The Kevin Sheehan Show - MVP Race + Some Good Kliff

Episode Date: December 26, 2024

Kevin solo today with thoughts on the NFL MVP race after the Lamar Jackson Show yesterday. Kevin weighed in on some good Kliff Kingsbury today on Jayden Daniels and more. The Zach Ertz/Nick Sirianni confrontation and a Thursday Night Football "Smell Test" pick to finish up.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Hope your Christmas was a good one. hope your Hanukkah is a good one so far. Happy holidays, everybody. Today's show is solo and quick. Tomorrow's show will include all of the Atlanta preview stuff along with Picks. Jay Gruden will be with me tomorrow. Maybe somebody else as well will see. I have a smell test tomorrow, a big one for the upcoming weekend. If you didn't see me tweet it out yesterday, I bailed on Houston. I had mentioned in the last show earlier this week that I thought I would be giving out the Texans as part of a Christmas Day smell test selection. But I bailed on the Texans. A lot of smart money came in late on Baltimore, so I backed off. Been getting lucky on some of those this year.

I do have a smell test pick for tonight's Thursday night NFL game. I will give you that in the final segment of the show. Neither game yesterday very good in terms of the competitiveness of the two games. Kansas City easily over Pittsburgh and Baltimore in a blowout over Houston. I thought Netflix did a pretty nice job. The picture for me was great. I did notice one glitchy moment in between games, but nothing approaching the Tyson-Paul fight.

from a month or so ago. Many of you want me to weigh in on the pregame post game set with RG3, Manteo, Mena Kimes, I forget who else. I really didn't watch, so I don't have an opinion on the group that they put together. Of course, I saw a lot of the social media reaction to RG3's socks and shoes and whatever that red thing flapping around his ankles was. I don't even know what that was. It was hard to miss it. It was hard to miss the social media reaction to it. But look, I mean, I think at this point, most of our group, the Washington fan base, you know, we were onto this a lot earlier than I think

everybody else was. We're all very aware of his burning desire to draw attention to himself, no matter how he does it. So at this point, I mean, what more do you want, you know, anybody to say about it? They probably had had enough of it at ESPN, which may explain why he isn't there anymore, which is why he's kind of an independent contractor at this point in sports broadcasting. Those that hire him to do this kind of on-set stuff are going to get a guy who is as interested in creating viral moments as he is analysis. You have to know that if you hire him to do that.

But understand this. He has, and I've mentioned this many times in the past, he's got a massive social media following. A lot of people like his shtick. A lot of people will never think of anything other than the one magical 2012 season he had here, and it was magical, I don't care for him as a media analyst because of the commitment he has to self-promotion.

But I do think he's pretty good at calling games. This is something that I've said for a while. He's on camera a lot less when he's calling games. And, you know, when you're calling games as an analyst, it's about communication skills. It's about the analysis. It's about the personality. He's an excellent communicator. His analysis, when I watched him calling college games, I thought was very good.

And he does have personality, whether it's your taste or my taste or not. He's got some charisma and some personality. I personally think that's his thing, calling games. But as part of a set, no. But again, the Netflix set, which got a lot of attention, I didn't watch it enough to have an opinion. I caught the RG3 thing on social media. The picture was perfect, though, man, kind of Amazon-esque. I think the Amazon games on Thursday night are the clearest pictures for sporting events that I get. For me, anyway.

How about the show Lamar Jackson put on yesterday? The MVP race, man, is a big discussion point this morning, and it does seem so tight. MyBooky currently has Josh Allen still as a minus 250 favorite. Lamar's at plus 167, and it's a two-man race, you know, pretty much across the board at My Booky as well. Saquan Barkley, way back there now at plus 1,500. So the third choice at MyBooky.ag for MVP behind Lamar, Jackson and Josh Allen. If you're wondering, Jaden Daniels, eighth on the odds list at my

bookie, behind Alan, Lamar, Sequin, and then Goth, Mahomes, Burrow, and Darnold. The MVP race man, though, is going to be a tough one for voters. Lamar Jackson's game yesterday near perfect, as have several of his recent games. He only had to play three quarters of yesterday's game against Houston because it was so lopsided. He was 10 of 15 for 168 yards, two touchdowns, no picks. He rushed for 87 yards on just four carries. And his 48-yard touchdown run, and if you haven't seen it yet, you should watch it. He was timed at 21.25 miles per hour, the fastest recorded time of his career. On a scale of zero to 100, is QBR in the game?

99.8. His 87 rushing yards yesterday, by the way, just barely good enough to make him the all-time leading rusher as a quarterback. He passed Michael Vick for number one on the list. It took Vic 13 seasons to get to 6,109 career rushing yards. it's taken Lamar seven seasons to get to 6,110. The numbers say Lamar is the greatest running quarterback of all time or the greatest quarterback from a rushing yard standpoint of all time. I would agree with those numbers.

I mean, there have been some great running quarterbacks. And Lamar is much more than that. Okay, you know, this is the best season of his career because he's progressed so much as a passer. But in terms of the greatest, you know, runners as quarterbacks, I think Lamar's number one. I do. The MVP race, though, Lamar's won it twice,

and this season is his best season of his career. It's actually not even debatable. He's a much better overall quarterback than he's ever been this year. He's got a game left, and he's already got correct. highs in passing yards, passing touchdowns, he'll likely have his best completion percentage of his career, same with yards per pass attempt, passer rating, QBR, and sack percentage. His rushing yards with a game left, currently it's his third best season.

He might get to the second best season rushing yards wise, but in part it's because he's become such a great passing quarterback. If not for Josh Allen's tremendous season, which he's having a tremendous season. You know, he had that historic game a few weeks ago. The six touchdown performance, three rushing, three passing, no turnovers in the 44 to 42 win over the Rams. If not for Allen's tremendous season, Sequan's pursuit of Eric Dickerson's 40-year-old record, which, by the way, he's not on pace now.

to break Dickerson's record. He's on pace to finish third behind Peterson and Dickerson. Right now, I think he's averaging just over 122 yards per game. So if he goes for a buck 22 in his final two games, he'll fall short of Dickerson's mark and fall short of Adrian Peterson's second best single season rushing yards campaign. But Barclays had a phenomenal season. If I were a voter, I'd be hard pressed not to vote for Lamar Jackson. I wouldn't let the fact that he's won two already, and Josh Allen hasn't won any, influence my decision. Lamar's season is quantifiably better than Josh Allen's season in almost every statistical category. He's got 13 more touchdown passes. He's averaging close to 12 more passing yards per game. His completion percentage is, you know,

4% plus higher than Josh Allen's. His QBR is higher, as passer ratings much higher than Josh Allen's. The eye test, the subjective part of it, seems like kind of a push, but I'd vote for Lamar at this point. It wouldn't be an easy vote, and there's still two weekends of regular season football left, so subject to change, but I would vote for Lamar Jackson at this point. Joe Burrow, if the Bengals were just say two games better in the win column, what are they seven and eight right now? If they were nine and six, I think Joe Burrow would be right there with both of them and maybe the favorite. But Lamar would be my vote today.

Today he would be. And the Ravens as a team, man, God, do they look so much better right now than they have at any point in this season, mostly because their defense is improved. It's much better than it was earlier in the year. They were dominant yesterday for pretty much their third straight game, their third straight easy win. They shut out the Texans' offense. The Texans got a safety in the game.

That was it. The Ravens are in really good shape to win the division now, a game up on Pittsburgh, who had no chance yesterday against the chiefs at home. Steelers, by the way, have lost three in a row. all three by double digits. That hasn't happened to that franchise, three straight losses by double digits in 36 years. But the opponents they have faced, Eagles, Ravens Chiefs all in a row, a late season. That's been a tough, tough stretch for Pittsburgh to navigate.

But a win for Baltimore against Cleveland in the season finale next week, or a Pittsburgh loss in their season finale. against the Bengals means the Ravens will win the division and be no worse than a three seed in the AFC playoffs. They could still get to a two, but it's not likely. Buffalo would have to lose out. They've got the Jets and Patriots. Remember, Baltimore crushed Buffalo earlier in the season 35 to 10 at M&T Bank. So it's looking like Baltimore will be the three, Buffalo, the two, Kansas City, clinch the one seed yesterday, which really hurts the Bengals in particular who are trying to make the postseason. If Cincinnati had won out included in that would be beating Denver on Saturday, and Denver lost out, and their season finale is at home against the Chiefs, the Bengals needed

the Chiefs to have something to play for in that game, the one seed. Well, they clinched it yesterday. So the chiefs more likely than not, I would imagine. They've done it in the past will rest their starters in the season finale. But I think the Ravens right now, they seem to be peaking at the right time. You could say the same for Kansas City, who just had their largest margin of victory win of the season, 19 points against the Steelers. But look out for the Ravens, man. I know they come up short, you know, every year in the postseason during the Lamar. era, but they look good to me right now. And Lamar looks like a different player to me than he has in recent years. A Ravens at Bill's second round playoff game would be a damn good one. Really good.

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You know, we've got some time here for the forecast to change, but it may be a wet night in Landover for the Falcons. Washington remains currently a four-point favorite over the Falcons in a game that, you know, they're not eliminated if they lose, we understand that. Atlanta would be in big trouble, potentially, if they lose. Washington can clinch a spot in the playoffs before the game kicks off. That would be with a Tampa loss earlier in the day against Carolina, a team that has been playing pretty good football. The Panthers have played much better recently,

but the Bucks are eight-point favorites in that game Sunday in Tampa. So if Tampa wins that game, Atlanta's got a win to stay in first place. Washington needs to get a win. Wouldn't be eliminated with a loss, but it would then come down to the final week where they would have to beat Dallas to clinch or get a Tampa or Atlanta loss.

Washington's still in great shape. We'd love to see them end this on Sunday night against the Falcons at home and wrap up that spot in the postseason, which right now would be either the seven spot or the sixth spot. We know they still have a shot, long shot at the division. Philly, by the way, still has Jalen Hertz in concussion protocol as this week has started off. We'll see whether or not he goes against the Cowboys on Sunday.

That game got moved to 1 p.m. with the Vikings and Packers getting moved to 425. And of course, that game is significant for Washington. If Washington were to clinch a playoff spot, if they were to win their final two, and Green Bay loses one of its final two, Washington would be the six-seat and would likely go, I think, to L.A. to face the Rams. All right, I wanted to read this from Daniel G. Daniel G. wrote me following the post-game podcast on Sunday evening after the Philadelphia win. He wrote, I absolutely love the post-game pods this year, Kevin. You were out of breath with joy last night. I was listening in bed with headphones and your excitement was loud enough to excite my wife into waking up. Something I haven't been able to do in years, L.O.L. Then he finishes

up by saying, I'm right there with you on Jaden. This guy is the gift we've been waiting for and I feel like we have deserved after all of these years. Thank you, Daniel G. Appreciate that. Yeah, it's been fun getting in here and doing a quick post-game wrap, although Sundays was really the wrap because it was so much to the game. So it was hard to keep it short. But anyway, I was excited after the game Sunday. It was an amazing finish to that game. There have been several of them this year, and the amazing finishes have included the quarterback doing something special. You know, some of these games, giant game in week two, Cincinnati game in week three, the Bears game, the Philly game, they've been very close to going the other way.

And I do think the difference between some of these games going in a different direction versus the direction they ultimately went in is our quarterback. He's the real deal. You know, start to finish, especially as the game nears kind of the finish line. He's a starter and he's a closer. It's really hard to get that kind of clarity on a player during his rookie season. But I think we have. You know, the way this season is gone is just atypical for rookie quarterback seasons.

You know, usually you don't learn as much as we've learned about him. Usually the debate on whether or not the team got it right continues into that second season at least. You know, C.J. Stroud had one of these very unusual rookie seasons. He's not having a great sophomore season. There are reasons for that in Houston. But like Houston did, but I think Washington is getting an even clearer picture, we've gotten most of, if not all of the answers to whether or not they got it right in 15 games. We don't need that much more. It's already true that he's the best player on his own team. It's already true that in many games this year, he's been the best player on the field. He's having a rookie season for the ages. He's already a top

10 NFL quarterback. That's a true statement at this point. As much as I loved him last year at LSU and in the run-up to the draft, as most of you know, I didn't expect this. I thought there was a chance he would be further along than most young quarterbacks because of how much he played in college and how his skill set, which I was very adamant about, was perfect for today's NFL. But I didn't think he would be this good, this early. I mean, they got it right. It's so obvious they got it right. It's possible that Drake May and Caleb Williams and Boe Nix and Pennix Jr. and J.J. McCr. who got injured in preseason will eventually be very good as well. The odds don't favor that because we know the odds of hitting on a quarterback,

no matter how high you take them, and the odds are much better when you take them much higher in the draft. But usually, you know, you're at a one out of three hit rate. Mays looked apart here recently. Nix is a perfect fit for Sean Payton and a good supporting cast. overall supporting cast in Denver. We'll see about the others, but there's no way with what we know right now, or what I think I've learned to this point,

that you could tell me that Jaden at number two overall wasn't 100% the right pick. Of course, there is always, always stuff that we don't know. I mean, 12 years ago, I thought, we thought, and we said a lot of what we're saying right now 12 years ago, but we didn't know enough, and it was very premature to say some of the things that we said. I remember specifically saying that I thought RG3 was going to win an MVP. You know, at some point in that season, I said, this is a future MVP. Yeah, nice, close, not really.

That season was incredible, but we didn't have enough information, and the stuff we didn't know didn't come out until really the season ended, you know, and it was coming from everywhere. coaches, players, others in the organization. So I guess it's possible that in this situation there's a lot that we don't know and it could play out similarly to 2012. But listen to what Cliff Kingsbury said earlier today. Asked about if there's anything about Jaden Daniels that has surprised him this year.

Here's what he said. I would say just the type he's as good a player as he's an even better person. towards his teammates, his coaches, like watching this Christmas stuff. He's a phenomenal human being above all else, and I didn't know him on that level. You know, I knew the tape. I was like, this is as good as I've seen progressing through and making plays with his feet, but he is a tremendous person. I guess Cliff could be bullshitting us, but I don't think so.

We've heard this kind of thing too often from too many other people. You know, the head coach, other coaches on the team, players on the team, unsolicited. Time will tell on all of this, but it seems to me when it comes to the other stuff, not the football stuff, it's been spoken for at this point by too many people. How many times do we need to hear Jaden Smart? He loves football. He's a big time hard worker. He's a good person. It's been pretty consistent from the jump when it comes to that stuff. There were some other things, by the way, from Kingsbury today that I wanted to play for you. On Sunday against the Eagles, Washington's running backs rushed for 32 yards on 15 carries. We talked about this in the game take. They were unable to run the football other than the quarterback.

The rest of the team, or the running backs in particular, barely over two yards per carry against that Eagle defense. Jaden, 81 yards rushing teams leading rusher. In three of the last four games now, this team has struggled rushing the football outside of the quarterback rushing the football against Dallas, the loss in Landover. Jaden was seven-carries 74 yards. The running backs, 17 attempts, 57 yards, just over three yards per carry. Against the Saints, Jaden was their leading rusher again, 11 for 66. The backs totaled 71 yards on 24 carries, less than three yards per attempt. And then we had the game against the Eagles on Sunday. Jaden leads the team in rushing with 81 yards. The backs combined for 32 yards on 15 carries. Cliff was asked today whether or not you can win football games consistently with their. that lack of production from your backs in the running game.

Here's what he said. I know you don't want to win that way, kind of not be able to run the ball effectively with the running backs, but is that something you can do consistently? If number five is healthy, yes. You know, I mean, in this league, you're going to have to run it at some point, particularly going to the NFC, you look at some of the teams, some place you may have to play.

But, yeah. Sam 48 asked Cliff that question, and the answer was yes. With number five healthy, you can win that way. If you didn't know this, Jaden's currently the team's leading rusher. He passed Brian Robinson, Jr. last week, and he's eight yards ahead of B-Rob. B-Rob's missed three games this year, as we know. But in terms of quarterbacks leading their teams in rushing and being successful as a team,

Lamar Jackson is the example in the history of the game, really. at least in modern football, post-merger football, last 50 years or so. Jackson led his team in rushing for five consecutive years, 2019 through last year, 2023, and his team's record during that period, 58 and 19 with him in the starting lineup. Interesting that he won't even come close to being his team's leading rusher this year with Derek Henry, more than a thousand yards ahead of Lamar Jackson right now. And Lamar's obviously picked it up this year in terms of his throwing ability, as we talked about in the open.

But Lamar is an example of your quarterback being a leading rusher and winning. There aren't a lot of other examples of the quarterback being the primary carries guy or yards guy. You know, even when you go back and you look at some of Michael Vicks' really good rushing seasons, Warwick Dunn was on that team and led the team in rushing. He had some big rushing totals on some pretty good Atlanta teams, but he wasn't the teams leading rusher, and their backs, Warwick Dunn was a major factor. Remember, RG3 in what became the all-time rookie rushing record season in 2012,

which Jaden's got a chance to pass in the final two games. He was a distant second on the team in rushing yard. to Alfred Morris. Justin Fields is the most recent example of a quarterback leading his team in rushing. He did that last year for a 7 and 10 Chicago team. In recent years, guys like Jalen Hertz and Josh Allen and Russell Wilson and Cam Newton, you know, these guys were really close in a couple of instances to being their teams leading rusher, but there were other big-time running back rushers on the team.

And I would say that Brian Robinson, Jr. is, you know, if he had played another three games, he'd clearly be the team's leading rusher. He's probably not going to rush for, you know, a number that at one point, it looked like he might rush for. I mean, I think at one point, I was thinking Brian Robinson, Jr. would easily be a 1,000-yard rusher, maybe an 1,100 or 1,200-yard back. But he's missed three games. He's rushed for 729. yards in 12 games to date. And, you know, he had that stretch, you know, early in the season. He rushed for a buck 33 against the Giants, 101 against Arizona, and basically three quarters. But, you know, other than the Tennessee game recently, a lot of his games have been sub-4 yards

per carry. He's 4.3 yards per carry for the season. And has not. been a big time pass catching target either. So they're not, you know, Echler in the backfield. By the way, that's good news, right? How about that? Let me just say this. I personally feel like they need to get more production out of the running backs. I understand what Cliff's saying, and Cliff kind of said the same thing. You don't want to live that way necessarily. So I'd love to see Brian Robinson get back on track. But how about the news about Austin Echler from the other day? I think it was Christmas Eve. Quinn said that Echler is trending the right way for a possible return this year. He said, quote, absolutely possible, closed quote. This is the last week of his

injured reserve stint, so they'd have to start that 21-day thing, I guess, next week after the Atlanta game. One last Kingsbury soundbite from today. He covers two interesting things in an answer to a question about the game-winning touchdown pass Sunday to Jameson Crowder. He was asked if that was Jalen's first read. Here's what he said. It was not. It was not. Jameson really sets it high and Zach comes underneath. And Zach's the main target.

But Friday practice, we rep that. And he hit Jameson like a one-handed dive-catch. And I was like, never seen that before. And then we hit in the game. So it was like some universe shit. And then the second play, this is a true story, the second play, we ended practice with a safe two-point conversion. And at the time, I'm like, who does a safe two-point conversion? Let's just throw it whatever.

But as a run play, you're up one. Hopefully they don't pick it off and run it back. And so that situation came up exactly like you did on Friday. So shout out DQ. And then Dave Gardier, a situational guy, manifested it. Some really good stuff there from Cliff Kingsbury in that answer. I actually found the second part of it as, if not. more interesting. But in terms of reppping that play on Friday and Jaden deciding not to throw to

Ertz, but he threw to Crowder and Crowder made the one-handed grab, Ertz is open on the play. If he goes to his first read, Ertz is being covered by Cooper DeGine. I think that's a touchdown. It's right at the goal line. I think he carries it into the end zone and they win that way too. The second part of that answer, though, where he talks about, you know, the two-point conversion. They were in safe two-point conversion, safe, S-A-F-E, two-point conversion. And the reason for that, and I think I talked about this in my recap, is that, you know, with a one-point lead, if you throw the ball and it gets picked, or if there's a fumble and it gets picked up and returned, it's two points, and all of a sudden you lose the game on the two-point conversion.

So they had repped that scenario on Friday. Dave Garty, who they brought in to be kind of a game situation guy this year from the league, discussed safe two-point plays. And you heard Kingsbury say, you know, it's a two-point play. Let's just throw for it. They ran the ball on that two-point play. They ran it to McNichols, and he pounded his way into the end zone for the two-point lead. but they had discussed that and planned for in the event we're up one with a little bit of time left.

We don't want to risk a pick of a two-point conversion and a return where we're all of a sudden losing the game. And that's the situation in which you would go for two there and run a safe two-point play. I thought that was kind of interesting. Anyway, you know, today, by the way, Marshawn Latimore, Andrew Wiley, both DNPs in practice for the Sunday game. Latimore, remember, has the hamstring issue. Wiley, by the way, held out today as well.

And Wiley's injury was the, groin. I was just looking it up. I was like, is that a hamstring or a knee? No, it's a groin injury from the other day. There were several other DNPs, Diami Brown, Jordan McGee, Tyler Owens, who played pretty well and injured his ankle. Cleland Farrell, who played pretty well, was limited today along with Terry with an ankle injury as well. Jonathan Allen, full. It's very possible. They'll have Jonathan Allen back on Sunday night against the Falcons. All right, let's finish up the show

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and I think it's definitely been blown away out of proportion. That was Zach Ertz just moments ago out Nashburn answering a question from reporters about a confrontation that he got into with Nick Siriani on the field following the game on Sunday. I had not heard about this until today. I think the holiday probably had something to do with it. But for those unaware, following the game on Sunday, during kind of post-game handshakes in the middle of the field,

Siriani and Ertz had to be separated. By the way, they got separated by that Eagles chief security guy, Dom. He was in the middle of this, separating the two. Now, according to reports, Siriani made some sort of comment about the lack of contribution that Ertz made to Washington's win. Ertz had one catch on the day, and Ertz took exception to it and came back towards Siriani and the two had to be separated.

Now, Siriani apparently zoomed Ertz and apologized to him. Siriani is really, I mean, I know the Eagles are really good, and I know that in that locker room, people say that the players love Siriani, God, publicly, you know, and as a coach, you know, in-game stuff, he just can be such a clown. You know, after that Cleveland game, he was, you know, back there jawing with fans who didn't like that the Eagles had barely beaten the Browns. This guy, I mean, look, this happens in competition. A lot of this does. But this guy just consistently ends up being involved in things like this.

actually was dealt during Siriani's first season in Philadelphia and got dealt to Cliff Kingsbury in Arizona. But that's what Ertz was talking about, saying the whole thing got blown out of proportion.

All right, got a smell test pick to finish up the show. Chicago tonight plus four and a half at home against Seattle. Seattle's a big public public play. And I know I've given out Chicago recently without much success. Had them last weekend against Detroit wasn't close. Had them the week before that against Minnesota. It wasn't close. I did have them there for like a three-week stretch where they covered easily and should have won

against Green Bay. Had them against Minnesota. Had them against Detroit on Thanksgiving Day. So they've been pretty decent at home this year, four and four at home overall. Seattle's been a good road team. Neither one of these two teams has been good against the number all year. Seattle has to win it. They have to pretty much win out and hope that the Rams lose to the Cardinals on Sunday. It's possible that the Rams could clinch via strength of victory with a win over the Cardinals, even if Seattle wins tonight.

But that's still to be determined based on the results of other games. But anyway, Seattle having lost two straight games, heartbreaker to Minnesota last week, and they got thumped by Green Bay, if you recall, the previous Sunday night. They really need this one, and the public is betting the team that has something to play for versus the team that has nothing to play for. I'll take Chicago, the team that has nothing to play for, plus the four and a half. five, two, and one last weekend, I think it was, and nine winning weeks in the last 10, I think it is now, something like that. It's been quite a role. And I got lucky by not giving out Houston yesterday,

but I'm not passing on Chicago tonight plus the four and a half. All right, that is it for this quick Thursday show back tomorrow with Jay Gruden and a preview of the big game on Sunday night.