The Kevin Sheehan Show - Nats, WFT Camp, & NBA Draft

Episode Date: July 29, 2021

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You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. We have Nats, postponements, maybe cancellations to discuss.

Washington football team training camp to discuss. Aaron Rogers is back. And the Olympics, Tommy, carry on without me. I have not been paying attention at all. Even the Simone Biles thing, like every single time there's another story, and it seems it pops up, you know, on the internet, whether it's ESPN.com or sportsline.com,

CBS.com, or on Twitter. I'm, for whatever reason, beyond that, not interested in it, although I know you've been tweeting a lot about it. Yes, you've gotten into some Twitter discussion. and debates with people, I believe. Somebody told me that anyway. Yes. Yes, that's true.

And yesterday on the beach, you got to understand, I mean, if soccer is the sport for people who don't like sports, well, Olympics is really the sport for people who don't like sports. So I'm surrounded on the beach

by, you know, my in-laws and family, none of which care did not really about sports. Right. But we got into this, you know, Verocious argument about Simone Biles, and I tried to explain what we had talked about in the podcast earlier that if this is going to be a new standard for compassion in sports, then we need to extend it to the 24-year-old quarterback playing in the NFL in a similar situation.

You described it as the new third rail in sports, I believe, is what you said. Right. And they just didn't see the similarity. And they just, look, Simone Biles was right to do what she did from all counts. I mean, this is a real gymnastics kind of issue. They call it the twisty. There's been so many gymnasts that have said, you know, they've gone through this thing before. But we've canonized her.

She's going to be more popular for not competing. Well, I think that, first of all, I don't understand why anybody wouldn't see why, in the comparisons to a 24-year-old quarterback that decides, you know, prior to or maybe even in the middle of a playoff game, that he's got the mentals or he's got the yips. You know, look, in the case of Simone Biles, based on what I've read, and I have not read a lot, you know, I'm actually, the Olympics are going on without me for the most part. And, but I did read the story written in the post by, I think it was Emily G.M. Valvo. I think that's her name. I think she's the one that covers the Terps. Yeah, exactly. And she does a good job covering Maryland sports.

And I did read, you know, essentially the Twisties. which at first I sort of laughed, but it's equivalent to the yips in golf. The big difference is you can't hurt yourself physically with the yips in golf. You can with the twisties in gymnastics. So, you know, if this really was the issue, I certainly understand it.

To your point, though, there's no reason why, you know, in a football game, it couldn't be applied. That's a very dangerous endeavor, football. If you've got the yips, if you're not sure if there's a mental-related issue, anxiety issue over competing. And, you know, I would like to see what the reaction was. We've already talked about what the reaction would be.

It wouldn't be the same, in my opinion. It would not be the same. But at that point, you would have stripped away all the people who don't follow sports and you'd be down to just your fan base. and they're not going to have the same reaction that everybody is having about Simone Biles here. I mean, because we're dealing with people, and maybe we're in an evolving society right now when it comes to the ethics of sports. But we're dealing with people who don't understand the concept of pushing through something,

testing yourself in a sporting situation. I mean, I was on the beach with a bunch of people who just don't understand that concept. It's impossible to that. Well, yeah, because let's face it, you know, those that are following the Olympics and only follow the Olympics are not true sports fans or even, you know, this is a reach, maybe. Maybe not even a real fan of competition. maybe not even people who understand necessarily competition, although I don't want to make that a blanket statement.

But to what you said, I do think the reaction to this, based on what I can see, I think A is specific to this kind of a sport where there are a lot of non-sports fans that follow it. B, like I said the other day, the perception is, you know, a young female girl is more vulnerable than perhaps a 24-year-old NFL quarterback. And I think the reaction from what I can tell is what you described. You know, it would appear as if I don't want to say that she wouldn't have gotten tremendous attention had she, you know, blazed through these Olympics with, you know, four gold medals or whatever the possibility was for her.

in the events that she was competing in. But it is very much, I think, part of the culture today. To, you know, it's part of the participation culture, Tommy, in many ways. To glorify and to almost deify those that, you know, bow out for certain reasons. And it's not what we used to do, that's for sure. And maybe it's because we're more sensitive to this. and look, you and I both dealt with, you know, people in our lives that have dealt with mental health issues and lots of other things like addiction and those kinds of things that are real things. And I know lots of people who don't really understand they are real things.

Now, with that said, I never really get the comparison of when somebody says, you know, mental health, you know, in an athlete is no different than, someone who breaks their leg and can't compete. Actually, it is because many of the mental health related issues are very isolating, much more so than the physical are, and they become actually in many ways more dangerous. But anyway, I'm not going to go on and on about that. But I do agree with you. I think there is, you know, this idolizing that we would not have seen even a few years ago. And I think part of what I consider an overreact. Look, again, let me make it clear, I think she did the right thing.

From all counts, she did the right thing, and her replacement in the women's gymnastics singles competition, Susina Lee, if I'm pronouncing that right, won the gold medal this morning. Okay. So, you know, I mean, she was kind of validated by letting her take. teammates step up. Well, they lost the team competition. I didn't, I'm sorry, they didn't lose it. They got silver.

They didn't get gold. And I think the thought was had she been able to participate at full health that they would have won gold. Yes. And I think part of what I think is an overreaction to what she did is I think people automatically jumped to that mode for fear that she would be crucified for quitting. Yeah, that's a good point. I think it was like, let's stop this right now.

You know, let's get in front of this and make sure no one accuses her of quitting because that's what we think we thought we just watched. And I think a lot of those people are incredibly self-indulgent. I think that that is, you know, I think you need to, to be honest with you, I think you need to sit back and wait for the Twisties discussion and explanation. I said to you two days ago, I would like to know specifically what the mental health issue is. Because if it's just about pressure and feeling the weight of the world on your shoulders, that's different from a legitimate mental health issue.

Now, if you suffer major anxiety that turns into anxiety or panic attack disorder or whatever, you want to go to. Well, then that gets into something that can be very isolation-driven and is tied to depression and lots of other things. I'm not trying to play psychiatrist here. I just have some experience with this, you know, over the course of my life with various people. So I, the twisties, look, the bottom line is you wouldn't tell, you know, an X games, you know, skateboard jumper, if he's got the twisties or if he's got the yips, to go ahead and scoot down that, you know, 75 foot ramp to do a double, you know, whatever in the middle of the air. But if he's just feeling the pressure of the event, well, we all feel pressure every day in our

lives to perform. Not at the level, I'm saying, of some of these professional athletes or entertainers or politicians or whatever. But for those people, I am a big believer in the only way around it is through it and to face it and to learn how to face adversity. But this is not this is not what she based on all of the discussion of what she was suffering from. It's apples and oranges. She could have really hurt herself potentially had she gone through with it. But again, back to what you said at the beginning, there is sort of this, I think you use the word canonizing. and I think a lot of those people are trying to get ahead of what they, you know, were anticipating, which was much more criticism.

And they wanted to drown that out. I think that's exactly what happened here. Now, I just want to point out that if you are a big Simone Biles fan, and why wouldn't you be, she's probably the greatest gymnast in the history of the United States, you'll probably be able to see her in the gold over America tour. which will be touring around the country following the Olympics at some point. And I think it will be coming to the Capitol One arena, I think. Okay.

Well, you know, if you're, I don't, I'm not, are you going down the path of saying she's going to be on the cover of some magazine to deal with her, deal with the Twisties? No, I'm just pointing out that the gold over America tour is going to be coming around, coming to your neighborhood soon, starts Simone Biles. Well, maybe, you know, maybe Rory McElroy can get the yips at the U.S. Open, but in a, you know, in a charity event, wouldn't get the yips. Maybe she'll be fine for that. Also, I might want to point out, she, I mean, again, this is something very specific, what she went through.

Right. You know, this whole idea, now, people have talked about the pressure on her. you know and how the way to the world she even said the world felt like it was on her shoulders she embraced that she did an interview weeks ago with USA Today she basically said I'm the best there ever was I mean the facts proven I'm the greatest of all time well she didn't have the she embraced it she didn't have the twisties then

I know that I'm saying I mean the pressure that people have brought up that she felt. Oh, right. About being the greatest. That's something she embraced. You know what? The great ones do.

Yes. The great ones embrace it, welcome it, and then beat it down in the biggest moments. Is that what you do? Try to every day on this podcast with you, but you get in the way of it sometimes. I know. Can we move to the Nats real quickly about. Yeah, sure. Because it's really been an incredible...

Wait a minute. Before we get to the next, yeah. You've been pretty busy lately, you know? I mean, I'm on vacation. I'm sick on vacation. I'm on vacation starting today also. I had today off...

Yeah, but your vacation is not like my vacation. Well, I mean, you know, I had today off tomorrow off, and I have next week off of radio. We'll take a problem... So you're going somewhere? We'll take a couple of days off next week in the podcast. And no, there's no actual vacation scheduled. As I've told you and others on this podcast that are listening, I am moving. And this is, we'll call it phase one of the move.

Phase one of the move means moving out of my house into a one month furnished rental that allows pets and then into the new house. the new house is not ready for us to move in to quite yet. We thought we would be able to move right from our current house of the last many years into our new house. But no, that didn't work out that way. So phase one will be to move out of our house and move a lot of this stuff into the new house, which we will be able to do. We just won't be able to live in the new house for a while. and we will be renting a

furnished rental condo in downtown Bethesda Tommy which by the way my wife said to me you know what's going to happen here and I said yes I know exactly what's going to happen she's like you're going to fall in love with it you're going to fall in love with this place and not going to want to leave and yes

I have in recent years thought of low maintenance living as you know as a as a real fantasy Like, I'm looking forward to just the month of being able to roll out, walk wherever I want to walk to, be close to everything. Now, if truth be told, I would think that, you know, at some point I will move into some sort of low-maintenance living situation. But I would prefer to be downtown, not in, you know.

You mean like assistant living or something like that? That's true, too. Hopefully that's like two or three moves away. But anyway, yeah, I don't know about you guys out there. I think moving is one of the worst things. And God bless my wife, because she's really the one who is not only, you know, a phenomenal real estate agent, but a great designer. And so we've done this before to houses, and we're doing this one. And so she's really spearheading the whole effort.

But, you know, I was told, I was told, you know, a couple of months ago, this is going to be the week, end of this week and next week where we're moving into this new house, try to take those days off, which I did in advance. And then I have more time to take off at the end of August than I was thinking that would be the vacation time. But no, that'll be phase two of the move. So, you know, no vacation. Tommy, I have not been on a plane since February of 2020. right before the shutdown.

I was in Park City. Well, that was the same with me. Yes, until I flew out to get my granddaughter about two weeks ago. I was, I... And that's when I got sick, flying. That's when you think you got sick. Have you gotten tested for COVID since you got this cold? Yes, I did.

But you got that before. Negative. Now your cold is worse. Yes. I can hear it. Yeah, no, I flew, my niece got married in Park City, Utah in February of 2020. Thank God if that wedding had been scheduled for a month later, I mean, no one would have been able to go. And I think I've told you this before, but when we got back from that wedding, my wife got very sick.

And, you know, we didn't think twice about it being COVID until a couple of months later. but about a month after we got back, the senior home, if you recall, in Seattle, New York City, and, believe it or not, Park City, Utah were the first three major hotspots for COVID in this country. And Park City was because there was such an international audience, international crowd in Park City because of February, you know, And so there was an outbreak there. And so I sort of feel like she got it at some point. We never did an antibody check. By the way, the news from the CDC yesterday, at least for now, we'll see if that changes

next week, is that they are still recommending for those that got COVID and built up some antibodies that they should still get. They should still get. Tommy's coughing. I just want everybody to know that that noise, which many of you think has been Tommy breaking wind on the air for the last several podcasts is him moving the mic, away from his mouth so that he can cough rather than coughing into the mic. But the CDC says that even if you got COVID and built up the antibodies,

that they are not as long lasting as the vaccine. So anyway, that is a perfect segue into the Nats in the Phillies. the Nats had eight staffers, I'm sorry, eight players, no, four players, eight staffers, 12 people total, tests positive for COVID-19, and apparently 11 of them had been vaccinated. So I was, you know, and many of them with the J&J vaccine, and if everybody's been following this, the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is the one with the much lower efficacy rate than the Moderna and the Pfizer shots, which are the two shot vaccines. And the J&J is a convenient shot because it's just one. And apparently the preference of many athletes. But your chance

with that particular shot is like one and four of still contracting COVID, not, you know, essentially one in ten almost. So I, I've come to a, a conclusion that I can be talked out of. The conclusion is this for these major sports. Mandate the vaccine. And if you're not going to mandate the vaccine, then don't test. And by the way, if you do mandate the vaccine,

also don't test. Nobody right now is getting sick, especially the players that were vaccinated and are getting COVID. What is the real threat right now? Well, there's a threat to Ron Rivera and people who are, you know, immune deficient. And they need to be careful, you know, but either the leagues should mandate this vaccine. You get it or you do not enter the building.

And if they do that, I think they should stop testing or just stop testing overall. All we're doing is we're postponing games, potentially canceling games, messing up the schedule of games, and nobody is getting ill. none of these players are getting ill now none of them with this delta variant especially those that are vaccinated why are we testing i don't know i haven't i haven't considered that or thought about it so i'm not going to punch any holes into uh your argument you've obviously given this i have i haven't i have i actually haven't given it a lot of thought i was just thinking last night when you know it was like 11 of the 12 are already vaccinated. They got it. You know, they got COVID. Every single

player that's tested positive here recently in the athletic world, nobody's gotten sick. Most of these players have been asymptomatic. And if they've been symptomatic, it's been minor, minor symptoms. And why are we putting the sports world on hold? And if there is a concern about continued spread and transmission, which there should be, because apparently the Delta variant is even more transmissible, then mandate the freaking vaccine. Mandate it.

Companies are doing it. Universities are doing it. Look, we've had vaccines in the past. If you don't have a measles vaccine, if you don't have a meningitis vaccine now, you can't go to college. Just mandate the vaccine. Look, you're preaching to the choir

about mandate the vaccine. I don't know why some, you know, I think you're going to see more and more of that as more and more companies and organizations do require it. Then I think you're the other businesses and companies feel like, okay, we've got cover now. You know, we're not going to look like we're the only ones out there for, you know, forcing people to get vaccinated. So I think that is going to happen. But I'm with you 100% on that. Let me just make... You know, that takes care of the issue pretty much right there.

Well, it's not going to take care of the issue of people getting infected because they're getting infected. No, that's what I mean. Right. But what it does is it completely eliminates probably altogether any chance that a young fit athlete is going to get sick. The chances are already, if they're unvaccinated, incredibly remote. With the vaccination, they're exponentially. remote. So why not mandate it? By the way, I want to make sure that, you know, I'm clear on this. I am definitely pro choice, but not pro, you know, a choice which leads to no consequence.

You can make the choice not to get vaccinated, but if your company or your college or your league says it's a requirement, well, then you're going to have to make the choice to play and get paid a lot of money or not. You know, so, you. continue with your body, your choice, and nobody needs to shame anybody into this, but they've got a business here. It's a $15 billion top line business. And players are getting the, you know, even vaccinated, they're getting, they're getting COVID. So either stop the testing or mandate the vaccine and stop the testing.

One or the other, they're moving on with this season. If nothing stopped last season, nothing, as far as we know, it's going to stop. stop this season. The other thing, Tommy, too, is this whole notion that if the FDA actually approves the vaccine, and I think it's been approved for emergency use only, but it hasn't had the full approval yet, that somehow everybody's going to then go get vaccinated. You know, how many people are actually vaccinated right now? Do we have more than a billion people worldwide vaccinated? I think we do. If not, it's pretty close to a billion worldwide. I'm guessing, I don't know. I could be way off. But the point is, I don't personally think that if the FDA approves the vaccine,

everybody's going to come rushing into vaccine centers to get vaccinated. I don't think most of the people that haven't gotten vaccinated even know that the FDA hasn't approved it yet. But apparently there's a lot of discussion that the FDA approval would be very helpful against those that are sort of vaccine hesitant. Like a lot of these people who are unvaccinated are waiting for FDA approval, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Most people don't even know the steps involved here. That's what I think.

That's what I think. You're awfully wound up about it. I can tell that. Well, it's like it seems like we are increasing the number of COVID positives, at least as it relates. to this, you know, Delta variant. And furthermore, young, fit, professional athletes aren't getting sick, especially those that are vaccinated.

So the Nats are a mess right now. They are an absolute mess. They've got this going on while they're trying to figure out who to trade and how much they can get for them at the trading deadline is just 48 hours away, basically. Yeah, I was reading, what's his face, Passon, I guess, earlier. I think it was Passing, whatever. Apparently Scherzer will approve any trade to West Coast teams that are pursuing him that are in the race, but he's ruled out Philly and Houston as destinations.

He has this veto right using his, they call it 10 and 5 rights, 10 years. years of service five with the same team. Right. That's what it is, right? Yes, it is. Okay. So, let's see. He doesn't want to go play for Houston

because he doesn't want to play with a bunch of cheaters. And he doesn't want to go play for Philly. Why? Because he doesn't want to play with Bryce Harper. Do you think that's the reason? No, I don't know. I'm just throwing that out there. I mean, the Houston thing would seem obvious to me.

Yeah. You know, Galdi was on the podcast. podcast with me yesterday and you know we were going through a lot of this stuff and for those of you that listened and liked it I appreciate it also he just he had we had a bad phone thing which is why we had to end it early but we were pretty much done anyway but anyway um if you miss that you can go back and listen to it uh in uh just uh yesterday show um what was I going to say again I'm all over the place this morning I've been up early and have multiple cups of coffee oh um so yeah so Scherzer, Mike Rizzo apparently said that because of these 10-5 rights, we've got to get a deal

prior to the 4 p.m. deadline tomorrow to work out the no-trade, you know, ability. And I said to Galdi, why can't they just work that out now and just say, Max, tell us where you won't go and we won't talk to those teams. I mean, I'm sure he'd be willing to tell them up front. My point being is you don't in a situation like this, I would think, I could be wrong. But I would imagine that with somebody like Scherzer, these are deadline deals most times. And they're deadline deals because if you're in Rizzo's position, you want to wait to see this thing heat up. You want the pressure of a deadline to force somebody's hand on the best possible offer. And it it just seems to me that the Nats would benefit from being able to walk this up to, you know,

close to the deadline. So just find out which teams he won't accept to trade to and don't talk to those teams. Tell them they're out. Or don't tell them they're out, but understand that they're not going to win this, you know, ultimately. And if you have to take a lesser deal from L.A. or San Francisco or San Diego, you do that. You know, part of me, I mean, I don't want to see Max Scherzer. go. I want to see him be a national and I want to see him pitch in a wild card game or in a

playoff game or whatever because that was so exciting. But if he does go anywhere, I kind of would like to see him in that National League West race and healthy for it. Because that really is one of, I mean, Tommy, you've got three, the third place team is 14 games over 500. That is a hell of a race. they have the three highest run differentials in the National League, all in one division. But as far as which team, I don't know, I'm sort of rooting for San Diego. I don't know why. I don't know why either. Because that town's really taken it on the chin in recent years.

Lost their football team. Oh, come on. It's such a great town. Yeah, but it's San Diego. Life is never bad. That's true. It can't ever be bad there. Right.

The most beautiful weather in our country is San Diego weather year-round. You want to get to some Washington football talk, or do you have anything more on the Nats and what you think is going to happen and who you would trade and who you wouldn't trade? And Strasbourg. No, I think the truth. Huh? And Strasbourg.

Galdi said that this could be essentially a career-ending injury? Yeah, I mean, he's having serious surgery, and he's 33 years old. You know, he's, except for that World Series run for the past couple years, has been one, you know, malady after another with him,

and it's got to be taken its toll over the years as he gets older, and that $245 million contract extension that the Natch signed him to. I know we said, and I'm not going to back away from, you know, if it gave them a World Series, then a championship, which you could argue it did, then it was worth it. But still, I mean, if he, if he, if he, if his career would be over, that would go down as probably maybe the all-time worst contract in history. Well, that's what Galdi was saying. By the way, that, that last extension. seven years, 265, was it?

I think it was 265 million, came after the World Series. Yes. So they haven't gotten anything from him since. Now, last year obviously was, you know, boy, you know, I really like Steven Strassberg. Like, I like him more than Max Scherzer, and I've wanted him to be healthy,

and I've wanted to see him have a dominant Cy Young. type of regular season into a postseason. You know, it was the game four at Wrigley that really sold me. Remember, he was, you know, apparently he had allergies or the sniffles and who knows, maybe he had the twisties and he was going to back out. But, you know, and there was all that discussion and, and Dusty sort of publicly put some pressure on him a little bit. And then he showed up and he was dominant.

And then there was nothing, nothing in the postseason. are a lot of moments in the postseason. But game six in Houston down three two facing elimination was an all-time clutch performance by Strasbourg. And he was so great that night. I just, those final two games were so incredible. But that game six facing elimination, he's had almost two Hall of Fame postseason performances. You know, he's been great as a playoff pitcher. I just wish that he could have had more health during his career, and it would really suck if this really is an injury, as Galdi described, that there's no example of anybody coming back and being 100% afterwards. He said that this is the injury that Matt Harvey had and the

surgery that Matt Harvey had, and he's never been the same, although he pitched really well last Saturday night against the Nats. But that would suck for him. Here's one of the differences between Matt Harvey and Strasbourg. Strockford plays for an organization that won't rush them back. The Mets basically, you know, they ignored

and they laughed at the Strasbourg shutdown when they brought Harvey back from his from his Tommy John surgery, and I think that contributed to his issues. Look, if this is, I don't want to start to, if this is

Steven Strasberg has given Washington National fans a tremendous amount of great moments over the years. As frustrating as he has been, there have been so many times where we've watched some remarkable, remarkable performance from the first day he ever pitched for the team. Oh, yeah, 14 strikeouts, yeah, I mean, all-time. All-time debut.

So, I mean, I think, I mean, you know, he should always be. celebrated by Washington National fans for the chance to watch him pitch. It's just been so frustrating because, like you said, he should be a perennial sally young contender, given his talent. Okay. Let's get to some Washington football team stuff, and then I will finish up the podcast today with just a couple of players in the NBA draft that I really like

that I hope the Wizards are able to pick. The NBA draft, Tommy, is tonight. I bet you didn't even know that, did you? When you were having that conversation on the beach with all those non-sports fans, if somebody had walked by you and say, hey, Tommy, what do you think about tomorrow night? You would have said, what's tomorrow night? Well, it's tonight, the NBA draft.

You know what? Let me just explain something to you right here. What? Who was the first person in this town to tell you who the wizards were drafting? Was it, well, two years ago. No, it was two years ago. Who? What are you talking about?

It was me. What did you tell you? Hachamora. I was the first one to report that. I don't remember that, but I will, I'm not going to. I don't, I honestly don't remember that. I really don't. Well, that's a fact.

Okay. Usually I remember all of your hits. There are so few of them. More on the Washington... Don't tell me I didn't know the NBA draft was going on. I may tell you, again, who the Wizards are going to pick before anyone else. Well, we'll do that a little bit later on in the show. Some Washington football talk, right after these words from a few of our sponsors.

Decent crowd in Richmond yesterday, Tommy. An estimate of about 2,000 people for the first day of training camp. That's not bad. We've seen some years here recently where literally nobody showed up. I mean, you could count the number of people on, you know, four or five hands that showed up even for the first day. But those that are down there, and boy, am I glad I'm not. I do not miss being in Richmond for these days at all. The radio station didn't send anybody down there, which is fine.

And look, doing the morning show, you know, it's typical that when the show is over, players aren't even there yet. And so we always had those issues with the morning. So you and I did a number of shows down there in the first, you know, few days of training camp. We had some fun in Richmond, you know, when we were down there. And it was fun to be around. Well, I think you and I could have fun anywhere. Let's see.

Yeah, we had some fun. And, you know, it was always fun to be around some of the other people, you know, in our media. You know, we talk to these people all the time. we don't necessarily see all of those people. And rarely is everybody in one spot at the same time. And I'm not just talking about beat reporters. I'm talking about beat reporters and columnists and talk show hosts and TV people. And for the beginning of training camp, you know, there was that stretch where virtually everybody would be there.

And as the flagship for the football team, we were always not only there, but I think we were required to be there. Of course, we never had the flagship treatment necessarily. One of my favorite things about the beginning of training camp over the last several years when we would be down there is they literally, I'm sure I've said this before. And look, whatever, sour grapes, whiner, whatever you want to call me, I'm just trying to illustrate for you or draw the picture for you of what the relationship with the team was like in the radio station. It was massively one-sided and confrontational and really antagonistic at times. But literally, we had the worst location of any media outlet covering training camp. We were like an attempt the furthest away from the actual practice field. And the only thing that we could see was players walking from the building out to the field.

couldn't even see them make it to the field because the field was so far away. And yet other competitors competing media groups, they were up on the hill overlooking the field. We would just say, what are you doing to us? And they would say, we have to have you back here. This is where you're going to be. Although, remember, our good friend Big Al, who hosted the Richmond Morning Show for the station that also Red Zebra owned, they love that station for some reason and he had the best spot in the whole joint.

Anyway, it was always fun to be down there. You know, there's several stories, but I'm just going to share one because it just makes me laugh every time I think about it. We left our show, you and I were going to go get lunch or something. We were going back to the hotel,

then we were going to go meet for lunch or something. I think I know what you're going to say. Does it involve Chris Russell? Yes. Yes. You called me and you said, are you listening to this right now? And I go, know what? Our Richmond station would carry our midday show, which was after ours.

And Russell was doing, I guess, like, when our show was over, Russell was doing like a noon lunch show from 12 to 1 or something like that during training camp. And then Doc and Coach and Brian, you know, got essentially a shorter show in the afternoon. because Russell would do like training camp live or whatever. And it would appear, it would be aired in, you know, on 980 in D.C., but also on our Richmond station. And so you said, you've got to turn it on, you've got to turn it on. And so I turned it on. And you said Russell was already in like the third segment of breaking down the backup punter and backup kickers.

That was it, right? That's what you thought. You could not believe how unbelievable Russell was and how incredible he was to carry on for nearly an hour on the backup punters and kickers that were in camp. I think that was the show where we got the famous clip, Watch Out Broderick Muckleroy. What was that? Why? I remember? Stern used to play it all the time. I know. What was it?

It was some backup linebacker that the Mets, that the Washington football team had. And we can say Redskins. It was Roderick Muckleroy. I do remember. Roderick Muckleroy. And Russell did 30 minutes on Broderick Muckleroy? Yeah. And we used that soundbite on our show a lot.

He didn't make the team, obviously. Look out for Roderick Muckleroyd. Yeah. Well, I said yesterday on the podcast, Tommy, there is a market for this. And by the way, we say this about Chris Russell with honestly a lot of love and admiration because we like Chris a lot. Chris, though, could go on and on. And by the way, Doc was great at that too.

Doc was great at breaking down, you know, number eight. 80 through 90 in camp, the guys that had no chance of making the team, but he thought should be on the team because, well, we lost with the people we had last year. Why don't we try some new ones? So that was always part of Doc's act, you know, in training camp. But I was talking yesterday about training camp. There is honestly a market for the tweeting out of, you know, Taylor Heineke throwing an out pattern to Stephen Sims Jr. And Sims Jr. getting both feet down in bounds before he gets

out of bounds with no defense out there. And we get that from all the people on the beat. And I love all the people on the beat. And there's clearly an audience for this. But I promise you, after many years of going to training camp and being there for training camp, none of this stuff, none of this stuff really matters. Now, there is stuff that the team is getting from all of this, and clearly if there's a major injury, that's big news. And, you know, some of the things you may learn from watching who's out there with the first team and who's going out there with the second team.

But, you know, at this point, Isaiah Wright, you know, doing a two-step on the sideline in the corner of the end zone on a lob pass. from Kyle Allen. It's just, it's not important at all. The NFL is truly, and most of these sports are this way, but the NFL is the ultimate, and you don't know anything until they start playing real games. You just don't, and you rarely even know much

in the first quarter of the season about a team. But anyway, I do not miss. I was waiting for that call over the last, you know, month, hey, we're going to want you to go down for the beginning of training camp. I had already taken these days off, by the way, for the move. I don't know how that would have worked out. You know, we're going to want you to do the show just for the first two or three days of training camp. And look, it's always fun to be down there and hang out with everybody and drink beers at night and, you know, get back and figure out what we're going to do about five minutes

before the show begins and see if, you know, the football team will actually provide us with any guests, which were always a challenge. But anyway, look, the football season starts on September 12th for this team. That's when you'll start to know. The preseason games, you know, they're not for me. I have to watch them. And we got to talk about them. And maybe, you know, a three-game preseason will be more revealing of something.

I don't know. I guess in time we'll tell on that. But, man, the NFL is the ultimate of you don't know shit until the actual games, real games with real game plans and a real attention to, all right, this is the real deal until they begin. Absolutely. And you're absolutely right about that. Free season football is more phoning than professional wrestling.

Yeah. Now, I think that there are a lot of cool stories about players and coaches and situations that, you know, a lot of the reporters that are down there, you know, and columnists get, and some of them can really interesting. And many times they're about players that aren't going to play in the opener because they're not actually going to be on the roster on September 12th. You know, I can't quantify any of this. I really can't. There's clearly an audience for all of it. But, you know, and maybe it's just my group of people that I know that are still into the team, they don't pay attention to any of this. They don't pay attention to any of the pre-season. They don't pay attention to any of the

preseason stuff or their training camp stuff. It's all about, you know, right now I'm playing golf. I'm at the beach. You know, I'm working, but I can't wait for that opener against the Chargers. Or I can't wait, you know, I can't wait for the... Look, I think there is a big market for it. I don't know how big it is. I think it's very inside.

I think there is. But I can tell you this over the years. I do know in our format, what, you know, training camp looks like compared to, let's just say, a, you know, a day in June, in mid-June. It's not that much different. Now, where it is different, Tommy, is there is more advertising interest in these shows and in this content once you have, like, players on the field doing something, you know, once training camp begins. And so that's important for these businesses. But really the real audience, the real high season, if you will,

is the day after Labor Day through the Super Bowl, at least in what we do. You know, for you, maybe it's different. But in talk radio anyway, that's the high season. You wanted to say something about Chase Young. Well, Chase Young did an interview with Jay Young. P. Finley of NBC Sports, Washington, and wanted, and, you know, J.P. asked him about, you know, the vaccine. Not whether he got it or not, because Young didn't offer that. But he asked, but, you know, they talked about the vaccine,

Washington football being the lowest peak vaccination rate of any team in the NFL. And Chase Young said, I feel like it's a personal choice. I don't doubt a guy if he gets it or if he doesn't get it. I feel like it's just a personal choice like every other vaccine. Well, other vaccines... Well, let me just... Well, hold on. Let me correct him.

I think I'm right about this. There are certain vaccines that are required. Yes, of course there are. Yeah. So not every vaccine. is a choice, right? No. That's absolutely. Yeah. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

Which vaccines are not, are required? Like, you know, mumps, measles, rebella, meas, no, well, there are certain vaccines that don't you have to get, like in the first, you know. Yes. Here, I'm looking that up. That's actually vaccines that are required. What are the vaccines that are required? My Chase Young's interview and Ron Rivera expressing his frustration at his inability to convince his players to get the vaccine prompted me to say that offers some advice to Ron Rivera. And that is, if you're a captain of this team and you're not vaccinated, you're not a captain anymore. You can't be a leader of this team. You can't be a leader of this team, and the leader is basically an extension of the coach in most cases,

and not being advocate for the vaccine. And we've talked about, you and I have talked repeatedly, about the competitive disadvantage you potentially put your team at with so many players unvaccinated. You know, it's a bigger issue than just you. And if that's the way you feel, how can you be a team captain? For, let me just mention real quickly,

vaccines are mandated before you can go to schools. Like, I guess you could theoretically keep your, you know, child if you're an anti-vaxxer away from public schools or private schools or any school. But you have to, you have to. to have, you know, measles, mumps, rebella, you know, chicken pox, polio, there's a whole list of them that are, you know, essentially required. They're not choice. Look, I don't know what the answer is with respect to Chase Young, but I would just suggest, like, you know, these aren't, I'm not,

my expectations of athletes when it comes to issues that, you know, are either complex or maybe, you know, less complex, and I don't put a lot of complexity on this one. But my, my expectations that they're going to be completely informed or not super high. I think, you know, of course he has a personal choice. The problem is, is in his environment, he can't stay home with his personal choice. His personal choice potentially endangers someone else, you know, like his head coach, who's immune deficient. And he's in a business where the probability of you having a competitive disadvantage is higher with lower vaccination rates, which they have. They have the lowest in the league as of two days ago.

I don't know where they are now, but 40% of the team hadn't even gotten their first shot yet. Again, back to, you know, the beginning, I would just mandate these. You don't, look, you have a choice. Get the vaccine and you can play in the NFL. Don't get the vaccine and you can't. Once you get it, you're fully vaccinated, you can play. And then I wouldn't test. And then at that point, I wouldn't test.

Okay. But, you know, we're saying that the league probably can't do that because of the union. I don't know. Well, you could work with the union to make that happen. But I guess the players would have to say, obviously. But one way long America could exert pressure is, say, you know, you can't be a leader on this team, a captain on this team, and not be vaccinated. Well, this gets to the conversation. Of course, he's not going to do that.

Doesn't this sort of get to the conversation that I think we had on the podcast two days ago, or maybe we didn't? And that is that, you know, does this low vaccination rate coupled with Ron Rivera's outward frustration, which actually Tommy happened, I think, after the podcast. I forget if we talked about this the other day. But is it potentially a team dividing issue? What you're suggesting, if Ron Rivera said, you can't be a captain unless you're vaccinated, I need my leaders on this team to be pushing people, not shaming people, okay, not, you know, being hypercritical of people.

I'm against that. but saying, look, we're in a business where we're trying to win a Super Bowl. That's the goal. We're trying to win as many games as we can. And we are at a competitive disadvantage if we don't have a higher vaccination rate. So, yeah, there's some internal pressure here to get some back, you know, if you don't, we're not going to shame you. And by the way, if you're a star, you're not going to get cut.

But I can tell you this, if you're on the bubble of making the team or not making the team, you're not making the team. We're taking the vaccinated player. and I'm talking about if you're a team leader, but would this threaten to divide the team if Rivera went down that path? Already some people believe that his frustration and disappointing comments, or him expressing disappointment and frustration the other day, is already something that could, you know, divide the team.

But, you know, Chase Young apparently is saying, coach, you know, coach has totally opened us making our own choices, I guess is what you're saying. with JP. That's what he said. I guess he wasn't listening to Ron Rivera at the time. He must have been watching a family feud episode or something like that. He must have been working out in Miami by himself. Yeah. You know, on some level, I'm just posing, I'm just asking the question here.

here. If you have the lowest vaccination rate of any team in the league, aren't you a little bit concerned about the overall intellect of your team? And don't hire intellect teams maybe also have a competitive advantage over lower intellect teams. Like, I just, I want my team to be really talented and really good, and this is the best roster this franchise has had in a long time. I also want it to be really smart and really with it. And for, they seem to be, they seem to be a little limited, as I like to say. Either that or, you know,

their believers that they got COVID and they've got the antibodies and they want to wait. Although again, yesterday's information from the CDC was, even those that have gotten COVID and have built up the antibodies, they need the vaccine. But, you know, again, trust me, I've been following all this, and I've been reading it and living it like all of you have. I understand that that information could change in a week.

A couple of other things about training camp, I thought were interesting. Landon Collins is ready to go. Yep. I think that that's obviously good news. And there doesn't appear to be any quarterback competition to speak up. No, there's not going to be. Okay.

There's not going to be. I think the more interesting thing will be, and I asked Ron Rivera this when I had him on the show, you know, because I did ask him, why did he completely, you know, omit Kyle Allen from any conversation coming off OTAs? And he said, no, no, no, it wasn't intentional. Kyle's, you know, right in the mix. He's going to compete. And he goes, Kyle, you know, essentially imply that Kyle wasn't completely 100%, but he is now. I think that, you know, if you're interested in a backup quarterback battle, and we typically are in this town, that's what we're going to be watching for. You know, who takes the second team reps, who gets into the game in the preseason games in the second quarter in the first one and the second one and then the third quarter, you know, in the last one or however they play out the preseason.

That's going to be the interesting thing. I don't know. It seems to me that people believe that Taylor Heineke is the front runner to be the backup. I know a lot of our fans are hoping that Taylor Heineke is the frontrunner to be the backup to Ryan Fitzpatrick. But it wouldn't surprise me if Kyle Allen ends up being the backup. None of that would surprise me. You could argue that the whole quarterback position for this team is just one big backup quarterback battle. You could argue that, but I wouldn't.

Ryan Fitzpatrick is a starter. He's a starter in this league. and, you know, if you want to say he's a bottom third starter, that's fine, but he's not a bottom quarter starter. You know, he's in that 20 range, 21 range, worst case. Go through the list. There are still in this league a lot of teams with major quarterback question marks or issues. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick is, you know, worst case, a guy that fits in there in the the low 20s, you know, or around 20s, somewhere around there. Now, is that good enough? No. I want my guy to have the seasons that he's had the last two years, which would then put him in the top half

of the league in quarterback play. If you get that from Ryan Fitzpatrick this year, then you've got a chance to have a really good season or be a much better football team. Much better. I'm hoping for that, but I think the downside, honestly, and unless he falls off a cliff at 38 years old, which is always possible, I think the downside is, you know, an upgrade from last year, and he's somewhere, you know, between 19 and 23 in terms of the rankings of starting quarterbacks. Boy, that's awfully optimistic.

I think the odds would say that he's falling off a cliff is more likely. I don't know why you would say that with him, you know, last. Last year having one of the best seasons of his career and the year before playing really high-level football. Or higher-level football. Well, because he's 38 years old. I understand that, but you may have been the one to say that before last year, 37. And he didn't fall off. He actually...

Right. I know that. So how many times can he keep beating the odds? I don't know. Brady keeps beating him. Rogers keeps beating him. Well, there you go. There's the list.

Brady Rogers and Ryan Fitzpatty. I should have known. He could be Breeze. You're right. And Breeze really did fall off last year. But wasn't Breeze 40 last year? Yes. I think he was.

What else is interesting from day one? I don't know. I'm trying to follow all of the guys on the beat, Ben and JP and John and Nikki to see if anything's going on out there today. But again, most of this stuff really, really not that. significant. I think, oh, I wanted to mention, in addition to, like, this time of year, obviously injuries, obviously some, you know, depth chart, you know, insight. But a lot of these interviews, you know, when the coach speaks at the end of these, I like listening to those, because I think

that's where you can learn some stuff after they're sitting there watching these guys day in and day out. And then, you know, you can start to learn about some of the guys. Like last year, at this time, even though there wasn't a training camp. All we kept hearing was Kevin Pierre-L-L-Luice. How many times did we hear KPL's name before a game was ever played? There was something about this dude when they started to practice that they loved. And we saw, you know, him play well at times, but saw him a big part of the team last year. So I think a lot of that stuff, you know, is important. So when you hear these interviews, whether it's in our format or JP doing it on NBC Sports or, you know, Ben doing it, you know, as part of a Zoom call with all the beat people. I think that there's, you know,

stuff that you can take out of that. I mean, last year, that KPL, we kept hearing KPL's name. Boy, they loved themselves from Kevin Pierre Lewis last year. And by the way, they also really liked Logan Thomas. We were hearing that name a lot early on. So those are some of the things to focus on. I asked Ron Rivera about some of those players. I think he really likes Cameron Curl. I think that he is very excited to see the competition at the wide receiver position.

I think they feel, look, one of the things, Tommy, you can say about this team, you can say they really did a good job in the offseason at addressing their performance. received weaknesses or their real weaknesses. Not enough playmakers on offense, they went out and got some. Not enough offensive linemen or depth, they went out and got some. No good linebacker play, they went out and drafted one. Need another corner and another DB. They addressed that. So hopefully they made the right choices with these players, but they recognized what they needed and that's

what's going to be fun to see what Diami Brown looks like. You're right. You know, Curtis Samuel. You're right. They did do that. I mean, they had a checklist and they managed to check everything off. The question is the judging of the talent. Right, because this time of year, and I love when I run into somebody and they're like, so, how great is Jamie Davis going to be? Well, I don't have any idea. I mean, he was picked in the first round, and obviously they like him. and they have a need, and the good thing about this particular player is he fills a need. So you're going to know a lot about Jamon Davis and what they think of him early.

Because if he's not out there a lot, well, it's a big disappointment, you know, because there was a need for him. If he is out there a lot, part of it could be need, but part of it could be because they really like him. And then we'll judge him based on the games he plays. You know, but it's really hard with young players to really know. Like, it's not out of the realm that a lot of the discussion around players like Diami Brown and James Davis and Sam Cosmy and Ben St. Juist. Not Jamie Davis and probably not Diami Brown, but somebody may end up getting cut that you were, like, who was the guy last year and he wasn't Randy Moss's son?

Now, he was not drafted, but a lot of- Dattius Moss. A lot of people in our fan base had him as a lot of, a potential, you know, rookie of the year candidate in August or in July or in April. So the way these things play out is not always what you expect. That's why, like, taking guesses, I think Khalik Hudson in year two is a real name to watch. And I really believe that if you sort of connect the dots, his snaps at the end of last year, to some of the things that have been said about him, they really think.

he is a find, you know, just like Cam Curl was a find. I think they really feel that way about him. So we'll see. I mean, I could be wrong. Anyway, what else? Let's get to our NBA Wizards guesses, and I'll give you a couple of players in this draft that I really like. That's next, right after these words from a few of our sponsors. all of the reporting indicates the wizards aren't going to make any big moves with like beale or westbrook or anybody else. They have been in some rumors and reports as a possible destination for Ben Simmons, which I don't know how I feel about that. There's been a lot that's been reported about Ben Simmons and his coachability after the playoffs,

which I think is one of the reasons Philadelphia wants to move on from them. But let's focus on the draft. Tommy is going to give you, I want to hear who you think. No, no, no. What? No, I'm not. What do you mean you're not? I'm not.

I just said that two years ago that I was the first guy to report that they were going to draft Rudy Hachamore. Did you not tease about 30 minutes ago that you were going to have, you might have the Wizards pick for tonight, too? You teased that. But not now. So you, you didn't ever, that was just a fake tease? No, it was a tease that could legitimately happen minutes before the draft.

Okay. I have some favorite players in this draft, and if you've been listening to me through the college basketball season, you probably already can guess a couple of them. Davey on Mitchell was one of my favorite college basketball players last year. and I think he's going to be a really, really good NBA player. Davian Mitchell was one of the, if not the, best defensive guard in the country who can also score, shoot it. He is everything and just 100% energy, relentless, competitive type.

He's the guy that was really a big part of leading Baylor to that national championship win, to the national championship and the national championship win. when they beat down Gonzaga in the final. I would love Davion Mitchell to be there at 15 when the Wizards pick. I would be shocked if he is. I would be really surprised if he is. But he's the kind of guy that I think would fit in perfectly. You would have two insanely competitive guys on the same team with Russell Westbrook still there.

I love Davian Mitchell. To me, I don't know why he isn't, you know, a consensus. top 10 or higher pick. He's been projected really in the 10 to 15 range. So, you know, it's possible he could be there at 15, but I would be shocked. Another player I like, and I know what all of you will say, because I've said it once before and I've seen what some of you have said about his age, but I love Chris Duarte from Oregon. The problem is, according to many of you, he's 24 years old, and you can't draft players that are that old. Okay, well, I'm sure. sure there's a lot of data that suggests that you can't draft players that old. I love Duarte.

I love everything about him. He's a scorer and he's a shooter. He's also another high energy guy with really good length, a guy that can really lock down when he wants to, and a guy who sort of played in a system that was sort of NBA ready or NBA-like. He is NBA ready. He helps you, in my opinion, day one. Like, I think a team like Golden State who picks right before the Wizards pick, and they're trying to contend next year, maybe they're the team that says, we don't care how old Chris Duarte is at 24, he's ready to contribute right away and we take him, but I love him as a player.

I also really like, but I think I would be not at the same level as Mitchell and and Duarte. But the first time I saw Franz Wagner play last year was in that December 31st New Year's Eve game at Maryland when Hunter Dickinson was taunting Mark Turgeon from the floor. And it started that Michigan-Maryland thing, that Hunter Dickinson, Mark Turgeon thing last year. And Wagner was incredible in that game. And I watched that game. And I remember saying to, I think, two of my boys who were with me and to a couple of friends,

lottery pick and it's not even, you know, a conversation. And he, I don't even think, was a projected first rounder at the time. And I think he is going to be a lottery pick. And I think he'll probably be gone by the time the Wizards choose. He's young. He's got to get physically stronger. But he could defend with his length. He can really shoot it.

He can really pass it. he's a six, you know, a six foot 10 do everything kind of player. And certainly a guy that can really stretch it at the NBA level, but then as you're flying by him can go by you and dunk on you or make the right play. I think, you know, based on all of the mocks, he's going to go before 15. But those are the three players I really like. I'm not super high on Corey Kispert, who I know a lot of you think should be the wizard selection because of his shooting ability.

And I do like Jared Butler, you know, as a future, you know, point guard at a bailer. I like Suggs more out of Gonzaga. I love Suggs. Oh, let me give you one other player. I love Iyo Dissumo from Illinois. Like, I think he's going to be a really, a really good player. He does, you know, have some.

Turnover issues, at times, an inconsistent shooter, but a super high energy player again, who will get after it defensively. And I like his ability as well. And I think he would be there for the Wizards. I think he'd be there for the Wizards at 15. He may go a little bit later. And then some of you may want to know about what I think about Aaron Wiggins. look, I think Aaron Wiggins has a chance to be a future NBA wing. I do. I don't know if he's going to get picked in this draft or not. I've seen more mock drafts with Aaron Wiggins now mid to late second round. I hope for his sake he gets drafted and gets at least some sort of commitment on a two-way because I would hate for him to have made this decision and be left out. Now, sometimes,

it's better not to get drafted at all. If you're not going to get picked in the first round with guaranteed money, sometimes it's better to not get picked in the second round if you're not going to get a guaranteed deal because then you can pick the right situation for you. I don't know if he'll get drafted.

I really don't. I think it's going to be really interesting to see where Luca Garza goes in this draft. It's going to be in the second round. But, man, I think he can play in the NBA. He is totally a center that can stretch and shoot threes and be a hard guard in the league offensively.

Look, there's a guy who I saw play in person. I think he can play in the NBA as well. Yeah. Oh, I'll give you another guy. I love Isaiah. I love livers from Michigan. I think that he's going to be a guy that can really knock down shots at the NBA level. I guess that's it.

I mean, I'm looking through a mock now to see who I missed. I really love Davian Mitchell. I think he's a future NBA All-Star and a guy that you would want on a team that's going to contend. And I love Duarte too. And Duarte might be a better fit for a team that's ready to win right now. But, you know, the Wizards, you throw him in there. If it is Westbrook and Beal again in Hachamura, I think Duarte plays and plays early. He is another guy who's fearless. The guys that I don't like, the guy that's blowing up

right now, and a lot of people have him now well inside the top 10 is Book Knight from Yukon. I don't get it. I watched him enough. I watched him against Maryland when Maryland beat them in the tournament, and Darrell Morsell completely harassed him to no end. I don't see it with him, but, you know, a lot of this stuff really ends up being fits and coaches. and, you know, where, you know, where they can get an opportunity. Anyway, the NBA draft is, the NBA draft, Tommy, for as much pub as it gets, literally every draft produces a handful of players that end up being significant contributors. It's not the NFL draft.

You know, within four years, most of the guys in the first round will not be in the league. You know, that's just the truth of it. I'm going to look it up right now to see NBA draft like four years ago, which would have been 2017 NBA draft. Let's just see. Well, Fultz is still in the league. Balls still in the league. Tatum is still in the league, Jackson, Fox.

Kuzma is at the end, Hart. Derek White, where is he? Swanigan. Is he in the NBA anymore? He was a first round pick. Leiden. Yeah, a lot of these guys. And then, you know, and then you go to the second round.

round and you've got guys that are still in the league. Like Monty Morris was the 51st pick out of Iowa State. You know, nearly didn't get picked. Man, he's developed into a shooter. Dylan Brooks, 45th overall in the draft. So there you go. Real crapshoot, the NBA draft, especially when you're picking 18 and 19-year-olds. You got anything else?

I got nothing else for you today, Boston. You don't feel well, and you really manage. up and you made it through this. And, you know, just so everybody knows, you know, he had to cough a couple times, take a break here and there. But I'd much rather have Tommy sick than most of you healthy. Would you have thought more of me if I said, I can't compete with you today? I can't go on with you today?

No. I would not have, what was the word you used? I would not have canonized you. You know, I do, I think we have to, every time we do that, we have to say what we've already said. In learning about what Simone Biles was dealing with, she shouldn't have competed. Yes. And in that sport with the yips, I mean, that could have been a serious injury. And I'm assuming that she didn't know that she was going to have this when she got there.

And there was nothing that she could have done to, you know, give the team. in advance a better shot at gold medal. But yeah, no, I would have probably called you names had you not made it to the show today with the sniffles. Everybody have a great rest of the day. I'll be back tomorrow. Ooh, that's a bingo. Is that the way you say it? That's a bingo. You just say bingo. Bingo. How fun.

Thank you.