The Kevin Sheehan Show - No Deadline Moves; Quinn's Mea Culpa

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Kevin and Thom today shortly after the NFL Trade Deadline came and went without Washington making any moves. However, there were some big league trades...the guys talked about those. Plenty on Jayden Daniels' injury after not getting pulled from the game Sunday against the Seahawks including the boys weighing in on Dan Quinn's mea culpa a day later. Also on the show, the guys talked World Series Game 7 and Kevin had a few thoughts on Maryland's season-opening hoops win to welcome in the Buzz Williams era. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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windownation.com if you need new windows. Tommy, I got this from Brian. Brian writes, Are we back to the aura of self-destruction? At least we still have Tom on Tuesdays Thursdays and the film breakdown guy on Wednesdays, keep up the good work. Thanks, Brian. Yeah, the film breakdown guy, Steve Suter, he'll be here tomorrow. I am interested in what Steve says about overall offense and how many times Jaden could have pulled the trigger and didn't. How many

times people were open versus not. It was not a good night overall time. He's got a lot of thoughts on that. But I don't think we're back to the aura of self-destruction. I think we are years and miles. well, not years in years, just two years removed from the aura of self-destruction, but we're not back to that. No, no, I don't think so. The aura of self-destruction meant that

no matter what you did on the football operation or any part of the organization, it would be infected by the owner. Right. You know, and that was the aura of self-destruction.

That's right. The team had basically an aura about it that it would find a way to fail. It would self-destruct, sort of like the jets who reap the rewards of of the trade deadline with a number of number one picks today. And jet fans are probably saying themselves if they're honest, it doesn't matter how many number one picks we get.

As long as Woody Johnson is the owner, it's not going to change things. And that's where that was the aura of self-destruction. What's going on now with the commanders can be explained for football reasons. They're not coming from the top down, and this does not go up to the owner's box. Yeah, it didn't matter how optimistic we all were during those years. Like we would say all the time on this very show, we had to suspend reality. We had to suspend reality to have conversations about the team

because eventually even if something looked good, the owner's, you know, the way he hovered over the franchise and the way his destructive tendencies permeated every part of the franchise, it wasn't just on the field, it was everywhere, that eventually what looked good would turn bad. It always did. It was a lock that no matter how good you, We thought in a moment we had it, whether it was, you know, a great coaching staff, a quarterback in 2012 that had a rookie of the year season like we hadn't seen before until last year.

There were moments here and there, you know, but we always knew that it was not sustainable, that eventually he would, you know, he would, you know, basically take a brick and hit himself over the head with it five times until everything went wrong again. He almost had a desire to see it fucked up. Yeah, this isn't that. This is not that. This is not that. So somebody, this guy, Randy, I don't know if it's Randy, Bob, or Kelly, okay? I don't know who sent the original, but it looks like that they wanted me to participate in a bit of an email thread. You know, the first one was from Kelly.

At what point do we start to point the finger, Dan Quinn, from continuing to play Bobby Webb? Wagner and Marshawn Latimore in the icing on the cake, keeping Jane Daniels in the game last night until he got injured. Then Bob follows it up. Quinn should be fired. There was not one reason for Daniels to be in the game at this point. Indeed, he should have been pulled much earlier to protect the franchise, either willful neglect or total incompetence. Either way, he should be immediately fired. This from Randy, I got the whole string here.

Randy, not sure why we are all surprised. this guy cannot coach and definitely cannot coach defense. Go back to the last game he coached with the Cowboys. They gave up 48 points on only 52 plays to the Packers. Should have hired the guy on the other sideline tonight. If he stays, they have to clean house

in the defensive coach's room. The other guy would be Mike McDonald, the coach of Seattle. We've not gotten Tommy's thoughts on Sunday night. And we did get a response to Sunday night from Dan Quinn. yesterday during his Monday day after press conference.

But he also spoke to the defensive side of the room. Hey guys, Dan Quinn can coach. Stop. Okay. Stop. Is he Bill Belichick? No. Is he even Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh?

Probably not. He can coach and he was the right guy for this particular job when they hired him. and he's not going anywhere. Do you know why? Because they went 14 and 5 last year, 12 and 5 in the regular season, 14 and 6, excuse me, 2 and 1 in the postseason and nearly made it to the Super Bowl. And this year they're 3 and 6 because they have been absolutely decimated by injuries. Decimated. That's why they're 3 and 6 more than anything else.

And it's all of their best players. Like we've said, I think Tommy, we did this together last week. It's not just that they've had a lot of injuries. It's all of their best players that keep getting injured. Dan Quinn's not going anywhere. Joe Whit Jr., I think I'd be shocked at this point. Let me just say it for the first time in this tone. I'd be shocked if he's the defensive coordinator next year.

Shocked. Do I think he's going to get fired this year? Probably not. Is it too much loyalty from Dan Quinn? Maybe. Is it all his fault? I have no idea. Honestly, I can't imagine that some of it isn't his fault.

But I don't know. And I'm sure there are many different things that are being discussed out there where they say, well, it's not just Joe. But Joe got to go, okay? Because when we get to the end of this season, he will have presided over two horrendous back-to-back defensive seasons because I don't see a miraculous turnaround in the final eight games. I don't see that. So I do think that's coming. Quinn did announce yesterday, by the way, that Joe is going to come

down out of the box and coach from the sideline. So there's the big change on defense. We'll see if that works. We're going to miss you up in the box, Joe. We're going to miss you up there. Let's see if you can help. out from down below. All right. We gave you all kinds of recommendations. You didn't listen to any of them. No.

While you were up there with us. Well, we always have lots of recommendations. And I would imagine that if they took all of the recommendations from over the years, they'd be in another line of work, more likely than that. You know, look, it doesn't make sense. I mean, I can't think of any instances. I'm sure there is one or two, where you fire a coach in mid-season. or a coordinator in the middle of the season,

and he's seen up, he's seen upgrade. It's just, you know, you're just going to have to write it out. And what we don't know is how much influence Dan Quinn is having over the defensive calling. You know, somebody asked him a while ago about taking over the play calling defensively. He said he's on the headphones. basically he kind of said I'm plugged in I know what's going on yeah uh but we don't know how much influence he's having uh hopefully he's not having much influence because if he's having a lot of influence that's a little bit disturbing yeah it is also let me just add to um my response to all

those emails that were sent about Quinn to randies in particular at the end uh look it's It's very possible that they didn't hire the best coach. I think we know that. Okay, they hired a good coach, a coach with a winning record and now has even more of a winning record. I know that he was just a game over 500 when they hired him, but he did take his team to the playoffs in three out of four years in Atlanta. And then he went 0 and 5 in 2020, right? I think it was 2020. And he got fired, you know, during that season.

But Dan Quinn is not only, you know, a good coach. He's a highly respected coach and a leader. And one of the things they were looking for once they decided to go with a first-time general manager is they wanted a more experienced head coach. They wanted a head coach that would help to restore or rebuild the culture, which had been ravaged, obviously, by the previous regime. They wanted a guy that could attract an experienced staff and a good staff. they wanted a guy that would be good with a young quarterback, not from the offensive side, but just from a mentor and leadership side. And he and Jaden Daniels have a very good relationship from what I've been told.

And he's talked about that too. But, you know, he was maybe not the right guy for every job, including the Seattle job, because Mike McDonald is doing a hell of a job and was a hell of a defensive coordinator in Baltimore. No doubt. By the way, I wanted an offensive guy, so I wouldn't have wanted Mike McDonald. When we started that process, I'm like, I want the hottest offensive guy to get paired with Jaden Daniels or with whichever quarterback they select. But Dan Quinn was the right guy for here. And I remember the last game.

And I know what his record is against Shanahan-style guys. Just add another to the list from Sunday night because Clint Kubiak was coordinating that offense. But no, I just, I still can't wrap my arms around the idea that fans have gone in less than were in November. So in 10 months from, wow, got the GM right, let Adam Cook, got the head coach right, total culture changer, got the best quarterback in the draft, transformational guy to where we are today, which is fire Peters, fire Quinn now, and we really messed up in the draft by not selecting Drake, May or even Bo Nicks. Come on, people. Seriously.

Stop. We can have this conversation a year or two years from now if everything continues to go to hell in a hand bucket, and we can't blame injuries. some point. You can point your finger at the health of this football team. It has been decimated by injuries. That's why they're three and six. Jane Daniels is throwing to the backup for the backups. Right. He's not throwing to the backup receivers. He's throwing to the guys who they picked up off the street. Okay. And defensively, you could make the case. They lost three of their most important defensive players this year, two of them after the first week, right?

After the first two weeks, yeah, week three. Yeah, Wise and Will Harris. It will Harris. Yeah, Armstrong was the key loss. But look, I will tell you this, in watching this defense and even having the inkling early on in the season when they had a couple of good performances that I was not buying it because the performances were against bad, you know, offensive football teams that were injured, by the way. And, you know, when they played Atlanta as an example or Green Bay, they got smoked.

I'm not buying that even with the injuries to the defense that it would have been a good defense, but it wouldn't have been, you know, potentially when all is said and done at the end of this season, historically bad for the franchise. It's bad in the league right now. It's not as bad as Cincinnati's. I exaggerated in the post game. It's probably worse than Dallas's though. But yeah, I get we live in an era that's totally different.

It's based on what you saw last week, not what you've accumulated knowledge over, you know, nine months or a year and a half at this point. But if Josh Harris actually contemplated any of that, I'd feel like, oh, my God, we're headed back to the aura of self-destruction. if he made a move on Peters or the head coach at this point after the season they had last year, I mean, I would literally be, we're done, we're cooked again, we got the wrong owner. Now, if we're having these conversations two years from now and they've been a healthy team and they stink and Jaden's regressed to some kind of level that's not recognizable and the defense doesn't improve and Joe Witt Jr.'s still coaching it, we can talk. but Joe's going to be, I think Joe's going to be gone when we get to the offseason.

I don't know how you don't offer up something in the form of change, and that's the most obvious one, even if it's not all his fault. Yes, I would agree with that. Absolutely. Remember, I mean, one thing about Quinn is players want to come play for him, okay? And people want to play for Washington before because they knew they were going to get paid. Well, until they didn't want to, and it became the most repulsive place in the league to come. Yeah.

Yeah. But people want to come play for Washington because players like playing for quit. Yeah. Players are idiots. If he was a bad coach, but a good guy, I don't think the players would be buying in. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Bobby Wagner is not coming here.

for the last two years of his career because Dan Quinn's a good guy but can't coach. I mean, he wants to have a chance, you know, in the final years of his career. I mean, some of the guys that came with him from Dallas aren't coming here if he's a bad coach or an average coach

but just a great guy. Look at some of the coaches they attracted. I mean, starting with Kingsbury. I mean, Kingsbury had options. He was about to go to Vegas. And once Quinn got hired, he's like, no, I'm going to go. go to where Dan Quinn is.

You know, I think Izzo, the special teams coach had options. Anthony Lynn, Brian Johnson, Bobby Johnson. I mean, they got a staff full of guys that aren't coming here just because Dan Quinn's a good guy. You know, everybody believed in Dan Quinn. Now, you know, in that particular coaching cycle, was he the best coach? again, maybe not, and maybe long term won't prove to be the best hire from that coaching cycle. But I think he was the best guy for this particular organization. And I think they felt that way from the beginning, again, in part because they hired a first-time general manager.

This is a year that happens, people. It happens. You know, it's happened to Cincinnati in recent years. It's happened to Baltimore. And I'm talking about the organizations that, you know, with the quarterback. quarterbacks that have won and won a lot of games and been to the postseason like Washington was last year and advanced deep into the postseason. It happens every year where you look at some teams that just flailed all season long and ended up underperforming and the reason was

number one injuries. And that is the number one reason right now, Washington is three and six. Period. It's not that Dan Quinn can't coach. It's not that Adam Peters can't find players. It's that all of their players that are good have been injured. Again, that's been the biggest part of this injury bug is that it's happened to their most significant players. It happens, and we're probably going to look back. There are still eight games left.

We're going to look back and just say 2025 was the year that they got absolutely decimated from the beginning. on injuries and they lost one key player after another, and their quarterback was in and out of the lineup all year long, and they just couldn't weather it. The solar system, Tommy, was just too damaged this year, and there just wasn't, you know, any getting it back together enough to kind of turn the season around.

At least it doesn't look like it'll happen that way. Let's get to the heart of the matter. don't you think that the bloodlust that's out there right now escalated because of what happened in James. On Sunday night? Yes. Well, we haven't talked. So I do want to hear your opinion.

I shared with everybody, you know, after the game, very early morning hours of yesterday, that I thought it was utter malpractice, a dereliction of duty on the part of the head coach. and that, you know, as much as I'm a guy typically that will say, no, no, let him finish, let him compete. The circumstances around Sunday night were the context was just different than most situations. And to me, it seemed very obvious that he should have been pulled before the fourth quarter. So I was upset about it.

Now, the head coach, and I, Tommy, I said before the, I think I said this on the podcast, that I did post game, and I think I know I said it on the radio show yesterday, that I wasn't going to be surprised if he gave a Mea Culpa. I think he's that kind of a person that would step back from it, look at it, and then say it if he felt it. And I didn't think there was any way, after thinking about it for a while, he could come to any other conclusion. I have a lot of people that have reached out to me to say,

you're way overreacting. This was, you know, there's something here from Areta, you right now. Hold on. From Len. Len writes, Kevin, big fan, though not a D.C. resident. Think you're wrong about the Jaden Daniels' end of game take. The goat of all coaches, Belichick,

when asked about never, ever pulling the goat of all quarterbacks, Brady, regardless of score conditions, et cetera, once said, a football player is a football player. It doesn't matter what position he plays. Even after Brady lost a full season to a debilitating knee injury, when he returned, he played every snap until the end of the game.

Because in Belichick's mind, he was a football player. You may disagree with the decision, but the difference is philosophical, not negligence. You're simply on the other side. Regards Len. Yeah, Len, I couldn't disagree with you more. First of all, I don't know that Brady played in a game after coming back in which his team, the Patriots, the great Patriots, were down 38 to 7 with 12 minutes to go in the game. That probably didn't happen once, except for the Super Bowl when they were down

28 to 3 against Dan Quinn's Falcons. That did happen, but that was the Super Bowl. I wouldn't expect Brady to get pulled from the Super Bowl. But I don't think that the conditions of what went on Sunday night, him coming back after the second injury of the season, him being out there with a group of JV-level receivers that couldn't get open for the most part, and then being under siege at the highest level of pressure rate of his career, No, that's not what Brady faced.

And if Brady faced that and Belichick wanted to keep him in, he would have handed the ball off three times and punted. That's just apples and oranges. So what was your thought? They couldn't protect him. I mean, no matter what they wanted to do, they could not protect him. Okay, so that was maybe the biggest problem.

if you think that he should have been stayed out there and been out there then I got to tell you somewhere along the line your coach left you in a game way too long yeah they got hit a bit too many times scrambled eggs there's no way the combination

but the biggest thing was they couldn't protect him they couldn't they couldn't stop that rush I mean like you said it was it was the biggest pressure sure he's had all year. Yeah. And, you know, especially with 38 to 7, they could just tee off on them. You know? So, I mean, it's just, and it really was negligence.

And my issue, which I wrote about in my column, is not just with Quinn, but with the rest of his coaching staff. I point out there's 29 people left it on their website on their coaching staff. Two quarterback coaches, not just one. Right. It's been all of them. Right. You mean nobody came over to Dan or said in the headphones saying, Dan, we got to consider taking

him out, you know, to protect him. You know, I mean, nobody spoke up to him about that. I mean, that's just as alarming as Quinn, not seeing it for himself, is that nobody on his staff either saw it or felt the need to say something about it. Well, we don't know that. Nobody asked, nobody asked. We don't know that he wasn't. Maybe. Maybe somebody did say something to him about it, and he just ignored it or decided against it. Any of those things are unacceptable. So I understand why the bloodlust is raised a little bit.

The blood rust started before this week, though. No, it's magnified, magnified dramatically by what he did with Jane Daniels. I don't know that I... He dodged a bullet. He dodged a bullet. I mean... Well, he didn't dodge a bullet. The guy got serious...

He got hurt. No, he... From what we saw from the injury... Right. I mean, you saw that. I mean, my God, but poor Washington fans, you know,

had to watch Seism and had to watch Alex Smith, and then I had to watch that elbow bend in a way that's not supposed to. Yeah. I mean, everybody thought I think it was going to be much more serious. So I think he did dodge a bullet in that sense. He can recover from this. He shouldn't be fired, but he should be heavily criticized.

And it should be a learning experience for him. I mean, this is just the way they should have, they're going to have to handle this kid moving forward. They're going to have to remember that they're going to have to protect him. And if they can't protect them football-wise, they're going to have to. have to protect them other ways. I mean, football-wise, with the personnel they put around them on the field. Yeah, I mean, a lot of the personnel is not there right now, you know. Right.

You don't sit your starting quarterback when you don't have running back one, wide receiver, one, tackle one, you know, all these different players. Yeah, I mean. Or you're in a close game. Yeah, right. You know? But you're in a blowout. Yeah. You got you got you. No, no, no, no, you, you and I are an agreement. The idea that this would be a fireable offense is offensive to me. I mean, I, I, you, you, this could be a fireable offense in, in a, in a situation in which you don't have any other information about everything else, like, like what he's done, and, and, and, and, how, how much his players like him, his coaches like him, you know, and what, what he's accomplished here. He made him. He made him.

mistake. It was a bad mistake and it's an unforgettable mistake in my opinion. And he he owned up to it. By the way, to your point about, you know, all the other coaches, I said this morning on radio, I'm like, where's the guy they hired to be the game manager, the guy to oversee everything, to be in the coach's ear? And they hired him from the league office. I couldn't pull his name. His name is Dave Gardy. His title is the senior vice president of football initiatives. He should, should have shown more initiative on Sunday night and told the coach to get the quarterback the hell out of the game. Now, Quinn did say, you know, yesterday during his, you know, expressing of regrets over

what he called missing it, I missed it, is that the plan was to pull him and Ertz and Tonsol and a few other players after that last drive. So they did probably talk about it and said one more drive. and unfortunately on that one more drive, it starts with just over 12 minutes to go, and they're down 38 to 7. I know he coached in a game, somebody reminded me today, he coached in a game in which his team had a 28 to 3 lead. That was the Super Bowl, the opponent, the Patriots,

Tom Brady had all of his healthy players on the field, and they had a whole half to go. this was a 31 point lead with 12 and a half to go. There's no way they were thinking comeback, because if they were thinking comeback on the previous fourth down at the 50-yard line, they would have gone for it. Yes, they would not have punted. That's another element that I don't think I mentioned on the post game.

I was so incensed because in that moment I felt it. Like I tweeted it out at the beginning of the fourth quarter. sit JD, 55% pressure rate, JV wide receivers, call it a night. And you know me, Tommy, I'm not usually the call-in-a-night guy, you know, because I've held on for all these years, I think justifiably so because of all the circumstances to Robert Griffin III. It was a playoff game for crying out loud. And all of the people that wanted to save him from himself, well, we also know that the doctor went to Shanahan at half-time. who was going to bench him and was going to start Kirk in the second half and said it was the

brace. It wasn't anything else other than the brace was on backwards. But if you were really, like, why put him out there when you decided to punt on the previous drive at midfield, down 387? You already, with that, with that decision to punt, you know, on the last play of the fourth quarter, the first play of the fourth quarter, Down 387, you had already acknowledged the game's over. We are just playing it out here because you would have gone for it on fourth and 14 from the 50 yard line. I don't care about the fourth and 14. It was from the 50.

It wasn't from your own 20 or 30. So you would already, somebody needed to, look, how many times have we talked about this kind of stuff? and I just, I do recognize because Coach Thompson would always say, you don't think they knew when to take timeouts? Why don't you try it in the heat of battle? You know, in the middle of a game, see if you could do it then. And I would say to them all the time, I think I could do it. Maybe I couldn't, though.

In the heat of the battle and in a disappointing ass kicking like the one they were taking, you know, things get lost in the mix. But that guy that is your quarterback can't get. lost in the mix ever, especially since he's already suffered two injuries and he's coming back from the second to play in this game. And you've watched it all night. You've watched him have really very little chance to succeed. I think there are probably some plays because I've looked at some of the all 22s that I bet you, Steve, on the film breakdown tomorrow says Jaden should have pulled it. He should have fired. And not having a season so far and being in and out of the

lineup. He may not be at his sharpest either, but you can't, you're not going to, you're not going to live that one down no matter how much regret you express. And that is going to go on the list, but there's so much good on the list for Dan Quinn and what they've accomplished here. That's just so far from a fireable offense. Now, with respect to what you said, I don't think this has made it bubble up into a feverish pitch to get rid of them. I was hearing this for the last couple of weeks, but we'll agree to disagree on that. What were you going to say? I was going to say is if everyone calms down and ask themselves the most important question,

people in power and owner in particular needs to ask themselves every day, what's the best thing for the organization? what is the best thing? It's the best thing to fire Dan Quinn mid-season. There's no way that could be a yes. There's no chance. It could be a yes. But that's the question.

Ultimately. It can't be the answer after this season, Tommy. I haven't seen the final eight games, but there's no, right now I can say comfortably. There's no chance that at the end of this season, if they were to lose the final eight games and finish three and 14 that you fire Dan Quinn. No chance. No. I agree with you on that.

Okay. It just doesn't – that's not – the answer to the question is not to get rid of the head coach. I think given the criticism, and, you know, for all you people who still think it was the right decision, if it wasn't for us critics, the coach winner to still. up there at the podium and said, yeah, I screwed up. Okay? That was, that was a valuable moment in a way to have him do that. So we haven't talked specifically about that reaction. For those of you that didn't hear what Quinn said, Quinn opened up his day after post game, day after game press conference

by getting it out, saying, I know a lot of you, you know, So I'll play it for you. I'll play it for you right now. This is what Quinn said. I know many of you have been asking about the thought process of Jaden being in the game in that situation. I get that. I've been thinking about it honestly nonstop too. And for me, the answer is, man, I missed it.

But I would, you know, I'll fill you it out my thought process. At the start of the fourth quarter, I guess, was probably like 12 and a half minutes left in the game. And that was going to be the last drive for a couple of guys, Jaden. and Zach and Debo and LT. And so we're going to have any read run plays and meaning no carries, you know, for the quarterback on a run. And honestly, man, that's where I missed it.

Of course, he could scramble. It's Jaden. It's what he's special at. And that is 100% that's on me. So I'm curious. Were you surprised that he did this and said this? Well, yeah, I was surprised. I shouldn't have been

given the little I know about him and how generally media savvy he is to realize that this was the right move but you know in the coach's handbook this is not one of the pages saying I screwed up

is not what it's not it's not a chapter you can find anywhere in the coach's handbook did you think it was genuine, that it was heartfelt, that he meant it? You know, I don't see, if you've got any intelligence, I don't see how he couldn't have meant it. Okay. I mean, it's not in the handbook, right?

I think there's no doubt that it wasn't just criticism from locals, you know, in media. The national media torched him for this. If you guys weren't paying attention, it wasn't just. local media that said this was malpractice nationally, he got roasted for leaving the quarterback in the game, given the context of everything. I thought it, I trust that it was very genuine and heartfelt. I think he is media savvy, and I think the PR people out there are media savvy, and I know they know what was being said, and I'm pretty sure that they probably said, you know, you may want to think about addressing this, whether it's, you know, I thought about it and I feel like we made the right decision or I thought about it and we made the wrong decision.

I do think it was it was heartfelt. I'm not taking, I feel I respect that he did it. I appreciate that he did it, I guess on some level. Nobody, he doesn't give a shit what I think. But it's not going to make me forget this particular moment. And I want to add to it by saying, I don't think the Green Bay game in week two was the same situation, guys. I know a lot of you have said to me, he did the same thing against Green Bay. Green Bay was 27 to 10, fourth quarter. They were getting ready to score, which they ended up did score. The game was still not, I mean, I never thought they had a chance to win that game. I'm not telling you that I did.

I thought they were dominated start to finish. But they, you know, there was still a chance. And by the way, I'm not even sure. he knew in the moment that Jaden was hurt, you know, because I think that's what was said. The game that was an absolute, you know, head scratcher for me, and I thought was insanity, was his very first game last year when Tampa Bay was beating him, beating them 37 to 13, and with two minutes to go, they're running zone reads, and he's getting smacked around before he finally scored. I came in the next day and I said, Cliff, you, Quinn, this is, you can't do this at the end of a 37 to 13 game.

You can't have them running zone reads. And so, you know, this will, I remembered that, the Tampa game. The Green Bay game, I don't think is the same thing, but I'm not, I'm not going to personally as a fan forget Sunday night. That was a major mistake, no matter how badass you think you think you're. you are and how much football you've played and players play. This guy has had two injuries and he was under siege the entire night. Unless you were going to have him hand the ball off three times and punt the rest of the way he shouldn't have been in there, period.

So this is a forgive but not forget situation. Yes. For me it is. People make mistakes and I like Quinn. I think he is a good guy. Everybody who knows him well that I've talked to says first rate high quality. I think we've sensed that as fans from afar. And I've had him on the show, you know, a few times.

And a few of those times we've recorded it. And I've had a chance to talk to him afterwards. You've talked to him. I like Dan Quinn. And I think he made a mistake. And I think the pros so far far outweigh the cons. and by the way, the impulsivity of moving on after a season like last year and thinking about it this year just would be destructive to the franchise. Like, I guarantee you Josh Harris and Mitchell Rails and Mark Eind aren't thinking about what some of the fans are thinking about.

That would be a terrible sign. What? What happens now, though? The antenna is up. I mean, the antenna is now up for every similar situation that comes down the pike. And given this season the way it's going, there may be similar situations. And the focus will be much greater on how he handles, Jayden. And he may, and I'm all in favor of this, he may be overly cautious now.

You know what? I was just thinking the same thing, and I don't want him to be overly cautious. I want you to... It's a lost season, Kevin. not talking about this season. Okay, fine. I'm not talking about... First of all, Jaden may be done for the year, although I have a feeling, just a gut feeling it's not going to be for the year. We, as of the recording of this podcast, 4 p.m., we waited until the trade deadline today. Nothing from Washington other than they signed

Traylon Burks to the actual active 53. By the way, he played a bunch of snaps the other night as well. But no trade. No trades by Washington at all. I'm surprised by that. Lattimore and McCaffrey to Injured Reserve were the other moves. But there were big moves around the league. But anyway, back to this. If he comes back this year,

if he comes back and he's on the field, if you put him on the field in a game, Tommy, you're putting him on the field to win the game. So if you're going to be overly cautious, don't put them on the field, okay, if you think the season's done and you don't want to risk it at all. If a situation like the one on Sunday night occurs again, you know, he's had an injury, he just came back, the ass kicking is at an all-time high. Yeah, that's when you're overly protective, like, because, you know, and I used your line.

Sunday night was the ultimate. There's no juice worth this squeeze. there's literally no juice. You're not coming back. It's never happened in the history of the league that a team's come back from 31 down in the fourth quarter. So it's not happening. So, but the overly cautious,

I hope he doesn't go that route. I hope all the sudden they, like, I hope they don't stop using him in a way that gives them their best chance to win if he comes back in plays. I mean, you've got to put up with some of that. The antenna is going to be up. The antenna is going to be up from the front office.

The intent will be up from ownership. No. I'm not coaching to please ownership if I'm Dan Quinn. I'm coaching to win games. And I, but at the same time, what's best for the organization? Okay. What's best for the organization is winning games. Actually, that's what's best for the organization.

But in terms of the quarterback, I can certainly see situations where it would make sense for him to hearken back to Sunday night and say, okay, I learned. Let's get him out of here, you know, period. One last thing. But it can't be, hold on. It can't be we're going to stop running, you know, zone reads. We're going to stop running designed runs. We're just going to have him be a pocket passer.

We're not doing that. You're going to put him at more risk, actually, if you do that. I thought, you know what? I agree with that. If you take away his value, that makes him so valuable, then you're going to, then you you make them a target. Yeah. So that can't happen.

Remember before CIS started, I pulled Quinn aside and I asked him the question, do you ask yourself at night, I better get this right? Yeah. Yeah, I do remember you asked him that question. What did he say? What I really should. He said something like, I don't look at it that way. I look at it as a challenge.

He gave it some coach speaks stuff. And I thought to myself, what I really should have asked him, is say to yourself, I better not screw this up. Look, you know, part of it too, you know, the conversation, you know, and he injected himself, I guess, on social media back into this conversation, RG3 did. I haven't watched it. You guys have sent it to me. It's like two and a half minutes or something, Tommy, and, you know, him saying should

have been pulled, should have been pulled. I wonder, you know, what he was really referring to. But part of why the conversation gets to the point it gets to here is because the organization was such a total shit show, because people think that RG3 should have been pulled and that Mike Shanahan ruined his career, which isn't true. And so there's more of a spotlight on Sunday night, you know. But it's also because Jaden Daniels was such a huge hit and a huge star. last year. And this year has not gone well for him because of injuries and the injuries around him and it's not gone well for the team. And yet, Tommy, they still, they still have eight games

left. Eight games left. Starting with the Lions on Sunday. If he's back in three weeks, if he's back in three weeks. The Lions. Yeah. We're going to be pissed off from last year and pissed off because they lost last week. They're going to come in here really pissed off. Somebody wrote us about Sheehan's going to be into the playoff scenarios this year. I think we can probably scratch that one off the list. But if somehow they, let's just say, shocked the lions and went to Madrid and beat the dolphins, or let's just say they lose to the lions, because I can't see them beating the lions. I mean, the biggest reason isn't even Jaden not being there.

It's that the defense can't stop me if I'm quarterbacking the other. their team. Yes. But if they were to go to Madrid and beat Miami, and then they are at that point four and seven, and, you know, Jayden's, let's just say after the buy week, because when they get back from Madrid, they've got a buy week. So that's three weeks from now. Let's just say he's ready to play against Denver on Sunday night football Thanksgiving weekend

as a four and seven team. You got Denver, you got Minnesota, you got the Giants. Oh, God. I thought we were always, I thought we were done with this. I thought we were done with these conversations. You know why I'm done with it. You know I am done with it because they're so bad on defense, they just, there's no way they could win enough games to,

even if he came back healthy and played great with Terry back and others back. No, they're just so bad on defense. Miami's going to light them up with Jalen Waddle and some of the pieces they have. Denver's going to torque. them. They can't stop anybody. It's just... I tell you what, I'm kind of glad now I didn't put up the money to go to Madrid. Oh, I know, me too. Well, I didn't even, I don't even think I've told people I'm not going to Madrid. It's a long story, but basically, the radio station isn't sending anybody, and for me

to have pulled it off, it would have probably upset people from my other job. And so I took the path of least resistance on that. Not to mention that if I did do it, I would have had to fund the whole thing, which we could have done. I think we could have done that. But yes, I'm glad we're not going to Madrid now, although you love Madrid and I love Madrid. So football game or not.

But we can go to Madrid anytime. Anytime. It doesn't have to be for a football game. All right. Let's take a break when we come back. Washington did not make a move, but several teams did. It was a very busy trade deadline, and Washington's going to be without, more likely than not, another one of their really good players in their next game.

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So trade deadline date today. I'm surprised. No moves by Washington. I mean, it's... I'm shocked. It's the 4 p.m. We started to record this. We wanted to wait until 4.

PM to see if they made any moves and not one move was made. You know, I'm reading Ben right now standing. He's like, always have to be careful about buzzer, beater deals not yet reported, but we've hit 4 p.m. and no official commander's trade. So as of the recording of this, unless it gets reported late, they didn't move on from anybody. And I thought there was a chance. I thought there was a chance that Duran Payne could get moved, potentially,

thinking of guys with some value. With value, yes, so did I. Andrew Wiley, I thought was a really good bet, somebody looking for a veteran offensive lineman. You know, even a guy, I was even thinking a guy like Bobby Wagner, you know, where somebody wants a run-stopping veteran leader for a stretch run if they had a need. But no moves, no moves.

everybody is where they are as of now. They will be without Frankie Louvre this week. Frankie Louvo was suspended by the league for his third hip-drop tackle of the year. That's the rule that was implemented in 2024, which really rarely gets called in game, but players get fined a lot post-game. And this was his third violation. third fine, and under the current rule, three fines for players equals a one-game suspension. So he may appeal it.

We don't know at this point. I don't think we know. I haven't seen anything written about appealing or not appealing it. I think somebody posts on social media. He's appealing it. Okay. So maybe that will save him from this week. But if he doesn't appeal it and serves the one-game suspension, they'll be without another really good player.

for a game. Yeah, let me just say real quickly, because I want to move back to the trades that were made today. Yes. I hate this rule. And that weren't made. I hate this rule. I know that players have been injured by hip-drop tackles.

I think most hip-drop tackles are not intentional. I think some of them are. I've seen all of Frankie Louvus. I don't think any of them were intentional. And I just don't know how you play defense anymore. These are the rules. So if he gets fined and by the rule, he's got to be suspended, so be it. So I don't know why the appeal would work unless they're going to appeal the hip-drop tackle itself and whether or not it was one.

I just, the league and the game has evolved in which it's really hard to play defense, really hard, especially for the back seven. You know, where you've got players in the middle of the field, you've got players that need to be tackled, You've got receivers who need to be covered, and, you know, a lot of what you do gets flagged and or find sometimes both. I would agree. I think this was generated by the Mark Andrews injury, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. The Mark Andrews' Ravens injury. I remember I was at that game.

Yeah. You had your Spanish relatives at that game. Yes, yes, I did. I remember. Yeah, so the Mark Andrews injuries were generated. I remember watching the tackle in question thinking, man, that looks like a hip-drop to me in my limited expertise. But it's, you know, it's funny because the players are in a difficult position. They're members of a union that's committed to protecting them in a game that's almost impossible to protect them.

players from. Right. You know, so it's a real strange situation for players who get angry at the, at the penalties. But, you know, most unions in this country, one of their primary reasons for existence is to protect workers, and that's what they're doing with a rule like this. It's a tough spot. Yeah. You know, it's so funny, I'm just sitting here thinking, you know, hip drop tackles, juiced footballs, NIL, transfer portal in college sports.

All of the things that, you know, people say are going to impact the viewership of the game, impact the interest level in the game. And it just keeps going up. You know, the, the, they have, you know, gotten away from calling. every single hit on a quarterback, you know, unnecessary roughness late hit. They've taken into consideration some of that stuff and eased back a little bit on some of those. But when the games come on on Saturdays and Sundays and Monday nights and Thursday nights, it's still the best live entertainment we have, I think. In a world where live entertainment is the only real.

reason to watch television anymore. Yeah. Exactly. So today's NFL... Let's talk about what we know about the trading deadline. Okay. All right. Let's talk about what we know.

There was a... There were two massive blockbuster deals at the trade deadline. We'll start with Sauce Gardner. I mean, one of the best, if not the best, cornerback in the NFL, who, who just signed a ridiculous contract, making them the highest paid corner in the history of the league, not that long ago, $120-plus million deal. Getting traded from the Jets to the Colts for a first-rounder in the upcoming draft, a first-rounder in the following draft, so two firsts and Ad Mitchell, their wide receiver,

the Colts wide receiver, who, by the way, was the guy that cost him, game against the Rams when he didn't maintain possession of the football crossing the goal line on a long pass. It certainly was a reason why they lost that game. The Colts get Sauce Gardner. You know, this is the Colts going for it. Unexpectedly, right? They're seven and two. They just came off a loss. Remember last year, Washington, seven and two, unexpected, they pulled the trigger on Marshawn Latimore because they're going for it. They are going for it. Now, their situation is different because they don't have a rookie quarterback deal. But still, they are like, we have a chance to go to the Super Bowl.

We have a chance to go deep into the postseason. And we're going for it. We're filling a void and a flaw. And they did it with the best, arguably the best player in the league at that position. Two firsts and Ad Mitchell, that seems like a lot. And you're taking on that big content. contract. One of the things I've got to figure out is when the Jets signed them to that deal, how much do they eat in 2026? How much do they eat in 2027 of the new deal? Because that

accelerates. I think you can spread it out over two years. But, you know, I don't have a strong opinion on that trade other than the Jets getting picks like that back for Gardner and basically admitting, hey, we are in rebuild mode. We don't have, you know, anything right now in our organization. I mean, I don't know how you move on from a player that great, at a position that's really, really hard to find. Here's an interesting aside to this whole thing. Yeah.

What this means is that Carly Erseye Gordon, the daughter of Jim Ursae. Right. All this trigger. Well, she probably had to approve it, yeah. Yeah. They do have a general manager, and he's a good one. Yeah, this is the woman who is on the sidelines all the time with a headset. Yeah, she is.

And a call sheet. And initially, she got a lot of criticism for it. But I think the stories that have come out, have not portrayed a meddlesome owner. Right. More like somebody actually trying to learn the business. I think that's what I read. I read the same thing. I'm surprised we have.

haven't talked about it, but I think I read it last week. She's just so interested in learning as much as she can, and she thinks having the headsets on in the heat of battle and listening to her coaches communicate, she's learning a hell of a lot. There were specific things that she mentioned that I thought were really interesting. We can come back to that at another time, but sauce Gardner to the Colts is a massive, massive deal that no one saw coming. And You know, this is like I had my guy Pauli call up today and say we should trade Laramie Tunsell. I'm like, why would you trade a top three, top four or five pass blocking left tackle when protecting the quarterback is top of mind right now? Like I don't see that.

So they didn't trade them, obviously. But I can't, you know, left tackle's hard to find. corners hard to find. So let's see what they do with those picks. But the Jets weren't done yet. They traded their other defensive star, Quinn and Williams, to the Cowboys in a deal that I got to tell you, man, this is one I don't get from a Dallas standpoint at all. Dallas gave up a first rounder in 2027, a second rounder in next Springs draft, and defensive tackle Maisie Smith. This is one where

Jerry feels, it feels desperate to me like Jerry's saying I don't have many years left here. I need us to try to go take advantage of a season in which we've got a great offense. They lost last night outright to Jacoby Brissette and the Cardinals.

By the way, another smell test winner, 9-1, the smell test over the weekend. 9-1. I'm 7. I'm 70, 41, and 6 on the season. That's 63%. But, and by the way, I was also thinking watching that game last night, if Jacoby Berset had started for Sam Hal, I know that Bianemi was a complete, you know, mess,

but they would have won more games with Brissette a quarterback. Not playoffs, but they went four and 13 and qualified for the number two pick in the draft, which is why they have Jaden Daniels. you know, Jacoby Brissette almost killed it at the end of the year by coming in at the end of the year so that Ron Rivera could finish with a 500 career record. I'm pretty sure that's why it was done. But the Quinn and Williams deal, does Dallas really think Quinn and Williams and the linebacker from Cincinnati that they traded for are somehow going to turn their season around? Quinn and Williams is a really good player, really good player. I just don't see it being enough.

I don't see it being enough. Kenny Clark, Quinn and Williams together. It's pretty good up front. Yes, it is. They're terrible everywhere else, though. And they're three, five, and one. And they gave up a lot. First and a second and a player.

I just don't see how that... I'm looking for, you know, the typical Bill Barnwell or what's the other dude's name? the analytics dude, you know, for their trade grades. And I don't see it yet. But God, I can't imagine they're going to write that the Cowboys got the... Hold it. Here it is. Is this it?

Yeah. It just posted, as we're sitting here recording at the, you know, in the late 4 o'clock hour. Seth Walder, here's the grade. Hold on. The Cowboys get an F for the trade. An F. The Jets get an A. And this is what's written.

There's no other way to put it. This is a horrific trade for the Cowboys. Completely unfathomable for a team like Dallas to be trading away major draft resources for a soon-to-be 28-year-old defensive tackle on a salary-heavy contract in a season when it has only a 7% chance to make the playoffs per ESPN's football power index. And yet here we are. I mean, will you, let me just say this.

Oh, he writes it. He says, he said, don't let the negative rhetoric I'm using fool you. Williams has been a great player. He's finished in the top eight in pass rush win rate for detackles every year from 20 to 24. Yeah, he's a really good player, a really good player. But that's my thing. It's like, for what? You're not, you're three, five, and one in a conference that's low.

with teams with winning records right now. Let me see where they are specific to the wild card race. They're 11th, all right? Detroit's 7th at 5 and 3. Dallas is 3, 5 and 1. If they had won last night and they were 4-4-1, I think I'd feel a little bit different. But after losing last night, I'm like,

well, they can't trade away their future now. And Jerry said after the game, still have some deals. I think it's stupid. So do I. At least he made a trade. At least he made a trade. They still play the Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, Chargers on their schedule. They're not getting back into the playoff race. At least he's trying. The commanders didn't pull a trick on a trade. That's a big problem. Yeah, but Tommy, we don't have that many draft picks. I know. No, no. Let's say what we know. We don't. We don't.

know what they were offered. We don't know any of that. Right. I think we know that Duran Payne is a tradable commodity, and they could have gotten something for them that they desperately need draft picks moving forward because they have none next year, and they didn't make a deal. Okay. First of all, that's a bad look. First of all, they do have six draft picks next year. Remember, they got one back for Brian Robinson, Jr. They have a first, third, fifth, two sixth, and a seventh. The second and

a fourth are gone, you know, to Houston for the Tunsel trade. They also traded a third and a seventh for Tunsel, and they got a fourth back in last year's draft. So it's not like they have no draft picks. They have six. Teams are allotted seven. They don't have a second, they don't have a fourth. I understand that. Next up on Duran Payne. Steve Souter, who's come in here every week, he is not a Duran Payne fan. He said, I see the talent. I see what you see and other see. I also see a guy that doesn't give enough effort. He would not be on my team, period. He takes too many plays off. He lollygags. He just does not give enough effort. So even though we know that Duran Payne's talented, it is possible that there wasn't a lot of interest. They watch the tape too.

You know, everybody watches tape around here. I'm surprised more so than Duran that like one of their linemen, like a Wiley or an Allegretti, where teams are thin. on the offensive line and they're playing for something and they need, you know, even if it's for depth purposes, I'm surprised they couldn't get anything back for either one of those guys. I thought that was going to be the move. Like Wiley in particular. Yeah. And maybe, you know, the problem is he hasn't played well this year, but maybe a Von Miller because, you know, it's Von Miller, you know, but he hasn't been, you know, he's shown his age this year. And I thought maybe Bobby Wagner, like I said earlier.

Or even by the way, although they wouldn't have traded them now, because they don't have Jaden Daniels. But I think I mentioned last week when this came up, like Marioita might have some interest from some people, you know? But yeah, no moves, so no additional draft capital. Many of you are probably fired up and angry about that, but I would also say to you, we don't know that they could have dealt anybody.

And we don't know what was offered for anybody that may have been deal. and if somebody was offering a conditional sixth rounder for Duran Payne, you're probably not going to give them up for that. Probably not. Yeah. But what we don't, but based on what we know, I think there's every reason to be upset with the front office about the lack of movement here.

Yeah, I can't be upset when I don't know that they turn down a bunch of deals for seven extra draft choices. Put it this way, Tommy. I would think after Sunday night, Adam Peters and group, along with Dan Quinn, said, okay, the perspective on the season is now different. We're three and six. We are beat up to hell. And now we're not going to have our quarterback for at least another two, three, four weeks, whatever it ends up being maybe the season. We have the opportunity maybe to pull back a few picks, which, by the way, they did at the end of the summer with Brian Robinson, Jr. They pulled back a six-th rounder, okay?

But if let's explore every opportunity, I would be surprised if they didn't explore every opportunity. I would be surprised by that after Sunday night. Pre- Sunday night, I would have said, let's wait until Sunday night. And pre-Jaden Daniels injury, if they had just lost and Jaden had stayed upright, I wouldn't have been surprised had they not done anything.

But I would be, I'd be shocked if they weren't exploring everything. after what happened Sunday night in more of an earnest way if it was just sort of, you know, barely exploratory before that. So that's what I would think. But yeah, they didn't pull any deals. They signed Traylin Brooks to the All-53. He was a first-round pick not that long ago in the Jahan Dotson draft. Let's see if he can, you know, get some separation.

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so I'll let you the Hall of Fame baseball voter talk about it and then I'll give you a few thoughts in addition Wow Wow so many opportunities so many places where the game could have been decided

you know it's just just a remarkable remarkable display of baseball, remarkable pitching, just remarkable performances on both sides. And it ranks as, you know, maybe the best series since the Diamondbacks Yankees in 2001. It was pretty good. And the ratings were through the roof,

not just in the United States, but, you know, it became an international game with a Canadian team playing and so many Japanese players for the Dodgers being stars. It was a great series for baseball. And seven games is what you want in any sport. I read a television executive said the length of the series is even more important than the matchup. Right. Yeah, sure.

Yeah. The worst is a sweep for five games. It's terrible because it's. Right. You need the program. I mean, I really enjoy. I know there was a lot of discussion about the play at the plate that was, that, you know, where the Toronto runner was thrown out by, you know, a quarter of an inch to see it like.

Yeah. The play at the plate. But, you know, the, and, you know, people argued that he should have taken a longer lead. I don't have a problem with the lead. because, you know, they were worried about being doubled up on a line drive in that situation. So they told the guy to stay close to the bag. His mistake was not running through the bag. His mistake was sliding.

I mean, you have more momentum if you keep running. If you take the time to go into slide mode, you slow down. So that was put there, I mean, the Andy Page catch in center field, the pitching. by Yamamoto, you know, your savage coming in the game in the middle of the game and pitching great again. It was a great, and, you know, I hope baseball doesn't screw this all up

with a work stoppage next year because they got a lot of momentum going. Yeah. There were so many out loud, you know, scream, oh, my God, moments in that game seven. That's what made it so great. Like, game three, all-time epic.

And it actually, the thing about game three, it was so great through like the 12th, but like the 13th through the 18th kind of slowed down. There wasn't as much drama. Part of it is probably because, you know, anybody that stayed up was struggling to stay up. But the, like the Rojas ninth inning home run, insane.

He put him in game six, hoping for, you know, a great glove. And his defense in game six was outstanding. No one was expecting him to hit a game-tying home run in the ninth inning. You know, what you said, the play at the plate. I actually thought replay looked like when the catcher's foot came up, the bag, the runner's foot was on the bag, or at least it was a tie, but they stood with the call on the field.

The play in the outfield where, you know, in the bottom, of the ninth, the catch by Pajez, you know, who he put in for defense and you get almost with Hernandez, you get that collision, near collision

in the outfield and somehow he pulls it in is just that may have been the most dramatic moment. Because when you saw Hernandez turn and start sprinting, you're like, this is over his head. It's over. It's over.

Yeah. And And then, you know, the guy that Dave Roberts had just put in as a defensive substitution comes through. And then Yamayoto, my God, how great was this guy in the postseason and in the World Series to come in off the, you know, a night later, one night later out of the bullpen and to pitch, you know, two and two thirds. And then, I mean, to get out of the jams he got out of, it was just so, so good. I did see the ratings.

I looked them up before we did today. I didn't see him in the aftermath of it. 25 million watch this game. Most that have watched a game since 2017, which was Houston Dodgers in the World Series. And it blew away game seven. of the NBA finals, Indiana, Oklahoma City. Indiana, Oklahoma City did 16.7 million. Now, it was Indiana, Oklahoma City. We knew that that series was going to be a disaster for the NBA. And Game 7 or no Game 7, like I went back and looked at 2016, which was the previous Game 7 of the NBA

finals. That was LeBron winning it for Cleveland against Steph and the Warriors. 31 million watched that game seven. Yeah. It was LeBron. It was Steph. So, you know, we didn't see that in game seven the other night. We probably would have had New York been in the World Series as well, along with the Dodgers. But it was a phenomenal series. It was a great postseason and truly one of the most memorable game sevens I can think of in any sport, Tommy. Game seven, you know, the two most magical words in sports, game seven.

That one is an all-effing timer. I thought Springer was going to end it, you know, the opportunities that he had. I thought Otani would end it. O'Tani was only two for five, you know, in the game. And by the way, when we got to, you know, the ninth inning, the tenth inning, the 11th inning, it seemed like Otani had started a game three days ago. There had been so much game played. Remember, there was a near fight with Robleski in the game.

That's right. Yeah. Unbelievable game. One other thing, one other thing that comes away from the series, Vlad Guerrero Jr. announced the world that he is a superstar player. Yeah. He is, when you're talking about the elite players in baseball now,

you have to include him. His defense was amazing. He's a gold glove winner, and he showed it with his defense at first base. And he just signed a 14-year deal with the Blue Jays. So they get to, and then he's 26. 26. So they're going to enjoy his prime years. You know, the Will Smith Homer that ended up being the game winner in the top of the 11th, there's something, I've said this before about even the NFL playoffs.

When the road team wins in an environment that's that hostile, that electric in a big game, I don't know what it is for me. There's something incredibly thrilling about that, even more so than the home team. winning. I said this many times about Gibbs, you know, Gibbs won a lot of road playoff games. And I think in some ways, the road playoff wins were even more satisfying. Like when they went to Philly in 1990 after the, you know, body bag game in November that year, and they won with Philadelphia juiced up thinking Buddy Ryan and the Eagles, we're going to smoke the skins, we got a chance to go. There was just something so incredibly satisfying and thrilling.

about quieting the opposing crowd. When Will Smith hit that home run, you could hear a pin drop in that building. And yet, and yet it wasn't over yet. It wasn't over. You know, like, I think games, I think these hockey playoff games, I'm not a big hockey guy,

but we've talked about it many times. Overtime hockey is as thrilling as anything, because it can just end without a setup to it. It can end. And in baseball, one pitch, it can end without kind of a, setup. Like Will Smith just homered. You didn't see it coming. You know? Now that didn't end it like a hockey playoff game ends. But it's not that I was rooting

for the Dodgers because actually when Kershaw went to the bullpen and started warming up, I was like, oh my God, I want this game to end. I don't want him to come in the game. Because all I could picture was, can you imagine if he blows it? He's already had his one moment in the World Series getting that getting out of that base. his loaded jam in game three. And I'm like, oh, my God, what if he comes in and blows it? But he was going to be he was going to be the next left-handed, the next left-hander out of the bullpen.

Yeah. You know? By the way, we haven't even mentioned Max Scherzer and how great he pitched. I know. I know. Four in a third inning. One-run ball? Absolutely.

He was incredible. Yes. And he says he's going to keep playing. Yeah. 41. He, you know what? He is a big game, you know, guy. Although 2019, to be fair, it was Strasbourg's Game 6 that, to me, is much more memorable.

Yeah. All right. I want to finish up by just talking quickly about college hoops kicking off last night. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show brought to you by MyBooky. MyBooky right now has Detroit as a nine and a half point favorite in Landover on Sunday afternoon. The line was four and a half before the game concluded on Sunday night. With Jaden out, the line is now nine and a half points.

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And Maryland plays Georgetown Friday night. I know. I'm excited about that. You know, I don't know if either team is, you know, Maryland right now doesn't look like they're going to be the team they were last year. But it's because we don't know. They've got 15, 15 new players. Buzz Williams took over and nobody stayed. He had to recruit and bring in a whole.

whole team. So last night they opened up against Coppin State. I watched the game. Very, very impressed with some of their players. It's Coppin State. It's early. I'm not going to get ahead of my skis here, people, please. But you just want to see what these players look like. You've been reading about them if you're a Maryland fan all offseason. You know that they nearly lost, you know, a scrimmage, a preseason scrimmage to UMBC. And they, you know, they've had injuries, Miles Rice and Solomon, Washington are two players that aren't even available right now. They're in boots, so Buzz Williams is down a couple of the key players. But their freshman, Darius Adams, who was a top 30 player, I thought he was very impressive in his first game.

Love everything about his game. We'll see against the better competition, of course, Pharrell Payne, the big 6-9, 610, athletic guy that we saw when he was at Minnesota. then he went to Texas A&M. I love the Virginia transfer, Elijah Saunders, really, really impressed with Mills. They shot it well. They, you know, we're not going to know anything until they've played a lot of games

and probably not even until they get into conference play. But, you know, you got to win. Tommy, they got a brutal schedule here early. So they have Georgetown, then they go to Marquette a week later. They play UNLV. They play Gonzaga. They play Virginia. They've also got two big 10 games in December against Iowa and Michigan,

who's top five, top six in the country. So we'll see. You just don't know anything about these teams now unless they've got players from last year coming back. And that's why a team like Purdue with Braden Smith, who is the preseason player of the year, is ranked number one because they've got players coming back. Maryland's got 15 new players.

We'll see if they can gel. Last year we didn't know. and it jelled into a sweet 16 team. Now, we did know Derek Queen was going to be a good player. We felt pretty confident about that. So the last thing I wanted to say in watching some college hoops last night is there was a freshman debut in Las Vegas in a game between the defending champion Florida Gators ranked third and 13th ranked Arizona.

And Coa Pete, K-O-A last name, P-E-A-T, freshman, from Arizona, top 15, top 20 player, but not number one overall, debuted in a high-level game against Florida, 30 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, three steals, two block shots. I watched a lot of that game as I was going back and forth with the football. He is so impressive. Like I kept saying to myself, I'm watching a future number one pick in the draft, or at least a top five pick in the draft.

And he is old school. There's a lot of Derek Queen in his game. You know, Derek Queen was called the baby Yokic Tommy this time last year because he was an old school player. You know, it's not all athleticism. And that's what this guy Pete is. Now, Pete's not as big as Queen. Queen's 610, 611.

Pete's 68, but still like 240. Oh my God. He had the up and unders. He had the one-legged fadeaway Euro style. really good passer, seize the floor, really good player. So there you go. That's my night one college basketball conversation. Excited for Terps Hoyas on Friday night.

I think Ed Cooley is going to be on the radio show with me tomorrow. Ed Cooley tomorrow on the radio show. And hopefully Buzz will be on with me before the end of the week as well. Do you have anything else that you'd like to say or add to the show? I got nothing else for you, boss. All right. We're done. I'm back tomorrow with Steve Suter and his film breakdown. See you, Tommy.

See you, boss.