The Kevin Sheehan Show - Mayhew's QB Clue

Episode Date: April 17, 2021

Kevin and Thom started the show with quick thoughts on the Nats' walk-off win over Arizona and the Wizards' OT win over New Orleans. They did a segment on the new Washington Football Team name search, another on Snyder vs Allen, and then finished up the show with a clue from WFT GM Martin Mayhew about the type of QB they might be interested in drafting.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. All right, a special Saturday podcast. Not that special, but a Saturday podcast. Well, it's always special when I get to do it with my good, long-time friend, Tom Levero.

And I was just thinking as we start to record this, you know, you, I don't think you've done a Saturday podcast with me. What do you usually do on the weekends? What does Tom Leverro do on this beautiful Saturday afternoon like this one? Well, you know, I'm in the life of leisure right now. So Saturday is Monday, Sunday is Tuesday. It really doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me. You know, it's the same day. That's really, I've not ever experienced that.

Well, I guess when you're on vacation, you experience that. If you're on a long vacation, and I'm talking about pre-retirement, and you're not retired, but would you describe yourself as semi-retired? Yes, I would. Okay. That's how I would describe myself. I'm semi-retire. I'm not working full-time, certainly, and the work that I do, I can do from any retirement home I'm put into.

Don't say retirement home. You're years away from the home. retirement community or retirement town would be something that may well Frederick is not a retirement town but you love Florida when are you going to be in Florida full time that's going to happen soon that's not going to happen I'm not giving my money to those assholes down there oh my God full time no way oh so you'll only give it to them part time yes okay so you're only I'm not I'm not paying I'm not paying you know I'm not paying I'm not paying

property taxes to that state. All right. So you're only half a hypocrite. Yes. Okay, good. Just checking. It is a beautiful day today. So I was, because we're a little bit late starting this morning, and it's my issue.

I had stuff to do this morning. Sleeping in is not an option for me. God, I try. I try to sleep in. Oh, man. Do you know what sleeping in is for me? What? Like 545?

Oh, geez. Six. I feel so sorry for people like you because I can still, I can get up at six or seven, okay, and then go back to sleep and wake up at like nine or ten. And it's that back to sleep, that last section of sleep, that's the deepest and the best. I totally agree with you. And I actually can do that. I'm not doing that this morning, and I didn't do that this morning.

but I have done that on occasion where I will get up at my normal time, which my normal time is sometime between 4 and 445. It all depends on how prepared I am for the radio show. If I'm not prepared at all, I get up at 4.4. And if I'm pretty much mostly prepared, I get up at like 4.45, you know, for a 6 a.m. show start. if I get up at that time or maybe sleep in like I described till 545, I have done on the weekends many times at like 8.30, gone back to sleep for like two hours and woken up and that feels like

a real sleep. Yeah, that really is. It's the last one. It's the best one. I mean, so I do that a lot when I don't have an early morning commitment. Yeah. You know the the commercials or they progressive commercials with the guy. God, he's an actor and he's so good, you know, you know, where he's, where you get people saying, does that, is that the same thing as a hashtag? And he says the way, you know, it's the one where he says, the waiter does not need to know your name.

You've seen the ad that's talking about, right? Oh, yeah. That guy, absolutely. What's that guy's name again? I don't know what his name is. I don't know, but I love those commercials. I love the one where he, well, for one thing, that what he did, you know, the guy getting up from his chair and he says, and then he says, everybody, did you hear that? That's spot on.

It's so good. That series of commercials is so good. Well, one of them is when he says, nobody cares what time you had to get up this morning or something. I might be paraphrasing. So as I was just- Or the waitress doesn't want to know your name. Yeah, the waitress does not need to know your name. Yeah.

And then the guy that says, is that the same thing as hashtagging? And he just gives that look like, oh, Jesus. So that's what reminded me when I was talking about how early I get up. Nobody, trust me, I do realize nobody cares. Anyway, it was a way to describe the second sleep, which I agree with you on. Hey, there's a few things I want to get to, but doing a podcast, morning we can talk about two incredible games last night with two local teams. First of all, Kyle Schwerber's walk off last night in the bottom of the ninth.

Game winner! See you later! I literally turned it to Masson just as that pitch was fired, and oh my God, did he get a hold of that one? 4363 feet. He's got a lot of power. He's got Adam Dunn kind of power. Really does. I mean, Adam Dunn used to strike out all the time, and he was a liability on the field,

but boy, he could hit some big home runs. And Schwerber has that kind of power. The Nats generated just five hits in a game that was nothing, nothing going into the bottom of the ninth. Scherzer was outstanding. Soto last night, 0 for three from the two hole. Oh, he was hitting second. He was hitting second last night. Oh, he hit second the night before and the night before that. Wow. So what's the big deal? I have no idea. I just am surprised that he was hitting second. You know, I already, in our podcast where we discussed this, I already went back and said, I apologize. I was wrong about it. You did?

If you remember that, yes. I remember, said, I found some stuff on it online. It wasn't much. But I said, you're right. They did talk about it. If you go back to that podcast, I backtracked near the end and said, okay, you're right. They did talk about it. How nice am I right now just to just to take Tommy at his word, to take Tommy at his word?

Here's what you are. You're petty for bringing it up. Oh, my God. You said to me when we didn't do a show. on Thursday, you said, oh, that's too bad because did you see where Soto hit last night? I said, of course I did. People were tweeting me saying, oh, my God, Soto's hitting second. You were expecting it, and you said to me on the phone that day, you said, well, I was going to take my lumps. I was going to admit that I was wrong. So you must have gone back.

A couple of days ago. You must have gone. A couple of days ago. Oh, so a couple of days later, you remembered what you said on Tuesday show at the very end. You acknowledged you were wrong. Yes, I did. And apologized. Yes, I did. But you're petty enough to keep bringing it up. I'm not going to bring it up even one more time in this show. If you, if you apologize to me, I hope I accepted the apology. I don't remember it, but I hope I accepted it. And if I didn't accept it, I accept it now.

You know, I should have been more careful because the last time the cicadas came out, 17 years ago. Yeah. Yeah, I was wrong then, too. Yeah. About something. I don't know. I think there are a couple of other instances where you may have been wrong between 2004 in 2021. You know, you have to admit, when I'm wrong, I am loud wrong.

Always. I am non-wavering wrong. I am, you're an idiot for disagreeing with me wrong. And you, by the way, I would probably suggest to you that when you are wrong, you're usually wrong in a conversation. with me. Anyway. Well, actually, no. Okay.

The biggest one that I can recall was I put in the paper and said on 106-7 the fan, after the caps lost game one of the Stanley Cup finals to Las Vegas, to Vegas, I said stick a fork in them. They're done. Series over. That's different from the other day. That's a prediction. Yeah, but that was. You were loud.

You've been loud wrong. a lot of predictions as I have that was that that to me is the worst I mean I didn't leave any room margin for it didn't seem like a prediction the way I said it yeah well you I mean there are a lot of things that I can think of that you were loud wrong on but I'm not going to be petty you've been petty enough so that's okay the the the cicadas are coming you know that right and apparently it's going to be loud and annoying because this is ground zero, the Mid-Atlantic and the D.C. area in particular. There was a huge story, like one of these major fold-out stories in the post, I don't know, two weeks ago on this Brudex thing.

You know the funny thing, Tommy, about the cicadas? I don't remember 2004, but apparently it was really bad in 2004. Well, you see, I don't have a biggest state like you do, so it doesn't really impact me that much. You know, I don't have a, you know, a, you know, a, you know, acres of property and things like that. Right. So I'm not that worried about it. But do you remember 2004, which apparently was a massive cicada year in our area? I don't remember it being that big of a deal.

I remember them being out. I don't remember it being a hindrance to my lifestyle in any way, shape, or form. I think I read that basically the soil has to hit like 65 degrees or something like that. It wouldn't be 75 degrees soil. It would be something in the 60s, I think. I think it has to hit something like 65 degrees, and that's when they come out, and that is probably late this month, although, God, it was chilly here yesterday, and it's going to be chilly again this week.

We're going to have a couple of nights this week, mid to late week, upcoming week, where we're going to have temperatures in the upper 30s again. It was 36 degrees this morning. Yeah. But do you know that... Speaking of soil. What? Do you ever put your hands in the soil?

Do you ever get down and dirty? You ever do some gardening or some farming or anything like that? Just last weekend, last Saturday morning, I was out spreading grass seed all over my lawn. That would qualify as working my land a little bit. Okay. But, no, we do have a landscaping company that does much of that. Uh-huh. Carol likes to get out and do some of that every once in a while.

I'm definitely not a gardener. If you're asking me about gardening, no. But I did, she needed, she's like, we need to get grass seed out now. And so I went out early in the morning and spent an hour, you know, and I didn't have a spreader. You know, I was doing it by hand, just carrying a bat, taking a big shovel and putting it into the bag and spreading it out that way. But what I was going to say about the cicadas, do you know that it literally, it's going to be billions of cicadas. will emerge from the ground. Billions of them.

And they're totally harmless. And I don't remember, honestly, in my lifetime, them ever being truly annoying. But people are reminiscing about 2004 saying how loud it was and how people had to go outside with an umbrella. I don't remember that. I'm not denying it. But I have read accounts of people describing it like some kind of horror movement.

I don't recall anything like that. I don't either. And I'm wondering if maybe it's just because the neighborhood I was living in at the time just wasn't a big cicada neighborhood. That's possible, I guess. It is a weird kind of a thing. It's a marvel, right? Every 17 years they know, just weird, the whole thing. But anyway, whatever.

Good win for the Nats. What a shot by Shorber? Well, that's what I wanted to talk. to talk about next. I did watch, I didn't watch the whole game. I watched a lot of the fourth quarter in the overtime. I forget whether or not we talked about this. I loved Gaffert in college and he's really turning out to be a find. And, you know, it's funny because when they trade, it made that trade, I said, you know, look at his per 36 minute numbers. They're so good. Why is he only playing eight, nine, ten minutes a night for the Bulls? There must be something, you know, that's not

right with him. Well, look at what's happening here. I mean, this is a, this is going to be one of the, this could work out to be one of the best trades the Wizards have ever made. Gafford Tommy was just an incredible talent at Arkansas. He was so much fun to watch. He was so athletic. And you could see, like, this guy's going to be an NBA player. He's going to be a defensive stopper. He's going to be a guy that you just lob to. He's not only got ridiculous hops. He's got super. long arms at 610, 611. And this guy has come in here, and he has been amazing. He had four block shots last night.

He was a total rim protector at the end of regulation and in overtime against Zion Williamson, had 18 points in 26 minutes on 7 of 11. He's shooting 60% from the floor for this team. He's now, you know, and his minutes are still in like the 15 to 16 minute range. he played 26 the most since the trade last night, you know, because they're really playing three centers. They're playing Lopez. They're playing Len and they're playing Gafford. Gafford is a real talent. I mean, this could be one of the best trades in Wizards history. They did not have. Stop saying that. What? I mean, stop saying the one of the best trades in Wizards history.

I mean, they traded for Elvin Hayes. They traded for Bob Dandrich. Well, first of all, They traded for Alvin Hayes. That was a Baltimore bullet trade. They traded for Bobby Dandridge. Actually, wasn't Bobby Dandridge just a free agent signing? They didn't have free agents then. They did. It was some sort of limited free agency.

You might be right about this. I'm going to look it up real quickly to see how he got to the bullets. For whatever reason, I thought they just signed him. I didn't, but you're probably right. It was probably part of some sort of trade. Well, the other thing with Gafford, I mean, as much as you liked him in college, aren't you concerned that he's a guy that, you know, the more you expose, the less talent you see? No, the talent's not the issue.

There must be something else that is an issue as to why the Bulls didn't like them and didn't give him a lot of minutes. the talent was unmistakable, but he ended up going in the second round. I mean, when he was a projected first rounder, like he was one of those guys, I remember before that draft, I was like, this guy is really interesting. Like, he's going to play in the NBA. And he ended up going in the second round, and he didn't get a lot of run in Chicago.

You know, it was also a weird year, obviously, last year in the bubble. But he's really, really gifted. I mean, he's the perfect sort of center for this game. You know, he's super athletic, he's super long, he's a rim protector. He's not a stretch center. He's the, you know, he's the DeAndre Jordan kind of center, not the same build. But he's the guy that pick, roll, roll to the rim, lob it, dunk it. He's the guy goes to the offensive glass, takes a miss, and just rams at home.

I mean, that's why he's got a high, you know, field ground. percentage. But what he really is, is with his length and his athleticism, he's the first real rim-protecting center they've had for a while. I mean, he had massive defensive block shots at the end of regulation and in overtime. I'm trying to find what if Dandridge was traded for. No, free agency, here it is. I was right. Yeah, free agency was different in that area. Teams were able to sign free agents, but free agents weren't exactly free. Players were free to sign with another team, but the team they left was in position to talk to that team that acquired the new player, and they had to arrive at some sort of compensation. If teams were unable to arrive

at a compensation, then it would go to a commissioner, and the commissioner would decide. Poland called Bucks owner Jim Fitzgerald, and they agreed on the phone to the deal, which would bring Dandrich to the bullets as a free agent. Fitzgerald called Abe on the phone and said he had another better deal for Dandrich, but he said he was an honorable guy. Abe is an honorable guy, and he would keep the deal because of his respect for Abe. That's the way the business was done among certain owners in the NBA. What was the compensation? Successfully signing Dandritch as a free agent at giving Milwaukee the proper.

I guess they just paid for him. There were no players. Okay, so that leaves. Kevin Porter. Hayes was a Baltimore bullet. Kevin Porter for Dave Bing. Huh? Kevin Porter for Dave Bing?

Yeah. I mean, I loved Kevin Porter. Strickland for... Obviously, the Wizards are getting a lot of energy with this guy in the lineup. Actually, the trade that brought Antoine Jameson here for Devin Harris and Stackhouse, fifth pick in Stackhouse was a great, great trade.

Actually, Ernie was really good at trades. I'm just saying in terms of Tommy Shepard in recent years to pick up something like that for essentially nothing because Troy Brown Jr. certainly didn't show anything in his first couple of years. And I loved Mo Wagner, but I guess Wagner was part of the deal and ended up in Boston, I guess is part of that deal. But this guys are real talent. I didn't know anything about Hutchinson, the other guy that they traded for. but the but the but the but Gafford if you were a college basketball fan i mean he was a highlight reel at Arkansas and so you knew Gafford if you were a college basketball fan just because

some of the more hellacious dunks you've ever seen he really was outstanding last night but let me just mention this because i know we've talked about this about you know was the wall for westbrook trade when westbrook was you know looking awful look I remember saying I'd probably go back and take wall back and hope he gets healthy at this point because I think Westbrook's probably done. Westbrook's been awesome at times here recently. And last night was one of those nights. He took the game over offensively, took the game over on offense.

36 points. He's had some really good shooting nights. You know the Wizards were four for 27 last night from behind the arc. And three of the made threes were his. and then he made the free throw, and he's had issues with free throws on a lot of nights. He missed four last night. He got fouled by Zion, by the way. I thought that was a terrible call.

Did you see it, or have you seen the highlight of the... No, have I seen it. Sorry. Joking? I thought maybe you could have seen a highlight. I'd rather go out and watch the cicadas come up. Well, you might have to wait for the soil to warm up. Stick your hand in the soil when this shows over and tell me what the temperature is.

You know, it's hard to believe that them being so good, they've only won 22 games. Well, they've now won five of six. And if the season ended today, they would be tied for that last playoff spot. Oh, my God. So they might actually be in that playing. They might make the playoffs. That's so wizard. I'm serious.

They might. We made the playoffs just when fans are allowed back. Tommy, you know what? I'm thinking about doing this week. Going to the Golden State game. Golden States in town this week. I'm thinking about going to that game on Wednesday night. I think it's 2,100 fans they let in.

I think I could probably figure out a way to get in to that game. To see Steph Curry. By the way, let me just tell you real quickly. The Wizards play the awful Pistons tonight, and the line is three and a half, four. I'm just telling you right now the Wizards are probably going to to lose to the Pistons tonight. That line reeks. The Wizards are hot. The Pistons are terrible. They're even worse than the Wizards. I don't know how many games in a row they lost, although I think they won last night against the Thunder. But that line is super, super short,

and the public will be betting Washington. So I'll have the Pistons tonight plus like three and a half or plus four. What I was just going to say to you is the call at the end of the game, the foul on Zion at the end of overtime was such a terrible call. They challenged it. New Orleans challenged it, and they upheld the call, which I guess there was like he barely made, and had one tip of his finger touch Westbrook. I wasn't sure Westbrook would make the free throw.

He made the first one, and then he tried to miss the second one, which was 100% the right thing to do, and somehow it went in. He hit 36 points last night. He had 15 rebounds. He had nine assists. This guy is, he's, entertaining to watch. But now he is the reason they are winning. He's a big reason as to why they've

won five of six games. But of all things this team needs to do, win is not what they need to do. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. I watched last night, I've been watching a little bit more. They were on the West Coast. I didn't see some of those real late night West Coast games. because Tommy, I have to get up really early. I didn't know that. But Westbrook was sensational last night, and he really has been for, you know, a month plus. I mean, he had a couple of those weird games. And remember that one night where he was like one for six from the free throw line and, you know,

had like nine turnovers or whatever, something like that. But he's been. Well, you know, they've got a chance once the regular season gets back to normal. maybe they've got a chance to climb up into that Wizards 40 to 45 win limbo that they know so well. Well, here's what they're not. They're not terrible right now. The game last night... They're not playing terrible.

The game last night was really hard to watch at times, both teams in terms of just their lack of any plan offensively. It's all, I mean, God bless, you know, Scott. He's such a good guy, and I know the players love him. The Wizards ran a couple of sets in overtime, but really what they do is Bradley Beale had a couple of bad turnovers. He was 0 for nine from behind the arc last night, but both teams just had some of the worst possessions in regulation in overtime. But, hey, you know, they are sitting there and they really don't have a chance. There are too many games back of like getting out of the 7 through 10 possibility, but they are definitely, right in the mix now to be in that little play-in tournament, you know, for the postseason,

where they play 7, 8, 9, and 10 seeds. 10 plays 9. The winner of that game plays the winner of the 7-8 game. The winner of the 7-8 game automatically becomes the 7. The loser of the 7-8 game then only has to win the next game to become the 8. If you're the 10 or the 9, you've got to win two in a row, if that makes sense. I know you probably didn't follow it. We got some things to talk about,

including the Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder, latest. What about the name? We can talk about the name. We can definitely do that. A lot of talk about the name this week. Ron Rivera and Martin Mayhew held a little press conference yesterday. They were asked about the quarterback. Very early this morning, because I get up really early.

I was watching Ed Wurder. Ed Wurter said something very interesting about Deshawn Watson. I'll mention that. And a lot more right after this word from one of our sponsors. We were just reminiscing about Wizards trade history. And I was mentioning to Tommy that I hated the Rashid Wallace for Rod Strickland trade because I was a big Rashid Wallace fan. But I really did like Rod Strickland as a player.

I thought he was a really good point guard. And he ended up being very... I loved him. as a player. And he ended up being instrumental in that year that they got to the postseason with, you know, with Weber and Howard and lost the Bulls and three, the series, the famous series where Jordan basically anointed the bullets at the end of that series as like the next team on, you know, that was going to rise to like championship level. They had a lot of talent. And of course, you reminded me, Ben Wallace was on that team. Rashid was not. Rashid was traded. You know, that was

the Strickland for, for Sheed trade. And as much as I love Strickland, I remember, just having this feeling back then. You don't trade a talented young, big guy for a veteran, you know, small guy. But, you know, maybe they wouldn't have been as good. I always loved Rashid Wallace. I thought he had a really good NBA career and would have been a phenomenal player for them. And obviously, Weber didn't last much longer in Washington. But yeah, I mean, think about the players they had. I mean, Ben Wallace obviously went on, you know, and was a champion in Detroit, you know, with with Rashid Wallace. I mean, there were a lot of good players that came through Washington.

But Ben Wallace, unlike Rashid, who was drafted, I think, fourth overall. Ben Wallace was not drafted if my memory serves me correctly. I don't think he was a drafted player. Am I right about that? I don't know if he was or not, but he was a find. That's for sure. I mean, nobody had really heard much about him. He didn't play much his first year.

Ben Wallace was not drafted. He was signed by the Wizards after, you know, for that 96-97 season. That was his rookie year. He, you know, he didn't play much. Three years in Washington, and it was that final year where he really started to emerge, you know, into... He went to Virginia Union. Yeah, Virginia Union. All right.

Tell me what's on your mind as it relates to this Washington football name. survey thing. I mean, I'm kind of curious about what they're really doing behind the scenes with this thing. But what's interesting is last weekend we had my sister-in-law and her husband visiting with us, and my sister-in-law could care less about sports. And one of the first question she asked me when we were talking was, so what do you think the new name of the team will be? Right. I mean, she could care less about football. But the name thing is still resonating, you know, as an issue. Without a name, people with Washington football team still reminds everybody what their name used to be.

And until they come up with a real name, it's always going to remind people this is what their name used to be. You know, so they need to come up with a name. And, I mean, it's hard to believe that they don't have one at this point. point, isn't it? I don't know. I mean, if you, you know, I had somebody on the radio show at one point who said this can be sometimes an 18 to 24 month process, you know, and there's a lot involved in it. I know that, you know, I talked to people out there last summer who said, there's no way, you know, once the Warriors, which I think was the one that they were planning on, and once there was an issue with the mark because they didn't renew it or whatever it was, you know, typical Washington organization,

They knew it was going to be a while. And then changing everything, like one of the things they did that I'm going to call somebody on this, why did they in the midst of a pandemic spend apparently seven, you know, maybe into the couple of seven figures, you know, two, three million bucks to swap everything that was identified with Redskins in the stadium and replace it with Washington football team? Why did they do that when they knew there was a pretty decent? chance and then they definitely knew by the time we got to late August, September, that no one was going to be in that stadium watching a game this year. Because one of the things I was told,

like at the end of August last year is it's really expensive. Like, you know, this is costly to do this. And so they're, they're going to make sure that, you know, maybe they get a year or two out of the, you know, the money they just invested into football team. But why did they do that? Maybe they didn't want the TV cameras focusing on Washington. Okay, so you could have stripped the Redskins stuff. You didn't have to put in WFT or Washington football team. That's true. You could have just taken down and got rid of everything that was there.

That's a good point. Well, I don't know if it's a good point or not. It's a curiosity of mine as to why they felt like they needed swap everything out in the areas in which the public wasn't going to be there. I mean, for those that aren't familiar with this story, let me just catch everybody up to speed. Jason Wright, the team's new president, sent out on behalf of the organization, a letter with a list of names that were being surveyed, the team was surveying on. And these things went out, I think, to a group of people, I'm assuming mostly season ticket holders, although I don't know the answer to that definitively, but I think it's season ticket holders. and they were asked to pick their two favorites.

And each list had like a different group of names. Not everybody got the same list. I did, you know, and look, I think this guy's bright. I think he, you know, I think he's actually a terrific communicator. But my God, when he writes or when he's, it's straight out of the McKinsey high-end elite, you know, consultant, you know, business buzzword dictionary. It's like I was, where he comes from. I was reading the letter that he wrote.

And it's like, you know, this is an iterative process. We've got stakeholder interviews, large-scale surveys, qualitative, quantitative, synergy. It was one business buzzword after another. I can only imagine, no disrespect intended. Half the people probably just went to the list and said, what do I do here? but they were asked to pick two of their favorite names, and the names that were on these lists, I mean...

Were ridiculous. Well, some of them we know about, you know, warriors, Red Wolves has been talked about, Red Tails. Tommy, I'll ask you this. One of the curiosities I had was that I had a lot of people sending me these things, because I'm not a season ticket holder. I'm not a sponsor or whatever. I didn't get anything in the mail, but I had several friends that got this stuff in the mail.

For whatever reason, they got it in the mail. And they all had different lists. But each one of these lists had one of the names, only one of the names that have been talked about. None of the lists had more than one that's been talked about, meaning on one list, red tails. On another list, Red Wolves, and on another list, Warriors. And then they had football team and football club. separated as well. Like they didn't have all,

they didn't have the, I don't know, for the lack of a better description, the leading contenders, or at least the perceived leading contenders, on the same list. They had them in a different list. They broke it up.

I don't know what the purpose of that was, but I bet it was strategic in some way. Because I think what, and by the way, there's no explanation on what the process is, I don't think. I mean, other than to say,

you know, they want, he had previously said they want the name in place for the 2022 season. But what's the process? You know, because in reading that letter, he was like, you know, we're brainstorming. It's a small selection. It's a broader pool. It's qualitative.

It's quantitative. We've got focus groups, stakeholder interviews, large-scale surveys. I don't even know what, I mean, I know what a focus group is. But after that, it's just, it's a lot of, you know, business mumbo-jumbo. Just tell us. We put out a survey, we're going to narrow it down to four names, and we're going to take a vote. Or we're going to narrow it down to five or narrow it down to three based on the survey, and then we're going to make the decision. Just give us something really simple.

Step one survey. Step two narrowed down to three names. Step three, with those three names, there's going to be some sort of fan vote or there's going to be a decision made by the owners of this team or the owners in the front office of this team. in consultation with the league or something. I don't know. Do you have a sense of what the process is here? No, I have no sense. Other than it seems like at this point,

I don't think they're using the material they get from something like this for any meaningful selection process. I agree with you. I think they're just getting some attention, you know, keeping the organization out there, and I don't blame them. It's not a bad idea. you know there's a group of the fan base that is eating this up you know i mean they're they're they're

can't get enough about the name and what it's going to be so i understand the problem but i don't think there's anything they're they're doing right now that is seriously involved in the process of picking the name none of this stuff at least i think this is all ornamentation it's it's all just complete show i completely agree with that you I think they've got I think they have an idea of what it's going to be and if they don't have a definitive name it's down to three you know it's down to two three maybe four and they're using a lot of really you know high level highly paid branding people you know and branding consultants you know they hired that one company that's participating in this thing you

They did have football team on one of the lists. And, you know, remember, he mentioned the team president, Jason Wright, mentioned that, you know, they're going to consider using football team going forward. He said that in an interview, you know, a couple of months ago. But again, from the start, and I don't want to say Dan Snyder is a bad businessman because he has a lot more money than me. Yeah. But sometimes they make such foolish business decisions. In baseball, I know in particular, a general manager will tell you in his wallet or in his pocket, he has a list with the names of four or five managers he could hire tomorrow if he needed a manager. Okay. Given the fight over this name for decades, it's hard to believe that they didn't have two or three or four names.

They said, okay, this is what we're going to call them. They definitely had warriors. They had marked it. They had a lot of stuff related to warriors. By the way, they may have let it go in part because it's too closely, you know, there's too much Native American, you know, links to it or attachments to warriors. Maybe they just want to see it clear. Well, they should have had more than one backup. That's sure.

They should have had two or three. You know, I'm looking at the full list. I mean, I had read through some of these on the air the other day. They're just so ridiculous. Demon cats? I mean, are you freaking kidding me? Again, I'm going to, honestly, it's just keep Washington. Don't get rid of my city's name.

Why would they do that? I don't know. I mean. That would be insane. You know, when Virginia, when they were arguing over where the baseball team was going to go, there were some legislators in Virginia, who said if we're going to spend money on a stadium for the baseball team, they're going to be called the Virginia something.

Right, I remember that. Not the Washington something. Yeah, I remember that. One of the names on the list, I don't understand this, so help me with this. 32 FC, in parentheses, W32. Washington 32. What's 32? Was 32 the beginning?

Was 32 the first year, Boston? That's when the football team in Boston. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that was the beginning of football team. Boy, that would be a, wouldn't that be a great brand? I mean, one of the longest, you know, most ardent fans, it just took me, you know, 15 seconds to figure it out. I don't think you want a brand where some of your longest old fans can't even figure it out.

Let's call them the Washington Red Sox. How's that? I mean, rubies, Swiss? You know, my sister-in-law, Kevin. What did she like? After we have this discussion, she says, I got a name and she says Washington Monuments and she was so proud of herself. And I said to her, I said, you know, you didn't just discover plutonium.

Yeah, we've heard. You're not the first one to come up with Washington monuments. Well, it's the same thing that when, like I think Zabe was telling this story. I think Zabe was telling me this story. And I forget if he told it on the air last summer or whatever. But, you know, he was telling the story about. about one of those things where, you know, some father comes up to him and says, hey, I got to tell you something. I just, I usually don't do this.

I usually don't brag on my children. But my daughter, who's nine years old, had a brilliant idea. And I think it would be great for your show. And that is, just to call them the Washington skins and use a potato as part of the logo. And Zabe did one of those. Wow, that's great. That is really awesome. Yeah, it's been mentioned about a thousand times over the last 15 years. Oh, really? Oh, okay. I don't, Tommy, I'm, I don't give a shit at this point. And you know, let me just be clear on this. I'm not one of the people that I thought I would be to a certain degree that would be so distraught over the loss of the name that it would turn me off. moving forward to the team. And I do know people who, that was it. That was the final straw. They're done. Now, I think if there's a Super Bowl contender, you know, that they'll be back,

no matter what the name is, but, you know, that was the final straw. I didn't, I just, I don't have passion for this issue. I don't, I mean, I think some of these names are ridiculous and will sound ridiculous, but, you know, eventually like anything else, people will get used to it. But here's what you want if you're a Washington football fan. And this should be your bottom line for every decision they make at this point, until they've shown you something besides this. Just don't embarrass us. Well.

Just don't pick something that's embarrassing. I don't want to be embarrassed to be a Washington football fan anymore. That's all fans should say. Well, but it's so subjective. And, you know, if I were them, I would absolutely be targeting a younger demo. I would absolutely be thinking in terms of... Well, what's the point? What's the point?

Is that the older demo is going to die off and they don't have young people who are fans. But guess why? They've missed out. Nobody does, Kevin. They're not watching sports. Yeah, I know. You sent me that art story. And if they are watching, they're watching for reasons that have nothing to do with rooting for a specific.

They're watching highlights. They're not watching games. So what's the point of pursuing a group of people that don't want you? I don't know. You know, the whole thing is very interesting. You know, I mean, look at just sports in the last year. Look at the TV ratings for the NBA. My God, they have fallen off a cliff.

And yet, you know, people will talk about, you know, the activism last summer is the number one reason. Every sport has dropped in ratings. Every single sport has dropped in ratings over the last year. I mean, this was something you and I talked about at the very beginning of the pandemic. We asked each other the question, is it possible that people will learn that they don't need sports as much as they thought they needed them? And they did. That was a big revelation. on some level over the last year.

You know, I don't need to watch something every single night. You know, I found other things I like doing. I discovered other things. They're not as important as they were. And at the same time, you know, the increase in gambling, you know, access is pushing more people to betting on sports. Yes. Did you see the NFL gambling deals that they made?

Yeah. Wow. It's a lot of money. See, just speaking in that, not that this is necessarily related to what you just talked about, but I was driving downtown. I can't believe I haven't mentioned this yet. I think it was last week. I was in Chinatown.

And I drove by, you know, the entrance to Capital One Arena. And there was just the long line. And I just, I'm telling you right now, Tommy, I would love to see the results of that. this because what my prediction was with the legalization of sports betting, if you recall, I said in most places this is going to be underwhelming in terms of the results. And the reason is until they create an opportunity for people who bet more money than just five bucks a game or ten bucks a game to bet on credit, they're just not going to attract the kind of revenue they're projecting.

And, you know, in most states, they haven't realized the revenue. Of course, they'll blame that on the loss of sports during the pandemic, which is fair. But I'd like to see, you know, the next year or two, if this thing comes anywhere near meeting projection. I'd love to see the average bet size. It's just, I bet you these numbers are so underwhelming. So underwhelming. I bow to you on this. Your expertise is much stronger.

There's no way that any one of my friends would ever bet legally in states that have now legalized it. First of all, it's a fortune if you're really looking at the pricing. I mean, this is something, look, they are appealing to naive and new bettors. I can tell that by the pricing, how much you pay in a Vig on a loss. I can see it in point spreads. I can see it in everything. I mean, they are really, I don't want to say they're taking advantage of it. There are huge costs in legalized state gambling that don't exist.

First of all, they've got massive marketing costs right now. You know, massive customer acquisition costs. But most of the, I don't, there isn't one person that I know that bets, that is bet legally, since it's become legal in, say, the state of Virginia or in D.C. So there was a line you're saying outside the sports book. Oh, yeah. But these are first time never had access to gambling before. And my only guess is that the bet size, the average, you know, bet is so much lower than maybe what they projected.

Tommy, if you can't bet on credit, what are you going to do? Like somebody who, like, look, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and tell you exactly what I bet on games, okay? But let me just tell you, a lot of the people that many, of you, many of you that are listening that bet, and many of you who have friends that bet and have been betting for many, many years, they're not betting 10, 20 bucks on a game.

So they're not carrying around that kind of cash to bring to a window. Now, betting on an app would be great and not having to do it physically, but there's still no credit. You're still going to have to use a credit card. You're still going to have to come up with

the cash. Like you would at a sportsbook. Tommy, do you know how how many sports bets I've actually made in a Vegas sports book? Like hardly any. I never, like I, I would call my book. I, you know, and in, you know, more recent years, go online and place the wagers with the accounts that I had, where I was betting on credit. I wouldn't try to bring, you know, several hundred dollars to a window in a sports book. Now, I think there were probably nights we were playing cards or something and we walked over to the window and threw, you know, a moneyline bet on, you know, the Anaheim ducks because the game was about to start and we wanted to continue to drink beers

and hang out and watch something and have some action on something. We did that many nights. You know, the last game, whatever the last West Coast hockey, the only time I've ever bet hockey is in Vegas. But anyway. So if you go to the Wizards game this week, are you going to go into the sports book and look around? No.

Why wouldn't you just to look around? That's for your, as being a talk show host, just to go and give us an idea. I'll go, I'll go check it out. I mean. You know, do some reporting. I can tell you this. Like, you and I have talked many times about sort of the crowd at a racetrack, you know. And I'm not talking about, you know, in the premier clubs with the premier sitting.

I'm talking about the people down in the stands by the rail and what you might see on a Thursday afternoon, you know, in the seventh. My people. Your people. It's a lot of that, it would appear. I don't know if Ted's going to get his wish, you know, in terms of whatever this sportsbook. By the way, I'm sure, look, one of the things he does well, he does customer and consumer experience really well. I bet whatever this sports book, when it opens up, because right now they're just windows, I think. You just go in, I don't think that the restaurant slash sports book is open yet.

Is it? Maybe it is. I don't know. It didn't appear to be to me when I just. drove by. I could be wrong about that. But they got fans about to head down there to watch basketball and hockey. So I would hope that they... 2100 of them. Wanted to talk about the Snyder Allen thing and also a couple of things, a couple of the things that Ron Rivera said yesterday. It's something that Edward or said this morning about Deshaun Watson. We'll do that and more right after this word from one of our sponsors. If you miss Cooley yesterday, really, really good.

on Zach Wilson and Trevor Lawrence. Plus, Cooley sort of had a prediction on what Washington would do. If you've missed that show, go back and listen to it from yesterday. You can get it anywhere you get, you know, all the past episodes. He's been really good at breaking down the film. He's going to continue on Monday with some of the other quarterbacks. He's done the top five now. He loves Zach Wilson.

He loves Zach Wilson more than Trevor Lawrence. You can hear why on yesterday's podcast. He also wants to weigh in on the Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder thing. We didn't have time to get to it yesterday. We'll do that on Monday with him. I'm going to do it with Tommy right now. Just a reminder, if you haven't subscribed to the podcast, do it when you get a chance. It doesn't cost you anything, and it helps us.

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That really would be a big help. So on Thursday, Dan Snyder filed a motion and a campaign. California federal court seeking to, seeking discovery and looking to depose Bruce Allen. I'll read to you from this filing. Snyder has good faith belief that Allen has specific knowledge of the creation and distribution of the M.E.A.W. Articles, just parenthetically, I'll add, if you don't remember that, that's the New Delhi India Company that was responsible for distributing all of the internet stories about Snyder with ties to Jeffrey Epstein, sex trafficking, drug parties, all of that information

hitting in the days preceding the post story, the first post story that came out with 15 women claiming that they were sexually harassed and part of a misogynistic culture at Redskine. Anyway, so Snyder's got good faith belief that Alan has specific knowledge of the creation and distribution of the MEAWW articles and thus has information relevant to the Indian action. Snyder's motion is not a lawsuit, but a request to the court to compel discovery to aid this case. Keep in mind right now, Dan Snyder's only sued one particular group and or entity, and that is, this Indian-based company. Every other thing that you've read, whether it was with Dwight Schar or Jessica McLuhan or the John Moog.

John Moog or the woman who was his administrative assistant. The name is escaping me right now. Same with me. But her and now Bruce Allen, those are all motions for discovery. They're all, now he could go back and Sue Allen. or sue Jessica McLuhan or sue John Moog, but the only lawsuit, the only legal action is against this Indian company, but he believes that that Indian company was aided and abetted by some of these people. Now, the other parts of this motion, Snyders learned through discovery received in a separate

in a separate discovery motion that during the time period of January 9th, 2020 to November 18th, 2020, Mr. Allen participated in 87 separate calls totaling an astonishing 1,237 minutes, which is nearly 21 hours, with John Moog, the investment banker, that represented the three minority owners of the team. Snyders argued the limited partners in Moog were sources for the damaging information. Furthermore, in the six weeks leading up to the publication of the defamatory articles, which were, you know, in July, Bruce Allen's and Mr. Moog spoke 21 times for 270 minutes or four and a half hours. These calls are notable not only for their frequency and length, but for the fact that Mr. Moog himself had extensive contact with representatives of the media both before and after publication of the articles, and also has

exhibited advanced knowledge of what was the forthcoming negative articles about Snyder. So this is more about Snyder believing Bruce was a big part or was a part of the information that went to this company that ended up planting these stories. What's the end game? I mean, here's what I don't get. Based on what I believe I know about Dan Snyder, the last thing he would want is to get into a discovery pissing match with Bruce Allen. So I had Daniel Kaplan from The Athletic on the radio show yesterday.

He wrote extensively about this in The Athletic. And I think that may have been one of my first questions. Where is this going? because I think when Snyder got the debt waiver and bought out Schar Smith and Rothman, I think we thought it was over. I did anyway, and that obviously was way too premature to jump to the conclusion that it was over. It is over, I think, with Schar Smith and Rothman, you know, and he said he believes it's over with Schar. So I said, what's the end game here?

He goes, well, that's a really good question. He feels like he was wronged. Obviously, there is this lawsuit with the Indian company that could lead to something. But, you know, he essentially said, look at who you're dealing with. You're dealing with a guy that, you know, has had vendettas before. This he's, you know, and I said to him, I go, he's pissed. He's pissed. And he's looking for to exact some sort of revenge.

And by the way, in talking to, I forget who I had on the show last week about this. Oh, it was the guy that wrote about Hideki Matsuyama and the worth of the masters to him, the guy that used to write for Forbes and did the valuations for Forbes. And he said, man, Snyder got a great deal. He basically almost got revenge on his minority owners with the price that he paid for the 40%. Because it was basically a $2.2 billion valuation, huge discount. There's always an expected discount because it's a minority stake, but he got a great deal because that franchise is worth between $4 and $5 billion. And he paid a valuation of $2.2.

Anyway, there was something else in here real quickly I wanted to read. The filing noted that despite Allen's prominent position and hands-on role in running the team during the time period discussed in many of these negative articles, Allen's name rarely, if ever, was mentioned in these articles and was completely absent from all of the stories that are at, you know, that are at issue right now with the company out of India. Like, none of those stories tied Bruce Allen into anything. So, you know, Snyder's saying, how convenient.

So all these stories come out, and Bruce's name isn't a part of any of them? So he, look, there's no doubt. that Snyder thinks that Moog and Jessica McLuhan and his former administrative assistant, who, by the way, had that relationship with Dwight Schar's daughter and son-in-law, right? Or was it son and daughter-in-law? I forget. And he, you know, he wants to get to the bottom of this. He wants to clear his name or he wants some sort of revenge. I actually, Tommy, put out a poll yesterday on Twitter,

and I basically just asked fans, and I'm looking it up to see what the results are because I didn't check it because it's been about 24 hours. But, you know, do you want Snyder to just stop all of this and just give it up and stay out of the news on all this stuff? Or do you want them to continue to pursue it? And I've got to find the results. But hold on. I voted in that Paul of yours. What did you vote? Well, I want him to continue to pursue it. I think. I Absolutely. I think more people... Everybody sue everybody as far as I'm concerned.

Twitter's down right now. Or at least it is for me. I think it was like 58-42, roughly. 58% said, just give it up. Let's stop. You know, let's stop having this shit be a part of the news every day. Remember, by the way, for those that are wondering, this is not at all associated with the Beth Wilkinson investigation.

That's totally separate. Oh, and let me just drop this in before I forget. it. When is the draft this coming weekend, right? No, a week from Thursday. A week from Thursday. The 29th, right. The 29th. What are the odds that the Wilkinson report, a limited edited version of the Wilkinson report drops April 30th? Wow, good call. Good call. That's Friday. Did I mention this to you that, that, you know, I, I, I, I, a, friend of mine who deals in a lot of this sort of stuff legally in investigative reporting and stuff like that said, you're going to get an executive summary of this report. There's no way you're not going to get an executive summary. It won't have any, you know, identifying information in it,

but it's going to have the recommendations. It's going to tell you generally, you know, in sort of a larger scope what happened and what was found. He's like, you're not getting completely shut out by this. There's no way the league would be able to get away with that. I don't see how they could either. But your point is a really good one. Like, you know, in the middle of the draft, look at that. The Wilkinson report and the recommendation from the league is that Dan Snyder, you know, pay a $300,000 fine and be suspended for the first four games of the 2021 season. It's going to be something like that. They'll try the news dump, the Friday news dump. And of all times, one of their biggest weekends, the NFL draft.

It'll follow the night after Washington trades up to number eight with Carolina to take Trey Lance, right? Yes. That'd be perfect for them. You know, interestingly, right, the name stuff the other day, wasn't that, was that coincidental that all the whole name stuff came out at the same time the Bruce Allen, Dan Snyder story hit? Look.

You're right. You're right. I think you have to anticipate that kind of stuff. You're right. But Snyder's the one doing it. He's the one initiating this. So that, you know, that doesn't make any sense either. It's not like there's a report coming out that they can't control.

He's the one filing these motions. That's true. But like my point is, if he did get into a legal fight with Bruce Allen, Bruce knows what Dan has done more than anybody. And vice versa. Dan probably has a lot on Bruce. I'm sure, but at this point. Bruce is a non-factor, I guess.

Bruce is happy in his L.A. mansion at this point. I don't see Bruce Allen having any long, revived career in the NFL, where at Dan Snyder, some people still are hanging on to hope that he's holding on to ownership by his fingernails. You know, Tommy, I know I've beat this one to death, but I still think, it's so interesting that here's Snyder chasing down oh by the way i asked this guy the thing that you've brought up before which is is it possible that even if schneider wins this case that essentially the damages that that the the indian company has to pay out and by the way they'll probably just file you know some sort of bankruptcy before they pay him anything i don't know that it's a big company

to begin with i could be wrong about that but um the uh you know it's what you've said before i'm pretty sure it's you. I want to give you credit. It's like, how can you prove that his reputation was damaged when his reputation is so bad to begin with? Like, you have to, if you're going to quantify damages to, you know, in a libel case, I don't know anything about how this would work. But when somebody already has a gutter level reputation, how could something like this make it any worse? I guess the Epstein thing is pretty bad. I know that, but that's one of the defenses would seem to me is people, people believed he was capable of this.

Right. It's sort of what Moog said, right? Didn't Moog sort of indicate that? Yes. And what did your guy say? I forget what he said. I forget what he said. That's okay.

You got a lot on your mind. The bottom line is ultimately, like I've said, you know, beating this dead horse over and over again, it's just ironic that the fake news, the smear campaign really lessened the impact of the post story for Snyder. The expectations by the time we got to that Thursday afternoon when the post finally, you know, put that first story out, was, the expectations were sex trafficking, Jeffrey Epstein ties. the shit's going to be there that's going to cost him the team. He's done.

And none of it was there. It was a terrible story. If it had been dropped by itself with no precursor, with no buildup, we would have been like, oh, my God, what a terrible, you know, organization. But it really helped them. Hence, why they put that letter, you know, signed by Louis Shrek, their sales head, that went out to sponsors and business partners that said, we're attaching the post story for your review.

The post story is the only, you know, proper accounting of what went on here. All the rumors you heard weren't true. I mean, they felt so emboldened by that story and not having any sort of ties to the rumors that they attached it to a letter to their business partners and sponsors. You are, you're 100% right on that. But what we don't know how severe will be. is the backlash after the Wilkins report is released from the women and their attorneys who may feel it did not go far enough.

Remember, I mean, some of those women are suing Snyder. I agree with you. I'm just talking about in the moment that week. Yes. No, you're right. You're right. Look, the second story, the other stories, the New York Times stories, the Beth Wilkinson investigation, you know, all of that.

this stuff, it's bad for the organization. I'm not minimizing that stuff at all. And I'm not saying that it ended there, you know, in mid-July. I'm just saying in the moment, that story, which at that point remember the anticipation, like it was out everywhere that this was coming out. And then we started to get all the rumors from this, you know, we didn't know it was coming from this New Delhi India company, all these rumors about what it was going to be about. And it's like, whoa, Tommy, I remember that week. I remember hearing the Jeffrey Epstein thing before anybody had printed it. And I made like two or three calls. And I was told, nah, I don't see that. I don't see that. And I was like, oh, okay. But I was, I was waiting to read that thing like everybody else was.

And when you read it, it's like, nothing in here, remember, is going to cost more likely than than not cost Snyder the team. And they felt the same way. He felt the same way. The organization felt almost like it was a big sigh of relief. It's terrible to say that. But certainly, it paled in comparison to what the rumors were. Anyway, we've talked about that many times before. I just think it's funny that he's trying to clear his name. And ultimately, those stories, that smear campaign that wasn't true, actually helped him in the moment.

It actually benefited him and the organization in the moment. Pursuing this at this point could come back to bite him in the ass. And yep. Look, you know, if somebody smeared my name the way perhaps all of these people did, I'd be pissed too. And I'd want him to pay. I mean, on some level, I understand it. The problem is it's him. And he's been a litigious SOB his entire life.

This kind of news has always been negative and usually been negative and accurate as it relates to him. you know, maybe for the first time he feels like this was wrong, I was wronged, and I've got to clear my name. I don't think anybody cares whether or not he clears his name on this. Nobody's going to think of him any differently if he wins this case against this company. And if Bruce Allen spread lies about him, nobody's going to think any differently. Like somebody should get to him and say, you know, where's the gain here, even if you win? Well, I'll clear my name. You don't have anything. You're never going to clear your name in this town.

Ever. Like I said, if anything, I mean, if Bruce Allen starts to unpack his own suitcase of Dan Snyder's shit, it could come back to haunt him. There's that saying that resentment is like drinking poison and expecting it to kill your enemy. Right. Tommy, has anybody that he's ever dealt with? professionally stuck with him. Joe Gibbs.

If you wanted to pick one guy to do that, it would be Joe Gibbs. Yeah, I'm just, I think that's it. Yeah. You know, I mean, Vinnie's never done a tell-all. Vinny never, you know. Yeah. I'm sure he could. I mean, can you imagine if we get a co-authored book between Vinnie Serrado,

and Bruce Allen in like 15 years. All right. One more segment in the show. I want to talk about some of the things Ron Rivera said yesterday and something Ed Wurter said this morning on Outside the Lines on ESPN. We'll get to both things right after this word from one of our sponsors. So Martin Mayhew and Ron Rivera did a presser yesterday on the draft, you know, basically two weeks before the draft.

The first question was about, you know, the philosophy, draft best player available compared to like, need. Mayhew answered the question. He said, I think there's definitely a balance between those two. Obviously, you don't want to reach for players just because of what position that those players play, but by the same token, you have to be cognizant of what your needs are throughout the draft to try to fill those needs if possible. Then the second question, right out of the bat, do you feel the necessity of going after a quarterback in this draft? And Martin Mayhew gave the answer. That's a really good question, but one I won't answer. I won't get into that

for strategic reasons. We do feel very confident and comfortable with the quarterbacks on our roster right now. I'm excited about working with each and every one of those guys. We'll see where it goes. So, you know, there were more questions about, like they tried to ask him questions. It was smart.

Like, so what do you look for when you evaluate a quarterback? And one of the things that Mayhew did say is that I want a guy that has spent time on the job. And so from that, I would say to you what I've said for two months, I've heard that there are several people in the organization that really like Justin Fields. And Mike Lombardi came out with the report, remember, a couple of weeks ago, that said they're really interested in Trey Lance. Well, if they're looking for somebody who spent time on the job,

Justin Fields has started 34 games in college. Trey Lance, half that number. So I would be, I think Fields is a guy that they're interested in more than Lance. I just, that's my, that's what I heard two months ago. Of course, these things change. By the way, you know, John Kime, who doesn't break a lot of stories, but when he does, he's usually right. He had yesterday, or late on Thursday, that he has a source that says Washington will absolutely move up into the top 10 if, you know, a quarterback that they like falls, which sort of means they're not going to number four to Atlanta's, you know, spot, but they might go to seven, Detroit spot or eight, Carolina's

spot. You know, before you get to nine, which is Denver's, which, you know, Denver needs a quarterback. Charlie Casserly, I think, I think somebody sent this to me. Casserly recently projected that Washington would trade up and draft Trey Lance. I don't know. I personally still am sticking with the most likely scenario is that they stay at 19 and they select a player. And it's a linebacker or it's an offensive lineman or maybe it's a corner. It's one of those three things at 19 overall. But, you know, there's a lot of smoke on them trading up.

And I thought that the only comment related to the quarterback situation out of that press conference came from Martin Mayhew when he said, evaluating quarterbacks time spent on the job is definitely a part. positive. Anytime you see a guy with limited time on the job, that is a concern for me with the quarterback position. There are certainly more of those guys this year, and Tray Lance would be right there. Justin Fields, two solid years as the starting quarterback at Ohio State and playing in multiple playoff games and a national championship game this year. So I would take that as a bit of a clue that the Justin Fields thought that, you know, stuff that I had heard two months ago,

that that's a guy that they're very interested in. I think that that's the guy more than it's Lance or Jones. That would be my guess. Cooley still thinks Fields is the more likely to fall. The odds makers in Vegas have Fields now as the favorite to be the number three pick. Cooley's convinced it's going to be Mac Jones to the 49ers at three. And that fields would be the one that would drop to like nine to where Denver is. So it's going to be interesting.

Well, again, you know, my philosophy is if they have a guy that they definitely want, they should go get them. I'm with you. I totally agree with that. Yeah. So last thing, Tommy, so I was watching outside the lines this morning. They were doing a lot on Deshawn Watson. And Edward, you know, the longtime ESPN reporter based in Texas, he basically said that, you know, Deshawn Watson's trade values diminished significantly.

But that, you know, there's still the possibility that Houston's going to move on from him and try to trade him. And that, you know, he definitely still wants to leave. I can't imagine just the craziness of this entire situation. But he started listing teams that would be potential suitors for Watson. And he mentioned all of the obvious teams that might be in the mix for a quarterback. You know, Atlanta, New England, Denver, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, Washington. He mentioned Washington, still in there. First of all, I am curious, and I think I'll probably do this on the race.

radio show Monday or Tuesday. Would people want Deshawn Watson now that you may not have to pay a fortune for him? Maybe you only have to give up a first and a second now, or only two first total, and that's it, to get them. Would you do it? Would I do it? No, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it, because if there's one team that can't trade for Deshawn Watson, it's the Washington football team. There's no chance Washington can trade for Deshawn Watson right now. There's no way. No, it can't happen. And I know there's a segment of the fan base that wouldn't understand that. And we'll say one has nothing to do with the other, but it absolutely does that this is the one team you can't.

He can't, like this was the one team Colin Kaepernick could not play for. This is the one team Deshawn Watson can't play for for different reasons other than football. Why was this the one team that Colin Kaepernick couldn't play for? Because of the name. I mean, you know, he couldn't turn around and play for a team that had what he had publicly, you know, criticized a number of times was the name. So, I mean, again, it's a non-football thing, but it's the facts of life. It was one of those really good NBC80 shows.

Actually, there was a terrible show. Couldn't stay. That's a terrible show. But I met one of the girls, Kim Fields. at the hamburger hamlet in Georgetown. Oh, really? Well, she... In the 80s.

She may have been the only one that had like a legitimate career on that show. I mean, the other people, I don't remember like the one that played the blonde. I don't think she was ever in anything. I think Kim Fields was in a lot of things. Maybe. But at that point, that was a brush with greatness. It was? What did you say to her?

I don't even remember. Oh, boy. I don't. even remember. I think I said, did you wash your hands when she came out at a bathroom? No, you're so. I'm not sure. The Deshawn Watson thing fascinating. Look, I love him as a player. I mean, I totally, I was on board for giving up whatever it took to get him, basically. And I wanted Matt Stafford before that, before it became, you know, obvious that he was available. But I, I don't think there's, well, I think Tommy's 100% right. There is no chance that this

organization, this is the one out of the 32 in the NFL with what's going on with sexual harassment and the investigation, can you imagine if they brought to Sean Watson into this organization? You know, look, on one level from a football level, I would say, you know what, this will eventually go away and we'll end and we'll have a great quarterback who, you know, completely reshaped the, you know, his image or whatever. And, and, you know, and, you know, and, and, and, you know, and, and, So on some level, I would be like, let's still go for it, but they're just not, they would not do it. You know what? There's no way, I'll tell you who would not allow it.

Tanya wouldn't allow it. And she has more say or certainly perceived say than she's ever had before. Now, I got to tell you, I'm becoming more and more convinced that, and, you know, I'm sure the NFL owners think this way. Maybe some of them do, some of them don't, that it's pretty much a bulletproof organization. I mean, I mean, I don't think there's anything. Yeah. It's, I don't think there's anything that they don't think that they can sustain. Yeah, but.

But Tommy, the organization has taken hit after hit. And it's hurt the business of the organization. Yes, it has. So, you're right. You know, being one of 32, they still get to share in 132, 132nd of the television revenue. Yes. So that's what makes it bulletproof.

This organization's taken huge hits in recent years. Huge. But back to Deshawn Watson, it won't happen. And Tanya, and if it did happen, they'd have to have Tanya on the front lines explaining how she vetted Deshawn Watson. You know, I was reading this thing yesterday about on ESPN, this guy, Jeff Legwald, I think his name is, wrote this really interesting piece on how teams really put a draft board together. Anyway, it's worth the read, actually. There were a lot of things that I found very interesting. But before Tennessee drafted Jeffrey Simmons, he had an assault charge, a domestic assault situation. Amy, what's the Strunk? Amy Strunk, the owner of the Titans now, said that she vetted Jeffrey Simmons more than any player that she's ever been asked to

get involved in a decision on. She vetted him, and they drafted him, and he's really good. He's really turning into a monster of a player. If Washington drafted a player like that, signed a player like that, it would have to be Tanya, front and center, talking about how she vetted the player. She vetted this situation. She was asked to sign off on it, and she did. They could not get away with Dan or Ron or any male up there talking about how they're comfortable with Deshawn Watson's situation. I agree. Anything else? I got nothing else for you, boss.

Back on Monday with Cooley, he's going to do some of the other quarterbacks. Like, who's the sixth quarterback to be taken? So guys like Mond and Mills and Trask, he'll do and have film breakdowns for all of them. All right, Tommy, thanks. Have a good rest of the weekend. You too. All right. Thank you for doing this.

Okay, no problem. All right, let me go get it out. See you. All right, I'll see you. Thank you.