The Kevin Sheehan Show - McLaurin Seeks 2nd Injury Opinion

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with congenial and comfortable conversation about a multitude of topics including Terry McLaurin reportedly seeking a 2nd opinion on his quad injury. Also on the show, dog talk, "cigar gate", turtle squashing, Mariota vs. Jayden, backing up the spot on field goal attempts, Lions/Ravens, Dorance Armstrong, and more. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Window Nation, 86690 Nation, windownation.com. If you need new windows, we were just talking before we started to record. We're both busy with dog duties this week. My wife is away on sort of a girl's trip. So I had to, you know, leave after the radio show to go back to feed the dog.

I'm taking care of the dog. I love taking care of my dog. There's nothing wrong with taking care of my dog. I enjoy it. I usually just am not home in the middle of the day to take care of the dog. And you said, you've been on dog duty this week as well. Yes, my son is on vacation. So we're dog sitting for him, which I'd like to do, you know, because I love.

I loved having a dog over the years, but I don't want one anymore because it gets in a way of a lot of things. And so I usually just satisfy my dog hitch by watching dogs on Facebook videos. Oh, I do too all the time. On TikTok all the time. Yeah. Absolutely. But we dogs sit once in a while for his dog, whose name I gave him, Kojak. That's the dog's name.

Oh, yes. You've told me about Kojjj. Jack before. Yes. He has. He's got PTSD. I'm sure he does. He is, you know, wasn't good enough for my son just to go down to the local animal shelter and get a dog. He had to get one from Kuwait, a rescue dog from Kuwait. Why Kuwait?

I don't know. Some kind of program where they pulled dogs off the streets, they saved dogs off the streets. And he acts like he spent his life. Kuwait. My hope of what? Is it a female dog or a male dog? Because, you know, females don't get treated well over there. It's a male dog. Okay.

It's a male dog. He shakes constantly. Oh, that's sad. I'm scared of the smallest little thing. You don't get a lot out of him. He doesn't cuddle, you know, he doesn't play, but he's easy to take care of. Well, he's getting loved now. That's the most important thing.

And who knows? I, as you know, I, well, let me preface what I'm going to say. I wasn't always a dog person, even though we have always had dogs. In fact, I will, I've probably told this story before, but the first dog we got when the kids were young was really, I mean, it was a source of, of quite the anger and, confrontation with my wife. I had said about two days previous to getting home after a trip and finding that there was a little puppy in my home, I had said, no, we're not doing a dog now. We can't do a dog now.

We're working. We've got, I think at the time we had, did we have three? Did we have all three boys at that point? If we didn't have all three, she was pregnant with our third. And I said, it's just going to be too much. let's get through the next couple of years, then we'll get a dog. And I came back from a trip. I was away for like two, three days, came back, and I was met by two of my three sons

just beaming with their new puppy. Oh, God. And I remember looking at her going, oh, my God. I must have a vote in this house when I am home alone. and that's about it. I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. And she said, oh, we fell in love with it. We went out and we were looking at puppies.

And we just, we, the boys, I'm like, oh, my God. But I will say this. It was, despite the insubordination, despite the complete lack of respect. Wow. That's quite the word. You might want to pull that one back. Well, I'm just kidding, of course. Despite the lack of respect.

despite the common courtesy of sort of collaboration and compromise in a significant sort of relationship, it was a great thing, ultimately, and we loved that dog. That dog was a cocker spaniel. And then we got another dog, and the dog we have now is, I mean, she's the absolute best, and she is the love of my middle son and his girlfriend who, you know, have kind of been in and out of the house living part-time with us, full-time with us. They're down in Nashville right now, sort of in the music business. But I, Lainey, who is our English bulldog, she's the best dog we've ever had. And honestly, I just love her so much.

And I love dogs. And I will sit there like you said. I will sit there and it'll honestly, sometimes it sucks up an hour easily being on TikTok or being on Twitter at, you know, bulldog sites, you know, and watching bulldog videos. They're hysterical. But yeah, I never was like a massive dog person. I wasn't an anti-dog person, but I just never, but now I love dogs. And I've never owned a cat. And I can't imagine that I would be into cats.

But I do know a couple of people who have cats. You know who has always had a cat and he swears by them. And he's somebody that is near and dear to our heart because he produced us for years is Mark. Stern. You know, Mark's always had a cat. He is a cat person. And I know people who are cat people. I think they get a bad rap cat people do.

I just don't. My preference, dogs. for sure. So. I'll bet you had all kinds of pets in your house when your kids were growing up. I mean, we had, I mean, well, the turtles were the worst. The turtles were the worst. Because they're a mess.

It's a big upkeep. They smell, the cages smell. You know, there's all those issues with handling them and germs and all that stuff. But yeah, we always had, I mean, we weren't like a mini, you know, petting zoo. I know a lot of families that had just, you would walk in and like the entire house was filled with different things. We didn't necessarily have that going on. But we pretty much always had a dog, fish, and probably something else. I think we had a bird a few times.

We had parakeets. I like the parakeets, actually. I mean, I got the parakeets, you know, the sit of my shoulder. You know, it was proud like the parakeets. You did like the parakeets. Yeah, we had amsters. We had a rabbit. We had iguanas.

I mean, we had a whole spectrum. Yeah. You had an iguana in the house? Yeah, what was my idea. Yeah, I don't think any of this, you know, any of the pets were my ideas ever. They weren't. I do remember the birds and the turtles There was just a lot of maintenance

You know But I guess I got a good turtle story for you growing up What This might This might wind up Get me taken off the podcast Should I tell it?

I don't know I mean You already basically firebombed a Chinese laundry In Brooklyn when you were a kid So since we got away with that I'm sure this will be fine Well, you know, I had an older sister. She was eight years older to me.

Yeah. And she was a real pain in the ass. She used to harass me and tease me and stuff all the time and get me in trouble. Like, you know, if she saw me out in the street and she heard me curse and she go back and tell my parents. And I remember one time she was babysit me and I asked her to get me a drink of water. She came back with a glass of Anna Zay. A glass of what? Anizette.

It's an Italian liquor. I started drinking it down like I thought it was water. Oh, my God. She, oh, wow. So here's how I got her back when she had little baby turtles. Okay. And we lived in an apartment in Brooklyn with a long hallway. And I can remember taking the turtles out, laying them on the floor and riding my tricycle down the hall and crushing her turtle.

Oh my God. You did? And you killed them? Yes, I did. You killed them? Yes, I did. Really? That was revenge.

How old were you? Well, I was driving a tricycle. How old could I be? I know. What were you five? Maybe five. And she was 13? And you were, oh my God.

And the turtles were baby turtles, so they just squat. It wasn't like you tried to run over a big old boxing turtle or whatever they were called. Snapper turtles. No, these were little ones. And so... So I got her back, buddy. So let's hear what happened. What was the aftermath?

I don't remember what the aftermath was. I'm sure I was severely punished for it. But, you know, all the punishments kind of run together. Yeah, they do. But do you remember feeling any remorse? No. Because I'm sure she did something to me. Well, you know what they say about young kids that start killing animals and torturing animals?

They're, you know. But you see, I was very compassionate to animals actually growing up. Okay. Just not your sister's turtles. No, just this is one last thing. In Brooklyn, we had an apartment that was on a big street, busy street. And looking out the window was this big, an activity is watching television, you know?

And... Hold on, stop. Stop. No, I get it. I get it. But it's just, it's so funny. Here we are in 2025. And everything that's available to you to entertain you.

And looking out the window was like watching television. It was like, hey, are we going to watch TV? Are we going to look out the window today? We lived on a busy street. There was always something. I saw a lot of stuff. Yeah, I know you did. Right, sure.

Okay. This is in Brooklyn out the window. Right. Yeah. So one time, I'm sitting on the window, sitting by the window, I was, you know, maybe five or six. And I see some guy, some teenager with a cat by the tail, and he's like slamming the cat on the ground and just doing horrible stuff. You know, so I guess maybe a week or something. So later I'm walking down the street with my mom, and I'm holding her hand, and she said,

I broke away from her because I saw this teenager, and I ran up to him, and I jumped as high as I could, and I punched him in a mouth, and I said, here, that's for the cat. Really? Yeah. Well, it's a good thing he didn't see you smash those turtles. He may have come after you. No, my mom was there. Nobody was coming after me with my mom around.

Your mom was the Irish part of the marriage. Yeah. You know, turtles, turtles were everywhere when I was a kid. Like, I'm talking about turtles in the wild, like in my backyard, in the neighborhood. You would see turtles all the time, and we would go out and we would pick turtles up and we would play with turtles or whatever. You know, I think they were, I think they were called boxer turtles or snapping turtles or whatever. And then for when my kids were young, I don't remember turtles anywhere. I think they just went away for some reason.

Maybe it was, you know, too much, you know, too much building, too many, too much of sort of urban sprout. But recently, I have noticed turtles again. There was a turtle in my backyard not that long ago. I wonder if they have come back. I've seen turtles on the golf course before. Yeah, anyway, those poor turtles. One last animal. Yeah.

One last animal note. You know, I wanted to give you an update on the Frederick Fair activity. Oh, I can't wait for this, yes. The big news is a 19-year-old girl sold the 14,000. 1,400 pound steer for a record $26,000. At the Frederick Fair? Yes. Not the Midland or Odessa Fair in Texas.

The Frederick Fair, we had a 1,400 pound steer. Pell 246K. Wow. Yes. Okay. I thought that was big news. Well, were you there for it? No, I just heard the news.

Okay. I read it. Were you in the Facebook painting? It was at the Frederick Post. It was at the Frederick Post. It was a local newspaper here in Frederick. That's a very good job covering the community.

Okay. Are those, you know, those newspapers, they're not really around anymore, though, are they? No, they're not. There's a big, they call them news deserts. All areas that used to be covered. Remember, in Washington, not only did you have, you know, the Post, the Star, you have the Times still, but it's more of a national paper than a local paper.

And you had the journal papers. Oh, yeah. The Montgomery Journal. The Montgomery Journal. The Sentinel. The Montgomery Sentinel. Yeah. I remember those.

Yeah. Well, there's what we call now news deserts, areas that just aren't covered by a. anything. Well, are they covered online? I have no idea. Are they covered online? You know, there may be some intrepid people who, like, run their own local website, or maybe some local reporters who have, you know, taken upon themselves to start their own website and cover it.

But it's not like it used to be. What's interesting, though, getting into journalism here, is the Baltimore Banner, which is the nonprofit newspaper that I started online in Baltimore a couple years ago. Right. They just opened a bureau in Montgomery County. Oh, nice. With about, I think, a dozen reporters. That's huge.

That's really significant. You know, Sali had that, God, I don't know if he still has it or not. But Steve Solomon, who Tommy and I worked with, excuse me, forever. at 980. Sali was Zabe and Andy's producer Forever. You know, one of our favorite people. Sallie's running, by the way,

once again for Montgomery County Council. You know, one of those Montgomery County Council seats. He's run before and he's running again in Montgomery County. But he had a podcast. I know that, I mean, I was on it once or twice.

It was a podcast that basically covered Montgomery County news and events. I don't know if he still has it. There are pieces of those throughout every community. Right. But again, with that, you don't really know what the standards are. Right.

I'm not speaking about Sali. You just don't know what the standards are of the information you're acquiring. Right. Sali honestly is one of my all-time. favorite people. Solly wore the exact same thing to work every single day. This is not an exaggeration. Jeans and a blue sweatshirt, and it had to be the same blue sweatshirt because it looked

like the same blue sweatshirt. Maybe he had three or four of them and would wash him a couple of times a week. I think he did. I think he did. Solly was a hoarder. Underneath, Sally's desk was right outside of my office. office. Remember, you know, and I'm talking about it at 1801, Rockville Pike. And Sallie would have underneath his desk, I mean, boxes of stuff. I mean, it could be drinks, it could be

chips, whatever it was. He just had boxes of stuff underneath his desk. But as weird in a loving way, I say that, as weird and as odd as Sallie was, he was also very smart. I always, Steve has always been one of my favorite people. And God, I'm hoping he gets elected to this because he would have some really good ideas. He'd actually shake that counsel up. By the way, if you want to donate, I did to his campaign. There's a link to it on Solly's X account at Steve Solomon. You can go to Vote Steve Solomon.com and donate if you want to.

Sali. Good for you. Yeah. Well, I mean, and Sali produces Doc's podcast. You know, he does Doc's podcast and is a participant on that. And he's with Zabe, I think on Zab's podcast a lot, I believe. I believe he still does that. Anyway, all right, I've got this email to read to you because I don't know how much you've been paying attention to the last 48 hours.

I say 48 hours, more like 36 hours. as we're recording this podcast. It's coming up on 48 hours since the game on Sunday. And since the game on Sunday in which Marcus Marietta was outstanding in the game. He was really good. But there's definitely been, and I took calls on it today, and I'll tell you what the exact question was here in a moment. But yesterday I had, you know, Sabah.

I mean, bless her heart. She does create a bit of a stir with some of the positions that she's taken over the years. But she suggested that Jaden had been soft benched, which is not a term I was familiar with, but essentially saying he's probably really not hurt. It's just that he wasn't playing that well. So let's use injuries and excuse for him to sit back and watch the great Marcus Mariotta. Mariota was great. I'm not going to take anything away from that performance.

He was outstanding. This from Quinn. Quinn writes, Kevin, have you noticed people are now saying MarioDa is better than Daniels? If so, I'm excited to hear which fans you think these are. The build around Heineke-Hall group, maybe the pre-season proclamations group. I'm not discounting Marioada's worth, but I literally laughed out loud when I read comments on Twitter about how we should roll with Marioita. for the rest of the year. In capital letters, we have an MVP caliber 24-year-old in the building. Blessings, Quinn.

Yeah, I have seen some of that. Now, let me just say, Quinn, this is a small percentage of people. I think the people that were Taylor Heineke believers or Sam Howell believers, or let's not draft a quarterback, let's keep Sam Hal and Eric Bienemy and build around that. I think that was a larger group, you know, than the people that are actually saying, let's roll with Mario Yoda. But yeah, no, I got calls today. So Tommy, Dan Quinn made a comment yesterday.

J.P. Finley asked him about whether or not, you know, Marioada's play, his level of play, would impact the timing of Jaden Daniels' return. It was a good question. And I actually was thinking that, you know, somebody should ask. that because it is in the, you know, it's out there that Marioita played so well so we don't have to rush Jaden back. You know, we got a guy that we can win with kind of a thing. And so I asked the question today and took calls on, you know, do you think Marioada's level of play should impact the timing of Jaden's return? Now, I think the majority of people said, no, Jaden, when he's 100%, he's back on the field. He's an MVP caliber quarterback.

But there were people that said, look, you know, you're good with Mario Yoda right now. Ride this thing out. I had people say Mario has looked much better than Jaden. You know, he's better from the pocket. He sees it. He can deliver. You know, one caller said, you know, in this league, It's not about the quarterback's legs.

You've got to be able to deliver on third down, you know, from the pocket. And I just sat there. First of all, I was a bit embarrassed doing this. Not embarrassed. That's the wrong word. I was a bit like, oh, my God, am I really going to do this call segment? I knew it would light up the lines. You know, you and I have a sense for that.

Anybody that's ever done this understands what will drive, you know, a lot of calls and a lot of passion. but I'm like, I can only imagine if somebody in the building in Ashburn is listening to this, they are like, oh my God, are you people insane? Like, did you watch last year? Could you possibly? Did you really forget? Was it really that long ago? And so I acknowledged all of that going into it.

But I'm blown away. I look, Marioita was really good. Okay? He was really good Sunday. He played the Raiders. The Raiders were terrible on Sunday. It was the perfect setup game. You know, short rest versus long rest, West Coast, East Coast, good team, bad team.

I mean, I said to you on Thursday show, and then on Friday, this is a get-right game in the NFL. Yeah. You know, this is a get-right game. If Jaden's playing it, they're going to win, and this is a total get-right game. And I still picked them to win with Marcus Mariotta. I picked them to win 27-20. you picked them to win as well. Jaden's last game was against the Green Bay Packers,

who played on that night a game in which if Marcus Marriota had been in that game, it would have been a bloodbath. Just like it was, I mean, Jaden didn't turn the ball over. The score was 17 to 10 going into the fourth quarter. Now, it was not a game. You know, they got dominated. And if Jaden had played Sunday against the Raiders, it would have been a get-right game just like it turned out to be.

But it is remarkable. I think that there is definitely a group of fans that just weren't around for the days in which this team was a real team, a real franchise, participated in real games. And so they're willing to just grab on to anything. recency bias is more of a recent phenomenon anyway. But can you... But they are used to operating on their chaos. You know, we can't possibly have a good quarterback. We need to change that because we have a better quarterback now.

That's the way that they've done business with this franchise for decades. It's all that some of these people know. that that is probably part of this you know when you are such a scarred fan base uh from you know 24 25 years of literal fan base abuse um you don't think right sometimes um and i and let me just be clear on this quinn this is not a lot of fans okay but but i do think think some of those same people that were, oh my God, Taylor Heineke is the answer. Oh, my God, did you see Sam Howell against the Cowboys in the season finale? He's the answer. Yeah. And I also think, I'm telling you, and I don't think that this is specific to Washington's fan base. I think

a lot of hardcore fan bases feel this way. They watch their team and not the rest of the league. I think that's the biggest disconnect with the people that kind of feel like Terry McClure is a really good receiver versus those who think he's like one of the best receivers. I think in football, more than any other sport, you have people that watch the rest of the league. That's true, but I'm telling you, like, we've gone through this. I mean, I think my favorite of these is the Eric B. Enemy conversation. Like literally, Eric B. Enemy had a name as an offensive coordinator from a Super Bowl winning team. But if you were paying attention to the rest of the league, literally nobody wanted him.

Every interview he went on, he didn't get an offer. That was for head coach. Then when he said he'd be willing to take an O.C. position. because Andy Reid was essentially pushing him out, no one would give him an offensive coordinator job. Ron Rivera did, and we had not a majority, okay, but we had a third, I mean, that's my guess, a third of our fans that thought, thank God,

what a coup this was to pull it off. He's our next head coach. But, you know, you have to have to have. a certain either commitment or ability to interpret what you're seeing there. I mean, if you just read what you, what's out there, Eric the enemy is a victim. Well, I'm talking about before they hired him. No, even before they hired him.

All you read about Eric the enemy was how he kept getting screwed over for head coaching. Well, that's true. That was the narrative. Yeah. So if you're a fan and, you know, you don't have the inclination or the ability to say, you know, maybe there's a different reason why this guy keeps getting passed over, you're going to buy into the message. And the message has been, and I think it still is to some extent that this guy's been screwed over.

Yeah, I mean, I point out Eric Bion to me because he was actually different. than the Sam Hal. Sam Hal nobody could have a clue as to whether or not Sam Hal could play before he played. But before they hired Eric B. Enemy, you had to be paying attention to understand that literally nobody wanted to hire him to be in that kind of a position. Now, I, you know, just, I didn't mean to get sidetracked here. I still believe in my heart of hearts that this was Ron Rivera as a lame duck coach. doing Andy Reid is solid.

I think that Andy Reid said, please just take him, make him the OC, let's give him an opportunity. He's a good football guy. And he is, and he's always been. His issue was just, you know, his ability to sort of, you know, get along with the players that he was coaching.

I mean, if he had come back with Sam Hal in 2024, You know, we talked a lot about Terry McClure in over the summer. Terry and a lot of those receivers would have been begging to be traded. Literally begging to be traded. But anyway, that's yesterday year. I think this Marcus Marietta thing is interesting. I said something on the show yesterday about Mariota, which I think is actually a real conversation.

You know, Jaden being, you know, sitting back and getting a breather from those two terrible games he played. They weren't terrible people. The Packers made everybody look terrible. And he was fine against the Giants. And it was the opener. And he was a little bit rusty, as was everybody in the opener. Did you see the lions in the opener? Have you seen the lions now?

But the interesting thing about Marioita is that he's only 31 years. old. He's going to be 32 years old. That is right now in 2025 prime for a quarterback, prime age. Like he's got another three, four years of playing quarterback at a high level if he was a starter right now. And I think a game like Sundays and, you know, maybe another one that's coming on Sunday against Atlanta. It could easily lead to him getting offers to either. start or compete to start when this season is over. Because he is a talented QB. I think this is the perfect offense. This is the best offense, best coordinator he's been with in his pro career. He's super happy to be here. You know, he had, I played the sound on yesterday's show, the emotion he had

after Sunday. He's been through it the last few years in Atlanta and then in Philadelphia. And he loves this place. I mean, you know, back to people loving this place. It's a new, it's a new thing and a startling thing, but it's a true thing. He may choose just to continue to resign here every year and be Jaden's backup. And by the way, I think that would be phenomenal for the organization and for the team, because they have the best backup quarterback situation in the league, because it's such a perfect fit for him. But he could easily, you know, every year, There are teams desperate for a starting quarterback. I think part of it would be he would have to go to a system and a team where it's kind of like what they're running here.

That's what he does well. You know, I'm not sure he wants to be a starting quarterback. I know. I hear you. I mean, because he could have, he could have competed for several jobs this offseason. I think. I don't know if it's several, but it was probably a couple. Well, a couple, okay, to me, a few is three.

A couple is two. And I think I put several with a couple. Oh, you do? I think several is more than three. I think a few is three. Okay, well, a couple is two and several is more than three. Okay, so you think it's a few. Two or three jobs.

Yeah. So you think it's between a couple and a few? Yeah, I'm going to give you a couple in a few. about a minute. And, you know, he's just, he's so abusive about how much he loves it here. Right. And look, I'm not diminished. I'm not trying to criticize him.

But where's the competitive flyer? Tommy, that is, that is, it's a phenomenal observation. I suggested the same kind of thing yesterday that his personal life right now. now and how he feels and the comfort he has being here. I mean, there were issues, mental issues, you know, anxiety issues in Philadelphia. And there was an ugly ending in Atlanta and, you know, a tough, you know, deal with Arthur Smith who brought him to Atlanta. And there was, you know, a thought of, I'm not meant to do this anymore.

and he is, yes, I could totally see, professionally I could make more money and have a chance to start if I went to, you know, Carolina next year. But I wouldn't be as happy. I'd rather stay here and be happy and healthy and in a really good situation, even though it means I'm going to sit behind Jaden Daniels and make less money. I could definitely see that. And let me make it clear. I'm not criticizing him. I know you're not. I know you're not.

If you recognize your limitations and what you're capable of, and you found your place by all means, embrace it. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting situation, definitely, with him. And look, netting it out on the Jaden Mariotta thing, As we sit here on Tuesday afternoon recording this podcast, we still don't know what Jaden's injury really is, other than a sprain knee. We don't know if it is, the Jeremy Fowler reporting is that he was not close to playing last week.

And, you know, they're still, you know, got to work through this next week. But it could have been right from the jump, oh, this is two to four weeks. Now we know it wasn't catastrophic or really like serious because there was the reporting from Kime and Schefter that the MRI results did not reveal any serious damage. But this could be a two to four week injury and they're just playing it out to make these teams prepare for two quarterbacks every week. That's possible. Yeah. Yeah. It is.

Yeah, I mean, it's, I think it's possible. I had another email to read. I'll find it, we'll read it. We have other things to get into, including Terry McLaren's injury. That's got people fired up because they believe the summer sort of led to this. And we've got a lot more on this show today. Including? including the resolution of my cigar war.

Oh, right. It was, well, the resolution to the resolution? I'm not giving it away. Okay, well, that's it. I can't wait to hear it because I was getting text messages from Tommy on Sunday before the game began from the stadium. We'll get to all of that and more after these words from a few of our sponsors. Are we finally ready for some football?

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Obviously, an unusual week with multiple blocked field goals. I understand why teams wouldn't want to place the holder for a field goal attempt 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage, since that would unnecessarily lengthen the field goal attempt. But why not eight or nine yards? If you know, as the Rams must have known on Sunday, that you were having trouble blocking rushers pushing the pocket up the middle. Would spotting the kick nine yards back from the line of scrimmage make it easier for rushers off the edge to block the field goal? Yes, the edge rusher would be able to rush in a straighter line, but wouldn't the extra two or three steps make it impossible for them to block the kick?

And for the price of a couple of extra yards on the kick, you would make it impossible for the guys rushing up the middle to affect the kick, assuming they didn't completely break through. It just seems like something a team might consider. Am I missing something? Love the show. Mark, I love this email. I've thought about this before. but now there is a really good reason to think about it.

Tommy, I don't know if you caught the number of blocked field goals on Sunday. Yeah, it was a blocked field goal fest all day. And what you're seeing is you're seeing some of these freakish defensive linemen in particular. You know, Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis in Philadelphia, Miles Garrett, I think blocked two or three kicks last year. They're just, for whatever reason, they're having a greater impact. act in that mid, you know, that up-the-mid rush on kicks. So the spot of the ball has forever been, you know, about seven yards.

I think there are some teams that may spot it at eight. But, you know, whatever the distance is, if we continue to see an increase in blocked kicks, especially from up the middle, you're correct, another yard or two so that the ball gets off his foot and has a chance to elevate faster before they can, remember, some of these block kits, kicks, they don't even make penetration. They just jump up in the air and block them because they're low kicks. But if you back it up a little bit and the kick can get up faster and clear the line of scrimmage by a much high or clear the length of the arm extended, yeah. Now, what you said, Mark, about the angle for

the edge rusher, I do think it makes it maybe a little bit easier, even though they do have, let's just say, an extra yard or two in terms of ground to cover. Because that angle right now at seven yards, you don't see a lot of blocked kicks from that angle. You see a lot of them where you're like, oh, he almost got it. But I think the majority of blocked kicks come from the interior part of the line of scrimmage. But yeah, I also thought about, you know, is there a rule around, you know, how far back you can go to kick a field goal? I don't think there is. I certainly couldn't find it.

But interesting and sure, with these kickers now, what's an extra two yards if you lessen the chance of it being blocked? Let me ask you this then. Let's say, you know, the line of scrimmage is 60 yards away. from the goal post. Okay. You move back to seven yards, that's 67 yards.

So that would be a 67-yard field goal, right? Well, that would be a 77-yard field goal if you're 67 yards away from the goal line. From the goal post. Okay, from the goal post. Got it. Yeah. 67-yard field goal, right. Yeah.

Okay. So, so if the line is, Scrimmage doesn't move any closer, but the farther back they go is, would that affect any record that was set? I don't think so, not if the kick came from that distance. By the way, do you know last night? Basically, all somebody has to do to set a new record is just to go back further. Yeah, I have a feeling the answer from a special teams coach would be, yes, you would,

you would lower the chances for an interior block, but you would increase the chances for an edge rusher block because the angle would be less harsh and it would be more of a straight line to the kick. And by the way, now you've got to block it differently on the edge. But yeah, no, the kick would be from wherever the balls put down, even if you moved it back a yard or two. So if this started, let's say if somebody started doing this,

the likelihood is we'd see the first 70-yard fuel goal. Last night, we had an attempt at halftime of 67 yards for an NFL record, Bates the kicker from Detroit. You know what? I know. You know what they did not do a good job of Joe Buck and Troy Aitman last night and even the cameras?

It was wide left. I couldn't tell, and they didn't mention, if it actually had the distance. If it had the lengths. Yeah. Right. I didn't... I mean, I'm watching the game with my wife, and she said, was it long enough? Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Right. You know? Yeah. Yes, I don't know if it was or wasn't. Real quickly, because I do want to talk about the game last night in our final segment of the show today. It's getting really hard to watch a game that Troy Aikman's involved in now. I don't know if other people have noticed this, although there are threads now on this, because I went on Twitter and I just searched Troy Aikman laugh track and many other people have picked up on this. He just laughs so much. He laughs at everything he says. He laughs at everything Joe Buck says. It's a laugh track throughout. I don't know what happened to it. I can't believe I didn't pick up

on that, because I know people who are like that. Oh, my God. I know people. And it's very aggravated. Oh, it's so... I have relatives who are like that. It's so annoying. And it's been picked up on social media.

And by the way, I never thought Troy Aikman was like anti-redskins or anti-Eagles or anti-Giants. You know, the fans of those teams always thought he was and thought he was, you know, pro-Caboys. In fact, I always felt like Troy won it. the NFC East teams to be great. So it was like back in the heyday of the NFC East being great again. But God, it's constant laughing from Troy. I'm like, I turned it to the Manning cast after a while. But we will talk about that game.

But yeah, the field goal thing is interesting. I'm guessing that it's the angle of the edge rusher that would be improved and that would lead to a higher risk kick. That's what I'm guessing. I'm guessing that. By the way, how impactful is it to have one of those freakish, long-armed, athletic, interior guys that can get up in the air, you know, can penetrate the line of scrimmage,

get up in the air, hands up in the air, and block a kick. I mean, Miles Garrett is, I think, the best in the league at it. Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis, I can only imagine, you know, what's coming. The value of just the pressure it puts on the kicker to get that ball up faster, you know. The other thing I've noticed, too, is, you know, it depends sometimes on the hash, you know, and where the line of scrimmage is. But pretty crazy that we've seen such an increase in block. kicks. That was a hiccup, by the way. That was not a burp, if you heard that. Tommy burps and belches

all the time on the show. I actually have the hiccups right now. All right. Let's get to Terry McClorn. So, Terry McClorn, it was reported today by ESPN's Adam Schaefter, is seeking additional opinions on his injured quad, leaving his status for Sunday's game with the Atlanta Falcons uncertain. If McLaren can't play, it just adds to the list of the biggest problem here early in the season for Washington, which is, you know, a lot more injuries than they had this time last year. Quinn said yesterday that he'd have more information on the injured players on Wednesday. You know, the only players he addressed Will Harris to injured reserve and that Marshaun Latimore had cleared a concussion protocol.

Terry's injury came on that, which should have been a touchdown, that 57-yard touchdown catch and run at the very end of that play. Look, I think that, you know, this is my first blush when I read this a little while ago. When you're seeking another opinion on an injury, like a, you know, a soft tissue, quad, whatever, that's usually not a good thing. Usually not a good thing. No. I would say that's not a good sign to see him on the field on Sunday. Yeah, I think that's probably right.

Now, the true skeptics would say, well, you wanted an unhappy Terry, not giving him what he wanted, basically giving him a one-year extension when all was said and done, here's your unhappy Terry. You know, he could probably, last year he's going out and playing with this. This year, if he had gotten anywhere near what he was asking for, he'd be out there playing on this. That's what, you know, somebody... That's not unreasonable. Huh?

Not unreasonable. I mean, I think... I don't think it's unreasonable to think that it's in play. I just don't think it is because I think Terry McLaren is a super-pricer. professional guy. Now, with that said, I know, I know how disappointed he was. Yes. He was very unhappy. Yeah. But, and the start to the season hasn't been anything great. You know, when you were at the game Sunday, when he had that catch and he got down, I thought he scored. It was a ridiculous over time. But the crowd started chanting Terry, Terry.

He erupted. He loves that. He really loves. He. He is continuing to try to make, he didn't start the Terry chant, but he embraced it, as he should have, as a lot of players would. I'm not knocking it. But there is an extra zeal to it for him because I think he, you know, he's like, see what I mean to this town, to this fan base, you should have rewarded me for it, kind of a thing. And we don't know what voices are in Terry's ears, too.

Right. We don't know if somebody's saying to them, and say, you know, don't put your career at risk for this team that wasn't willing to show you the security that you would need to take the field with an injury like this. You know, I mean, to me, if there's a voice, whether coming from the outside or inside his head, that's telling him that, that's not an understanding.

reasonable viewpoint. And at the same time, you know what they might be thinking in the building out in Ashburn is, see, we told you, once you get to a certain age at this position in this league,

it gets a bit dicey. And this is why we weren't willing to pay him, you know, anywhere near what he wanted to be paid. Now, let's get to the practical matter of what are they going to do, without him, you know, at wide receiver.

And Noah Brown. Yeah. Like, yes, if Terry McClorn and Noah Brown are, let's just say, worst case, they're both out for Sunday. So you've got Chris Moore, Debo Samuel, obviously. Chris Moore, who played more snaps than Luke McCaffrey. He played the second most snaps on Sunday behind Terry McLorn at wide receiver. You've got the rookie Jalen Lane, who Tommy I am in love with as a punt. returner. He is, he's got all the attributes of a great punt returner. But then you got to go to

your practice squad. You know, you got to go to Jacori Brooks, who I actually thought during the preseason, for whatever it's worth, preseason, looked apart. He, you know, looked the part, hands wise, size wise. You know, he's the, he's one of those guys they actually gave, you know, kind of legitimate, guaranteed money to to sign an undrafted free agent contract to come here, played at Louisville last year. I think 100% he would be a guy in play to get called up. The guy Tame Martin, was Tame Martin actually active? He may have been on the 53 for one of the games.

But, wow, I mean, you're talking about, I mean, it'll give Luke McCaffrey a lot of opportunities, that's for sure. You know, if you have to go to Atlanta, I know the Falcons are reeling after that debacle against Carolina, but still, you're traveling to Atlanta in a game that they're probably desperate to win the Falcons. With such a decimated injury report, you know, my column on Sunday's game, was I gave the game ball to Adam Peters. I was going to ask you, I was planning on asking you about your thoughts about the game Sunday. So give them to me right now.

Well, I did that because there were so many pieces of that roster that contributed to that game on Sunday. Yes. You know, and... Starting with Marcus Marietta. Yes. And I gave him credit for, you know, that basically having to build a speed dial roster because of his quarterbacks, you know, basically take advantage of the opportunity of the young quarterback.

Basically the same thing I kind of made fun of the week before, you know, the old slow roster, I kind of gave him credit for this week and that he, that this was an organization win as much as anything on Sunday. This because, you know, because if Jane Daniels is the sun and the sun was nowhere to be seen, it was dark. And you survived the day. Yeah. You know, that that speaks to your survival skills.

Sure. I think, I think it was an organization when. It was a last of us situation. Yes. Yes, it was. So, uh, so, uh, if you can do that again on the road, it's not the kind of thing you want to live for, you don't need the extra baggage. But if, you know, if they're receiving corps is what you just ticked off with their backup

quarterback on the road against the Falcons, then this, this organization is pretty strong. Yeah. I mean, yes, I mean, what? you said like, you know, just the running back by committee on Sunday, you know, was McNichols was thought to be, you know, a guy that they were just picking up for basically camp the year they picked him up. Rodriguez and Bill Kroski Merritt, I mean, all three of those guys. Well, no, wait a minute.

Rodriguez is not their guy. Rodriguez is actually a Rondike, or Rivera guy, yeah. It was 23. Yeah. All right. Speaking of the Falcons, I've got something on them when we come back. Also, a real interesting stat on the player that I think has played the best of anybody on this team through the first three weeks. We'll get to that and more after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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Yes. We love Shelly's. You can learn more at shelley's backroom.com. Okay, so I got this stat on the player that I would, I didn't see this stat until after I did this on radio today. On radio today, we did a segment through three weeks, the top three players or the top three performers on the team are, and we took calls on it. my number one performer on this team through three weeks is Dorrance Armstrong. He's got three sacks in three games. He is leading the league in pressures.

He's got 18 of those and pressure percentage 25%. Leading the NFL in those categories. He has been outstanding in these first three games. and Washington does not have a dominant edge-rushing pass-rush talent. We don't have a T.J. Watt. We don't have a Miles Garrett. We don't have a Michael Parsons. We don't even have a Trey Hendrickson. But Dorrance Armstrong has been incredibly versatile in terms of where he lines up and a very, very good pass-rusher. He finished the season that way. He had sacks, I think, in three of his last four regular season games, then had three and a half sacks, a forced fumble, and five tackles for loss in the three playoff games.

He is, I think, right now, in terms of the first three games, the best performer. For me, number two was Kinlaw and number three was Debo Samuel. But Dorrance Armstrong, I didn't even know the numbers on Armstrong when I said it, and then my producer sent me the information about him. very, very impressive start to this season. The other thing I was going to mention is, do you have, by the way, a top performer for the first three games of the season? You know what?

I didn't think of one. I know, I didn't tell you to. Right, but that's a good one. I mean, that's a very good choice right there. Yeah. Absolutely. By the way, another Adam Peters win. He signed him.

Actually, that's a Dan Quinn, Dallas guy. The other thing that I was going to mention. The general manager puts together the roster. Coach may have favorites, but ultimately the general manager who makes those decisions. That's why, in a way, speaking about giving him credit, you know, they bench Spencer Coleman. Brandon Coleman, yeah. Brandon Coleman. Yeah.

One of his draft picks. Yeah. You know, for a guy he inherited in Chris Paul. Yes, I mean, that's where you get to, look, I'm going to give you these players, but I can't tell you how to play them. You and your coaching staff. But I've covered general managers in all sports that will tell coaches, don't bench that guy. He's, you know, it'll make me look bad. I see it happen all the time.

Right. Well, yeah, I mean, we now have, you know, Chris Paul as a starter from the 20, 2023 draft or 22-22-draft? 2020-23. 2020-3 draft. 20-22 draft. Chris Paul, 7th-round-picking 20-22. We have Chris Rodriguez, who's part of the committee at running back.

We have Kwan Martin from the 2023 draft. And let's not go down this path because even though John Bates is a significant contributor and Sam Cosmey is a significant contributor. The bottom line is they missed on Chase Young, in order. Dwayne Haskins, not the organization, the owner's fault. Dwayne Haskins, Chase Young, Jamin Davis, Jahan Dotson and Emmanuel Forbes. And I know that Jehan Dotson is still, you know, a contributor in Philadelphia. And Emmanuel Forbes is a starter for the Rams.

But, you know, those early picks, I mean, they could be the best. backbone of your team right now had they gone much better. I was going to mention this about Atlanta on Sunday. First of all, I got this from, where is it? I don't know where it is now. I can't find it. Oh, here it is from Paul. Don't want to get ahead of myself, but you know who is not the best backup in the league. Mariotta is. And if he keeps playing like he did against the Raiders, Jaden will be, and then he writes dot, dot, dot. Look, Marioad, I don't know if he's the best backup quarterback in the league. I think most people would put Kirk Cousins at the top of the best backup quarterback in the league, because he's really a starter that is getting, you know,

paid so much that he's not able contractually to get another gig right now. But, I love the situation in Washington the best. But here's what I was going to say about the Falcons. So the Falcons two weeks ago played on Monday night football, or a week ago, a week ago last night, played on Monday night football against the Vikings. Actually, played the Sunday night game, excuse me, against the Vikings.

And they blew the Vikings out. And they were dominant defensively. They ran the ball. They looked very impressive. but the most impressive part of their team was their remade defense. And I thought, wow, the Falcons are going to be a test. It was week two. I mean, J.J. McCarthy was the quarterback that night, and he really was struggling early and then got hurt.

A lot of people have said to me, well, this Atlanta game now looks like another get-right game. Well, first of all, it's not a get-right game when you just got right. You don't get right two weeks in a row. You have to have like a bad loss or two, and then, you know, hopefully you have a get-right game. But I think a lot of people are very confident about this Atlanta game on Sunday. And I would caution all of you that feel that way. Because first of all, it is the NFL. We understand that things change every week.

We saw it just this past Sunday. I mean, the Browns beat the Packers, who everybody thought, including Micah Parsons, thought was a Super Bowl team after they beat Washington on Thursday night. The Falcons were not run over by the Panthers. The 30 to nothing final score indicates that the Falcons got completely run over. Michael Pennix, Jr., who I love, I loved him coming out, had an absolute terrible football game. Through two picks, couldn't complete a ball to save his life. They actually brought you know who in to the game.

came into the game for, you know, mop-up duty at the end when they were down 30 to nothing. But what I was going to say is this. I went through just the condensed, you know, 40-minute version of the game on NFL.com with my NFL package. Carolina did not move the ball successfully in the game. Bryce Young threw for 121 yards. The team had only 224 yards of offense against Atlanta. were three for 12 on third down. It's just the turnovers. The turnovers completely, you know,

Michael Pennix Jr. handed them the game. It was a terrible game for a young quarterback starting his, you know, seventh or sixth game of his career. So don't think that defensively Atlanta's not more capable than the Raiders. I think they are. And you said, you know, when you lose 30 to nothing and you come home. Desperate teams are always the most dangerous in the NFL, especially at this point in the season when you still have a season. It's one thing if we're in week 16 or week 17 and the team and the locker room is already making plans for Turks and Caicos or wherever. But I think Atlanta's going to be an absolute difficult test. And I think defensively they're talented. So that is, that's one thing about the game. The other thing is, and I just noticed this at my bookie,

the line was two and a half last night. Washington was a two and a half point favorite. Washington right now is a one point favorite over the Falcons. Trust me, this has nothing to do with the Terry McClearn injury. What it may have something to do with is there may be something out there about Jaden. Now, it's not in the media. I haven't seen that yet. But there may be a thought among the odds makers, or there is sharp money essentially betting that Jaden Daniels isn't going to play against the Falcons. But they went from minus two and a half, less than 24 hours ago, to minus one right now at My Bookie. I think this is a very dangerous game Sunday, especially if they go into it without Jaden. By the way, my bookie is the place to

bet on sports, go to the Kevin Sheeonshow.com slash my bookie. Use my promo code, which is new now. It's DC Reload. You'll get a 50% cash bonus when you sign up at MyBooky through the Kevin Sheeonshow.com slash my bookie. And if you're an existing customer or a returning customer, go to the promo code section, type in DC Reload, and you'll get that same 50% cash. bonus. But I thought that was interesting. I was like, wow, that's a, it's a point and a half. That is super

sharp money without any meaningful news to the quarterback at this point. So, I mean, from yesterday, we knew yesterday at 3.30 that there was a chance Jaden could still be in this mode of maybe or maybe not. So I don't know. It's sort of a signal to me that somebody may kind of feel strongly that there is a greater chance Jaden isn't going to play. So they got it at two and a half. And maybe they'll come back and play Washington at a pick him if it drops to that,

you know, later. But, yeah, Atlanta will be a game fired up opponent. It's the way the NFL works, people. Okay? It just is. It happens every Sunday. The Panthers last week, the perfect example. They were 0 and 2, and they come home and they beat the snot out of the Falcons who had won the week before.

And it looked impressive winning the week before. All right. I want to hear about Cigar Gate. And we'll talk a little bit about Lions Ravens last night. What a football game. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This from Mac, Tommy, to pick off this final segment of the show. Mac writes, Kevin loved Tanna on the show yesterday.

The stories about the win over Dallas 20 years ago, amazing. Wow, was Clinton Portis a salesman? Yes, Mac. thank you for that. Santana Moss was excellent yesterday, Tommy. It's the 20-year anniversary of the Monday Night Miracle game. The Mark Brunel to Santana Moss in the final four minutes on two bombs to beat the Cowboys on Monday Night Football. And Santana was on with me, you know, reminiscing about that.

Santana's got a really, really good memory. And he is good at telling those stories. And he said that he was literally on the sideline. kind of pouting when they were down 13-0-0 because the coaches basically asked him on Friday what plays he thought would work. And he mentioned the plays that eventually ended up scoring. And they hadn't run any of them all night long. So Clinton came over to him and said, what's wrong? And he said, they didn't run any of the stuff that I told him to run.

So he said basically a minute later, Clinton brings Gibbs over to Santana. and Gibbs says, do you want to run, the play was called Dino, I guess. Do you want to run Dino? And Santana was like, yeah, coach, you know, at this point, we're down 13, nothing with three minutes to go, sure, why not? And they ended up running it twice, you know, it's different variations of it and winning the game. And Santana said that that was the most important moment

and most important night of his career. It made his career, you know, and etched him in, you know, the hearts of Washington fans forever. And by the way, for his teammates, because he was brand new. But, you know, we've told these stories about Clinton before, and he talked about Clinton. He said, Clinton had this way, man, of talking to adults. And, you know, in no way would I ever approach Gibbs or ownership

or the general manager, coaches on the staff the way Clinton would. And Clinton, you know, and Gibbs actually sort of back this up. you know, Clinton basically was responsible for the trade of Laverneus Coles to the Jets to bring Santana Moss here. He's the one that went to Gibbs and to Vinny and to Dan and said, if Laverneus wants out, my guy Santana would be perfect and it's a perfect trade and he'll come here. He'd love to come here. And then he was responsible for the team drafting Sean Taylor. Now Gibbs disputes this a little bit, but says that Clinton was very, you know, he had a big voice in screaming,

don't draft Kellyn Winslow, draft Sean Taylor. But the way Clinton's always told the story was Joe, Joe said, we want an offensive player, which is why we're leaning Kellyn Winslow. And Clinton said, well, if you want offense, draft Sean Taylor, as in Sean will get the ball for you more than Kellen Winslow was. By the way, he was right about Kellynne Winslow. I guess, you know, those Miami guys kind of knew each other. And then we found out on the show yesterday that there would have been no Monday night miracle if it hadn't been

for Clinton going over and telling Gibbs, why haven't you run these plays? By the way, my experience with Clinton is the same way. And it's done in a very he's good at that. Like he's so likable. And he's, he's also, you know, pretty convincing. So, um, anyway, good stuff from Santana on the Monday night miracle game on yesterday's show. If you want to go, uh, listen to it. He had some great stories about the whole night, the lead up to the game, uh, the celebration after the game, some stuff with he and Sean Taylor and Clinton on the sideline. You know, Tommy, for an era that produced nothing in the way of, uh, winning or, um,

championship level contention. You know, there were, we still had, it's still a quarter century of Redskins football. You know, it's not like it didn't exist. And there were popular players that came out of that era, even though for people my age, I mean, I love Santana, I love Cooley, you know, I love Clinton, and some of the guys that I've gotten to know over the years. I mean, you could, I would bet that probably Cooley and LeVar are the two most popular from that stretch of football. RG3 is number one, obviously, although it kind of turned.

But it's not the same as Thysman and Doug and Rip and Art and Monk and Jake and Doc and Rigo and Daryl. Like these are championship conversations about favorite players. And that's not something that they got a chance to participate because they played for, you know, an owner that was so bad. Ironically, you know, how many of those years, it was like they were oblivious to how bad the owner was because they were friends with the owner. The owner, they didn't realize how detrimental it was to winning with the owner being as involved as he was. was. Anyway. Before we get to Cigar Gate from the other day, that game last night was a great football game. The Lions went into Baltimore last night, and they won the game 38 to 30. It was a phenomenal, exciting football game start to finish. But the part that was just unbelievably surprising to

me. And I know Baltimore had some injuries up front. Detroit rush for 224 yards. They dominated the line of scrimmage. And they sacked Lamar Jackson seven times. Seven times. Forced them. And Baltimore had no sacks. No sacks. They forced Eric Henry into a fumble late in the game. That's his third fumble of the year, second in the fourth quarter that's cost them an opportunity to win a game. Lamar fumbled in the red zone at one point. This is why, by the way, you just got to ignore week one every year in the NFL because Detroit looked terrible and everybody said, oh, no Ben Johnson, they're not going to be any good.

They may be the best team in the NFC because they are the best combination offense, defense, I think, in the conference. In terms of explosive offense, because I don't consider Philly to be explosive. of, although they can be when they want to be. But their receiver group with Amon Ra and Jameson Williams and the tight end, Laporta, and then with Gibbs and Montgomery, they're good, man. They certainly looked at things could change this upcoming week. Baltimore plays Kansas City on Sunday at Arrowhead,

and the loser is one and three in that game. I think one thing, it's hard to know. know anything for sure, but I looked at Buffalo just overall and the schedule they play, which is really light. I think Buffalo has a real easy path unless they get injured, you know, to the number one seed in the AFC and to hosting, you know, two games to get to the Super Bowl. Of course, you know, we'll see what happens if Mahomes has to go into Buffalo. he's already done that once. Yeah.

But, all right, tell me about Cigargate. What happened? Give everybody the setup who missed it last week, and then let's hear what happened. Well, I've been smoking a pre-game cigar at the stadium for 20 years now. In a designated smoking area, an open deck not far away from the press box. on the second level. 20 years, people, two decades of smoking cigars before games. People have walked by.

I've had, I've had, Joe Bysman once walked by and gave me a cigar he had in this pocket because somebody had given him one, and since he hasn't spoke, he gave it to me. So, I mean, I've, you know, the owners have walked by and seen me there. So some security guy, last, last son, two weeks ago, some security guy who I'd never seen, seen before says, you can't smoke here. I say, yes, I can. It's a smoking area. I've been smoking here for decades. And he insisted I couldn't smoke there.

Okay? And the security guards who were usually at that area weren't around when I needed them there. Okay? So this guy gets on his walkie-talkie and speaks to his supervisor, and his supervisor says, no, he can't smoke there, which is not true. Okay. So it becomes a big brouhaha that goes all the way up to the top of the organization. What? Okay.

It went to the top for real. It went to Josh Harris? Listen, when I came in on Sunday, my security, security guys usually man in that area said to me, look, man, I'm sorry. I said that it went all the way up to the top, and the owner said, no smoking. No smoking in that area. I said, but it's on the website. He said, yeah, they're going to change it. So these weasel owners basically sit away with my tradition,

20-year tradition. Yeah. You know? Where was Josh Harris 20 years ago? Mm-hmm. You know, sweating in a wrestling room at University of Pennsylvania. God Almighty. No, that's it.

That's it. I'm done. You know, no more. No more. No more. No more. No more. what? No more what? Well, no more

pre-game smoke in that designated area. But does that mean no more going to the games? Well, let's take one step at a time. Okay. They do have a smoking area, but it's way up on a ramp in an obscure location with no place to sit. Okay. So I did go there and smoke my cigar. But you're with your people there. Well, that's my point was everybody who was smoking there with me was a Raiders fan which was so funny they're all those are your people those are your people

was a Raiders fan and I had fun hanging out with them sure but I'm not going to be doing that anymore I'm not going up there like I got to hide from you and do that so I don't know what I'm going to do you know I don't have to go to the stadium to do these I do this out of a sense of obligation

Yeah. You know? To basically say, okay, here I am. I wrote this. If you want to complain about it, anyone in the organization, I'm right here. Yeah. Okay. But, you know, I mean, this is an old-school mentality that I carry with me.

And I really, I thought to myself, you know, I mean, like when they play on the road, I don't write a game off TV. I write a follow-up Monday for Tuesday. Right. When they play a late-night game, I usually write a follow-up the next day. I know. Here's what I want to go back to not whether or not you're going to go to games or not. I want to go back to something.

Do you think that it was personal? No. Okay. You think it was just... I don't think Josh Harris even knows I exist. I think he does, actually. I think he does. But, you know...

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What? You said that like you know something. Well, I mean, I know that they know about this show. I know that. So I've... Well, I mean...

I've certainly... I've certainly when I've had conversations about this show or the radio show mentioned the differences between the shows. Obviously, a big difference between the two shows is that... you're a part of this show two days a week because we've been together for, you know, basically, Jesus, God Almighty, 16, 17 years. 2009, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, no, I don't think it's personal. I just think, you know what I think could happen? I have no evidence of this. This is really irresponsible thinking. I'm thinking somebody's wife said something. About just smoking in general. Yes.

Yeah. I, look, I don't know. And I can't, I can't win this fight, you know, because I can't start a rally, you know, free off to focus the car. No, no, no, because you know, I'm not going to get a lot of people. No, you're not. No, you're not. This is not Snyder you'd be up against.

No. This is the savior you'd be up against. I know that. Yeah. So not. Even no matter who it was. It's, you know, you don't get a lot of people in these smoking. smoking army these days.

Well, I know that. But you would have had a lot of your army as part of your support, but the problem is a lot of your army would be conflicted because it's like, wait a minute here, do you know that without this guy here, without this guy coming up with $6 billion, billion with a B, we might still have the old guy? I know. And the old guy who let me see.

smoke, by the way. Yeah, right, right. Well, it's because he smoked. You know, he was a big cigar smoker. Right. All right. Is that a... You know, a bunch of candy asses running the team now said, no to-pote. There's the quote. Oh, boy, I might have to edit that one out. I won't. I never do. Jackson Darts, the starter for the Giants. I mean, I think Russ Wilson is done. I don't think anybody's going to give him a gig next year. He's terrible.

And the guy that's coached Oklahoma State, you know, remember when he turned 40, he had that famous quote, which I will leave you with departing the show today. But Mike Gundy, after all of these years, fired, Oklahoma State is terrible in college football right now. All right, good job today. Thursday, we'll have Atlanta to focus on, and we'll talk then and get your prediction. and we should know something about the quarterback, although maybe we won't know. Actually, real quickly, I say if he doesn't practice Wednesday, he's out. If he does practice Wednesday, he's in. Whereas last week, we weren't sure entirely if not practicing on Wednesday meant he was out.

I think if we get to Wednesday and he didn't practice, he's out. If he practices, he's in. I don't think we have to wait beyond that. That's a reasonable prediction. All right. Thursday. Okay, boss. Where are we at in society today? Come after me. I'm a man. I'm 40. I'm not a kid. Write something about me or our coaches. We're writing about a kid that does everything right. That's heart broken. And then say that the coaches said he was scared. That ain't true.