The Kevin Sheehan Show - Quinn Takes Over Defensive Coordinator Role

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Kevin and Thom today with a reaction to Dan Quinn demoting Joe Whitt Jr. and taking over the defensive coordinator responsibilities himself. Plenty more on the Commanders' loss to the Lions including Thom's first reaction. The boys discussed some of the other NFL games from Sunday along with Eagles-Packers game from last night. Kevin ended with thoughts on the Terps loss to Georgetown on Friday night plus he weighed in on the talk of buying out Maryland Football Head Coach Mike Locksley. For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match Want to spruce up your lawn? FastGrowingTrees.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it, you don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show, here's Kevin. Tommy's here, I am here. The show's presenting sponsor, as always, Window Nation, 86690 Nation or WindowNation.com if you need new windows. Tommy, I got this from my guy Yale, who writes a lot. Joe Witt Jr. getting demoted is a good result. But Kevin, when you talked about the second two-point play and the opportunity for Mariotta to get hurt,

how do you not rip Quinn for that? Well, I did rip him. I just didn't put it on my list of bad. It was more other observations. I thought running both two-point two-point plays was stupid. But you're right, Yale, and I did emphasize it a little bit today on radio, running that two-point play with Marioita with six minutes to go in the game down 41 to 20. was stupid. You put the extra point kicker out there. You kick. You don't run another play from

scrimmage. You got this guy. He's got to start in Madrid. He's probably got to start after the buy week for maybe one week. We'll see about that. And he got sacked and could have gotten hurt on the play. And then Kroski Merritt got twisted into a pretzel on the next play. I don't think the coach is in that particular situation in his right mindset. That's That's his job to be. But, you know, in the heat of the moment, and when you're getting your ass kicked like he was, I think he just wanted more points.

But, yeah. Yeah, but Kevin, that was not a heat-as-a-moment situation. Okay? No, it was a lot of the heat. By that point, you just want to get out. Yeah. You know, go home. Go to the locker room.

In fact, it was cold. There was no heat at that point. Yeah. How you doing, Tommy? How are you doing? I'm doing good. Good. I'm doing very good. You wrote a great column. That is out there.

Yeah, you want to acknowledge what? I want to acknowledge that this is Veterans Day. Yes. And to give out thanks to all the veterans who have served our country to protect us, we always appreciate that and we'll never forget it. Yeah, thank you for your service, your courage, your bravery, your sacrifice, all of that. Just always in awe of those that have served and are serving right now. We're here on this Veterans Day doing a show about our football team.

Dan Quinn did make a decision. You know, I thought that in the post game, he kind of implied that maybe he would wait until after the bye week. But he made the change now, demoting Joe Wid Jr. I said in my post game, I go, look, I don't. I don't need him to be fired, but Dan Quinn's got to do something now. He's got to take it over himself. He's got to give it to somebody else because now he is in the spotlight for not doing anything. And after what was truly one of the worst defensive performances we have ever seen by our team,

and there have been plenty to choose from, especially under Joe Whit Jr., for sure, I don't think he had any choice, but it is awfully convenient that, instead of making the decision before the Chief Seahawks and Lions games, he decided to make the decision going into a stretch where they're not playing quite the offensive fire-powered teams that they've just played. But I don't know if he's going to be able to do much about it. This obviously brings up the question about, to me,

what was always the number one question mark about this team coming into the year, and that was, were they going to be any better defensively? and was it more Joe Witt Jr. last year or was it more personnel? Well, I think 30 games into this, Tommy, we know at least a part of it is Joe Witt Jr. It has to be. You know, the pie chart doesn't include personnel injuries taking up, you know, seven eighths of it and a little tiny slice is Joe Witt Jr. He's got his fair share in this 30 games as the defensive coordinator, and the truth is in about 22 or 23 of them. it's been bad and in several of them it's been horrifically bad like it was on Sunday

almost record-setting bad as it was on Sunday you wrote about this you wrote about the trip to Spain but you also you know wrote about just you know the the skeleton crew that they have playing for them right now which you can't deny unless you really just want to be a tough guy. No. If you're writing about this team or talking about this team, you have to take a breath

and you have to include all the injuries. You can't just leave it out. Okay? It's not an excuse. It's partially the reason, and it's so exhaustingly long that you have to catch your breath

in order to go through it all. And there's players you're probably going to miss along the way. But Like you said, I think we're going to, I know they're playing, you know, a different team going forward, but I think we'll get a glimpse of whether, as that all commercial used to go, is it live or is it Memorex? You know, is it the personnel, or was it really the coaching? I mean, we suspect it's a mixture of both, but we really, I think,

I think I would tend to come down much more on the personnel. I think the personnel has turned out to be much worse than they expect it to be at this point. The players who are left behind. I mean, the so-called identity of the commanders, these players don't have that identity. I mean, we talked about this before. you know, a lot of times you'll see a bad team play tough, if nothing else, you know, just with some level of intensity to make it the life difficult for the team that eventually is going to beat you. These commanders have done none of that.

Yes, Sunday was a special kind of bad. Like, injuries don't explain all of it on Sunday. there wasn't anybody near some of these receivers. You know, I mentioned this in my recap, but there was a throat of Oman Ross St. Brown in the fourth quarter where I think he looked around and paused because he thought, where is everybody? Maybe the play was whistled dead, and then he realized it wasn't.

I mean, Jameson Williams did a flip into the end zone because he could do that because there was nobody near him. I know. That was amazing. Yeah. It just, it was a special kind of awful. I do want to update something because I mentioned this, and I, you know, I know you don't listen to the podcast, but I did the math incorrectly, not that it's a significant change. But they had the Lions did on their first seven drives of the game. They went eight for eight, and then they ran out the clock on their ninth drive. No punts, no turnovers, no turnover on downs. By the way, Somebody reminded me that, remember last year, Washington in the Giants and Bengals games back to back, didn't punt and didn't turn the ball over. You're right. Now, they had multiple kneel downs in those games, which is why the drive chart doesn't look the same as Detroit's did on Sunday. But, yeah, seven field goals against the Giants in week two last year, seven drives with no punts, no turnovers, a couple of kneel downs. And then the Bengals game, same thing. No punts, no turnovers, all scores on every drive except.

for two kneel downs. But on the lion's first seven drives of the game, this is just an update on the numbers. They were just slightly off. There were 536 possible yards based on their starting field position. So as an example, if you start from your own 15, there are 85 yards available to them on that drive. So over their first seven drives of the game, there were 536 available yards. And they got 522 of the 536. Like, I don't know, and I have never read that anybody has described it this way. I just kind of thought of it as they were going through drive by drive that, you know, they did have a couple of field goals, and that's the 14-yard difference on the 7-for-7.

It just was incredible that the way they did it, too, because it's a lot. It's almost impossible to describe it how bad it was. Numbers-wise, it's up there. You know, it's, I mean, the Bengals have had a couple of performances this year that were probably just as bad. But like we said in the NFC championship game, Philadelphia could have named the number. Detroit, if they had wanted to, could have just named the number. Like, if they had wanted it to be 64, it could have been 64.

It was just, it was so easy. and nobody being around these players. And the thing that we've gotten to, so two closing thoughts on this for me, and then you can add to it if you'd like. Number one is at this point, injuries, schedule, they're all a part of it.

They are. But they don't do anything well. They don't cover well. They don't rush the passer well. They don't stop the run well. They don't tackle well. They don't tackle well. take the ball away well and you know I mentioned on Sunday to take the ball away you actually have

to be near the ball which they weren't on Sunday they weren't even close to the football um this is as bad as this defense has been in years you know I would go back to 2017 but that was primarily the offensive line um and I was actually talking to Kime before we started to record this podcast he's he's in Madrid right now and we were talking about a number of things And I just said to him, I said, look, no one's covered the team longer than you have in terms of day-to-day beat. And I said, I can't find any injury sites. There used to be man-game injury sites that would track who's the most injury. He said, I don't need the data.

He said, they're the most injured team in the league at the most key positions, and I've never covered a team ever in all of these years that has had this number of injuries. By the way, just add more people to the list. Trame is done for the year. Trailing Berks, who had three catches for 58 yards. He had finger surgery. He's out. You know, it's one after another that it keeps happening to. But I think, you know, for those that are sick of the injury talk,

even though it is a total reality, here's what I would say about this team. I would say that if they had the health that they had last year, you know, or our normal run of injuries, I think that it's possible they'd have two more wins and be at five and five. I think Chicago could have been a win. Atlanta could have been a win. I think the last two games, three games would have been more competitive.

Maybe they don't win any of them. That's possible. They've had a brutal schedule. But specific to the defense, here's what I would say. Injuries don't tell the whole story. I think that they would have been a better run-stopping team if they had remained healthy because of Dorrance Armstrong and Dietrich Wise and the addition of Kenlaw, Kenlaws played well.

It's been a good addition. And I think there were signs when they were healthy early in the season that they were going to be a better run-stopping team than they were last year. But overall, I think even if they were healthy on defense, it'd be a slightly better defense than it was last year. I think we were going to still be looking at a pretty rough 20-25 defense. And that would have meant that you would have needed the offense to be heroic week in and week out to, you know, keep them in the chase. And, of course, they haven't been healthy on offense.

So, you know, that's why the season has imploded. But I'm not suggesting, and I want to be clear on this, that if they were healthy on defense, they would have been a good defense. I don't believe that. I think I've seen enough to know, and it's not the opponents necessarily, although that's a big part of it. but they would have been a slightly better run defense. I think they would have been a worse pass defense. They don't have a scare you player on defense. Some of their better players last year have actually taken a step back.

Sanra still would be at the top of that list. So, yeah, the injuries are, yeah. It's like I pointed out in my column. I think basically the defense would not have been better, but there might have been a slight improvement in containment. Containment. Which is all you

really, if the offense is working like we expected, that's what you're looking for, just to contain the other team. You know, but they've got from containment to castrophie. You know, and it's just, I mean, I agree with you. I think it would have been a little bit

better. And given us the second year of Jane Daniels at the helm, expecting him to be better, better than he was his first year, which I think was reasonable. I think they want to want at least two more games. Let me mention something right now, so I don't forget.

I did have it in my notes, but I actually talked to you about this already. Just this is a quick switch of subjects. Back to Jaden Daniels. First of all, you know, it is good news. And I think since you and I did a podcast late last time, Thursday, the news has come out that the injury isn't, you know, severe and, you know, he's going to be, you know, he's going to be cleared to play at some point in the next few weeks. I don't know if it'll be for the Thanksgiving game against Denver, Thanksgiving weekend game, excuse me, against Denver, or if it'll happen the week after. We can have that conversation, but I'm just going to share this with everybody.

So we talked a lot about, you know, Jaden's game against Seattle. Souter came on. The Kurt Warner video was out there. You know, Suter kind of refuted a lot of what Warner. said, but also, you know, understood why there was some, you know, reason to sort of throw some criticism on a few plays in particular. So I will just tell you, as bluntly as I can, nobody out there is concerned with Jaden Daniels. Nobody out there believes that Jaden Daniels has regressed. I'll just share one comment in a conversation that I had. Did Kurt Warner have any clue

as to whether or not the receivers were running the right routes. We have guys that aren't running the correct routes. We have guys that aren't running the correct depth on routes. The picture being presented to Jaden is hideous over and over again.

By the way, they're not going to take blame for it. They're just pointing to the fact that the people that are out there are not people that they wanted to be out there this year. And they've had very little time. I mean, you had Traylon Berks in his second, you know, two weeks into the season, catch three

passes on Sunday against Detroit and was out there for the first time last week. So for those of you that don't have any concern about Jaden and were wondering about, you know, if there was an agreement on his game

against Seattle with some that were critical of it, no, there was not much agreement on that. And there's zero concern about, not Jaden Daniel's second year. He's played five and a half games, people, at this point of the 10. Hopefully he can get back out there. And when he gets back out there, hopefully he's with a cast of characters that can play, you know, to a certain degree.

This from Joe back to Joe Witt. Joe writes, Kevin DQ would be an idiot to fire Joe Witt, Jr. until he's absolutely forced. There are still seven games left. The sooner he fires Witt, the sooner the criticism of this defense. turns to Quinn himself. He'd be wise to carry his human shield along as long as possible. Well, yeah, he didn't fire him, but he demoted him yesterday. This came in before that. But yeah, this speaks to, you know, I don't know if they had thoughts of doing this in the offseason

or thoughts of doing this earlier. But if Quinn were smart and we're thinking about this for the last month, he was smart not to do it before Kansas City, Seattle, and Detroit in a row. That's for sure. I mean, because... He didn't take the blows for that. Joe Whit did. And what can he do, you know, to fix this? I don't know.

But something had to happen with Joe Whit Jr. Again, you know, there's a really good chance that maybe he was only a third of the problem. And a third was personnel and a third was injury. but he's got a 30-game track record that says he's not very good at this. I started to look at, you know, next year, because now we know we're going to have a new defensive coordinator. You're not going to have a new head coach, people. I promise you that, okay?

There is zero chance that Adam Peters or Dan Quinn are moving on, but there will be a new defensive coordinator. I think you go immediately to Mike McDonald's staff in Seattle and find out if there's a new Mike McDonald out there. I think that a Jim Schwartz, if the entire Cleveland staff gets boomed at the end of this season, the Stefansky staff gets boomed. I think you look at somebody like Schwartz. He's been good everywhere he's been. But you've got to fix that.

And then you've got to get a lot of personnel upgrade for sure. What else about Sunday and about Witt Jr.? Well, let me get to. It gets to what I talked about before. Okay. And see if you agree with me. Okay. No matter the talent of the personnel on the field,

there is a way for them to express themselves at a level of toughness and intensity, no matter how much lack of talent they have, do you agree with that? I do. And we haven't seen Harley. any of that. I think we saw it against the Chiefs. And we've seen less and less of it as this losing streak has gone on. So I would, I definitely agree with you. I think that, you know, there's been no chicken salad made out of chicken, you know what, defensively in particular. I think actually there's been more of it made out of, of offense. You know, those, look, I've not loved Cliff's

games, a couple of them anyway, especially the Seattle game. I didn't have a problem with Sunday's game. Remember, you know, they're getting blown out and getting blown out quickly in the last two games. I thought the Kansas City effort was superior to what we've got in the last two games on defense. I think that's part of the problem is that these back-to-back, historically awful games in which receivers weren't just open, they were like by themselves on the field, you know, in shells, you know, doing offensive, you know, passing drills, that that was enough for Dan Quinn to stick a finger down his mouth, throw up and say, I better do something.

Now, what would have, what would it have looked like on Sunday? Had Quinn been calling the plays? Because he's still the chief motivator of the team. I don't know. And he has also indicated on that headset, he's aware of what's going on. Yep. yep that's what I'm saying like I don't to Joe's email he's had a bit of a human shield but I think it got to the point where after Sunday he was and I said this in my post game and I said if he doesn't do something after this one he's going to look very weak and feckless he's going to look like he is using Joe Witt Jr. as a human shield he's a defensive head coach he should take it over or he's he should give it to somebody else

whether he fires him or not. That was just such a level of horrible that the Chief's game, Tommy, was their best defensive half of the last two months. Yeah, when they played it to a 7-7 tie, right? Yeah, and they did a great,

even Mahomes said they had an urgency defensively that we didn't match in the first half. Well, they matched it in the second half, and they went up and down the field against them. Seattle, they, Seattle and Detroit are elite offensive football teams, elite. And you, you know, with anybody coaching, you know, you could have brought Pettabone back to coach them in this group of personnel and players against those two teams. And it probably wouldn't have looked great.

But could it have looked better from an effort standpoint, from a being in the vicinity of some of these, you know, completed passes? I think so. And I think that's where Quinn said, you know, Sunday was a special kind of bad. And not only that, Tommy, let me add to that, have it mentioned this. The discipline and the cool that was lost by Duran Payne and Kinlaw and Kwan Martin, when you get one player that loses as cool, it's one player losing as cool. When you get multiple players losing their cool in the midst of a, you know, fourth straight blowout and terrible job by the defense, you've got an unraveling situation starting. Yes.

And so Quinn probably took that into consideration as well. You know, Duran Payne was one of the captain Sunday. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. You know, even if what he said is true, and it may have been that he was the second

guy hit, you know, he was the guy. getting hit back he was hitting back on the guy yeah you got you got to have you got to have better sense than that yeah yeah i mean look there are there are legitimate competitive in the heat of battle reasons for losing your cool and maybe that was one of them but they had three of them and they were getting their ass kicked i thought the most embarrassing thing was jvonne kinlaw getting into goff's face when they were down 20 to three before the two It's like, dude, you know, and I, Kinlaw's played great for them this year. I mean, he's been one of the bright spots of very few.

I wanted to address this here in the open. You ready for this one? From Larry. Dan Quinn is Ron Rivera, is the subject heading. Kevin, you know what the Spider-Man meme is, right? It's definitely Quinn and Rivera. They are literally the same coach. One, they are both defensive-minded.

Two, they both previously coached in the NFC South. Three, they both lost a Super Bowl. Four, both have three winning seasons in their career. Five, both were fired mid-season in their previous job. Six, both next head coaching job was in D.C. Seven, both inherited the number two pick. Eight, both made the playoffs their first year. Nine, both had terrible defenses in D.C.

10, both fired their defensive coordinators mid-season and replaced them with themselves. Yeah, again, Joe Witt Jr. didn't get fired, just to be clear, Jack Del Rio did, and yes, Rivera took it over. Joe Witt Jr. is going to continue to be a part of the organization until this season is over, I would assume. I have a quick answer to this comparison. Do you? No, go ahead. Yeah. The big difference is that Quinn isn't working for Dan Snyder and Ron Rivera was. And the organization was completely different when Ron Rivera was here. And I have definitely defended Ron Rivera's tenure here, not where I wanted him back, not where I'm saying that he had a good tenure. It was terrible. It was a disaster. But it was partly due to the fact that he came into an organization that was already a complete and utter, you know, shit show. And then it got worse.

The day he took the job, the congressional investigation started. The inquiries began. The name was lost. COVID struck. Rivera got cancer. I mean, but the aura of, you know, self-destruction existed in every coach that worked under Snyder. It didn't work out for. Quinn's in a completely different organization.

You have cited things that have all happened in their previous stint. By the way, both of them were successful in their head coaching jobs, Carolina and Atlanta. Quinn eventually got cut loose, but he took that team to the playoffs three times in four years. You know, one division titles. Rivera did that, had a good run as well. But overall, just it's apples and oranges in terms of the envisional.

that they're working in. And by the way, Rivera's playoff season here was seven and nine and a home COVID loss to Tampa. Dan Quinn took a team that had not been, hadn't won a playoff game in 19 years, hadn't been to the NFC championship in 33, and hadn't won 11 games in 33, and did all of those things in his first year. And yes, he had a great quarterback because he got number two right, and Rivera didn't. But I just don't see the, I see the historical or the from whence they came comparisons,

but Quinn's in a much better environment to succeed than Rivera was. And the other reason is Quinn doesn't have Rivera picking the personnel. Yes. Rivera, of course, duh. Yeah. Rivera was, Rivera failed himself over and over again. Yes. Yes. You know, Rivera, you know, I've mentioned this before. Like, I'm not going to get into defending Ron Rivera, the coach in D.C.

But those that think he was just terrible in D.C. as a head coach, I actually think what you asked me about earlier, you know, the, you know, don't you expect a little bit more even with all of the injuries? Yeah, I expect coaches to coach them up. coach him, you know, into more than less. You know, there are always coaches out there that do more with less. Well, Ron Rivera here, you know, after, you know, he's one of the only coaches in the history of the league to have a team start one in five and make it to the playoffs. I understand he did that, you know, as a seven and nine division champion. The 2021 team was two and six and made it.

to six and six with a four-game winning streak, where they were playing, I'm telling you, I felt like pretty tough, hard-nosed football during that 2021 season. When they beat Tampa, remember, beat Seattle, Carolina, the Raiders, and they had that huge, they were in the playoff mix, and then COVID hit them, and they were playing Tuesday afternoon games with Gail Gilbert at quarterback. Okay, then in 2022, let's not forget that that team very much overachieved with Taylor Heineke at quarterback and a really good defense during that season. That's the best defense they've had in the last 20 years.

And they were not only a playoff contender, they were getting games flex to Sunday night late in the season against the Giants. 2023, utter disaster. He obviously entered that season. is a lame duck and for some reason thought, not thought, but hoped and wished and prayed that Sam Hal could actually play quarterback in the NFL as a starter, which turned out to be untrue. But his general manager hat is what really was the problem more so than anything else. It was a general manager who traded for Carson wins. Right. Yeah. And then, you know, when he was

asked about whether or not Snyder had something to do with it, he said, no, no, that was all me. That was all me. Well, I don't know if you really want to take credit for that. Yeah. But you know what? Did I just defend... We don't know how good Adam Peters is as his job because he has no track record. Well, you're right.

In terms of personnel and draft, it's too early. That's what I think after 30 games. I think that that is tried and true over a year. I know many of you already, you know, a year after declaring him, let, you know, describing him as let Adam cook. Let Adam Cook. Yeah. And he's playing chess to checkers, even with Howie Roseman.

Now you want him fired. I would say that you got to wait on the draft. And I still would say that the two things that have been messed up by him is the Latimore trade, which I was in favor of when he made it. That really looks. Absolutely. So was I. That's a failure in hindsight.

and I think the kicking situation, you know, but I don't know what choices he had with McManus in this organization with the allegations that were out there. Right. You know? They suffered for the sins that they unfortunately inherited. Yeah. I think that's probably true on that.

But, yeah, I mean, Adam Peters isn't going anywhere for those, and it's a few of you, more than the majority, I would guess. that won him fired for his terrible drafting record, for his inability to put any kind of team on the field to handle a catastrophic season worth of injuries. And Dan Quinn's not going anywhere. I promise you that.

And they're not concerned about Jaden Daniels and they won't be looking for a quarterback in the upcoming draft. Or I promise you they're not going to be considering Marcus Mariotta as an option to compete for the starting job next year. none of those things are happening what's happening though is I'm glad that Quinn did something about the defense and

you know I don't I didn't need the firing I said this on Sunday night after the game Tommy I know a lot of people wanted somebody to get fired and Joe Whit Jr. in particular I think basically demoting him is you know firing him he's not coming back next year as the team's defensive coordinator

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the number to call them at or you can go to windownation.com. I got this from Paul. Paul's writing about Terry McLorne, who is making the trip to Madrid, but is not going to play in the game. He writes, I've been anti-Terry McLaren since his little extortion act in the preseason. So far, he's missed six games already this year and was MIA to support his team on the sidelines this past weekend versus the Lions. Now I hear he's getting a free trip to Madrid and not even playing. Question mark, exclamation point, question mark, exclamation point, question mark. Get rid of this guy in the off season for whatever you can get, even if you have to eat some of his salary.

He's become an unreliable, divisive, and polarizing player to the team and fan base that we don't need going forward. Were you at the game Sunday? No, I was not at the game. Okay, so I did not see Terry on the sideline. I did hear from others that said he was not noticed on the sideline. Okay, I don't know what to make of that. I don't think that every injured player has to be on the sideline. I don't think they always are.

By the way, it wasn't extortion, okay? It was delusion. He thought he was worth more. That's a contract negotiation, Paul. Okay? One side believes they're worth, you know, this, and another thinks it's that, and they try to come to a happy middle ground.

In this case, it was much closer to what the organization wanted right from the jump. And I don't think that he's a happy camper, and we talked about this after the deal was done. This is a topic. I don't know if it's the topic for now, but this is a topic for sure when the season ends if he ends up playing a limited number of games and appears to be not happy.

You know, I don't know what to make of this because, I mean, because I don't think a guy like that changes suddenly becomes a malcolm. He may be unhappy, but that's different from becoming a malcontent. To me, a malcontent is somebody who carries his unhappiness or his disgruntlement into his job performance. And I don't think he's capable of that. I think he's got too much pride and it's too much considers himself too much of an overachiever to have what happened affect his play.

He's injured. You know, it happens. It happened to half the team. And the idea that it was extortioned, well, that's a guy who doesn't understand the concept of labor and business. But, I mean, we're just, they're so, look, people are just grasping for targets.

They've got a lot of anger. and, you know, part of them realizes, I think, deep down, that targeted towards Dan Quinn isn't really all right because they know in their hearts what Dan Quinn did last year. You know, same with Adam Peters, it's hard to target your anger towards these guys, so you have to spread it around. You know, I'm surprised Jaden hasn't been. target of any. He has been, he has been, especially by the people that didn't believe in him before the draft and believed in, like Drake May as an example, who's having a phenomenal

season, no doubt. I mean, he is the, right now, Drake May is the odds on favor to win the MVP. So, really? Yeah, so I've gotten, I've gotten a lot of the anti-Jaden stuff, but my guess is that most of it comes from the people that didn't want him. him in the first place, and wanted somebody else. You know, it's interesting because I think even a lot of those people at the end of last year said, yeah, I was wrong. Yeah, I'm glad they took Jaden. It's a long process, long careers.

But anyway, Drayton May's been phenomenal, and he's great. Their defense is awesome, too. Vrabel's great. You know, Vrabel was the, Vrable, I really wanted when they were in that coaching search, but apparently they were never going to consider Vrable in part because Vrable pretty much, I think, made it clear he was going to sit out that year because I think he felt like the New England job was a possibility down the road. Anyway, look, the Terry thing is interesting from Paul because I think most of the Terry stuff I've gotten is the opposite.

It's been the organization mismanaged it and they set up this team for failure because it's a soft tissue injury. Terry should have been in earlier. Terry should have been working with Debo and Jaden right from the jump, and it would have been a different outcome. As far as the injury goes, I can't tell you whether or not the injury would have happened with or without camp. But I sense that all is not well between Terry and his agent and the team. And I'm not suggesting anything with that.

regard to the injury. He's injured. He's legit injured. Came back and played, you know, in the one game he played in against the Chiefs, he had three incredibly tough catches. Incredible. You know, and they miss him. They miss him dearly. Look, he's not, somebody called in this morning and said, does anybody realize why Terry leads the league in contested catches? I think most people realize that. It's because he doesn't get the separation that the elite receivers get. It still doesn't change the fact that he's excellent as a tested catch guy. He's a really good receiver. They have missed him this year. They've missed their quarterback this year, only playing in five and a half of the 10 games now. But I think this is

going to be a conversation in the offseason. Unless there is, you know, with seven games left, you know, a return of Terry and Jaden and a high-octane offense over, say, the final four or five games of the year, and they win three of them or something like that. I, think if it continues to be an injury-riddled situation with him, and, you know, I think this is going to be a big conversation in the off-season about what to do with Terry. I will tell you this, my gut feel right now is, of course I would want Terry McCorn back next year as a healthy receiver. But I also want them to search draft or free agency, and there aren't a lot of options in free agency. They need a true take the cover.

off the defense have to game plan for wide receiver. I don't know if they can get one, you know, because I would say they have more pressing needs on defense, but they definitely need another receive. They need another number one type of wide receiver, whether Terry, you know, comes back or not, and I would expect him to come back. He's under contract to come back. you know that's the one-year contract extension which is 2026 he was under contract for this year the deal he got was in essence a one-year contract extension for 2026 so um yeah i expect him to play um anything else you know what you brought yeah you brought something up there okay uh you just

threw it out there that unless there's a possibility that they go on some kind of run yeah You know, they're back healthy on the field, Terry's on the field, Jayden's on the field, and they go for some kind of run at the end of the year. If they're both healthy, do you think that's possible? Oh, I think if they're both healthy, the offense can be, you know, remember, the schedule also lightens up. Now, they do have the Eagles twice. They have the Eagles twice.

And they've got Denver, and they've got Miami coming off to win over Buffalo. But, you know, at Vikings, that's never easy. That's a tough, one of the toughest road venues. They got the Giants. They got the Cowboys on Christmas Day. Let me just say this. You're not going to be playing the Chief Seahawks and Lions. Those are three of the best five teams in the NFL right now.

The Eagles would be certainly in that mix. You could play the Eagles at the end of the year with the Eagles having nothing to play for. You know, man, man, those two games. they should have been, one of them should have been early in the season when it could have been a hype game. You know, I'm just thinking about that now. I know I mentioned it when the schedule came out, but it's like last year you played a division team three times. It could have been the beginning of something really cool, but there was always a risk playing both games in the last three weeks of the season that none of them meant anything, even if both teams were good. And, you know, now we're going to get that with one team more likely being completely out of it.

and one team may be having nothing to play for in the season finale, although seating will probably be in play. But yeah, I mean, I definitely think a Jaden Terry Debo, you know, getting more of the regulars back out on the field is going to make it look better. But here's what's not going to help is if every time they take the field, there's another seven scored by the other team's offense. You know, you can't ask the, offense to score on every drive.

Last year, the defense was bad, but against third string and second string quarterbacks. So they got off the field enough for the offense to be able to win games by scoring, say, 30 a game on six of 11 drives or seven of 12 drives. Now you're asking essentially, every time you take the field, you have to score. Or when you take the field the next. time you're down another score. With that in mind, let's talk about a philosophy here for a minute.

If you believe that that's probably what they'll be facing, and this is just minutia's stuff, but it's a pet peeve of mine. The commander should always take the ball first if they have the opportunity. Yeah, sure.

Right? Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, they should. I know. I know it's not by the book, but you know you got to get your seven on the board before you give them theirs yeah um Detroit deferred I think won the toss and deferred in Washington you know um they they went three and out on that opening drive and they were they were better offensively you know I for those that miss my post game I thought it was the cleanest offensive game they played in a month and a half I thought you know I said the offense uh didn't embarrass themselves

The defense embarrassed to everybody. Yeah, no, the offense, this is one of those games where there wasn't, they weren't, you know, co-conspirators. There was one, you know, at fault, the defensive side of the ball. Offensively, I thought everything looked, you know, here's the bottom line. When you don't turn the ball over and you don't commit penalties and you don't drop passes, then you're going to get better results. And so I gave them kudos for playing the cleanest game. They've played in a while, and I thought Mariotta was good in the game.

I thought Mariotta had his receivers in this game, you know, bail them out. You know, we've seen a lot of games in which receivers haven't bailed out either quarterback, Marioita or Jaden. You know, Debo Samuels, you know, in the Kansas City game on the bubble screen, you know, having it bounce off his chest and have it inters, you know, had the ball was intercepted. Cripling play in that game in that first half. but it was a clean game all together. They still... And they protected. I thought they protected Marieto pretty good.

I thought they protected him pretty well. I thought Tunsel was good. Again, against one of the best pass rushes and the league. Tunsel did a good job. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah. That defense coming in was great. I think, look, it wasn't a great offensive output.

I mean, part of it is they just didn't have the ball enough. I mean, they were two of ten on third down. They only had 288 yards. But, you know, they averaged, you know, five and a half yards per play. That's not terrible. It wasn't the eight that Detroit averaged. But the key was that they didn't have, you know,

drive-ending penalties, drive-ending drops, or drive-ending turnovers. And they've had a lot of all of the three during the last month and a half. You know, that's really been what it's been. Yeah. So let me read this from, this came from Aaron.

Can't believe, Kevin, you haven't mentioned the Detroit Stadium takeover. Felt like old times, although not that old, not a pretty sight. Like you've said, if they don't win big and win big consistently, ownership is fighting an uphill battle against their name decision. And like Thomas said, thank God they got the stadium deal done before. this season. I was not at the game Sunday, nor were you. I did hear from multiple people that it felt like

some of the games in the past, that it was a Detroit, Silver, and Honolulu Blue Tankover. Yeah. I did hear that as well. And I think, you know, that's, you put that on the pile of disappointments because I think there was a sense

that they had turned the corner on that. Yeah, but I don't think they had. I mean, I think there were a lot of Chicago fans in that Monday night game weren't there. I think we heard that there were. Look, I think that last year had they gone six and eleven or seven, if they had this season last year, that there would have been traction on name and brand shifting and changing. Does that mean that after having this season in year two, after they made the decision and declared it after the season last year, I have no idea. I know that they know that there are lots of issues with this and there have been. And I think they took the path

of least resistance last year because they could afford to because they went 14 and 5, 14 and 6 and had a superstar quarterback and all was looking great. And it looked like, you know, this is going to be the beginning of a run. I still think it is the beginning of a run. I think we're just going to look back on this year and say, wow, hard to overcome. You know, in year two, with the cupboard still relatively bare in terms of personnel, this kind of injury situation. But, yeah, I heard it was not a great feel Sunday. And they have, remember, they still have home games against the Cowboys and the Eagles.

Christmas Day and then the Eagles a few days before that. Denver is their next home game. Uh, so that will be, um, yeah, that will be, do Denver fans travel well? I don't know if they do or don't, to be honest. I don't know if they do or not. They have a great fan base, always have. They basically have the Rocky Mountain time zone, you know, fan base all to themselves. They've always had great, great fans, but I don't seem to think that their fans travel

like Steeler fans, like Packer fans, like Cowboy fans, you know, etc. Cowboy fans don't even have to travel. They're everywhere. Yeah, they're already there. Yeah. Speaking of other teams, I do want to talk a little bit about the weekend and the game last night. And we will do that and more after these words from a few of our sponsors. The holiday season is approaching, and guys, I've got a good gift idea for you.

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Uh, Bob Happy birthday, Bob. I just talked to Bob about a week ago. Had a really nice conversation with him. You know, Bob, because you guys were neighbors, right? We were next door neighbors, yes. Yeah. Well, I've known Bob for about 20 years, and he's a stand-up guy.

We tried to do the right thing. We've always talked about his support of the D.C. Graves. He hosts our event every year. You know, Bob, also Bob, we recognize your service here on Veterans Day because Bob is an ex-Marine. Yeah. So I think that he's created this great. It's great, but I think I can say this because I think I have spoken about Bob's father before.

Bob's father was Italian intelligence during World War II. On the side, by the way, of the Axis powers. And I can't tell you, Tommy, how many times as my neighbor, because Bob moved into the house next to us after his parents passed away. But his father was one of the most interesting people just to sit there and have conversations with about his life, just such an interesting person with so many incredible stories of that time frame, which, you know, I find so interesting to begin with.

But anyway, go ahead. You know, well, Bob himself is a great storyteller and interesting as well. Yeah. And look, if you happen to get to Shelly sometime, you know, maybe Bob will be there. He's there often, especially during the day. Go up and introduce yourself to him. He's a great guy. and, you know, if you want to find out more about Shelly's Backroom,

you go to their website, shelley's backroom.com. Happy birthday, Bob, enjoy it. Real quickly, before we get to some of the other NFL from this weekend, including last night's game. So, Duran Payne, the punch that he threw at Amman Rae St. Brown, there is video out there now that shows what precipitated it. and Amon Rae St. Brown punched Duran Payne. Just punched him.

This was right before Duran went after him, but he walked up to him and punched him. And so, yeah, it doesn't, you know, excuse the response because you cost your team being in there the rest of the game, not that it was going to make a difference. And, you know, you're not, you're suspended for the next one. And the league upheld the suspension after, I think, you know, a request for an appeal. Yeah. But there is video out there that does show Amman Ra, you know, punching Tehran Payne first. So there you go.

Look, I get, most of us get that it's a hard thing to do not to respond. Okay. Yeah. Talk about heat of the moment. That's real heat of the moment stuff. The worst part about it is the record. right there. The referee's right there and watches it and does not flag a Monra.

Yeah, that's not right. That's not right. But the result wasn't right either. You know, what he, what they did wasn't right. But, and, you know, but, you know, how long has Duranne been in the league now? Five, six years?

Seven years? No, he's 20, he's 2018. This is year seven, year eight. Okay. and you're the team captain for the game. You've got to have a better presence of mind than that. But I understand the emotion of the moment. I'm taking Duran off the hook for this one.

I'm watching this video now over and over again. How does the referee right in front of this? He witnesses Duran getting punched by a Monra. I don't understand. And Duran looks right at the referee. Like, did you see that? What are you going to, what are you going to, call. And this is by the way

what really upset Kinlaw. Kinlaw got upset with the referee because he's like, you watched Amman Ra Punch Durand. And you didn't call that. Well, you've got to be smarter about your kinlaw's in the back. You have to

be smarter about your revenge. There's a lot of places to get revenge in a football game. Kinlaw's in the background, watches the punch, and starts making the, you know, throw the flag, you know, motion with his hand. Like, you got to throw the flag. They didn't, this is, this has to be one of those situations where the referee that witnesses this entire thing has to be reprimanded. I'm not, look, Durran's got to keep his cool, but it's hard to keep your cool. when the referee watches the entire thing

and Duran's staring at the ref, Kinlaw's like, are you going to flag him for this? And it doesn't happen. And then so moments later, Duran gets his revenge. It was the feisty as he's been all year. I know.

But the revenge, you can get revenge in a lot of pile-ups at a game. They didn't have that many pilots. They weren't tackling that many people. No, this for Detroit, this was like open road, man. They were flying 90 with no cops and no other cars on the road. All lanes to themselves.

Yeah. I'm pissed watching this. Because I'm a Duran Payne fan. I know I've been for a long time. And I understand the, you know, the problem with being a Duran Payne fan is that he doesn't, you know, play every play. He takes plays off. I've just loved his talent and his ability. And apparently he's been a lovely teammate to everybody during his time here.

But this isn't right. The referee watches the scuffle. And then as he goes towards the two of them to break it up, Amman Ross swings and hits Duran right in the helmet his helmet is jarred sideways and the referee just you know puts his arms between the two of them to break him up how a monrod did not get flagged and thrown out for this is beyond me beyond me because if he gets flagged and thrown out the other part never happens yeah that referee i'm just i don't know who he is has to be reprimanded for this okay i'm not taking geron off the hook i'm not taking him off the hook but i understand the reaction

and by the way, at the point in which he's doing this, they're down 20 to 3 or 22 to 3, 20 to 3, I think it was. They're not winning this game. Duran, yeah, he should have gotten it on a play in which he went after a Monrod and cheap shot at him, you know, rather than open punched him with play without a play. He should have gotten his revenge on a play. You know, he and Ken Law should have figured out how to get, you know, their revenge on an actual play. but yeah they're both veterans they know how to do that but my god that is a poor poor

officiating job you can't it's one thing to miss the first act and only catch the second the referee caught the first clear he was there he was the initial scuffle he's trying to break up there's they're drawn back and forth and then amon ra throws the punch all right um other NFL from the weekend uh I'll start with last night sometimes I come in here and, you know, I'm like, wow, it was 10 to 7, but that was a hell of a football game. I don't know where I am on last night's game. I watched it start to finish. I will tell you this, though, these are two excellent defensive football teams, but they don't have anywhere near the firepower that Seattle and the Rams have. Seattle and the Rams are the two best teams,

not only in the NFC, they might be the two best teams in football. They play this coming week. in what will be the first of two massive matchups between these two teams. The NFC West is loaded. The 49ers, I think, are just a step behind because of the injuries they've had, you know, this year. But I don't know, Philly and Jordan Love, when he plays at a high level, he is special. He makes some of the most boneheaded mistakes in games. He costs them three points at the end of the half, trying to get out of a sack and throw one, which was a fumble.

Yeah. I don't know what to make of Philly and Green Bay. I'm telling you, Tommy, yeah, go ahead. I get the feeling, that's my impression, that there hasn't been that much great football in the NFL this year. Oh, Seattle's been great. No, I mean, not great teams, great football games. There haven't been that many.

We've had some good ones. I don't think we've had some good ones. I know you've had some good ones. found to have some good ones. Well, we had a great one a couple of weeks ago. We had the, I got to go back because that was all of like two. The Buffalo game? Was it a Buffalo game?

Hold on. Last week we had the, well, the Bears Bengals game was just epic. And the week before that, the Jets Bengals game was crazy. last week you had last week it was great football there were great games but I think the Tampa Seattle game from about a month ago now stands out as one of the best games by two good teams this year you had the Broncos come back against the Giants man the Giants gave it up again how about the Bears how about the Bears with Caleb Williams sitting there at six and three and tied for first place in the NFC North

That's crazy. Yeah. But I think that we have right now, Seattle and the Rams stand out to me. The two teams that played last night, I know what the conversation was about this game. Is this going to be a preview of the NFC title game? I think both defenses are awesome. And I think they're so well coached defensively. Look, I can't count Philadelphia out of this thing.

You know, they could end up with the one seat easily. but, man, Seattle and the Rams, those that didn't catch what Seattle did after pummeling our team, they led in their game against, keep in mind, against an Arizona team that had won on Monday night against a great, you know, offensive team in Dallas that they had held down. Seattle had 35 points in this game. Now, there were a couple of defensive touchdowns. DeMarcus Lawrence had two defensive touchdowns, which is, kind of sick.

But they were up 35 to nothing, 38 to 9th, 38 to 7, excuse me, at the end of the first half, but it was 35 to nothing with still eight minutes to go in the second quarter. I know what they did to us. They put 31 up on the first half. They had 38 against Arizona. And then they're just really, really good. And they've got, I think right now, Right now, I think Jackson Smith and the Jigba, you can put into the Jefferson and to the chase class of just being uncoverable as a receiver, literally uncoverable.

Rashid Shihid played in his first game. He didn't do much. But back to last night, I think Philly is going to be there. I like Jordan Love a lot. I just don't know if they can win three games with his decision making. Yeah. So that game was, you know, intense for sure, start to finish, cold weather. The Rams 49ers game from Sunday, Tommy, was, God, the Rams are so good right now. Matt Stafford is the – he's the second favorite right now for the MVP. What a season he's having. 25 touchdowns, two interceptions, 67% completion. percentage, 2,400 yards already in nine games. He's going to throw for, you know, 4,500 plus what a season they're having. And they are loaded everywhere, not to mention really well-coached.

That game really was, I know it got to 21-14, but it was really never in doubt. And then I've got to mention, because I watched Pat's Buccaneers start to finish. Drake May was outstanding in the game. Look, he made some throws. that were iffy through a pick, through a couple of other balls that were iffy. He had a barely a 50% completion percentage, but he's got gamer written all over him. Look, Trayvion Henderson was the star of that game with a 69 and a 55-yard touchdown run, and their defense is so good.

But I'm impressed with the Patriots. That was the test. Todd Bowles, the Bucks defense, you know, on the road. It was raining in that game, impressed by them. Will they win the AFC East? Well, after Buffalo lost to Miami, maybe. Are they going to be in the Super Bowl? I don't think so.

I think the Chiefs are still the team to beat in the AFC. Aaron Rogers did play a bad game for the first time this year. Really play. Now, one of those interceptions obviously was a drop, and I guess there were six registered drops in the game. But I didn't think he threw the ball well Sunday night. I didn't think he saw it well. The Chargers defense is outstanding.

But that was the first game that Aaron Rogers this year was legit like looking his age against that defense. And the Steelers now own a one-game lead over the Ravens. Here come the Ravens, who beat the Vikings. J.J. McCarthy. In Minnesota. Yeah. J.J. McCarthy struggling right now as a young quarterback. What else from Sunday stood out?

That's it. We're going to get a Dolphins team on Sunday, just so you know. They beat the Falcons two weeks ago, 34 to 10. The Ravens lost. They were in that game in the first half. They moved the football against the Ravens. They dominated Buffalo. So we're getting a team that is feeling much better about themselves.

And- 197 yards rushing last week. Well, Devon A-Chane is as fast as anybody in the league. He had a buck seventy-four and two touchdowns against Buffalo. Jalen Waddle is not going to be coverable by any of our defenders. They won't certainly be what Seattle and Detroit were, but they're not going to be an easy team to defend. They should be an easier team to move the football against.

They should, they've played some, Keep in mind, you know, somebody, one of my callers pointed this out today. Not only have they played better offensive teams than they played last year, they've played better defensive teams other than the Eagles games than they played last year. You know, the Lions and Seahawks and Chiefs in particular are good defensive teams. The Chargers who they played and actually dismantled after the first two drives when they were the healthiest they've been in a month and a half. They're an excellent defensive team.

The Packers in Week 2, remember how great they were defensively, and they still are that great. By the way, Denver's great defensively. They're coming up Thanksgiving weekend. Minnesota's really good defensively, and of course the Eagles are good defensively. So they've got, you know, still some challenges, but Miami defensively won't be anywhere near what the Chief Seahawks and Lions were in a row. So there is some hope there that maybe they can put up, you know, 27, 30, and hang in there in a shootout kind of a game. Miami, by the way, the favorite at MyBooky, now up to two and a half point favorites at My Booky. The total is at 48 right now.

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that I wanted to mention before we call it a day including you know over the weekend Maryland lost in football should Loxley get fired, and the Maryland-Georgetown basketball game from Friday night. That and more after these words from a few of our sponsors. Again, as taking over for, you know, defensive play calling here, what type of an impact do you think you can make? Going into his tough decision, Scott, obviously, to go into that. I'm hopeful that we'll see, you know, kind of the execution and consistency that we're searching for.

And that's a number one top of the pile to get that part right. We've been digging for it. We haven't had it. We haven't found it. And so that type of consistency and execution, Scott, that's what I'm after. And that's the only reason behind the move. So that's what I'm going to have to chase first. That was Dan Quinn, Tommy, answering a question from, Scott Abraham. Did you hear the pause? Like, let me, I'm going

to have to think about that one for a while. Yeah, I think he was half tempted to say, I don't know. I don't know what kind of impact I can make, calling plays. I don't know. But it might be a little bit easier against, you know, some of the upcoming

teams that it was for my guy, Joe Whit Jr. Yeah, I mean, he has the same personnel issues. I would like to think that with Quinn taking it over, we'll see something improved. Because right now, as of Sunday, everything that's required of a defense, they do about as poorly as a team can do them.

You know, effort and energy, urgency, that's gone by the wayside the last two weeks. Tackling, covering, rushing the passer, stopping the run, taking the ball away. Like, whatever list is included of the things that make a great defense, they don't do any of those things even at an average level. So maybe we'll get something that'll look a little bit different. What? It depends maybe if he stops being the good guy. You know, I remember I had a health class in high school where we had a new teacher. Okay.

and we drove him nuts. I mean, we were out of control class. We drove him nuts. We literally drove the guy out of teaching. You know, halfway through the semester, they brought in another guy, a guy who was a football coach on the team. And I remember one of my friends said something during the first class,

and he picked that kid up in his school chair, chair desk at all and threw him across the room he set the tone and we never had any problem in class after that we knew the other guy was gone okay yeah

so if he's just you know just a better version of Joe Wade I'm not sure it's going to do too much difference I mean you know but that's not his style you know it's just not his style I mean the idea of the head coach

taking over to defensive play calling should at least send a signal to the players that just quite haven't gotten it yet. This is serious. Yeah. Well, you know, I failed to mention this, but I'm just thinking about it right now. And that is, you know, Dan Quinn defenses have had a difficult time. We all know this now with Shanahan style. offenses. You know, this year alone, Matt LaFleur in week two, Zach Robinson, you know, off the McVeigh tree, off the Shanahan tree in week four. And then we got the Clint Kubiak, you know, against the Seahawks. Well, Mike McDaniel is off the Shanahan tree. Yeah. That's what they get on Sunday. So then you get Kevin O'Connell, you know, coming up the week after that. So, yeah,

interesting. We'll see how he does. I wonder if he'll make some significant personnel changes. Maybe Wagner won't play every snap. They've been playing a lot of linebackers anyway recently. I wanted to finish up the show with two things Terps related. Although I did want to just mention real quickly that last night the Wizards lost a game to the Pistons. Yes, I'm going to mention the Wizards briefly, very briefly. They lost to the Pistons. last night, 137, 135 in overtime. They're now 1 in 10, if you didn't know that. Worst defense in the league, it's not even close in terms of points allowed. Cam Whitmore continues to play well for them. He had a dunk in this game, which was, it made the Sports Center top 10. I think it was number three on the list. Cam Whitmore has always been an athlete, you know, and he's another one of those guys,

another first-round guy. You know, he didn't get selected by Washington. You know, got selected by Houston in the first round, but another first round guy that they added, you know, he's 20 or 21 years old from the area. Good God, does he have hops? Man, he has hops. That's it on the Wizards. The other thing, too, just real quickly, if you saw.

Didn't they blow like an eight-game, eight-point lead with like two minutes left or something like that? I don't know. I didn't watch the game. Yeah, they blew the lead. Okay. I can look that up real quickly. They blew a lead a few weeks ago against, I think, the Sixers. Let me see.

They blew a huge lead to the 76ers a few weeks ago. Who cares? Nobody cares. I want to finish up with two Maryland topics, Tommy. The loss on Friday night to Georgetown in men's basketball. And the loss by Maryland's football program, Saturday against Rutgers, It's their fifth straight loss. They're four and five.

And a lot of the, you know, it's time to move on from Mike Loxley talk has hit, you know, as much of a fever pitch as it can hit because there are just so few people actually interested in Maryland football. It's a small group of people that are interested in Maryland football. But those people that are really interested believe that Mike Loxley's tenure should come to an end. So real quickly on the basketball game, great atmosphere. I thought the crowd did a great job of getting there before, you know, six o'clock starts. I've complained about them. And many times we've seen it in years past, you know, even a seven o'clock start. The crowd's not really in their place until late first half.

But, you know, a lot of the crowd was there at the beginning. The students were outstanding. The atmosphere was great. It's going to be great to have this game back in a part of, you know, know the sports, you know, the DMV sports calendar. This was the first of four years, next year back at Capital One. Maryland lost the game 70 to 60. Georgetown was the better team. Georgetown, I love Malik Mack. I love number four and number five. I forget their names, whatever their names are. Maryland struggled mightily on offense. They did not look super cohesive offensively.

they really struggled at the beginning of the game and the beginning of the second half to score. I thought both teams for the most part defended and really competed at a high level. It was not a pretty game to watch. A bit of a rock fight. Georgetown won at 70 to 60.

I think Maryland got a 20-point lead to 7 at one point in the second half. Maryland's going to be a work in progress here, people. Maryland basketball fans that listen to this podcast, it's game two. It was November 7th or whatever it was.

This is 15 new players, Miles Rice playing in his first game. Solomon Washington still not playing. Some people think he's a top three player on this team. It's going to be, it's going to take some time. There is no doubt it's going to take some time. And somebody who coached with Buzz at Texas A&M reminded me, because he's a listener to this show, he reminded me that Buzz's teams tend to come along

slowly on offense. They've never been juggernauts offensively. We knew that when they hired him. His teams are defensive. They're big time offensive rebounding teams. They're rugged teams. And that game was rugged. That's for sure. But it's just going to take some time. And I know the schedule's difficult, although they play Marquette on Saturday

after playing, I think, Alcorn State tonight. And then Marquette got blown out by Indiana. for whatever that's worth. I mean, we'll see. It's going to, we, you can't declare anything after one real game. The Coppin game wasn't a real game. We got to see seven, eight, nine of these. He's got to figure out, you know, what his rotation is. I know this. He loved the atmosphere. And I think, you know, he was reminded or told, look, this is, you know, this was good, but it's nowhere near what it can be. And we Maryland fans know that Xfinity,

center on its best night rivals almost anywhere in the country. Last year, as an example, the Michigan State game. Problem is, too many nights, it's not anywhere near that. Friday night was great. You've got to have games like this, excited about it, pissed off that they lost. You know, that tells you how I feel about the Georgetown game and the importance of the Georgetown game. I texted, saw some of my Georgetown friends at the game, CJ, a longtime program director

at 980. You know, he is like, you know, a son to the Thompson's and was coach's producer for many years. And by his side, he's Georgetown guy, big Georgetown supporter. He was there with a couple of guys. Jay Rivita was there, Georgetown supporter. Congrats to you guys. I'm pissed that we lost the game. But as far as the season goes, it's not a tell on the season that early.

But I'm glad, you know, these two programs, grams are playing each other. And next year, a chance to get back, you know, at them at Capital One. But it had been a long time. It had been 17 years since Georgetown had beaten Maryland. Of course, they had only played twice. And that was in 15 and 16. But long way to go. Yeah, I like Miles Rice. The freshman Darius Adams did not have a good game. It was really out of control. But I love his talent. We'll see. Long way to go. Thought for Payne really battled. Big Ten's going to be tough, though, for sure this year. All right, to Maryland football. So they lost to Rutgers, and now their chances at bowl eligibility in this season

that started four-and-o dwindling. They have Illinois on the road this week. They're a big dog. They have Michigan at home the following week. They'll be a big underdog, and then they close against Michigan State. Michigan State's not very good, but they've got to win two out of their final three now two out of their final three to get to bowl eligibility so it looks unlikely. They started 4-0, but really what we said during that 4-0 start, they didn't really beat anybody. Even the win at Wisconsin was a bit, you know, too quick to jump to any conclusions. Wisconsin stinks, even though they beat Washington for their first Big Ten win over the weekend.

I thought at one point watching the Terps this year, it's one of the Loxley's better overall teams because they were really good on defense. They've had a lot of injuries now to their defense. It's hurt them. And for the first time, other than, well, second week in a row because Indiana is really good. They were not good defensively. They had an opposing running back, Antoine Raymond for Rutgers, run for 240 yards, Tommy on 41 carries. That's a lot of carries at any level.

They couldn't stop the run. This guy ran right through him, even after, you know, contact. I mean, he was great. Rutgers won the game. Maryland is at four and five. And the talk, of course, with Loxley, as it's been, you know, this isn't the first time it's come up, is, okay, it's time to move on from Mike Loxley. He's not a very good coach.

I'll get to Loxley's job security here in a few minutes, but I did want to read something and respond to it. This from UM Duggy or U.M. Doogie, he writes, Sheehan, are you going to finally grow a pair and call for Loxley's job, or do I have to listen to you slurp him again? Yeah, thanks for that. You am Duggy, you'm Duggy. You're not the only person in recent weeks or even in the last few years that has reached out to me occasionally,

whether it's social media or email and wondered if I have it in me to criticize Mike Loxley. I'll be honest with you. I have no idea what you're talking about. You must not listen that carefully. I will concede this, that I don't talk a lot about Maryland football on this show. And I don't because nobody cares for the most part. Even all of you TURP fans that listen to the radio show or the podcast, you care about basketball, you don't care as much about football. And that's because obviously Maryland is a basketball first school.

It's unique in that way. It's always been that way. It's that way now probably more than ever. And there are people in College Park, trust me, that are not happy that people like me say that over and over again. but it's just the truth. You know, we care about men's basketball, not even as much about men's basketball as we used to, in terms of the market anyway,

Maryland football, for the most part, on the sports landscape in the DMV is irrelevant, you know, and the only way for it to become relevant is for it to win big, big, big. You know, ranked 10th in the country, 7 and 0, Ohio State's coming to town for a showdown for first place, in the Big Ten. But look, I've been critical of Loxley plenty. I've praised Loxley plenty. He's a great recruiter. Think about how bad of a football program Maryland is among the power four conferences in terms of the interest level. Everybody puts out the shots of, you know, the stadium on Saturdays.

There is, I mean, I can't name one offhand. Maybe there are one or two, but there aren't many that have such a disinterested market or fan base than Maryland football among Power 4 conference schools. And look at what he's been able to do in terms of getting players to come. He's had top 25 recruiting classes. He's got five-star guys showing up. It's amazing what he's done as a recruiter. I have praised him for that. I've praised him for the one stretch of football since Ralph Freedion was here that was somewhat entertaining the Leotung of Iloa three years, where they went to three bowl games and won three times. But I've been plenty critical of Mike Loxley. I mean, you're just not listening carefully enough, or you just want to hear what you want

to hear. And those of you that feel the same way as you M. Doogie feels, I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. I've consistently been critical of how undisciplined they are as a team. how they are among the, you know, the conference leaders, the country leaders, year in and year out in penalties. And by the way, so many of them, so dumb, pre-snap penalties, penalties that just make no sense, that derail drives, that take scores off the board. I've been plenty critical of clock management, time management, score management, the whole thing. I don't think Mike Loxley is a great coach at all. I think he's a great recruiter. I think he's a phenomenal communicator. And by the way, just so you know, and I think most of you know this,

Mike Loxley doesn't give a shit what you think or what I think, given what he's been through in his life over the last several years. And, you know, he actually has a sense of humor about the criticism. I saw, you know, last week when Indiana was crushing Maryland and people were chanting Fire Loxley, he said something to the effect of, yeah, if I'd been at that game and watch the way we played and had a few pops, had a few beers, I'd be chanting the same thing. But you're not going to affect him

with what he's been through in his life over the last few years. But yeah, that's just a bogus claim. UMDuggy, U.M. Dougie, U.M. Doogie. Sorry about this rant, Tommy. I just, I don't, you know, I think it stems from the Turgeon years in particular

when you guys all thought that I kissed up to Turgeon too much and I couldn't be critical of Turgeon because I was friends and played golf with Turgeon. I know Mark Turgeon. I know Mark and Ann very well. I consider them friends, but it's not like they're close friends. If he wasn't a good coach, I would have been critical of him, and I was critical of him at times.

I was very critical of the March output, you know, and said when it all ended, I said, look, at the end of the day, no matter how good of a coach you are, and he was a very good coach, and I was concerned about being able to do a lot better than Mark. bottom line is the program had gotten stale because of the March results. I think even he understood that. But a lot of the criticism of him during that time was just so dishonest. You know, like, I mean, when Willard got here and they got ranked really quickly early in his first year and they sold out a couple of games, people were saying, oh, first sellout since Gary was coached. First time they've been ranked since Gary was coached. I'm like, come on, people. You know, the truth will do.

the March results weren't good enough. He was the third winningest coach during his time in the Big Ten after Izzo and Painter. He was ranked plenty. He went to the tournament a lot. It had become almost a given that they were going to be a tournament team pretty much every year. You know, four out of five years, worst case. You know, that's not, you know, a given in the sport. And so, yeah, I thought he was an excellent coach.

Other coaches, by the way, in the Big Ten thought he was an excellent coach. and reached out to Scott, you know, as an example, when it ended for Mark and said, you guys are losing one hell of a basketball coach. But I understood the March, you know, situation. And so did he. Too bad the 2020 team didn't get a shot, but, you know, it didn't. But back to Loxley. Look, he has a $13 million buyout.

This kind of tells you what Maryland football is, you know, Notre Dame, LSU all these $50 million buyouts right now. I don't think it's easy to find somebody to pay the $13 million buyout. Why? Because Maryland football just isn't, you know, that important to enough people that can write the check. Maryland basketball is. Maryland football isn't. So there you go. I mean, it's $13 million. It's not a lot. But it may be hard to find the money to buy them out. Would I be in favor of it? I wouldn't be against it at this point, but I would say that it's certainly not going to be a coveted job opening. And in this job carousel, my God, you're going to be left with scraps. Now, maybe you need a scrap.

Maybe you need a first-time guy, and you try to hit the Kurt Signetti, you know, inside straight, although there's not really a store or a tree that you go get Kurt Signettys from. But maybe the JMU coach now is the next Kurt Signetti. don't know, okay? But it's not going to be a sought-after job opportunity for anybody with a real resume as a head coach at the Division I level. It just isn't. It's bottom of the barrel in terms of job opportunities among power for schools. So you've got to be careful. What are you going to get? You're not going to find somebody that can recruit at his level. You're going to lose some talented players that are on the team right now. That would be the least of my concerns.

Malik Washington leaving if Loxley were to get fired and bought out that would not be my number one concern I think he's a talented kid I like a lot of what I see I also see a lot of flaws and I don't think like he's a lock answer to Maryland being ranked in the top 10

and having Michigan or Oregon come here next year in a big November showdown for first place in the conference I don't see that with Malik Washington I think he's talented I'd love him to be the quarterback moving forward, watch them develop, but I'm not making my decision if I'm Maryland off of Malik Washington being here or not being here, or any of the other talented freshmen, including the incredible incoming class. I'm looking for the guy if they decide to

move on from this that gets more out of less. That's what you have to find at Maryland for Maryland football. Ralph got more out of less. Bobby Ross got more at a less. They were the two best coaches along with Jerry Claiborne in Maryland football history. And they dealt with the same challenges. They didn't recruit at the highest levels of the sport, but they were able to coach it up. They coached it up year and year out, more out of less. It's a different landscape.

We're in the Big Ten. We're not in the ACC anymore. But we're also in the salary cap era with an expanded playoff to 12 teams where teams like Indiana and Vanderbilt have made their presence known. Maryland, you know, Vanderbilt and Indiana is certainly a basketball first school. Now, they're more interested in their football program. I'm talking about before Signetti than we are in our football program. I love Maryland football.

I go back forever, and I have so many fond memories of big-time Maryland football games, big-time Maryland football players, and I'd love to see it be, you know, somewhat relevant again. I would. I wouldn't be against the buyout of Loxley and moving on but I also understand that I can't step up and write the check nor can any of you perhaps I'm guessing and it's not going to be a coveted job and it would be a shitty coaching carousel

this go around to try to hire somebody there you go Tommy do you have any thoughts on this no look and I don't have a horse in this I'm not passionate about it like you and Terp fans are. But I don't think you should ever face a situation where you just live with the guy who you know is not very good

because you don't think you can get somebody better. Yeah. You know, Marilyn's new athletic director would certainly help them. Jim Smith, I had them on this show right before the Washington game, right before their five-game losing skid started. But I think they'll have

a better opportunity to attract, you know, a quality head coach with Jim Smith as their AD than perhaps, you know, what they've had in their previous ADs, not just Damon Evans, but, you know, even before that. So there is that. And he's going to have to make the decision, and he's going to have to find the person to write the check because I don't think it's coming from the athletic department. But it's just not going to be easy in this, you know, off season. with Florida and LSU and Penn State and all of these jobs out there open that are much, much, much, much, much more attractive than the Maryland job is. All right, I will be back tomorrow with Steve and his film breakdown

if you want to hear it of the Detroit game. Let's find out who really sucked. Tune in tomorrow. See you, Tommy. See you, Kevin.