The Kevin Sheehan Show - No Mary Jo + New Bidder?

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

Kevin and Thom today with thoughts on the Washington Post report that Dan Snyder has declined to meet with Mary Jo White for her investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct and financial improprieties. Also, the guys discussed a report of a new $7 Billion bidder for the Commanders. The boys also talked Sam Howell, Ron Rivera, Eric Bieniemy, Chase Young, Montez Sweat, Cherry Blossom traffic, Aretha Franklin, Stillwater, the Elite 8 and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Did you see that somebody took a picture of me watching Aretha? No, no. Somebody posted it on Twitter. The show hadn't started yet, and they took a picture of my back in the crowd, and they said, is this Tom Levera? And it was. No, really? I'm in Baltimore.

I'm in Baltimore at the hippodrome, and there's people taking my pictures. I mean, you know, you're Tom Laverro. I mean, I want to find this picture. I want to see where your seats were. Where were your seats? They were on the, they were decent seats. They weren't front row or anything like that. But they were good seats.

Were they in the... The reason was great. It was good. Yeah. I mean, they didn't even get to all her songs. That's how big her songbook is. You know? And then they were there for three.

hours. So it was really good. The hippodrome's a great place to see a show. I don't think I've been to the hippodrome. I did. In fact, I know I haven't there. Here's the picture. Here's the picture. Yeah, that's Tommy, all right. That is Tommy. Now, wait, where's, who are you sitting next to? Well, I'm sitting next to, I think. Liz didn't go?

Liz went. Oh, okay. And my son. Okay, you see, your son was with you. I thought it was just you and Liz. Okay. Those aren't bad seats. They're in the orchestra section, right? Yeah, they're good seats. Yeah, they weren't bad.

I was very happy with them. Yeah, and it was a good show. Good for you. That's a good show. By the way, one other quick text to read, because I forgot to read this to you on Thursday. And that came from my friend Jason, who said that the winner of the ESPN bracket, contest, either last year or the year before, was nine years old. So thank you, Jason, for reminding me and Tom of the conversation we had on Tuesday

when Tom basically laughed me off the air saying nine-year-olds don't play the bracket contest. Yeah, they do. And a lot of you reached out to say, my son, we make it a family event. I went to a show, and I'm going to tie this into a bracket. a big story that came out of this weekend. I went to a show on Thursday night. I told you I was going down to the wharf, and I wasn't going to the anthem,

which I think is a great venue, phenomenal venue. I was going to Union Stage, which is, you know, right near the Wharf, right near the Anthem on the Wharf. And it's more of like a 500, 600 seat venue. And my son and his girlfriend,

who have a band, were playing as the warm-up for the main event that night. And it usually, to get to the wharf, which by the way, to get to Nats Park, I mean, you go the same way, you go independence to Main Avenue, you know, and you're there. It usually from my house where I live now, if I were to go to a Nats game on a weekend, it would literally take me 15 minutes to get to Nats Park. It would take me, you know, 11 minutes to get to the wharf. it took us over an hour to get there on Thursday night. And the reason was the cherry blossoms. The cherry blossoms were in full bloom on Thursday night.

This is before all of the rain came in on Friday and Saturday. Man, we had some rain over the weekend. And I don't think I mention this on the show Friday because this would be something that I would mention just to Tommy. and that is, I can't believe how many, how much traffic there is, but what really makes the traffic awful is that people stop. We're on Independence Avenue, and people stop and they get out with their car in the far right lane. Sometimes it's not even the far right lane, and they take pictures. Oh, my God.

People, you can't stop traffic to get out. And by the way, it's not a quick, like, let's jump out and, you. And it's a couple of pictures. No, no, no, you got to move over a little bit there. Honey, you got to move over there. Hey, Tommy, you got to get in between because you're shorter. And they get the whole thing. And it's like, I can't believe in.

People are honking, but then other people are doing it. And so it took us an hour to get to the wharf the other night. So I saw this tweet yesterday. It's from Tom Rousey, who works for ABC Channel 7. And he tweeted out yesterday, the worst cherry blossom traffic I have ever seen. They made Ohio Drive one way eastbound this year, and I'm thinking they need to rethink that. Also, they had plans to close East Basin Drive near the, and he's just showing video of the traffic. Look, the blossoms are great, and it's part of what makes our city great, are the cherry blossoms.

And I understand that this time of year you don't want to be, if you don't have interest in the cherry blossoms, or being a part of the Cherry Blossom event or parade or whatever it is that was down there yesterday. Don't go down there this weekend. But people, you can't stop your car in the middle of traffic and get your family out and start taking pictures with the cherry blossoms in the background. You've got to find a parking space to do that. Did you contact the D.C. police and complain about it? I didn't.

Who would you complain to? I did. Would that be like Capitol Police, D.C. police? Metro police secret service? Who would that be? Would it be Park Police? Might be the Park Police. Park Police?

I don't know who you'd complain. You know, I'm not a big complainer when it comes to that. And I didn't roll down my window and scream because the people seemed to be really excited about the opportunity. And they weren't the only ones. But the cherry blossoms looked great. And it really is, you know, on the way back Thursday night, we were driving, you know, when you're coming down that one stretch,

towards independence, the monuments right there, and it's lit up at night. And then you've got, by the way, the cherry blossoms just aren't on the tidal basin. I have a cherry blossom tree in front of my new house. I didn't realize that until this year. Somehow I just missed it last year. I mean, there are a lot of cherry blossom trees, a lot of cherry trees all over. I mean, the famous neighborhood in town where cars are lined up to drive through it every single spring is Kenwood. you know Kenwood Tommy right off of River Road that neighborhood was planted with all you know the entire

neighborhood is lined with cherry trees so people come in and by the way they stop and take pictures in that neighborhood too it must be great to live in that neighborhood it's a rather pricey neighborhood but it's um but it's beautiful in there absolutely gorgeous but uh anyway I don't know where I was going with this I just wanted to complain about the cherry blossom traffic but it is you know the drive back that night just when the monuments lit up at night on a perfectly clear night. It was before the rains came in the next day. And then you got cherry blossoms.

It's too bad we couldn't have captured that with the new ballpark. It's not a new ballpark anymore. Yes. You know? Yes, it is. It really is. You know, you could see the Capitol building when the ballpark first opened before they built all the offices and condos.

But you had to be in the 400 section to see it. I could see it from the press box. Yeah, you had to be way up high. The press box is really up high. Do you know, and I've told you guys this before, that the parking garages were supposed to be eight stories high, and they cut them down. They changed it to four stories high.

Right. So the parking garages, I mean, would have blocked out everything. Yeah, it is a shame that you don't have that for you. Have you watched the movie Stillwater? Yes, with Matt Damon? Yes. About going to Russia, right? No, France, Marseille, yeah.

France, okay. Something like that. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I watched it. Did you like the movie? I enjoyed it. It's not particularly memorable. I wouldn't put on my list of anything,

but I like Matt Damon usually in everything, so I liked it. Yeah, so that movie, it came out with a lot of fanfare in 2021. Like it had won some sort of an award in con or whatever. And then it got pretty much, this is my memory, I could be wrong. But it got universally panned, I think. It did not get really good scores.

And for whatever reason, it was on this weekend, and I watched it. And, you know, I kind of picked it up like 20 minutes in, so I just went back and started it from the beginning. I thought it was a really good movie. But here's why I wanted to bring it up. Matt Damon is good and everything, and he plays this guy, Bill Becker, who is from Oklahoma and his daughter, who was studying over in France, is involved in a murder where she's convicted

and she's sentenced to like 11 years in prison in a Marseille. And she professes her innocence, and he comes over, and he's kind of a, an F, you know, father and husband and the wife passed away and the grandmother kind of raised the daughter, but he's over there and he wants to figure out how to find the real killer. Anyway, I thought it was a good movie. I thought it was a really good movie. I think the woman that played, the French woman who with her daughter took him in, helped him translate a lot of stuff early on, and then they become very close friends. I don't know what her name is. I forget what her name is. I waited for the credits to see it. But the daughter is why I bring up

the movie. I like the movie. Let me just tell you. I thought it was a really good movie. I mean, it's not the greatest movie of all time, but I thought it was good, really good. The daughter, the entire time I'm watching this movie, I'm like, how do I know this girl who's playing, you know, his daughter, who's, you know, this is five years. She's already been in prison four to five years. if she's in college, she's supposed to be in her mid-20s, which I'm guessing she probably is pretty close to that in real life. And then it hit me finally at the end of the movie when I saw her name. She was the little girl from Little Miss Sunshine,

which is a movie of Abigail Breslin. That's a good movie. That's a great movie with Tony Colette and Steve Corell and who, Who plays the uptight, you know, father? What's his name? Alan Arkin. No, Alan Arkin plays the grandfather. Right, the grandfather.

Who plays the father? Paul Danos in that movie. God damn, I can't think of the... Let me pull this up. This is going to drive me nuts. But that's a good movie. Yeah, but so... That's who plays

Matt Damon's daughter is Abigail Breslin, but she's in her mid-20s now. She's every bit of her mid-20s because she was probably like nine or ten when she was in Little Miss Sunshine, right? So that's got to be 15 years ago, every bit of it 15 years ago. And so Greg Kinnear. Greg Kinnear. Okay. Yeah.

He was really good in that movie. He played that role perfectly. But I thought the daughter was, Abigail Breslin, was great in this movie Stillwater. I actually think she was as good as Matt Damon. Matt was, he was good in the movie. I thought, I liked the movie. So it's a recommendation. Okay.

If you haven't seen it. I guess it's now playing because I, I don't know what I was watching it on, Showtime, something it popped up on. I don't think it was HBO. But I remember it got a lot of hype when it came out. I just had not watched it. Abigail Breslin's 26 years old, Little Miss Sunshine was made in 2000.

2006, Tommy. 17 years ago that movie came out. Well, speaking of movies. Yeah. This weekend on Saturday. Saturday was my birthday. Happy birthday.

It was my 69th birthday. Oh, my God. Wait, Tommy, hold on. What's your signed? Well, it used to be in Aries. I think they changed it. So you're not a Pisces? No, I wasn't Ares. I don't know what I am now.

What day was your birthday? March 25th. Oh, March 25th. The same day as Areza Franklin. March 25th. Okay, you just missed being up. You just, oh, March 25th. Hold on, give me the names that have your birthday?

Areza Franklin, Elton John, Lloyd Axton, Lee Mizzily, and Howard Coasell. Wow. All right. Yeah, it's quite the list. There you go. So on Saturday, to celebrate my birthday, we went to a place where I got a Monte Cristo sandwich. Not just any Monte Cristo sandwich, but the Benegans Monty Cristo sandwich.

Okay? Somebody, one of our listeners pointed out to me that there used to be a Benegence in Clarksburg that I used to go to. But it changed hands. it became called the Clarksburg Cavern, or they just changed the name, and they don't have the Ben against affiliation anymore. So I figured, well, that's the end of my Monte Cristo and kind of forgot about it. Well, they alerted me to the fact that they kept the Monte Cristo on their menu. So we headed over there on Saturday for lunch, and it was fabulous.

The Moni Cristo was a good Monty Cristo? Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. It was a religious experience. This is a, what's the name of the place in Clarksburg? It's called the Clarksburg Tavern. Okay. Right along 355.

Yeah, right. 355 extended way out there. Yeah. Yes. And then after that, we went to speaking in a movie, we went to the movie because it was a rainy, lousy day Saturday. Yeah. We went to see Cocaine Bear. What's that?

I'm not familiar. It's a movie based on a true story. about some cocaine that got dropped from an airplane many years ago, I guess maybe the 70s or 80s or whatever, and a bear got into it. Okay, that's pretty much, I think, the extent of the true story. Okay. And so what happened?

So after that, the whole movie is about how the bear becomes this, you know, this Coke fiend and wrecks havoc and eating people and destroying everything. It's what you would call a dark comedy, so to speak. Just a high as a kite bear. Yes. And look, I didn't think it was that good. You know, some people loved it. It's different, that's for sure.

But the sad part is it's Ray Leone's last movie. Oh, right. You told me about this, that his last movie was coming out. Yeah, Cocaine Bear. I mean, they put in the end of the movie in Memorial memory of Ray Leota. If they really cared about his memory, they would have kept his name off the credits. Oh, it was that bad, huh? Well, just for a guy like Ray Leota, who, you know, I know his career had fallen on hard times,

but cocaine bear is your exit from this world. It's not that great. And so just, I wouldn't recommend it. It was a bad drop by, oh, God, Tom Cruise in that movie American Made. Who was he playing? What was the dude's name? Barry something. Barry, Barry Seal.

Good job, Tommy. There you go. Barry Seal, who was a drug runner for the Medellian gang and the whole operation. That's a great movie. That's a good movie. Cruz and American Made. Absolutely. Yeah, that gets lost in his really good movies, I think.

I don't think a lot of people know that. I mean, he got, you know, he then starts working for the CIA. He's running stuff for the contras. I mean, the whole thing was really good, and it's a true story. Or, you know, to a certain extent, it's a true story. All right, I have a question for you. We're going to get to basketball. We're going to get to the post story.

We're going to get to something that junkies reported this. warning about another bid, apparently, that was $7 billion. But I have a question for you that was asked of me just 20 minutes before the show started by a friend of mine. I was catching up with a friend. He's like, what do you think happens? So I'm going to ask you, what do you think happens if Sam Howell has a pretty good season and they win like eight games or nine games?

And they either are a seven seed and barely make the playoffs, or they've been. barely miss, but it's clear that Sam Hal there's something there. Like he's good enough. You know, he accounts for, you know, 21 touchdown passes, another five rushing touchdowns, six rushing touchdowns, 27 touchdowns on the year. The offense is much improved from where it's been. And, you know, it appears as if they may have something in Sam Howe. He said, do you think that new ownership would keep Ron Rivera for at least the final year of his deal and try

to see that one through. So I'll ask... Well, this is the trap. This is the trap. This is the trap that you don't want to be in. You know? You don't want the Redskins

slash commanders limited success to mean more than it has in the past. Okay? I think a lot of that would depend on who's available to hire as a coach. Well, it depends also on who ownership is and how they own a team. That's the most important thing.

Well, yeah, yes, it does. But I think any new owner is going to be inclined to clean house. And I think it's going to take a lot not to do that. And I think with the coaching situation, it really could. Like if you have another situation where somehow a Sean Payton is available again, well, he's not going to be next year. That caliber of coach is available to hire, then I think it really doesn't matter what Ron Rivera does.

You said something there. You said by definition, you said that, you know, it's a trap, that you don't want to get into thinking that it means more than it does. And I think by definition, if Sam Howell played well and there was promise at the quarterback position, it actually would mean more than the past. It would be completely different than the past, at least the very recent past, because you would have hope at quarterback. And you haven't had hope at quarterback in a while now. So that's... Okay.

Let's say that success gets attributed to Eric Bianami and his presence. Does he get hired as the new head coachman? Well, I mean, you know, it's kind of in hindsight the mistake they made by not just hiring Sean McVey when he was on the staff. I don't know. I didn't think about that part of it. So that's a good wrinkle. Like if Eric B. Enemy clearly got the credit for developing Sam Howell and the offense was so much better that, you know, they won nine games. And by the way, if the offense is so much better and it's totally obvious that they got the steel in the 2022 draft in Sam Hal, well, then they're going to win more than eight or nine because their defense is really good.

they'll win 10 and they'll be in the playoffs. I mean, what was posed to me was, what if it's just really, you know, this goes back to the 2019 season when Jay, you know, you and I were having the debate as to whether or not it would be better for Jay Gruden to just start Dwayne Haskins from the beginning. And if he wants to stick around, develop that relationship with Dwayne and develop Dwayne. And by the end of the 2019 season, even if you're six and ten, you will. won four out of your final seven and Dwayne looked like the real deal, then that was kind of Jay's ticket to stick around. He decided not to go with that, but he decided not to go with that

because I think they knew they had the wrong guy. Like there wasn't anything there that was ready to be played and competed with. So, if, yeah, okay. The enemy is a real wild card in this. You know? I mean, go ahead. No, it's true because last week when we talked about this, we talked about sort of the competing interests here. Like, is this year more important for Ron Rivera or Eric Bienemy? I think I suggested to you last week that it's more important for Eric Biener because Ron Rivera, he's not going to coach again when this thing ends here.

I don't think he is. that'll be it for Ron Rivera. I think he will have made enough money and I think, you know, he survived cancer and I think this is either his last year in coaching or 2024, the fifth year of this deal is his last year in coaching, unless he turns it all around. If Ron Rivera, if this season doesn't go well, Ron Rivera is done. If this season doesn't go well for Eric Bienimi, he'll never get a chance to be a head coach. This is a crucial year for Eric Bienemy. I would agree. I would agree.

And here's that he's such a wild card in this. I've never met Eric B. Anirre, you know, but from seeing him in a press conference and reading interviews with him, he's a pretty forceful personality. Definitely. You know? And I'll be interesting to see how that works on the staff as they move forward. You know, somebody's going to have to take a backseat.

There's not enough of that space available in probably in the coach's room. There's a limited amount of space. So somebody's going to have to lose their type A space to make room for Eric B. I doubt that Scott Turner was a type A kind of guy. Nope, I agree. Totally agree. They have a completely different personality in the room, no doubt. Yeah, yeah, so B'Anne, I mean, if they're successful, I think there'll be an inclination to give the credit to Eric Bianney,

and then there'd be a groundswell to hire the guy who, you know, the minority head coach, the guy who was passed over so many times before, that's a great story, you know? I mean, if that happens, I think Eric Bianney could be your next head coach. I also think the Eric B. Enemy thing, if we didn't talk about this last week already, is interesting from this perspective. Because this is such a crucial year for Eric B. Enemy, we both agree on that. Then he's going to play the guy that gives him the best chance to win and have his offense look good, which is why, and if my belief and information is correct, he's going to make the call on everything on the offense. And so if it's totally obvious over the summer into preseason games that Jacoby Brissette can run his offense and is ready to run his offense and they're ready to look good offensively with Brissette running the offense, it's going to be hard for him to play a guy that maybe he can make at the end of the year look like a guy that really developed him into something.

Yes. Yeah, look, I think, and this is like the Carson-Wentz-Tayor Heineke, thing. Not quite the same, but similar. I think Jacoby Percette will be their starting quarterback. I mean, his first game of season. That's such a Tommy move right there. I just don't think that, like I said before, if Jacoby Percette can't beat out Sam Howland training camp,

than Jacoby percent is in the quarterback we all think he is. Well, I don't know what we all think he is. I mean, I think he's not, you know, I think he's better than what they've had, but I don't think he's that good. No, no, but exactly. I agree with that. I think that with 78 NFL games under his belt,

including 48 starts or whatever like that, if he can't beat out Sam Howe, then he, He is a true journeyman. Yeah. All right. Here's the other thing that I wanted to ask you. This was something that came up on the radio show this morning, and we took calls on it for a little while.

So Cody Benjamin of CBS Sports wrote a story about 14 veteran players who could be traded before or during the upcoming 23 NFL draft. And one of those players was Montez. sweat. And he wrote, in an ideal world, sweat would build on a promising pass rushing resume to earn a mega extension in Washington. But the commanders are already paying top dollar to fellow D-Linman Duran Payne and Jonathan Allen, and Chase Young is also on board. With 29 sacks in five seasons and a career high 28 QB hits in 2022, he could fetch premium compensation potentially for a future quarterback splash, even entering a contract year. His departure would also save Washington

in immediate $11.5 million. So I asked the question of callers, would you trade either Chase Young or Montez-Suet and if so, which one? Before you answer that, I think it's really important to discuss why this is even a conversation. And it's really kind of a two-finding. old answer. One is you can't afford to pay all four of these guys, and we've known that for a while. One of them wasn't going to get paid. Number two is this. You don't want to get stuck with a compensatory pick for either one of these two guys as they leave you via unrestricted free agency. Wes Martin just apparently signed with the Cleveland Browns. Wes Martin's been here three out of the last four years.

Wes Martin was a fourth round draft choice in 2019 by the Redskins, along with Bryce Love, who was actually a player that day I predicted Washington would take because I had heard that they really liked him and was a big time running back at Stanford but was coming off serious injuries, which is why he slipped to the fourth round. And he never was able to regain, you know, function in that knee. And so those two picks in the fourth round. that year came after they traded a third rounder traded down in the draft to buffalo to get the additional fourth um and that third rounder was the compensatory pick for losing cousins so they ended up

with cousins gone getting west martin in bryce love so that's why you have to be ahead of these things. That's why when you have a hunch that you may not have a player, that you may lose a player to unrestricted free agency, you have to strike while the iron's hot and you've got to get more than what you would get in a compensatory pick. Washington, obviously, in 2017, they were stupid as they were and have been for a quarter century. They had an opportunity to trade Kirk Cousins after they realized that their offer wasn't going to be close to good enough, nor they should have known that going in, and that he wasn't going to take $35 million less to stay in this shithole of a place.

They should have traded him, and they had an opportunity to trade him to the San Francisco 49ers, for at the very least, number two overall in the first round, Jay Gruden claims it was more than that. Mike Shanahan told me it was number two overall. So they didn't do that and you ended up with West Martin and Bryce Love. You can't do that with Sweat and Chey Chung. You've got to be proactive when it comes to these two players. And if you know right now that it's too expensive to pay both of them,

well, now is the time to think about it. And I think that's what Cody Benjamin was going through the exercise doing. He's like, you can't keep all four of these guys and you just extended two of them. last two years. So what are you going to do? So I'll ask you, should you trade either one of them, and if so, which one? Boy, this is really a tough one. Because I'm not a huge Chase Young fan. I know. And, but, I mean, you've got to see him a little bit more coming back from this knee injury, I think, before you can make the judgment as to how he's going to perform. So when do you have to make this decision?

This is important. When do you have to decide? Well, right now Montes-Swed is scheduled to make $11.5 million playing on his fifth year option. Chase Young is going into his fourth year. He's under contract to get the fifth year option year, which would be 2024 for him. You've got to pick up that option by May 1st, right when the draft ends.

Well, they're not to pick up the option. Well, Ron Rivera already told you that he's contemplating, you know, hasn't made a decision on whether or not they'll pick up the option. Okay. Which I said, I told you at the time, I thought that was stupid to say that publicly, especially if there was a possibility you wanted to. The whole thing was stupid. You know, look, look what Duran Payne did. You know, he had to play good to get paid and he did. You know, the whole thing is ridiculous.

but when do you have to decide to trade these guys? Is it a trading deadline for next season for this coming season? No, well, you can trade people whenever, you know. I mean, the issue is you'd want to trade him before the draft so you could get compensation in this draft for him. No, I'm not trading either of those guys before the draft. Okay. I'm not doing that.

Well, then you go into next year, and both of these guys are playing for you. And if you didn't pick up the fifth year option, both of these guys would be eligible for unrestricted free agency at the end of the year where you would get nothing but a compensatory pick back. So let me... Right, well, I'm thinking you picked, you...

Yeah, but you picked up the option on sweat. On sweat you did, yes. Yes. Right. But you still have the option to sign him to a long-term deal. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, the guy you decide to move on from, the other guy's going to get paid to stay.

I think. Right. I mean, you know, like Ben said to me, Ben's the one that for two years has been saying, they can't pay all four of these guys. Eventually, one of them is not going to be here. And he's right. I'm pretty sure he's right.

And so Ben actually suggested, could they take a defensive end at number 16 in the draft? Well, the answer is, yeah, they could. If a pass rushing defensive end is the number one, player on their board at 16, they might take that player and then immediately trade like Montez Sweat for a second rounder. But let me just, let me give you my answer on this. So you know that I have questions about Chase Young because I know they have questions about Chase Young. So that's, you know, they're clearly not sure about Chase Young. And it goes beyond

the injury. You know, just, it's not necessarily character issues. One of my callers called and said, are you suggesting character issues? It's not that. It's not that he's a bad guy, but let's go back to after his rookie of the year defensive season. He didn't show up for one OTA day. Now, a lot of people say not a big deal, and to a certain extent, it's not that big of a deal. But for Ron Rivera, he had 89 of the 90 players that would go to training camp there for OTA. TAs and the one player that didn't show up for any of them was the player they had slapped the sea on his chest and that was Chase Young and they were pissed and then he had this season in 2021 before the injury where all we heard about was maturity and adhering to the scheme and playing

within the scheme and we know that a lot of that was directed towards Chase Young then he has this very serious injury not the run-of-the-mill ACL a lot of stuff is involved and he chooses to do his rehab in Colorado. Now, the team apparently was not happy about that, but apparently the rehab went well. And we know from that report card that the team got that, you know, it's totally within Chase Young's right and it may have been the right decision for him not to rehab here and to rehab elsewhere. You know, they didn't get high marks here in town for almost anything, training in particular. So I think that the Chase Young, Ron Rivera-Jack-Dell Rio relationship is the most important thing here.

And I don't know if they've made up their mind that this guy is somebody they want to move on from, that they don't believe in anymore. And I'm going beyond the injury. And by the way, I'm taking the injury into consideration because I don't know, he looked healthy to me at the end of the year. I actually thought he showed similar explosive athleticism at the end of the year. But if they really aren't going to pick up the fifth year option because they aren't sure that he's going to be worth what they spent on him, number two overall, then they should trade him right now. Now, I don't know what you can get back for Chase Young coming off that injury. I don't know if you can get a first rounder back for him, you know.

And so that would be part of the calculus here, just like it would be with sweat as well. But, you know, the one thing, Tommy, and I know that there haven't been a lot of compliments towards Ron Rivera here in recent months or even recent years. But the one thing that he has done, okay, or focused on more than anything else, is that he doesn't want to coach children. He wants mature adults in his locker room. And I do think, and I know I've said this before, but I think he gets credit for a locker room that's a lot of. different than the locker rooms of the past. You know, there is a more mature type of player. There are more mature leaders on this team. And if they don't think that Chase Young is a true adult that's coachable, then, and they don't think it's going to change, then they should move on

from him now. I think Montes Sweets a good player. I wish he had more sacks. I wish he had a couple of double-digit sacks seasons in his last, you know, in his third and fourth year. And Instead of eight and nine sacks, I wish it was 13 and 14. But I still think he's a good player. I think he's outstanding against the run. I think he can be disruptive at times as a pass rusher. I think he's a good player. And not that he's at Duran Payne's level, because I said about Duran Payne,

if you have a great player and he's one of the three best players on your roster, you keep them, period. And I think Montez Sweat has the, you know, at times is certainly a top five, top six, top seven player on the team. on the team with a lot of potential to be much higher than that. I don't want to see Chase Young go. I want to see him fulfill the talent that we saw his rookie year and certainly what I and others saw

watching him as a college player. But you cannot afford to get a compensatory pick for either one of these players. Okay. Here's what might come into play. And it normally does. who is Chase Young's guy? Who drafted him? Who has their reputation staked on Chase Young in part?

Rivera. I mean, Ron, yeah, Ron didn't draft Montez Sweat. Nope. That's the previous regime. Right. Okay? This was Ron's first big draft pick, number two, in the draft. And if they trade him, he's admitting they screwed up.

The biggest, one of the biggest personnel decisions they had to make and they got it wrong. Guys generally don't like to do that. They usually will stick with and protect the people that they drafted and selected. That's why I don't think Chase Young's going anywhere, no matter how frustrated they are with him. Well, then you think they'll pick up his fifth-year option. Yes.

Because in many ways, if you don't pick up his fifth-year option, it's also an admission that you fucked it up in 2020. Yes. I don't think that's, I think they're going to pick up the option. I'm not sure they're going to pick up the option, but if you told me I had to wager on it today, I'd say they probably pick up the option, which means that Montez Sweat would be the one

that they probably, if they made a trade, would look to trade him. But he's the one that I actually think they enjoy coaching, along with Tehran and John. And by the way, I understand, the mindset of not admitting you're wrong and a big thing like that, like that's a really big thing.

But the best coaches are the ones that are capable of admitting that they got it wrong and cutting bait much sooner in trying to get the most back for it. Rather than sitting there and being saddled with something that you know now won't work to try to save face.

So if they really don't think it will work with him, here anyway, then they should look at trading him. But I also think it's, you know, a little bit complex because you don't really know what you could get back for him because of the injury and because you went out publicly and said he needs to be basically incentivized with a contract year to play well. And you might not pick up his fifth year option. I also want to just reiterate what I said last week. There is something that makes sense if they're not sure about Chase Young about not picking up the option because they would always at the end of next season have the option of franchising him if they wanted to go that route if he blew up and had a huge fourth season.

By the way, imagine that. He's entering his fourth season already. Montez Sweat is entering his fifth season. I loved sweat coming out in that draft. I like Sweat the player. I really do. One last thing, and then we're going to get to the post story and something the junkies reported and we'll talk some hoops as well.

In the updated post, you know, first few weeks of free agency, NFL power rankings on ESPN.com, Washington drops from 18 to 22. And so just to give you an idea, in the NFC East, the Eagles were four, the Cowboys were eight, and the Giants were 18. Washington's the 10th best NFC team. I mean, these things don't mean anything, I understand.

But if, you know, this is going to give you a sense of where Washington, they're going to be universally picked dead last in the NFC East going into this season. And no one's going to have them. Even in a very weakened overall NFC, I don't see anybody really having them as a predicted wild card team. Now, some people out there like Sam Howe a lot, and they may say Washington can be the surprise team.

And others, by the way, like Jacoby Preset. Top of the top under the radar move for Washington in the offseason signing Jacoby Brissette. They did a good job with that one. Gives them some ability to be a competitive team if Sam Hal is in the guy. Speaking of quarterback, there's news that's breaking right now.

Lamar Jackson on his Twitter account basically about less than an hour ago tweeted in regards to my future plans, as of March 2nd, I requested a trade from the Ravens organization for which the Ravens have not been interested in meeting my value. Any and everyone that's met me or been around me knows I love the game of football, and my dream is to help a team. So he said, and I don't think this has been reported, that he's asked for a trade. I mean

You know What Schaeftor reported a few weeks ago That the Ravens had offered $175 million guaranteed for injury 200 million in total guarantees You know

Not that When you see that 175 guaranteed for injury Is what's really guaranteed I don't know how he turned that down I don't know that anybody's going to get close to that, Tommy. And to trade for him, you're going to have to pay for him. Well, yeah, now he's, it sounds to me like, look, he's already been franchised.

And he got franchised with the non-exclusive, which by definition means the Ravens are okay with teams coming after you and making an offer. Okay, so in essence, that's the trade, the two first rounders for whatever, you. you'd sign an offer sheet for if you sign it. But no one's come forward with an offer sheet. So no one's going to come forward to trade for him until he gets reasonable about the deal that he wants. And he's able to negotiate with whomever it is, himself or his mother, but apparently you've got to have a certified NFL agent.

You can't have old Ken Francis or whatever the guy's name is out there looking for deals. which is what we heard last week, too. So far, we are a week and a half or whatever into this, and he's not had one offer sheet presented to him. That's been reported. So he can publicly come out and demand a trade or request to trade, which is the breaking news. But basically, the Ravens have invited another team

to come in and give him his price, and nobody has yet. And as of now, if he wants to play football next year, he's going to have to play for the Baltimore Ravens at 30. $72.4 million under the non-exclusive franchise tag. Or he's going to have to sign a deal that they offer because nobody else seems willing to make him an offer. That story keeps getting crazier and crazier, for sure. Yes.

Okay. We got other football to get to and basketball to get to, and we'll start that process right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelly's. Well, one thing I haven't discussed about Shelly's, if you're a cigar, aficionado, are the private humadors that they have available for annual leases. They have over 200 humidors available for leases.

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Shelley's backroom, 1331 F Street Northwest in the district. Great spot, and I'm sure it's a perfect spot, by the way, if you only have maybe not even today, maybe the cherry blossoms are done now. But if you're down, you know, in traffic with people getting out taking pictures of the cherry blossoms, just get on the other side of the road and take an Uber to Shelleys and have your wife drive through the traffic, because that's what Tommy would do. All right, there was a story this morning in the Washington Post.

Daniel Snyder has declined to be interviewed in the Mary Joe White investigation, and that she has tried to interview him, but he has declined interviewing for that investigation, which may be one of the reasons the investigation is still ongoing. Who knows? By the way, I pulled this up, Tommy, from a year ago because we were talking about this last week that the Mary Joe White investigation is 13 months old. When I pulled up the story last week to read about the day that the NFL took the investigation away from Washington who initially wanted to do the investigation. I wanted to find out how long this investigation has been going on.

It's 13 months going back to February 18th of 2022. but in that story when the NFL announced that Mary Joe White was going to investigate the Tiffany Johnston allegations, there was this from the team, the team's statement. The Washington commanders are pleased that the NFL has appointed Mary Joe White to look into the recent allegations made by Tiffany Johnston. The commanders have always been intent on having a full and fair investigation of this matter conducted, and to releasing the results of that investigation. Given the team's confidence in Ms. White's ability to conduct such a full and fair investigation, the commanders will not separately pursue an investigation and will cooperate fully with Ms. White.

So here we are today with the post reporting that he's declined to talk to Mary Joe White. Now let me just tell you that Neil and Rockville this morning had a really plausible reason for why he's declined. declining once the financial allegations became a part of the Mary Joe White investigation and a criminal complaint was filed in the Eastern District of Virginia. At that point for all intents and purposes, he could potentially incriminate himself in a criminal case by speaking to Mary Joe White. And he thinks, and by the way, Neil's been telling me for a while now, especially after that Eastern District case, that no way will Snyder, Snyder's lawyers let him talk to Mary Jo White if he's if he hasn't talked to her already so that may be a

legitimate reason for him not talking to her but anyway that was the story this morning in the post what did you think well that makes sense that makes sense if he has uh you know criminal liability hanging over his head uh in in a in this particular situation then uh I could certainly understand why he doesn't want to talk to Mary Joe White. But, again, this is, you know, I mean, the NFL can't interview one of its owners because he may incriminate himself. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Because you can't plead the fifth. That says everything about this. You can't plead the fifth in a criminal investigation if you've already talked to Mary Joe White about these same. issues. So that's, well, the NFL has pledged that they would make those, that, that, that, that investigation public. Right. Right. And now, and now what we're headed towards perhaps is, by the way, let's not, let's not forget that maybe the NFL, you know, promised to make, well, you know, Goodell's kind of been promising all along, even after the Jason Friedman allegations. But, you know, those Jason Friedman allegations might expose the NFL for something, too. Who knows? But,

The point is here is if she doesn't interview Dan, I mean, how much of a complete investigation can it be? What will she release? At that point, I mean, I don't know. It's maybe if the team is sold, maybe if the team is sold, the league just says, well, it's no longer relevant. He's not an owner in the league. We promise to make the findings of that Mary Joe White investigation transparent. and make them available to everybody because Dan was an owner in the league. He's not an owner in the league anymore.

Maybe the single biggest reason they're just holding telling her not to finish this thing and not to conclude the investigation, along with not being able to interview him. You know, given the NFL's history, I would bet there's no way, you know, given their lack of sympathy towards victims, there's no way the NFL is going to say, well, even though Dan has sold the team, we feel obliged to the very. victims to go ahead and continue with this investigation. That's not going to happen. They're not doing that.

Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if Mary Joe White, though, went into this thing, maybe unlike Beth Wilkinson and only took the gig based on an agreement that her results would be made public. Well, you know, she investigated Jerry Richardson. Right. in that thing. And one of her recommendations that was reported, I think, by Yahoo Sports was that she recommended to Goodell that the NDAs, when these kinds of investigations occur, they need to be waived.

Right. And that needs to be a league rule. Well, that didn't happen. So Goodell already did not file her recommendations from her last investigation into an NFL only. owner. And she may not be happy about that, you know, that she was ignored the first time around. I wonder if Snyder, and I think, did I ask Neil this? I forget this morning. I wonder if Snyder can just, you know, be interviewed by her for just the Tiffany Johnston allegations and nothing related to Jason Friedman and his allegations. Well, they can't force them to answer. No, but he

was willing from the very jump. Remember, when they took this invest, when they took the investigation over or initiated the investigation with Deborah Wong or whoever was, you know, who they were going to hire to do the investigation until the league took it back, you know, an hour and a half after they made that announcement, that the first promise was we will fully cooperate, and we will make the findings of this particular allegation public. Because I think they knew from the beginning, either A, they weren't true or B, they were impossible to prove. Well, you see, I don't agree with you. I know you do.

There's a witness. The witness is Jason Friedman who's lied under oath previously. And that's also he said, he said. All this, no, the whole thing, the Virginia Attorney General, the Maryland Attorney General, the District Attorney General, all that exists because of Jason Freeman's allegations. that. That's not what we're talking about. They paid a quarter million fine to the state of Maryland because of those allegations. By the way, let me make clear he was not a witness to the Tiffany Johnson allegation number one about the hand over on the thigh. He was a, he was a witness to the coerce coercing her or cajoling her into his limousine. That's what he claims he saw. Yeah. So there is a

witness, and there's a witness whose testimony so far has created this whole shitstorm. Yeah, started by the House Oversight and Reform Committee. Yes. I'm just saying that the Tiffany Johnston allegation was an allegation that from the jump, they felt very comfortable that it was either not provable or that he was innocent. And by the way, I thought you were going to say the following, that you are going to say it doesn't really matter. You know, I don't agree with you, Kevin, because Mary Jo White can still state in her conclusion that while there isn't proof,

she believes the alleged victim. Well, of course she can. Yes. That has been the way things have gone with these kind of cases in the past five or six years. You can do that. But you can't lose your team for that. You can't?

No. No. You can't lose your team without proof that you actually committed the crime. I think you can lose your team if the conclusion of the report is that he did it. Yeah. No, no, the conclusion of the report with proof that he did it, yes. But in opinion that she believes the alleged victim, no, he couldn't lose his team for that. Oh, I think I think.

And we've already had reports here in recent days that there isn't even three quarters vote right now to vote him out. after everything else. Look, this is early in the process. You know? They don't even have, I mean, he hasn't even been interviewed yet. Yeah, he, well,

we're never going to find this out. If she concludes, if she concludes that she believes that he did this, they can take the team away from them. I disagree. They can take the team away from them for what's than that. Oh,

I disagree with you completely. That is, that's such a he said, she said, regardless of an. investigator who comes to the conclusion that she believes the alleged victim without proof. There's no way they could take away his team. If he vehemently denied that they ever happened, despite the conclusion of an investigation

with an opinion without proof, no way. I don't believe that. Oh, I think absolutely could. Well, give me an example when that's happened. We don't have an example in the NFL because no owner's ever been voted out. We've talked about this from the beginning. that it would take real, real damage to the league. It would take a real serious allegation that's proven to get an NFL owner ousted.

No owner's ever been voted out. They've never taken a vote on an owner. And the reporting here recently is that with everything that's been going on with this, that they still don't have three quarters of a vote. No, they don't. But I would say it's still early. in that process to build a case. First, you have to have an owner be willing to make the charge in the first place to remove him.

Then there's got to be an investigation into that. It's a lazy process. To vote an owner out. Yes. So when you say we're early in the process, we're early in the process of voting him out if he chooses not to sell. Yes. Okay. Just want to be clear on that.

Hopefully, God help us. If we get to the point where he chooses not to sell, and then we're into this long process of them trying to vote him out. But if they do, if we ever get to that, which I don't think we ever will, I don't think that they will vote him out based on a Mary Joe White investigation that produces only, and by the way, let's just say that he's exonerated of everything else, the financial implications, everything else. And it just comes down to didn't have any proof that he put his hand on her thigh,

or that he could joled her into the limousine. But I think that I believe her. No chance he would ever get voted out for that, in my opinion. Yeah, I know that. But you presented worst case scenario, and since the financial... Or worst case scenario for me. We want him to sell.

Are likely going to be proven that that scenario is not going to happen. Yeah, but we're not talking about that. You're saying that he would get voted out for... You're saying if they found out nothing else about the investigation was accurate. Well, I'm saying that's very unlikely. I know that.

I'm just trying to separate what you were saying. You were saying that he could be, like, if none of this other stuff happened, and it was just Tiffany Johnston's allegations, and they were investigated, and by the way, no other issues at all with Dan. And we came down to Tiffany Johnston says that he put his hand on her thigh underneath a table at a dinner table and then tried to coerce her into his limousine.

And Mary Joe White said, I don't have proof that that happened, but I do believe Tiffany Johnston. That's my opinion. I believe Tiffany Johnson. If that was the only thing, I do not think that he could get voted out for that, and you think he could. Well, I think, again,

his credibility is zero. Yeah, but again, you, I'm trying to separate all that because you seemed adamant. But you seemed adamant that he could absolutely be voted out for just her opinion if that was a standalone item. By the way, no, I didn't say it was a standalone item. Okay.

All right. Now it's not standalone. You can't keep saying that. Okay. Do you want, I mean, I, every other show, I keep going back and I slip in all the things you say you didn't say at the end of the segment that you did say. Like, what was the other one? You said, I can't even remember.

Well, no, you said, of course, in a miracle. investigation. You said, of course, he could be voted out. This owner. This owner. All right. Fine. That's fine. Let me just also make clear. The part that would be upsetting to me would be that we got to this point and he didn't sell the team. Because this is really hopefully a conversation that is here on this show today and we never have to have again because he sells the team in the next week or two. because if he doesn't sell the team in the next week or two, well, then, you know, like you said, we are probably in for a lengthy process to see whether or not they would be able to conjure up three quarters of a vote for any of this stuff to get him out.

Well, he's got buyers lining up to buy his team, so that should happen pretty quickly. Apparently so. So let's get to that. The junkies this morning, and let me make sure I get this right, the junkies this morning reported, because my producer Denton told me during a break towards the end of the show, that the junkies reported that Brian Davis, we'll tell you who he is in a moment,

Brian Davis made an offer of $7 billion to Dan Snyder to buy the team. Now, Brian Davis, my first question to him during the break is, who's Brian Davis? And he said, I think he played college. And I said, that Brian Davis? The Duke, Brian Davis? The Brian Davis that was Christian Leitner's best friend. They've been in business together. And I said, I think I sat on the air.

And I didn't, this was not meant to be, you know, I just didn't know. I thought they owned a piece of the women's soccer team in town, the spirit, I think they're called. but as it turns out, they own a piece of the DC United. Apparently, Brian Davis has had some success in business, not billions worth of success, but some success in business. And I just said, well, how can he afford the team? Now, apparently they said he's put together a group of billionaires to buy the team. By the way, Tommy, I was thinking about this after my radio show this morning.

If this is true, okay, which seems like a stretch to me that Brian Davis could put together a group, to make an offer of $7 billion. But maybe you're going to be right about Jordan because maybe Jordan and Leitner, and remember Leitner was here when Jordan owned the team. And I was also thinking about, and I didn't ask you this last week, Jordan growing up in the Carolinas,

do you think he was a Redskins fan? May have been. So, I mean, I was the only football team between there and Atlanta. Right. Well, I mean, we have so many Carolinas. Carolina, listeners to this podcast right now. Yeah.

So, anyway, I don't, this was a name that completely came out of. If you Google Brian Davis, you're going to find the only stories you come up with are court, lawyers, and lawsuits. Right, dude. What did he do? Those are going to be the three key words. Didn't he and Leitner get accused of defrauding people at some point? Well, here's the headline of a 2012 story. Ex-Timperwolves, Wightner, Davis, again, avoid jail time over Dawkins' debt.

You don't want jail time to be in a headline about yourself. You know, I mean, he at one point tried to buy the Memphis Grizzlies, and, you know, that turned out to be a disaster, and Scotty Pippen, suit. Davis after a bid to buy the Grizzlies imploded because they didn't have the money. Pippin helped finance the bid but never got

his money back. And a judge ruled at one point that they owed Pippin two and a half million dollars. When was this story written? 2006, I think. This was 2000. This was

2012. Okay. Written in the Wall Street Journal. But they've been articles as late back as 2016, 2019 about their financial problems and debts and lawsuits. I find this incredulous and highly suspect. Well, one thing that you've shed some light on, because I'm now looking at a story from

October 1st, 2006, former Duke basketball player, Brian Davis, has reached an agreement to purchase Michael Heisley's 70% majority share of the Memphis Grizzlies. the source told the newspaper that the contract to sell the Grizzlies estimates the teams value. I didn't even realize like he was playing in these kinds of circles. I mean, that's back in 2006. Maybe he has a massive investor group capable of making a legitimate offer. Because one of the first things I thought of was, well, maybe he's a part of the Harris offer. You know, maybe he's a new ad to the Harris offer, like him and a bunch of limited partners.

but you're right. Eventually, they didn't get the Grizzlies because they couldn't come up with the money to buy it. Here's the 2016 report. According to a former business partner who filed a claim in a lawsuit, the real estate company owned by Latelyner and Davis is a house of cards built on self-dealing and empty promises. This is 2016. I mean, can you imagine billionaires doing their due diligence and lying up to do business with this guy? I'd be shocked.

Well, beyond that, would he even be approved as, you know, as even a limited partner in the offer? By the league, I'm saying. Yes. Yeah. I don't know, the guy the guy from flying J owns the Browns. I forget if he bought.

You're right. You're right. He was almost put in federal jail. The people who worked for him were. Yeah. Here's something. God, there's a lot in here. January 27th, 2016,

this is probably the one that you just read. Yeah. Leitner and Brian Davis's real estate company built on a house of cards. Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't know anything about Brian Davis. You know. I don't know anything about Brian Davis either, except what I read on the Internet, Hunt.

And it don't look good. So a lot of you, and I've seen it, and it's legitimate to say you kind of intimated that this thing was going to be over much sooner rather than later, like it was imminent. And Tommy had heard some of the same things, and a lot of people had been reporting it. But I mentioned it last week. Look, here's what I was told over the weekend, all right? that the Gasparino tweets, Tommy, did I read those with you on Thursday, or was that a Friday thing? The Charles Gasparino stuff about Bezos. No, we did that together on Thursday. When Gasparino tweeted out on Thursday that Dan was now open to, you know, allowing Bezos to bid on the team.

And they've communicated that to Bezos. And they've never had a problem with Bezos. And, oh, by the way, the owners aren't forcing Dan out. know, the last part of that is just, you know, him trying to whip his you know what's out to say, hey, this is my decision. They're not pushing me out. They can't push me out. This is my decision to sell. And I'm fine with Bezos, but like I said to you the other day, this just reeks of trying to go back to Josh Harris to say,

you better get to the $6 billion number or Bezos is going to come in. Or it's that Harris and company can't get to the $6 billion number, and Bezos is the only one that can. And I think, like what I learned from over the. weekend is that everybody still feels it's Harris. It's Harris for something a little bit less than six billion and it's going to happen sooner rather than later in terms of the announcement of this, you know, letter of intent, term sheet, you know, exclusive period of negotiating whatever while the lawyers in the league approves it the whole thing. But that Dan's trying to, you know, as I had somebody texted me the other day, it's Dan being Dan and basically trying to come back in

say, nah, I need a little bit more. I need more than this. You're going to have to go out and find more investors and get me up to the $6 billion number. And so, you know, again, and Tommy and I talked about this the other day. I don't even know if really anybody is on top of the story in real time or if what we're getting is like a week after the fact, like with the Apostolopolis guy. I whiffed on that. Apostolopolis. With that guy, whether or not that was a three week ago or two week ago or two month ago visit. I can tell you that I think that this guy Apostolopoulos visited the facility and then said, nah, probably not for me.

That's my guess on that, but I don't know for sure. And who knows, maybe Dan in that recent post story where he's been telling the league, I got lots of investors and you're going to love them and it's going to be a great price, maybe he really does have all these people. All right. Let's, did you watch any of the basketball this weekend? Absolutely. I love that Miami, uh, who did they play? They came back to beat Texas yesterday. Yes. That's what that team. I love that game. I watched that. All right. Good.

I mean, and you know what I loved about that game? What? Did they have a three point? Miami didn't have a three point or the entire second half. Nope, they didn't. They only came back from 13 down without making a three-pointer. That is true. That's why I love that game. All right, we got to get to the first game of the day where there was a very controversial call at the end. We'll get to the final four and a bit more when we come back after these words from a few

of our sponsors. San Diego State looking for the win. Butler, get it in. A rope, hands it. Two Tremel. Three seconds. Two seconds. Tremel drives. That was the final shot attempt for San Diego State. controversial foul called on that play. Two really good games yesterday.

San Diego State, Creighton, Miami, and Texas. The games on Saturday, you had the blowout of Yukon over Gonzaga. Florida Atlantic Kansas State game was great. I'm not sure why that Kansas State's point guard gave up the ball there at the end of the game. Marquis de Noelle rather than trying to create a shot for himself. But that was a terrific game. I gave out Florida Atlantic and I gave out Creighton. So I was one in one in the Elite 8 games.

15 and 12 overall in the smell test. Not great, but you didn't lose any money betting with me in this tournament. We still got three games left. I want to go to the games yesterday because they're the ones that we watched yesterday and it included a very controversial call in the first game and then Jim Laronagin, Miami rallying in the second game. So let me give you my opinion on the final foul call on Nempard against Tremel. 6.7 seconds left.

Tremel beats Nempard. He's able to turn the corner. He gets into a floater position. And Nempart clearly has his hand on Tremel's hip, pushing, pulling, grabbing. I think personally, it probably impacted the shot a little bit. The floater was short. it missed. If no foul's called, the game's going to overtime. The foul was called, and Tremel made the second of two free throws. By the way, bad job by Doug McDermott, the coach of Creighton, who I like. But he called his last time out before the first free throw.

That was a bad move. If he had missed, if he had made the first free throw, he then would have intentionally missed the second one, and Creighton would have been forced to just heave one from 90, you know, 80 feet rather than having a timeout left. But beyond that. So here's my take on this. this, Tommy. I just, remember we had this conversation about the Super Bowl at the end between Kansas City and Philadelphia? And I said, look, all coaches and players want more than anything else is they want the calls to go their way. But beyond that, they want it to be called consistently. So if you're calling something early in a game, there's an expectation that it'll be called at the end of a game. If you're not calling something early in the game or throughout the game, there should be the expectation that they're going to let you get away with it at the end of the game.

And this game was a very physical game where the physical play and the contact was allowed throughout the game. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that it's a terrible call because you don't decide a game that way. I don't believe that. I believe that if the call was made throughout the game, then make the call. but this was a game in which just 22 fouls were called, and only 17 free throws were shot.

In fact, San Diego State had just six free throw attempts in the game, including the final two. They were three for four before that. In a game that was knocked down, drag-out, physical start-to-finish, they let them play all game long, and then they blew a whistle on what was, more in line with kind of a touch foul, a foul literally, but not a foul that had been called throughout the game consistently. So I don't think it should have been called for that reason.

I also had Creighton laying two and a half, so I won it overtime. So I understand my lack of objectivity, but really and truly, it's the way I felt at the end of the Kansas City, Philadelphia Super Bowl, and it's the way I felt last night. That was a game where they let people bleed. And by the way, there were close-ups multiple times of blood on elbows, on knees. Nempard had his wrist, you know, ripped from him, and it wasn't called. So I just didn't think that with the game, the way it was called, that Nempard had, you know, an expectation that this was a game where they were letting him play. And it wasn't like he hacked him, okay?

There was a little bit of contact with a push and a shove and a hand on the hip. That's my take on it. What's yours? Well, you do think it's possible. It could have affected the shot, right? I do think so, but I think a lot of shots were affected in that game and fouls weren't called. Well, this is one they saw. Look, this whole ridiculous argument, I think, is, you know, I understand the idea of arguing when a foul happens and it's missed by the referees.

but when a foul happens and they call it and that people argue they shouldn't have called it, it's kind of ridiculous to me, especially this. This was as clear as any foul. I mean, we've seen a weight that's been controversial. I mean, I think this is ridiculous. I think you've got to make that call.

I think it was a foul, too, but I don't think it should have been called because it hadn't been called all game. Well, I don't know if there was a particular situation like that. When you're up in the air and somebody shoves you, I think it's a foul. I don't think he got shoved. I wouldn't describe it as a shove. How's nuts?

I think nudged is better than shoved. As a precise shooter like you are, you know, any little thing. That's why I'm saying. That's why I'm saying. I think his floater, you could see that the nudge, the prod, the little poke that he was kind of moved a little bit. Now, let me just tell you, I don't know that he would have made that if there hadn't been contact, but I think it affected the shot.

I do. I think it did. But again, they let people bludgeon each other, bludgeon each other throughout the game without calling fouls, which is why, by the way, Creighton had a foul to give, you know, on the play before that. They gave the foul, which they gave it a little. little bit too early with 6.7 seconds left. But it's why they still had a foul to give. I mean, you had very few fouls called. Teams weren't in the one-in-one or in the bonus. And it just,

to me, that can't be called when you've called the game the way you've called it all game long. If you've called the game close and there are, you know, 40 fouls in the game and they're already 38 free throw shot in the game and you've set the table for you grab anybody, you nudge anybody, you know, you touch anybody. We're going to call it. But that's not what the expectation was in that basketball. You've been on the court in situations like that. You know that if they had been calling that the whole game, there's no way that player says, well, I better not touch them. They're going to call it out. Absolutely. He's all bullshit. What are you talking about? He's doing that no matter why. When you're playing in a game, you know how the game's being

officiated and whether or not you can get close and you can hand-check and you can... Not with seconds left. It's all desperation at that point. Well, yeah, but you, I mean, if anything, regardless of how the game's being called, the last thing you want to do is even put yourself into a position where something could be called. So I don't agree with you on that. I think that he got beat. Let me just say, he got beat when Tramel turned the corner.

on him. And by the way, I thought Nempard was not very good yesterday. And I thought the defense on him just wore him down, which is why at the end of that game, he couldn't stay in front of Tremel. He turned the corner. He got into the lane for a good look for a game winner, no doubt. And by the way, yeah, at that point, you're like, oh, fuck, I got beat. But you also don't want to foul him. You just kind of, you're kind of hoping he misses at that point. But I think players are absolutely aware when they're playing of how a game's being officiated. There's no doubt, and I think coaches are also aware of that, too. Coaches are. I think at that point, it's desperation time for the player.

Well, you would know. I don't think he's sitting there thinking. You would know. You played for the Knicks. You would know. That was a great game. You know, and then, by the way, they put the clock back on and they had all the, God, man, the replays in this tournament and that referees, can't we just get a group in New York It just whistles the, that just communicates the call to the referees and we get a quick whistle and a one-minute review and move on. It's been painful to watch some of these games. They clearly ruled at the end that the clock didn't start on time,

which is why they didn't give it three-tenths of a second and potentially give Creighton the ball back. We actually don't even know whether or not they determined if it was Creighton's ball or San Diego State's ball there at the end. The other game, look, I talked about not. with you. On Friday's show, I talked about Jim Laranaga, and I just said, I don't think I did this with you. I said, you know, when Laranaga left Mason to go to Miami, I think most of us just thought he's going down there to take a job for three or four years and then retire in South Florida. He was at the time 61 years old. He had taken Mason to the final four. He had had, you know, a great run at George Mason. His last year in 2011, they beat Villanova in the first round at a tournament.

And Tommy, I went on to tell everybody that, you know, did they've, that don't remember that period of time. It was like two out of three years where Jay Wright at Villanova either lost in the first round or didn't make it to the tournament. And every Villanova fan I know wanted him out. And then he goes on to win two national championships.

But anyway, oh, that's right. I had that conversation with Jeff Herman on Friday. Anyway, Laronaga left. And I thought that this was kind of a swan song. You know, three, four years, five years at Miami. impossible to win in the ACC at Miami in basketball. He's not going to, you know, it's not like he's going to all of a sudden rule the roost in the ACC, and then that'll be it.

Well, instead, he just finished his 12th year, fourth suite 16, second Elite 8, first trip to the final four. Jim Lareneg is a hell of a basketball coach. It's quite the run at Miami. Now, I know many of you have reached out to me to say, Sheehan, you haven't mentioned just the NIL money that's available at Miami. I know. I know how much NIL money Miami has. We saw it with the whole football thing, and they've got that big lawyer slash real estate guy. I forget the guy's name. And that, you know, they're paying some of their players really, really good money. But let me just suggest to all of you that Lernaga was doing this at Miami before NIL. They went to two sweet 16s in his first five years. They won the ACC regular season in his second year with that point guard, who I'm forgetting his name. quite a career this dude's put together.

And I think he's up against the juggernaut of the tournament in Yukon. But I kind of felt Texas was really good too. And it certainly looked that way as they had a 13-point lead. What a comeback by Miami. And as you pointed out, without shooting a three in the second half. Absolutely. You got anything else on that? I got nothing else.

Okay. Nothing else, boss. I just thought you might want to say something more about Jim Laranega. I like in the final four, I kind of like Florida Atlantic to make it to the final. I think that would be pretty cool, a Florida Atlantic Miami final. But San Diego State, man, they are nasty defensively. Really good. All right.

Are we done for the day? It sounds like you're ready to go. I know you have to be somewhere. Are we done? Do you have anything else to add to the conversation? I got nothing else for you today, boss. Zero, not a zip. All right.

You go do your thing and I'll talk to you on Wednesday. Okay. I'll be back tomorrow.