The Kevin Sheehan Show - My QB Board

Episode Date: March 8, 2024

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You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. One guest on the show today. That guest is my good friend John Kime. I've actually already recorded the conversation with John.

And because we both started yacking so much as we are prone to do with one another, I'm actually going to break John into three parts. Two today and one tomorrow. I didn't want to edit too much of it. because I thought it was good stuff. Today we'll focus mostly on free agency, which begins next week and focus on Washington's plan for free agency. Tomorrow will be more draft focused,

but we'll work a lot into the conversation that I think will be new for some of you about the past. We'll do some of that today and tomorrow. But again, today more free agency, tomorrow more draft. John coming up in the next two segments. The show, as always, is presented by Windonation. Call them at 86690 Nation or head to Window Nation.com. Mention my name. You'll get a free in-home estimate. March is a critical time to be thinking about new windows. If yours are cracked, if they're older, if they're hard to open, hard to lock when you close them, call Windonation now. Give them the first shot. Free in-home estimate means, you've got no risk. And you'll also get access to their deal that they have right now, which is buy two,

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Connor's dad and I were friends at Maryland together, and we've remained friends. So I've known Connor since he was a young lad. He's a big listener to the show. And he listened the other day when Phil Mackey was on the show. Phil has a big-time podcast out of Minneapolis covering Minnesota sports and the Vikings in particular. And I had Phil on the show to talk about, you know who, as Galdi refers to Kirk Cousins. And some of the reports that had been out there linking cousins to Washington. And I thought Phil was really good.

I've had Phil on the show before. Phil was really good. Most of you acknowledge that. But sensing that there would be at least some people that didn't like the segment because any mention of you know who drives some people nuts, Connor wrote me the following. Hey, Kevin, I love how triggered people get from talking about the best QB that's played here in decades. Here is a fun thought process that will agitate every anti-K fan. Did we keep Kirk from becoming a Hall of Fame quarterback by not trading him to San Francisco?

Kyle, as in Shanahan, has been a contender every season he's had a healthy QB, and Kirk would no doubt be an upgrade from Jimmy G and Purdy. I think Kirk wins that first Super Bowl against Mahomes that Jimmy G lost. With how good they've drafted and done in free agency, I think they could have made as good of a roster with Kyle's favorite QB in the system. How many could they have won together? It's a shame we'll never know. Connor, that is so awesome.

I mean, I have certainly given it thought as to what Kirk would have accomplished had Washington traded him to San Francisco. I have also given thought to how great it would have been had Washington actually actually had the number two selection in that 2017 draft, because that was the offseason. That was Kyle's first year in San Francisco, and they had the number two overall pick. Now, they eventually traded that number two pick one spot back

to select Solomon Thomas so that Chicago could trade one spot ahead to draft Mitch Trubisky. I'm not sure what Washington. Washington would have done at number two in that draft. Remember, they had already traded for Alex Smith at the end of January. So quarterback would not have been a priority, I don't think. Now, the first quarterback taken in that draft was Tribisky by the Bears at number two, but Patrick Mahomes went 10 overall to Kansas City who traded up, and Deshawn Watson went to Houston at number 12. The second best player in that draft was Miles Garrett. He got picked number one overall,

And then Christian McCaffrey was probably the third best player in that draft. He went number eight overall to Carolina. In the top 10, there were some duds. You know, Trubisky, Solomon Thomas, Corey Davis, the receiver, and John Ross, who did nothing with Cincinnati. He had set the all-time combine mark for the 40, which got broken last weekend, ironically. But Ross turned out to be a nothing receiver. It's very possible Washington could have completely whiffed at number two overall, but you still should have made that trade. It became very obvious that you had to make that trade when you knew you weren't going to be able to keep him from unrestricted free agency after your second franchise tag.

But I love the email, Connor, and I will answer the Hall of Fame suggestion if he had been traded to San Francisco with John. at the beginning of the next segment. Needless to say, I think the overall winning, which Kirk obviously has not been a big winner in Minnesota, there would have been a lot more winning had he gone to San Francisco. You know, I did think, and I think I talked about this during the NFL playoffs, I did wonder whether or not Kyle would have pursued Kirk and Free Agency had Purdy and the 49ers gone out early.

and you know he did not play well against Green Bay and they were on the ropes in that divisional round game. But he put together a great drive. He played incredibly well in the fourth quarter of the Lions game and then played pretty well in the Super Bowl. So that's not going to be an option. Purdy is their guy. But Connor, thank you for that. That was a good email. So our good friend Ben Standing from The Athletic, you should subscribe to the Athletic for reasons. like what I'm going to describe. Ben put out his commanders mock draft 1.0 today. A nine-player draft. They have nine picks. They've got number two overall. They've got two in the second round, both of those early. They've got two picks in the third round. They've got a fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round pick as well. So he did a nine-player mock draft. I'm not going to read through it.

In fact, I just looked at the beginning part of it because I wanted to see who he had at number too, I'm going to get to the rest of it coming up. But he mocked Jaden Daniels to Washington at number two overall. And he wrote, quote, while public analysts generally send May, as in Drake May, to the commanders, anonymous executives in league sources lean Daniels. Now, I'm not keeping track of the overall count on who's got May mocked to D.E. and who's got Daniels mock to D.C. But it does feel like Ben is right that there are more Mays to Washington than Daniels to Washington.

But I would guess it's pretty close in mock drafts. I think the most important thing to know right now is that I am pretty confident that Adam Peters and his team and the organization, they don't know. They're not sure right now. So whatever you see mock to Washington is a guess at this point. Or it's the preferred player over the other, according to the author of that particular mock draft. I don't think the team has a strong lean one way or the other right now. When I say one way or the other, that would imply that there are only two choices, meaning May and Daniels, if you assume that Caleb Williams goes number one overall to Chicago.

I don't know that they have a preference at this point for any of the potential quarterbacks that could be there at number two. Now, yesterday, yesterday, the old coach, Ron Rivera, he has a preference. He made his media debut on NFL Live ESPN. I think he's going to be an analyst. He did not get a coaching job in this offseason, even though he interviewed for a few. He was on NFL live yesterday with Hannah Storm and Adam Schaefter. And Adam actually asked Ron. He said, what would you do if this were you with number two overall?

Here's what Ron Rivera said. You know, the big thing, more so anything else that you have to look at is the style offense they're going to run, though. You've got Cliff Kingsbury. Again, a guy that likes the mobile quarterback can move in the pocket that can make the play. when they're downfield and throw the football. I think the big thing is you've got to have a mobile quarterback. So I really do think that it's going to be, you know, one of these. So who would that be, coach, of these?

Well, Jaden Daniels, just because of the fact that, you know, we everybody expects Caleb to go first. And so to me, if this is the style of offense you're going to have, you've got to have that type of quarterback, a guy that can, again, you know, move around in the pocket, hold on to the football, find guys downfield, and just send it downfield to make. guys make plays. Does his slight frame concern you? Not necessarily because he is a big guy. He's going to add a little bit of weight again. I think he's the kind of guy, though, that will fit what

Cliff Kingsbury wants to do. So take that for whatever it's worth. I mean, it's Ron Rivera talking quarterbacks. I get it. He was hardly the quarterback expert or the quarterback guru when he was here. It's probably right, the number one reason on the list of reasons why Ron isn't coaching anymore. ability to get it right at quarterback. But I thought what was interesting about his answer, wasn't what he said, you know, mentioning Jaden Daniels as sort of a preference. It was what he didn't say. It never occurred to him at any point during that answer to even mention Sam Howe as a possibility. Sam Howe has the mobility that Cliff Kingsbury is looking for. He never mentioned Sam as a potential option instead of drafting a quarterback at two overall.

And I think that reflects exactly how he would feel right now if he were still in charge. He'd be looking for a quarterback at number two. And he might be looking for, because mobility was important to him too, Jaden Daniels. It's not like it's a hard answer at this point for most of us. But for him, you know, if he really still had any belief in Sam Hal, I think it would have been a part of his answer. But I also think that by the time we got to the end of the season, the belief in Howl by anybody that had it out there

or anybody that was, you know, pushing a belief in Howe, it was waning to say the least. I mean, after all, they benched Howe. Chacobo Berset didn't get a start, ultimately because of injury, but they benched Sam Howe. Anyway, I thought that that that. was notable. So the other day on radio, I did something with my producer Denton. And what we did is we put together our quarterback draft boards. We did our ranking of the top six quarterbacks in the draft. What's interesting, by the way, when you think about this draft, is just how solid everybody believes the top six are. Like, it's not like a top two or three with like another four or five guys interchanging with spaces or even a group of eight or nine with some guys thinking one guy's

a third rounder but one guy could go at the end of the first or early second. There are six guys and nobody talks about anybody else. I mean, some do. Spencer Rattler's gotten some attention, Joe Milton. But Williams, Daniels, May, McCarthy, Pennix, Jr., Knicks, they've been the guys that have been talked about going one through six. So we rank those guys one through six. So I wanted to mention my quarterback board. And we also had sort of an outside guy looking in, a guy that we liked from the rest of the pack. And so I'll mention that quarterback as well at the end. My number one is Caleb Williams, but barely over Jaden Daniels, who I have at number two. By the way, this is with the caveat of, obviously, I don't and you don't know the stuff that you

really need to know to put together a quarterback draft board. You know, it's all of the interviews and the due diligence, the things that we don't know what they know. But even if we had that information, we'd still probably get it wrong. But here it goes. So Williams number one, Daniels number two, but I have it as very, very close. I think the things that worry some people about Caleb Williams is some of the stuff that's not football related. You know, the request for equity by his father, some of the other things,

you know, the off-season discussion about how, you know, he didn't want to go to Chicago and he would leverage his position to potentially try to force his way to D.C. or maybe even go back to college football for another year, which he actually had the option to do. Caleb Williams is special as a quarterback talent. He has all the throws. He's got the accuracy, he's got the anticipations, he's got the anticipation. He's got the Mahomes-like playmaking skills. He's not tall. You know, he's 6-1, but he plays taller than his height. The things that people are concerned about with Williams, I can only go with my personal experience. Yes, my spider senses tingle a little bit as it relates to Williams, but I think a lot of that has to do with, you know, kind of what we've gone through is

a fan base with RG3, with Haskins, with Chase Young to a certain degree, but more so the first two, you know, having very active support structures that were, you know, entitled by the owner a bit too much. I mean, in Haskins case, really picked by the owner, RG3 was certainly picked by the owner. But Mike, as I've told you many times, signed off on that. But I, you know, it was a limited experience, don't get me wrong, but sometimes, you know, I'll go with first impressions. I was impressed when I spent two hours with Caleb Williams at this event at Gonzaga for his charity last spring. I came in and I talked about it. To me, he seemed to really have it together. He was smart. He was engaging. He's charismatic. I think maybe a lot of the Caleb Williams stuff

has to do more with maybe the supporting people around him and less about him. And less about him. He's a talent, he's my number one, but barely over Jaden Daniels, because I think Jaden Daniels has a massively high ceiling. You guys have heard it from me for months now. I don't need to go into the reasons why. I just think that he's got a chance to be special. I've got a concern about him that I don't have about Williams, and that is his frame. You know, he's taller than Caleb Williams, and I love that. But he's thin, and he looks breakable by NFL.

players if he's not careful. But I love Daniels, and I would definitely, if he's there, too, that would be my pick. My number three is not Drake May now. It's Michael Pennix, Jr. I think Pennix, Jr. is the best processing in the pocket, get it out quickly to the right spot on time accurately, allowing yards after catch of maybe any quarterback in the draft in terms of being a pre-snap, post-snap, standing tall in the pocket, processing quickly, getting it out to the right guy. I just, the more and more I think about Pennix Jr., and I've had a couple of guests on the radio show the last couple of days that have really talked up Pennix Jr. as well. And I just, I had forgotten what I thought about when I was watching him

against Oregon is a double-digit near double-digit underdog in the Pac-12 championship game, and how brilliant he was in that game, how brilliant he was against Texas in the semifinals. I think Pennix Jr. is going to be a really good pro quarterback. The injuries were all at Indiana. He's older. Okay. I'm not knocking anybody for being older at that position. That position doesn't begin to bloom until somebody's in their 30s. If he's better than May and McCarthy and Nix, I'm not holding his age against him at that position. I actually think it's silly to do that at the quarterback position in the NFL.

I understand why a 19-year-old in the NBA draft has a ceiling that we have no idea what it'll be, and we're really drafting us, you know, in the form of a scratch-off ticket. Like, I understand that. And the 24-year-old is a more fully-baked product, you know, as a basketball player. But NFL quarterbacks, come on, man, we've all watched this. It takes forever in some cases. I like Pennix Jr. more than I like Drake May. I like Drake May, though.

Don't get me wrong. If Washington selected May, and it's not just benefit of the doubt, Kev, I would be behind that. I think May's got some big-time, like, scary comps to guys like Justin Herbert when you watch him play at his best. But there were things about his game that there are things about his game that concern me. He drifts a lot in the pocket. He seems to not really find receivers as quickly. The processing may be a little bit slow.

He's a big-time playmaker. He can make every thrown. He's a big dude. And some of these things can probably, you know, be worked on. Because you can see some of it in the games that he didn't play well in. I mean, he doesn't feel it as obviously as Pennix Jr. does or as Daniels or as Williams does in the pocket. But I like so much about May. He's number four on my list.

McCarthy and Nicks, to me, are then separated from those top four. And I'll go McCarthy 5, Knicks at 6. Look, McCarthy clearly has a lot of building momentum in terms of his intangibles. But again, I just personally didn't get a chance to see him do what you saw the other guys do. And I think that's the biggest issue I have with McCarthy. He may turn out to be the best of the bunch. But as a college football fan, I didn't get a chance to see him do what Williams-Daniels, May and Pennix Jr. did, which was carry their teams in many cases because their defenses,

certainly in the case of USC, LSU, and North Carolina were so bad. McCarthy had a great supporting cast, a great defense, a great running game, a coach that leaned on that. He could end up being the best, but I got to go on based on what I watched. Knicks to me is solid, but man, it's that Oregon system, Dan Lannning, everything that's come off, you know, all the coaches that have been there. It just seems like you can put almost anybody in there and they're going to come up with big numbers. But I like Nix. I like his decisiveness. I like his playmaking ability. Outside looking in, Keaton Slovis from BYU, who was USC's quarterback. And it's funny because I had a friend of mine mentioned to me that the guy that really

wowed some people at the combine with his 40 time was Keaton Slovis. And so when I heard this, he ran 4-5-5 at the combine. I'm like, damn, I just liked him as a quarterback when he was at USC. Not so much at Pitt. Okay at BYU. Now at USC, he had Michael Pittman, Jr., he had Drake London, and he had Amon Ross St. Brown as receivers. But I remember watching some of those USC games going, this guy looks like a pro quarterback. The way he hangs in there, the way he processes, the way he gets it out, he could make every throw.

I didn't really realize he was like super athletic. He's athletic, I knew that, but not four or five, five athletic. But that would be the guy that, you know, if somebody took on, On day two, or on night two in the second or third round, I would say, yeah, I could see why they liked Keaton Slovis. Williams, Daniels, Pennix, Jr., May, McCarthy, Nix, and then Slovis. One more thing, and then we'll get to John. And that is the big story of the day news-wise, somewhat sports-wise, is that Virginia lawmakers basically have nixed the plan to bring the Wizards and Caps to D.C.

So they had an afternoon where they were hoping to get it reinserted into the budget, but they did not. I will read from the Post story from late this afternoon. Leading Virginia lawmakers have stripped plans for a new Wizards and Caps arena from the state budget that the General Assembly is expected to approve on Saturday blocking Governor Glenn Yonkin's best shot at bringing the teams to Alexandria and dealing a severe blow to the deal the governor has touted as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Calling the move a, quote, colossal mistake closed quote this afternoon. Yonkin told reporters that one senator, Senator L. Louise Lucas of Portsmouth, Virginia, though he did not name her, was acting as a single roadblock.

It just befuddles me that we're not talking today about how to deliver it. Now, for those unfamiliar with L. Louise Lucas, the Democrat from Portsmouth, she is the Senate Finance and Appropriations Committee chairwoman in the state of Virginia. And for those that want the arena to remain downtown, for the caps and wizards to remain in D.C., she's the hero, it would appear. Now, whether or not she really understands the whole package and whether or not this is mostly political on her part, who knows. But she appears to be the one who has been the roadblock and will end up being the hero

if it does actually completely fall through, which it appears to have done. Lucas, by the way, watched Yonkin's news conference today and said afterwards, Quote, I am a roadblock, yes. A better deal would be if they paid for it themselves. She said, I do not believe the arena and it's $1.5 billion in public debt is a good deal for taxpayers. So the only thing that she would be okay with is if Ted paid for the entire project on his own. And she used her position to essentially kill it in the Senate. It had passed in that house, got killed in the Senate.

The budget's going for a vote on Saturday, and it does not include the plan to bring the capitals and the Wizards to Northern Virginia. Now, there appears to be an option or two to revive it. A Yon could introduce a budget amendment or send, you know, a standalone bill down a little bit later. but apparently he has no immediate plans to do so and said today, quote, the next step is for the General Assembly and particularly the Senate to embrace the opportunity. It's their move, closed quote. So that was an indication to a lot of people who are kind of following this closely, that now he's trying to blame the Senate, which it's true.

It is their fault, but that he's not going to go the route, which may be a difficult route anyway. of introducing a budget amendment or creating a standalone bill for it. So, you know, we're here roughly three months after that, you know, press conference at Potomac Yard where Ted and Glenn Yonkin and others were so emotional, so giddy, so excited. Ted looks bad. Ted looks foolish.

You know, he acted. and behaved as if this was a done deal. With that said, I will say what I've said for three months running, especially after that post story came out about a month ago. Sam 48 was a part of that story that led you through the blow by blow of how the whole thing came together and how much the district dropped the ball in the process. I'm not sure that I would have felt any differently than Ted did, given the opportunity that was in front of me from Virginia and the way I was being treated by D.C. But with that said, if he's staying in D.C., I hope and I would guess that D.C. will leave the last deal that they offered, even though they technically got more leverage now, that they would leave that deal standing to offer $500 million to improve the Capital One arena.

I want them to stay in D.C. I think it would have been devastating for D.C. had they left, and it now looks like it will happen. By the way, D.C. Council Chairman Phil Mendelsohn late this afternoon said that the city's $500 million offer remains available to monumental should they keep the teams at Capital One Arena. The mayor did not weigh in on anything today. But Mendelsohn said, quote, as a deal in Virginia remains uncertain, It continues to be our position that monumental sports should stay, and our offer remains on the table, close quote. So there it is. Yeah, the D.C. should not haggle. They should consider this a second chance at a bite at the cherry or a bite at the apple,

however the saying goes, and be lucky that they're getting this second opportunity. All right, John Kime next right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show is brought to you by my book. Go to MyBooky.orgie. Use my promo code, Kevin D.C., and you'll get a cash bonus on your initial deposit. Guys, two weeks from today, the first round of the NCAA tournament. March 21st, two weeks from today, 16 games start at noon and after midnight. Friday, another 16. The weekend gives you eight on Saturday, eight on Sunday. There may not be a better weekend on the sports calendar.

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We will get to kind of the free agency and a period next week, the draft as well. But there's an email that I read at the beginning of the show today that I'm going to read to you and then we're both going to delve into answering this email. It comes from Connor, John, and he writes, Kevin, love how triggered people get from talking about the best quarterback that's played here in decades. Here is a fun thought process that will agitate every anti-Kirk fan. Did we keep Kirk from becoming a Hall of Fame quarterback by not trading him to San Francisco. Kyle has been a contender every season he's had a healthy quarterback, and Kirk would no doubt be an upgrade from Jimmy G. and Purdy. I think Kirk wins that first Super Bowl against

Mahomes that Jimmy G lost. With how good they've drafted and done in free agency, I think they could have made a good roster with Kyle's favorite QB in the system. How many could they have won together. It's a shame. So let's kick off our John Kahn conversation with agitating the anti-Kerkers. I think Connors right. I think Connor's right. I think that we certainly think about Kirk much differently because he would have won much more and probably been in a lot more playoff games and won more playoff games. I don't know about Hall of Fame or Super Bowl because his numbers, his cap number may have prevented San Francisco from doing some of the things they did with the roster, but it would have been, I mean, it's an interesting thought.

And as you know, they very easily could have and should have traded him to San Francisco during, you know, during that 2017 off season. Well, they should have, you know, it's funny because I talk to people now on that, who are on that staff, whether it's Jay or some others, and they're like, they get annoyed by that because, like, even Jay is like, if you're not going to sign them, then trade them. Of course. He was looking at a story that I wrote a couple years ago about life after Kirk Cousins and what this team has been through and how they've tried to find a quarterback.

And our Vikings reporter, Kevin Sefer, tweeted out and like, oh, yeah, I guess I wrote that. And I went back and looked at what Jason, and there's like, basically, it was, he didn't say this, but I'm going to paraphrase the height of stupidity to not get more than a third-round comic for this guy. Yeah. And he's right. I mean, just think about, like, think about some of the talent they've had and the lack of value that's gotten back in return. And he and Trent Williams would be exhibits one and one A. And, you know, for a quarterback who was, whatever you think of him, he's a good quarterback.

If you just think he's that, if that's all he is is a good quarterback, there's a ton of value in that. I mean, look at what the Giants paid Daniel Jones last year for God's sake. and, you know, and I think if he had been out with, it's funny that you say that because, like, I was, when the Niners run, if they don't get to the Super Bowl, I wonder, does just Kyle go after him? And I know how much he likes Brock Purdy. I know. I know a lot of it is the cap. But if he doesn't, if they don't make that run, do they go after him? Because you drop Kirk in there, it's, like, it's, it's really, it's, they're going to be really, really good.

And now, I think the other problem is it's the cap number. And the problem this team always had with him was going to a certain point is, can you build around him? And I think you put him in there with that talent. And yes, just strip the money aside. He's going to be really good. But you can't put the money aside because it impacts everything else. So then you'd have to look and say, all right, if you do that and he's making 45 per, what else can't you do? Yeah, no.

cover up those things. You're not trading for Christian McCaffrey. That's right. Yeah. They take him away right now. Yeah. That's a great example of what you can't do. And my guest the other day, and I've known Phil a little bit for a while, but he essentially made the point because he's been a big Kirk skeptic in Minnesota, and, you know, I'm a big Kirk backer in D.C. So we had a good conversation, but he said, at the end of the day, you can't pay elite

quarterback money to a non-elite quarterback and hope to win big. You can go from seven wins to 11 wins and you can be a playoff team, but it handicaps your ability to put the kind of roster you need to around that quarterback because he's not Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow. And I've always felt that way. I totally agree with that. You know, you mentioned not getting enough value back for Trent or for Kirk, and we've got so many examples. But it's also the value they gave away for a player like Carson Wentz.

You know, it's like they just were on the wrong side of so many deals for so long. It was amazing. I mean, we can go back to, you know, what they gave up for guys like T.J. Duckett back in the day with Brandon Lloyd. I mean, because like, Brad, oh my God.

But T.J. Duckett was the all-time. That's a second and a third because they didn't, because they didn't want, I think it was the Eagles to get them or something like that. I can't remember. Yeah, and then at the end of his career, they gave up a third, I think it was, for Jason Taylor, who was a great player, but that was a guy goes down immediately.

Philip Daniels. But Philip Daniels went down, and they thought they were going to be good that year, and so they gave up that pick for Jason Taylor. Yeah, so you can go all the way back with that. And even like with Carson Went, a lot of that, it goes back to the owner. Yes. And I think one of the things, one of the things that it's funny because there are a lot of times I get asked by fans, why aren't they doing this? I'm like, the guy who would have done that sold the team?

Is that really what you want to copy? And I look at like the Wendsts deal, that never happened with Josh Harris because even if these guys said, yeah, I think this is the guy that we like, we want to go get. I think they would have known that they're going to release them. Just be patient. Dan couldn't be patient with anything. And so, like, that was what I was told to me a couple times was Dan basically told him, you want him, get it done today. And the Colts knew it, and they were going to hold them, like, we're not going to do anything

until you give us this. So, and they, like, Dan, like, get it done. So that was part of the, that's partly why they made so many bad moves. Yeah. It's because of that. And then you look at, like, with Trent, obviously, with Trent and with Kirk, If they had people in Trent's year where he was sitting out right away, they're like, hey, just pay him. He just wants the money.

Pay him. And if not, then trade him. Yeah. It was a stupid game they played. And then they didn't want to trade him to San Francisco because of ill feelings with Kyle. Like, who operates this way? You know what I mean? Like, it's, I mean, there's so many times I think back on that regime, I'm thinking, this is unbelievable that people had to live through.

following that team with those people in charge. It was idiocy. I think the last time we heard Dan's voice was before that commission for the sports book at FedEx when he's pitching the upcoming team

and he said we finally got our quarterback. It's almost like he forced them to do that deal so he could pitch to the commission for the sports book at FedEx that, hey, we got Carson Went. I mean, it's really, it's quite remarkable how many red flags they just drove right through. It just never matter. And I thought, like, I thought Carson would at least be better than what they had.

And you watch him against the Colts, like, okay, if he plays like this, and he's coming to you, he has better this and that. And then it's like, no, it didn't work. Well, I did think the upside was going to be better than Taylor Heineke. But there were just, it's like it's the exact same thing to a lesser degree with Russell Wilson right now. When two teams decide to tell you to get the hell out of their building at great expense to them, there's something wrong. Like Philly and Indy, two decent organizations, certainly the former, took massive hits.

In Indy's case, they had traded a first rounder a year. year before and they didn't want to have anything to do with him. Russell Wilson, back-to-back teams didn't want to have anything to do with him, didn't want them in the building. I mean, you can't ignore those things. You just can't. So you're saying they should sign Russell now? Although I did say yesterday to Tommy, I actually, in watching him this season, thought he played well. I did not think. Yeah, I talked. Yeah, go ahead. No, I talked to our, you know, I talked to people out there who felt like it was, that it was, there are not, some people out there,

aren't necessarily fans of Sean Payton. And they felt like Russell played well enough. But I think that it's like, what's the cost? And I do, I do agree with you. Like, you always, when somebody gives away talent, especially at that position, you have to question why. And I don't think that, I think there's,

I'm not a believer that Sean Payton is like, the guy's gift to coaching, but he is obviously a good coach. And he clearly wants, good quarterback. And so what was it about him that didn't work with him? Is it just, you know, what? And then in Seattle, I know, like, part of the reason they want to trade him,

they felt he would hit his peak, and that his game wasn't going to age as well as they'd hoped. So, you know, you have to go by that. And I will say, like, if he ends up in Pittsburgh, probably a good spot for him. Yeah, and if he doesn't, you know, and a guy like Mike Tomlin, who's got a need, that says something, too.

See, they're a smart organization. You reminded me of, you know, 2010. Easter Sunday, 2010. I'll never forget when the news came down that McNabb had been traded for. And I was, ESPN called me and asked me if I'd go down to that studio, you know, downtown, the ABC studio that they used to use all the time to do a hit on Easter Sunday night, which I did. And I said, look, this is just me, but why would I, Andy? Andy Reid trade a quarterback to a team in his division if he's got a lot left. And John, I think I've told this story before to people who are listening.

That is the one time I ever got called by the Red Zebra Higher Ups. I got a call from, yeah, I got a call from our CEO, Bruce Gilbert, that Easter Sunday night. And he said, what did you just say? I said, well, this is what I said. you can probably get a copy of it. He said, yeah, they and they included probably Dan and this guy, Mark Shapiro, who was, you remember, who was a big part of Red Zebra and Dan's media stuff. They were not happy.

I was concerned there because we had never heard anything for four years ever. And by the way, since that night, never heard anything since about anything we said about the team. But they listened to it and they, you know, whatever. but I remember just saying Andy Reid. That's Andy Reid. Why would he trade McNabb to us in the division if he's got a lot left? But those weren't things that ever occurred to the previous regime, but we've got a new regime. But you know who else wondered that? You did. Kyle Shanahan. Yeah, I think, but Kyle Shanahan. I mean, you know, they didn't listen to him. Well, they didn't listen to Mike either. You know, Mike wanted, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you know, that, that, that, that, you know, that, that, that, that, that, that.

year, Mike wanted Mark Bulger. He's the quarterback that he really wanted, but Bulger retired. And so they were sitting there with, you know, not a lot of answers. And they came to him with the Donovan McNabb idea. And he said, I'll only do it if we give up no more than a fourth and we're not picking up any of, you know, we're not extending the deal. We're not picking up the rest of deal. Philly's going to share it with us. It was that kind of a deal. They came back and said, you, we couldn't work out any of that stuff. So we had to give up a second and a fourth,

and we've got, we've got, we've got, the whole contract on the books. That was, that was quite a year, and Donovan would hide behind, Donovan would hide behind his agent, and I thought it was kind of a kind of a weak move where

anything that was going out of the law, I'm just doing, your agent works for you. So don't quit, quit playing with him. I also remember, remember sitting in church on Christmas Eve because there was a spat between Kyle and, you know, Fletcher Smith, who was Donovan's agent and getting text while waiting for Massa's out on Christmas Eve and in church. It was just, it was crazy. And, but, you know, but I know like a lot of players are like he wasn't who I thought he was going to be as far as like being quarterback, being a leader. But I also remember Kevin calling Jason Campbell at Easter night and saying, hey, what did you think

about this, he's like, oh, he didn't know that it happened. So, yeah, that was interesting. Well, it was the end. We finally got to that point, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, and if I'm remembering it incorrectly. But when he wouldn't wear the wristband, which they begged him to do, they finally And other quarterbacks do it. He just would not do it.

He thought it was insulting. but we got to that point where, you know, they questioned it was after the Detroit game. It was before the Monday Night Massacre game against Philadelphia. Where Mike questioned things like stamina and, you know, playbook, you know, the whole thing. And people, you know, people tried to frame it with, you know, in some sort of racial, with some sort of racial intent behind it. And so what did they do? They had to give them that kind of phony, baloney press release contract extension

before the night they got it absolutely housed by Philadelphia, right? That was one of the best games I've ever seen by a quarterback, but it was by Michael Vick. Vic. That was a, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a better game in person by a quarterback. Just start to finish dominant in every phase. And it starts with the first play. First play to Deshaun. play where Deshaun, like, Maran's mouthing off before the game.

Landry, yeah. They're basically saying, yeah, they're telling them, like, they're coming at you on the first play, and he still couldn't. It still got it. I mean, that was, I thought, I went back and looked at the game. I just assumed, like, Deshaun had, like, four or five catches for whatever. It was his only catch of the game, and it was. Was it really?

Wasn't it, like, 90 yards or something like that? It was, like, I think it was 75, maybe. But it was, but from that point, like, about, game's over. It was just, it was incredible. But yeah, the whole night with the, you feel like, okay, they're giving this extension, then you realize, yeah, but he can void it after the season. It's really, yeah.

But Loran Landry was mouthing off in warm-ups, like you said, and the first play, they go deep. And I don't think, still to this day, I've ever seen an NFL game where the score was 35 to nothing at the end of the first quarter. Now, it may have been the first play of the second. quarter, they got to 35, but it was such a beating. Who was the running back that ended up with all the yards for us and the catches? I'm forgetting his name. I'm looking, I'm trying to pull up the box score quickly here because they played a running back, and he played a lot

that year. Keelan Williams. Oh my God. You know, you could have given me 20, minute and I wouldn't have pulled that one out. Well, I didn't, I had to pull it up in the box score. Keelan Williams here. So first of all, the first touchdown was 88 yards on the first play of the game, Vic to Deshawn Jackson. And Keelan Williams ended up with 89 yards, two touchdowns rushing, and 50 yards in a touchdown pass for exceptions. Because they came back, Washington ended up scoring 28 points in that game. Final score was 59 to 28. Right. Yeah, no, and that was the year, because that was the Ryan Terrain year, too.

Yeah. You could make any backwards. He was the primary bat. Right. But, yeah, no, that was, all I remember is just how great Vic was, and it was so much fun to watch that guy play like that. I mean, it was just, you know, I remember there was a game that Peyton played here. I think when he was with the Colts, and it was as surgical a game as I've seen, and it's funny because it all, it, even in that game, like, he had like three touchdowns,

that Vic was more dynamic. But in that game, Peyton had three. But he also threw two picks. But he threw two picks because of his ability to throw with anticipation. If you're not in the right spot, it could be a pick. But it was just like there was such a surgical procedure to it. But I still say Vic's game was the best. It was an awesome night by a quarterback.

You know, that season, I'm just looking now at the thing. Because that was Chip Kelly. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Chip Kelly's debut was 2013. in Philly. That was the money. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. But the 2010 season, week two, they beat Dallas on Sunday night football. Week two, they played the Texans.

And they lost the game in overtime, 30 to 27. McNabb threw for 426 yards in the game. And I remember Mike saying if McNabb actually knew the playbook, he would have thrown for 600 in that game. And we would have never lost the game. Yep, right? Yeah, yeah. And that year ended with, of course, Rex taking over in those final three weeks. I loved Rex.

Oh, who didn't love Rex? He was just the, he was such a great dude, and he had such a great attitude, and everybody in that locker room loved him. You know that. They did. And, oh, yeah, and he was also, like, really good at why when they drafted. Robert and Kirk, he was the good one to have around because he could get along with anybody. And he was good for, I think, both of them.

But I also like, because just his mindset, because the one year in 2011, he's playing, and they actually moved the ball pretty well. That year he just kept throwing picks, and he gets benched for John Beck. And, you know, Beck was just terrible. And I remember even, because, like, after three games, I remember he actually talking to Kulian in the locker. and I was like, would you pull him out now? He goes, dude, I would have pulled him out two games ago. Because he was just bad.

But with Rex, like, they benched him, and then when he came back, he was, like, ultra-conservative his first game. Well, remember. Remember. But then the next game, though, the next game, he just goes, he tells us in the press room, he goes, I just said, you know, I just said, I just got to go down field. And it's like, that's the Rex we know and love. And he would be picks, but there'd be fun.

Oh, yeah. I mean, but I think I'm right about this. He got benched. They started like three and one that year. Like they, you know, the one loss was like this Monday night game in Dallas that they easily could have won. But he got benched for a game at Carolina. He was sick, though. Like they had brought in back the week before, but I think he had pneumonia or something like that. I don't think it was ever reported. Yeah, no, he was sick, yep. He was really sick. And then it gave them a chance to put Beck in.

He was terrible. And then, you know, Rex came back and was Rex. You know, it's funny that you mention, you know, Rex kind of being in between the Kirk and Robert relationship, which, as we both know, was not very close. But I think the guy that would be the most interesting. And I doubt he'll ever talk about Colt. Yep.

Because Colt's got stories. Now, he's never, ever gone public with any of them. No. Agreed. It would be very good. And it's funny because, like, when he was here, I remember telling him a couple times he could write a heck of a book. He could write a good book. Oh, yes, yes, yes.

If he wanted to. And that's not his style. No. But if he wanted to, he could. Yeah. And it'd be a really good read. It'd be a good read for our fans. Well, it'd be an interesting read, certainly for our G3 fans.

That's true. Yeah. I think it's for all everybody because, yeah, I think, yeah, it could have been an interesting read. Yeah, you know, and look, people are sitting there wondering what we're talking about. Colt, I don't know that Colt loved Kirk either, but he was. That's what I'm saying. I think it'd be a good read. Yeah, he was not a big fan of Kirk either, but.

He was there to watch the dynamic between the two and to see how it worked with the coaching staff and the locker room and everybody else. Yeah, I wish that guy would coach, but he might just be, I know that at one point he thought about it, and I always appreciated, like, part of the reason why he went to the Giants after left here, this is swerving in different direction, but it was because he wanted to play in a different system

in case he did want to become a coach. You want to learn more different offenses. and just see what would work and what wouldn't know. He was, anyway. Have you, I have actually, just because of the Kingsbury thing, I've reached out to him a couple of times because I thought he'd be a great guy to have on to talk about Kingsbury. But he's gone silent other than the podcast that he does. I think he does a podcast with a friend of his or something. Yeah.

There's something for Underdog fantasy, which is really good. Yeah. Anyway, all right. Well, we didn't intend on going down memory lane here. So let's get to some of the important stuff. We'll start it with free agency and we'll do it right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show is brought to you by Magnin Motors. If you're into Highline Exotic Cars, well, check out Magdon Motors.com.

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big, big spenders. You know, I don't think they're going to have these, but it's funny because, like, I say, no splash signings, right? And I'd be very surprised about that, but then I guess it's, like, what's your definition of a splash signing? But they need, like, they have a lot of cap space. That doesn't mean they're going to spend crazily. And I think the other thing is they need, a lot. Like you need two starting defensive ends. You need two, three, probably three starting offensive linemen. So I think, you know, you're going to need to find another corner. You can't draft all these guys. And so you, those are, I think if you want to find solid players, you're going to spread it around a little bit. And then maybe, you know, then I would start looking at

contracts that you can do some things with that maybe you can be creative and get it into this year, right? Yeah, no, I've talked about that on the show, yes. Yeah, and I think, like, that's something that I would start to do, too, is set it up for the long term. Don't go get, don't go chasing really bad contracts in an effort to go eight and nine. You know what I mean? And I think some of those, there's teams that have been, what was the Giants with six, seven years

ago, kind of did that. the Jaguars a couple years ago and Peterson's first year, they made a big splash with the moves, and it's fine. It got them to a certain point, but are they just stuck in that spot? And now some bills are coming due, and you may have to release them, right? So I just think that you just have to be smart with it. So I expect them, I would say, to be active, but active could mean you're going to get guys who are, you know, people hate this, but just depth guys, because this is what we heard four years ago, too, right?

You know, we heard like, hey, they're going to, we're going to get some guys who just provide depth. That's what they wanted. And in some cases, they actually did do that. You know, that first grade series, you had, you know, one was J.D. McKissick, one was Logan Thomas. Those are good signing. But they also got Curtis Samuel. I mean, I'm trying to think of that first year. Yeah, the injury thing with him was an issue.

Yeah. But, you know, Curtis, when he was healthy, could help them. But the point is, like, I don't expect them to go and get, you know, whoever, whatever top of the end free agent you think is out there. I don't expect that. But I think you've got to find some offensive linemen. You've got to find a center. You cannot, to me, you cannot put a rookie quarterback behind a rookie center.

So you're going to have to find one that you, that you're going to have. So, but are they going to be break the bank guys? I don't think so. But I think you're going to have to, I think you're going to have to be active because you have that many holes. You have a lot of spots to fill. What about their own free agents? Who will they be interested in resigning? Well, they're interested in Cam Curl.

I'm interested to see where this goes because there's obviously been contact, but I just, I wonder, there's a couple things, Kevin. One, and I had talked about this in my podcast, but they also was talking to somebody in the league who really likes Cam, who thought he was like, thought he would get in that $8 million range. Now, that's just one person's opinion, right?

But it was, it's an opinion that I was like, okay, I pay attention to him. I know this guy likes it. And someone else, you know, other people have been kind of in that range, and the heart part, so that's the hard part for Cam, is that, where do you,

where do you feel you should be at? And I think the safety market is getting depressed because a lot of guys have been released at that spot. How is that going to impact his ability to get the deal he wants? So, I mean, I think the guy can play. I think, you know, everybody that I've talked to feel he'd be a good fit with Dan Quinn D, but the value has to be it.

But he has a guy that they want would like back. It's just, you know, my fear with him, Kevin, is if he gets too free to see, that to me is one foot out the door. Because I think he's a guy that I think wanted them to take care of him before this point. And once you get out that door, it's like, you know what, I'm just going to go starting you. I could see that. Now, the tampering period will be interesting.

What comes out of that? Let's see. Who else? Curtis Samuel, I don't, I have a hard time seeing that one. Kendall Fuller, not so sure about that one. you know Antonio Gibson don't see that one

Kobe Brissette hard to see that one Why is it hard to see that one because there's just going to be a solid market for him? I think there could be you know listen he's a guy

I bring back just because I think he's such a solid pro and veteran it also may be from his standpoint do you want to stay and always be that mentor you have a few years left

where maybe you can can go challenge someone for a starting job. You know, like he came off a year in Cleveland where he actually felt like he had taken a step in his career, and then last year he never really got that chance because Howe was able to play every game, and it never really, the competition,

and I always thought this and said this, that the competition last year was between Sam and Powell. If as long as he played it in a certain way, Jacoby wasn't going to get it because they're going to roll the base with him. Yeah. But if you're Jacoby, I think I would want to go somewhere where I have a chance to compete for something and not just mentor a young kid again because how many more years do you have left where you have that ability to go in and play and just to see. So I think that, you know, so I don't know necessarily what I just, you know,

the tea leaves that it would say he probably would not be back. What do you make about just this increasing number of safeties on the market as it relates to camcourl? I mean, It's going to hurt him a little bit right to a certain degree, but it also gives Washington more options. It does. And so I think that's why I say. I think that safety market becomes a bit depressing. I don't know, when you're looking at some of these deals that are coming out now, how much do you want to invest in safety unless it's like Ed Reed in his prime?

Or, you know, I mean, I always say there are only a couple of safeties I would have paid like that, one of which would have been, Sean Taylor, Ed Reed, you know, the, I mean, Earl Thomas, guys like that who are massive playmakers. And because otherwise, you're going to, you're going to want to invest in the line. You're going to want to invest in both lines, right, the end for these guys in tackle or guard or set up. So I do think it, but I think, I just wonder if a lot of teams kind of feel that way, but also, Kevin, like, safetys have never been greatly valued in the league, you know, because a lot

teams will feel like it's what happens in front of them is the difference. When Carolina made it to the Super Bowl, they had, oh, man, is a journeyman safety back there for them. Yeah, the guy that's a former Buckeye, just drawn a blank. But it was like, but they didn't invest a lot in it because they invested in the front seven. So I think, like, if you get a guy with. Kurt Coleman.

Kurt Colt. Thank you. But if you can invest, you can invest in a guy who's a leader and all that, well, you don't have to pay a lot. I think that's what they need. And then when you look here, if I'm Washington, you think, listen, we like Juan Martin. We like Derek Forst. How much do you more do you need to invest in that position? So I think that's where it's hard for Cam and the position he plays. And the guy's a good player, and he does help them. But, you know, I just, I wonder from their standpoint, and I know, like, they've always been complimentary toward him. It's just, with this point, it's just about value. And I think the position, the positional value with all these guys out there,

it's going to depress the market a little bit, which gives them more of an advantage to get a guy, either with him, or if you want to go and sign, and I'm just throwing it in a name, like if Jordan Porter, you want to sign to a one-year deal, you can do that, because now you have some of these young guys, and now you have a veteran presence back there. So there are ways you can do it, but they do have guys that can still roll at that position if they want, which is why I think you're going to be judicious with how you spend things. I think your point about the center position is a really good point, and Nick Gates is not a part of this roster anymore.

But you know who I think when he was healthy, and that wasn't all the time. but you talk about a veteran's smart center, at least with the last regime, and he's an unrestricted free agent, and I can't imagine there's going to be a big market for him. I wonder if they consider bringing Tyler Larson back. I don't know, but man, he just gets hurt a lot. I know. That's the problem. And so I'm not, I don't want to invest in guys who get hurt a lot.

So I don't know if I'm them, you know, shoot, if they wanted to go in, vest in the center, you got the kid from Dallas, Biotish, that Dan Quinn would know. Now, I don't know what his price tag will be, but that's a guy that, you know, it's a guy that you know, and it's a guy who's been durable. And I think one of the problems here has been the lack of durability at that position, and they go out and draft a young guy who gets hurt. I mean, you know, like in Ricky Stromberg, and I'm not laughing at the injury, it's just more the situation that they just, it just was a difficult spot for them to fill. And Chase Ruiy was a solid

center. Got hurt a few times, and it just happens. You know what? Offensive linemen in general get hurt a lot. And it's one of the reasons that our fan base gets wrapped up in how bad they think the O line is, and then they don't

understand some of the advanced numbers that say it's not as bad. It's because these are rankings and there are lots of really bad offensive lines in the league. you know, because it's a position that gets ravaged by injury a lot. But it's also injuries, and you know the other thing, Kevin, too, and I remember watching, like, the Buffalo game and watching Josh Allen.

Josh Allen isn't just a guy who stands back there and holds the ball. He was getting the ball of the fans quick a lot of times. I remember thinking, like, if this, I always felt like the line and the quarterback here were mismatched. Like, if you had had a veteran quarterback behind this group, they're going to look a lot better. Now, I wouldn't say they're a great line, but they would have looked a lot better. You mean like Jacoby Bressett did when he came in?

Yeah, but with Sam, they failed to build a good line for him, for what he was going to need, and for the situation he was in. Now, I know some people here, I talked to him during the season after the season, they felt like that they knew going into season, the line wasn't going to be that quick,

great, but they also didn't think they'd try to throw the ball 70% of the time. So you didn't help the kid, and you didn't help them by what you put out there, and you didn't help them with the play calling. So there are ways to mitigate some of that. Now, with the, you know, so that's why I say, like, you know, I keep hearing this, you've got to fix the line before you can take the quarterback. Well, no, you've got to, like, look at next year's, I was talking about with this with someone earlier. Next year's quarterback class could be really bad in the draft.

So you need to get the guy when you get them, but you can still improve the line multiple ways. Now, I don't know if they will, but you can improve it through scheme, you can improve it through, you know, how you use the quarterback, what you have to do, the emphasis is what you're calling, et cetera. So there are, there's so much that goes into it. I mean, you look at the lines they had here with Gibbs, and it's not like all these guys were, they weren't high round draft picks. most of them were not. But they stayed together and they knew how to use them. So netting it out. Netting it out on free agency,

we understand where you are in terms of, you know, the active, superactive versus non-active and how people would even define that. But of their own free agents, you think Cam Curl will be of interest to them, interest to them, but just give me your net net. Who ends up back here, you know, the one or two or three names that they end up re-signed? I think, well, Jeremy Reeves, I'll say, ends up back here.

I know they really like it. I mean, I know he's had multiple conversations with them. Right. And so, I mean, he wants to be here. They want him here. I think, but he's not a big cost. He's not going to be a big cost signing. What about a guy like Colleen?

Oh, I was going to ask you about Kicker. I was going to ask you about Kicker. So, go ahead. Yeah, and I don't, like, that's been a harder one for me. to find out for whatever reason, but you need a kicker. And he's a professional kicker. So it would make sense that he comes back. Like, that's just, to me, a logic-based one,

unless you have this other idea of someone else out there. But then with Colleen, there's been some interest, but I wouldn't call it. I think he's going to be a guy. Some of these guys are going to be there in a couple weeks, and you can go get him in a couple weeks if you need to. I also think that linebackers are going to be definitely on their list of guys to get because you have to. And there are some guys who are good linebackers who could be good backups.

Like the guy that, you know, and I'm talking about this podcast, but like the guy that I like, that would, I think, for them would be a guy like Orrin Berks because he can play special teams too. So whether he's a starter as a backup, I think he's a guy that you could use. Now, I don't know what opportunity. I don't know what he's going to happen with him. it's just a guy, and they also have, like, they know him, right? You know, Peters would know him. Right.

So I think that you're like, so you always look for guys like that. But, you know, Hudson, I think, I mean, Hudson, to me, like, I like, I like, I like, Cody Barton, I think there's been, you know, my understanding is, like, I would say, tepid interest. Yeah. So that's why I think they're going to go somewhere else. And, again, I don't think he's going to be a guy that you need to rush out and sign anyway. So it's one of those. Do you think this time next week, Samuel and Fuller have signed with other teams?

I think Fuller, because the nature of the position in how few corners are probably are going to be, I think he's more apt to. Curtis, I'll be curious to see what happens with him. And also, like, I mean, the one, I'd have to look at their roster, but I know how much Scott Turner liked Curtis Samuel. And so I'm curious if the Raiders, what they do with them, because I know Scott would consider him one of the smarter players he's coached. And I think the guy can still play.

I mean, they use him as a receiver last year. They used the all-around stuff, but he certainly can still help you. I mean, he was arguably their most consistent player on office. One other quick free agency question. Do you think that starting next week, and maybe they'll wait on this, do you think it's possible that they sign a veteran quarterback next week? I'm talking about a veteran backup quarterback. Yeah.

Yes. I think I would, it would make sense if you do. But if you're a veteran quarterback, so, and again, I go back to Jacoby, if Sam Howell's on the roster and you're drafting another one, where do I fit in? And now, if you're, if you are signing one, then it depending on who it is and you're drafting one, what does that mean for Sam? you know, because I don't know that does he want to sit there and be the number three quarterback all year, you know? So I could see it because if you're going to bring in a rookie, you do want somebody who can help mentor him.

You know, and it's funny because, like, I think Sam can still play in this league. I don't blame them at all for trying to get a quarterback at two. We've seen what's happened here over the decades. But I think the guy can play. The question is, if you're bringing that rookie, and you want to just bring in that guy, again, I'd say like a Jacoby Presett type, who is comfortable in that role can help him learn and not necessarily be some massive threat to just, you know, where the guy's looking over his shoulder all the time.

So, you know, so yeah, I could see it, but I think that's what I'm interesting to watch, interested to watch because because of the impact on how and because if a guy comes here, he's going to want to know, how do you view me? Am I going to be a number two guy? Do I have to fight for that? Am I going to be, could I end up being relegated to third if you guys still keep howl? What? So. All right. So that's where I cut it off with John for today and saved a third part where we got into the draft for tomorrow. So that is it for the day. Back tomorrow.