeah, I'll remember that. You have a choice, he tweeted out yesterday. You can throw in the towel or you can use it to wipe the sweat off your face, Tommy. Oh my God.

I haven't gone on to his Twitter account in a while. but he really is a piece of work on Twitter. He really is. He really is. I'll tell you one thing. He definitely has a career in sales or as a preacher. One or the other. Because he can sling it, man. He certainly can on social media.

And he's a hell of an interview. There's no doubt about that, too. All right. We're done for the day unless you have anything else. No, boss. I'm going back to my cave. All right. do that. I am going to be tonight at Tommy Joe's DC Coaches podcast. I'll be sitting in with the legend Gary Williams and with Chris Nocky as well, a legend in his own right. We'll be at Tommy Joe's 7 o'clock taping the DC Coaches podcast. You're invited to come out and join us. It should be a

good time. Tommy, see you. Aaron, I'll see you tomorrow. And for all of you, have a great day. And and keep those hands washed.