The Kevin Sheehan Show - No Terry For Mandatory Mini

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Kevin and Thom opened with Commanders' mandatory mini-camp and Terry McLaurin's expected no-show. The boys discussed the Baltimore Sun story on the messy exits of Kevin Willard and Damon Evans from Maryland back in March. They finished up with the "Catch of the Year" and a few television suggestions including "Your Friends & Neighbors" starring Jon Hamm.  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheon Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. The show's presenting sponsor, as always,

Window Nation. If you need new windows, call them at 86690 Nation or head to windownation. com. It's June 10th. It's the first day of Washington's mandatory mini-camp. And Tommy Paul writes

about Terry McLoran. He's under contract, honor the obligation. At this point, I'd cut him loose, find a trade, and move him. That's from Paul to open up

the show today. Paul wants Terry to honor the obligation, honor the contract, right through the end of it, which would be through the end of last year, and then talk about a new compensation plan. when he is not under contract anymore. Terry McClorn, I would say the lead story of Washington's mandatory minicamp.

He was a holdout today for mandatory minicamp. If he misses all three days, it'll cost him nearly $105,000 in fines. So you see, he's getting punished for not being there. Right, Paul. He's being punished for not being there. Yeah. Look, I don't understand why people get so upset. with how much these guys make.

I understand there's a component to team management, particularly in the NFL of salary cap and all that. But the commanders are not a salary cap-stressed team. It can certainly afford to pay Terry McLaurin the money that he's seeking. So I don't understand. And look, I know this is a different world, but I know in baseball, when you're in the last year of your contract, you know, if you're a player or a

or a manager, everything changes. Like for managers, their power gets diminished if they're in the last year of a contract without something beyond that. For players, there's no sense of security beyond that. And their teammates look at them that way. So this is the way it's done in all sports. the idea that, I mean, you know, for all intents and purposes, his contract is up now, not at the end of this year in some people's eyes, and they need to fix it.

Look, Paul, when, you know, an employer and an employee like each other, and they want to continue the relationship with one another, it's certainly not unusual for them to come up with a new compensation plan and structure before the existing one runs out. And in the NFL, as the employer, you don't want a really good player that you really like and want to keep around for the next several years to honor,

as you write, honor the obligation, as in to play it out, because then you risk losing that player. That player then is into free agency or you're forced to franchise tag him. It's just not the way it works. To your point, when you get to one more, year on a deal. That's when the discussions start if you like each other, if you want to be

together in the future. There are plenty of players that are playing on the final year of their deal that the team isn't sure they want beyond this coming season. And the players not sure that they want to be here beyond this season. But yeah, it's not the way it looks. Look, Dan Quinn spoke today before the mini camp day. And he was asked a couple of questions about Terry. He basically talked about, you know, the intersection, Tommy, of business and football. And then he played good cop, bad cop. And he kind of described, you know, look, the conversations that Terry and his agent are having are not with me. They're not with the locker room. And he said, the contentiousness doesn't have to be between Terry and me or

Terry in the locker room. I thought it was interesting. that he used that word, which is sort of an admission that that's where it is right now. I know that that's what was reported last week, but we weren't sure specifically, you know, whether or not that was 100% accurate. But he's not there. He didn't show up three years ago either. He missed mandatory minicamp, and the New Deal wasn't signed until the end of June. But he spoke about this contentiousness.

And, you know, because he was asked how he handles it, and he said, well, I communicate. I communicate with the player because. the negotiation is not between me and the player or his teammates in the player. It's between a whole other side, basically, of the building. And that's how he deals with these things. But in the explanation of that, he did use the word contentiousness, and maybe that's where, you know, it is right now, contentious. And, you know, doesn't mean that it won't get done.

In fact, I think all of these things at this point. T.J. Watt is in a contentious discussion with this. Steelers, Trey Hendrickson and Cincinnati. We got players all around the league that are missing mandatory minicamp, which just brings up one thing real quickly. Did you notice today, and maybe you didn't, because you don't pay attention until you jump on with me, I think every NFL team opened its mandatory minicamp today. I don't think the Ravens did. Oh, they didn't? No. Okay. There's a couple of teams that open next week. Okay. Because I I was wondering, did the...

I guess I was paying attention. Wasn't I a smart guy? Yes, you were. Because I was wondering, did the NFL just once again sort of schedule a period of time, three days or call it five, the day going in and the day exiting, where it's all NFL talk and all NFL headlines? Because in the past, many camps were not synced up. They were, you know, teams decided on their own when they would have a mandatory minicamp.

But you've cleared it up because you were paying attention. So there are a few teams that aren't. But there was a lot of NFL minicamp news today, which made me wonder, did everybody open up at the same time? And a lot of Terry McLaurin-like stories. Yes, exactly. Pittsburgh with T.J. Watt. Right.

I think I just mentioned that. Maddie, something we're very much paying attention to with Trey Hendrickson. Yeah, is there an echo in here? Yes, both of those. Yes. You know, I was talking about something today on radio that we can talk about right now. And that is what's interesting if you start really digging into their roster and their contracts, Washington's contracts I'm speaking of, you realize a couple of things. Number one, right now, Washington with the 90 players they have under contract for, you know, the offseason and the summer and the training camp before we get down to 53 in early September. The average age of Washington's 90 players under contract, oldest in the league, by a lot. average age is 27.7 years old.

Next oldest is Pittsburgh at 26.9 years old. Now, Pittsburgh has a 41-year-old Aaron Rogers under contract, and Washington has Zach Ertz, Bobby Wagner, and Tressway, all of whom really skew it older. A lot of teams may have one of those guys, you know, in their mid to late 30s, but not three of them, you know, on the same team. But, you know, that aside, what's really interesting to me is, and I talked about this a little bit yesterday, Tommy, Terry's the first big expenditure for this new ownership group. They didn't spend much on free agency last year.

They signed Sam Cosmi to an extension last year, but it was, you know, at signing $20 million in aggregate $42 million guaranteed. They signed Kinlaw this year. that was the biggest deal. They did, 30 million guaranteed, less than that at signing. This is the first big expenditure on a player. And, you know, I took this email yesterday and read it on the air and talked about it a little bit. This guy Carter C wrote me and said, he wrote the following. Is there any chance the team can't afford to sign Terry McLaurin? And then he had two winking emojis next to it.

I didn't know if this was somebody that actually might know something. And I just kind of went through $6 billion, not even two years ago, another $75 to $100 million in stadium improvements, just to get to the stadium to the point where it's not falling down on people. We know how hard it was to get that $6 billion together. We know that in Philadelphia, they had to scratch the plans for a new arena because it wasn't going to be. funded enough from outside ownership. And look, I don't know at all if this is true. I just thought it was interesting to sort of contemplate. Like I could see a situation in which they're a bit cash strapped. But this is the first big player investment. And then as you look at the roster,

you know, you're fortunately, you're still two years away from having to pay Jaden. Let's let's say it right now. sometime in January or February of 2027, Jaden Daniels will probably sign the largest contract in NFL history, and they'll have to pay it. They can't pay him before then. He's got to have three years in the league before you can talk about a contract negotiation. But when you look at the rest of the roster, you realize, man, they got so many one-year deals, so many one-year deals, and no big cash outlays, until this one on player. And the next one might come next year with Tunsell because he'll have a year left on his deal. And if Duran Payne has a big year, maybe they'll do something with him.

Doubtful. I think it'll probably go the way of John Allen. I hope it doesn't. But what do you make of just that conversation about this is the first player they really have to pay? And could they be trying to, you know, I think they can afford it, but there's a lot on their plate here, and there's been a lot on their plate. But like the mayor of Washington has said, basically, you know, this is not the time to get gold feet.

When you need money, you spend money to make money. Okay? and if I were Terry McCorn and his agent, I'd go down to the Wilson building in D.C. and meet with all the D.C. City Council members and say, hey, you know, they can't afford to pay me. What makes you guys think they're going to be able to build a stadium? That would be leveraged.

They have big expenditures coming down the road. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. I understand what you're saying. but, you know, I mean, again, part of the momentum of the new stadium that seems to be relatively unstoppable at this point. We'll find out if it is, is the fact that the team is good. And you want to keep that going, and you don't want to put at risk anything that puts that at risk. And not having your best receiver, your best offensive player besides your quarterback would put that,

at risk. So I don't care how financially cash-strapped they are. You know, get some sautty money in there. What you have to do. They can do that now. No, they can't. Can they? I forget. Did the NFL pass the rule allowing

foreign investment? I forget. I don't think so yet. Look, I'm with you. And I am not sitting here at all suggesting that I know anything in terms of their cash ability. I'm just saying that this player, it's the first big player investment they've had to make since taking over the franchise.

And there's been a lot of money spent and there's going to be a lot of money that they're going to have to put out in the coming years. But I also think more likely than not, the contention between the two is about age and where Terry really falls. the list of wide receivers. Like, does he want 33, 34, 35 million? That's a contract that's too rich and you don't want to set precedence. You want this guy. You need this guy. But this guy isn't going to be anywhere.

He's going to play for you in 2025 unless you take Paul's suggestion and try to move him, which isn't going to happen because he's under contract. And he can't sit out at 30 years old and not have a season of crew where he would then, you know, not be any closer to free agency. he has to play on that deal if they don't get a deal done. That's the worst case is that they don't come to an agreement and Terry plays 2025 on his current deal. So they're going to have them for this year.

I think still, I haven't changed my mind. They get a deal done between now and the beginning of camp. And he's here for, you know, the next three plus years under contract. I think so. I think this will get done. I mean, it doesn't, this would be, this would certainly. rock the boat of the Josh Harris ownership, good vibrations

that we felt. And combine that with the Dan Quinn Happy Camp that he runs. This would not fit into that whole atmosphere that's taking place. Sounds like you're rooting. Sounds like you're rooting for a column.

Well, no. I mean, basically, what we've read is, you know, players are fighting to try to come to play with Dan Quinn. You know, everybody's happy here. They are. They are. Josh Harris can't do anything wrong. Right. So this would not fit in with that scenario.

No, it wouldn't. Terry will get done. This from Allen. Alan writes about the French Open on Sunday. Kevin, the French Open yesterday, so he wrote this yesterday because he was talking about Sunday was the greatest grand slam final since Nadal Federer in 2008. I loved the five hours plus. Please don't apologize for talking about tennis. You do that with baseball hockey and the Wizards as well. Please stop apologizing for talking about these topics. It gets very boring hearing about phony NFL stories in June. Variety is the spice of life. Let's start hearing some

NBA draft talk. And it is baseball season now. I also had somebody tweet me the other day, and I'm looking for it right now. He said, so it really, it really makes sense to talk about Terry McClureen more than the NBA finals, and I just responded, yes. Yes, it does. It actually does. No, I did not invest five hours in 29 minutes into the French Open. I did watch the last hour, hour 15 minutes, something like that.

It was great. It was awesome. I love tennis. tennis a lot more than I do now. And we've been talking a lot about the NBA finals. They've been great. I mean, the Oklahoma City is going to win this series and they're going to go down as one of the greatest

defensive champions that we've ever seen. And, yeah, but NBA draft talk, maybe the day before and the day after, Tommy, or the day of in the day after. I think that we could get away with that. That's it, but that's it. Right there. That's your 48-hour window of NBA draft talk?

Right there. Yeah. Lastly, I wanted to read this because I got a lot of these, and I could pick and choose from several of them. This is from Redskins fan Wagner. Subject, the one-point safety rabbit hole you sent me down. Hi, Kevin, your one-point safety combo last week had me hooked. It sounded so wild and improbable.

I had to dig deeper. Has a team ever even lost 85 yards for a safety in a regular play? Turns out never. The longest recorded safety just 66 yards, and that came from Tommy, the infamous Jim Marshall wrong way run, where he scooped up a fumble and sprinted into his own end zone. Honestly, if anyone was going to give us an 85 yard or it was Jim Marshall, So the fact that this never happened in general play and would need to happen on a P.A. attempt, P.A.T. attempt for a one-point safety. That's football unicorn stuff. Thanks for the brainbender. Keep the weird scenarios coming. Love when you go deep on these. Didn't Jim Marshall just pass away?

Just passed away. Yeah. Part of the purple people eaters. Alan Page, Jim Marshall. I don't know. You know the rest of. Carl Eller. Carl Eller, right? And I think the other guy was Gary Larson, if I'm not mistaken. Okay. Keep in mind, Wagner, the person that sent this to me, the way this would happen would not be an 85-yard loss. It would be a change of possession within the play. It would be an interception that's going in the correct direction,

but then there's a loss of possession stripped fumbles, the guy that picks it up ends up trying to avoid tacklers and ends up getting tackled in his own end zone for maybe like an eight or a 10 or a 15 yard loss from where the change of possession happened. That would be the way it would happen if it were to ever happen. And it probably won't. Anyway, this back to Terry for just one moment because I did want to read this. came from our guy, Seth and Potomac. He writes, Kevin, Jaden's new deal will be backloaded when we get there. There shouldn't be a link to Terry's deal now. Yeah, I mean, keep in mind, I'm talking about cash, Seth. I'm talking about cash outlay. When they do a deal with Jaden in 2027, if they do a deal with Jaden in

27, how they structure it from a cap standpoint is immaterial to this conversation. It's how much cash they would have to come up with. And we're talking about, you know, somewhere well north of a hundred and, you know, we're probably talking about somewhere in the $100 to $150 million at that point when we get to Jayden's contract in terms of guaranteed money and, you know, guaranteed at signing all of that. How they would structure the deal, who knows. But that's what, there is no doubt that at some point during the season last year, Adam Peters said to somebody, we're going to have to pay him. We better start saving right now because we are three and a half years away from having to give this guy the biggest contract in NFL history. The odds favor that right now. I mean, he could get injured.

That's the only way I see this not happening because I don't see him end up, you know, not being good. Right. I would agree. All right. Anything else about mini-camp? Everybody else was there. Tunsel was there. Latimore was there. Latimore was there.

Full participant, Quinn said, no restrictions on Latimore. So there we go. Enough on that. I do want to talk to you about this Baltimore Sun story yesterday on Kevin Willard's breakup, Damon Evans' breakup with the University of Maryland. We'll get to that. We'll talk some NBA final. and more after these words from a few of our sponsors.

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Harry Geller, who was part of one of the NIL collectives to help fund the Maryland men's basketball team, quoted in this story in the second paragraph. Quote, you can quote me directly on this. This is what he always said to me. One of his quotes was, I've never seen a place that cares less about winning in basketball than this. From the first week I met him, he was unhappy. And then this is a story that goes on to talk about a very difficult relationship

between Kevin Willard and the athletic department, namely Damon Evans, the athletic director. So you just read it. I want to get your reaction to it, and then I'll give you mine. Well, it seems like the story of a pissing match between Kevin Willard and Damon Evans. Is it systematic of a bigger problem at Maryland? I can't really speak to that. You could argue that there's been a systematic problem at Maryland involving athletic directors.

since we could remember. Right. You know, it's gone on a long time, and certainly Evans didn't do anything to change that, if anything, he made it worse. And so, I mean, that's basically what it is. I don't know how much it affects Buzz Williams and the Maryland program may move moving forward,

which is really what everybody should probably be cared about at this point. Yeah, well, I'll start there. You know, this is kind of how I felt in the moment, which was glad all of this finally came to a head. Maybe Kevin Willard and Damon Evans in their so-called chaotic exits left the place in a better position than it was before for the person that would replace or the people that would replace them. and they have a new athletic director and they have a new head coach in Buzz Williams. And I think it probably is a healthier situation than it's been. Look, this story had a couple of reveals for me,

but a lot of it, just like in the moment, you know, back in March, when Kevin first brought to the attention of everybody paying attention that Damon Evans was going to leave and take the SMU job in that very long press conference where he kind of, disclosed probably a lot of things that people didn't want disclosed. A lot of this is, you know, not necessarily newsbreaking for those of us that have kind of understood what's been going on out there for a while. But there are a couple, I think, sort of key reveals. Number one is just that Kevin was unhappy right from the jump.

I know that Mark was unhappy for the majority of time that he was there working with Damon Evans. I didn't realize that it was literally week one where Kevin got here and probably wished he hadn't come. Number two is this, and I think this is really a critical part of the story. I've said, you know, going back to the moment in time, that this is a look in the mirror moment for Maryland, not taking Kevin off the hook for the way he handled the exit because I think he probably could have handled it better. I don't think he should have talked as much, not that it would have helped a lot,

but it would have helped a little bit. He came on the air with me and essentially said he was going to stay if he got everything he got. I don't know if that was totally truthful in the moment. He would have been better off not speaking. He would have still been killed by our fan base for leaving, but not in the same way.

But I think there's a really important part of this story because I very much believe this to be true. It's when Rick Jacklich, who's a big, you know, terrapin club guy, donor, you know, NIL guy, etc. He's quoted many times. He's a real estate agent out in college park and around that area. and he was quoted as saying that, quote, I wouldn't be surprised if Willard had a handshake deal with Villanova in February.

And then he says the following, which is kind of at odds with that first part of the statement. Now, quote, now, I think if Damon had been there, then Kevin would have gotten his contract finished and he'd still be at Maryland. He told me then he was hoping to have it done in the next couple of days. A week later, the rumors started coming out about Damon. Then Kevin had no one to negotiate with. There wasn't a commitment he thought he could count on, closed quote. Like with every breakup, Tommy, there's his side, her side, and the truth probably lies somewhere in between.

I really think that's what this is. You know, now some people, I would put myself into this, category of very much on the periphery, but having had a chance to sort of hear both sides out, I think that that's what this is. His side, his side, truth is somewhere in between. But I think what's really important for anybody that still has any interest left in this story is that Kevin Willard was very likely on the verge of signing a contract extension to stay at Maryland. Rick Jack Litch says as much. He says, I think if Damon had been there, Kevin would have gotten his contract finished and he'd still be at Maryland.

They were in the midst when Damon left, when the rumors started that Damon was leaving. They were in the midst of finalizing a new contract extension for Kevin Willard to stay there. So that's a little bit at odds that he had a handshake agreement with Villanova in February. Now, I guess both could be true. He could have had a handshake agreement with Villanova to say, look, if, my contract extension doesn't get done. If I don't end up getting what I need, then I'm going to seriously think about moving on at the end of this season. That's possible. But they were nearing a contract agreement. Now, you might say, well, how is that possible when Kevin, according to

the story, loathed Damon Evans? Well, it's a devil you know situation. The devil he knows in that situation was better than the one that he had no idea about, and that was who was he going to work for next? I'm not defending Kevin Willard, okay? Let me be clear on this. I think he could have handled it better. I also think the university had, and hopefully has learned from this incredible look-in-the-mirror moment, and things will be better because it was, you know, it was dysfunctional and had been, and this was the second good basketball coach that was saying, in essence, I don't want to be here. This place isn't good enough for me to want to stay here. And yet, it's also important to note that he was, if Damon Evans doesn't leave, or if he delays his exit,

until after the contract is signed, Kevin Willard's probably still at Maryland. He probably would have signed that deal. I believe that to be true. Doesn't change how the exit was handled and it was probably too much talking. But at the same time, I don't think that this was like done months before it got done. I think the discussion about the contract extension is real and accurate. Lastly, the other thing in this story is that Jacobi Gillespie, according to this story, he's not been paid the full amount of his NIL contract. And his father basically said when Willard left, they pretty much quit paying all the players. We're fighting that right now.

Yeah. And he said it kind of makes it look like Willard was right. Maybe they don't have the money. I don't know how that works when a player commits to leave to another school. This is where you've got to have contracts, man. You know, there wasn't an NIL contract, I guess. There was. but Maryland didn't have a general manager managing all of this.

They have one now. And, you know, it happens at the right time when they're going to have a salary cap with the new college pay-for-play thing that got passed late last week. And we'll see what happens. But this was, I think there was a lot of blame to go around on this. I'll leave it at that. That's all I got after everything else I said. Do you have anything else on this? You really think that he would not have jumped at the chance to go to Villanova,

even with a contract extension at Maryland available? I think this story spells out that they were in the midst of negotiating a long-term contract extension. And once Damon, once the rumors pop that Damon was going to leave, it threw it all into flux. and he was certainly, from my standpoint, from what I've been told, given a lot of what he wanted, but he couldn't be given who the new athletic director was, because that was going to be a process. But even though he and Damon couldn't stand each other necessarily, he was very much interested in signing a long-term contract extension, getting some of the things that he wanted to get and staying.

And if Damon had stayed through the contract signing, I think he'd be here under contract. I do. So is Maryland better off? Look, I think Kevin's a really good coach. I thought Mark was a really good coach. I think Buzz will be a really good coach. You know, they need to make sure that basketball has a chance to compete

for a national championship. not for, you know, fourth place, fifth place in the Big Ten and a seven seed. You know, they've got to give Maryland basketball, you know, the kind of emphasis that a basketball first school should get. And I think that's what Kevin was fighting for. And I think maybe Buzz is the beneficiary of what he was fighting for. We'll see. Okay. All right?

Yeah. Okay. We got a few other things we'll finish up with, including. a show that I binge watched over the weekend that I want to tell Tommy about. We'll do that after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, Tommy, tell us about Shelley's. Well, you know, I was at Shelley's backroom at 1331 F Street Northwest in the district yesterday afternoon. I was conducting D.C. Gray's business yesterday afternoon.

And you see, and I look around, and I see a lot of people in there. because I'm usually not there any afternoon, usually there on a weeknight, not a weekday afternoon. But there's a lot of business being conducted in there as well, you know. You know, people working on computers, people having discussions, serious discussions with other people. And they're doing this in the old-fashioned way of having a Stogey, something that you couldn't do at any workplace, maybe in America. But you can do it at Shelly's. you can make Shelly's backroom your office. Maybe the best office you'll ever have, certainly in the district.

Okay? You can find out more about Shelly's. Their fabulous menu of food, drink, and cigars, you know, the top 25 cigars named by Cigar Fishing Auto Magazine by going online at shelley's backroom.com. I'm going back to Shelly's tonight as well, two days in a row, because I'm going to an awards dinner tonight in the press club. Okay.

This is right across the street. What's the awards dinner? Well, it's this local chapter of the Society for Professional Journalists, and they have a journalism contest every year, and I'm a finalist for local columns. Wow. Did you tell me about this? I think you did. Yeah, I did, but you were in a dismissive mood today, that day.

I was. Okay. But at least, so well, good luck tonight. You'll let us know how it turns out on Thursday if you won another award. This is a much more, you know, warm embrace of this news than I got the first time I mentioned. I don't. It's somewhat, it rings somewhat familiar, but I think you're probably exaggerating my reaction. But I'm excited for you and I hope you win the award. Did you see the catch last night in Major League Baseball, the center fielder for the Oakland A's Denzel Clark and the catch he made to Rob an angel of a home run?

So, you know, some people are calling that the greatest catch of all times, certainly the best catch of the year. I don't, I mean, there are a lot of great catches, but this one was kind of special, wasn't it? Yes, it was. You know, I love the center field reaching over to, you know, rob a home run catch. When I used to cover baseball as a beatwriter in the early 90s, I saw some great ones. Actually, Mike Devereaux, when he was the center field of pretty Orioles,

was very good at that at Camden Yards. The best I ever saw was Devon White for the Toronto Blue Jays. And Otis Nixon from the Braves was another guy who was really good at that. It's one of the great plays of the game. And this catch ranks up there with all the great ones I've seen. Look, You know, the greatest catch in baseball history, it's kind of retired. Yeah, the Willie Mays catch over his shoulder of the Vic Wirt's home run, way out and 450 feet away out in Bolo Grounds. That's kind of a retired trophy, you know? Right.

But this was a great one. And that's one of the exciting plays in baseball. Was Willie Mays' catch one that robbed maybe an inside-the-park home run? I don't think so, because Willie would have gotten to it anyway. I think it was a Vic Worth hit. Vic Worth was a big power hitter for the Indians. But it certainly prevented a run from scoring, at least one run, maybe two. And, I mean, the party of it, Willie catches it, and then turns around and makes the throw all one motion to throw the ball back to the infield.

Because I'm sure, you know, the guy was probably halfway home. By the time, you know, Willie got to the ball, we had to go back to base. But that's considered, I mean, that's the one where you can find, on my iPhone, among my, on my playlist, I have the recording of them, of the radio call for that catch. What year was that again? 1954. What series, which the Giants won in four games. They beat the Indians in four games.

What percentage of the people in the crowd do you think were smoking either a cigar, a cigarette, or a pipe? Oh, 50 percent? At least, right? Yes, yes. By the way, decked out in suit, tie, and top hat probably. Yes, yes, in a suit and tie in the polo grounds, which at center field at the polo grounds was like 460 feet away from home play. I've been to the Polo Grounds because the Mets played their first two seasons at the Polo Grounds before Shea Stadium got built. And Polo Grounds was right near Yankee Stadium in the Bronx.

God, I think that would have been just a fascinating time to be alive and to be living in New York. Yes, this is what I said. I would have loved to have been a sports writer in 1947 in New York. You've got three baseball teams. You got Jackie Robertson breaking in as a rookie. You know, you got Joe DiMaggio still playing. You've got a great Brooklyn Dodgers team. Yeah, that would, to me, that's, I could go back in time at the 1947.

You got the post-war era of the boom era that's about to come. So, yeah, that would have been great. You know what? We wouldn't have been talking about many. camp in 1954. I don't think. So, I do have a show recommendation

for you, although you said that you don't have Apple TV. I guess, I don't even know who asked. If you paid me more, Kevin, I could afford all these streaming services. So the show...

I don't have that. The show is called Your Friends and Neighbors. It stars John Han. It's nine episodes, one season. The episodes are basically like 40 to 45 minutes long. It moves really quickly. It is really good. I guess you would call it, I guess the genre would be borderline dark comedy.

But it's hard to explain it without kind of giving it away other than to say that ham's a big hedge fund, wealthy New York suburban socialite along with his former wife living in one of the most affluent little areas of probably Greenwich, Connecticut. They gave up a, you know, they gave a different name for it. And he loses his job and he decides to become a thief and start robbing all of his rich friends and neighbors. And it's really good. First of all, he is so good. He's so good in everything, and I never watched Mad Men. Like, I know I missed something and not watching Mad Men. That was really his breakout, right?

I think it was. Yes. I never watched Man Man either, and I probably have some regret about that because it seems like a subject I would be interested in. Oh, my God, that's so up your alley. But, you know, I always felt, and not that this was a turnoff to me, but I always felt like people sort of misinterpreted what Mad Men was about based on what I knew in the brief exposure I had to it, it really was a show about women, more than men.

It was a show about the transition of the male-dominated workplace, you know, and how that started to begin. Yeah. So, you know, so I still want to make a point of watching that series. But like I told you before, you got to watch John Hammond's season. five of Fargo. He's unbelievable. I know. I missed that season. You mentioned that before we started to record, and I immediately wrote that one down, because I stopped with the Chris Rock season.

So that was season four. So I got to start up with that and get to Ham. But Ham's been, like, I just pulled up. Mad Men was basically, you know, his role as Don Draper, was his breakout. And then he started appearing in all these movies. Remember, he was the shitty boyfriend in bridesmaids. He was in the town. You know, he was the cop in the town. I love that movie. Anytime that movie's on, he was in the recent Maverick Top Gun.

He's been in so many really good movies and shows, but I'm telling you, this is, there's one aspect of it that I'll just tell you. I don't think the acting other than John Hamm is great. And that's the only thing that bothers me. Amanda Pete's in it. Olivia Munn is in it. But he's great. And the premise of the whole thing is just incredible.

And it ends in a murder and a murder mystery kind of a thing. I recommend this to anybody that's looking for, you know, a quick binge because it literally was nine episodes at, you know, 40 to 45 minutes per. So it really kind of flew by, but it was very, very well done. He's excellent in everything he does. All right. Anything else? Let me give you a viewing option. Okay.

It's very timely at this point. I mean, it didn't just come out now. But there's a documentary about Fly Stone on Hulu. I recommend everybody watch. Sly Stone, the great bunk museum. musician, rock funk musicians, has passed away at the age of any 82. Right. The guy who basically stole Woodstock.

Yeah. His performance at Woodstock stole the show. And I remember, you know, Kevin, I worked at a drive-in movie theater the summer at Woodstock. The movie came out. And I must have saw that movie like 13 times. Right. And then when it came back around again into the movies, I go with my friends to the regular movie house. And when Sly Stone would come on and do I want to take you higher, we would

dance up and down the aisle of the house of the movie house. We just couldn't sit still for it. So if you want to see a great documentary about Sly and the Family Stone, there's one on Hulu. I highly recommend. I got a lot of Sly Stone on my playlist today. I will definitely watch that. There have been a couple of those really good documentaries. about musicians from that era. A little bit later, I think I mentioned this before, but an outstanding documentary is the documentary about Rick James. He was really a smart, smart dude.

Oh, you know, something you mentioned to me, and I think you watched it, and I don't think I've told you that I've watched it. But you said you were going to watch it. The Brett Favre documentary, I watched it. Yes. Did you watch it? He's a bad guy.

Yeah, I watched it too. And she, what's her name? Jen Stinger. Steger. Jen Steger? Yeah, Steger, yeah. Man, she really got roughed up. Really got, really got handed a bad deal.

Yeah. That whole thing. And the person that made her was Brent Musburger. Yes. Yeah, I think that's worth the watch. I mean, he, I think it is too. He's not. He's just sketchy. Bottom line. Always was and has been. All right, anything else? I got nothing for you, boss.

Okay. We'll be back here on Thursday. I'm sure to talk about some mini-camp issues. I'll be back tomorrow. See you, Tommy. See you, boss.