The Kevin Sheehan Show - Mike McDaniel?

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

Kevin and Thom today with plenty on Mike McDaniel getting fired by the Miami Dolphins and the possibility of McDaniel reuniting with Dan Quinn in Washington as the Commanders' Offensive Coordinator. K...evin set odds on Washington's next OC while Thom asked the hypothetical, Harbaugh or Quinn? The boys had thoughts on Trae Young being traded to the Wizards and Thom made his Super Bowl pick. The show also included but was not limited to conversations about Buc-ees, Barney Miller, Elvis, and the drunkest nights of Kevin and Thom's lives. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:02 You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's with me today. I am here as well. The show's presenting sponsor, as always,
Starting point is 00:00:16 Window Nation, 86690 Nation or WindowNation.com. If you need new windows. Let me just get this out of the way real quickly, Tommy. No smell test pick on tonight's semi-final game, Miami and Ole Miss. I actually am rooting for Miami to win the game. I'd like Miami to face Indiana in the national championship game. I think that would be the best national championship game possibility that we have with the final four teams. But no smell test pick.
Starting point is 00:00:46 There's no real public play on either the game or the total. But tomorrow's show, I'll have not only, I think, at least one pick, if not two for tomorrow night's semifinal, but I'll have my picks for the playoff games over the weekend as well. Tommy's six and one last week, the smell test. Why aren't you down here with me in a condo? I should be. I should be because I will tell you this. I have not paid my guy once this year.
Starting point is 00:01:21 He has only paid me. And right now, the balance, I'm a little bit worried about whether or not he can handle it. and I said to him, I said to him, I said, he goes, do you want it? And I said, no, let's just settle up at the Super Bowl. At the end of the Super Bowl, we'll just settle up. And he's like, are you sure? And I said, yeah. And I said, he probably wouldn't be helpful for you.
Starting point is 00:01:43 But here's the ironic part of that. Some of you will understand what I'm saying. Most of you won't. But typically, the places in which I wager, they want me to win. because most of the action is on the opposite side of the side I'm on. So when I win and they're typically in a position where they're happy to pay me because it means they're collecting from everybody else. And he said, he said, we can settle.
Starting point is 00:02:17 It's not a big deal. He's like, you know it's better when you win than when you lose for me, typically. And I said, no, we'll just settle at the end of the Super Bowl. of course, what'll typically happen, and it's happened many times over my, you know, wagering life, yeah, we'll just settle up after the Super Bowl, and I'm up now, and I'll end up probably paying him the day after the Super Bowl, because it'll all go wrong from this point forward. But I keep saying that, and it just keeps winning six in one last week. Insane.
Starting point is 00:02:49 That is not. Yeah. It's over 64% now for this season. So you have a couple of tweets that I'm interested in because I just pulled up your Twitter because you asked me to tweet out your column, which was basically something we talked about on the show the other day about the press conference, the Peters and the Quinn press conference. And yes, we're going to get to Mike McDaniel. Yes, we'll get to Marshawn Latimore being arrested. And, you know, I'm going to give you on the show today kind of my OC odds. all right, the favorite and then the second favorite, and I don't even know if I have a third favorite.
Starting point is 00:03:32 I really have two in mind right now, but I will give that to you at some point on the show, maybe here in the opener. But you tweeted out that you were at Buckees the other day. Tell everybody, first time, tell everybody what Buckees is. I've just recently heard about Buckees because my son and his girlfriend
Starting point is 00:03:54 who live in Nashville, they moved down to Nashville. They're the musicians. They've lived in Nashville now for about six months. And every time they drive down and drive back, they stop at Buckees. And he's been telling me about Buckees. And you were at Buckees. So tell us about Buckees.
Starting point is 00:04:11 Well, I was at Buckees in southwest Virginia on the way down to Florida. And it's a convenience store, but it's the size of a Walmart. Yeah. it's huge. It's unbelievable. And they must have 100 gas pumps, literally outside the place. And it was packed. I mean, it was packed with people. I mean, you've got to want, when you're walking through the store, you've got to worry about not bumping into somebody.
Starting point is 00:04:46 And there's all kinds of stuff. Apparently, they make jerky. That's a big thing. I didn't pick up any jerky when I was there. I have to pick some up on the way back. back. And I think it's the jerky that they sing songs to or they, or they yell out chants while they're making it. You know, kind of like that place that used to make fudge in malls and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:05:12 Oh, yeah. Workers would actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something like that at Bucky's where they do that. And there is any merchandise you can think of, they have it there with Bucky's name on it. Okay. Basically, basically, it's a Chinese warehouse. So I'm looking at their locations.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Now, they have lots of locations in Texas. Plenty of, it's all throughout the south, although there is one location in Colorado. But it's basically Tennessee, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Florida. There's one Virginia location, so the one you hit was in Rockingham County, Virginia. That was it. Mount Crawford, Virginia is the actual town that it's in. When my son first told me about this place,
Starting point is 00:06:13 what popped into my mind was a place called Stuckies. Do you remember Stuckies? Oh, I have fond memories of Stuckies with the log rolls. that they had. Well, all the different nuts and all the different candies. And so is it similar to Stuckies or was Stuckies more of a restaurant and a food place than everything else's place? Stuck. Stuckees was more conventional, more of a food place.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Okay. And would fit in the men's room of. Really? Okay. And by the way, the men's rooms, you know, somebody posted this on my Facebook page, and they're right, you can eat dinner off the floor of the men's room. Well, that's a place that's got their act together. Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:07:08 And it's huge, huge restroom. There's no lines outside, and the store's packed with people. And there's always traffic in and out of the bathroom, and out of the bathroom. People come and going, come and going. But yeah, they have their act together. They've got a system. And I'd be real curious what the training program is to work at Buckees because I don't think you can just like 7-Eleven come off the street and work at a Buckees.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Do you know what it has on its homepage of its website? World's Cleanest Restrooms. Yeah. Cleanest restrooms in America. There's an article that was written. about Bucke's having the cleanest restrooms in America. Wow. I'll tell you what, that's a dedicated group of employees
Starting point is 00:07:59 when you've got, you know, spotless restrooms. That means they're going in there an awful lot. You're just awestruck by the magnitude of it, okay, which makes it very unique and fun. I think it would get old at some point. It's not like, you know, Friday night dear, let's go down to the neighborhood Bucky. Yeah. It's a traveler's thing.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Oh, my God. They've got, some of these stores are 75,000 square feet. Holy Christ. I told you. So I've got the Stuckies website. Stuckies was a southern thing, too, I'm pretty sure. But here's the Stuckees website. Do you know where Stuckies is based?
Starting point is 00:08:47 No. Silver Spring, Maryland. Really? I mean, I don't know if that's been forever in Silver Spring, Maryland. The CEO is Stephanie Stucky. Um, ooh, Stephanie Stucky. Okay. Uh, she's a worker?
Starting point is 00:09:07 Not bad. If this is her. Um, she must be, you know, the granddaughter or the daughter of the founder, I'm assuming. Um, the daughter of former Georgia member of Congress, W.S. Stucky Jr., who served as a member of the U.S. House of Representatives from 67 to 77. She spent her, her early life in Washington, D.C., attended the University of Georgia and earned a BA in French. Ooh, wee, um, and then graduated from the University of Georgia law school. I wonder where she went to high school. That name now, that last.
Starting point is 00:09:48 Last name is familiar. Not because I would have ever tied it to the Stucke's restaurants. By the way, they were much smaller, and they were primarily through the South. And it looks like they were primarily food. And it doesn't look like they have a whole lot of locations left. Anyway. No, it's on the downside. You know, one thing, did you ever watch Barney Miller TV show?
Starting point is 00:10:15 Yes, I did. It wasn't my favorite, but I, I shouldn't say it wasn't my favorite. I liked the show a lot, but I was not a dedicated Barney Miller person. But I always found it to be quirky and odd, but I liked it. ABC in the 70s and 80s. Yes. One of my favorites is Barney Miller, and there's an episode one where Harris goes under cover.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Harris was the black guy, right? Yes. Yeah. And he goes undercover in a homeless shelter because a bunch of hobos are being kidnapped. Right. And he goes undercover, and he gets a group of hobos wind up getting kidnapped and taken down south. And they get dropped off at a bus station, and there's a van supposed to come pick them up with Harris gets them out of there. So Harris gets to a phone and calls the Paltz Precinct Squad, and Wojo answers the phone.
Starting point is 00:11:12 After they're talking, Wojo says, you know, on the way back, Harris, can you stop at a stuckees and get him? me a log roll. And so he said he would. So when he gets back, you know, he doesn't have the log roll and Woto's upset, but he didn't get him on. So Stuckey's actually made it in a
Starting point is 00:11:32 Barney Miller episode. You know, I'm looking at the cast. First of all, I remember Harris as the black guy. He was the only black guy on the show, right? There was like an Asian guy, a black guy, and then a bunch of, you know, crusty, you know, white dudes that were
Starting point is 00:11:48 cops and who was the old guy. I'm looking at the cast right now. Not how... That was Fish. Oh, Abe Bogota. Abe Bogota. Yeah. Yeah. He was only on the first four or five years.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Okay. I remember him on the show, though. And then he got his own show. Actually. Right. Called fish. Called fish. Right. Yeah. How Lyndon.
Starting point is 00:12:13 How was, was Barney Miller? Yes. Yeah. Bill Kicking. Still kicking? Oh my God, do you know how old he is? Ninety-something?
Starting point is 00:12:24 94. Do you know what his actual real name is? No. Harold Lipschitz. Okay. Grew up in the Bronx. Got that name changed to Lyndon and became an actor. Yeah, that show was just odd, but it's really subtly funny. and the guy Harris, whose name in real life, hold on, let me pull it from the cast.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Ron Glass. Ron Glass, very good. He was really funny, subtly funny. Yes. Yeah, he's dead. It was a good show. Worth watching the reruns if you're out there and you're ever going to see. Steve Landisburg was on that show.
Starting point is 00:13:08 Landsberg was on that show. He was my favorite character. Jack Sue was the Asian guy that I was talking about. God, all these. And the best episode ever was with Jack Sue was when Wojo brings in some brownies that his girlfriend made that it turns out were laced with hash. Oh, my God. And everybody's high in the room.
Starting point is 00:13:30 That's the greatest Barney Miller episode ever. You ever eat hash brownies? Not, I've, uh, I've, I, many, many, many years ago. I, I experienced. I experienced that. Did you ever have... I was talking about this with my boys over the break because they didn't really experience this.
Starting point is 00:13:55 Did you ever have grain parties, grain alcohol parties? Oh, yeah, in a garbage can. Oh, yeah. With a bag in them. Oh, my God. I mean... Yeah, with a plastic garbage bag lining the garbage can. Yeah, you juice it up with some sort of juice.
Starting point is 00:14:12 And it was... I mean, literally it was blackout drunk. Yeah, it was insane. Insane. It's absolutely. I mean, I think grain alcohol is like in the, you know, what is it? 50, 60, 70 percent ABV, something like that, probably. I mean, I do remember, you know, there were people over the years that died from grain
Starting point is 00:14:39 alcohol, you know, from that kind of alcohol level in the bloodstream. I don't know what level it has to be in the bloodstream before you basically, you know, are dead. Crain alcohol. Oh, my God, usually around 95% ABV. This wasn't a grain alcohol party, but one time at the fraternity, one of the guys brought some moonshine from home. Yeah. And one of the fraternity brothers drank so much of it that basically in my bathroom, I had to hold his head to the side for at least an hour. What's the most drunk you've ever been in your life? And the most drunk or the most high you've ever been in your life?
Starting point is 00:15:28 That's a hell of an in my story. I have one particular drunk story. And then the other story, I'll just tell you, was shrooms. And that's all I'm going to say. but the true alcohol poisoned episode of my life. I was at a bachelor party for my cousin's husband or fiancé. This would have been early to mid-90s, I'm guessing. And I was in the wedding.
Starting point is 00:15:59 My cousin was one of four girls, and I was the oldest male cousin, and I was close to my cousins growing up, and she had me in the wedding. So I went to his bachelor party. And it was at a restaurant downtown. And it was like a January night where it was frigid, like 12 degrees outside. And parked the car, went in. And all I can tell you is that it was a great bachelor party in this restaurant.
Starting point is 00:16:28 They had rented out this entire, you know, bar and room. And after a lot of tequila, and it was a lot of tequila, too much tequila. I just remember waking up in the kitchen of this restaurant bar on the floor, shivering, surrounded by basically everything that it exited my stomach during the night. Oh, my God. But the worst part was yet to come. I'm sitting there. They obviously lost me or left me.
Starting point is 00:17:07 but I was in the back, I was in the kitchen of the restaurant. I have no recollection of getting there. But the worst part and the part I'll never forget is the following morning, trying to find my car walking out of this restaurant in 12 degree weather. No coat. I had lost my coat. And I thought I was going to freeze to death because I couldn't find my car. And, you know, it's not like you had a key back then that you could keep hitting to hear
Starting point is 00:17:36 you know, the car unlock. And I'm walking block by block over and over again, looking for it. And I'm about to freeze to death because it was also like a Sunday morning at that point, because it was like a Saturday night, you know, Bachelor party. So it's not like the roads are filled. It's not like there are a lot of places you can walk in to get warm. And I finally found the car. And I think I was probably 20 minutes away from hypothermia, maybe less than that.
Starting point is 00:18:04 That was the My own bachelor party My friends will tell you that I was really Really in bad shape But I remember that night Start to finish This was truly blackout And probably in danger at some point
Starting point is 00:18:25 But you know We were young We survived Well I've called the worst one before Tell me it again Probably the most impactful one When you burned down your fraternity else. I was a drunk as I was been.
Starting point is 00:18:38 But this was in East Trousburg. I wasn't going to college yet. It was Christmas Eve, 1972, and I had a date for midnight mass. I was going to take this girl. Date for midnight mass? Yeah, we were going to go out after. And I had a couple bottles of wine in the car that we were going to drink, and I was going to open my Christmas present early.
Starting point is 00:19:02 You know? So, but first I was hanging out with my guys that night, my boys, and we went Christmas car on different people's houses. And we drank shots at every stop. I do remember this now. Yeah. Yeah. So by the time I got into my car, the head for the church, I was pretty much a mess and shouldn't have been driving. Of course not.
Starting point is 00:19:25 But it was 1972. Yes. Yeah. I wound up at the wrong church. and I couldn't find a place to park, so I parked right on the front lawn, right in front of a sign that they usually have on the church that tells you when all the different schedule of Mass. Oh my God. I parked right there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Went inside, and Midnight Mass is already underway. And fortunately for me, a girl I went to high school with her, she was there because her father was the pastor. So she got me under control. she sat me down and I kept wanted to sing different hymns than everyone was singing and people were looking at me
Starting point is 00:20:07 this is Christmas Eve and a shirt Oh my God Okay And then everyone comes out After the mass And there's my car Right at the bottom of the steps
Starting point is 00:20:18 Oh my God Okay What kind of car was it? Now It was a Chevel It was like a 69 68 Chevel Uh
Starting point is 00:20:27 Not not particularly hot but now I can't find the keys. Cars locked. Can't find the keys. The pastor and his whole family are on their hands and knees in the grass. Looking for the keys to my car. And you're hammered. Yes.
Starting point is 00:20:46 Yes. And so you never found the keys. Who drives me home? But this pastor. The priest. Drive me home. Sure. Helps me up the stairs and delivers me to my house.
Starting point is 00:20:58 on Christmas Eve, a man of God. What about... I am going straight to hell for this. What about the date? Oh, I don't even know what happened to her. Yeah. I don't even remember. I mean, it was, you know, we weren't boyfriend, girlfriend.
Starting point is 00:21:13 It was just an opportunity, you know? Oh, man. And did you ever... And what happened? Did you find the key? Was there a spare key? No, I had to get locksmith. Okay.
Starting point is 00:21:24 The next day, they had masses, you know, all morning. Right, they had to move the car. I'm there with a locksmith trying to get the car open. That's so funny. Man. Yeah, I'm going to hell for that one. Yeah. Well, you know what?
Starting point is 00:21:41 It's just like 1972. Everybody's down, looking for the keys, and then the priest takes you home. And then you got a locksmith that shows up on Christmas morning. That is, that's East Strasbourg. The funny part was, I mean, I was at a high school, I was working at the time. So my parents, I was living at home, though. I mean, my parents didn't give me any grief at all because they operated on the
Starting point is 00:22:10 premise. I was 18. I was working. I was paying rent, you know, minimal amount. I was paying rent. I was pretty much on my own. You know, it's not like, it's not like I caught hell for that. Well, it was Christmas Day, too.
Starting point is 00:22:25 So everybody doesn't, you know. I mean, the family fighting in the confrontations usually start late on Christmas Day, not early. They're just happy you're alive, I'm sure, in that moment. Yeah. All right. I guess we have some sports to talk about. There's been a lot going on in the last few days. What started this conversation?
Starting point is 00:22:48 Buckys, Buckees started the conversation. Yes. Right. The next time I'm on a road trip down south, I am going to find a Buckees. But before I stop in at Buckies, I'm going to make sure that I drink a lot of coffee and a lot of water and I've really got to go badly when I get there. All right. Let's get to some O.C. D.C. and some Marshawn Latimore talk right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey, guys, Chime is changing the way people bank. It's fee-free and smarter banking built for most of us, not the 1%. Chime's not just another banking app. Chime Unlocked smarter banking for everyday people with products like MyPay,
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Starting point is 00:26:16 Please tell them that I sent you. So, it's been a busy newsday as it relates to our team. both directly and indirectly. We'll start with this. Marshawn Latimore was arrested last evening in Northeast Ohio on charges of carrying a concealed weapon and improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle. The team says that they are aware of the situation and have been made aware of the situation and have shared their information with the league.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Mark. Marshawn Latimore, this has been a no-brainer since the moment he got injured and ruled out for the rest of the year. He's not going to play for this team next year. They were going to cut him loose. It is an $18.5 million salary cap savings by releasing him. This has been like a no-brainer all along that Marshaun Latimore is going to get released. I think, you know, Duran Payne, Nick Allegretti are kind of the others that are up in the air. I think Duran's going to get released. Duran's got the biggest salary cap number next year, $28 million plus. I don't think he played anywhere near that level, and I don't think they think he's going to play anywhere near that level. So there's a huge salary cap savings for him, Lattimore, and Allegretti to a lesser extent, and those have been the three that we've talked about since the beginning, as more likely than not releases.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Duran's going to be interesting. Steve Souter thinks that he'd move on from him immediately, I think he had some games down the stretch that probably were encouraging, but I don't know that they'll pay for the inconsistency. So my guess is to run will get cut. You can't have a guy who has moments. Yeah, not for that kind of money. No, you can't have a guy who has a moment.
Starting point is 00:28:13 You need something more. Yeah. But if he's gone, that will be amazing. That great front floor that we celebrated, all of them will have been gone. And the one who's doing the best is now Chase Young in New Orleans. Turning into a monster in New Orleans at 26 years old. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Montez-Souet will be playing, you know, a big role for Chicago in the postseason starting Saturday night. Yeah. But he's not, he's not the player, everyone thought he was going to be. Right. No, you're right. So Marshawn Latimore's arrest, you know, and I mean, these are charges. I'm sure we'll get updates on these, but he's not going to be a part of the team moving forward. Now, the big news today is that Mike McDaniel got fired in Miami.
Starting point is 00:29:08 What's interesting about the reporting, and God, man, all of the big time reporters, Schaefter, Breer, all of them are adamant that Stephen Ross did not cut Mike McDaniel loose because John Harbaugh is available. Okay, I'll believe the reporting. I mean, to me, if you're going to cut Mike McDaniel loose at this point, it's because John Harbaugh became available and you're going to pursue him. But we'll see how that shakes out. For us, obviously the story here is what if Mike McDaniel doesn't get a head coaching job?
Starting point is 00:29:43 And I think there's still a chance he could with the openings that we have. would Washington be the team that would make a move to bring him on to be the offensive coordinator? For me, Tommy, this is a no-brainer. He's at the top of the list if he's actually available to be an offensive coordinator. And I think we've talked about this, but for those that haven't heard it, if you don't know this, Mike McDaniel was with Dan Quinn and Kyle Shanahan in Atlanta. Remember before the game against Miami in Madrid, McDaniel just, he talked about how important Dan Quinn was in his life. I'm going to read you the quote from back in November in Madrid because Mike McDaniel had suffered and had dealt with alcoholism as he was, you know, coaching in various places. and he said about Dan Quinn, quote, he was there, ground zero when I became sober and supported me and believed in me and gave me the opportunity to continue what I love to do. For that, I'll forever be
Starting point is 00:30:57 indebted to him. I think it speaks to the type of man he is and the type of leader he is that I know. He touches every player he coaches from a true, authentic standpoint, and I think the commanders are very fortunate to have him closed quote he was not the OC in Atlanta he worked for Kyle's staff Kyle was the OC when they went to the Super Bowl with Matt Ryan being the MVP in 2016 Mike McDaniel of course was part of the Mike Shanahan group here in DC you and I I think it was you and I met him once when we were doing a show out in our studio at the park and had a long conversation and I remember saying, I have no idea who that dude was, but he's really interesting and he's really smart.
Starting point is 00:31:46 And I asked Mike about him like a year later. And he said, oh, yeah, yeah, he's going to be a head coach one day. This would be, you know, the perfect fit, Jaden Daniels. I can't imagine other than the Baltimore situation with Lamar Jackson. That would be the comparable OC opportunity for Mike McDaniel. Maybe it's the head coaching opportunity for, Mike McDaniel, who knows. But that to me should be number one on the list for Dan Quinn.
Starting point is 00:32:17 Now, I don't know that that speaks to them having a solution when they fired Cliff Kingsbury already in place. I think I have a sense as to what one of the potential solutions was going to be when they moved on from Kingsbury. And maybe McDaniel was on that list if he gets fired. but I think the other possibility is somebody that's already inside their building. Tommy, I said to you the other day that the only thing on all of this that I think I feel good about is that they'd like to bring on somebody that has familiarity with Jaden Daniels.
Starting point is 00:32:57 When you go through the list of all of the people that we've talked about, you know, from the Mike McDaniels to the Bobby Sloics to the Clay Cubiacs, Kubiaks, Mike LaFleurs, Zach Robinson, anybody on Liam Cohen's staff, Darrell Bevel, Brian Dable, Todd Monkin, Kevin Stefansky, none of those people, from what I can find, have ties to Jaden Daniels. The only people that have those ties are people like his former offensive coordinator at LSU who's at Notre Dame, I mentioned his name yesterday, and people who are inside the building. Anthony Lynn, Brian Johnson, David Blow.
Starting point is 00:33:38 We all know anybody in town who, you know, has any sort of, you know, pipeline into what's going on, have been telling you for multiple years now since they hired David Blow that everybody swears that this guy's the next thing, that he's the next, you know, OC and eventual head coach. Played in Detroit, never really played, but was with Ben Johnson as a player, came here, they hired him. Detroit's already reached out because they want to interview him to replace Johnny Morton as their offensive coordinator. I think right now it is kind of a co-favorite situation. Mike McDaniel, if he's actually available to be an OC, and David Blow would be my
Starting point is 00:34:25 co-favorits to replace Cliff Kingsbury as the new offensive coordinator in Washington. Now, on Blow for a moment, Tommy. It's possible that David Blow would rather be an offensive coordinator somewhere else. I mean, maybe back in Detroit where he played and where he has a good feel for that group. Now, would you want Jared Goff or would you want Jaden Daniels as your quarterback if you're going to be a first time O.C? I think at this point, I'd want Jaden Daniels. Jared Goff's great, but he's also an older quarterback. So you've got a limited shelf life there. I'd rather tie my wagon to Jaden Daniels, I would think. But that's what I would say right now.
Starting point is 00:35:10 With McDaniel's availability, the relationship that he has with Dan Quinn, I could see a Mike McDaniel, Dan Quinn, even a Rahim Morris or a Jeff Ulbrick trio for next year. But I also think... If Dan Quinn, if Dan Quinn can pull off a scenario where Mike McDaniel is your offensive coordinator. Rahim Morris is your defensive coordinator. Nobody will remember
Starting point is 00:35:39 who they replaced. Right? I mean, that's an all-star trio right there. I think Rahim, if Chris Shula leaves L.A. will end up going to L.A. back with Sean where he won a Super Bowl as the defensive coordinator. But I don't know that for sure.
Starting point is 00:35:55 I think it would be it's not six and one half dozen the other. It's probably advantage Rams if that were a choice for him. You know, some people think Rahim could still get one of these head coaching jobs. Yes, they do. So that's the issue.
Starting point is 00:36:10 Jeff Ulbrook is a very good defensive coordinator was with Rahim in Atlanta, was with Quinn and Rahim in Atlanta. You know, they interviewed or requested an interview with Patrick Graham. He's not part of the Quinn tree. But I think... He's an interesting guy.
Starting point is 00:36:27 Very interesting. Patrick Graham, you read his story. He's remarkable. I mean, I'm... I'm real curious about him because he's got such a remarkable background. Ivy League guy, Ivy League player, Yale, and then in the NFL with Belichick for seven seasons in New England. Yeah. Before becoming a D.C. in Miami, the Giants for two years, and then with the Raiders for the last four.
Starting point is 00:36:54 I think when you said no one would remember, definitely with McDaniel. if he ends up hiring Mike McDaniel I mean I think even our fans who I don't know if it's a majority it's not majority but the loudest on social media who want everybody fired I think they'd even have to take a step back and say okay
Starting point is 00:37:19 all right yeah I mean that puts a stop to all the anger and that's a woe moment when he became available, that's a game changer moment for half the teams in the league
Starting point is 00:37:36 in one way or another. You know? Yeah. So, yes, I think that, that's a game changer that changes the whole conversation from Quinn being, you know, failing after two years
Starting point is 00:37:52 to have its two top coordinators, you know, get rid of them, the turning around and turning that into Mike McDaniel. Now, here's the deal with Mike McDaniel. If he comes here, he is a head coach in an offensive coordinator's uniform. And if next year, let's just say, Jaden is upright for 17 games, Terry is healthy. It's a healthier season for this football team.
Starting point is 00:38:23 And they're really good offensively, and they win more games than they lose, and they make it to the postseason. And let's just say that part of that context is that the defense wasn't very good again. You know, it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't very good. It was another offensive lead 10, 11 win season, and they're in the postseason. What do you do at that point when Mike McDaniel starts getting head coaching overtures to leave Washington and be a head coach somewhere else if you're Josh Harris? You can't fire your head coach.
Starting point is 00:38:57 after a successful season because you're afraid of losing the great offensive court. You just can't do that. Look, they had the same possibility they thought would Cliff Kingsbury. Everyone thought he was a short-timer because he would have success and people would hire him as a head coach. You know, so I don't think you can operate fear of this guy leaving or losing him. I'm not talking about how you operate now.
Starting point is 00:39:25 I'm asking you if we got to that situation a year. year from now. And Mike McDaniel and Jaden Daniels had made magic in 2026. And they were a top three, four offense. And they were an offensive lead juggernaut like they were in 2024. And now Mike McDaniels getting, look, Cliff Kingsbury probably should have taken the New Orleans job last year. One of the reasons he didn't is he was still being paid as a head coach by Arizona. And he wanted to stay and make an even deeper run this year with, Jayden Daniels, and he probably didn't see the New Orleans situation as a great one because they didn't have a quarterback, although I think they might have one now with Tyler Shuck, but that's another story altogether. I think that when you get to the end of next year, I'm not asking about operating in fear or no fear now.
Starting point is 00:40:16 I'm talking about what do you think could happen if they ended up winning a bunch of games, but the defense wasn't very good, and it was clear that it was a Mike McDaniel, you know, offensive-led season. You can't do that. Why? That's not the way you can do business. Why? This is, okay, let's go back in time. Would you have fired Jay Gruden to hire Sean McVeigh from the Jay Gruden staff?
Starting point is 00:40:45 I wouldn't have, but coolly suggested it when Sean McVey was a tight ends coach. I've told that story a million times on the show. Right. He said, I love Jay. I'd fire him and I'd make Sean McVeigh the head coach right now when he was a I don't think you can do that. I mean, that's a terrible way to do business. I just think it's a little bit reprehensible.
Starting point is 00:41:08 Okay. But that's just me. Okay. Well, you know what? Let's get to that situation. That would be a good problem to have. I hope that's the challenge next year. I hope that's the conversation next year.
Starting point is 00:41:24 I really do. You know, look, I'm going to beat this to death for some of you that hate when I say this. Cliff Kingsbury is a good offensive coordinator. Cliff Kingsbury had an elite season in 2024 and outkick the coverage in 2025, period. Full stop, as they say, as the kids say. And it's okay that Quinn wants to move on because stylistically or system-wise, he wants something new. he just better be right. If part of being right or if part of this move was in the back of his mind,
Starting point is 00:42:02 he believed there was a good chance Mike McDaniel would get fired and take the job here as an OC, man, I mean, you got to give Quinn a lot of credit if that was the plan all along. Yeah. Because I like Kingsbury, but I'll take Mike McDaniel over Kingsbury for sure. And as far as Mike McDaniel, you got going to Baltimore. to work with Lamar Jackson. He doesn't know who his head coach is going to be in Baltimore right now.
Starting point is 00:42:31 That's going to take some time, maybe. Fair point. This may all take some time. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I would imagine Mike McDaniel's not going to commit to anything right now. He's going to see how many people reach out to want to interview him to be a head coach. Yes.
Starting point is 00:42:48 Okay. Let's get really nuts for a minute. Okay. You fired Dan Quinn to hire John Harbaugh. Oh, God. This was the call. segment that my producer and I were talking about doing yesterday and today. They're not going to do that.
Starting point is 00:43:03 What would you? I think the Harbaugh thing's so interesting. Before I answer that question, don't you think it's interesting how, in almost any aspect of life, you can be somewhere no matter how successful, too long. and if you're not the owner, you're, Andy Reid, this happened to Andy Reed in Philadelphia. Now, he did not win a Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:43:33 John Harbaugh did. He got to a Super Bowl. But remember, Andy Reed was a godsend to Philadelphia. I mean, you know, you had Buddy Ryan, you had some of those years. But Andy Reid led them to their longest stretch of being a contending team. And he was there 14 seasons.
Starting point is 00:43:52 and then it just kind of were itself out. And everybody wanted something new. They get tired of seeing the face. They get tired of hearing the voice. Yeah. And it just wears. And it's, you know, I wonder if it's the fan base as much as the owner. Of course it is.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Yeah. Of course it is. It certainly was in Philadelphia. You know, I mean, all of a sudden they weren't happy, you know, winning 10 or 11 games. And being in the NFC championship game, you know, five times or whatever it was in Philly. Yeah. It got old. I mean, it's the same old story.
Starting point is 00:44:36 I mean, this happens in a lot of, you know. Answer the question. Will the witness answer the question? Yes. Yes. I think so. I mean, come on. It's John Harbaugh.
Starting point is 00:44:55 He's a proven winner. He's also a proven, you know, culture guy, like Dan Quinn. You know, whatever you want to say about Dan Quinn, everybody in that sport says he is a proven culture builder and culture keeper. You saw evidence of that this year, I think.
Starting point is 00:45:18 I don't know, Tommy. Would you? I think I would. Yeah. I think I would. No. Because that would be telling me I made a mistake about the guy hired to be a head coach. Well, based on what was available, it's not like you can say, hey, I'm going to wait to see if John Harbaugh becomes available in two years.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Jim Harbaugh was available. You have to. Could have to Harbaugh. Look, I wanted Vrabel. And I thought Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick should have been interviewed. Absolutely. I was not displeased with Quinn. I was fine with Quinn, but most of my Quinn was about knowing that they really.
Starting point is 00:45:55 liked Quinn. But Vrable was the one that if he had been available, and we talked about Harbaugh, we talked about Belichick, we talked about all those guys. Maybe. But remember... They'd have to go back and consult the hiring committee first. Well, remember the thing about Belichick Harbaugh, and even Vrabel, where Vrable, you know, works with Elliot Wolf in New England, but really Vrable's the final voice,
Starting point is 00:46:22 is that Josh Harris and Mitchell Rails and company, he wanted to go a more traditional route for the first time, which is hire the general manager first and then hire the head coach with the general manager, you know, being the lead, even though they had the Bob Myers, you know, Rick Spielman, whatever they call that group tank, think. But there are some candidates that trump that process. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:51 I don't know. It's not a possibility. There's no way they would ever. do that. And I don't even know that John Harbaugh, you know, when you've been coaching one place for 18 years, I heard, I read some things about that breakup. Like, apparently it was the hardest thing for both of them, you know, Bashati and Harbaugh. Like they, that's a tough thing to do when you're together and you experience that. But like with, you know, Andy Reid in Philadelphia, the expectations get to the point where if you're not living up to those expectations
Starting point is 00:47:28 year and year out, it grows old. Oh, I have one quick question for you. Do you think if John Harbaugh were injected with Truth Serum, he would tell you that they'd have another Super Bowl had they stuck with Joe Flacco? No. I think he would. I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Lamar has not been a big game clutch postseason performer. He's even admitted that he gets a little tight. You know who never would ever admit that he gets tight doing anything? Joe Flacco, Hahn. Joe Flacco. The champion of the uncuttered mind. He's the champion of the unc cluttered mind for sure. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:17 All right. So how are we leaving this conversation? Did we... Mike McDaniel is... is a big win, and that should be their top priority. I'm open to anything after that, but everything else is down the list. Mike McDaniel's my number one without question. I would just tell you that I think if I were an odds maker,
Starting point is 00:48:47 I would make Mike McDaniel minus, not minus, plus 175. and David Blow like plus 190 somewhere in there. And then whomever is next on the list is down there, like plus 600 or longer shot. I think that there's a real desire if you don't get a star like Mike McDaniel to have somebody that Jaden's familiar with. Because keep in mind, and Ben reminded me of this today on radio. You know, there was this episode of Hard Knocks this week, you know, the NFC East. I don't know if you watched any of it. I watched like the first three episodes and I kind of missed, I think, the last two.
Starting point is 00:49:35 But my producer played this clip for me on the show yesterday where David Blow is addressing the quarterback room and he's asking each of the three quarterbacks, Josh Johnson, Marcus Marietta and Jaden Daniels to kind of talk about what they have gratitude for after this, you know, tough season and they all answered the question. And I was just, Ben pointed out, he's like, there's a really good possibility that, you know, Cliff Kingsbury, Marcus Marriota, Josh Johnson are gone because Marcus Marriota is probably going to follow Cliff Kingsbury. I think that that's a pretty good bet, you know, depending on where he lands and the opportunity. But if he were to land, let's just say in Cleveland as the head coach, Marcus Mariotta, is your starting quarterback in Cleveland next year with that defense.
Starting point is 00:50:29 If he were to land in Baltimore, probably not. You know, maybe, maybe he ends up being the backup to Lamar, knowing that Lamar gets hurt a lot and that you've got the opportunity to play. But are they going to leave Jaden in a room with nobody that he's been with for the last two years? Tevita Pritchard's gone. Cliff Kingsbury's gone. Mariotta and Josh Johnson are probably going to be gone. That's why the David Blow thing makes a lot of sense to me.
Starting point is 00:51:00 That's a good point. In combination with this guy's been discussed as the next offensive coaching star for a few years. You're forgetting about the most important guy that needs to be here. Sam Hartman? Yes. I knew you're going to say that. Shaden's buddy. As long as Saden has Sam Hartman around, don't you worry about that,
Starting point is 00:51:25 room. Tommy, I got this email yesterday from Will who said, hold on, where is it? Will wrote, Kevin, I was thinking about old Danny boy. If Snyder was still the owner, would Dan Quinn be the coach today? And my immediate thought was no, because Jaden's mom would have called Dan, she would have had total access to Dan and she would have said Cliff is staying. My son wants Cliff. And he would have called up Adam Peters who wouldn't have been here if Dan was here anyway, but let me play it out.
Starting point is 00:52:07 And he would have said, fire Quinn and make Cliff the head coach. And if you don't do it, Adam, you're gone. Think about the Jaden's mom who, by the way, by all accounts, It's incredibly smart, you know, and not what we had here 13 years ago, not suggesting that at all. But if Snyder were here, he would have allowed that level of access with his star quarterback. Yes. The only thing that gets in a way is how long is Quinn's deal, how much we'd have to pay Quinn? Because, you know, it's not like he's fighting. I mean, he didn't fire.
Starting point is 00:52:47 No, towards the end, you're right. You're right. You're right. but don't you think of Jaden Daniels would have totally rejuvenated his involvement level? Oh, absolutely. Oh, my God, it would be like nothing. It would be the Buckees of Dan Snyder's involvement. Without the clean bathrooms. Yeah. Yeah, because there's no way they would have managed the place like the Buckees people do.
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Starting point is 00:55:16 Shelley's back room at 13. By the way, today, I forgot to mention, is Elvis Presley's birthday. Ooh. This is the day Elvis was born, January 8th. Let me guess the year. Let me guess the year. 1940. I think it's 38. 38.
Starting point is 00:55:35 Okay. Yeah. I think it's 1938. I could be wrong on that. What was this first big hit? Town Dogg? No, no. It's all right, Mom.
Starting point is 00:55:48 It was a Mama Thornton. Okay. Like most of his songs were covers of black song. What year? 55? Maybe 55. So he was like 17 years old? Maybe something like that.
Starting point is 00:56:02 I could be off on telling it. Okay. But I'm not off on his birthday. January 8th is Elvis. You were wrong about the year. I can tell you something. You were wrong about the year. 36?
Starting point is 00:56:13 35. 35. Okay. Okay. You know, he's buried at Graceland. Yeah. And his twin brother, who died at childbirth, is buried there as well. Oh, I didn't know that.
Starting point is 00:56:27 Yeah. By the way, I was just thinking, yes. Is Lisa Marie, she died, right? I think so. Very young. Maybe we should check that out first. Put your staff on it.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Priscilla Presley. Priscilla Presley, is. is still alive. She's 80 years old. Oh, yeah, she died. She died at 54 years old. In 2020, in 2023. My point about Elvis is, if Elvis had been alive today, okay? If he'd lived a long life, he'd be a Shelley's customer. He would be a kind of celebrity who would wind up at Shelley.
Starting point is 00:57:16 Right. There's a good chance that if Elvis were alive and you walked in the Shelly's, if he was in town, he'd be there. Okay. Because Shelly's attracts celebrities. Look, when the NBA comes through town, there's usually one or two guys from every visiting team who wind up in Kelly's back room. Yeah. It's not unusual. When baseball teams come through town, you see the same thing.
Starting point is 00:57:42 Okay, performers? Who are these guys big and rich? Remember these country western guys? I don't know big and rich. That doesn't even... Big and dumb or porn rich. Whoever they were. They used to...
Starting point is 00:57:55 Are you in the car again today? Are you in the car again today? You are, aren't you? Yes, because there's drilling going on outside our condo. Again, deafening drilling. Okay. Loud and deafening. So, again, it's the money pit situation.
Starting point is 00:58:12 Right. But Shelley, if you'd say... Stop by Shelly's, there's a chance that you could run into a celebrity, not an Elvis-like celebrity, but somebody who you say, wow, look, look who's over there, smoking a Stogie, okay? And you can smoke one right in the same place they do. Find out more at shelley's backroom.com. His first number one hit, 195, so we had the year, correct, and he would have been 20 years old,
Starting point is 00:58:43 born in 35, Heartbreak Hotel. Oh, okay. Okay. And it was the first of like multiple number ones in a row, including Don't Be Cruel Hound Dog. I want you, I need you, I love you, my baby left me. Blue Suede Shoes did not go.
Starting point is 00:59:02 There was a movie a few years ago about Elvis, one of many movies over the years. But this was a particularly good one with Tom Waits, Tom Waits. Yeah. Tom Hanks. Oh, because you love Tom. You love Tom Waits. Yes, I do.
Starting point is 00:59:17 I remember that. And he's been an actor and a lot of stuff. Okay. You know, as a kid and as a child of the 70s, I remember like these, you know, these prime time specials. My father loved Elvis. And these ABC primetime shows featuring Elvis in like Hawaii. you know, or Vegas, and it would be like a whole big deal. And, you know, this was when he was getting fat.
Starting point is 00:59:48 You know, my father saw Elvis at the Capitol Center in the year that he, I think the year or the year before he died, it was that last tour before he died. Died in 77. Died in 77. And I, you know, I remember my father telling me the next day, it was terrible. he was, you know, he wasn't well, he was overweight, he couldn't sing, the whole thing. Wow. You've never seen, you've never been to Graceland, have you?
Starting point is 01:00:20 Never. I toured it once. I mean, you know, it's not, for people who aren't Elvis fans, it may be less than impressive. Okay. But I thought it was pretty cool. All right. So, Trey Young to the Wizards. and he wanted to go to Washington.
Starting point is 01:00:41 Wow. All right, let's talk about this trade. So Trey Young gets traded to Washington for C.J. McCollum, an expiring contract, basically, and Corey Kisper. For those of you who aren't paying attention because it is the Wizards, you know, Trey Young in 2021 led Atlanta to the Eastern Conference finals. They actually had a one game to nothing lead over Milwaukee. this was the year the Bucks won the title, beating the sons, Giannis, leading the way. But they had a 1-0 leading.
Starting point is 01:01:14 He got hurt in game two, Trey Young did, and missed some time, didn't play the way he had. In game one, he had 48 points. The Hawks have never been to the NBA finals, not in my lifetime anyway. I don't know. I mean, when did they become a franchise? No, they've never been. No, no, I mean. They've never been to the NBA finals.
Starting point is 01:01:33 This was one of two times in, you know, modern era basketball. that they were in the Eastern Conference finals. So I'm going to give you my quick 60-second pitch on this, and then I want to hear what you say. Number one is this. I'm not a Trey Young fan. I feel the same way about him that I feel about James Harden. There is a way of playing basketball that I just disagree with,
Starting point is 01:01:58 and I can't stand watching. And it's the ISO, you know, it's the two-man, it's the three or four offensive players and their defenders standing around. and watching James Harden or Trey Young dribble the ball 47 times and wind the shot clock down and shoot a three or drive and get fouled. I'm not going to, for even a moment,
Starting point is 01:02:20 say that he isn't a gifted offensive player. He is. He's not a great shooter, though. He's a good shooter, and he's got range. I mean, you may be looking at his percentages. Shooting percentage is not very good. He's a good enough shooter for me. I mean, I'm not,
Starting point is 01:02:36 he shoots such high volume that, you know, but in terms of the stroke and the shot making and the playmaking, he's an elite level score and playmaker. He's also a terrible defender. I mean, a non-participant as a defender, and he's also just one of these guys that I get no joy in watching James Harden. He's number one on my list of players that over the, and remember how I couldn't stand watching Luca. I don't like watching Luca play. I don't like watching that style of basketball. James
Starting point is 01:03:12 Harden, by the way, plays for the Clippers, and he plays side by side with one of my all-time favorite players, who's been on an unbelievable run recently, Kauai Leonard. I mean, he's already, I think, won two NBA player of the weeks. He's headed for an all-star season.
Starting point is 01:03:28 As is, by the way, Tommy, let me digress for one moment. Denny Avdia. Denny Avdiya is having an all-star year. And he, I told, I said over and over again, he looks like a future All-Star to me at 19, 20, 21 years old. The Wizards disagreed. They traded him, and he's heading for an All-Star season, averaging 26, 7, and 7 in Portland. But here's the part of the trade that I just don't get. Atlanta people say, why would we let a four-time All-Star one of the greatest, you know, scores in dynamic offensive players in franchise history?
Starting point is 01:04:06 Street. Dominique, by the way, is way ahead of Trey Young on the greatest hawks list. But why would we do that for a veteran expiring contract in a mid-tier bench two-guard? Why would we do that? And then the Wizards people, and I had Josh Robbins, who covers the team for the athletic on my radio show the other day, I think it was on the radio show, not the podcast. And he said the only way the wizard should do this deal is if they get Picks back. Picks, plural, either a first round or at least two seconds. Nobody wants this dude.
Starting point is 01:04:44 And he's hurt, and the Wizards can't afford to win too many games. So I don't think he's going to play that much this year. They're going to use his injury as a way to sit him so that they don't end up with, you know, out of the first round. That would be the worst management part. They've done a nice job here, the first. couple of years. I'm not knocking what they've done. You know, from the Bradley Beal trade to the Chris Paul trade to all of these
Starting point is 01:05:11 picks that they've accumulated. And by the way, Sarr looks awesome. He's leading the league in block shots right now. Leads the NBA in block shots. George looks great. I've liked him from the jump. Trey Johnson looks awesome. You want to talk about Steph Curry range.
Starting point is 01:05:28 And I but I have a feeling that he's never going to be anything but the next chip that they use after next year when they pay them $49 million. But I don't know, it's a big press release for something that I don't really understand. Go ahead. I'm with you 100%. I mean, this is going to be your big investment.
Starting point is 01:05:52 This is going to be your anchor. This is the kind of player. You want to be the anchor of the rebirth of the franchise? No. No, I don't think so. But you mentioned the athletic, okay? Go and read the series. There's got to be four stories in the athletic about this trade today.
Starting point is 01:06:12 You would think that the wizards have basically turned garbage in the gold. The athletic coverage, it's almost like, it's Jesus Christ, okay. What? I don't know who you're referring to. There had to be a lot of articles written on this trade, right? There were. There were, at least four. at least four that I read.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Okay. And then they make it sound like this is the wizard's plan. This is all part of their plan. He's going to leave his team with these young players. He's going to be a great influence on them. You know, this is how they're going to, you know, finish the rebuild. I mean, just read. Do me a favor.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Read the athletic stuff today. And tell me it's not like it's like something written at it. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I'll tell you, the only person that I read on this. is David, because I actually really like reading David on the NBA, David Aldridge. And I didn't sense that in his story. I'll have to go back and see if I can find them again.
Starting point is 01:07:15 But it was just unbelievable. I mean, David's story, David's story, my first thought was, is he going to be here after next year or not? Because my guess would be not. This is one athletic story. if Young were to decline his $40 million player, $41 million, $49 million player option for the 26-27 season entering free agency in the upcoming summer, the Wizards would make a full push to resign him, according to a league source.
Starting point is 01:07:50 The organization believes in keeping the player under contract as opposed to losing him for nothing. The Wizards are excited about adding a pick and roll point card to play alongside the up-and-coming star. Young's dynamic passing can help open rookie sharpshooter Johnson. They believe they already employ some of the personnel to make up for Young's defensive shortcomings. That's interesting. Tsar leads the NBA blocks this season. Kulibali is the physical on the perimeter, but there's no guarantee Young hits free agency. He could pick up the option.
Starting point is 01:08:28 If he does, it gives the wizard's optionality too. If that's the case, the plan as of now would be to talk with Young and his representatives, check if this is the still team he wants to move play for and then move forward from there. They want this guy. Okay. Look, Tommy, let me just mention this. The players they've been drafting, there's some real. promise in some of these players.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Look, it's it looks like he's going to be a huge talent, especially defensively. I'm on board with you. I'm not ready. The other guys are interesting. Saar, to me, you can make a commitment on it. Well, I'm
Starting point is 01:09:14 very, very, and I was high on him last year, is George, and then I was high on Trey Johnson coming out of the draft. Kula Bali is really a good defender. They're not a very good defensive team, though. even though they've got a shot blocker and a defender in Kulibali. But I think that Saar, George, and Trey Johnson, those three,
Starting point is 01:09:35 Kulabali more is a role guy, but that there's real promise there. And look, the key, this is really important. They have to be in the 2026 NBA draft with a high pick. There's real promise in the 2026 NBA draft at the top. You know, the kid from BYU, DeBanza, 6-9, 610, he is having an unbelievable freshman year. Boozer at Duke, I'm just going to tell you guys right now, I don't think I want him. I'm not sure that that would be the guy that I want. I'm very interested to watch Coa Pete in Arizona develop, and then there's the kid,
Starting point is 01:10:15 Darren Peterson at Kansas. If they won too many games to potentially risk their first round, pick. Everything that they've done that's been promising would be erased with that. I mean, part of the problem is that C.J. McCollum was playing so well. That's why they've won five out of their last date. I mean, the dude's averaging 19 points a game and was on a roll recently. So maybe one of the reasons is we just want C.J. McCollum the hell out of here. With Trey Young, we can justify sitting him because he's hurt. We got to stop winning games.
Starting point is 01:10:57 They won again last night. They beat Orlando last night. I know. I know. They see this guy as their future, and that would be worried me. I don't think they do. If I was two or three people who were Wizards fans. I don't think they do. I'd be surprised if they see him.
Starting point is 01:11:16 Look, could he be a part of something? That's not with you. But God, just thinking about the style of play. unless, you know, at 27 years old, he, you know, he changes. And he doesn't need to be ball dominant, doesn't need to shoot 27 times a game. You know, I don't know. The NBA's weird. All right.
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Starting point is 01:13:58 As I mentioned in the open to the show, no smell test pick on tonight's game. I do kind of like Miami to win the game. I'm hoping Miami wins the game. I'd like to see Miami versus Indiana in the final. I'm not going to wager on anything tonight. I'm just going to sit back and watch it. It should be great. The old Miss story right now is incredible with Pete Golding taking over
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Starting point is 01:15:01 listener to this podcast, which you are. Again, DC Reload is the promo code. MyBooky does it right. They do it fairly. They offer everything you want on these two playoff games tonight and tomorrow night, and then all five of the wild card round playoff games. Every prop bet, every single opportunity, to bet these games. MyBooky offers in a fair pricing structure and a fair number structure. Again, mybooky.com, mybooky.ag promo code DC reload. I wanted to mention one thing before I get your pick. I was in a conversation the other day and I actually talked about it a little bit on radio, I think yesterday. But the O.C. conversation, A friend of mine basically said, this OC conversation is just whatever.
Starting point is 01:15:59 You've got the quarterback. I mean, anybody can make this guy, you know, great, and he's going to make the OC great. You know, and Cliff is a good offensive coordinator, but he's nothing without Jaden Daniels. Cliff's always had a quarterback wherever he's gone, including Kyler Murray, who was exciting there, but, you know, we know what the Kyler Murray story has evolved into a guy that doesn't really have the same work ethic, apparently that Jaden Daniels has. But he said, the real issue is what you've talked about all year. If they don't fix the defense, it doesn't matter what happens offensively.
Starting point is 01:16:35 The league has changed. And Tommy, I don't know if the league's changed or not, but this is an interesting year with so many defensive, dominant defensive teams leading their teams to a lot of wins and Super Bowl contention. In the NFC, you've got Seattle, you've got Philly, you've got the Rams. In the AFC, you've got Denver, you've got Houston. I personally think Houston right now is the best defensive team in the NFL. You've got the Jags who are playing great defense.
Starting point is 01:17:10 You have the chargers who are literally a team without an NFL offensive line, and they are in the playoffs, double-digit wins. If Washington doesn't improve defensively, nothing else matters. And the point is a good one because you can't, I don't think, pull off what you pulled off in 2024 if you have a terrible bottom barrel defense again. Every single time they took the field this year, for the most part, they were down two scores even before the game started because the defense was so bad. They can't put that pressure on the O.C. and the quarterback year and year out. Next year for me, in many ways, it's about Quinn's ability after picking, hopefully, the right offensive coordinator to fix the defense, to get the defensive coordinator right, and then with
Starting point is 01:18:03 Adam Peters, make sure that somehow they aren't the worst defensive team in recent memory. And I think all-time memory for this franchise, because it won't be pretty. You may be Dallas, you may be Cincinnati, you may be putting up points, and you may be putting up a lot of yards, but you're not going to win enough games with that level of defense this year. Last year is the exception to the rule. It still offense can carry you, maybe not to a Super Bowl without a defense, but last year winning 12 and winning two road playoff games without a defense,
Starting point is 01:18:39 that is a fluke. And they better fix the defense in the offseason. season. That's number one. All right. Who do you have in the Super Bowl? You know, I went back and looked at some of our picks, preseason picks. Oh, boy. For this year. Yeah. They're so bad. They're so bad. I had the Ravens versus the commanders in the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:19:06 Right. I had Jacksonville at the bottom of the AFC South. I had Chicago at the bottom of the NFC North at Seattle at the bottom of the NFC West I just absolutely I had the Chiefs over Washington in the Super Bowl you had Washington over the Ravens in the Super Bowl Yes
Starting point is 01:19:31 Oh my God But you know I'm looking at these right now I had the Steelers in the AFC championship game And said they're going to be the biggest overperformer I also had as the biggest underperformer, the Patriots. You had the Ravens over the Broncos, so you got that one right. You had Washington over the Packers in the NFC title game, and I had Washington over the 49ers.
Starting point is 01:20:04 Yeah, not much good from our preseason predictions. Yeah, actually the AFC championship, I had the Ravens over to Broncos. Right. Yeah. Yes. Because you had Washington over the Ravens in the Super Bowl. Yes. Yes. Anyway, in this year's Super Bowl, I have no idea. So I'm going to go with the Seattle Seahawks.
Starting point is 01:20:28 Over? Because of their defense. The Seattle Seahawks over the New England Patriots. Okay. Seattle over New England. You know, my preseason prop bets on over unders. They all cashed the other day. I had the Steelers over eight and a half. That was a winner. I had the 49ers over 10 and a half and the Rams over nine and a half. All three of those were
Starting point is 01:20:55 winners. The losers were Washington over nine and a half, not even close. And the Patriots under eight and a half, not even close. But I won three out of the five. And so I ended up winning money on my preseason. Prop bets. Pittsburgh was the big one. That was my biggest play on that. All right. Seattle over New England in the
Starting point is 01:21:22 Super Bowl. That would be a rematch from that crazy ending back in 2014. Yeah. All right. Enjoy the weekend. I hope the Jack Hammers subside and we'll talk on Tuesday. Okay, boss. I'll be back
Starting point is 01:21:38 tomorrow. Jay Gruden will join me. I'll have smell test picks. and a preview of all five of the NFL Wild Card weekend games.

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