The Kevin Sheehan Show - No Tomatoes

Episode Date: February 23, 2023

Kevin and Thom today pre-Bieniemy press-conference with a menu of excellence that doesn't include tomatoes. The boys talked Lamar Jackson, Eric Bieniemy, Booze Cruises, the new Netflix "Quarterback" docu-series, Terps hoops, and Thom's memorable Wednesday spent at a museum in Montgomery, Alabama.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Cheehan Show. Here's Kevin. All right, I'm here. Tommy is here. We're putting this podcast out, by the way,

before Eric the enemy holds his press conference today. I'll have reaction to that tomorrow. Actually, with Cooley, somebody did suggest to me that I tease Cooley too much and I don't deliver as much on him. When I tease him, it's because he's actually suggested that he'll be available. And he said he would be available tomorrow to talk about Eric B.

Enemy and the hiring of him. And then we'll also have the press conference to talk about. And then Tommy will weigh in on whatever Eric Bianami says today on Tuesday. But I do want to start by reading this review that we got from the podcast Scrutinizer on Apple. Only Kevin and Tom can make me glued to a conversation about pinball machines. you all are great to listen to especially at work. Keep it up. Thank you very much for that. You can rate us and review us. Yes, thank you. Do that wherever you have the opportunity to do it,

especially on Apple and Spotify. That is really important. Also, Neil and Rockville, after our show on Tuesday, sent me immediately a picture of the traitor Joe Ginger Snaps that he said his wife hides from him because she likes them so much. Yeah, those Trader Joe Ginger Snaps are the absolute best. And yeah, they come in this incredible plastic container. And what did he write? He said, yeah, he said, my wife hides them in the pantry

so that I, meaning meal, don't eat them all. Yeah, there's something about, you know, taste of food is great. Does texture of food get you as well? Does that hit your, you know, that raise the level of endorphins or whatever those things are called? Well, I think that's more of a turnoff for me than an attraction. I don't eat a lot of foods because of the texture rather than eating a lot of foods because of the texture.

So texture comes into play. What kind of texture of food is a problem for you? Well, I don't like the texture. I don't either. I don't like the texture. I don't either. But I like tomato sauce. I love tomato paste. Me too. I eat a lot of stuff with, you know, all kinds of tomato sauce, but I don't like the texture. And most people, they like tomatoes. Most people do. God, Tommy, we, you know, we've been doing this together now for a long time. I mean, coming up on like 15 years, I don't think we have ever talked about. our mutual distaste for tomatoes.

I don't eat tomatoes either. I eat everything tomato-e, like you described, but I can't stand the texture of tomatoes, and I will take them off sandwiches, off burgers. I say specifically when I order something, no tomatoes, always. So do I. Always. I actually don't even really like the taste of tomatoes,

which is really fascinating, considering that everything that tomatoes produce I love. Yes. Me too. And you know what? People who like tomatoes, what could you like, you have two heads? My wife all the time. She's like just giving, I mean, I take tomatoes off of everything,

and I just hand them to her, and she eats the tomatoes. I think there are many like us with, as it relates to tomatoes. Now, the reason I asked you about texture is that these Trader Joe Ginger snaps, they actually have, like, they're already kind of, well, ginger snaps typically aren't. Malasses cookies or, you know, some derivation of ginger, sometimes can be very soft. But ginger snaps tend to be kind of hard and crunchy. But these ginger snaps, if you hit it in the right spot, there's a little bit of chewiness to them because there's like little chunks of ginger in the cookie.

and it's and then I freeze you know everything's sweet and so I don't know man there's something about the texture and it's like when you get done with one you're like I shouldn't eat another seven of these but then the texture takes over and you just like the way that you chew it or the way it feels in your mouth I don't know how all that stuff works you know but it is you know dopamine when it comes to is that the thing the the the part of the the pleasure center whatever that is, that cookie does it for me. You know what else does it for me? Peanut M&Ms do it for me.

Like I, peanut M&Ms, especially frozen, the whole kind of letting them melt and then just getting to the peanut part, it's great. It's awesome. Lots of sports to talk about today, I guess. Thank you for the review and don't forget to. Let me just review us on Apple and Spotify. Yes, go ahead.

Let me just point out to the person who admonish you, those who admonish you about promoting coolly, in that, particularly in this business, there's a thing called the truth in the moment. Okay? We deal with this all the time. At the moment that you say something, that was true. It may not turn out to be true,

but it was true when you said it. It was true when you wrote. wrote it and it didn't turn out to be the case. I deal with this a lot. You know what? You definitely do. I think we do too. But when it's written, you know, people can go back and pull it up a lot easier and say, you were dead wrong about this. But a lot of times in the moment, you actually had it right. And by the way, a lot of the situations we discuss are dynamic. they're fluid, especially for you in the reporting end of the business. I mean, I see this with, you know, especially with all of the beat reporters that cover the football team.

I see it all the time where they will get, they'll put things out there. And then, you know, by the way, in this day and age, nobody even remembers if you got to right or wrong because social media just, I think, has taken sort of the luster off being first or being right, in my opinion anyway. But you'll see people crushing them for getting it wrong, but I know, because I had kind of similar information, that they had it right when they reported it, when they said it, even if it's like only a day or two earlier. Because the situation that they're covering is pretty fluid. It's always changing. Like they can get stuff from Ron Rivera or from Jason Wright or from other people in the organization that are sources. and they'll tell them something, and in that moment, that's exactly what they're planning on doing, and then two days later it completely changes.

But whatever. Yes. So I think that's your situation with promoting Cooley. I mean, when you promote them, that's what's going to happen, and things change. Yes, but the truth of the matter is, as Ron Rivera likes to say, he says that a lot, the truth of the matter. The truth of the matter is that a lot of times when I say that, I do believe based on a conversation that he's going to be available.

But I also know by the way he kind of said it or the way he texted it, that there's a chance he might not make it. So I am taking advantage of the information in the moment. The problem is if I were to really dig deep into interpreting that information, I would probably put the odds sometimes at like 50-50. But I'm not going to take a 50-50 opportunity and not turn it into a tease. Absolutely. Oh, God.

I wanted to read this quick email to start. I think I read something that was kind of similar yesterday or the day before I forget. And it is somewhat complementary, but there is a but typically with these things. And this one came from Cal. Kevin, I really appreciate that when you don't have a strong opinion, you say it. Not sure how many in your line of work do that. It's refreshing, but, and here comes the but, it seems with this organization in the last few years,

other than, and this was very nice of them to say, your excellent game recaps on Mondays, you are just less opinionated than you used to be about the football team. I read that last night, I think, and I just said, you know what? I think he's right. And I can't put my finger on like specific examples other than I know the one he's talking about here recently. And that is my view on Eric B. Enemy.

And that is I just threw up my arms the other day with you too. And I said, I have no idea. It's wait and see. And I said, as we were talking through this, I know you know this as well. But I don't think you do this either. Sometimes I think you do it more than I do it. But like Colin Cowherd is the king of taking a side. It doesn't matter if he believes in it or not.

He takes aside with conviction. He finds enough data out there to support it and he goes hard after it. And a lot of people think that in this business, that's what you're supposed to do. I've never done it that way. You and I never, ever did a show where we said, you take that side, I'll take this side. Never. It was always whatever we really thought. A lot of times we agreed. A lot of times we disagreed. You know, some people will say disagreement among talk show hosts is better content. I don't necessarily agree with that. I understand why it's better content and it appeals to more people because, you know, you've got, you're appealing to more of the audience who are kind of split on certain things to begin with.

So somebody's out there saying, I agree with Tommy. Somebody's out there saying, I agree with Kevin. versus if we're both on the same page, half of the people saying they suck. They don't know what they're talking about. And then half of the people saying maybe they agree. But my, I, you don't, do you do that in columns? I think you've done that before together on this podcast on radio show. Never. Never done that.

I couldn't, I'm not capable of that. I couldn't do that. And that's not even close, not even possible. I couldn't just present something just because, you know, it's the other side or just the opposite what everyone else is thinking if I didn't believe it. I don't think that that's what you do. I think sometimes what you do is you get an idea, and it may not have really been something that you were strongly convicted about, but you know it'll make a good column. Never. I never do that.

All right. You can think that. But I never do that. And look at the idea that, you know, on talk shows, differing opinions make the show better, I mean, the other extreme, and you've had shows like this in the past, some have been successful, where, you know, the one host would parrot everything the other host said. I mean, there was, there was, Mike and Mike, we used to call same and sammer. Right. Yeah. You know? And there are shows like that where the guy says, yeah, all the, like when the other host says, yeah, you're absolutely right all the time. Right. Right. That's, that's not good. No, especially when you kind of sense that the person is just agreeing because they just want it not to become an argument or confrontational. They don't really believe it. No, you're right. There are some of those. But anyway, I think,

Specific to Washington, I do kind of feel that way. Like, I don't know. I think I was, like, I'm just thinking about the big moves. Like Carson Wentz, I definitely absolutely bashed the trade, but I said with respect to him playing, it might be better than what they've had. That's not a neutral position, but it was more of a hopeful position, maybe on the performance.

Like with Eric B. Enemy, I do think I may be more hopeful, than optimistic, if that makes sense? Well, look, look, let's get back to the heart of the matter. It's hard to judge this football team based on the fact that it's this football team. It's hard to make judgments that you might make for most other organizations because of the unknown of the chaos. And so, I mean, you don't know it's coming, but you know something's coming.

And it's going to throw a monkey wrench into, you know, what should be a developing situation that could work out well. Okay, so it's hard to judge the moves of this football team for me. Now, it doesn't seem too hard to judge, you know, from the cheerleading squad that that's out there. But for me, I don't see how you can judge any movement with this football team without the caveat that's saying nothing ever works. Yeah, well, that's true.

That's true. I think... So it's hard to say, I mean, you know, that Eric Biedemi will be successful because even if he's good, you know something's going to get in the way. Yeah, I mean, maybe that'll be changing. here soon enough with new ownership. But no, in the past, of course. It's like, you know, you even, I mean, part of the reason that I've always said,

by the way, very strongly convicted on this, they'll never win as long as Dan owns the team. I mean, they may have a season here or there that they're competitive and they may even make the playoffs, but they'll never actually be a winner is because even because we've had too many examples of even when things actually could be, you know, in the works, like, you know, the Shanahan regime and all of the coaches they had in the building and all of the brilliant intellect, football intellect they had in the building, you just, you know, we know that somehow, even if you've got a chance, he would step in and ruin it somehow. you know, with that particular situation specific to the relationship that he developed with

RG3 and ended up picking RG3 over, you know, basically 45 future head coaches in the league that were all in his building. Yes. But, you know, and that's one of the things that when ownership changes, I think for the first time, in every bit of 10 to 12 years anyway, because I don't know how strongly. For me, since the Shatahan era. Yeah. When the Shanahan era ended, I remember saying, I'm done. But I've said that several times. But at least we won't have to suspend reality with the caveat of he owns the team, even if it looks good, it won't turn out that way because he'll mess it up somehow. You know, whether it's him directly or somebody he hires or whatever. He is self-destructive when it comes to that. Even when he actually has a good thing, he's not. He can't recognize it.

That's why it's hard to have opinions on the product on the field because sometimes he feel like an idiot, you know, making those judgments or those predictions are getting excited about it when, you know, the anvil is going to fall on your head at some point. How much do you think it has to do with the fact that I'm not as passionate about the team as I used to be. It probably has a lot to do with it. How much do you think working with me

has had an impact on that? What do you mean? No, it's how much I mean, basically, I mean, I've had this position for quite a while. And, I mean, you hear it all the time

from me, and, you know, a lot of fans hated. But I'm just wondering if If you worked with a different host, if you might not be, if you might be more willing to have strong opinions about the success of this team. I'm going to do what you do to me when I pose a similar question. I'm just going to say, I don't know what you're talking about. I don't even really listen to you that much.

And I certainly, there's no chance that you could have. actually influence me as much as you think you could. That would be your answer back to me. Okay, I just threw that out there. I know. Honestly, I don't, I think you and I always come from different perspectives on this team because I was a fan. I am a fan still just not as big of a fan. I mean, and really, you know, like with a lot of us, it just, the fandom was just sucked out of us after all of these years. Totally understandable. So my perspective's always been different.

You know, you're not a fan of the team. You're super objective when it comes to the team. Now, we both benefit, and this is always the funny thing about the criticism that comes your way or my way when we are negative, as if this is what we want to be. No, we would benefit much more, as we've described over the years, if they actually were a functional. team that won a lot.

And it would produce a lot more in revenue for the both of us. But we don't have that. So we have sort of settled in as the fan base I'm talking about. And then you as a media member covering the team into this expectation that all will go wrong, with the exception of, like you said, the people, the small group of people out there that, you know, will still spend every last cent on the team and think that they do no wrong. and want to tell you that you're wrong about Bienemy and wrong about Wence. I mean, I can't tell you how many people I know have reached out to me to say

they thought we were way too negative about BNemi. And I guarantee you, because I recognize some of the handles, they're the exact same people that for all of last off-season into the early portion of the season, we're saying the same thing about our position on Wence. Exact same people. I'm sure. Probably. But I don't, I think that, look, I don't even, I don't know, I'm not keeping score on this. I know when I have a strong opinion and you as well, it's like you can definitely hear it in our voices.

You can definitely hear it in Tommy's voice because it goes up an octave or four. But I, but I definitely think you, I mean, I can't, the Bianami thing, to me, the whole thing is a mystery. It's a mystery. The only part of it, as I emphasized the other day, that's not a mystery, is that unlike many of you who described it as landing the big fish, they didn't land anything. Okay? He didn't have any other options. And maybe they didn't have a lot of other options either. You know, I forget if I read this to you, and it's going to be hard for me to go find it now, but somebody sent me something the other day, and I forget if I read this with you on. Tuesday or if I did it yesterday on the show that essentially said, let me see if I can find it here because I cut and pasted it and put it into, yeah, here it is. I didn't do this with you. This dude, Victor tweeted me. I appreciate your honesty on the hiring of Eric B. Annami, blah, blah, same thing kind of the other guy said. It's pretty obvious that Washington was the only place willing to take a chance on him, other than the chiefs maybe, but looking at it,

the other way, is it possible that Washington, too, didn't have many options other than Bianami? That's something we really didn't talk about the other day. You know, by the way, the other thing we didn't talk about is how many of those jobs that Bianemy didn't get offered? Maybe it's because Bianmi wouldn't have wanted that job. I mean, we didn't take that into consideration either, which is fair. Somebody pointed that out. It's possible that he wasn't offered the job because after the interview, he basically told them, don't offer me the job. I'm not interested in being here.

Because there are a lot of teams that, you know, even for the first opportunity to be a head coach, probably wouldn't be the right one. But how many options did Washington have? Well, maybe Shermer and Zampezee, but it's possible that they didn't. I don't know. Greg Roman. I don't know if that was an option for him. They interviewed him, didn't they? They did.

They interviewed him? How do you know that Roman would have accepted? Well, that's true. You don't know. but he doesn't have a job right now. No, he doesn't. And it would seem like what, at least on the day when Ron Rivera has talked about this, as opposed to the other days, about running the ball,

it would seem like Greg Roman would have been a perfect fit for what they wanted to. Yeah. Right, but maybe Greg Roman got in there with, you know, Ron talking about, you know, in the first part of the meeting talking about being a run team and then talking about how he'd like a quick passing game and a good drop-back quarterback, and he really liked to rain bombs down on other teams. You know, Roman was as confused as we've been with Ron

over the years and said, yeah, I don't really want this gig. By the way, you know, yesterday I did a lot on the Lamar Jackson stuff. There's been a lot on, and something that I didn't mention on the podcast yesterday because I don't think I saw it until the end. Chris Trapaso from CBS Sports actually did a mock draft. yesterday. And he had a mock trade with Lamar Jackson going to Washington as well. So we've now, you know, Mike Floreo has a hunch that Washington's, you know, the sleeper team, if you will, for Lamar Jackson. And then Trapaso had a trade with Baltimore basically getting two first,

two seconds, and a third from Washington for Jackson. No, I don't think it's going to happen. Yes, I have seen the odds on Lamar Jackson's landing spot for Washington increase over the last 48 hours. It's true. But the one reason that I thought it was just interesting, even though I do not think it'll happen, is that Greg Roman was here, oh, you know, 10 days ago, nine days ago. And who knows why he was here, maybe it's because there was a possibility that Lamar Jackson was going to end up here. Maybe it was Washington just on a fact-finding mission.

about Lamar Jackson. Who knows? You didn't know about the Lamar Jackson stuff, did you? It's difficult. Huh? Did you know about the Lamar Jackson stuff with Florio? Yeah, I had heard about it. Okay.

I had heard about it. It's difficult to see the Ravens trading them to Washington. For parochial reasons, if nothing else. Really? You think for parochial reasons? Why? It's two completely separate markets. No, they're not.

They're not too completely separate markets. Go in P.G., Howard, and Andrewongle County. You'll see they're not too separate markets. They meld together. Howard, yes. Howard, yes. No. Okay.

You haven't been in a sporting goods store in Peechie County later. No, I haven't. Have you? Have you? Well, yes, I have, because I've checked this out. I mean, there's more Ravens jerseys available, at least from what I can see, for sale than there are Redskins or Commanders, sure as he's available. Okay. In PG County?

Yeah. Where in PG County? At, uh, Jesus. What? I forget the name of the door. Inside the beltway or outside the state? Well, you know what? It's interesting. It's within a few miles to the stadium, but it's outside the beltway. Okay. I forget the name of the store. All right. Whatever. Yeah. But, uh, I mean, I just, I don't think they would trade him here. I mean, I don't think it could be the overriding reason, but I think it would come into play, I think we can say, if we're going to do this, that trading for Lamar Jackson would gin up the fan base.

Oh, yeah. Right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I mean. That would do it. That's a game changer.

I mean, I think Aaron Rogers is too. Like I made the case to you a couple of weeks ago that, you know, if you traded for Aaron Rogers, it might actually increase the overall value of the team for the bidders if you had Aaron Rogers in the mix, because you'd immediately get a significant bump in ticket sales and merchandise, et cetera. And you'd have Bank of America putting out a new prospectus with new financials. And the exact same thing with Lamar Jackson. What was funny about the Florio rant yesterday, and I talked about this, is that he, suggested that kind of Ron Rivera was playing possum, like he was out there saying we're not

interested in a quarterback. But he's really behind the scenes. They're going after Lamar Jackson. Well, it's not really what Ron Zamo has been. They've telegraphed the moves the last couple of off seasons. You know, they said we're going to call all 32, we're calling all 32 teams, quarterback, quarterback, you know, and then they, you know, they made the effort for Russell Wilson. and they offered a lot to Seattle. They offered a lot the year before for Stafford. I don't think they can do the Lamar Jackson thing. I just think that there is a, you know, for the lack of a better description,

spending freeze on big spends. The Snyders are not coming out of pocket, you know, $150 million in guarantees for Lamar Jackson that would have to be put into escrow. And, you know, the other thing that, that Florio said and suggested was that Dan, he'd sign him to a five-year Deshawn Watson kind of deal to middle finger the league and the new owner. That doesn't even make sense.

Like he's trying to get the most he can get for his team. If he signed, if he traded for Jackson and then on top of that, signed him to a terrible deal that, you know, required all of this, you know, money and commitment, you know, it may actually go the other way with a new owner. But yeah, they... Okay. Yeah, go ahead.

What if... Let's see the nightmare scenario here. He doesn't sell the team. Yeah, because they get Lamar Jackson. Now, I think he's going to have to sell the team. I don't think he's going to have a choice. I mean, I think no matter what happens, he's going to have to sell the team. But let's play that game.

Let's say that doesn't happen. He has the option of keeping it. And now Lamar Jackson is his quarterback. And if you don't think it's parochial, you don't think Dan Snyder would just relish the chance to take the Baltimore Ravens quarterback and then win with that guy? Absolutely would.

Yeah. If Dan were still here, though, he wouldn't. They wouldn't win. He'd fuck it up. I know. I know. He would. He would.

He would. He would. He would. He would rechristen his yacht, the USS Lamar Jackson. And he'd say, here, you've got a set of keys, too. He'd give him his skipper's hat for a while and say, you can wear it. You can steer the ship. You know, just like they probably do with Dan when he's on the ship and he's down there like Dwight was on the Boos cruise.

You think he wears a car? Captain's hat? I got it. Who knows? I mean, I would think if he does at some point a picture of that would have come out. Yeah. By the way, speaking of

Booth Cruise, I went on a Booth Cruise last week. I forgot to tell you. Oh, really? Well, why don't you tell me about that? Why don't you tell me about that? Why don't you tell me about Montgomery, Alabama? I want to talk about the Terps win last night as well. And there's a new show coming out. on Netflix in June

that if you haven't heard about that if you haven't heard about, we will talk about that as well. We'll get to all those things right after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show brought you by MyBooky, go to mybooky.orgie. Go to mybooky.orgie. Use my promo code, Kevin, D.C.,

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missed Thorne Nystrom on the show yesterday. He was excellent in talking about Anthony Richardson and the other quarterbacks in the draft. He's been a guy that I've talked about since the beginning of the year. My strong opinion on Anthony Richardson is he's got a massive, massive ceiling, but he's a project as a passer. But he is a freak athletically. And in that story that I referenced Tommy in the last segment, Chris Tripasso from CBS Sports in his mock draft where he had, Washington and Baltimore in a trade with Lamar Jackson coming to Washington, he had Anthony Richardson going number one overall to Indianapolis after Indy traded with Chicago.

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Tell me about the booze cruise that you said you went on. Well, technically it was a dolphins cruise to go out and see dolphins. Right. out on the water here in the Gulf. But, you know, there was a lot of beer, a lot of booze. And so it was sort of like a booze cruise. It didn't get out of hand or anything like that. They didn't have to tie anyone up like they did Michael on the office.

And, you know, even though I wanted to, you know, go up with the captain and drive the boat like Dwight did, you know, they wouldn't let me do that as well. But it just reminded me of the Booth Cruise episode in the office. Do you remember who played the real captain on the Boos Cruze in the office? Yeah, Ron Ripple? Rob Riggle. Yeah, close enough. Rob Riggle.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. That's a... Go ahead. Well, that was... the span of shows where Jim was going out with Amy Adams.

He was. He was going out with Amy Adams. And Amy Adams is very hot. Amy Adams is super hot. And Amy Adams was not Amy Adams at that point in terms of a star. This was before she did whatever her first, you know, big time role was, which I don't know what it was. But yeah, Amy Adams was the, you know, came in and sold purses on a day. which Michael didn't want anybody in the office selling anything until he got a look at Amy Adams. And then that became some of the most awkward conversation in the history of the show about coffee and Starbucks. Yeah. So was it fun?

I mean, that cruise, yeah, it was fun. It was fun. We saw dolphins. Okay. You know, that was pretty cool. It's not like whale watching. Yeah, right. You know?

Uh-huh. I mean, because, I mean, you could be, I've been in the ocean. off of the Jersey coast where we saw dolphins swim like nearby. Right. So, but it was fun. It was fun. I like going out in the water. You like being on the water?

Not really. This is a big issue with me and the rest of my family. I've never been a boat person. Do I go out on boats? Yeah. Do I enjoy it when I'm out there, especially when you're with a group of friends and you're drinking and fishing or whatever? Yeah. But I've told you this before.

I am one of those people. I get very seasick. So it's not one of my favorite things to do because it can be unpredictable. You know, if it's choppy and, you know, they decide to park the boat and a bunch of chop, that's not good for me. And then you're stuck out there and you don't want to be the complaint. about, hey, can we start this thing back up and pick up some speed here and maybe head back? So I'm not a big boat guy. But the big boats, by the way, when the kids were young, we used to go to Deep Creek Lake up in Garrett County a lot.

Because my brother-in-law and sister-in-law had a house up there. They had a cabin. It was great. It was right on the lake. And my brother-in-law had all the toys. I mean, he had boats. and then for the winter he had snowmobiles, four-wheelers. And to be truthful, when you've got three boys,

that kind of weekend is more fun for them than the beach, because you're doing things. You know, I prefer the beach, but you're doing things. You're fishing, you're water skiing, you're four-wheeling, the whole thing. But, like, he had a couple of boats, including, like, one of those big pontoon boats. Those are easy. They're big up there to pontoon boats.

Yeah, those are easy. Like to me, I can hang out on one of those As long as it's not super choppy and you're moving, that's fine. But I do like the idea of booze cruises. You know, there's a lot of those downtown, you know, on the Potomac that sort of, you know. Yes, there are. You know, you always see them pulling up right there in the, at Washington Harbor. You know, to...

Listen, we're back. We're back to the discussion. A sports six booze cruise. Yeah. Okay. I'm up for it. It's just loading up with dramamine. I mean,

whenever I go out on a boat, it's not that I push back and say no. I'm a trooper on all that, and I just load up on dramamine. And usually it's fine. And by the way, a little dramamine with some alcohol. That'll get you going.

So there we go. So it was fun. So, you know, you saw a couple dolphins. and you got hammered and probably met some new friends? Yes, all the above. All right. What about Montgomery and your trip to Montgomery, Alabama, one of the state, a state capital, by the way, of the state of Alabama?

I know my capitals. Yeah, well, okay, you're right. Very good. You know, I am, look, to get serious for a minute, I'm a big believer in visiting civil rights museums. Right. You do that all the time. And civil rights locations because I'm a big believer in acquiring as much knowledge as I can. I mean, you know, we all know what happened, but we don't really know the details and the scope of what happened a lot of us.

So I'm a big believer in acquiring that knowledge because I think this helps us understand the issue of race. So we went to Birmingham, we went to Montgomery, and there's several museums in Montgomery. Rosa Parks. Yeah. We went to the Legacy Museum, and then the National Memorial for Peace and Justice. It's a three-hour ride from here to Montgomery. So we got up there about 11, and we only had time for two of them. But let me tell you about the National Memorial for Peace and Justice.

It's a memorial dedicated to the legacy of enslaved black people who were terrorized by lynching. And there are over 800 steel monuments, one for each county in the United States, that hanged down from the roof with the names of victims who have been lynched. and it's as powerful a place that I've ever been. And, I mean, I would put the Holocaust. The Holocaust Museum is very powerful as well, obviously. But this one was very powerful. And I would just recommend, you know what's ironic? Okay, I know this is going to piss some people off, but that's okay.

My wife asked me, what is Alabama known for? and I said, well, it's known for college football and bigotry. And the idea is, the funny part is, the bigotry is starting to pay off for Alabama. This civil rights tourism thing is a huge financial boom for the state. They get over a million people a year. What did it cost you? That comes to Alabama. What did it cost you?

Was the museum free or did it cost you? No, it cost me. I don't remember what it cost me. We had something to eat while we were in. Montgomery. But this is big business now. You know, these places, there's over 30 museums, churches, and historic sites that draw over a million people a year to the state. The ironic part is the Alabama Board of Education last year passed the law banning concepts that improve fault, lame, or tendency to oppress others, or not a tendency to oppress others or

need to feel the guilt or anguish to person solely because of their race or sex. Well, I got to tell you something, you walk through this place. If you don't feel anguish at the minimum, then you're not human. And here's the funny part. These places were filled with school trips. Class trips. They're all over the place. But yet they passed this law basically saying that this kind of,

of stuff should not be part of the lesson. So it's just, it's just an ironic thing that this was one of the most horrible states in the country. I would guess that Mississippi had the most lynchings. Mississippi, okay, Mississippi had the most lynchings, I'm sure. That was off the charts, the number of lynchings that were listed from Mississippi. But Alabama was the stage for the march from Selma to Montgomery. You know? So that had the Alabama, I think, really became the symbol, even though Mississippi was, I think,

a more dangerous place to be if you were black. And it's ironic that now it's become, I mean, it's become one of the next to the Alabama beaches, which are a huge tourist attraction. The Civil Rights Trail, as they call it. It's big business now in Alabama. And again, all that aside,

it just felt right to be there yesterday. And every time I leave a place like this, I am angry, but I have a better understanding of why people who have a right to be angry are angry. Yeah. I'm just reading through the... And like, I'll give me an example. The last one, the last lynching in the state of Maryland was 1931. That's not that long ago.

I watched something. No, no, no. I mean, what's interesting is on Saturday night or Friday night, whatever, CNN had this documentary. It was two hours on the 1921 Tulsa Massacre and how that really got, you know, that there wasn't a lot learned about it really until the late 90s when they started to dig up what happened. and literally dig up in graveyards where a lot of the bodies were built, were buried. Because there was this area, if my memory serves me correctly from the other night,

it was called Greenwood. It's a section of Tulsa. And it was a very thriving, vibrant area for blacks in Oklahoma in this section of Tulsa, black-owned businesses, black-frequented businesses, hotels, residents, commercial, the whole thing. And it was an incredibly thriving area. They called it. They referred to it as the Black Wall Street.

You're familiar with this, right? Yes, I am. Yes, I am. And, you know, there was a discussion just about sort of the lynchings that led up to it, you know, in the early 1900s. And you just said that Maryland's last lynching was in 1931. Where did it happen? and Princess Anne over on the East Shore.

Okay. I mean, that's less than 100 years ago. Amazing. Yeah. I would love to go to it. I'm looking at the museum that you went to right now on their website. This looks like one of those powerful museums where you walk out of there. It is.

Yeah. I don't know if I've ever told you this story. But the Holocaust Museum had just opened up. And this was early 90s. I mean, you can look it up right now. I don't know when the Holocaust Museum. I don't have a date, but I'm going to guess it was the early 90s. And Kara had gone, had studied abroad for a year in Spain.

And one of her best friends, her name was Katrina, was German. They had stayed in touch ever since that. And Katrina came to her. She was in our wedding party. And in fact, Kara just, she was in Berlin recently and visited with her. And they became super close friends, lifelong friends. Well, anyway, it was the mid-90s, and we had literally just gotten married. And Katrina and her boyfriend, who was older at the time, came over to visit and stay with us.

And they wanted to go to the Holocaust Museum, both German. Now, I didn't know anything about their family. I would find out afterwards that his father was an SS officer and that, you know, a lot of his relatives, you know, his uncles and the whole thing, because he was, he was an older guy to begin with. Anyway, we go through the Holocaust Museum, and it was my first trip through it, too. It's funny how we live here, and most people don't go to the, you know, wonderful museums and galleries, et cetera, and less people from out of town are in town and they say, hey, can we go down

to the Air and Space Museum or the History of the Museum of Natural History or whatever. I mean, so we ended up going to that museum. Now, he is bawling, bawling as he's going through this. And at one point I said, look, we can go. And he said, no, no, no. We were there for three hours. We get through with it. And she was moved to tears, multiple. times, as were we, by the way. That was in just, it's such a moving museum. Very powerful. And we get out of there and it was in 1994-ish, I'm guessing. And in the theaters at that time was a movie called Schindler's List. I said, hey, why don't we get a bite to eat when we walked out of there and everybody is spent? Why don't we, you know, why don't we get a bite to eat and go to

Schindler's List tonight? And he just looked at me like, I was insane and I said I'm kidding I said I it was but I couldn't it was it was so interesting to see somebody that was that close to World War II from the German side and how and you know and I remember I remember specifically them saying that you know their my generation which was their generation and his is older he was an older generation that there was still a lot a hell of a lot of guilt. And that's part of what I think came out in that walk through that museum. Well, you know what's interesting. You mentioned the Tulsa Race Massacre. I don't know if this is the documentary that you saw, but you know who produced a documentary for the history

channel on that? Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook? What are you talking about? Russell Westbrook, they produced a documentary on the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre, and it was shown on the History Channel. And I think it came out in 2021. I don't understand. So he is a production company or something like that? Yes, yes. This is what I meant when I said that he's a remarkable guy off the court. Right, I know.

I've heard that. I know. I've heard about that. But you didn't mention this. Part of who Russell Westbrook is. No, I didn't. But, yeah, he's the producer of a very powerful. I've never seen it, but I've read reviews about it.

It's supposed to be a very powerful documentary. I don't know if it's the one CNN showed or not. Yeah. It's funny that you mentioned that because the thing that I wanted to talk to you about, this Netflix thing, is actually produced by two players, a current player and a former player. So we'll get to that in a moment. and I want to talk a little bit about Maryland's win last night over Minnesota as well.

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if you were at the Eric Biennamy press conference today, what would you ask? That's a good question. I would ask if you have any concerns about coming to an organization that has such a track record of failure. Would you want to go first with that one? No, I would recognize, look, I know the FI haven't flow of a press conference. And, you know, so I would recognize I let all the lightweights, you know, throw out their questions. Okay. Or I would deliver that one.

Okay. I mean, I don't want to shut down a press conference before it even starts. Okay? Yeah. But that's what I would ask them. That's a legitimate question. I mean, people, I'm sure, you know, there's a lot of people when they say their interview in Washington, and their friends in the business say, are you crazy?

No doubt. That's more likely than not a true statement. That when you end up in Washington, unless your friend in the business knows that you didn't have any other options, are you sure you want to do this? But I think there are two things that I would be really interested in hearing him answer. Number one, the more positive, I think it would be positive. I'm guessing it would be positive.

I really do want to hear what he has to say about Sam Hal. I want to hear him describe what he is seen on tape, what he believes Sam Howell can be. I'd actually like to know what his overall thoughts on what the quarterbacks should look like for this franchise next year. You know, there are things about the offense and stuff, whatever. I mean, he's going to answer a lot of what, you know, the kind of system he wants. once in the whole thing. And he's going to say nice things about Terry McClorn and all of the players that it's obvious. But then I do think that it's a totally justifiable question to ask him, why do you think it took this long for you to get offered a job as either a head coach or an

offensive coordinator? That is the number one storyline around Eric B. Enemy. And no one's really ever answered it clearly. Like he hasn't. Nobody. Everybody, has theorized. Everybody has talked about the rumors and here you have him today and this is going to be a press conference by the way that's anticipated league wide.

People are going to be, this is the most talked about hiring that isn't a head coach of this off season. So I would want to hear in his words and I have a guess as to how he'd answer it why he thinks

he hasn't been hired. after all of these interviews, because the whole thing took on a life of its own. I think, as I said to you the other day, the one thing, unless you can prove me wrong on this, he hasn't done is that he has not made the many, many interviews without getting a job offer, a story himself. He has not added to it with any kind of woe is me, with any kind of that. He has put his head down and he's gone back to work for the chiefs. And by all accounts, done an excellent job.

And I would bet that if that question's asked today, his answer would be, I'm focused on the future. I'm glad that, you know, I'm glad that Washington's giving me an opportunity and I'm going to go prove that, you know, their decision to hire me was the right one. I don't think we'll hear a lot of discussion about why or why not, even if he's got really good answers for it that may shed, you know, a bad light on the league or certain teams in the league. I bet we won't hear that, but I'd like to see how he handles that question. That would be a good question. That's a fair question, too. I think it is. So, Maryland won last night.

I will admit to all of you, I bet Minnesota last night. I bet Minnesota plus 15. And the reason I bet them... You're cold-hearted, man. You are cold-hearted. Well, no, that's the happiness hedge. You know, Marilyn wins, but they just don't cover, and I'm fine with that. I just, I knew what last night going in, I say I knew, as it turns out, I was dead wrong.

I thought I knew what last night was about. Maryland playing a team that they had beaten by 35 points a month ago, but a team that didn't have several of its key players when Marilyn beat them, 81 to 46 when they played at Minnesota. Maryland coming off a loss, yes, but really, The last time they were home was the game against Purdue, which was, you know, one of the best crowds they've had at Xfinity in a long time. It was a great win. It was, you know, his first true signature win, Kevin Willard's.

And I knew the place would be dead last night. I know this fan base inside and out. Seven o'clock start, weeknight, playing the worst team in the Big Ten. It just wasn't going to be the atmosphere that they had last been in. in that building. So I thought there could be a little bit of a let down there. The other team had some motivation because they got their ass kick the last time they played, but they didn't have a couple of their really good players. And I just thought 15 was too much. I thought Maryland would come out flat. And I thought they'd win the game, but they'd win by like, you know, six or seven. And it'd be a

small sweat when all was said and done. Well, they were actually down in the game in the first half. I mean, they were down as late as the 10 minute mark. They were down a point. I was like, I knew, and Tommy, I was sitting there going, I'm so smart. I knew this was going to be a sweat. I knew that they weren't going to be ready to play this game. The building is dead. You know, it's just one of those nights. You know, you're not playing a good opponent.

Nobody's, you know, psyched up for it. And the last time you were there, the place was ginned up. And they're looking around going, where'd all the people go to? But from that moment on, Maryland went on a 27-de- seven run. They never looked back. They won by 18. I really did not have a chance to get the cover. The Terps were up by as many as 27. They shot 73.1% in the first half. For the game, Maryland shot 68.1% from the floor. The sixth best single game shooting percentage night in program history.

I mean, all of the great teams they've had last night was number six on the list of shooting percentage. They shot 68.1%. Tommy, they only shot 47 times in the game. They made 32 of them, and they scored 88 points. This was as efficient and offensive performance as you will see anywhere in college basketball. And the irony is that Maryland's not a good shooting.

team. They have been at home, and they were last night, but this is probably their one flaw, is they have, you know, they've gone Brick City on a lot of nights. I think they're 326 in the country at a 368 or whatever division one teams in three-point shooting percentage. They were 7 to 13 last night. They were really impressive against a team that had played Illinois, earlier last weekend really tough. It's a good basketball team, Maryland, right now. They are tied for third. Actually, they really are in third by themselves because they beat Indiana,

so they would win the tiebreaker. There are several teams that are tied with them in the loss column. Julian Reese has turned into a really good player. We've been talking about Jamir Young all year long. I mean, on a night when he only had 11 points in 26 minutes, they still blew out Minnesota. It was great to see Dante Scott get back on track offensively. He had 18 points on 7 of 9.

I mentioned the other day, I love him as a defender. I love him as a rebounder. I just wish that he'd be more confident shooting because I don't think he's a bad shooter, but he hasn't shot well at times. He was horrendous at Nebraska 2 for 16, and he comes back with a 7-4-9 night. Donald Kerry made some shots, which was good to see him see the ball go through the basket.

and Maryland's sitting here at 19 and 9, 10 and 7, tied for third, really in third by themselves in the Big 10, if you count tiebreakers. You know, on the verge of, you know, approaching kind of the six-seed, seven-seed line. And they got a Ken Palm number of 17 in the country. And they've got a massive game Sunday at home against Northwestern. Yeah. The journalist. Northwestern is second in the big. 10 right now behind Purdue. They play Illinois tonight. If they lose the game, then Maryland and

Northwestern will be playing with still a couple of games left next week in the regular season. They'll be playing for second place in the Big Ten, you know, as of that moment on Sunday. I promise you, since we've been in the Big Ten, there hasn't been one meaningful game played against Northwestern. This will be the first one. Chris Collins is doing a great job there. They've got a really good team. They've got a really good player. and Boo Booie. And I would think that Sunday, even though it's a 12 noon start, that'll be an atmosphere in college park because it'll be a big game for them.

And I would expect they'll be like a five-point favorite, four and a half five-point favorite. And I think that's a game that they can win. But what a season Willard's having? What is season Maryland's having? They've got a top 15 recruiting class coming in next year. He's, you know, this was tough, you know, after the pandemic. and not going to that tournament in 2020,

but he's doing a hell of a job. Hell of a job. And they're not, you know, they don't have any NBA players on their team, I don't think. And if they do, it's, you know, it's not, you know, a lottery pick. But they are, they're a dangerous team right now. They defend, they run, and when they're shooting the ball well, they're difficult to beat.

It's going to be fun to watch them. I think they're going to have a chance to win a game or two in March. Anyway, that's it on. the Terps, unless you have anything. Well, that would be cool. I mean, again, the area is always better when Maryland is good. It's more fun to be a sports fan.

Georgetown lost again last night. Virginia lost. For you, UVA fans, man. It's been close. You've had a lot of close calls against some bad teams like Louisville. And last night, Boston College kicked Virginia's ass. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with the UBA.

I thought they got, you know, completely lucky in beating Duke at home when Duke didn't get a whistle for the first time in like 50 years. All right. So there is this show coming out in June. I think it's June on Netflix called Quarterback. And it is a production with Omaha Productions. That's Peyton Manning's company. And 2 PM Productions, which is Patrick Mahomes production company. I guess these players all have production companies now. Netflix, the show follows the 2022 NFL seasons of three quarterbacks. Patrick Mahomes, Marcus Marietta, and Kirk Cousins.

And this is what they've been filming all year long, and we will get this. I don't know how many episodes. I haven't read anything about the episode count, but it's going to be in June. am very much looking forward to this. I do not really... What episode is your appearance? My appearance? Was I interviewed? I don't think it's an interview thing. I think it's more of following these guys around, right? To see what their daily lives are as quarterbacks in the NFL.

Do they have Kirk's weekly call to you on tape? They don't. They might have a couple of text messages back and forth, but I don't think they'll have, I don't think they'll have a weekly call. No, there's no weekly call with Kirk. But actually, you know, what's, this, first of all, Netflix, almost everything they do is great, as we, as we all know. The current show that everybody out there, I know a lot of you guys are watching full swing. I watched the first episode. I just thought it was okay. I know that the next several episodes get much better. I just thought Jordan Speath and Justin Thomas were kind of boring in that first episode.

But I am looking forward to this, much more so than, say, hard knocks, unless Washington's the hard knocks team this summer. But this, to me, is very interesting. And it's not just because of Kirk, where I think you'll find what everybody has said about him privately and publicly, which is nobody prepares more for this thing than he does. And while he may not be a dude in the locker room, he's respected by everybody. in the locker room because of the professionalism and the way he approaches the job. But I think the Mario-Ota stuff could be great.

Because remember, after he came to Washington and they should have won that game, they had a chance to win that game, and he played great. He was benched two weeks later for good and then basically kind of turned his back on the team on Arthur Smith and Company. So that stuff will be interesting. And then I don't know if they take this all the way through the Super Bowl, the playoffs in the Super Bowl, but to see how Mahomes dealt with that injury. you know, during the postseason would be super interesting,

and to see his relationship with Eric Bienemy, if that's part of it. Okay, here's the thing. You know, every asshole on Earth now is producing a documentary. Yeah. Okay. Do you have an idea for one? Oh, I have many ideas for one. Can you get it done?

No, I can't get it done. I want to get my screenplays made, buddy. I'm still working on that. You know? All your Hollywood connections, they're not paying off for me. I don't have any Hollywood connections. I told you that when you asked me that three years ago. I don't have any connections.

You got more connections than I do. Okay. Maybe they just didn't like what they read. Well, that can't possibly be because they're great. Okay. So what? Every asshole does a documentary now. Yeah.

I mean, the whole idea of documentary is kind of warped right now. They're basically propaganda pieces. You're not going to see anything about Patrick Mahomes in that documentary, and he doesn't want you to see. Yeah. Well, it's his production company. He's a producer. Yeah. Yes.

So, this whole idea of making documentaries, I mean, the whole Derek Jeter series, the docu-series, the Jordan one. I didn't watch that. The Jordan one was great. It's all propaganda. The Jordan one was great. It's propaganda. It's not documentary. When I grew up a documentary.

was an honest look at inside a subject matter that was produced independently. Now, all these documentaries are produced by guys who have a stake in what's said in the documentary. In other words, they're propaganda. I tell you what, the Willie Mays documentary on HBO, very disappointing. The documentary isn't the right way to describe it. This is an entertainment thing. a documentary. I mean, documentaries can be entertaining. We need to come up with a new word.

Yeah, but is that what they're calling it? Are they calling it a documentary? I don't even know if they are. Yes. Yes, they are. Netflix, no, they're calling it a docu series. Okay. Okay. No, I know what you're saying, but if it's done, if it's done well, which Netflix seems to everything well, I have a feeling it'll be entertaining.

And that's all I care about. I'm sure it'll be entertaining. I mean, this isn't Ken Burns doing it. I know. I just feel insulted sometimes when they call these things documentary. Like I'm some kind of idiot. I don't know that you're not showing me anything that you don't want me to see. What's the, what's, Dope Sick was the last, that was probably called a docu series as

well. I don't think that was a docu-series. That might be a docu-drama. Well, but it was many episodes, which is why I would describe it as a series. Yeah, I mean, look, but you see, if they're calling the Kirk, the quarterback thing at Docu Series, you're not having actors playing Patrick Mahomes and Kirk. No, no, you're not. That's true. That's true, of course. Right. So it's not, it was more of just a drama, right? A drama, probably a drama series or a drama mini series. That was good, though. And it was sort of, it was sort of document, it was sort of a bit of a documentary like drama, because it was all true.

I got the book as a result. It's on my list of things to read. I haven't gotten to it yet. Okay. Anything else? We're getting this out before Bianami, so we won't be commenting on Bianami, as we said at the beginning. That's starting here in about five minutes.

So we're done for the day unless you've got anything else, boss. Well, I mean, look, boss, I mean, people will be able to tune in tomorrow to listen to comments about Bianemy with Cooley. I think that might happen. We're done for the day back tomorrow.