The Kevin Sheehan Show - Not Enough Love At 7

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

Kevin opened up with responses to listeners who believe he's wrong about Notre Dame RB Jeremyiah Love. Former Skins' WR Anthony Armstrong joined Kevin to talk Commanders' free agency, Brandon Aiyuk, and the draft. NFL Draft expert Bo Marchionte jumped on with a draft preview which includes his thoughts on what Washington will have available at #7 overall and who he would take.   For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Our listeners get the Harry’s Plus Trial Set for only $10 at https://www.Harrys.com/[INSERT CODE]  #Harryspod For all your garden needs: fastgrowingtrees.com/sheehan Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Heavy football show. A lot of draft talk on the show today. Two guests to help me out.

Former Skins receiver Anthony Armstrong will join me in the next segment. Anthony does a Skins podcast with our good friend Scott Jackson. Following Anthony, one of my favorite draft experts, Bo Marchanti, will jump on. Bo has been on with me for the last four or five years. This time of year, he's excellent. Stay tuned for Bo at the end of the show. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, Windonation. 86690 Nation or WindowNation.com. If you need new windows, mention my name. They'll come out and give you a fast, free in home estimate. Three tweets, emails to read to open up the show, all having to do with Jeremiah Love.

This from ND85, ND85, I assume is a Notre Dame 85 grad, maybe. ND85 writes, can't believe how wrong you're going to be on Jeremiah Love. He's the best player in the draft, according to Kuiper and others, not sure why. You are a non-believer. This from Jim T. Jim T writes, last year, Damien Martinez, and this year, Jeremiah Love.

You've lost your touch on running backs, Kev. I've been following your running back calls going back to Devin Singletary. Yeah, I did call Devin Singletary. I called Devin Singletary like in August when he played like one of those Week Zero games. He writes, Chase Brown, Tyler, Alger, and you really liked this year's Super Bowl MVP, Walker.

But you've lost your fastball because I can't come up with a reason that you're so down on love. Yeah, I love Damien Martinez last year. As a day three pick, as a day three pick, and he didn't stick with anybody. Look, there could be a lot of reasons for that. And who knows, maybe he'll get an opportunity this year. And then I got this from Derek. Derek writes, I'm a Notre Dame fan and totally agree with you on Jeremiah Love that he's not the same as Bejohn Robinson and some of the other elites. But I think he's going to be a first of him. Kevin, he's a bull with high level track speed, a big brain and soft hands.

Look at the big brain on Jeremiah. So look, I need to start with this to all three of you. The descriptions of the Jeremiah Love to Washington at number seven by me are not what you've described. I haven't said that I'm a non-believer. I haven't said that I'm really down on him. I like Jeremiah Love. I just don't like him at number seven. I don't like him in the top half of the first round.

I think the only way you take a running back that high end. in the draft, that high in the draft, is if you're convinced he's a can't miss superstar, you know, capable of carrying an offense. You can find running backs in the draft on night two, you know, on day three. You know, other positions, too, that come with much higher contractual value, salary levels, you know, where it's valuable to have a player on a rookie contract. if that player is a quarterback or an edge pass rusher or a left tackle or a wide receiver. You don't get that value with a running back. You don't get the value of, oh, we've got them on his rookie deal.

Running backs don't make enough money to be concerned about their rookie deal. You know, running backs come many of them on night two, day three of the draft. I'm not taking a running back in the top half of the first round. unless I think that running back is going to be elite, you know, capable of carrying an offense, like Bejohn Robinson, like Christian McCaffrey, like Sequin Barclay, you know, even Seyquin, like he didn't do it with the Giants, you know, it's not like he elevated the Giants to greatness. And you could say that about Bejan Robinson as well. They haven't played in a playoff game, but if you've watched the Falcons, I mean, this guy led the league,

He had 2,200 total reception in rushing yards last year. I mean, it's ridiculous. Derek Henry's carried a team at times. I think Gibbs is kind of close to that category. Maybe Jonathan Taylor, too. But I wouldn't even put those two guys in the Bijan McCaffrey class. And I just don't think Jeremiah Love is that. I think he could be great.

I think he could be a Jonathan Taylor or a Josh Jacobs faster version. or some of these other really good backs that aren't Bijon or McCaffrey, I just think if it's my team, you've got to be, you know, in that superstar class to get picked that high. And I don't see Love that way. That's all. But I see him as an excellent prospect, just not elite enough to take that high in the draft.

I found something earlier this morning before the radio show that should be at least food for thought for those of you that really hope Washington takes Jeremiah Love at 7 and for, you know, the three emailers and people who tweeted me, Jim T and ND85 and Derek were the three. What I found in kind of looking at Jeremiah Love's two years of being the primary back, remember, they've got price in the backfield. two. He is going to be, you know, maybe the second or third running back taken in this draft. Really kind of amazing that this team has that kind of, you know, NFL running back potential on the same team. But Judarian Price could end up going, you know, pretty early on night two.

But what I found going back through Jeremiah Love's two seasons as one of the, you know, main offensive playmakers, is I found that he did not perform very well against top line defenses. And a lot of his best games came against some of the true bottom tier defensive teams. Now, in 2024, he was hurt. You know, he's been hurt a couple of times in college. He had the banged up knee late in the year going into those playoff games against Georgia and Penn State and then the national championship game against Ohio State. he didn't play at a high level at all in the playoffs against those teams.

Georgia, Penn State, Ohio State, three really good defensive teams. I mean, do you even want to hear what he was statistically in those games? It's not fair to him because he was banged up and didn't play as much. But six carries 19 yards against Georgia, 11 for 46 against Penn State and the semis, and four carries three yards against Ohio State, where he was really banged up and really impacted to the point where he just didn't play enough in that championship game. And look, he was a bit of a warrior in some of those games, knowing that he had a banged-up knee and playing the way he did, I think in many ways was, you know, a big feather in his cap

when you look at the toughness of this guy, and he is tough. but let's take this past season. He did get injured, you know, injured a rib late in the season before the season finale against Stanford. Then they didn't get into the playoff and they didn't go to a bowl game, et cetera. But here is some, I think, interesting information as it relates to Jeremiah Love's senior year. Their first two opponents this year, Miami on Labor Day weekend, and then Texas A&M week two, were both top 20. defensive football teams. In Miami's case, they were 12 overall yards allowed. They were the sixth best rush defense in the, uh, in college football. And look, their defense was a big reason why they

made it to the national championship game. Texas A&M's defense was outstanding as well. Uh, 18th nationally, you know, out of 136, uh, division one college football teams. Those were by far and away the two best defensive teams that Notre Dame faced this year. And in those games, I know they were early in the season, but Jeremiah Love against the Canes in the season opener, 10 carries 33 yards, zero touchdowns rushing, longest carry was for eight yards, four catches, 26 yards. So not super productive. In fact, Judarian Price was more productive in that particular game. against Miami. He rushed for 45 yards on six carries, 7.5 yards per carry against the Keynes. Love at 10 for 33 was 3.3 yards per carry. Then in week two against a very good

Texas A&M defense in a classic game in South Bend. Notre Dame missed an extra point that would have forced overtime at the end of that game. But in that game, Jeremiah Love, 23 carries 94 yards, not terrible. 4.1 yards per carry, one touchdown. Not, you know, at the level that you would say, oh my God, he carried the team. He didn't do that. He had four catches for 53 yards in the game as well.

C.J. Carr, the quarterback in that game, threw for 293. Judarian Price, once again in that game, 5.7 yards per carry to Love's 4.1 yards per carry. But then you get to his big games this year. And let me, you know, start with a few of them.

He rushed for 228 yards against USC. SC was terrible defensively this year. He rushed for 171 yards against Syracuse on just eight carries, three touchdowns. I mean, it was a dominant performance. Every time he touched it, he was, you know, he averaged 21.4 yards per carry. Well, Syracuse, out of 136 Division 1 teams, was ranked 126th defensively. I mean, they were horrific defensively. Early in the year against Arkansas, he had a really good game.

He had four touchdowns in the game. It was 14 for 57 on the ground, but five catches for 70 yards. Four touchdowns in total, Arkansas was ranked 122nd defensively out of 136 teams. They were terrible on defense. He went for 157 and two touchdowns against Purdue in week three. Purdue was ranked 120th out of 136 teams. Against Boston College, 17 for a buck 36, eight yards per carry. Boston College was ranked 128th out of 136 teams on defense.

And then in the season finale against Stanford, he was banged up. but he was playing against the 105th ranked defense in the country, 14 for 66 in that game. So there is evidence that he ran really well against the worst defensive teams Notre Dame faced, and they had a lot of them on the schedule this year. And you see some of those highlights from some of those games. I mean, the holes are gaping, gaping. And then against Miami in the opener, the best defensive team he faced all year, 10 for 33. Against the second best team defensively they faced all year, 23 carries 94 yards.

Look, he was good in that Texas A&M game, but he wasn't elite in that game. So, again, just something to chew on as we go through the next month. He's a very, very good college back, and I think he's going to be a very, very good NFL back, just not number seven for me. I guess I could go back and look at Bijan and look at Gibbs and look at McCaffrey in college, you know, defensive ranks and what they did. Bejon was spectacular at Texas. Spectacular. And Jeremiah loves spectacular at Notre Dame, just not against the best defensive. teams that they faced this year.

The NFL officially announced that Seattle will open up the NFL season at home. So they worked out the soccer conflict, the baseball conflict. But the Seahawks will open up on Wednesday night, September 9th at 820. And we talked about this last week. The reason it's a Wednesday night is on. the following night, Thursday night, September 10th, the 49ers and Rams will play each other in Australia. That game's scheduled to kick at 835. So we've got our first two NFL games or, you know, locations, one matchup, one still to be determined on who Seattle will play in that opener.

They play Washington next year, but here, not in Seattle. There are a lot of options. for Seattle's kickoff game. We'll get to that when we get to mock schedule time of the year. What else did I have for you before we get to guests? Joe Flacco re-signed today with the Cincinnati Bengals. He started a bunch of games last year when Joe Burrow was hurt, and they traded Cleveland, traded him to Cincinnati, and he played really well.

And he was hurt, too. He had an injured shoulder. But, you know, last year he threw for 2,479 yards and 15 touchdowns in what turned out to be in Cincinnati, nine starts. He had four starts in Cleveland. And there were some memorable games. I mean, Flacco was throwing the ball all over the park. He threw for 470 and four touchdowns. in a 47 to 42 loss to the Bears.

God, the Bengals were bad on defense. The Bengals and our team, the two worst defensive teams, threw for 3-42 on a Thursday night classic against Aaron Rogers and the Steelers that they won 33 to 31. He actually ended up, my fault, he ended up starting six games for the Bengals and four for Cleveland. and then he got banged up and then Joe Burrow came back at the end of the year.

But anyway, Flacco re-signed on a one-year deal with the Bengals to back up Joe Burrow. And he said that while he's really happy to be in Cincinnati, he said, you know, believe me, I wish I was a guy somewhere. and I think teams are dumb for not having me be that guy, closed quote. He said also it pisses him off that he didn't get signed to be a starter somewhere. You know, I think about him, I've always been a Flacco fan for sure. I just think he's been during the course of his now super long career going back to 2008 with the Ravens. He's been one of the best clutch performers at that position that the league is seen.

No, I don't think Joe Flacco is an elite-level quarterback, but I'll tell you what, man, nobody spins it like he does. And he knows how to play the game. And at 41 years old, with Joe Burroughs' injury history, who knows? He might be playing again. But, you know, I do think about some of the spots. Like, why wouldn't Arizona want Joe Flacco? to come in and start at quarterback. I mean, they have Jacoby Brissette.

Right now, he's probably their starting quarterback. Why wouldn't the Jets? Now, I don't know that he'd want to go back to the Jets. But certainly, you know, if Aaron Rogers doesn't go back to Pittsburgh, I think Cousins would end up in Pittsburgh if Aaron Rogers doesn't go back. But that would be the perfect spot for Flacco. and then he's played for all four NFC North teams. Other sports from last night,

the Caps lost a game that I know hurt. I mean, if they're going to make a run back into contention, you got to beat St. Louis, and they got shut out bite St. Louis three to nothing. The Caps' chances are really fading quickly. They've got 79 points, and the second wild card team right now is a tie between two teams with 85 points. There's also a team with 84 and a team with 80 in front of them.

So they've got 10 games left. They've played a game more than virtually everybody that's in the hunt for a playoff spot. So last night was a game they had to get. They got that point against Colorado the other night, which was huge for. them. But losing at St. Louis, you know, that's a game that they had to get and they were unable to get. I'm going to save all my Sweet 16 stuff for tomorrow's show with Tommy, but I'll have picks on all four of the Sweet 16 games tomorrow night. The DC games are Friday night, but man, this Sweet 16 is an outstanding Sweet 16. Meantime, between the time that the show ended,

yesterday and this one started Hubert Davis gone at North Carolina. Look, they're going to go outside the family for the first time. It's always been a family business in terms of the North Carolina coach. They're going to go get Nate Oates or they're going to go get Billy Donovan. It's going to be somebody outside the family because there aren't really any true candidates within the Chapel Hill, North Carolina family. And there were a lot of rumors going around today on social media that Bill Self at Kansas was retiring, but he denied those reports or those social media rumors on him. Now, there's a chance he'll end up retiring. He's 63 years old. He's done a hell of a job at Kansas.

They lost, you know, a heartbreaker in the second round to St. John's. All right, I think that's all I got here for the opening segment. Let's get to our guy Anthony Armstrong. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey, guys, I introduced you last month to a product called Mando, a product I received for the first time, about three months ago, I guess. I'm a huge fan, and I am a customer now. I use this deodorant everywhere because it's a deodorant meant to be used everywhere.

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Of course, Anthony played in Washington in 2010, 2011, number 13, wide receiver. He does a podcast with our good friend Scott Jackson on the Believe Network. And he also does a locked on podcast as well. We've had Anthony on the show before. Man, it's been a busy offseason for us so far. hasn't it? It has been a busy,

it's been a good off season to be covering the commanders, I'll say that much. Like, normally it's just like, what are we doing here? Now it's like,

hey, this guy has a plan. Well, look, having me, Kenna. You, you weren't around for some,

there was a time, Anthony, in which the most exciting part of the, you know, Skins, uh, Washington football team

calendar was basically March through April because nothing good happened during the regular season. You know, one of my favorite all-time lines from, you know, our good friend, one, Richard Doc Walker, Doc used to say about our team, we excel Monday through Saturdays. Sundays are the problem. And he would say, you know, about the off-season, the off-season was always exciting.

But, you know, this was an off-season in which we had a ton of needs. So how do you think the team did? You know, initially you jump out. You think they won free agency. He was like, hey, man, where are we at? But, you know, honestly, I think it wasn't too bad that we missed out on some of those bigger, you know, named guys, I guess, coming out like Allen, Pearson and whatnot. But getting Addafei Oway, you check a box at Edge.

You get Leo Chenal, you check a box at linebacker. You add more depth at edge. You go, go, you know, reach back a little bit if you use, you get Diami Brown to get a receiver. I think he did a good job checking a lot of boxes, but there still work to be done. You know, so I think sitting right now, you know, a little under a month until the draft cab. I'm cool with where they're at. I'm like, okay, cool, there's a plan now,

and then I think it kind of helps you determine what you're going to do come draft time. As a receiver, you felt okay missing out on Pierce? You know, the thing with the receiver market is you're either paying for, you're going to have to overpay for potential and hope that the person gets there. Or, you know, it seems like you're going to have to pay for an older player who's been proven. And for me, I was leaning towards a more proven player to where that person's presence is going to affect the defense. Because I can see right now, week one, whoever Washington

is supposed to play, they're going to put up safety over the top of Terry McLaurin, and they're going to make that other receiver, whoever it is, be it Chigacanquo, be it whoever breaks out from this group or whoever's drafted, they're going to have to earn enough respect to have the defense adjust to them. You know what I mean? Yeah. So not having, not getting period, I don't know if Alec Pierce was going to answer that question because he was playing alongside Michael Pittman. You know, Michael Pittman is a top receiver in the league.

And now he's going to go over there in Pittsburgh. Can he do it by himself? You know, he's going to get one-on-one coverage, but, you know, so I wasn't mad missing out on that because it was just, you know, so much unknown in my eyes. But I was hoping to get maybe a Mike Evans or something like that. but I'm not mad at him going to Canada, going out there to be with Kyle and Chanahan. So when you think about it, everybody went to places that probably made more sense for them. And I don't think it's necessarily a slight to Washington, but you have to consider.

I bet some folks are like, well, we don't know what your offensive coordinator is going to do. You can tell us what the plan is and we don't have anything on tape on it. So, you know, maybe that came into consideration, but there's still some answers at that receiver's spot. Yeah. Well, you know what? let's stick with receiver because it's on my list of things to talk to you about. And since we've started there, let's continue there. And let me get your thoughts on Brandon Ayuk.

If he is released by San Francisco, would you? You know, I've been on the side of just kind of staying away from it. For one, because there's so much it has to happen before he gets there. But the reason I'm saying I don't want to deal with it is just because it's a lot of dollars to have walked away from. And regardless of what happened until we're going to be. we know what happened. Nobody's saying anything. And that's something odd about that.

And, you know, respectfully, I always say, man, I hope everything is going right mentally. Like, I don't know. It just seems like something that is odd. Only other person that did something like that was Dave Chappelle. And everybody said he was crazy for it. And he finally came back around and said, hey, this was the reason. So until you get that story, you don't know. Now, is it going to be the same player on the field?

I hope so. You know, people want to reach back a couple of years. I'm like, I get that, and he's James Homeboy, and I get all of that. But I kind of feel like we've done a good job of getting away from having drama circle new organization. You know, there was drama last year, and that was just going around resigning Terry. And, you know, to invite that back in, you know, D.C. media is going to do their job. They're going to ask about it. They're going to dig.

And, you know, obviously, Austin tried to stay tight lip, but it's just going to be something to hang around, but I think I'd pass on. I think Chappelle walked away from like 50 million. Ayuk, Iuk walked away from, at the very least, $30 million. And what you said, like, is what I have

is the stumbling block for me, like, even if he is mentally, let's just say, fit, and he's not insane, it's still terrible judgment what he did. You know, even if there's another side to it, I think we all know that all he had to do, was show up a couple of times a month and get his knee checked,

and he would have never forfeited a dollar no matter what his condition was. But let's just say that, you know, in terms of mental stability, it's there, they release them, so there's no draft compensation. You can work out, you know, a one-year heavily incentivized contract, and you're getting the player physically that he was before the injury. Let's go back to that. Did you like the player when he was at his peak before the contract that he ended up signing in 2023? Because I thought he was one of the best receivers in the league that year.

Yeah, he was. He was definitely dominant. He plays bigger than his height. Yeah. He was 6-1. He has really long arms. And my biggest thing for the receiver room, they're missing, like, speed as a straight burner, and then they're missing some height.

So they need somebody that's going to be able to play above the rim. But he was able to do that. So, you know, if you're getting that player back, yeah, you know, if everything checks out, yeah, you can add him. You know, he's going to be a piece, but it's still going to be which one of these receivers breaks out. You know, it's not a set answer right now. You know, it feels like it's just Terry.

and the crew. You know what I mean? It's Terry and the crew and somebody's going to step up. Somebody's going to have a great summer. They're going to turn that into a great training camp and then they're going to follow it up with a great, you know, preseason and boom, there's your receiver too. But right now, there's just too many question marks to really feel confident about who it's going to be. Yeah, it's really the one. It's the area I think we're all focused on, on how is it going to improve between now and training camp. They did, you know, a week and a half ago, bring back Diami Brown. They signed Van Jefferson. What did you think of those two signings? They addressed the deep speed or they at least put an effort towards that.

And they get some people who play that game and who are used to playing down the field. I think Diommy, he did a great job, finishing the playoffs. And he had a great finish to it to get that contract down there in Jacksonville just wasn't able to make it into a larger off-field production. So I like him coming back because you likely get a more mature receiver, right? You get somebody who's been elsewhere. He's been on other pastures, and he wanted to come back up here, you know? So if he's still able to get down the field, that's a death of plus. But if he's learned some things from, you know, Brian Thomas and those other guys down there in Jackson Field to separate himself in this crew, it could be a huge signing for Adam Peters.

Are you a Juan Jennings fan? I know that he doesn't solve. the stretch the field opposite Terry, you know, role, but were you prior to free agency, a guy that was interested in him? Yeah, I like him. I think he's been consistent. I think that after a while, you know, you kind of get pegged as a certain system guy or a shenan guy, and he's kind of in that role, but, you know, he's going to give you that size.

He's going to give you somebody that can consistently, you know, line up at X and handle his business. gives you an opportunity to unlock where Terry McCorn lines up, let him move around a bit. So he's somebody I could work with. You know, how are you going to implement him in the offense and make sure he feel, you know, valued? It's going to be another thing because, you know,

he was trying to, I think he was trying to get traded, and he was trying to get a new contract out there in San Francisco, they didn't budget neither. So he wants to be valued, right? If AP can, you know, make him feel that way, then maybe he can get him in the building. giving jaden more you know talent more playmakers on offenses obviously i think where everybody's head is at you know heading towards the draft so let's jump to that

tell me what you're hopeful uh for what do you what's your wish for Washington at seven who do you want to see end up being available and who do you want to see him take I tweeted way back it was the national championship game I was like Man, Ruben Bain would be great at seven. And that felt like a pipe dream. But now it feels like it's something that could be, you know, on the table. It could be plausible. But the best part is that there's probably about a good handful of names

that are going to be there at seven for the commanders and wouldn't really be mad at any of them. Now, my first goal coming out of it was like, you need to find a defensive disruptor, right? Pass rush for who's going to get back there to the quarterback and really change the game for you? that way. You know, we saw how the defense performed last year, so you need to make an investment

there. Now, you know, are they done with it with O-A? You know, maybe. But the issue for me, Kevin, there's no second round pick. It's a long way to 71. So if you get, wherever you get at seven, like, you got to wait a long time to give an impactful player. So I would say go defensive disruptor, whoever's available there.

But it could also end up being Caleb down, you know, a really sound football. player that's going to be like an air traffic controller, take care of the back in, make sure they're aligned, and maybe he allows you to play a little bit more aggressive and shut some things down because of his flexibility. So you've got to have the trust in the scouting. The guy down in LSU, Delane, he just ran a really fast 40. 4-3 guy. There's been a recent trend of bringing guys back home, if you will.

Maryland Terp guys, guys that are from the area, Durante Jones. Nick Cross, O-Way, I think, and then a conqueror as well. So, you know, Delane's from Silver Spring. Could you trade back a little bit, get a court? He might have played his way into the top 10, but, you know, there's so many ways to move at 7 where I think that you could drop back, pick up a second round pick, and then have three impactful players in the first second and third round.

And that right there would probably be my wish. You didn't mention Jeremiah Love's, so what do you think of him? I think he's a great player, right? So, like, the talent is there, but is that the most glaring need on the team? You know what I mean? Are you going to hope for a shootout every week, or are we going to try to make sure our defense can get a stop? I still feel there's more needs on the defensive side, and there's more impactful players available on defense that is there,

whereas he's a great running back, but it's kind of a nice to have. have type of a situation. Man, I'm with you on Bain. Just his performance throughout that postseason was just dominant, but his, you know, his arm length is definitely going to, I think, impact his draft status to the wide receivers. What do you think of Carnell Tate? I'm, I hate that he ran a 451. You know, I hate that he ran a 4-5.

I mean, if he would have ran a 4-4-4-4-7, you know, I think that you feel a lot more comfortable about him being up there. But he's producing college. You know, the Ohio State has done a great job putting receivers in the league. So you know he's going to play well. If you go receiver at 7, it's just going to make me question what's going to happen until 71.

You know, that's that same scenario kind of pops up. Are they going to find a way to get some more draft capital? You know, which way are they going to go? So each move you make, you're going to have more questions. More questions.

If they go Tate over Love, I think that's going to be probably the biggest questions. It's probably easier to sell a Downs or a Sunny Stiles over Love than it is going to Tate overlove. But, hell, love is probably going to be gone to Tennessee. So in a receiver draft that's deep, but it's interesting that there's not been a lot of movement at the top. And frankly, let me go say this. I wouldn't necessarily jump at Tate just because of the receiver depth big. so vast, right? There are really quality

receivers at smaller school that I think I'm looking at like a Skylar Bell, he's in the Yukon. If you want to go size and speed, you look at the guy out of Cincinnati Jeff Caldwell, he's like 6'5, ran a 4-3, right? So you're taking a chance on, you know,

you being able to develop this person but you aren't necessarily trying to have to force the ball to a number seven overall pick. Right, Terry's going to get 10. David Ardard said it. You know what I mean? So now, how are you going to take care of your other first round pick as well?

So there's going to be ways to cut this pie. It's going to be interesting. You know, it sounds like you've looked at a lot of the receivers in the draft. What about Denzel Boston from Washington? I mean, the size. I mean, to me, when I watched him this year, there was a lot of Mike Evans in him. Did you see that?

I didn't see a whole bunch of his tape during the season. I read up on him a little after. That was a name that they gave. And like you said, I'm, like, I'm big on the body types, right? Like, that's, that's kind of how you're going to have to fit the bill for me. And that's kind of how they play in this game now. Is everybody wants to be a 50-50 guy or they catch the ball on the slide and make somebody miss? And the ultimate question mark to this, Kevin, is what the hell is the offense going to look like?

You know, like, how does David Blower unlock these guys skills? So if you do get a Boston, you know, one-on-one, you know, throw it up to him. Like, yeah, that's what Mike Evans did. I love that bully ball type of a thing. And it's good to have that type. Right? So if you get him, yeah, I'll check the box. I'm going to trust the scouts.

I'm going to trust the people that get paid the big money to go and follow these guys all year long. So I wouldn't be mad to Boston making it there just due to his physical stature. You know, it's really good point because I think sometimes we get so caught up as fans. and who are they going to sign from other teams, who are they going to draft? You've got two new coordinators, and we don't know enough about what they're going to be doing. I think we have a sense of what Blow will end up doing. It'll be a combination of sort of the Shanahan style and Ben Johnson, and maybe we'll see more 12 and 13 personnel and more under center and all of that stuff.

But to your point, for all we know, he thinks Traylon Burks is going to be his number one receiver. he's in love with him or he thinks somebody like, you know, Jacori Brooks, who kind of looked apart at times in the preseason, or maybe Luke McCaffrey, and on the other side, maybe Durante Jones is in love with Jordan McGee or Johnny Newton. Like there's a lot of that fit and scheme. And look, you were probably one of those guys, you know, that it had to be the right place, right coach, right scheme for you to get those opportunities. Yeah, 100%

And you don't You don't Overestimate those situations You know Like, I think Diami coming back You probably Understand what David Blow can do

And probably And I even thought about this Sometimes those lower level coaches Like when you're not You're the quarterback assistant You're the guy that's Throwing the ball To the other receiver

You know what I mean? Yeah He's probably had conversations With Diami Like man We've got to get you on one of these routes. We've got to get you.

You know what I mean? So he's had conversation with players about what they do well. And he's probably pushed for them to do things. So that was probably an easy sign. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't have the best summer that he's had in his NFL career, really starts to make a big name for himself this all season. So it's going to be interesting. Like if they don't make a big jump for a receiver early, then that means they really believe

in who they brought in. And they're going to let this thing play out. There's going to be a hell of a rate to pay attention to. Yeah, that's a really good point. Like some of these position coaches, sometimes they know more than even the head coach and the coordinator about a specific player, hey, if we just got him into this, you know, situation, he would really thrive.

And maybe there are a couple of those guys on the team. All right. Last one, and maybe it's perfect in dovetailing with what we were just talking about. Is there a player or two on all? offense or defense that you kind of have a gut feel has been underutilized and, you know, come next year. And the coordinator question is, you know, a difficult one. And we've already gone through that.

But has there been a player that you've really thought for the last couple of years? Once he gets his chance, he's going to break out. You know, that's a great question. On defense, my mind went to the young safety, Kwanmark. And the reason is I feel like last year was, I'd say stolen from him in the instance that with the injury going on to Will Harris, he was forced to go back and play in that high safety spot. And there were a lot of situations where there was, you know, either busted coverages or lack of communication. And it put him in some bad spots and it looked like it was bad angles. And it frankly made people think that he wasn't good.

And I don't think that that's the case that, you know, the way that Devin was. Witherspoon has been utilized out there in Seattle. That's the kind of vision that I have for Kwan Martin. So go back to the draft. Let's say you trade back a little bit. You find your way with the dynamic safety out of Oregon. That maybe he can play up high and it gives you a chance to let Kwan be more of an attacker, get close to the line of scrimmage, and create confusion for quarterback.

So he's one guy that I think probably has a skill fit that can be unlocked. Um, that offensive side, ooh, ooh, oh, man, chig is going to be interesting. I think he's going to be a gym as I watch more of his take because he's so big and athletic. I was thinking earlier, like, you could line him up as the wide, the number one receiver, but, you know, all the way further to the outside, depending on how the defense relates to it, he may be running around against a corner, you know, if it's man, and they'll tell

you that. It means Terry gets to move around. So he could be a big chess piece for this offense to kind of understand. lock where guys can go and just how creative this offense can be. What's your best memory from playing here for two years? Man, running off the field, catching that touchdown against Green Bay and then winning that game and it was just electric. The whole place was loud.

It's probably one of the few times fans where there's a whole damn game. So that was pretty cool. And that picture made on NFL.com. So I was like, wow, I remember that moment. It was just erupted from all the cheers when the ball hit my hands. Yeah. I mean, that team was, that team in that moment was, I think, three in one or three and two. Because, you know, we opened up.

That was the Shanahan first season. And, you know, he's told me a million times, by the way, over the years. Do you remember the second game of the year when we beat Dallas in the Sunday night opener? and then Donovan McNabb threw for like 400 yards against Houston and Mike told me several times if he actually knew the playbook he would have thrown for five to 600 yards

that that's how much was out there for him. Do you remember that game? I'm pulling it up right now to see what your stats were because I know you played. I didn't do a whole lot that game. I was like finding my role. That was the game that Andre Johnson Moss read Doughty in the corner

We were like, why was he on him? Yeah How did y'all, like, why didn't y'all just call a time out And be like, no, no, no, there's no way We're going to allow this to happen. But, no, Donovan was cooking. The thing with that office, man, it was like, it's meant to be operated a specific way.

You know, you have to follow it a certain way. But I don't know, it was fun times, man, fun time. Yeah. You know, I think that that, the 20s, 10 season was interesting because there was so much drama especially late in the year with Donovan and, you know,

with Rex, you know, taking over and the Monday night, what we refer to is the Monday night massacre. You know, they announced that kind of phony baloney contract extension for McNabb, and then we went out there and Vic on the first play throws it

at, you know, over Laurent Landry's head, right? Was it Lauren Landry's head? Yeah, I hate to it. As farthest I've ever seen a person throw a football field site. DeShon Jackson. And it was just a weird year,

but the team wasn't terrible in many of those games. Even late in the year, I mean, you guys were kind of hanging in there and always competitive. But anyway, always good to catch up. Hope you're doing well. Again, you can follow Anthony on X

at rated Armstrong, and then you can get links to his podcasts from his ex account. Appreciate you doing this. Take care. Welcome to you. Appreciate you, man. Former skins receiver Anthony Armstrong, everybody. All right, up next, we're going

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Bo is with us at Bo Marchanti on X. He's with college to pro.com. Welcome back to the show. Always enjoy these draft conversations. with you every year. So let's just start with, where is this draft, you know, relative to others? Is it as bad at the top, as people say? I don't think it's as bad as the top. I just, you know, the NFL is built on quarterback, so we're not talking about, you know, Michael Pennix, Bow, Knicks, and all those guys all going within the top, like 12 picks of the draft.

So, you know, you're going to have Fernando Mendoza going number one, and then we're going to linger on to, does I Simpson go somewhere in the mid-round? Or does he slip the Friday night in round two? So the quarterbacks are the generator. They're the motor that runs the league. And without top quarterback guys, it kind of sounds quiet. But I do think this draft, it wasn't loved it first, but I think when you start to look at it, and as we kind of build towards April 23rd through the 25th, downtown Pittsburgh,

the 2026 NFL draft, I think people are going to start to grow full. fondly of this crew. Look, we're in a position for the first time in a while last year as well. We're quarterbacks not on our mind, fortunately, because it was for decades. But I am curious as to what you think of the quarterbacks, because I was listening to something yesterday where Dan Orlovsky at ESPN not only said he likes Ty Simpson more than Mendoza, but he said he talked to many teams that feel the same way. Do you think it's close between those two?

Well, draft-wise, I don't think it's close. Is that fair enough? I mean, we know Mandoza is going number one, and I think it's fair enough that we don't know where Tysons is going to go. It's hard to argue anything against Fernando Mendoza. You know, you're talking about a guy who won the Heisman. He brought Indiana football, not basketball, a title. When you're in Ushurland, when you think, hey,

how are we going to win a national championship? you're thinking of Bobby Knight and Isaiah Thomas and the Hoosiers, you're not thinking about a football team, but they did it, and they did it well, and they dominated a lot of those games. And it was the Heisland guy that, you know, Mandelaza that did it. You know, when I watch Mendoza, I'm not convinced that he's the guy, like an Andrew Locke, a Peyton Manning, some of the guys that kind of get thrown into that elite level as the guy,

but it's hard to argue the result, and that's where you get stuck in the judgment of that guy. When I watched I Simpson, and even before he went live, I was just kind of going through my notes of, you know, what I have on him. You know, he's a jitterbug in the pocket. We got one year on him. He reminds me of a Baker Mayfield a little bit jacked up on like, you know, Red Bull. You know what I mean? Like when you watch Ty Simpson, he's in the pocket, he plays fast, he thinks fast.

And he has a cannon. When you watch a hit throw, I mean, he can throw the football. So, you know, I think it's what you're looking at. in terms of what teams desire. Do you know, do you want that big guy in the pocket? You know, because, man, those kind of fits that prototypical, you know, hey, we want a guy above six-three. We want a guy in the 220s, but he's above that.

And then you, and all the other prospects, besides a few, you know, a Ty Simpson, you know, they're not the prototypical height weight, what you want in that position. But I like Ty Simpson. You know, long-term, I wish I knew if I knew, and I'd probably be working as a GM for the NFL. Yeah, of course. I like both prospects.

Is that fair enough? I don't think any of these guys, I don't consider them elite. They could become elite, but if you tell me either one of these guys, you know what, I'll tell you this, Kevin. I think if one of them fails, I would think Mendoza fails before Simpson failed, but that makes up. Bumer Bust, I think the, you know, I think Simpson is just an intriguing prospect because, you know, one year you always just think,

what if this guy has more development? And we know, and you know this as well, and I love coming on your podcast because you're so intelligent about all this draft stuff and the insight that goes into it. You know, it takes a team, a coaching staff, a quarterback, a quarterback coach to help develop these guys. And if they find that, then you're in a good spot.

I'll tell you the thing that I love about Mendoza is I just think he is so accurate as a thrower. I mean, and that is something that, you know, if you don't have it naturally, Mike Shanahan used to tell me this all the time with throwing with anticipation and accuracy or the two things that you better have naturally because you can coach it up to good,

but if it's not naturally there, it'll never be elite. And I think his accuracy is elite. Am I wrong? No, you're not wrong. And this is the only thing that scares me on, Fernando Mendoza. When I watch his tape,

I see a guy that's very, clean in the pocket. And that's what makes me nervous is. In the NFL, the pockets may not be that clean. How, like, we assume he's going to the Las Vegas. He's going to be the Raiders, you know, starting quarterback. How well are they going to be being able to protect him? And that's where I get nervous.

But, you know, you know, at this point, we're trying to break down, you know, what they can't do, how they can succeed, and all those other things. But, I mean, there's certain guys like a Mandoza. I mean, you talk about a Cinderella story about coming from Cal, going to Indiana, and even going from Cal to Indiana, he's not going from Alabama to Ohio State. He's still going, and this is no, you know, insult to these. But, you know, we know who the powerhouses of Collegiate College football are, and Indiana and Cal aren't those schools.

And if Fernando Mendoza was that guy, then all those schools would have, you know, signed him and brought him in on Nile cash. but his demeanor, the way he presents himself, and he's almost like a nerdy Peyton Manning. You know, but you love it because he is all football. He's 100% doubt in, and that's a huge asset to have. Listen, I want Mandoza to succeed. I want all the quarterback to succeed because there's nothing worse about watching football

on a Sunday, especially on Thursday night. we always get those Thursday night games where you look at the schedule like who's playing. They're like, oh, it's incredible how each team cannot have a quarterback for 17 weeks with that schedule, what we find it. And I hope these guys succeed because you want to see Burrough and Mahomes and Hallen and Moimar Jackson and all the elite quarterbacks in the NFL plan. And if these guys become those guys, it just makes better for us to enjoy the game we love. I don't know why I'm talking about quarterbacks with you because it does not, you know, apply to us. But I'm, you know, I think football fans in general are always interested.

I at the very beginning of the season, especially when they beat Notre Dame in the opener, I remember coming in here and saying, you know what? I think Carson Beck is going to be a top 10 pick in the draft. Now, he's not going to be. There were some really horrific moments during the regular season in some of the, you know, and that loss against Louisville when he threw four picks. But I thought he was so good in the postseason. And I've noticed recently that he's climbed into a lot of, like, number three QB spots for a lot of guys.

Where is he for you? He's three for me. He is. And you've got to think Carson back, Grant and Osmire from LSU, these guys, you know, a year ago, two years ago, these guys were the number one picks of the draft, but they elected to go back this. school. So, you know, it changed its trajectory. Logan Thomas, the Virginia Tech quarterback, but there was one point back in the day where he was the number one quarterback going in,

and then he ends up becoming a tight end into the national football league. So, you know, things change. And, you know, their national, blessed to they sent out a spring grade and the fall grade. And within that time, a guy can change. And, you know, that happens for every prospect, no matter how good you think you are. I mean, look at Archmanning. When the season started last year, Archmanning was already the Heisman trophy. if he elected to come out, he would have been the number one pick,

and we all would have said, oh, this seems like a perfect story. He's a manning, but it didn't work out that way. So he's back at Texas for another year. So I think the way, and you mentioned it, the way Carson Beck played during the postseason, you got to feel for the kid. And not that he's had hard knocks, but there's going from the top of the top of the, you know, you're staying at the Ritz Carlton, and now you're, you know, you're down to some lower tier place.

You've got to sleep at night. I mean, that was sort of his career. And, you know, he brings Miami to the forefront. You know, they face, you know, Indiana in the championship. You know, there's a little bit of me. It was I had to. I wanted to see Indiana win it just because it was such a Cinderella story. Like, you couldn't go against it.

It would have been too horrific to think otherwise. But there was a part of me when I watched Beck in his demeanor and his determination. Yeah. And, you know, his Alibur will play at the quarterback position. Like, hey, this kid is a true, you know, he's a true, he's a true, he's a, a legit NFL prospect act of position. Everybody can break them down, but, you know, I'll say this about all the quarterbacks going into this.

You know, you can be really good. You could be half, you know what, but you've got to have, you know, you've got to have a culture around you that brings you in and nurtures you. I mean, look at Trevor Lawrence and the head coaches and the OCs that it's taken him. And, you know, he was that guy. He was probably the last true, you know, number one pick that we, thought, okay, this guy is the can't miss guy. You know, this guy is the prodigy of the quarterbacks for the next generation.

And it hasn't ordered. I mean, you got Urban Meyer there, doesn't leave him last. And, you know, and then this is Trevor Lawrence's history that he has to carry. So these quarterbacks, you just got to hope that they develop them at an early age and surround them with a nurturing environment. Well, to your point, just about, like, you know, each year starts and it ends up differently. on the show a few weeks ago, before free agency started, I said, you know, at the beginning, in August, Cade Clubnick, Nussmeier, and Arch Manning were at the top of the quarterback board, and nobody had Malik Willis being the number one QB in free agency.

You would have needed your head examined if you had said that back in August, which just tells you kind of the nature of the NFL. It just, it changes. And we don't know as much as we think we know. As far as this draft goes, you know a lot about it. Who's the best overall player in the draft? You know, I hate going with school positions because it seems such like a cliche answer. But I really think if you've watched Jeremiah Love out of Notre Dame, and you don't even, listen, my favorite part about watching Jeremiah Love is not all the awesome things he does when he's running or catching out of the backfield. if you watch this man

half block against guys it is a treat there's not too many times you throw on the tape and you just watch a guy and you sit in admiration of the physicality and this is what I love about him when you go in that demeanor

the way he puts his effort into it that's in his DNA that he wants to be vicious he wants to be a bulldog he wants to attack you you're not going to even get to the quarterback with that guy And the last guy I really saw blocked that, and I don't know if he gets enough recognition for it because he ran the ball so well with Zeke Elliott for the Cowboys.

You go back and watch Zeke Elliott pass block for the Cowboys. Even in the final days when he was averaging 3.1 yards per carry. But I tell you what, if they sent a blitz and he had to protect Jack Prescott, he was doing it with a vengeance. And that's Jeremiah Love. You know, and again, you know, we could get all into the nuances of a – I was actually on a program yesterday, and they said, you know, describe this just the top ten. And I was like, I said boom and bust at first, but I kind of felt awkward saying that after I reflected on it because there's a lot of guys that I like. But I do think, like, Jeremiah Love, I would feel most secure with him. Even Mendoza, because quarterback is such a tricky position, you've got to surround them and there have to be so many ingredients for them to succeed.

You know, I think it's just a little bit easier to find a gap and hand it off to an elite running back like Love. So I think my number one guy would be love. If you ever want to watch some vicious pass protecting as a running back, go back and watch Clinton Portis here in Washington, especially on the Gibbs teams. He was a Sunday gamer and up for anything, and he was vicious as a past protector. So for me and my listeners are hearing you say that love is the top prospect on the board,

and they're saying he disagrees with you, Kevin. and I'll just tell you what I think. I really like the player. I think seven's too high because I don't see him as Bejohn Robinson. I don't see him as Christian McCaffrey. And if I'm going to take a running back, you know, at number seven, if he's there for Washington, I need to know I'm getting a true game-changing elite level back. I've compared him to Josh Jacobs, but with much better speed,

which, by the way, is an excellent NFL. back. And I think he will be that. But who's the comp for you? Like, do you see him as super elite? Number one in the draft could mean he's just number one in this draft. It may not mean that he's super elite, but I want you to describe it. Do you think he's at that Bijan-McCafri, you know, Sequin level? You know, that's a great point. That's why I love talking with you, because you do, you do your homework. I wouldn't say, you know what, he's just not that type a player. And, uh, right.

I get, you know, yeah, so like, you know, I look at a different type of guy when I watch him run the football, you know, I, when I watch him run the football, you know, we could bring up a Jemir Gibbs and Bejohn and the elite guys that are in the league right now. Is he them, no, but on the flip side, I don't think those guys are him in terms of the physicality and the force, um, that he can bring to a team. And when you, you know, and then you dad in the past blocking and he can catch a football. And I think, you know, you look at the physical. And I think, you know, you look at the you look at Gerrian Price from Notre Dame,

he's going to be the second. He's going to be, you know, you got to think of Arbor, Auburn and Cadillac Wilson and Carnell Williams. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for the last time you had a duo going, like, the top ten, or whatever and whatever draft that was.

But these guys are that talented, different, but talented, and I think they fed off each other, you know, like, you know, prices is different, you know, he's like almost a Trayvian-Henterson from Allstate.

He's a big play guy. You know, you take him a couple plays to rip on off for 70 yards. It's not that type of game for, Jeremiah Love. You know, he's more of that traditional back, if you will. And, you know, the NFL may not be going to the arts to trend, but, you know, he's the guy that, you know,

you could give him the ball 25 times. He's going to just work out of the divot, or, you know, you could pass him the ball and pass pro. So, I think this draft, I'm glad you brought this up. This particular draft, I do, I think Jeremiah love is that guy, but like, even Mandoza, like, I would have put Mandoza on

a Trevor Lawrence, and I wasn't a Trevor Lawrence guy coming out. I didn't like anything about Trevor Lawrence coming out. And in terms of, you know, what he was considered as the number one pick and bring the next protege of the football and the best you know, a guy that they saw in a decade. I didn't think that. But I think this draft

class with Mendoza and love and then, you know, I, you know, I'm not high on the Ohio State, I'm not going to like him. The Ohio State guys freak me out. You know, I know Arvel Reese and Sunny styles, they tested out, Caleb Downs, tested well, but, you know, I just think if you're that great

on defense, with those type of superior talent, how do you even lose two games. I know they played good teams. They played Indiana, so you could say where they played the team that won at all. And Miami, you know, who they played, but nonetheless, you know, we all know, Ohio State, you know,

if you're playing cards, you're playing spades, they have every card that you want. They have all the winning cards. They are the winning hand, and they lost twice. So, this draft class, I think, compared to others, I wouldn't say it's elite from top, you know, like at the top,

top, but I think we're going to find character throughout it. You know, the more I delve into it, and I'm not going to lie, there's nothing worse than I even go with my notes. I just wanted to kind of refresh my mind. I was about six prospects in, and these are elite guys I was in,

and I finally got the Ruben Bain, Jr. from Miami, and my notes, I was like, this is the first guy I watched where it immediately for me, and it doesn't say because I like it, it's factual, but there was the first guy that I watched on tape that It's like, okay, this guy is, you know, I mean, and it's boring.

It's kind of sad when you're watching tape, and, you know, you want guys to flash, and you keep, you know, you keep looking, like, what am I missing? What am I missing? What am I missing? But sometimes that happens, and, you know, and that's you, I mean, you, you know, you know as much as anybody else, and you know there are some guys that you'd say, hey, I saw this from the day one, I knew this guy was going to be good, and there's other guys that you missed, and you just don't see it, and it takes time,

and it comes out and you're like, okay, you know what? Now I see what I was missing. But I think that's evident. Listen, me and you do radio and media, there's teams that spend millions of dollars. They got scouts across the nation. Falking the head coaches, they know all the insight that we'll never know,

and they'll still go to the board, write a name down in the first round, your Marcus Williams, Raiders, signed into a big contract. Russell, yeah. Yeah. No, they get it wrong two-thirds of the time, and they get paid millions to do it.

You know, thinking about that, and I want to come back to Bain in a moment, but in recent years, what was the player that you were convinced you were right about? One way or the other, great or not great, you know, this guy's going to be greater, this guy's going to be a bust that you were dead wrong about. What's the one that comes to mind? Right when you said it, Johnny Mansell, I was down at the combo. and I was getting yelled at by people, people from big

conglomerate. And, yeah, but yeah, I want that on my grave, Kevin, you know, I just, there was, you just knew. And it's hard doing,

being in this business where, you, you thought he was, you, you thought he was going to be great. No, I thought he was going to be awful. Oh,

okay, so that, so you've got that, you got that one right. Yeah, that's the one I got right. Okay. We'll put it this way.

Uh, Paxton Lynch for the Broncos. Yeah. If I was a GM, them, I would have gave you three ones for Paxon and Lynch. So I don't want to act like I'm some genius. No, no, no, no. I mean, of course you've got misses.

I was curious about the miss. So that's a good one. Paxton Lynch, you would have given up three ones for him. He was one big strapping dude, wasn't he? Oh, you know the worst part? You know how it is? It's kind of like having a crush on the girl in high school. Yeah.

Like, you'd still give up three ones. I'm like, I'll still give you a two. He can still play. Yeah, Bo, she's not even in the league. I'm like, I don't care. I know, I believe we can, we can change it. We can get the mechanics right. We can get a footwork right.

Yeah, you know, but yeah, but that's the fun of it. You know, you kind of, you see different things. But I love Paxton Lynch. I love faction Lynch. I despise Johnny Mansell. And I got one right, and I ethically would have, if you called me and be like, Bo, we want three ones. Luke Keekly.

I'll give you three ones and Luke Keakley for Faxon. Basically what the Carolina Panthers gave up for Brice up. Yeah. All right. I want to get back to the pass rushers with you in this draft, especially those that may be there at number seven for Washington, and we'll get your thoughts on all of them, in addition to what you've said about Ruben Bain already,

right after these words from a few of our sponsors. So back to the edges. You know, Washington signed Adafiouet, Chason. They were active in free agents. agency. They had a terrible defense last year, and they had a lot of holes to fill defensively. You know, since the season ended, you know, a lot of us have been focused on, all right, will Bailey be there, will Reese be there, will Bain be there? Give me your, like, by the way, you're right, man. Of all the guys, the only other guy that went in watching him, to me,

constantly pops as, oh my God, this guy's so good. In addition to Bain, is Bain. Bailey. Like, he was literally unblockable at times. He and Jacobs both for Texas Tech. But give me your rankings of the edges. Listen, I think if Washington could get

Bailey, Bailey's my one. Bailey is your one, okay. Yeah. Yeah, and Bain's my two. Got it. And I think from there, and I have so much skepticism about everybody after that one. And you know, you watch it, when you watch Bailey, I mean, it's just

I mean, active feed. He's clean in traffic. I mean, he's just such a good player. And you watch him, there's no plays off, and the same thing with Bain. I mean, I was fortunate enough to see play at pit. You know, you match that. It's just an intensity. They always factor into it.

And, you know, I could go the other way with, you know, like Arvd-Del Reese. I mean, you throw on the Texas tape beginning of the season. You're seeing a guy getting golf. You know, I mean, you've got offensive linemen. Now, when you give him free space, Yeah, he is elite. We know that by because how athletic is he, but like when you're at the next level, you know, you're not getting guys from Purdue in Illinois. You're getting the guys from the Rams and the Patriots and the Broncos. Like, these are professionals. So I just thought Bailey and Bain are my top two guys. And I'm not going to lie. Like, those are my, like, I just feel confident. And, you know, I felt the same way saying this about backs and Lynch. On the opposite side, I said, you know, about the dismissal of Johnny Man's.

But like, I love David Bailey. I think he's, to me, he's like, sure fire can't miss. And I think Ruben Bain's the same way. I mean, just, you're their body type. They're built for the NFL. They're built for the longevity. The short arms on Bain don't bother you. No.

I don't, I don't, you know, listen, there's enough guys with long arms over the years where, you know, look at Sam Mills for the Saints, the linebacker. There was nothing he had athletically that you just said he fits the prototypical status quo of what guys want. And that, you know, like, some guys are the outliers. You know, that's why we all have numbers. You know, you want to, you know, and I love, I do, I love the way that they, the combine this year where they really tried to project that.

I did enjoy that. You're like, okay, this is this guy, height, weight, speed. But, you know, I talked to several scouts, and this is during the, uh, uh, C.J. Stroud thing, because I had such a hard time of, uh, looking at Ohio State quarterbacks, because, you know, You know, you looked at, you know, Terrell Pryor. You look at Cardell Jones. You know, you looked at, you know, all these guys.

And then C.J. Stroud comes along. I remember being at the combine, I'm like, can I look at the school and the way they develop guys? Or do I have to look at the prospect specifically? And, you know, the guys that I talked to, they told me you've got to look at the prospect specifically. But even then, I was hesitant. I'm not going to lie because I'm like, you know, you develop guys. You know, look at, I mean, Oregon had the long, you know, Dennis Dixon and all the quarterbacks before. You're Justin Herbert.

And, you know, so, like, you know, there's a development. And I just think that those two guys on the, you know, I think of Washington, can land those guys. And I, you know, I, you know, I love Caleb Downs, the safety, you know, I mean, you know, you want to bring that. He's never, nobody's going to ever be Sean Taylor. We know that. We just, you know, but, but if you could bring a guy back at that position that brings a lot of talent and, I mean, you know, I, I, I, I blush. but I've watched Caleb Downst tape. He's that good.

So I think if Washington could land Bailey, Bain, or Down, I think you guys would be on the right trajectory. But you feel the same way about love. Like if Love got to 7, you feel like that would be, he'd be worthy of Washington selecting him there. If the Jets didn't keep Breece Hall as a franchise, I think the Jets, I don't think he gets past the Titans before. Yeah, it'll be interesting.

What do you think of Delaine? the corner at LSU is seven too high or not? Oh, no. Oh, now you're really pushing my button. Listen, once or the lane, listen, I love one sort of the lane. I would take him above of the other three guys I always gloated about. Yeah, LSU, defensive factory, just go down the list. I mean, you want a pipeline to the National Football League coming out of a SEC school, elite talent.

Now, you watch him, he has all the ingredients to be a guy that just lock. down, Derek Stingley, you know, type thing who went three. Yeah, if they go that route, yeah, fantastic talent. If he doesn't go in the top ten, I'd be blown away, blown away, because there's always a defensive back that kind of gets in there. And you look at the pedigree of that school, his personal talent, yeah, it'd be shocking to me if he wants towards the lane gets. And if he does, if he gets past Washington, then I think what the chief pick ace tonight.

It's No, it's, wait a minute. Is it Saints next than Chiefs, right? Yeah, yeah. So I think the Chiefs, the Chiefs are definitely the team. They lost Trent McDuffie. They traded the Jerry's Need a couple years ago. They're in a deficit on the back end.

So I think, me personally, I think, you know, the Chiefs are crossing their fingers that, you know, Delane gets there. But if he goes to Washington, I, yeah, he's in that, you mean, we were just talking about position guys, but yeah, Delane is, yeah, I put it this way. If I could take forward, down, Delane, Bailey, or Bain, I'm taking Delane. Wow. All right.

Well, there you go. We got to, I mean, more likely than not, I mean, based on, I mean, things change, obviously. But he might be on the board for Washington at 7. So that would be your pick. Interesting. Real quickly on the receivers, do you like Tate? or not? Yeah, I like Tate.

You talk about a factory pipeline of receivers going into the national football league. You know, Jeremiah Smith, the next up and comer last year and you know, next year and you got Carnell Tate. You know, people get, you know, the 4-540 lesson, that's just, you know, the guys who know how to get in and out of their breaks, work their hips, find, you know, the designation spot for the bath. That's a Cornell Tate. They're taught well there.

This particular class, though, I think if you, if we hung up and you, you know, you brought 10 more draft guys on, you'd probably have a different guy. I'm not going to lie, because I'm going, you know, you're going through the tape, you know, there's so many guys. Casey Conception, home from Texas. Love him. Yeah, dude. I mean, I watched him two days ago, and I was like, wow.

You know, because we, you watch, you know, you all know they're great, you know, but now we're in the nitty-gritty time, and I was like, man, I'm like, I don't know what I like, man, like, if I got to say one, I'm like, You know, I love Jordan Pyson from Arizona State. Yep. I thought McClemon from USC love Carnet-I talent. I love Cornell Tate, too. I'm not going to say, but Casey's conception,

Owen, like, he was, I really, really was impressed. It was hard for me to find, like, a negative at the next level. He's electric. Yeah, he's special. I'm glad we agree on that. But, yeah, I think he's special. All right, one more for you. Give me the player that you're in love with that nobody really is talking about right now.

You know, probably not a first round or maybe late into the first round because the people will catch on. Give me the player because there's always somebody that you guys love that you think you've figured out before anybody else has. Who's that player? All right. How deep do we want to go? As deep as you want to go. All right. If we want to go like day three, I'm going to go.

I'm going to give you one here. Jared Washington, South Carolina State, HBCU defense aback, began his career at Jucco level at Benedict College in Ohio. Had a great East Reshrine game, great pro-day. 21-passed breakups. He was the 25-2020-me-act player of the year. This guy is going to be a day three guy, probably six or seventh round pick. I'm betting.

I'm all in that this kid is going to be a 10-year veteran. but we're going to stick to the guys that people know. This guy's probably going to be a day two guy, probably third round, which is not a bad thing, but we're also caught up in the elite elite. Right. But when you watch Ketron Allen from Penn State from the football, there's nothing that says, I'm an NFL running back, and we all get caught up in the glorified highlight tape to Collegian football.

You hand this guy, he's going to make two yards into six yards, and six yards into ten yards. and I believe he's going to be a high-level, durable quality running back. And we got to cut up, you know, Jeremiah Love, blah, blah, blah, Jared Ay, Price, all these, you know, they have all these elite traits. But when you look at it, 5-11, 216, and you go back and look at the metrics for those numbers, that 5-11, 220, 218, 216 metric, that's where all the greats of play. Go back and look, that's just the metric. A lot of times, I'm not going to lie, when I look and see the height weight of a guy of it,

running back, I look and say, okay, how is he? 6-1-20, you're not going to make it. 5-11-2-20, you got a long career in the National Football League. That's Kajon Allen. Runs with a vengeance. Run, you plant the foot, he just sticks, he gets up filled. I love. Here's one of those guys.

I told you when I was like searching for guys. I kept getting bored right when you popped on the case. I mean, I saw him play anyways at Penn State. Yeah. When you put the tape on and you're like, one play, you're like, yeah, he has it. He has a secret recipe. The success. You know what's interesting is that I loved Alan to number 13 for Penn State,

but the guy that people fell in love with was Singleton. You know, he's the guy from Penn State that people really like. But Alan had the bigger year and had the bigger games for them this year. And they played better with Allen in the game. Listen, Nick Singleton is a sneaky, I mean, there's something special about him. So I don't want, you know, Alan's going to go. before Singleton. We know that. But, you know, going back, I guess, the Notre Dame thing with, you know,

Price and a love, you know, you got high caliber backs. But I think Ketron Allen, his demeanor, the way he plays, his body type, his durability, and, you know, I just think he is built for the NFL. I mean, I love Ketron Allen. You know, I could go all day about, you know, guys that I love and guys that nobody even knows about that, you know, I, you know, I fancy about. but yeah, K-Tron Allen just to give your audience, you know, Penn State. Everybody knows who Penn State is.

They probably saw this kid play. He's not on the elite level of, you know, the guys that we're talking about. So, you know, probably day two, expect them to come off the board. I'd say mid-third round, and that's not a shameful thing. And even if, and I even think in today's league, you know, day three, you know, it starts in the fourth round, and that's a lot of times worth, you know, running backs are going because they're devalued. You know, they've increased in value, you know,

because, you know, the resurrection of so Juan Barclay and the Eagles, and then, you know, you see these other backs take over, you know, Kenneth Walker carried Seattle, MVP. So, you know, they've had a little bit of resurgence, but I think still when it comes down to the draft, you know, a lot of these guys that you can kind of look at and be like, okay, you know, we love K-Tron, we love Nick Singleton, but you know what, we know, we'll get Jam Miller from Alabama.

We know, we'll get those guys in round four or five. And it's demeaning to their talent and what they'll produce at the National Football League level. But it's nonetheless, that's your entry into the league. And, you know, you played a position that devalued a little bit less than offensive line, defensive line, and defensive back, and most importantly, quarterback. And receiver. That 2005 draft with Cadillac Williams and Ronnie Brown. Ronnie Brown went number two overall out of Auburn.

Cadillac Williams went number five overall. Two running backs, same back field. same team, Auburn, number two and number five. But you know who the back was in that draft? Neither one of them. Frank Gore was in that draft. Oh, fourth round, Miami. Yeah, picked in the third round out of Miami by the 49ers for that particular year.

Of course, he spent a lot of years there and a lot of years in Indy. I'm sorry? Yeah, please. I was in New York. I was in New York for that draft just as a fan. And at that point... At the Marriott Marquis? Was it still at the Marriott Marquis?

Marquis? No, it was at the convention, but you had to sleep outside. You had to wait for your ticket, and we did that. Me and my three buddies, we slept on the streets in New York, the way to get our tickets. But in front of us, we're two Miami Dolphin fans. And we were just going as fans. We didn't care. We just wanted to see the drop. We go in. Second pick as it comes around,

was it. You said, Caroline, Ronnie Brown or Cadillac was the second pick? Ronnie Brown was number two overall. All right, so, because I'm just, I just, by the way, that's the, that's the That's the Aaron Rogers, Alex Smith. Aaron Rogers, yeah. Yeah. We were there for that. Yeah.

So, but anyways, we sleep all night on the streets with these people who were wearing Miami gear. Second pick rolls around. Ronnie Brown selected. They're like, okay, this has been great. And they left. That's all they wanted to seek. All right.

Thanks for doing this. Always enjoy it. Enjoy the next month and the buildup to it. We'll talk next year around. the same time. Thanks, Bo. Make sure you keep this in. For your listeners, you are as wise and you do as much homework

as anybody as I talk. Not as much as you think. Not as much as you think, but those are kind words. Those are kind words. You know, one of the reasons I've always enjoyed talking to you is you've got a really good sense of NFL history, including our team from way back in the day.

I love them. Dr. Warren and Alvin Walton, Derek Green's my favorite point. player. Yeah, I know. So yeah, I love those. Both thanks. You're legit. I really appreciate your time. Thank you. I appreciate it. Talk to you soon. All right. Anytime you need me, let me know. Beauchante, everybody. All right, that'll do it for today, back tomorrow with Tommy.