The Kevin Sheehan Show - NFL Draft: Co-Favorites at #7

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Kevin opened with the latest odds on the player who will be picked at #7 in the NFL Draft's 1st round on Thursday night and there are co-favorites/2 players with equal odds. Lots of Commanders' draft discussion in the opening segment before NFL Draft analyst, Thor Nystrom joined Kevin with his Top 500 Big Board in hand.       For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match   Our listeners get the Harry’s Plus Trial Set for only $10 at https://www.Harrys.com/[INSERT CODE]  #Harryspod   For all your garden needs: fastgrowingtrees.com/sheehan Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Draft Week kicks off on this podcast with one of my favorite draft analysts, Thor Nystrom, is back. He was actually with us about two months ago. but he had not completed his top 500 big board at that point. But it's done now and Thor will jump on with me starting in the next segment. Window Nation is the presenting sponsor of this show. 86690 Nation or WindowNation.com if you need new windows. So there are co-favorites right now to be picked at number seven in the NFL draft on Thursday night. Number seven is held currently by Washington.

But the odds, if you follow this sort of thing, don't give you, you know, at number seven, Washington's number seven selection, because that could change. They could trade up, doubtful. They could trade back, hopeful. But currently, there are two players who are co-favorites at my favorite betting place, my bookie. My bookie right now has Notre Dame running back, Jeremiah. Love and Ohio State linebacker Sunny Stiles as co-favorts to be picked at number seven in the

first round on Thursday night. Their odds are plus 275. So if you thought Jeremiah Love was going to get selected number seven on Thursday night, $100 would win you $275 if he was the seventh pick. Close behind both Love and Stiles is Ohio State wide receiver Carnell 10. at plus 350. And then there's a drop-off to Miami edge rusher Rubin Bain and then LSU Corner Mansour D. Lane. If you want to wager on the NFL draft, and a lot of people do,

my bookie is loaded up with every prop bet imaginable for Thursday night for Friday as well. If you decide to wager on the NFL draft, my bookie's the place to do it. Go to My Bookie's the place to do it. Go to mybooky.com or mybooky.ag and use my promo code DC reload for a 50% cash bonus. 50% of whatever you deposit will be added as a cash bonus into your account when you use my promo code, DC reload. So Friday night was interesting because to me, the Giants trading Dexter Lawrence,

to the Cincinnati Bengals for number 10 overall was a blockbuster deal. And I have to tell you, when I first saw number 10 overall for Dexter Lawrence, I was surprised. Now, I think Dexter Lawrence is a true superstar at the position. I have been a fan of Dexter Lawrence for many years. We did something, I don't think it was last year. It may have been last year before the season. It could have been two years ago, where we ranked the top five players.

in the division in the NFC East. And I think I had Dexter Lawrence at like three or four. Like I think he is a true elite level defensive tackle. Some of the stats that came out after the trade, you know, he's had the most or faced the most double teams of any interior defensive lineman in the last four seasons and still has like top three pressures among defensive tackles. He's a superstar, no doubt about it. But number 10 overall, that's usually for, you know, a quarterback, maybe an edge rusher, maybe a left tackle.

I was surprised, but I've said this before. You know, draft compensation, you know, when we try to guess on what it's going to be, we're usually so far off on it. I think it may speak to, however, what teams think about this draft. you know, Cincinnati may think, hey, there's just not a player at number 10 that we can count on that's going to be as good as Dexter Lawrence, certainly not in the short term, and we're trying to win in the short term. You know, that is the consensus that's out there is that there is a true lack of blue chip, you know, elite level talent. Some people think that, you know, there are 10, 11, maybe 12 players in this draft that are worthy of, first round grades. I mean, that's first round graded players, let alone not counting the elite level, you know, first rounders. So this does appear, who knows how it will play out down the road,

but right now, most people, and maybe the teams feel the same way, they look at this draft and they think, not the best, you know, certainly not at the top. So the Bengals giving up number 10 for a proven stud at defensive tackle seems like a lot, but maybe they're convinced that they're not going to be missing out on something at number 10. I saw this stat about number 10 overall in the draft over a 20-year period. If you go back over the last 20 years and look at the 10th player selected in each of those 20 drafts, eight of the players are 40 percent of the players were legit busts, you know, or something resembling a bust. Josh Rosen, Eli Apple, Matt Liner, you know, 40%.

Eight of the players were like, you know, nothing. Another seven players, or 35% of the 20 players drafted at number 10 over the last 20 years, were just okay. Guys like Eric E. Brun, who's been in the league for a while as a tight end, Devin Bush as a linebacker, if you take, Those two numbers, the 40% and the 35%, that tells you that 75% of players drafted at number 10 over the last 20 years, nothing special at all. You could do that at almost every spot in the draft, probably from about five down. And remember, most of the drafts before this year were considered deeper drafts or better drafts at the top than that.

this one. So the Bengals giving up too much, maybe not. Maybe not from their standpoint. Now, from our standpoint, there are a couple of things that are interesting about this trade. Number one is no more Dexter Lawrence twice a year. That's good news. He's out of the division, although Washington does play Cincinnati next year. So they'll face him when they face the Bengals at home next year. So that was number one. Number two, Ben Standing. pointed this out to me on radio today, the Giants now have number five in the draft and number 10 in the draft. And having that second pick be such a high pick at number 10 takes the pressure off them on what they do at number five, meaning that and Ben explained that there have been

recent, you know, kind of stories and rumors that the Giants may be going o' line, you know, but there's been a lot of sunny styles, Caleb Downs, Jeremiah, love for them, Carnell Tate for them at five. But with number 10 there, if O-Line was a possibility, well, they can get their offensive linemen at number 10. They're going to be options for O-Line at 10, which frees them up to take a player that more likely than not will be on Washington's board at number 7 in terms of what they're hoping lands at number seven. You know, if you take Sunny Stiles, Caleb Downs, Jeremiah love Cornell Tate. Those four guys, they'll likely take at number five. If they stay at number 10 with their second pick, and who knows, maybe they'll take that pick and trade back, because they

don't have a lot of picks in this draft in the top 100 either. But it's possible that one of those players that, you know, has been mocked to Washington could be taken by the Giants, although many Mox had that as a possibility anyway, but John Harbaugh and you know, Shane, et cetera, their front office in good

position now draft pick wise to do what they want at number five. The problem for them, of course, is that they don't have Dexter Lawrence anymore. Man, they did get a lot back for them. I think they did. So there were two things that I wanted to get to

here, draft related. in the opening segment. And the first is this. Adam Schaefter puts out every year on the Monday of draft week a column that is 2026 NFL draft Intel. That's what it's titled. And it's him essentially emptying his notebook of intelligence about this draft a few days before it begins. You know, he points out, and I kind of remember some of this stuff. But he points out that as an example last year, you know, he talked about how with all of the picks that Jacksonville had accumulated, that they may make a big move up in the draft.

And they did to number two where they selected Travis Hunter. And he pointed out that two years ago, he had reported in this same column that Michael Pennix was gaining, you know, upper tier first round steam and that he could go as high as number of. 8 to the Falcons, which is exactly where Michael Penix Jr. went. So real quickly, before I get to the point that's relevant to our team, his number one piece of intel is that AJ Brown's going to get traded to the New England Patriots. Now, it's going to happen post-J. 1, not pre-J.1. You can cut a player or release a player and designate that release as post-June 1, but you can't trade a player and designate it post-June 1 if it happens before June 1. The significance of June 1 is that anything that happens before June 1 or is designated as pre-June 1 means that the player

that you lose, whatever dead cap money still exists on your salary cap accelerates into that one year. If you designate on a release post-June 1 or you make a trade after June 1, then you can spread that dead cap money over two seasons. So he believes that post-J. Brown's going to become a New England patriot. And that means that whatever they get back for A.J. Brown, they won't be able to use until next year. He also suggested that the Eagles are going to be very active, including still potentially having an interest in Vikings linebacker Jonathan Grunard. Remember, before, agency in the signing of Oway and

Chase on, et cetera. You know, the possibility of a trade for Jonathan Grenard was, you know, in my mind anyway, because the Durante Jones. He's a Viking and he's a good pass rusher. And that's more of a night two pick.

You know, Washington's number 71 overall may have gotten Grenard, although I think the Vikings are looking for more, which is why they haven't dealt him yet. But that was kind of the headline of Schefter's column of draft Intel is the Eagles trading AJ Brown post June 1 to the Patriots. The Patriots, look, you know, they lost Stefan Diggs.

They decided not to bring them back. And they hit the true inside straight last year. Let's be candid here. It's not exactly the same as what Washington did in 2024. There are differences. You know, first of all, Washington in 2024, if we jump to the post-season, season had to win two road games to get to an NFC title game against the team that won it all and won it easily, the Eagles. New England got a Chargers team at home, and then in bad

weather got a Houston team that for whatever reason kept dropping C.J. Stroud back, which ended the game. I mean, they beat themselves. New England didn't beat Houston. And then they got a backup quarterback in the AFC title game, where weather completely. took over the second half of that game as well. Good for them to recognize we can't sit still. We'll have a tougher schedule. We'll be hard to repeat those things. But yeah, Drake May and AJ Brown, not a bad combo if that ends up being a thing. So then Schaefter got to a part that includes some Washington talk. And he writes about Jeremiah Love, the Notre Dame running back. He writes, there's growing chatter in league circles that love is truly in play at the high end of the draft with Arizona.

Ideally, the Cardinals would like to find a team willing to trade up so that they can acquire more picks, and there have already been exploratory calls with Arizona. But if the Cardinals hold on to their picks, some around the league believe that they could pull an early draft surprise and select Love in a slot slightly higher than he is projected to go. And then Schefter writes the following. Even if Love does not wind up going number three, he will not slide far. The commanders at number seven would seem to be his floor. Now remember, Adam Schefter about a month and a half ago in a conversation with Pat McAfee on ESPN, he talked about a strong possibility of Washington selecting Notre Dame running back Jeremiah Love at number seven.

So he thinks that's the floor, that if love is there, Washington takes love. He also said in mentioning Jeremiah Love's floor, which would be to Washington at 7, he said, last spring, Washington planned to pursue Aaron Jones before he returned to the Vikings. I never remember, I don't remember that. Maybe some of you do. I talked about this on radio and asked if anybody, remembered this report? Let me know. No one did. I thought that that was news. I liked Aaron Jones. I mean, he was 30 years old last offseason. You know, if he were available in free agency,

maybe Washington would have made a move for him. And then you wonder whether or not they would have brought, you know, Austin Echler back. But remember, they had already made plans to move on from Brian Robinson, Jr. We didn't know it at the time. Ben knew it. Ben Standing actually was the first one to suggest it right around now last year, maybe shortly after the draft. But anyway, yeah, Aaron Jones, the Vikings running back, the former Packers running back, was a target for Washington or would have been a target for Washington had he not returned to Minnesota. Oh, and then this from Todd McShay, Todd now writes for The Ringer. And he did sort of Adam Schepter style, a column where he dropped all of his latest intelligence on the reader.

And he wrote about Washington at number seven, quote, if Sunny Stiles is sitting there for Washington, I'm told on pretty damn good authority that Dan Quinn, that's his guy. Stiles is going seven to Washington if he's on the board, closed quote. That makes sense to me. I've talked about this for a while, that Stiles just fits everything. that, you know, Adam Peters and Dan Quinn would be looking for. High character, high intelligence, an all-time RAS score, relative athletic score for the position, and they have a huge need at the position. So it would not surprise me if Sunny Stiles were the pick at seven.

I think I was on a show last week, maybe with the junkies where they said number seven, who did they take? I said, Sunny Stiles. That, to me, makes a lot of sense. Now, for me, and I talked about this on Friday, I want them to trade back unless David Bailey's on the board or Rubin Bain, although I would understand if they decided not to pick Rubin Bain based on the analytics of short-armed edge rushers. But those two players for me would be players that I would not pass on at number seven.

but if it's love or Stiles or Tate or Downs, I'm trading back. And maybe you just trade back a few spots and still have a shot at say Downs or Delane or somebody like that. But yes, Sunny Stiles does make sense to me in terms of the kind of player that Dan Quinn and Adam Peters would want in this draft. So there's going to be obviously a lot of news related to what teams are thinking, and it is lying season. Remember that. There was NFL news today. The 49ers ended the contract drama with Trent Williams and agreed to a two-year $50 million contract extension. Man, Trent Williams, what a career he's had and what a lot of money he's made.

The Cowboys made Brandon Aubrey their kicker, the highest paid kicker in the history of the NFL. He's going to earn $7 million per year, $20 million guaranteed. And then Jimmy Garapolo apparently is considering retirement. That's interesting because of the following situation in L.A. Look, Matt Stafford's coming back, and if he's healthy and he plays all. all those games, they're good. But if he's not healthy, what do they have? Remember, Sean McVeigh was publicly stumping a few weeks ago for Kirk Cousins to come in and be Stafford's backup. But he didn't do that. He took the position in Vegas with the Raiders where it's very possible Kirk's going to end up

being the starting quarterback if Clint Kubiak believes what he said, which is, I don't think rookie quarterback should come in and play right away. I think they should say. it. By the way, Odell Beckham Jr. worked out for the New York Giants. And then Justin Jefferson, listen to what he said publicly today about J.J. McCarthy. A pretty blunt conversation about J.J. McCarthy. Remember, they signed Kyler Murray. Good luck with that one, man. First of all, he's got to stay on the field. Secondly, he's got to be able to see where Justin Jefferson is at his height. But speaking publicly for the first time about sort of the Vikings' new quarterback room, which by the way includes Carson Wentz, they added him.

Justin Jefferson said he's looking forward to Murray's playmaking skills and then was very blunt about J.J. McCarthy's future saying, quote, I'm definitely looking for those big, exciting plays from Murray. I'm definitely looking forward to his speed, his quickness, his arm strength that he's shown countless times over the years. And then for JJ, for somebody to enter that room with that type of ability, that type of talent, he's going to have to step it up a little bit. So it's good for him to feel that type of pressure and to really lock in a little bit and say, it's either now or I'm not, or I'm going to take that back seat again.

It's all a competitive mindset when it comes to these types of things. It's all about who's ready for the moment. and who's ready to step up and take that initiative. Close quote. Look, Kevin O'Connell last year, in the early portion of the season, discussed J.J. McCarthy's mechanics needing to be completely reworked. Who says that about the number 10 pick? By the way, the number 10 pick in the draft, that has a chance.

It's way too early. That could be another one of those busts or just okays. Man, I'll tell you what, it's way too early on J.J. McCarthy, but that was the one in the 2024 draft. I would have been so upset had they picked him. Remember, there were some conversation that maybe Peters was enamored with J.J. McCarthy. You know, at one point during the lead-up to that draft two years ago, I just didn't understand it. I thought, you know, if you watched him at Michigan, there were games. They played a game at Penn State that national championship season where he did not throw a path. in an entire half of football.

Long way to go, though. Long way to go on him. All right. So real quickly about the NBA playoffs that are underway, I apologize, I guess, so far to all of you that have written to say, here, where's the email that I wanted to read? I think I read it on radio this morning. It was from Ned.

Ned wrote, you do this to me every year. Kevin, the NBA playoffs, the NBA playoffs. Every game was a blowout. Here's something from you about you. Here's something from you about you. How about under-promising and over-delivering? L-O-L. I'll give it one more try this week, but that's it.

Ned referencing my description of Dan Snyder's Redskins for many, many years, where I said, this organization does nothing but over-promise and under-delivered. Yeah, look, the NBA playoffs first weekend, and I watched a lot of it on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sorry that I did. And I tuned out of some of these games that were just over. But every single one of the eight games, of the eight game ones on Saturday and Sunday, with the exception of one, were double-digit margins. The playing games on Friday night were both blowouts.

the playing games on the first two nights last week. You had the first game, which was a great game between Miami and Charlotte, and even the Portland went over Phoenix was pretty good. But then everything else, well, actually, the Steph Curry game against the Clippers was really good. But God, Saturday, 13-point Cavaliers went over the Raptors, 11-point win by the Nuggets over the T-Wolves, Yokic triple-double. An 11-point win, Knicks over the Hawks, and then just a 9-point-point win. Lakers over the Rockets, Kevin Durant did not play in that game. And of course,

Luca Donchich and Austin Reeves are out for the Lakers. LeBron had a near triple double at his age. Amazing. And then yesterday, Celtics by 32 over the 76ers, the Thunder by 35 over the suns, the magic, the only lower-seated team to pull off a game one upset on the road, an 11-point win over the Pistons and then the spurs last night behind Victor Wembenyama's 35 points beat the Trailblazers by 13. Yeah, it was terrible. But I'm going to keep selling it because I'm going to keep watching it. I promise you, it's going to get good at some point. It does every spring. But Ned wasn't the only one to say, shut up about the NBA playoffs. Don't watch them if you don't want to. I'll stop recommending. All right. I'll just tell you about some of the good games when they happen without urging you to watch.

I had something else for you guys. Oh, I wanted to mention the following before we get to Thor, which I'm looking forward to. And this isn't for all of you, but this is for those of you who like me are big Maryland basketball fans and were distraught with the season that we just went through, 12 and 21, 4 and 16 in the Big 10. really the worst season of our lifetimes. Well, Buzz Williams is awfully busy trying to make sure that this past season never happens again. Maryland's offseason right now is considered to be a top three-ish overall off-season in college basketball. Their incoming freshman class was already ranked as kind of a top five recruiting class of incoming freshmen. but now they have added five players through the transfer portal, and you take the combination of what they've added in the transfer portal

to their incoming freshman class and with what they have coming back. Maryland's looking like a potential preseason top 25 team next November in 2026. Now, a lot to be said between now and then because other teams are super big, busy as well. But Maryland added over the weekend to their other four transfer transfer portal editions, DJ Wagner from Arkansas. Wagner was with Calipari at Kentucky, followed him to Arkansas, was a five-star player coming out of high school. Now, he is not lived up to that yet, and Darius Acuff really was the star in the back court for Arkansas this past season. But Wagner is considered a talent, and he's coming off his best career

shooting percentage. And he's going to add something to this Maryland backcourt. Now, they also added Bishop Boswell from Tennessee. They added a shooter, a 6-9 shooter late last week from Queens College. They were in the tournament this year, if you remember. Maybond, Jabriel. And then their biggest land so far is New Mexico's Thomaslav Boulillon, a big 6-9 versatile big. But Maryland is busy.

I don't think they're done yet, but Buzz Williams is putting together, at least on paper, a roster that will get a lot of preseason attention. I'll leave it at that because it's really hard to predict these teams change so much in putting this stuff together. Really being a great talent evaluator is one thing, but putting all of these pieces together when you're essentially creating a new team every year in most places because of the portal, that's going to be the

talent, man, is to make sure that the pieces fit with each other. Kevin Willard did a great job of that at Maryland in 24, 2025 with the Crab 5 with Rice and Gillespie and adding Queen to, you know, an already, you know, existing juju Reese, et cetera. He had a really good feel for that. He actually did the same thing at Villanova this past season, you know, with the portal, putting pieces together that really fit in Villanova, which was not supposed to be a tournament team, ended up having an NCAA tournament season. We'll find out if Buzz Williams is good at that. That's what you've got to be good at. You've got to coach the team. You got to be good at coaching the team X's and O's the whole thing. But really, it's about this time a year in putting together

a roster, you know, especially if you've got lofty goals that really fit. And, you know, and can compete at a very high level. It's not going to surprise me based on what Marilyn's doing, and I don't think they're done if they get a lot of consideration for preseason top 25 next year and kind of preseason top five-ish in the Big Ten. All right, I want to get to Thorneisdram. He'll join me next after these words from a few of our sponsors. It's not easy to lose someone you love.

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a scheduling of that free in-home estimate. Call them at 86690 Nation or head to wind donation.com. All right now is one of my favorites this time of year. Thor Nystrom is a draft expert. He's an NFL guy. He does a lot of work with the guys at Score North in Minneapolis. He's a Vikings fan. But he puts out every year in advance of the NFL draft,

He puts out his top 500 big board, top 500 big board, and he does something that I've always enjoyed. He does something that not everybody likes to do for some reason. He'll give you a pro-comp, you know, past, present, somebody that this player reminds him of. I think that makes it easier for a lot of, certainly casual NFL draft fans. Thorr joins us right now. Are you ready for this?

How you doing? Oh, man, I'm ready, Kevin. Thank you for that kind intro. But, yeah, couldn't be more ready. You know, we spent a couple months getting to this point and talk to every single scenario. And, you know, you always look forward to the moment when all 32 players at the poker table have to turn over their cards. And that's what's going to happen this weekend. All right.

I'm going to start with the question that many times I end with. And that is, who's the player on the board, on your big board, that you're most excited. excited about being right about. Like you are super confident that you have valued this player in a way that most aren't, and you feel like you're going to be right? At the very, well,

we could do a couple, but at the very top of the board, that would be Ruben Bain Jr. He's been my number two player overall from the get, number one, non-quarterback. I think he's the most dominant player in this class, and he's gotten nipicked for a bunch of things, and, you know, there's a thought of

he could fall out of the top 10, I think that's absurd. And if he falls out of the top five, any team that gets in my opinion, you're getting an absolute steal. So I would say Ruben Bay there at the top of the board. I mean, I love him too, Thor. Like you watch a lot of college football, so do I. And every single game you couldn't take your eyes off him. He was very typically the best player on the field, including through some of those playoff games.

Why do you think the NFL is so resistant to that position? short arms? I think it's the data, right? And when you have the ocean of data, it's going to point you at more of your prototypical kind of build and athletic profiles justifying a first round picker, you know, in this case, a potential top 10 pick. And as you know, every time you make a top 10 pick, it's great.

You're bringing in, you know, a player that you think could be a face of a franchise. So also, you know, for the people making that decision, there's a lot of risk. because if that pick doesn't pan out, now your job is on the line. And it's riskier when you do it with a guy where the threshold stuff is as obvious as this. You know, it's even riskier because on the other side, people can say, how did you not know? This guy was T-Rex arm. How could you have taken them that high?

So, you know, you take a more conventional kind of guy that you can dream on the measurable and stuff like that's a little bit easier to sell it. And then also explain it after the fact of, well, you know, we were just shooting for the moon. And sometimes it happens where it doesn't work. out, and it's a little bit more palpable. I think some of those combinations speak to that. What makes you confident he's going to be able to overcome all of that? Because, you know, and you go back to watching all the college football, we have seen him over and over again erase his length disadvantage, which is the biggest thing that gets focused on with his

on-field profile. We've seen it over and over again, him erased that with the thunderous power. He has the thunderous power, and then he has the agility, too. He can bend the edge a little bit, but it's just so difficult. It's like if you have a moat, you have a moat to keep people away from the castle, and that's length. Well, Bain, he's got the power to get over that moat, every single thing he's going to breach it with that power.

Sam Monson, he's the one that's tossed out. Mike Tyson, you know, the example of a guy that lacked length, but power overcame it. I think the comp, really, for Ruben Bain, I mean, I have Dwight Freeney on him, but really you could put Mike Tyson. I think that would be a fitting comp as well. I was just going to mention the cop.

It is Dwight Freeney, who for so many years as an Indianapolis Colt was a dominant, dominant pass rusher in particular. All right, you pointed out Bain at the top of the draft. Give me somebody post-round one that you feel confident you're going to be right about. I would say, I'll toss out two small school guys that I believe are probably going to go on day two, but I won on each side of the ball. Ted Hurst from Georgia State, I am very confident that that guy is going to be a difference maker

at the next level and could be a star receiver at the next level. If Ted Hurst had played at Georgia, as opposed to Georgia State or if he played at Alabama, played some of these different things. Oklahoma last season, I think he'd be going higher in the draft that he's ultimately going to go. I think you're going to get him at a value discount because of that. On my board, he's a late second round pick.

He's now, you know, after his quote-unquote rise during the pre-draft process now being discussed as a potential third round pick. But I think it's a second round value that that's probably going to go in round three. Then the other one that I would toss out, I love this kid's game. Caleb Proctor from Southeast Louisiana, an interior defensive lineman. He reminds me a lot of a player that we get to see here locally coming to you from Minneapolis in Jalen Redmond. Caleb Proctor, 6'2-295 pounds.

and he plays a really unorthodox game where he lines up kind of a scant and fit like thin. He's not wide. The stance is very narrow, and then he just shoots off the line at the snap and is looking to crash gaps, and he can withstand direct shots,

like on his side, keep the balance, keep coming forward, which is the thing that allows him to, you know, sort of be skinny and angled at the snap. It's really difficult to keep that guy out of the backfield.

He is just so active, the havoc stats and everything like that. And you can say, well, it was just Southeast Louisiana, these guys. He was dominating. He also did it to LSU. So that's the tape to turn on for him going up, beating NFL offensive alignment. But I really, really like Caleb Proctor's game in an interior defense-aligned class where it's possible we don't have a first rounder. Caleb Proctor is a big-time day-two sleeper in that class that could ultimately

become one of the best interior defense alignment out of this class. All right. Washington's selecting at number seven overall. Are you a believer that this draft is very light with blue chip, you know, sort of transcendent kinds of talents? I am, yes. So what would you do at seven? Who are the players that you would absolutely stay there and take

versus entertaining a tradeback opportunity? Are there any? Yeah, so for me, for Washington, Delane would certainly be on that list and a name on that list that I haven't seen a lot of other people say, but would be, for me, is Jordan Tyson. You know, in thinking about that wide receiver across from Terry McCorn, I love Jordan Tyson's game.

It was just the medicals that we were waiting on, and all the reporting that we've gotten on his medicals is that he's been cleared with that. And, of course, we saw him working out and looks great. So for me, that's a wide receiver one in this class. And then Caleb Downs and Sunny Stiles would be the other two that I would toss out, where I would stick and pick there, potentially those guys get down there. We think that Caleb Downs will.

That's a guy where, and I think that Caleb Downs discussion, it sometimes gets lost in the weeds with it. Here's the thing that I would toss out to people. Look, it is a box safety. He didn't test this process. I don't think he would have tested as an elite athlete. So I understand the idea of, like, you know, devaluing a little bit. But what people don't bring up with him, it's the ability, you know,

it's a guy that plays in the box, he's playing close to the line of scrimmage. And in modern football, when, you know, now, Kevin, as you know, we have so much subterfuge going on on the offensive side of the ball, attempting to manipulate the defense, and you bring out the multiple tight ends, and you have the shifting around, and we can switch between three wide receivers, and now we're in 12-personals. Okay, we're bringing out a third titan now. The ability for a guy inside the box to essentially tell his teammates,

this is what's about to happen, or that guy shift. thing right there, it's always a play to this side, right? Like they run to the left out of this formation outside of the tackle when they shift that guy. You see him constantly on film pointing it out, okay, that right there, it's coming here, or run, run, pass, pass. It's a guy that's telling you stuff in advance. And again, modern NFL and sort of that ability, the guy who's like that sort of storyteller, but he's a second ahead of everybody else, I think it's going to be so helpful at the next level,

in addition to the instincts after the snap, right? And how you see him flying around and then going and detonating bombs as it were, you know, but before they go off, you know, whatever. That's the kind of guy that Caleb Downs is. So I think it's going to be super valuable in the NFL and in a class like this, like you're mentioning without that blue chippers, those blue chippers at the top, I think you can justify the seventh pick on downs. I think you absolutely can on sunny styles.

And, you know, this sort of a class. And as you know, Peter's is referred, you know, to his time with Fred Warner there in San Francisco. You have a lot of through lines there. Exactly. So did you just name four players that you think potentially could be there in Delane, Tyson, Stiles, and Downs? Or are those the four that you absolutely wouldn't consider trading back for?

Because you didn't mention love. You didn't mention a guy like Bailey. I don't think Bailey will be there at seven. But love would be the one that I think a lot of my listeners would be interested to find out what you think. If Love were there on the board at 7 and there was a reasonable trade back opportunity, would you trade back or would you select him? Love, I only omitted because I don't think there's any chance he's getting to 7, but he would have been on my list as well. He would be on that short list as well.

But yeah, omitted him and Bailey for that reason. And I suppose for my list, you know, I would also talk to in Bain going back to the previous thing that we talked about. but yeah, I don't expect love to be there, but yeah, absolutely. He would be on that list. All right. He's a big source of conversation with me because I love love, no pun intended, but I don't see the Bijan McCaffrey-Gybs-Sa-Wan comparisons. I think he, like I've said about him, he's Josh Jacobs with better speed,

which, by the way, is a tremendous NFL. back, but for me, not worth seven. It sounds like you think he's in that elite level category, talent-wise, of the best backs in the game. Yeah, I mean, you know, on my board, I have them sixth overall. Yeah. So, you know, by definition, you kind of have them there, but like, I agree with you that, you know, some of those elite, elite names where he's just sort of tossed in with that. I, I agree with that. Like, I don't have them as like, you know, for instance, Sequin, a level type process. I would just have them, like, you know, it's sort of a step behind that, qualitatively near Gentie, you know, just overall.

I probably would have had love slightly above just because of the preponderance of explosive plays and the ability to, um, as a receiver to win down the field as well. But I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I more or less agree with you. And I, especially agree, you were bringing up all the comps and, and, and I love player comps. A lot of these comps that I've seen for Jeremiah, I don't, I don't see it. Um, you know, like, um, you'll see like Jemir Gibbs. Well, Jemir Gibbs was electric side to side. Yes. He can make you miss right in front. That's not love.

I agree. Love is the, he's the slingshot guy. It's the guy with the instant gnaws button, pushes that thing, and he's out of there. But it's more or less that the straight ahead, you know, kind of, the other thing he loves to do. And this speaks that he's going to try to make you miss in another way, either a raise your angle or another thing outside of that agility thing that gives us. Love loves to levitate. He loves to jump over people. if you're going to go low on him in space,

he's going to attempt to jump over you. And I'm sure in the NFL, his coaches are going to talk with it because you're going to see the Pogo Stick thing with him. And I'm sure there's going to come a time when his NFL coach are like, bro, you need to keep your feet on the carpet, right? Like, we don't want to risk your injury like that. But I agree with you. And for these reasons, my comp on him has been clear from the very get.

He reminds me so clearly of a former high-profile college running back, and that's Reggie Bush. I think this guy is the second coming of Reggie Bush, and I think the NFL is going to use that kind of player better this time around, but I agree with you of not that Saquan-Barkley-type running back prospect. All right. If they were, well, hold on, on wide receivers. So I just want to make sure I am clear.

And I'm looking at your board, so I know the answer to this, but I want you to speak to it. You do have Tyson just one spot ahead of Tate. Why? Love his game so much. Jordan Tyson, there's a natural element to him playing receipts. that you don't see with these other guys. And sometimes he gets into that pick, like, oh, he's nonchalant.

He's not going, I think that's speaking to how natural he is. And you see it when he's running the route, just how quickly he can change direction. It's one of those. And I so hesitate to bring this name up. I haven't during the pre-draft process, because I don't want people to think that I'm making this comp.

But, you know, I've watched a lot of Justin Jefferson, of course, being a Minneapolis and the Vikings and covering them and stuff like that. And that sort of Gumbie pliability thing, it's something that Jordan Tyson also has that Jefferson has. But it's sort of the long strider thing during the route where they can start to toggle the tempo on you like a jet ski because of the way that they move where it's just impossible to know exactly where is the route break coming. And even if you could accurately guess that there's no chance that you can, even if you could, you have no idea what they're going to do in it. and then their footwork is super efficient within it.

So that's how they just always throw these throwing windows open for their quarterbacks, especially against man coverage. But really like that aspect of Tyson's game. I think he profiles as a wide receiver one in this class, whereas, you know, for instance, Carlisle T. T. T.L. T. T. profile as an awesome, awesome, awesome,

wide receiver two in the NFL. You know, a T. Higgins, a George Pickens, that kind of a guy. Whereas I think Tyson can be an actual needle mover for an NFL offense. My comp for him is CD Lamb, Jordan Tyson, but like I said, there's a receiver in my neck of the woods, too, where I think there's some stylistic similarities there as well. You know, it's interesting in talking about Carnell Tate, because I really like Tate. I've actually said the route running at times looks like Justin Jefferson.

I actually thought Tate runs routes like Jefferson. I loved your comp, by the way, because I think this guy with NFL fans is wildly underrated. You comped Carnell Tate to Nico Collins. Now, is he as tall as Collins? Collins is 6, 4, 65. Tate's what? 6-2-6-3? Yeah, Tate came in 6-2 and a quarter, which was an inch shorter than we thought we were going to get during the pre-draft measurement. So that was a good point.

But the Collins thing, I think Collins is crazy underrated by most fans. Now, part of it is he's gotten hurt here and there. part of it's been, you know, the quarterback was hurt for some games last year. But yeah, that's going to be interesting. Washington at 7, if they were to trade back, let's just say that that opportunity exists. They only have six picks in this draft and only two in the top 100, Thor. If they ended up trading back, let's just say with Miami at 11, because the dolphins have all of those picks. Who do you think the best case at 11?

for them based on their needs would be? I would say, because I think there's a real possibility that Caleb Downs falls out of the top 10. So I would say I would have to put him on the list. I would have to put on one of those two receivers that we talked about. Both Tyson and tape absolutely would be in range for me on that. But I think you're looking at, you're looking for one of the fallers in that. And we know that someone attractive is going to fall out of the top 10. you know, be it downs, be it, Bain, you know, there's a couple names that have been sort of bandied about with this. I think it'd be one of those guys monitoring the wide receiver.

I don't think there's any chance Delane falls down there. But yeah, that's sort of what I'd be looking for. Why do you like Delane so much? I like him, too. I'm just curious as to why you like him and why you could see him at 7 for Washington. Yeah, it's one of those, you know, when you start getting reminded so much of a different prospect that you really like, you put your flag down on and then a guy reminds you so much of it. Whether that's your bias or whether that's just, you know, your experience and it's pointing

you at another guy that's going to be like that. The evaluation of Delane reminds me a ton a couple years ago of Devin Witherspoon. I think they're very similar players. They play with that same kind of feistyness off of the line, the ability to press with both of them, even though they didn't have the prototypical dimensions you think of with like those, you know, long, strong outside boundary cornerbacks with that. just love every phase of that. And then the technical aspect of his game,

you're not going to coax any false movement out of him. He doesn't waste any movement. It's just such an efficient player with his movement. So it's just so impossible to shake him. You saw this year he literally erased one side of the field at LSU. Quarterbacks just didn't want to throw at him. So yeah, big big fan of his game. Do you remember in that 23 draft where you had Forbes?

That's who Washington selected one pick ahead of Gonzalez? I had Forbes later. I think I had him as a day two guy because I remember his last season, he had a bunch of picks, and I think like four of the six or five of the six were off deflections is the thing I remember about his e-vel. Yeah. All right. So you got a lot of receivers here in the first round, in the top 32, I should say, on your big board. You've got six of them, and you've talked a lot about Tyson and and Tate. There are two here, and you've got them in your top 32 on the board,

which would make them first round picks. But I love Boston, and I love Cooper Jr. Tell me about those two players and whether or not they would make sense if Washington were to trade back to say, let's now talk about 16 with the Jets. Yeah, yeah, those guys would definitely make sense. And Denzel Boston, you know, you're talking there. Loved your comp for him. On Boston, yeah, Corlin Sutton.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a guy in the NFL, sure, maybe not as superstar, but his NFL team is very much going to value him. A wide receiver two guy that can stretch the field, he has possession elements there as well, and the ball skills just being so fabulous. But I think with Boston, sometimes what gets lost, you know, he gets, you know, because the people that don't like, you know, they'll start bringing up like Keon Coleman or like, you know, some of these other people.

Keon Coleman, it was straight line guy who he got off the carpet, right? Like it was the basketball background with Keon Coleman. And the whole thing with him was throw lollipops to him down the field. Well, that was the one, you know, positive aspect of his evaluation. Denzel Boston can beat you in more levels of the field. And it's a more fully fleshed out athlete. Keon Coleman assuredly could jump higher than him. But like, you know, just as far as over.

all athlete and you've seen Denzel Boston returning kicks and punts this sort of a thing. And moving in space, just more fluid with that. So for me, that's an easy first round guy. Denzel Boston, I'm sure we're at same page with that. I got him early 20s on my board.

Cooper, I think I rank him like 30, you know, more like end of the first. 32, yeah. 32. Yeah, so very end of the first. Like him as the super duper tough, a slot guy. I love how he beats zone coverage. And I like how he zooms up to feel real quick transitioning from receiver to runner.

Very tough guy. And the spatial awareness of him, too, I think deserves to be brought up because a guy that is working intermediate there, a guy that knows how to run around, pick through garbage. And then also, you know, as you know, Kevin with zone, and this is an argument that happened a lot there. And, you know, when we talked about PFF and grading and stuff like that, the idea of how can you judge if a receiver is open against zone coverage when every single receiver out

on the route is running themselves covered and open in zone constantly. How can you make sort of a determination with that? Cooper is one of those guys that is really good at running himself open in the zone concept and on time. That is the other very important thing with zone. So you can sort of set your watch that he's going to be to the spot at the right time and then also is going to slightly modify based on the exact zone coverage look that he that he gets. So I understand how that guy for the modern NFL that there is a,

real value to that. That's why I put him in the first round. I just think you're a big cap there because it's definitely a slot guy, and I like them more with the yak and after the intermediate, part of the short intermediate, get them the ball, have them work around there, and then have them run, whereas the downfield thing and then the boundary guys, you know, so just a little bit of a devalue there for me in terms of that, it's a slot can, a guy that I want in the slot that I just have a bit lower than Mackay Lemon, who I see is more of a mid-first. Trump. So you had, just so everybody knows, and I would urge you to follow Thor on X at Thor K-H-O-R-K-U. Thor does a lot of work with our guys at Score North in Minneapolis, who we have on the show periodically, and Thor has a substack column. So I would

urge you to, it's a couple bucks a month. It's not much at all, and it's totally worth it. you'll get his complete top 500 big board, which is fun reading again, because he does something that a lot of guys don't do, which is give existing pro or past pro comps for these players. So I love David Bailey. You've got him at number five. I'm with you on Bain. But the player you have at 31 to me is a player that I can't believe won't go in the first round,

even though he's been mocked on night two consistently. you've got him in your top 32 players. How does Jacob Rodriguez not go until Friday night? You know, I mean, no idea. You know, basically, like, to me, it's a first wrong guy. What other questions do we have about him? And even with the position being devalued last year, fifth in the Heisman,

does that speak for themselves? It's a field flipper guy as well. The peanut punches he does with the fumbles, he's able to jump passing lanes because of how good he is. is with the film. And the other thing there, former quarterback, right? Like, he went, coming out of high school as a dual-threat quarterback went to Virginia. So he really looks at the game from the perspective of a quarterback and is sort of one

step ahead of you because of that. The range is really good. And he had gotten nitpick for the athleticism. And then he comes out, you know, it's a 9-6 Raz athlete in the pre-draft testing. And I do not believe that he ducked any of the test. So it wasn't one of those guys where it's just a straight-line guy. but not the agility, and he doesn't do the agility drills, and then he gets a high-raz. That was on the full complement of it.

I don't know what else you need to see there from Rodriguez. And again, even with the devalued thing, if you're going to say that Sunny Stiles is the top ten prospect, I'm not going to argue against you. I don't know how you can say that Jacob Rodriguez is not a top 32 prospect in this draft. You comped him to Eric Kendrick's a player you're very familiar with, and it did seem like under those Zimmer defenses, you know, in particular, he was always right spot, right. time, which is exactly like Rodriguez has this anticipation talent that's obviously an innate gift. Kendricks always had that. Still does with the interceptions and the forced fumbles.

But isn't Rodriguez much more athletic than Kendricks? Yeah, I would, you know, with some of them, you know, it's like, you know, you want to stay in the realm of reality. No, I know. Yeah. Yeah, just like nodding it at some of those. strength, but to your point, I would see him as like a 110%, 115% version of Kendricks, because, you know, like you said, is a bit more athletic. Certainly the last season in college

football had a better season of tape. Now, Kendr's tape was really good, but it's hard to submit any linebacker tape your last college season better than what we saw from Rodriguez. So, yeah, I definitely agree with you that. I would see Rodriguez as an upcharge version of Eric Kendricks. in the NFL. All right. I'm going to finish with best case for Washington at 7, and I want your opinion on that. But I want to fast forward to, let's just assume that their second pick in this draft is 71 overall. You've mentioned some of the wide receivers. Like, if they are still looking for a running back, and they added Rashad White, they added Jerome Ford to the running back room that, you know, currently only has Jacori Kroski Merritt, their seventh rounder from last year.

But who's running back two on your board, and would that running back potentially be available late on night two? Number two running back for me is Judarian Price. Okay. He made a Jeremiah 11. And on most boards, you know, with him, he's not going to be there in round three, though. I don't think that, you know, now people, they toss out he could go as early as 32 with Seattle. And it's funny because my comp on Judarian pray, he reminds me a ton of Kenneth Walker coming out of Michigan state.

Well, that would be the same round. If, oh, in the second, if they did in the second, the C-Rs, yeah, yeah, but like, I mean, could they hop it at 32, you know, with, with that, like, it's sort of interesting to think about there as a replacement, but yeah, like, if he doesn't end up going right there at the end of the first, we think he's probably going to go in the second round. Don't see any chance that he gets out of there. But if the third-round pick that Washington has, I think, think there's a nice little alley there of running backs that can come in and play early in a

draft that has very few players at that position that you could describe that way. So you've got to do your shopping for the running backs in round three, I think, if you want one. Your running back three is another player. I love Jonah Coleman. I love both he and Boston from the University of Washington. We've talked about several players now that you really like. Give me the player that you don't love as much. The player that you're convinced will be overdrafted. Way over-drafted. way over drafted. One guy that I would toss out is Dionne Burks, the slot receiver from Oklahoma.

Dionne Burks was displaced from his own role by a teammate they brought in Isaac Cittania last year. He wasn't even the best on his team at the role that he did, and he can't play anything else outside of manufactured touch slot receiver. I think that's pretty troubling, and you still look around on all these boards, and it has them as a day two guy. I don't think so.

for me, Dionne Berks, it has an underrated grade on my board. The guy that I thought you had much lower than probably most is Bain's teammate, Mezzador, Akeem Mezador, the edge for Miami last year that played opposite Bain. Why do you have

him at 63 on your big board? The data is not great on, first off, the age that Messador is coming into the league, then you have an injury rap sheet on him, you have a late breakout kind of a guy, and then you also have a bit of a tweener game, right? I mean, like, is it a four-three defensive man, I guess,

but he's not going to be playing across from Ruben Bain, just destroying, you know, caving in one side of the line at the next level. He was on a defense around all these superstars playing across from one of the more dominant edge rushers that we've seen in college football over the last 25 years. And he was a, what, 24, 25-year-old beating one-on-ones in college. Like, I mean, great, you know, and I have you as a high third-round pick, which I think is, you know, I mean, like for me, a 25-year-old with injury problems, I see is a bit of a tweeter that got a lot of opportunistic counting stats.

To me, that's pretty bullish, actually. You know, it's just not in terms of the consensus, but I would like someone to point me to data that supports Messador as a first-round pick. I don't think it exists. And the tape guys love him, of course. But the tape guys, they never will bake in. This is a 25-year-old beating a 20-year-old.

Right? you have to be able to do that. And like, so yeah, his tape is better. But when you're watching, okay, now I'm watching a 21-year-old, now I'm watching a 22-year-old, the tape of a 25-year-old should be objectively better. So, you know, that's just, you know, what it is. And for me, someone else can have Messador.

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Before I get to what Washington fans should be hoping for on Thursday night, I wanted to ask you a quick question about kicker. Do you think with the new kickoff rules with what we've seen teams willing to do in terms of, you know, 60-plus-yard field goals. I mean, in Dallas, all Aubrey needs really is the 50-yard line and they're in range. Do you think this year and beyond we'll see more kickers drafted? I think we would need to get a wider discrepancy between the couple cheat code kickers and then sort of the rest of the pack. If the range of everyone keeps increasing, you sort of stay in the same market, you know, as far as like shopping for those kind of guys.

But yeah, like if someone can even extend it beyond where we've seen and that you have a legitimate difference between the two, I think that's where you would see a team. Maybe not what we saw back in the day with Cbas Janakowski coming out of FSU, but, you know, who knows, maybe a day too. Yeah, all right. So I want to finish up with this, Thor. I want you to put yourself into the seat of being a Washington fan

and tell me what you would be hoping for on, Thursday night. Based on how you see the board sort of flushing out in front of number seven, but knowing that they've got number seven and then they don't pick again until Friday night, third round, number 71 overall. So one of your answers here, if you think it's the answer that you'd be hoping for, can be, I'm giving you this option, it can be that they're, you know, offered something to trade back and pick up additional picks. But what would be the thing more than anything else you would be hoping for on Thursday night. For me, it would probably be Delane at number seven,

and then with the third round pick, because Washington doesn't have a second, right? With the third round pick, we would probably be looking at best available between receiver center and then I'm going to toss in linebacker, too, because I like the depth there, and I'll toss it running back as well, because we talked about the power alley there of round three.

But those four positions, I would probably be, because someone's going to fall down there from one of those four positions that shouldn't be there. So that's kind of how I would do it. I would take care of the cornerback thing early and then go to the other position. But, you know, after that, that's how I do it. Real quickly, who is center number one? Because they don't necessarily have their center right now. Yeah, for me it's Brian Parker, the second converted tackle from Duke,

although he converted to tackle at Duke coming from being the number five, rated center coming out of high school. So Brian Parker is a center and just Duke wanted him to play a tackle, which makes sense, you know, best offensive lineman kind of a thing. But I have him just slightly ahead of Logan Jones, my center two, who I have just slightly ahead of my center three, Sam Hacks. And then I also have Jake Flaugher and Tre Zoon,

Tre Zoon left tackle at A&M, but going to be a center at the next level. I have them all group fairly close together on my board, and then Connor Lou, who some people have is the center one. I have just a little break between those top five to Conorloo. I have Conor Lou as like a mid-fourth round kind of a guy. But the top five guys for me, I think those guys could all start in the league next year. So for me, as a team that needs the center and the Vikings do too, use your third round pick at one of those five guys. So 71's not early, too early for a Parker out of Duke?

Not to me. You know, he's right around there on my board. But I also think, you know, you get to that point in the draft. So let's say it is center. You know, that's the thing you're monitoring. None of those names have gone off the board, because that is a possibility as well. You know, might be latter half of the third round. You know, maybe that thing kicks up just a little bit after Washington.

If Washington also sees the center class, you know, and maybe they even toss blue into that. So maybe it's a six-man group for them. But however they see it, if it's a bigger group like that and it gets to your pick, and the first one has not come off the board yet, why not explore a bit of a trade down and try to hit that run in the middle, pick up another pick? I think that's what I would do. You're always great. Really appreciate the time. Enjoy the rest of the week. And I guess we'll talk next year. Thanks, Thor. Thanks so much for having me on, Kevin. Thor Nystrom, everybody. We're done for the day back tomorrow with Tommy.