The Kevin Sheehan Show - News on McLaurin + Mayor Bowser

Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Kevin opened with some Terry McLaurin news from both Albert Breer/SI and ESPN's Adam Schefter. Mayor Muriel Bowser was a guest on the show with the latest on the RFK Stadium deal. Kevin finished with James Wood's historic night and Saquon Barkley running his mouth about Washington. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Thank you, Dee, for that. You know, you do what you want to do. there is some honor in sticking it out with your team during the worst of times. I mean, ask any Chicago Cub fan. I mean, what did they wait? Nearly a century. And they probably are the all-time fan base when it comes to enduring, you know, just awful teams for a long period of time.

Look, we've been through it with our football team, 30 plus years. And the wizards are approaching the bullets slash wizards are. approaching a half century since they last won a title. 78, so it's been 47 years, and I doubt they're going to win one in the next three years. So it will be at least a half century in between titles. You know, there is a level of payoff, like sweet payoff for those who stick it out and then are rewarded with a championship or something close to a championship at the end. I mean, even though we didn't win it all last year, that Detroit win to get to the NFC

championship game, and look, for some of us, it's not good enough because we experienced and we lived through three Lombardi trophies and anything short of that was not good enough. But, you know, after 33 years, last year, the whole season, but then winning two road playoff games and really the Detroit game to advance to the NFC championship game, it did feel awfully good after all of those years of enduring pain with this franchise. But you know what, Dee, I say all of that. And I say that knowing that I personally am not enduring. these bad wizard years. You know, I think moments like the draft and free agency, it's a nice, like, moment to pay attention

to where they are in the rebuilding process and, you know, kind of weigh in on what they're doing and have an opinion and maybe have some conversation about the draft or free agency, because the roster construction, the draft in particular with the way they're doing it, is, you know, it's the moment. I mean, the draft for a team that's rebuilding

by essentially tanking is the moment of the season. But it's a hard slog. I get it. It's a lot easier to say, especially with teams that play in sports where you're playing 82 games or 162 in baseball, it's much easier to say, hey, do me a favor.

Let me know when they have a legitimate chance of competing for something. It's a huge commitment to stay in games. to pay attention, to watch games, to follow the team. You know, there are some wizard slash bullets, you know, Twitter accounts and websites like Bullets Forever out there that, I mean, they're sticking it out, man. I mean, this was the first year for me in my, you know, life that I recall that I did not go to a Wizards game or a Bullets game. I mean, I used to go to several a year.

I mean, a long time ago, more than several. And I watched every single game up until recent years. You know, and if I didn't watch every single game, I would certainly know exactly what was going on in the game. I mean, the Wizards for me are, you know, after the skins in Maryland basketball, which are, you know, 1A, 1B, you know, it depends on, you know, the year. The Wizards are right there at number three for me.

me. And Maryland football is, you know, when they're good. And then everything else kind of is, you know, count several spots to get to probably the Nats, you know, which is the next, you know, team that I root for, but not as passionately as the skins Maryland basketball. And up until recently, the wizard slash bullets. I mean, I'm not going to say that I don't care because I do care. but I do get that caring and committing to a team that legitimately is not trying to win is a tough ask. This from Michael T. Michael T. Michael T. writes, Kevin, why do you always put Terry McClorn into the other category? And he capitalizes other. He's much more than an other or afterthought. He's not top. 10, he's top five. You're just wrong and harsh when it comes to talking about him. Man, I get this from a lot of listeners about they think I'm anti-Terry or that I'm not a Terry

McCorn fan. That's just not true. I'm a big Terry McLorn fan. I just think that, you know, well, I have an opinion about Terry, and I think a lot of fans are much more aggressive when it comes to how great he is. Like, Michael, we're not going to agree on this because he's not top five. He's much closer to 10 than he is to 5. You know, like I've said before, he just had the best season of his career, and he finished 19th in reception. 15th in receiving yards and 32nd in the league in average yards per catch. I'm sorry, but those three categories are important categories for a wide receiver. Traditional numbers, I understand that, but those traditional numbers don't put him statistically

anywhere near the top five. He was second in touchdown catches with 13, Jamar Chase had 17, but that was such an outlier for him. And I get it, he had a quarterback for the first time. He had played with horrible quarterbacks until this year. I understand that. But he had seven touchdowns as a rookie. And then he had for four straight years, either four or five touchdowns until this year when he had 13th. I mean, 19th in receptions, 15th in receiving yards, 32nd in the league in average yards per catch. And you want to put them in the top five, Michael? I'm sticking with, you know, right around 10, plus or minus a spot or two. And quite honestly, that's not harsh.

That's generous, extremely generous. By the way, speaking of Terry, there is news on Terry McClearn and Congress. contract. So Albert Breer over the weekend, S.I. Sports Illustrated, was answering mailbag questions on his, what do they call that? Again, the Sports Illustrated Albert Breer thing. I'm forgetting what the name of it is. It's good when they do the Monday football thing that I'm forgetting the name of. But he was answering a question about the current state of contract negotiations between Washington and, you know, Terry McClorn, and a fan asked him about it. He said, they have a lot of work to do. Quote, I'd expect that work will pick up again when the lead comes back from break in a few weeks,

but it's still not in a great place. It's still not in a great place. That was Albert Breer, all right? How about Adam Schaefter? Adam Schaefter was on the Pat McAfee show this afternoon, and one of McAfee's guys, I don't know them by name, asked, asked Adam about Terry McLaren and the contract negotiation. Here's what Schefter said. Jeffty, last time we talked to you, we mentioned how Terry McLaurin and Washington are pretty far apart on his new contract. He's not happy about that. Has there been any progress with that whole situation, or do you have any kind of update there?

That's a tough one. I know. There is no update, which is the update. And that's the problem. The problem is with this particular. situation, I think Terry McClureen is going to argue that we've seen other wide receivers who his numbers are comparable to, like Jamar Chase and T. Higgins and D.K. Metcalfe. Get paid over $30 million a year this offseason. And I think the commanders then can say yes, but Mike Evans,

who also has had comparable numbers, is at $24 million. So there really is quite a difference. and a gap between what both sides would want. They have not made any progress. I would think that we'll see if there are any teams that decide to come snooping around Terry McLaurin to see if they could try to pry loose Terry McLaurin, who, by the way, I cannot envision the commanders moving on from no matter how disgruntled he may be. Again, it's sort of like T.J. White, you can't imagine that these two sides, as far apart as they are today, wouldn't be able to somehow find a way to bridge their differences and figure out a solution.

But today, McLaren and the commanders are not close. Watt and the Steelers are not close. And those will be two of the storylines that we are tracking as we get ready for training camp. How about the part where Schaefter says, we'll see if teams start to snoop around, as in, you know, teams will start to inquire as to whether or not. Terry is available via trade. Man, that seems like not a 0% chance, but less than 5%.

This is a team that thinks they can contend for a Super Bowl now. And their chances of doing that without Terry McLorne are much less than with him. You know, even if it's with him on a one-year deal, the last year of his deal, he'll play on that before they trade him. They're not going to trade Terry McLorn. We saw a big trade in the NFL today. We saw Jalen Ramsey and John O'Smith go from Miami to Pittsburgh for Minka Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick going back to his original team. Johnw Smith is a really good ad for them, really good ad for Aaron Rogers.

So we saw something that was sort of odd this time of year, you know, players for player trade. I don't see that at all. Like, you know, first of all, what receiver out there is looking to get traded where you would swap Terry with something comparable? There isn't. So he's not getting traded. Now, Schaefter said, you know, I think he misspoke when he said, you know, Terry's looking at somewhere, you know, comparable numbers. as you said, with Jamar Chase, and then all the way down to like Mike Evans. Let me just make one thing clear.

This is not a shot at Terry. It's just a fact. There's nothing similar between Jamar Chase and Terry McLorn. The numbers aren't similar. The eye test isn't similar. Jamar Chase is one of the two best receivers in the league. I think I'd go Jefferson One, Chase, too. but there is massive separation, in my opinion, between those two and, you know, the second-tier guys in the, you know,

second part of the second tier, which is probably where I would have Terry. I think he misspoke there. But, you know, the Metcalf deal is the one everybody's told us they're probably looking at. You know, it's $33 million a year. He got 60 million guaranteed. Now, he's younger than Terry by about two years, but the numbers, you know, are comparable, if not worse than Terry's. You know, Metcalf has had some of the same issues revolving door quarterback.

Gino Smith has been good for him, but, you know, not necessarily anybody else. And Gino's been hurt or not available. I don't know if I'd give Terry 33 million. That would put him in the top five in the league or tie him with. Metcalf at 4th, but I think that's the starting point for Terry. And then I think the skins probably look at it and say, yeah, I mean, look, Mike Evans hasn't signed a deal in a while. He is older than Terry. He's a great receiver, clearly. He's down in the 23, 24 million range, I think Adam Schepter said. That's not where they're going with this. This is a $30 million average annual with so.

somewhere in the neighborhood of like 60 guaranteed. You know, and if that ends up being a three-year $90 million deal or a three-year $120 million deal where $60 of it's guaranteed, I think that's where it's going to come in. I don't know what the right number is. To me, it feels like $30, $33. Metcalf probably got a better deal than he deserved. And I would imagine Washington would argue that, that Metcalf got a better deal than he deserved. Let me just say this about D.K. Metcalfe, though, like, I'd actually like to see

Metcalf with a great quarterback. I don't know if you're going to get great with Aaron Rogers, but you're probably going to get the best he's been with. I think he has the size and the physical prowess at times where he has some A.J. Brown in him. Like, he's got a physical way of dominating a game from that position, but he probably got too much, you know? So I think Washington, Washington would argue, look, you can show D.K.K. Metcalf's deal all you want. Pittsburgh overpaid. You know, you're not T. Higgins, though, and T. Higgins got 28.75 a year on average. You're a number one receiver, and so I think it's somewhere in that 30, 31 range. You know, 31 would put him right there just outside the top five behind Chase, Jefferson, Lamb, Metcalf, and A.J. Brown.

but ahead of guys like Ayuk, T. Higgins, T.R.I.K. And somewhere around where Amon Ross St. Brown is. They're going to get it done. I'd be shocked if they don't get it done. You know, the T.J. Watt mentioned, I'd be shocked if Pittsburgh doesn't sign T.J. Watt. These are two players who are low maintenance, but really good, and fixtures within those organizations and seem to be happy playing in those organizations. And that's saying a lot with Terry. That's where Terry gets all the credit in the world,

because sticking with this franchise, like Dee, you could with the Wizards through the worst of times, but Terry stuck with it and he was the best thing about it during some really dark days. But it sounds like right now, based on the reporting, they're not close. So June 28th was the day that he signed his extension in 2022. We are past that and it doesn't look like there's going to be a quick resolution to a deal.

You know, a lot of the front office people, coaches, this is their time to travel and to take a little bit of time off after OTA's mini camp and before training camp. You know, I know some of the Washington brass and some of the Washington coaches are traveling. traveling on vacation right now away from Ashburn doesn't mean that Adam Peters isn't always working, that Lance Newmark isn't always working, that their group isn't, you know, talking to Terry's agent. But I would guess that any sort of serious sit down to restart negotiations, if they are apart, if they are far apart, start pretty close to training camp. All right, let's get to Mayor Bowser. that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the shows brought you by Window Nation.

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I think that D.C. residents and sports fans alike have been excited since we made the announcement that we have an exclusive agreement with the Washington commanders to bring our team home. And people want the council to do their deliberations, get their questions asked, and approve our deal. You said last week, you tweeted, D.C. is on the verge of the single largest private investment. in our city's history, we've secured a partner in the commanders who will bring $2.7 billion and kickstart the development of the rest of the RFK campus. We can't let this window of opportunity close. So is it closing? Well, this is how I live my life, Kevin, and it has been borne out in many, many experiences.

It's that sometimes in life, windows of opportunity. open. And those people and those organizations who are successful, figure out a way to get through the window because you never know when it's going to close. You never know how fast it's going to close. In this case, I negotiated an exclusive agreement that runs through July 15th after many months of negotiation. And after kind of our own Hail Mary, late December of last year where we got the site in D.C.'s control after decades and decades of being under the control of the National Park Service. So we've done a lot of work. We have the right partner, and the time is now. Right. And it's been two months since that, you know, exciting, you know,

borderline celebratory press conference with you and Josh Harris and many, you know, former players, etc. And today, Chairman Mendelsohn told Fox that he would not call the council to a vote during their August recess, meaning that it could get pushed back to mid-September. So your thoughts on where the council is right now on the vote? The council has a lot of daylight ahead of it in this session. they are they can be and consider my budget proposal all the way through August 4th and we know that we're going to keep working the team and I are in lock step on making sure all the council members have the information that they need and so that we can so that we can get there what I can't do as mayor of the district is having gotten us this opportunity and

secured $2.7 billion. No sports teams are paying towards stadiums anywhere in the United States of America. But we secured a $2.7 billion investment. The team is going to be responsible for building the stadium and any overruns related to building the stadium. And we will be able to develop the rest of the 180 acres of the campus, which could include up to... to 5,000 or 6,000 units of housing. Look, you've done a good job of presenting this. I think you communicate very well to begin with, just as an aside. But with respect to this issue, it's obviously been communicated well because the majority of

D.C. residents recently polled are in favor of getting this done on the RFK site. That's unusual when any level of tax dollars are going towards building a new stadium. You said last week, you indicated in that post story that the team's not happy about the potential delays in voting on this. How would you describe where you are today in terms of frustration or losing patience? Well, this is what I know. And, you know, I served almost eight years on the council of the district. I chaired the council's economic development committee. I delivered the legislation that approved the Audi field.

So I know how the legislative process works. I know the tools that are at the council's disposal. And I think that everybody should be treating this urgently. Nobody should have the kind of nonchalant as I've heard from some that, oh, well, what's a month? What's two months? What's three months? I think it introduces a level of uncertainty and risk that's intolerable for most business organizations.

And the political uncertainty is also real. So that's why it's important that once everybody has what they need and the council has done its own study, which I understand will be delivered in July. actually this week, July 3rd, I was told they would have a draft. They scheduled a hearing. We think they should advance that hearing to no later than July 21st. And I know a lot of people are interested to testify. And then that will line them up for a vote.

Now, a lot of people have spoken very positively about the stadium and getting there. So I think everybody just needs to buckle down, work day and night if necessary to get any issues ironed out and vote. What you just said, buckle down, work day and night. You know, I hear the urgency in your voice. I would imagine that this is what Josh Harris and Mark Ein and Mitchell Rails and the key people with the team, that they are urging as well, that it's roll up the sleeves time. and get it done. Have they expressed that to you? Listen, these folks have been at the table with us really since last June, working on a great plan. We've bought in the world's best in terms of

finance and also stadium development. And that's how we got to the deal that we got to. And so I won't speak for the team. I do know that I have the only exclusive agreement right now. And I don't want to lose it. And no one should want to give that up. What are the reasons right now netted out as to why it's taking the council so long? Well, I want to be fair to council members. It's a big deal. and all stadium projects have their, you know, some level of back and forth. So I get that. They're considering my budget. I get that.

But all budgets are handled in 70 days. That's what the statute allows. And this is a budget item. And so the council has the ability to consider it as such. And like I said, I think they read the T-Leaks. They see that D.C. residents are supportive. They understand if nothing happens here that that site may not be developed for decades because we don't have another big investor.

We don't have another employer or company saying, hey, D.C., here's $2.7 billion. Why don't you get started at RFK? We have the right partner who's bringing these dollars to the table and guarantees us activity, jobs and economic activity at that site in 2030. Now, everything that the council does to delay it puts at risk some big events. The Women's World Cup is coming, and if we don't have a stadium on the way, they're going to pass us by, just like the World Cup has passed us by that's coming to the U.S. So time does matter in terms of being able to deliver in the economic development that comes with the stadium being open.

But I think the time also matters in terms of introducing more risk, political risk, economic risk, financial risk, you name it. More risk is the only thing that comes out of a delay. You said 70 days to consider, you know, a budget item, which this is, where are we? About 60 days since you guys signed the term sheet with the team? August 4th, I think, is the day, is the 70th day of the budget cycle. Mayor, what are the issues with the council? What part or parts of the deal that you cut with the team back in April, do you think they want tweaked or even changed entirely?

Well, they won't tell me. I mean, literally, they won't tell me. So I think they gave more to the Washington Post last week than they've told me or the team. And so that's what I'm talking about when I say, let's all get in the room, hammer it out, and come up with if there's terms that make sense. Now, I will say, like, we didn't leave a lot. I don't think we left anything on the table. Like, we negotiated hard. We got $2.7 billion, a roof stadium that's going to generate tons of economic activity.

So I think we've always expected that the council members would negotiate a community benefits package with having spoken to the community and focused on getting D.C. residents employed, having small businesses have opportunities on the site, focus on youth sports. By the way, our deal includes building an indoor sportsplex that would be for D.C. And so I think that it's always been contemplated that that community benefits package would be negotiated at the council's process. And I'm looking forward to that being delivered at the same time. The negotiation exclusivity runs through July 15th, is that correct? Yes. Are you concerned that post-July 15th, the team will negotiate with, say, Maryland as an example? I don't, listen, I think the team wants to be at RFK.

We want them to be at RFK, but they do business. They don't do politics. And so I think that we have an agreement. I stand by our agreement, and we both stand side by side and our willingness to answer all the council's questions and get to a yes this summer. And that's important. I've been around this long enough to know, and you know what we went through last year with our sports teams. And so that's why having a period of exclusivity was like I insisted that that be a part of the term sheet. And that's why I protected so vigorously because I was that other jurisdiction.

Okay. I was that other jurisdiction when I see a deal that wasn't solid. Our deal is solid. We have a signed turn sheet. That wasn't the case in the Virginia deal. But I know how this can go. And so I think we all need to treat that period. of exclusivity with the seriousness that it deserves.

All right, two more, because I'm adding this one. I'm just curious. How much, do you know how much revenue a 2031 women's world cup would generate for the city? Oh, you know, I do. We have kind of a back of the envelope, and I think we estimated a delay. I don't want to guess. I'll get somebody to get it back to you.

But it's in the hundreds of millions of dollars of delay of economic activity. All right. Last one, and this is sort of the way I do things on radio. Level of concern. Five, you're really concerned about this deal getting done. Zero, you've got zero concern. Our football team is going to be playing in a brand new stadium on the RFK site by the year 2030. Where are you today?

That's a good question. Listen, I'm concerned right now that everybody buckle down and get to work. I believe I'm not concerned about our deal. Our deal is solid. It pays off for D.C. And at the end of the day, I think everybody wants the same thing. So I will put my level of concern because, you know, when you're a big city mayor, you're concerned about everything. it at a four. Okay. Well, that's one away from very concerned. But we'll leave it at that.

Bring it across the finish line. I know you've done most of what you need to do, and this rests probably a lot with the council at this point. But thanks for the time, as always, hope you're well. Thank you. We're going to get it done. Have a good one. Mayor Muriel Bowser, everybody. I appreciate the time that she gave me this afternoon. That was very nice. up the show next with something that James Wood did yesterday and the Nats win over the Angels. It's something that hasn't been done in 21 Major League Baseball seasons. That more after these words from a few of our sponsors. A favor to ask some of you, not all of you, but those of you who haven't rated and reviewed

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Also, following the podcast, hit the plus button or hit the follow button, whatever shows up wherever you are listening to this show. All of that is a big help for us. Two things to finish up. This rather quick show on this Monday, the last day of June. James Wood yesterday in the Nat 7 to 4 win over the Angels in 11 innings in Anaheim became the first major leagher since Barry Bonds to be intentionally walked four times in a game. Bonds was walked four times in four different games back in 2004. By the way, there are only six players now in the history of the game.

to be intentionally walked four times. Excuse me, that's not true, since at least 195, not in the history of the game. Intentional walks since 1955, now you add James Wood to a list of Barry Bonds, Roger Maris, Gary Templeton, Mani Ramirez, and Andre Dawson. Wood went one for two and then was given a free pass his next four times up. With runners on second and third and the fifth, but a man on second and the seventh, so first was open, a runner on third and the ninth with first open, and a man on third in the 11th with first base open.

But this guy is having a season. He's hitting 283 with 22 homers, 64 RBIs. His OPS now at 938. By the way, the game on Saturday against the Angels was James Woods' 162nd game as a major leaguer with Washington. So 162 games now, a full season, 31 home runs, 105 RBIs. Those numbers are almost identical to Juan Soto's first 162 games in Washington. Soto had 31 homers and 107 RBIs. Bryce Harper also in his first 162 games, 31 homers.

All three of them with 31 homers in their first 162 games. Harper had just 77 RBIs. The Nats getting the win in 11. They took two of three from the Angels, including an unbelievable 15 to 9 games. on Friday where they had 19 hits in that particular game. I want to finish up with this. I don't know if anybody's been paying attention to Saquan Berkeley.

Sequin Berkeley was a presenter, if you will, of the Eagles season on the Eagles website, where they went through all of the big games of the year. And leading into the NFC championship game against Washington, he talked about the game in which they lost here. A game that I talked about at length on Friday's show because I had an Eagles fan remind us as to why the Eagles lost the game. Jalen Hertz was hurt. Devante Smith dropped a pass. Cornelius Lucas jumped early, false started on the winning touchdown pass. but this was Barclay on the team's website

talking about the season, the build-up to the NFC championship game where they were using as motivation the loss in Washington in late December. The mindset kind of going to this game too is the last time we played this team, we lost. We kind of gave the game away. That's why you've got to be careful what you do.

We remember how they celebrate it. If this was college, they would have stormed the field. That's what it felt like. So that definitely was on the back of our mind. If this was college, they would have stormed the field. That was a pumped up landover for that 36 to 33 win in late December against Philly. But they did not, the Eagles did not give the game away. By definition, Washington tried desperately to give the game away.

They had five turnovers. You don't win games in the NFL. when you're trying that hard to give games away. But they did that day, they overcame five turnovers to beat the Eagles 36 to 33. Yeah, they didn't give that one away. Washington was the team that tried desperately to give that game away, but didn't because their quarterback came up large in the fourth quarter, leading them to three touchdown drives on four possessions outscoring the Eagles in the fourth quarter,

22 to 6 to win that game 36 to 33. Look, I kind of like some of this. There was more Sequin Barclay from over the weekend. At Devante Smith's charity softball game, he was asked whether or not during free agency last year he heard from Washington, specifically from the commanders during free agency. And he said, quote, never heard a word from the commanders or Dallas. That's why it's being.

When I see them, closed quote. BTA stands for belt to ass, as in that's why I put a whoopin on them when I see them. I didn't know what that meant until recently. I think he said it in another setting a few weeks back. It may have been when he was talking about his Eagles being an all-time top five Super Bowl winner. No, that's not true. You can't be all-time top five when you don't even. and finish with the best record in your conference.

It was a top two or three defensive performance in a Super Bowl of all time. He has been running his mouth, hasn't he, in this offseason? First of all, with respect to this particular comment, if Washington had expressed interest, which they never were because they were in recalibration mode, they had a new front office, a new coaching staff, They had to flip an entire roster, basically, and they weren't going to do it by including a $20 million running back. And even if they had expressed interest, I mean, how disingenuous. He would have never come to Washington.

He was looking for a contender. Washington's over under win total was, what, six and a half, five and a half last year? I mean, he was never going to consider Washington, not last year. but I kind of like that he's running his mouth. I want the three division teams to become true rivals again. And last year was a huge step towards resuscitating the rivalry with the Eagles. I mean, when you play a team in your division, three times, including the NFC championship game as the third head-to-head, that is some history you're starting to build.

and their games won't happen until late in the season in 2025. I wish the first game were a little bit earlier, but let's hope when we get to them they are big, meaningful games. Because, you know, we've talked about this a lot, but Washington's been left out of the NFC East rivalry games for a long time, and now they've got a chance to get back into them. I know that they always meant something to us to a certain degree when we played the Cowboys, especially,

but they didn't mean much to the opponent. You know, the Cowboys and the Eagles and the Giants have not viewed us as big time other than historic rivals, but not in the moment rivals for a long time. And now Philadelphia has to view us that way. And maybe that's why you get Sequin Barclay taking a jab or two at our squad.

I like it. I want these games to be meaningful. Look, he's a great player. I mean, he's a great player. But he's also had issues with, you know, consecutive years staying healthy. And we talked about that writer that put together the top 10 reasons. The Eagles will be a dumpster fire in 2025. And number one was the load that Saquan Barkley took on last year.

And typically, historically, guys that have that many carries and touches regress the next year. We'll see. I mean, for Philly, their big concern is, can the dude play another full season healthy? He did it last year, but he didn't do it many times in New York. All right, I'm going to save the conversation that I did on radio today for Tommy tomorrow, where PFF put out the ceilings and floors for the second-year quarterbacks, like what's Jaden Daniels' best case, you know, during the course of his career and then what's the floor?

What's the worst case? I thought it was an interesting Jaden Daniels topic. We'll do that tomorrow when Tommy's on this show. All right, that's it for the day. Back tomorrow.