The Kevin Sheehan Show - Montana

Episode Date: June 23, 2020

Kevin and Thom on a weird trip today. It started with pain meds before turning towards Joaquin Phoenix, Yellowstone, and then Montana. They talked baseball, Bertans, and Bobby Mitchell too. And there was more....lots more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. A Sports Fix Tuesday, Tommy, by phone. I'm in studio.

And we've got so much to catch up on because it's been since Thursday since we talked. I didn't do a podcast yesterday. I did plan to take the day off. I would have had to take the day off anyway. For those of you that already heard me regale about my back injury from the weekend, you can check out for 20 seconds. But I wrecked my back, Tommy. You've known me for a long time, and you remember some of those days in studio where I had some back issues and I'd have to stand up and almost do the show standing up every once in a while. I haven't had this happen to me in a long time.

It's been a couple of years since I got myself. into position where it's hard for me to sit, it's hard for me to drive for more than 15 minutes. I'm on everything right now. I'm on a super anti-inflammatory. I've got some pain meds like you did. I'm not going to tell you which ones because it's very, very sensitive information, very private. But I have not been in this much bat. For those of you that are just joining the program, I've had two lower back surgeries, but both of those were more than 10 years ago now. You know, I had two lower back L5S1 dyskeptomies. And, you know, Mike Orthopedic at the time told me, look,

you're going to end up having to get your back fused at some point. And he sort of suggested then it could be, you know, you'll get another decade out of this, hopefully, as long as you don't do stupid things and keep your core strong and all these different things, which I haven't done consistently. But oh my God, I knew exactly what the issue was. If I'm in a car for a long period of time and I get out and I go basically right to the first T, which is what happened Sunday, without Advil, without sort of warming up,

then I'm at risk. And by about the fifth or sixth hole, I was in trouble Sunday, so much so that I did have to get some of these pain meds. But I'm good right now. I feel really good. You know what I just found out about my studio? here and the table in which I have my microphone and my desktop and a lot of different equipment. I just found that this is a stand or sit table. Do you have one of those? Everything I own is sit.

Everything I own is sit. Because sitting is the new smoking. Tommy might, I didn't have it plugged in. but there's been this thing on the edge of the table, this little button thing with an up arrow and a down arrow. And I've always wondered what the hell it was. Well, apparently this table goes up and it comes down. If you want to stand and work, you can stand and work, or you can put it down and you can sit in work.

It just hadn't been plugged in yet. So I, you know, we had some phone issues here, and so I had the guy in and he was fixing the phone. And so he said, hey, you know, you're up, down, Stan Sit isn't plugged in. Did you know that? Did you even know you had that? I said, I had no idea. So this is really cool because I can, I don't know if you can hear this or not. I can hear you. Can you hear that noise? That's going up. No, I don't hear that noise. Then it comes down. Oh, I know you hear me.

Anyway, I'm able to stand now and do the show, which is good news today while I'm recovering, which I'm going to be fine. No need to feel any empath. towards me, I'm going to be fine. I've never, yesterday was a planned day off. So I have still never missed a day of work for any injury and maybe only one or two for sickness over the last 16 or 17 years. I'm proud of that, as you know. You know, you sound like a train wreck.

All the time. I know. You're stuck like you've done something. Right. Well, you know, the meds are helping this morning. The meds are helping. Got a little painkiller in me. Again, I would, if you had shared your painkiller information with me, you know, a few months ago,

I'd be wide open to sharing it with you, but I'm not going to because I was very upset. Well, listen, listen, wait a couple of days and the DEA starts knocking on your door, buddy. Right. Then you'll be sorry. I wanted to tell you because I mentioned this to you before we got started. and I asked you if you had seen a movie that I watched over the weekend for the first time. The name of the movie is The Master. It's with Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman and Amy Adams.

And there's probably another person that I'm forgetting. It's one of those Paul Thomas Anderson movies. I had never seen it. I'm a big Joaquin Phoenix fan. I really loved The Joker. I forgot if we talked about that or not. I'm assuming that we did. I think the Joker was outstanding in terms of a Waukeenekin'I.

Phoenix's latest movie. I had never seen The Master. And my son, Corbyn, said to me, you've got to watch this movie. And so for whatever reason, I sat down and I watched the movie over the weekend. And I've heard how great this movie is. Now, you saw it, you've seen it, and you really liked it, right? It's from 2013, 2012, something like that it was made. 2012, basically, look, I like pretty much almost. everything Paul Thomas Anderson does. Brilliant. He did There Will Be Blood. One of my favorites.

Tremendous movie. The master I loved. Philip Seymour Hoffman was... God rest the soul. It may have been his best performance ever. And it's sort of like loosely based on an Elrod Hubbard kind of character.

You know, the whole dionetic thing? Yeah. Scientology. You know, he's kind of, he's kind of that kind of character, an L. Rod Hubbard kind of figure. You're saying Philip Seymour Hoffmer. Yeah, because it's very cultish. Yes. So you really liked it.

Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, it's emotionally, it's an emotional investment, you know. And not everybody who I know people who have watched it who didn't. like it. But for me, I mean, now I want to see it again. So I will tell you that the first hour and a half was phenomenal. And, you know, you're just sitting there mesmerized by another one of these incredible walking Phoenix, you know, performances. But also the movie's so interesting. And you see, you know, Philip Seymour Hoffman as his character. He's basically,

you know, this know everything, figured it all out, you know, past lives, future lives, the whole thing, guru that's got a mini cult going, you know, from town to town. And he has taken on Joaquin Phoenix as sort of a client, if you will, but somebody he's gotten very close to by accident. You know, Joaquin Phoenix has this major drinking problem. He's a World War II Pacific veteran. And he sort of stumbles on. to Philip Seymour Hoffman's boat. Well, it wasn't his boat, as we found out later. But I loved, like, I'm riveted for the first hour and 40 minutes. And then the last 20 minutes or last half hour came. And I still can't figure out why it ended so, for those of you that

haven't seen it, I don't mean to ruin it for you. And you may have a completely different interpretation anyway, but I thought it was such a weak ending to what was a great movie. By the way, Rami Malik's in it too. This was Rami Malik right after he did the Pacific, and before, obviously, he became the big star with Bohemian Rhapsody in the last year and a half. But I just didn't, I just didn't get the, I mean, we understand Tommy that Freddie Quill, which is the character played by Joaquin Phoenix ends up essentially, you know, breaking free of Philip Seymour Hoffman's, you know, lock, if you will. And he decides to move on with his own life and he finds in that very last scene and a new woman after he finds out that his, the girl Doris, who was this

16-year-old that before he went to the war, she seemed to be in love with him, but he realized She was too young. He came back, promised he always would. I thought that scene with the mother was great, where the mother, you can tell, really liked Freddie Quill, even though he's clearly, you know, his mother's insane and in an insane asylum. He's had a lot of stuff, including a major drinking problem, the effects of war, the effects of mental, you know, mental instability.

But, God, it was such a disappointing ending to what was a great, first three quarters of a movie. Do you remember what I'm talking about? I'd have to go back and watch it again. I know basically, at the end, well, I don't want to reveal the end, you know, in case people want to watch it. I'd have to go back and watch it again. I didn't feel as unsatisfied with the ending as he do. Okay. But it's not fresh in my mind, either. Anyway. But I recommend, I recommend people watch it. I do, I do too. You know, a lot of people didn't like, a lot of my friends didn't like there will be blood,

which I thought was brilliant. And, of course, you know, Daniel Day Lewis is phenomenal in that movie. I loved that movie. That movie start to finish is one of the best ever. And if you don't know Paul Thomas Anderson from either there will be blood or the master, he did boogie nights too, which I'm assuming most of you have seen. Great movie. Yeah.

I mean, you may. a great movie about, a serious great movie about pornography. Yeah. And about, about how big a guy's dick is. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, that's hard, that's hard, that's hard, that's hard, that's to do with an R next to it. Yes.

Yes. But, but you do it. I mean, that, again, I mean, his movie stick with you. Uh, you know, boogie nights, it just sticks with me that, the scene where they're playing, uh, where they're trying to buy the, uh, you know, his movie, uh, you know, he's movie, Coke from the guy. Right. And you've got Jesse's girl, the Rick Springfield song playing in the background. Good call.

Good call on Jesse's girl, Rick Springfield, breaking away from soap opera fame to record a single. Well, I know Rick Springfield had a single back in the 60s before that. I think to the sky. You know what? I think I did know that. But do you know where my first Rick Springfield

experience came? what general hospital when I was in college okay general hospital you know general hospital is probably the most popular of that a daytime soap opera's ever been the luke and laura era of the 80s some of you will know what i'm talking about and rick springfield ended up becoming a significant figure on general hospital in the 80s and then came out with that single My soap opera going to college was One Life to Live. Well, one life to live.

In college was when I was watching soap operas. All my children was on at one. One Life to Live was on at two, and then General Hospital was on at three. Yeah, in college, I watched soap operas. I didn't watch all three of those. General Hospital became an addiction for a lot of people back then, especially people that were younger and had, you know, free time, like a college student, you know, did. But the Luke and Laura, you know, relationship and drama is probably their wedding, and I don't know what year that was.

I don't know. I think it's still the highest rated daytime program that isn't sports of all time. I think that's true. Of the daytime programs, I would think you're right. I'm going to look that up here because I am, Luke and Laura, General Hospital. All right, from, okay, so from 1979 to 1988, General Hospital had more viewers than any other daytime soap opera. It rose to the top of the ratings in the early 80s, in part thanks to the monumentally popular super couple, super couple Luke and Laura, whose 1981 wedding brought in 30 million viewers and remains the highest rated hour in American soap opera history.

Now, that's different from what I described, but maybe that's what I remember. You know, 30 million wouldn't be a super, but, you know, well, first of all, 30 million is a lot for any daytime program, including, you know, a big football game, you know, which probably, I'm assuming that football games, or the highest rated day programming, you know, shows in television history because it's almost everything's NFL anyway in terms of the highest rated programs. But 30 million viewers, Tommy, in 1981 for that wedding. That's amazing. I mean, I think, are there any real soap operas left on network TV?

I think there's one. I have no idea. I haven't watched a soap opera prize. probably in 30 years. Certainly, yeah, every bit of 30 years. I have no idea. I would, maybe, it looks like General Hospital is still on, at least according to Wikipedia. Okay. It looks like it's still on. Why have soap operas just gone away for what, daytime, you know, live talk programming? Talk shows. Yeah, right.

You know, everybody's got a talk show. Of course they do. How did we get to that? Oh, Rick Springfield. Yeah, Dr. Noah Drake on General Hospital was Rick Springfield. And I didn't, I think I knew this, Tommy, but I don't remember his music career in the 60s. But you do. I have speak to the sky on my playlist on my phone. It's a catchy song.

Is it? Good. Go back and watch The Master again. I mean, you have time after, you know, a. a walk and a few calls. Go watch that movie and tell me if you think I'm right. I just was disappointed at the ending, that's all.

Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Charlie Wilson's war was so good. God, was he a great actor? Yes, yeah, absolutely. Boogie Knights. Boogie Knights, of course. That's role he played in Boogie Knights, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

I'm watching this series now called Yellowstone. Oh, my God. I've heard about it. You know, before I watched this movie over the weekend, I was looking at, should I start a series? And I went and read like the first couple of descriptions of the first two episodes of Yellowstone, which Kevin Costner's in and others. And I thought about starting it. So tell me, is it worth it? I think it's worth it. It took me a couple of episodes to really get invested in the character. and I'd like it. That said, it's got this flaw that other series like it have had. First of all, everybody, everybody in the show is evil.

It's not a good person to be found anywhere. But even evil people like to make a joke once in a while, you know? There's not a smile in the whole series, not one. Man, that's kind of like that series. it was another Western that I watched a few years ago. It may have been one full season on HBO, and it was really dark. No, not Deadwood.

Well, it's pretty dark. I mean, there's no redeeming qualities in anybody anywhere, but I'm caught up in it now. I'm on the season two now, so I'm into it. and I always like Kevin Costner and I like the whole you know I had no idea that Montana was full of so many rich people

oh my God I had no idea oh yeah well it's just like it's just like well Jackson Hole Wyoming you know you take those big western towns that are just you know among the wealthiest

you know zip codes in our country Jackson Hole, Wyoming is, Aspen, Colorado is, but Montana's got a couple of those as well. One of four states I've never been to is Montana. I've been to Montana a few times, but the first time I went to Montana, I think I've told you about this trip. It was 21 junior year college, summer.

My buddy, Mike, and I basically did this drive-away service where we drove a family that had moved from D.C. to actually northern California, we drove their car. They paid for all the gas. And the idea was back then, I don't even know if they have these things anymore, where you drive their car out for them. And they told us before we took it, take as much time as you want. And we did. And one of the, we spent, I'll never forget this.

So Yellowstone Park is Wyoming and then I guess it would be southwest Montana, basically, is Yellowstone. I'd have to look at a map to see exactly. But I remember we were in, we drove all night from wherever we were. It's like we're already a few days into the trip minimum. And we pulled the car over in Yellowstone Park and fell asleep. was in June. We woke up the next morning shivering as our car was covered with snow. This is in June. And there are, um, there are mule deer, which are the big, huge deer, um, walking around the car. I mean, big animals walking around the car. And we were like, holy shit. Um, we are out here.

We're out here in it now. I'm pulling up a map to see if I have that right. I'm pretty sure Yellowstone is mostly in Wyoming, but a sliver of it is in, if it's in Wyoming, which is south of Montana, it would be northwest Wyoming and southwest Montana. Why can't I find a map of Yellowstone? Anyway, I think that's it. I may have that wrong where most of it's in Montana and just a sliver of it. is in Wyoming, but I think I have that right. I think I have that right. Could be wrong. Anyway, I can't find them. Oh, here it is. I'm right. I'm right. Here it is. Yellowstone National Park

looks like it's mostly in Wyoming, and yes, there's a sliver of it in Montana. And somehow we were in the Montana portion of the park, and that was the first time in Montana. Tommy, that trip, we were on our way. We had made our way from Rapid City, South Dakota, where we had spent a few days because there was a great dog track in Rapid City. So we were there, and then we were in Yellowstone, and then the next stop for us was Tahoe because we had to go to Tahoe where a buddy of ours, his sister lived in Truckee, California, which is part of Lake Tahoe. And she was moving back to the East Coast, and we had worked out that we were going to pick up her call. car, which was a Ford escort. I'll never forget it. We drove a Honda, a Honda Accord out, picked up her Ford escort in Truckee, California. And she said the same thing. I'll pay for your gas, and she gave us, back then you needed a gas card, if you recall.

Right. And we had a gas card from her for that car, and then we had that car basically, and we told her, if we take your car back, we may not be back until August. And we weren't. We left in mid-June. We were back in mid-August. It was a two-month trip. We spent a lot of time in Northern California at my buddy's uncle's place, which was in a rather beautiful location in that whole Pebble Beach area down there.

And then we spent probably a week to two weeks in Southern California. But that was the first time I was in Montreal. That was a trip. That was a trip. That was a trip. We were looking years ago, we were looking for the pictures of that trip. And I think he's got him. I thought I had him in a box, but he must have him.

But yeah, it was a great trip. That included a lot of gambling. And then a 48-hour, I think I've told you this before, a 48-hour non-stop trip from L.A. to D.C. It was mid-August. We were done. We were ready to get home. We were out of money.

We had a gas card and maybe like 50 bucks. And we drove 48 straight hours from L.A. to D.C. I'll never forget we left on a Friday at 7 and arrived Sunday night, 10 o'clock East Coast time. We had two gas card. We had a gas card and we had 50 bucks for some food along the way. And that was it. We took two hour shifts and we drove 48 straight hours. God's honest truth that you can make it from L.A.

to DC in 48 hours. That is some trucking, baby. Oh, we were trucking. We were trucking. We had had it. You know, we had been gone for a while at that point, and we were ready to get home. Plus, we had no money. And basically the promise to our parents were that we wouldn't wire for money because they didn't really, you know, they wanted, my father wanted me work in that summer. What do you mean you?

Right. You know, get a job. No, we're going to try, we're going to see what happens with this. thing. It was a blast. But yes, there is there's money in Montana, brother. There's some real money in those places. I mean, that's surprised me. I didn't know that. And there's obviously a lot of, you know, I mean, real tough rural towns, too, that are probably really

in trouble. Anyway. Yeah, well, I like the series so far. I wouldn't say it's a great series, but I like it. I've been to Helena. That's the other place I've been to. went there to, I want to say it was Smith's, a supermarket chain back in the 90s. Nice place to be from. Wouldn't be a great place to live in necessarily. But places like Bozeman, you know, in a lot of those, you know, ranch places and, God, it's beautiful country out there.

I'll tell you what. I mean, we're going to see what happens with our cities, you know, because of COVID-19 in particular in population density. But a lot of those places probably seem pretty attractive to a lot of people right now. Yeah, probably. All right, quick word about Hydrant, then we'll get to some topics for the day. Top performers in business and sports often attribute their success to their morning routine, whether it's waking up early, setting their goals for the day, exercise, or meditation.

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All right, Tommy, are we going to have a baseball season? They never got it together in terms of the economics. So it looks like the owners are going to impose what they're able to do contractually impose a season on the players. 60 games is what's being discussed. But first, the players need to sign off on all of the health and safety protocols and pledge to arrive at home stadiums by July 1st for a deal to actually happen. And that's supposed to happen at some point later today. Yeah, basically what it looks like the union has done is trading labor peace,

a better deal for postseason money, more money on the table. table now for the chance to file a grievance where they think, uh, arguing that the owners, uh, did not negotiate in good faith and they're convinced that they'll win and get, I don't know, $500 million or more out of an award like that. I mean, it really doesn't seem for a partner. And, you know, they've tried to be partners over the years. It's really shitty. when you think about it, for a partner whose strategy is to say, well, I can make a lot more money doing this and basically destroy the product at the same time. You're talking about the players?

Yes. Yeah. The players. So on Saturday, I did a podcast on Saturday, and one of the things in preparation for the podcast was there wasn't a deal done, and it looked like, you know, the owners were stuck on 60 games, and the players I wanted 70. And I was like, wow, I mean, is this thing really not going to get done because of 10 games and it's going to force the owners to impose their situation?

And I went back in, I didn't, I'm not going to tell you that I read the whole March 26th agreement, but I read this section of the March 26th agreement that has been the crux of the issue for the last three months. On March 26th, there was an agreement between the players and the owners on the parameters of a season. that at that point was very likely going to not only be delayed but shortened. And the deal was for the owners to pay the players their full salaries on a pro rata basis. So there was one stipulation to the deal.

It was a separate section of the agreement. And it said essentially, for the games to resume, the commissioner's office and union would discuss in good faith the economic feasibility of playing games in the absence of spectators or if games had to be played at substitute neutral sites. That section's right there in the agreement, that the owners and the players would sit back down, negotiate in good faith in the event that 30 to 35 percent of their revenue stream was gone because of no spectators and no home sites, et cetera, but really no spectators. And so for whatever reason, I can't figure it out.

for whatever reason, the players believe that that section didn't have anything to do with them taking a reduced salary in the event of no spectators. And the owners, of course, feel that that's exactly what that section was put in there for. That in the event, by the time we get to play, if we can't generate 30 to 35% of our normal revenue because we can't get live spectators into the stadium, well, then we're going to sit down and we're going to figure something out. and you're going to participate in the downside of all of that. Look, the owners, if they came down five games and they met in the middle at 65 games, it's peanuts what they would be giving up. The players the same thing.

I'm sorry, if the owners came up to 65 games and if the players went down to 65 games. But I'll be honest with you, I can't imagine how any player would read that section and not think that they were referring to payroll. the single biggest cost against one of the biggest revenue sources. I don't get that. But the point, so that's what this has been about since day one. This, the players thinking they didn't have to give up anything. They had an agreement.

And the owner's saying, yeah, but we had this section that said if we didn't have spectators, we would sit down and work a different deal out because we were going to be missing 30 to 35% of our revenue. I blame both of them, though, Tommy, because the math on the owners coming up to 65 games works out to about $4.2 million per team. That's nothing. I know. It's nothing. I mean, it's a shared blame and responsibility. But like I've said before, and particularly on the union side, you've got two bad leaders.

I don't think Rob Manfred is a very good leader as a commissioner. and I really think Tony Clark is overmatch as a union boss. I mean, except for Gene Upshaw, there's never been, I don't think, a player who has run one of these unions. I mean, certainly not in baseball. Well, who was the famous baseball union leader of the 70s? Oh, Marvin Miller. Yeah, Marvin Miller, right. And then Donald Fear after that.

Right. And there was Michael Silver, I think, I forget what it. Michael, in between them, there was a guy who was very well like to respect it, who died, unfortunately. And now it's Tony Clark, who I think played 15 years in the major leagues. And I just think he's overmatched. And you've got bad leadership heading for things that are going to be even uglier. once this thing gets by them.

Well, you're right. I mean, in looking at this, the owners, you know, the owners could cancel the season altogether, but then there would be major grievances. They're going to what appeared to be the largest number of games without an expanded postseason, which is 60. There was a discussion that they could go as low as 48. But almost everything I've read, these players,

they may go back to work, and we'll get to the health stuff here in a second. They may go back to work, but there's a grievance forthcoming. And this is basically players going back to work under duress, for the lack of a better description. They're not happy about it. The owners aren't happy about it. And the difference when all was said and done is 10 games. Because if they had come to an agreement on, say, 65 instead of the 60 or the 70 counterproposal, they would have gotten the expanded playoff format from the players.

and it would have worked out much better, not to mention you would have had labor piece, again, for the lack of a better description, because they have an agreement currently. It's really mind-boggling. And now, like, this should have been the – this is what I was going to say to you. This should have been the easy part. The tough part is baseball getting the players comfortable that they're going to take care of them, health-wise. And that's still to come. I always said that this is the harder part.

This is going to be the harder part. But it's so much harder than even the first time you said it because of all the increased in COVID-19 infections nationwide. And now all of the positive tests within organizations like with the Phillies the other day. Yeah. And I just think, you know, you're going to have enough players with the fear planted. in their minds, and not just their minds, in their wives' minds, about, you know, undertaking something like this. I just, I don't see how, look, I mean, I don't see how baseball,

if they get lucky and start a season, I don't see how they end it. And if this is what baseball is dealing with now, what the hell is the NFL going to be dealing with in September and October? I mean, it's crazy. I mean, you know. It really is. You know. It is as unfriend. predictable. You're making plans for something that you have absolutely no. It's like trying to fly to

the moon and you're about to send the first rocket up, you know, and you have no idea if it'll work, but it's full people. Yes. It's like the first time somebody tried ski jumping. Like, how do that for the first time where you're doing flips in the air? Well, we'll see what happens. Nobody knows if any of this is going to work. They don't. They don't. You know, I think I mentioned this to you on Thursday because I forget when I had this conversation with Howard Gutman, who listens to the podcast and was Obama's Belgian

ambassador. And he's been a listener to the show. And he and I had this long conversation because he's working with a company that scans. You know, he's working on a scanner to scan for COVID-19. something that would be put at every single stadium and arena. But anyway, to make a long story short, one of the things he said to me is they're basically all going into this hoping. They can't possibly predict what will happen.

They're hoping baseball is, basketball is, the NHL is to get through this season so they can get their money from the TV networks without somebody getting seriously ill. but the first time somebody gets seriously ill, or these games are so compromised because of the loss of players due to positive tests. It's right now, especially the more and more we get closer to this thing, and as the positive tests keep going up nationwide and in spots that you thought weren't going to be hot spots and the warm weather was going to take care of all this, and we're seeing all the increased infections,

and a lot of that is probably because of the increased testing. I'm not suggesting that it isn't. But, you know, Clemson tested 23 players the other day positive. Texas, you know, how are they possibly right now going to get to a football season where they're going to have enough players that aren't in quarantine to play games? I don't know, Kevin. I don't know how they're going to do it. I mean, I'm very skeptical of their ability to be able to do it.

And it's, and, you know, we can argue, and like you pointed out, some of the rise in the coronavirus numbers are certainly related to more testing. You know, that's obvious. But it's the fear factor as well. The reality is important, but people's fears is what you're dealing with here. You can show them the numbers that say, well, you know, you're a 25-year-old guy. your chance of dying from this is infinitesimal, you know. But the fears, it's what you're dealing with,

and those fears, I think, have not diminished. I know what you've been saying, all right, and I'm taking that into consideration. I think that the last week, look, there are a couple things at work, including what you've said all along. And including what we've also talked about before, especially with the NBA in particular, where you've got 22 teams and several teams probably, you know, it's a sport where even if you make the playoffs, you're not going to win a title. And you're talking about, you know, going from all of these freedoms and luxuries into a quarantined, isolated, you know, Walt Disney World setting, which isn't, you know, the convenience of that is also, you know, a, you know, a, you know, a. reality that they're starting to deal with.

So it's everything, it's on the fear with respect to health situation increasing, maybe it was always going to be there. But we've also seen a spike in positive tests, especially with athletes. Look at Novak Djokovic, you know, testing positive today. You know, this is a pretty controversial thing with him because he held this charity event in Croatia. And, you know, he's an anti-vaccine guy. And he was critical early.

on about the U.S.'s handling and whether or not he'd come back to the U.S. and play, you know, a tournament because it was being handled so poorly. And he didn't get tested, and yet players around him were getting, we're testing positive. And then he went back to Serbia, tested positive, as did his wife. Anyway, we're seeing it like every day as teams get back into less of a hunkered down situation. we're reading more and more about the positive testing. So there is an increased concern and anxiety over the virus again and the likelihood of being infected. I think that's part of it, Tommy, is that, you know, a month ago, they may have said, well, look, the infection rates are even low.

And by the time we get to where we're going to be, it's where they're going to have more figured out. Well, the infections aren't going away. They're not diminishing. And it looks like if these teams convenes, players in their own mind are going to think, there's a pretty good chance I'll get infected. They're probably starting to think that more now

than they were a month ago is what I'm saying. Yes, I think you're right. I think the fear factor, because of the way media is today, you know, you think everything you read or everything you hear is the worst thing in a world. And we're just inundated

with information and, you know, if you went from social media, it was like, you know, like you said, Clemson positive tests, Alabama, positive test, Texas positive test, spring training facility in Pittsburgh, the Pirates, positive tests. Wherever they've been gathering. Yeah. Yeah, it's all accumulated.

I mean, you know, why, listen, I'm not being sexist. wives are going to have a big impact on this. This is why I said all along. In kitchens and living rooms, these discussions are going to take place. And it's the great unknown we're dealing with. A real unknown. I mean, you know, it's funny because, I mean, the reality is we deal with the unknown every day. But we've never been hit with it in the face,

at least that I can remember like we have been right now. And yet, the truth is, even though we don't know, I'll concede, we don't really know. And maybe the virus becomes more virulent and more lethal to young, healthy people without underlying diseases. But right now, the probability of a career-ending injury is so much greater for a young, healthy, no-underlying diseased athlete than is, getting sick from COVID-19. Yeah. No, you're right. And they'd have no problem going back and risking career-ending injury. Now, the big story from yesterday is that Davos Bertans from the Wizards is opting out.

The NBA players have until, I think, it's close of business tomorrow, to opt out without penalty, without punishment. The NBA's offering that up to the players of the 22 teams that are going to restart the season in Orlando. and Davos Bertans was having an incredible season. You know, the Wizards decided not to trade him at the trade deadline when they probably would have gotten a first round pick, maybe a protected first round pick, who knows, but they would have gotten a first round pick for this guy for the season he's having. And for those of you not paying attention, because most of you aren't paying attention

to the Wizards. Bertons came from San Antonio where he was, you know, sort of a sharp shooting role player, and he's having a career year. He's second on the team in scoring behind Bradley Beale averaging 15 and a half points a game. He's one of the best long-range shooters in the game, and he's 610, 6-11, and 225. This guy has got a lot of game, a lot of game. I had Tommy Shepard on the show. I had Scott Brooks on the show, and I asked him both about Bertons.

One of the reasons they didn't trade him is they think he is a huge part of a Wizards team with John Wallback and Bradley Beal and Rui Hachamura, they think it's a really good team that Bertans is a big part of that. So they're going to take the chance they can sign him as an unrestricted free agent, which is why they didn't trade him. Now, to be truthful, they could have traded him and then signed him anyway. They could have gotten their first runner. But I think that they felt like they were making a commitment to him

and telling him how much he meant to them. He has decided to opt out. he's decided to opt out of the final eight games, and there could be some playoff games after that, in part because he doesn't want to risk it. It's all about protecting his money, all about protecting his money. He's going to sign a huge deal. And Evan Fournier, who is a player with the Orlando Magic,

said, sent out two tweets attached to the Bertan story. this is what's wrong with the NBA nowadays. If you think it's okay to sit and watch your teammates play while you're perfectly healthy, it says a lot about you. And that's very critical of Bertons, not going back, you know, with Bradley Beal and with Rui Hotchamura and, you know, Troy Brown Jr. And the rest of the players, can't remember who's on the team. Now it's been so long.

is Smith and Jan Maheen me. My God, Isaiah Thomas isn't there anymore. I forget who's even on the roster at this point. But anyway, I mean, on one level, I think that I'd rather see him play. But if I'm him, here's the thing. If they played the end of the regular season as scheduled without COVID-19, like no, no, you know, nothing that happened the last four months happened. It may have been possible that the team would have set.

at him for the final six or seven games anyway, just to protect him, because they wouldn't have had anything to play for. Now, technically, they have something to play for, but he's not going to play. Now, they've got to make up two games on Orlando to get into a, you know, a two-day playoff format, you know, a tournament just to get to the eight-seat to have the right to get blown out by Milwaukee. But, you know, this is, he's... I don't begrudge. I don't begrudge. I don't begrudge a guy a personal decision like this? I don't begrudge him at all. I don't begrudge him.

I don't. And I think if I were his agent, I would have suggested it. And I bet the team doesn't have a problem with this. He's had two knee injuries, so, you know, they're not going to probably have the proper get ready for regular season games. I'm okay with it. I'm not, it's not a big problem to me. Did you see your guy, Trevor Areza is opting out?

I did, but you read the reason why, right? Yeah. Yeah. He's got essentially, is that okay with you? Absolutely. Okay. Well, anything he does is okay with me. But no, seriously, Trevor Arisa, if you missed this, he's opting out as well.

The Blazers are only a game out of the eight spot or something like that. I forget exactly what it is. But he's involved in a custody case over his 12-year-old. old son. And this next month is the opportunity for him to have a visitation period with his son, which I guess was probably scheduled for this month because it was supposed to be his off time. And so he's not, you know, he's not giving up on that month with his 12-year-old son to go and try to chase the eight seed with Portland. I think I understand that. I bet most of his teammates understand that, don't you think? I would think so. I certainly understand it. Yeah. I mean,

I mean, it's a weird thing that we're, I mean, I have a feeling, Tommy, that there's a pretty good chance, I don't know, at least a one and four chance that 10 years from now, we look back and 2020 was the year that got canceled. Every sport, COVID-19 year, every sport didn't make it. None of them made. I think you're right. I think you're right. I mean, I'm already seeing like public events.

outdoor events scheduled for the fall are being canceled left and right. It's like when you look back during some of the war years and you see the season wasn't played because we were in a war and these guys were going off to fight a war. I mean, it's a lot different, but it's the same thing. It's really, God, think about this, Tommy. We may not have real sports. I mean, forget, I know it's insane. significant, you know, it's frivolous compared to important things. I understand that.

But we may have a season with no, where you don't have live football? How did this happen? They're playing soccer. I know, I know. I don't know. Maybe we're, maybe we're over. Yeah, I think they're all going to try to start. I didn't say it was a probability. I said a one and four chance. I think it's a one and four chance now. I just, I think, I think it's much stronger that they don't finish. I think they'll all start. We just need to find the medications. Once you get some medicine that helps this out,

then you've got something to feel like it's like a safety net. Okay, I got infected. Oh, you know what? I'm actually sort of getting sick here. Let me take this and I'm going to be all better. Unless I'm really old. Yeah. Like me.

Unless I'm Tommy. me where the virus has been gunning for me since it, since it arrived. Now, speaking of the virus, and this is a very serious, sad note, okay, so I just want to make that clear. Do you remember Alan Liu, who was a D.C. City administrator, very influential guy in the city, would help, you know, oversaw the rebuilding of the convention center, Nats Park, and stuff like that. What's his name? Alan Lou, L-E-W. No, I actually don't remember that name.

He was a very influential figure in getting that's park built, getting the new convention center built. He was a city administrator and helped bring the city from its corruption, bankruptcy years, into its flush years. He just died from coronavirus complications. He was 69. Did you know him? I met him a few times. Very sharp, very nice man.

He was, I think, working on the faculty of a school up in New York. He wasn't on the city council, was he? No, he was the city administrator. Oh. He was a hired help. Got it. He was a hired guy. You know, but very influential, very important guy in the resurgence of D.C.

over the past 15, 20 years. Tom Sherwood from NBC4, Washington broke that news. So, I mean, he was 69. You know, I mean, I thought he was younger than that. So what else do we have today? Well, I wanted to talk a little bit about a column I have coming out in tomorrow's Washington Times.

He'll be online later today about, George Preston Marshall and the Redskins name. Let's do it. Okay. I know you've talked about this, and this is my first chance to write about it, and basically, you know, once I got through them, you know, taking away the Marshall Memorial, which the right thing to do, and doing away with the George Preston Marshall Concourse on the concourse at FedEx Field and rename it after Bobby Mitchell, all the right moves.

The Mitchell move is so overdue. And I wrote years ago that if Snyder had been smart when he first bought the team and inherited the racial legacy that the team had, that the smart thing would have been to have done to basically embrace the Bobby Mitchell. build a statue outside of FedEx field that they wouldn't tear down, hopefully, for Bobby Mitchell, and just try to diffuse some of the baggage that came with the purchase of the team by embracing the African-American connection to the team as a result of Bobby Mitchell. Well, it took Snyder 20 years to do that, and Bobby Mitchell passed away in April,

and now, you know, they're going to retire his number and all that. And all that's connected to the Marshall thing. Marshall was the one who traded for Bobby Mitchell when he was forced to integrate the Redskins in 1961 when he wanted to move into the new stadium. Right. But I also pointed out that for those people expecting the last remnant of the Marshall legacy, the name to fall, I said, don't hold your breath. that's not happening anytime soon.

Why? Well, for one, we talked about this, and you were right about this, a couple years ago, I thought, and I lost the betsy on this, that the name was going to change.

They had the Oneida Nation casino boss, Ray Hallibretter, Halberter, he's right. And he had a lot of money and a lot of corporate influence. And I thought, well,

this is the guy that that, that, that movement needs to get behind it in order to force the NFL to force the Redskins to change the name. Well, the poll that came out in 2016 in the Washington Post, where show that nine out of ten Native Americans weren't offended by the name. The same exact result from the Annenberg poll, 11, 12 years earlier, that killed. That killed the momentum that they had going.

and then I became convinced that the name is just not going to be changed. And now, you know, getting swept up in the Black Lives Matter movement, the name has been brought into that, and there's a revival of the movement to change the name. But you have talked about this, and I agree with you, is the financial damage to Dan Snyder, from changing the name as Redskins to something else, is something that he can't, he can't endure.

I mean, it would be devastating. It would just be, you know, it's hard enough to get people to go to the game. You're down, you're down to the core group of Redskins fans now. And these are the people that love the team and love the name. And you're going to change that name. You're going to drive them away. And then nobody's coming to the games. and there's no way the NFL is going to force Snyder to do that.

They're not going to force an owner to make a move that's going to cost him money and cost them money. Yeah, it's so I forget if I talked about this on the podcast or on radio the other day, but you and I talked about Thursday doing this and we never got to it. But I don't, I have always known that, just remind me, because I want to go back to George Preston Marshall and Bobby Mitchell, after this. But I've always laughed at those people who suggested that this would have been some sort of financial boon to change the name over the years. They don't know anything about brand and brand loyalty. I mean, you don't see fiercely loyal customer bases to brands. You don't see

those brands change significant parts of their brand, you know, names, logos, mascots, whatever. When you do that, you really risk valuation hits. You risk, you know, a business hit. You'd have been talking about millions versus potentially billions in valuation, millions in short-term gain for buying New Jersey's and buying the new stuff versus a big valuation hit. Now, with that said, the Redskins reached a new rock bottom at the end of last year that, you know, even we couldn't see necessarily. I mean, 10,000 people in a 75,000 seat stadium where half the people there aren't even rooting for their home team. There was a level of disgust with this organization from most people. There's a percentage of you.

Trust me, Tommy, and I know this. you have never been off put by anything that they've done, and you never will. And you are very much in the minority of the fan base. And you see that by the deterioration of the crowds and the television numbers. I mean, they've completely, you know, sunk to new low levels. So I actually, and I think I mentioned this on radio the other day, for the first time, in terms of how much it would cost them to change everything about the name and the brand, et cetera, they're probably at a point in which it makes more sense now than ever before, Tommy,

because they have sunk the value of the brand. Now, I know what Forbes says they're worth. You know, and Forbes says they're worth that because if you got a new owner in here and they did things in a different way in a market like ours that is huge, a football interest like we have here in D.C., you could turn it around very quickly, you know, and all the sudden be worth $4 billion. And by the way, those values are basically, it's essentially a guess as to what someone would be willing to pay.

The Redskins have lost a lot of top line revenue the last couple of years, but they're in a league that benefits every single one of the teams. teams because they share equally 32 teams divided by the money divided by 32 teams. Anyway, it's a long way of getting to, if they ever felt the pressure to do it and they actually considered it, this would probably be the time to do it because they're at such an all-time low with respect to the customer base. They've lost so many customers, Tommy, because of who they are and what they've done on the field and how they've conducted themselves off the field, that the fiercely loyal customer base

that I used to refer to, which is one of the reasons that the brand is valued at where it is, a lot of those people have checked out for good. They've checked out for good. And now you may be trying to attract a whole new audience, and let's be honest about this, a younger audience that's very progressive, that probably isn't even consistent. considering your team because of the name, regardless of what the true facts are about this and whether or not Native Americans have a problem with it or don't have a problem with it. The perception, the narrative is that it's the N-word, which of course we know it isn't.

And in this climate, they may have a chance of getting and gaining customers if they change the name. Again, I'm going to try to shorten this up and I'm going to shorten it up now. If they were ever going to do it, now's probably by far and away the biggest opportunity that they would have to do it with the lowest downside to doing it. I don't know. I mean, look, young people aren't going to NFL. I know. Young people aren't going to NFL games, period. But nobody's watching their games either.

But I don't see this groundswell of young people all the time. oh, now they finally changed the name. Now I'm going to go. They're not going to NFL games as it is. That's an industry problem, and not just the Redskins problem. I just think that they're watching them. They would lose, they would lose that core fan base.

I think a lot of those people, and he can't afford to lose anybody. Nobody's going to change their mind and go back because the name is changed. I'm not recommending it. What I'm saying to you is they've got less to lose today than they did two years ago or four years ago or eight years ago. Dan Snyder has single-handedly ruined one of the great brands in all of sports the last 20 years. He's ruined it. It is not, according to Forbes, worth any less, and it keeps increasing in value.

but so does every NFL franchise. And a big market NFL franchise with an untapped, which you could almost call like the Redskin fan base untapped now because it hasn't been served in so long. That's why the value is where it is. I don't think, you know, I think it's still a risk. It's just less of risk. But back to the polling again.

So look, that 2016 Washington Post poll, you know, and I've seen everything that people have sent me about the other poll from recently, from Stanford and Michigan, you know, that reflected still a minority amount of Native Americans, but a much higher than 10% percentage of Native Americans that have a problem with it. And just like all of these polls, Tommy, if you don't like the results, you can find problems with the methodology. You know, that was the problem with the 2004. It was outdated.

It wasn't done the right way. And then 2016, here comes the post poll. By the way, conducted by a newspaper that was hoping for the opposite result than it actually got, which gave the result even more credibility for a lot of people. But the people that didn't like those results said the methodology was wrong. It was a phone-based poll where they were relying on the person that said that they identified as a Native American to be honest. And then this newest poll is online, but it's sort of skewed to younger individuals. some issues with that one. Look, bottom line is, I don't think that, you know, there's this incredible

clamoring from Native Americans. I haven't seen proof of that to change the name. But I do believe that the last three to four weeks have produced a total resurgence from people in desiring the name to be changed. And now, you know, along with statues falling left and right, this is another statue that needs to fall. And people are writing about it. You know, our good friend Barry's Verluga, who I love dearly, and I think he's brilliant, wrote about it. And he said some things in that story that I still think are a problem.

I still think my idea, Tommy, and I'm not sure anybody else shares it. Maybe somebody else had it first. I don't care. But language evolves, okay? And so the dictionary-defined racist term that Redskins is, you know, refers to a word that was used in a way in which the dictionary defines it over 75 years ago. It's time for a second non-pejorative, non-derogatory definition, Redskins, noun, the team that plays pro football in Washington, D.C. I think that that would solve a lot of problems, not with everybody. But Tommy,

you know, the other thing I thought of is Goodell, we've been seeing him speak out more than ever recently. We don't even know if it's been with owner's support on very, on very, on, on lots of different things, including, you know, Kaepernick and kneeling and all of that. Would it shock you if Goodell came out in the next week, you know, and said, I think it's time for the Redskins to consider changing their name? Yes, it would. Okay. It would shock me.

Now, let me make it clear. I don't care what they're called. I know. I mean, I don't think if they'd say to name the Mar, it'd be fine. with me. I don't particularly care. But I just don't think that I just think that that even with how low the Redskins

franchise has sunk in terms of fan support, I just don't see them thinking that Snyder could be the guy to bring them back no matter what they're named. I'll tell you what we won't get. And if we do, it would really be revealing of intelligence. We're not going to get another statement from the owner that says never, ever, in capital letters. No.

On the name. You know, if he had handled all of this with a bit more finesse and thought through, listen, let's be open-minded to this. Maybe, you know, the idea of a second, you know, because the dictionary definition is the walk-off moment for all of the people that want the name changed. It's their one thing. Well, it's in the dictionary. It's defined as an insensitive term. It's dictionary defined racist. What else do you need to know? It's the N-word. Well, I mean, it's not the N-word, as we know. I mean, that's still the most ridiculous comparison. And it bothers me when it gets compared to that because it's not a reasonable discussion when you exaggerate to that level. We still have Native American high schools in this country that have Redskins as their school nickname. We don't have one primarily black high school that's got the N-word. as their team nickname. There's no Washington Post that says 9 out of 10 blacks say that the N-word doesn't really bother them.

I mean, they're just not comparable. So we've got to stop it with that. But it would be nice to see him, you know, at least steer clear of being defiant on it. Even if he is, he shouldn't be defiant publicly. I don't think you'll see that. Not anymore. There are a lot of people that believe this is coming soon, more than ever before. That original bet we have, I remember right now, it was, it was, we must have had the bet in 2014

because it was by the end of 2016, you were convinced the name would be changed. Yeah. I wanted to just go back real quickly to the George Preston Marshall thing and the Bobby Mitchell thing from the other day. I'm thrilled, and I talked about this on the podcast without you the other day, I'm thrilled that Bobby Mitchell's jersey is retired. And I went through, you know, the jerseys that I think should be retired. I think the Redskins should. I'm ready for the Redskins to retire jerseys. I think that they can do that. And there's seven of them to me that are absolute no-brainers.

And you just do it and, you know, and you go from there. But it's too bad that Bobby Mitchell's jersey wasn't retired when he was alive. Yeah. That's number one. This was a special person, too. was such a warm, decent person and was so significant in the NFL and so significant in this organization, which was the last organization in the league, to integrate, forced by, as you said, the federal government who owned the land where the stadium where D.C. Stadium was built to do it. They traded Ernie Davis, who eventually had leukemia passed away before he ever played one down for Bobby Mitchell. And Bobby Mitchell became the first black. player to play for the Redskins. And by the way, his career without being a significant, you know,

integrator of the last integrated team, his career alone on production was a Hall of Fame career. Like this guy would have been worthy of having a Jersey retired anyway. He was a great player. But there were a couple things. Number one, why the hell was George Preston Marshall's statue still up at RFK after all these years. I mean, I understand that I mentioned this. I didn't know it was still up there, and that's on me, and maybe that's part of what we're all learning here, is to be, you know, we should know that,

and we should advocate for, you know, it being taken down. To have an overt racist, like George Preston Marshall's statue out in front of RFK Stadium, you know, is really, you know, I think a lot of this statue stuff is really crazy right now. But an overt racist or an overt Confederate, you know, from the Civil War, and I thought that's what it was about to begin with. It's obviously morphed into much more than that here over the last week or so.

But I can't believe his statue was still up there. And I can't believe that that floor, that level at FedEx Field was still named after him. I know. That's just stunning. I never realized that. I've FedEx Field every Sunday for home games for years. And I just never put the two and two together. Yeah. I mean, it's really, it goes hand in hand with this organization handing out Bobby Mitchell's number to Leonard Stevens in 2003, which is what Spurrier did. and, you know, it went past. Everybody picked up on Sunny's jersey being given to Shane Matthews. Nobody picked up on Bobby Mitchell's number being given out to Leonard Stevens. That was a disgrace.

I remember talking about it at the time. I wasn't in radio. I remember talking about it as a fan and being totally surprised that the organization had done that. And, you know, they apologized for it, but that was the rift. That ended the relationship between Bobby Mitchell and the organization. and he was such a class act. He didn't want to bring Leonard Stevens into the middle of it because it wasn't Stephen's fault.

He wasn't. And so he never really made a big stink out of it. And even his family with the Jersey being retired, what class, all of their quotes, from his wife to his daughter to his son about all of this? I don't know. I mean, because he resented Snyder. No doubt.

No doubt. I mean, once Suryer gave Sunny's jersey, remember to Shane Matthews, there was this incredible. And, you know, Snyder, it's another, it's sort of proof in something I've always felt, which is Snyder claims to have been this devout, you know, hardcore fan his whole life. He wasn't the kind of fan that a lot of us were, you know. He just wasn't. I don't think he really was into it like some of us were. when we were kids and teenagers. But he had the opportunity because of wealth to become one of the cool kids after many years of probably not being anywhere close to that. And he bought the team. And as part of buying the team,

he talked about how his dad had taken him to games and he was this incredible fan who didn't know about number 49 and didn't even know about number nine until there was an outcry over it. Really, you're going to give away Sonny's number to Shane Matthews? and you did give away Bobby Mitchell's number to Leonard Stevens. That whole stretch there was wrong. Anyway, when's your statue coming down? Well, here, I want, let me drive real, let me drive off the road for a second.

Oh, boy, okay. Okay. Now, you made a point of ridiculing me, and this is about politics. you made a point of ridiculing me when I suggested that Trump might not leave office if he loses the election. And, of course, after that, we had a week worth of articles by people much smarter than you who suggested the same thing. And then yesterday, I mean, I suggested all the people that you weren't the first one to suggest it. You and Bill Maher and Michael Moore, a lot of people have been suggesting that. They're going to continue to suggest that.

but go ahead. Trump already declared yesterday that the 2020 elections rate, you know, setting the stage for this. Right. Okay. Let me introduce this possibility to you. What do you think the chances are that Donald Trump and Joe Biden get in a fistfight during the debates? In Biden's basement? No.

No, if they have debates. Don't you think with Biden they're going to hope that they're virtual? No, let's get with the program here. Okay. Fist fight on stage. The odds on that are, I don't know, long shot. They're not going to get to a fist fight. No?

They're not going to have to send in, you know, the D.C. police to pull them out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. That's not going to happen either. Okay. I think there's a chance to get in the fist fight. Well, Biden's got the temper, right? Yes, he does. Yeah, he does. got the short fuse, tough guy ability. At least we think of him that way, or we used to think of him

that way. And Trump, if he does that circle and stuff that he did with Hillary, during their debate, oh, that would be great. Biden will turn around and slap him. Haven't I said this to you before? How is it, and maybe it's happened and we just don't know about it? How is it with somebody that is so, has such a bully tendency, and then on top of that is so limited, intelligence-wise. How is it that somebody like Trump being in his many big meetings in New York over his many years, professional years, how is it that he didn't get his ass kicked in several times, let alone once?

How is it that somebody in New York didn't come over a boardroom table and beat the living crap out of him at some point. You know, maybe he's tougher than we think. Give him credit for it. Tommy. Tommy, there are people that live to take on the tough guy in New York. I know. I mean, you're going to tell me that somebody, you know,

that got bullied in a meeting or looked at this dude and realized what a despicable human being he is, didn't go across the table after him after he called him a name? I just can't believe that that didn't happen. But we would have heard of it at this point, don't you think? Yeah, I would think so. I would think so. It is surprising that this guy hasn't gotten beaten up before.

Right. But maybe it'll be Biden. Unless he's walked into every meeting with security people. That may be true. But still, I know a lot of dudes that wouldn't have cared about that. They would have gotten to him somehow, some way. I saw him at Yankee Stadium when I was covering the play. off. He was sitting in the box, plexiclass, separating us right next to me. He didn't have any

security around them. I mean, Tommy, there are people I know that just the cheating in golf, those stories are legendary with this guy. What a serial cheater he is in the game of golf. You know, if there was any real money involved in any of these matches, it's amazing he didn't get his ass kicked after one of those. I don't know. I, what was your, so Biden versus Trump fist fight odds. I don't know, but that would be, I mean, this would go hand in hand with your September October tumultuous, you know, run up to the election period, which, you know, I don't disagree with. I think we could be headed for a lot of that in the fall. Look, I just think anything is possible. Yeah, anything is possible. It's funny how he just, you know, I don't want to go there. I don't want to

go there. It's surprising to me that as much as he mouths off on Twitter, that the Seattle situation actually hasn't been solved by, quote, law and order, closed quote. That would be one of those where I would think

at this point there'd be an overwhelming desire by most normal people to end that experiment. But apparently not. Yes. Apparently not. Apparently not. All right. Did we cover it today? I think we did.

All right, we're done for the day. Don't forget, I'm on radio 6 to 9am every morning on the Team 980, also 95.9 FM, the Team 980 app, the Team 980.com. So listen in then as well. All right, enjoy the day back tomorrow.