The Kevin Sheehan Show - Quinn's Seat Temperature + Wizards #1

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

Kevin and Thom today with plenty on the Wizards picking first in tonight's NBA Draft. Who the guys want along with Kevin's list of other players from the draft he likes a lot. The boys talked about Dan Quinn's seat temperature heading into the 2026 season. Also on the show, World Cup, Nats, Trae Young, Texas Roadhouse rolls, and lots more.   For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match   So if you are looking to make Mother’s Day perfect, or just want to impress your friends and family with an epic meal next time you host, go to www.GOLDBELLY.com and get free shipping and 20% off your first order with promo code sheehan.   Ready to do your own spring reset? Join Thrive Market with my link www.ThriveMarket.com/SHEEHAN for $20 off your first three orders plus you’ll get a FREE $60 gift.   Chime is not just smarter banking, it is the most rewarding way to bank. Head to www.Chime.com/SHEEHAN. It only takes a few minutes to sign up.   Search Whatnot—W H A T N O T—in the App Store, download, and you can start selling right away.   Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. The show's presenting sponsor.

As always, Window Nation, 86690 Nation, Window Nation.com. If you need new windows, if I sound like I'm a little bit slow to start, Tommy just hit me right before we started to record the show with, by the way, I got a shot in my eye today. God, why do you have to tell me that?

Nobody wants to hear about these shots that you get in your eye. God. I wasn't good. I didn't know we tell. I didn't think we were going to use it for the show, but you get particularly worked up about it. I don't understand why. It's really difficult.

There are certain things in medical procedures that I don't think anybody wants to hear about. Like, you know, going in through your, you know, your private part in some sort of kidney stone, you know, extraction. Nobody wants to envision that. You get a shot in your eye like it's a quarterly thing. It's like we got a quarterly budget meeting, and it's Tom walking in with a needle hanging out of his eye. Actually, I get seven shots a year.

Well, that's more than quarterly. Three and the other. Yeah. Oh, God. I tell you what things are working. A catheter is worse. I've had a catheter before. About a year ago.

That's worse. Yeah, and no one wants to hear about a catheter, which, by the way, was when I had my surgery just over a year ago, everybody, you know, that had it told me that's the worst part. Actually, I didn't think it was that bad. It wasn't great. It's not like, hey, I'd love to get a catheter to hang out with me for the next few days. It'll sell them at 7-Eleven. No, you can't get them at CVS. No.

But, yeah, I know you've told me before, but you obviously get numbed up before, right? Yes. Do you take... They put drops in your eye that numbs your eyes. Do you take, like, a Valium or Xanax, or do you take anything before you? Oh, God. No. How about do you have a couple of beers before you go in to get it done?

No, I don't. I have a very good doctor. He does an excellent job. It's a comfort thing, not a pain thing. Okay. You know, and hey, if they didn't have this medicine that ain't put my right eye, I'd probably be blind in it. Well, we don't want you to be blind.

I mean, there are some people that think that you, you know, are certainly, you know, vision impaired. But we don't want you to be just flat out blind. And Stevie, by the way. something good. Stevie wants to know, did Tom get his Father's Day wish? And if so, where is a Texas Roadhouse in the DMV? Well, I happen to know the answer to this because Tommy texted me a picture on Father's Day.

But why don't you tell everybody and answer Stevie's email about what you did on Father's Day? Well, I can happily report that, yes, I did make it to Texas Roadhouse. for Father's Day. Not only did I send you the picture of me holding basket of rolls with butter at my table, but I posted it on social media as well and got a lot of support. You did. Okay. Including one who said, he slob, eat a salad once in a while. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to post, you know, your meals, you're going to get some of that. Of course. Yeah, those rolls, by the way, they looked so good when you texted me that picture of it.

They are. Is that a flavored butter in the middle? It looks like it's got some flavor in it. Yeah. Yeah, that looks good. Yes, it does. Somebody texted me that said the New York Times did a story about the best restaurant bread in America, and Texas Roadhouse was ranked third. Wow.

I want to hear who the top two are. Yes. Best bread. I said last week, when they take you to your table, and it's a madhouse in there. I mean, it's Father's Day. It's packed. Yeah. You know, and it's loud.

And, I mean, it's not an atmosphere kind of place, except when it's your birthday, and they know it, then they come around and sing to you and make you get on a wooden horse. They do? You got on a wooden horse? Oh, boy. Yes, that's what they do. I've never experienced that, but I've seen people. do it. Where is the Texas? Where are these places in the DMB? I don't know where the other

ones are. There's one in Frederick. Okay. So on Route 85, just across from the Silver Diner and Westview Shopping Center, I highly recommend. And the reason it was a big deal, because it's not typically, like if my wife and I are going out to dinner, she's not going to want to hear, let's go to Texas Road Hound. Right. Of course not. So I took advantage. of it on Father's Day, figuring I had the rights to pretty much choose wherever I went, and it was great. I had the country fried chicken with a nice cream sauce. Move, yeah.

Yeah, and what else? You had the rolls? Did you have a side salad? No, no side salad. Although I got to tell you something, for the past couple months, I've been eating a salad almost every day. That's good. I think I've told you this. before. I eat spinach every day. I just grab a handful of spinach. It's always in my refrigerator. Sometimes

it's in the refrigerator here at my studio. And I do that every single day so that if I don't end up having a salad or anything green, I get at least, you know, the superfood green, which is spinach. Broccoli is really good for you too. Okay, pot pie. What, exactly. What else did you, what else did you have? I want to have some fries Yeah Did you have You passed on dessert Right you're not a dessert eater

Yeah I'm not a dessert guy Then we went to the movies To seek disclosure day Oh tell me New Spielberg movie Tell me about it Terrible Really?

Terrible Okay It was It was I can't believe how bad it was Wow It was juvenile Emily Blunts in it right Yeah she's okay

It was so bad That didn't do anything for me. He'd have been better off making Jaws 5, the Talking Shark. Well, did Jaws ever make it to Jaws 3? I remember Jaws 2 was terrible. There were four Jaws 2. Were there really? I didn't.

Yes. God, I don't remember that. I actually watched a movie over the weekend, which I thought it was good. I didn't think it was great, but I thought it was good. The movie was the movie called Pressure. it was about the Eisenhower, the Allies D-Day decision as it relates to the weather. You know, they brought in, it's a true story, they brought in, they had an American meteorologist,

and they brought in who Churchill felt like was the best meteorologist in the world. By the way, he was played by this guy, Andrew Scott, who was, he was excellent. Brendan Fraser played Eisenhower. It was not Brendan Fraser's best, and I'm a Brendan Fraser fan. I think he's been very good. Chris Messina played the meteorologist who was an American. And apparently it's a very accurate story about the planning of D-Day and the weather. There were two major storms in the Atlantic.

And I won't tell you the whole story, but basically the British meteorologist who, who was the lead meteorologist, said, you can't go on June 5th. Your boys will be washed away. This is a very odd event to have these two storms coming together, and they're headed right for Normandy. And the American meteorologist is like, no, no, no, no, it's going to be sunny and clear. Well, the British meteorologist was correct. Major storms come in, and that's why D-Day got pushed a day later.

it was, and he initially said D-Day can't go until June 18th, because they also had an issue with tides and moon, you know, type of moon, etc. And then they came up with this small window of clear weather in Normandy, and that's when D-Day happened. It's actually, I mean, you know, I love weather, and I love anything World War II related typically. and this was, I thought, well done. Wasn't the greatest, but it was good. And I would recommend anybody that's into that kind of thing. It's a pretty interesting story. And this guy, Andrew Scott, was great.

What network? I watched it on, did I watch it on Apple? Or I don't even know now. As I've been seen, I'll bet you Apple. I think I watched it on Apple. It could have been Paramount. It could have been at Amazon. I forget now.

Let me look it up to see what it's on, actually. Whatever it was on, I watched it on that. But I liked it. But I, you know, it got, I think it got very good reviews. But I thought it was good. I just, I didn't think it was great. By the way, the Texas Roadhouse, number three, ranking on the best dinner rolls among restaurant chains. is accurate. Do you want to hear the rest of the top five?

Sure. So number five is Olive Garden. Red sticks. Is that what Olive Garden has? They got breadsticks? Oh, yeah. Breadsticks, buddy. Okay. Oh, here it is. It says Olive Garden's breadsticks deserve all the accolades for being addictively delicious. They're right about that.

Number four on the list is Longhorn Steakhouse. I've been to Longhorn once many, many, many years ago. Number three is Texas Roadhouse. This is what they say, the freshly baked bread rolls with honey cinnamon butter at Texas Roadhouse are widely considered to be the best you can get. Number two is Carrabahas. I've never been to a carrabahs, but I think I've seen a carrabahs. but I think I've seen a carrabba's. And then number one is the cheesecake factory.

The cheesecake factory's complementary brown bread is one of the best things on the menu, and is sold in stores too. So there you go. You were talking up these rolls, and I don't even think you knew how highly ranked they were. You know, I said this last week. When they take you to your table, they grab a basket, usually a hostess or a waiter. grabs a basket of rolls and leads you to your table. It's like a religious ritual, like taking the Eucharist to the altar,

something like that. It's like breadcrumbs. They're like, follow the rolls here, and you'll end up at your table. Yeah. Yes. You know, usually you have to sit down and then they'll bring bread. No, no, no. They bring the bread with you to your table.

Yeah. Just looking at the picture you sent, those roles look awfully, awfully good. I got this from Eric in D.C. This is another follow-up to the show the other day. Sheehan, Eby's, Nuff said, best burger in town, nothing close. It's an excellent burger. Ebees, it's in Shaw. I'm going to take you there.

One of these days you're going to come by here. We're going to do the show here, and then we'll go straight there. The problem is that they have a line often. You can't make a reservation. But I would bet that if we went over... But you're you. That doesn't mean anything. I bet if we went over there.

Let me just see if they even have lunch. It may be just a dinner opening time. Yeah, opens five o'clock. You should have your own burger there. No, you should have your own burger there. Open survive. Let me just also, because whenever burger talk comes up, I'm not. I am not short-selling one of the best.

burgers in town. That would be at Shelley's back room. Yes. Excellent burgers. Custom blends. Yeah. All right. We got some NBA draft to talk about the draft is tonight. The Wizards have the number

one pick. And we'll get to that. And I do want to talk about what Jason Lock and Forer wrote over the weekend about Dan Quinn. But I wanted to read two emails that I actually read at the very end of the radio show.

in part because as we sit here, I have soccer on television watching Portugal. Rinaldo finally scored a goal. First international competition goal for Rinaldo since 2021. A lot of pressure because Messi, Tommy, has scored five goals in two games for Argentina. This from Amika. Amika writes, Kevin, I listen to your show for your takes on American sports. soccer is not your thing and it's okay

but you'd be best to not get too involved in soccer analysis that was from Amica and then I get this you know it's funny that that's funny because we get this kind of pushback from hockey fans they want you to talk about hockey

exactly they want you to talk about soccer but that they really don't when they hear what you're saying 100% this is why I'm reading it because then I got this from Ryan. Ryan writes, Kevin, you say you love the World Cup, but you barely talk about it. More World Cup, please.

Nobody cares about OTA practices and Brandon Ayuk. Tommy, every four years. But you're right, it's the same thing with hockey. But every four years with this World Cup, I mean, soccer, people who, you know, honestly, some of you are truly insufferable. You are so pretent. You're so pretentious. And you're posers, most of you. I mean, not everybody.

Okay, I know that there are some people that really love the sport. And by the way, those people, you know, can love other sports too. But the people I'm talking about are the people that Tommy have referred to many times before, which is soccer is the sport for non-sports fans. And you people are seriously some of the worst. because every four years, I get this and you get this. It's like, you're going to talk about the biggest sporting event in the world? And then when you do, you're too unsophisticated to talk about this,

to understand this beautiful game. And if I don't talk about it, if we don't talk about it, we're idiots for not talking about it. It's really, it's a tradition every four years. But you're right, it happens a lot. with hockey too. Why don't you do more hockey? Are you kidding me? Are you going to tell me that you can't talk about the Caps, big win last night? And then when you do, it's like, impossible to listen to you guys talk about hockey. Yeah, I know. Hockey, though, is different. The soccer thing,

there really is this, it's very, there's a pretentiousness to. Of course there is. Yeah. It's a hipster thing. There is a, there's a hipster component to it. Yes. And it's like, I know this game. I follow Liverpool in the Premier League. I know who plays for these teams. I know what, okay, so whatever. I'm never going to change. First of all, I don't analyze these games, okay?

Tommy and I don't analyze the hockey games either. Tommy's analysis is tongue in cheek when he says, well, I thought they were getting a lot of traffic in front of the net. That's the analysis. Every year during the Caps playoff runs. Soccer, I'm not analyzing soccer, but I have the same take every four years. I don't like soccer. I don't like it at all, actually, but I like the World Cup.

I really enjoy the World Cup. And I had it on right here when my radio show ended about 35, 40 minutes ago, and Rinaldo scored a goal. It's on everywhere. Like at my cigar shop up here in front of it, it's on all the time. Yeah. But the MLS isn't on all the time. It's never on.

No, no, no, no. This is a worldwide event. It's cool that the entire world loves it. And I've seen these crowds. The crowds are incredible. I actually said something today on radio, and a friend of my text in me. He said, that was really, really bad. I said that my favorite part of these World Cup games are the national anthems.

They're so emotional. The crowd shots, the player shots, tears are flowing. It's very moving sometimes. What a soft that you are. I do like patriotism. Our patriotism and the importance of their countries and their country's sports teams. And look, I mean, I don't analyze the Olympics either, but there are certain portions of the Olympics that are pretty cool.

This, you know, right now, this is going to be the analysis. It's according to the people that know, we're having a very memorable sort of opening stage, you know, stretch here because Messi has scored five goals. And Bopi, another big star, French star, scored four. Norwegian star, I think his name's Holland. He has scored four goals in two games now. And Ronaldo finally got a goal for Portugal after not scoring.

You know, he's 41 years old. And let me just tell you, in watching it, the relief over his, the expression on his face after he scored and it was a really good goal, I think it was a good goal. I don't know what a good goal is. It looks like a good goal to me. the relief, the weight that was taken off his shoulders in that moment, because they were calling for him to be benched after the first game. Yes.

Yes. I think I threw that out there. I think you did. That was your analysis that day. Yes. I thought it was solid analysis. It was bold, though. Your analysis when it comes to hockey and soccer is always bold.

I I'll tell you the other thing too is some of these people and I've read some of the notes and they're very they're antagonizing at times because they definitely want me to read some of these and I just read a couple of them

but the idea that you know the talk about the US team this is the best chance we've ever had because we have this this guy this guy and the bracket and the whole thing. Yeah, they're not winning the World Cup. That's my analysis. But my impression is, based on, you know, my study of it is, I mean, they've already,

the impression is they've already accomplished something. Why? Because they're going to be like a seed, like, they're going to have a good, as the one, the top team out of their, um, preliminary group. Yeah. I mean, I think I've read things that already have them losing, but hey, it's been a great tournament for the Americans. Yeah.

Hey, more power to them. It's just, I don't know. It's not our sport. You know? You know what? It doesn't need to be our sport. And yet we still should, because we have 340 million people in this country, we still should have

a good national team. The team is nationally good. I think I mentioned this to you, and I'm going to pull it up right now, but let's just see what the latest odds are from My Bookie on the World Cup. And as I've said before, if you're going to bet the World Cup, do it at My Bookie, because My Bookie is offering a $500 betback bonus. That means when you use my promo code, Kevin D.C., your first World Cup wager up to $500 if it doesn't,

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they're next at plus 3,300. So they're 33 to 1 to win the World Cup, and there are exactly 10 teams in front of them. When we looked at this last week, there were nine teams that were in front of them. But I think it's Norway that's actually jumped in front of them, perhaps. And they have like a big star on their team. The U.S. plays Turkey tomorrow, or Thursday, Tommy, in Los Angeles.

but it's like a meaningless game. You know, that's something American sports fans can relate to. You know, the end of season, in this case, the end of the group stage, meaningless game. Are you going to play your starters? Are you going to rest your starters? Their star player, Polisic or Policich, he got hurt, missed the last game. I would imagine they're not going to play him.

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So I went through the list of number one overall picks in NBA draft history. We'll get to the Trey Young stuff here in a moment. And I just took the last 26 drafts from this century. It's really almost a coin flip as to whether or not you're going to get a player that's going to be a major impact player. I mean, listen to this list. So 2000, Kenyon Martin, 2001 Kwame Brown, this century started off Ofer, you know, in terms of impact players. Then you got Yao Ming, LeBron James, and Dwight Howard. But then you got Andrew Bogot,

Barniani, remember him, and Greg Oden. So, you know, that's a run of three years, where the number one pick in the draft basically amounted to nothing. Then Derek Rose, Derek Rose was an MVP before injuries derailed his career, Blake Griffin, John Wall, Kyrie Irving, and Anthony Davis, all of whom were, you know, multiple-time All-Stars. But you wouldn't, you know, other than, Kyrie, you really wouldn't say, maybe AD, to a certain degree.

None of them, you know, were LeBron James or, you know, probably not even Dwight Howard. But then you get Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins, Carl Anthony Towns, he's a multi-time all-star. Ben Simmons, Markell Fultz, and D'Andre Aiton, followed by Zion Williamson. How about that stretch starting in 2013? Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins, Carl Anthony Towns, Carl Anthony Towns, the best out of all of them, Ben Simmons, Markell Fultz, DeAndre Aiton, and Zion Williamson. And then we've had a decent run since 2020. Anthony Edwards, Cade Cunningham, Bancaro, who I think is going to become a really good player. Wembeñama, Rissachet, at this point, it's too early, but he certainly doesn't look like an impact player.

And then Cooper Flag last year. If you add it up, basically 14 number one picks have amounted to, you know, consistent NBA All-Star quality, if not more. And then 12 turned out to be basically busts. So barely over 50% hit rate. And when you had the obvious number one overall pick, like LeBron was, like Dwight Howard was, like John Wall was, he was an obvious number one pick, like Anthony Davis was, like, well, Zion Williamson's the one example here,

who he was the absolute, you know, obvious number one pick, and it has not worked out so far. But Victor Wembeyanama, Cooper Flag, when there's an obvious, like, people are saying, wow, this is the clear cut number one. It does work out more often than not, even if you go back pre-2000, you know, Duncan and Shaq and David Robinson and Patrick Ewing and Hakeem and Ralph Samson, and you can keep going back years and years. But the point here is, just because you got the number one pick, doesn't mean that it's going to work out for you.

The odds say nearly 50-50. And I mentioned that because Michael Winger, when they won the draft lottery on May 10th, he said that for Wizards fans, this is the ultimate role. award getting the number one pick. And I did remember after that draft lottery saying, yeah, that's not the ultimate reward for the three years of being terrible

and really for just basically, you know, nearly a half century of being terrible. The ultimate reward is if you get it right and pick the correct player at number one or in this draft. Yeah, that's like, that's like waiting for three years. in line to get in to see a show. You finally get a ticket to see the show, but you don't know if the show is going to be any good.

No. You don't know if the weight was worth it. No. I actually thought that was an odd, you know, comment. I think his, what he was trying to say is, you guys stuck it out with us, you endured these three years, and really glad that you could have the fun

of us being able to have the number one pick in the draft, at least once. There were several comments, made around that time. And I had written about this and not claiming that he followed my advice. But he made several comments that while not apologizing for fans having to go through this, recognized what fans had to deal with to live through this situation. You know, instead of just treating it as a formula for winning without any.

price to pay. Right. But you and I have, I think some of this we share the same viewpoint and some of it perhaps we don't because you can make the decision to do what they did and do it poorly and really botch it. And I would say to you that what they've done, they've done a lot pretty well. you know, with the draft choices, with the trades, the trades have been good value trades for them. They've accumulated all of these picks. They've added a stable of like seven first round picks. You know, several of those players show a lot of promise and may end up, even if they're not superstars, may end up being, you know, among the better players selected in those drafts in the first round.

So I think they know what they're doing. I think that they have evaluated talent well. And so I think what they've done, they've done well to date based on what you can measure. But it doesn't guarantee that it will pay off in the ultimate reward, which is a championship. I mean, the ultimate reward we want you to deliver to us, Michael Winger, is a championship. And actually, that's probably too much to ask for. So I'll just ask for championship contention. Championship contention is, you know,

just being a legitimate contender for a few years. No, not enough. Not enough. They've done that. No, they haven't. They haven't. They haven't been a championship contender. They haven't been a championship contender.

I'm saying that they can... I just put a tag on it. They make it to a conference final. Okay, that's fine, but I think that could also mean making it to the NBA finals, but not winning it. Of course it would. Okay. Yes.

I would say just making it to a conference final and not going beyond that. That's something they have not done since 1979. Yes, I'm very familiar with 1979. Great year, great song by the Smashing Pumpkins. They have to win a championship, but you have to show fans something that they haven't seen in the past 50 years. We had this conversation. in terms of defining what would make the last three years worthwhile.

I mean, it was a conversation we had, and I can't remember specifically what I said, but I'll take a swing at it because it's how I felt then, and it's probably the same that I feel now. They don't have to deliver a championship, as you said, but you've got to be a team that's regularly winning 45 to 50 plus games in the playoffs, and in some of those years, you've got a legitimate chance to make the NBA finals. Anyway.

Now, you've talked about some of the things that they've done right. You know, and we've talked about this, and I think you agree with me, while it appears that they have a core group of talented players, okay, to build on, it's hard to judge these kids. players when they're losing 17 games. No doubt. When they're winning 17 games a year.

Right. It's hard to judge talent in an extreme losing situation, let alone a losing situation, but you don't know how they'll respond. And I don't think they did themselves any favors with Brian Keith as the coach. I can't answer. I think they're going to have to learn. They're going to have to learn when he gets fired and he will at some point, probably by the end of this year, they're going to have to finally learn how to play NBA defense from another coach.

Well, I definitely agree with the idea that it's hard to evaluate all of these young players when they're not trying to win. And I think that's what they finally decided with Trey Young and Anthony Davis is that they wanted to be a competitive team in 2026, 2027, so that they can really evaluate all of their young players. Of course, you can evaluate. These players are playing in NBA games, but they're not playing in games in which winning is the goal. And by the way, for the opponent, the opponent knows it too,

so you're not always getting the best from the opponent. So I'm totally with you on that. We've talked about that before. By the way, I did find sort of the notes from the show after the lottery, and I'll tell you, it came off of somebody asking us to define, you know, what would make the three years of tanking, three years of being, you know, terrible, losing 196 games, what would make it sort of worthwhile? And I said that the definition of an ending that justifies what they just went through would be that, that, you become, and this is kind of what I said, a consistent upper echelon team in the NBA. And the definition of that would be consistently, you know, winning 45 to 50 plus games

and finishing in the top four to five of the Eastern Conference over a period of several years and making occasional deep runs during that period. You know, to the finals, winning an Eastern Conference Championship, even if it means you don't actually win a championship. That's essentially what I just said. So that's, yeah. But to your point, I feel like they're on the way to that, but I'm not entirely sure.

And tonight may be what puts them over the top, but it could have also been something that they've already done that will put them over the top. You know, it could be that Alex saw, develops into the best player. It could they. You're right. I agree.

Real quickly, somebody sent me this. It's a video and it's transcribed. But Jay Billis in the draft in which, remember, I wanted the Wizards to take Kauai Leonard and they took Jan Vesley. Somebody sent me something and said, remember this, Sheen? I did not remember this. Jay Billis, before the Wizards were on the clock at number six, said there's speculation here that the Wizards will take Kauai Leonard.

And then immediately they go to the commissioner, David Stern saying the wizard select Jan Vessaly. I don't remember. I don't remember the wizards having interest in Kauai Leonard. I really don't remember that. All right. do you have any sort of preference on what they do tonight? I'm not going to pretend since I think they've got three players in the draft who are pretty close in value and talent and can do some different things.

I'm not going to pretend that one is better than the other. one is more you know I guess you would say that Darren Peterson has the more personal question marks and it blew me away it shows a complete lack of self-awareness

when he tells people in his interview with the wizard he was surprised they asked him so much personal questions there's a lot there's a lot of you know mystery red flags all over, Darren Peterson, yes.

Yeah, but he's also, I think, by people who are in the know may be considered the highest upside. Yeah, I think he has the highest upside. I have no course. Again, I'm not, I mean, I would say normally don't go for the guy

who's going to be trouble, but half the NBA is trouble. So, I mean, that's so, It's the business. So I have no preference. I think, you know, the Bansa, a Peterson,

or Boozer even, I'd be fine with any of them. So yesterday, on yesterday's podcast, I told everybody listening that cares about this. And I know some of you don't care that much about the Wizards or the NBA draft.

But I said that I've come to the conclusion that if it's, if it can be just about basketball, meaning the wizards have to check off all the boxes of uncertainty surrounding Darren Peterson, then to me it's Darren Peterson. And in fact, I think I said on the podcast yesterday, if Darren Peterson had had a normal one year at Kansas college season without all of the missed games and pulling himself out of games, etc, he'd be easily the number one pick in this draft. There wouldn't be a question.

We would have one of those drafts where it was very obvious that Darren Peterson should be and would be the number one pick in the draft. But because of all of the questions about Darren Peterson, and I was talking about this during the regular season because he's an extraordinary talent, but he was like pulling himself out of games and missing games. And the most frustrating moment by far was when they played number one Arizona at Fogg Allen in Lawrence. And there was no talk about him missing the game. And then 20 minutes before the game, he says to Bill Self, I can't go.

And so lots of mystery. Peterson, just basketball-wise, would be my number one. Caleb Wilson, actually, I like more than DeBonsa, too. In terms of the ceiling, I do like A.J. DeBonza. for those of you that reached out to me to say, are you sure that it shouldn't be DeBonza? I'm like, no, I'm not sure. I'm not certain,

but I think the bigger ceiling is with Peterson and even Caleb Wilson. But I really do like A.J. DeBanza. I think A.J. DeBonsa can be an NBA All-Star, you know, many times over. But I think Darren Peterson and even Caleb Wilson could be a first team all NBA player down the road. and an MVP contender, you know, way down the road. I actually feel the same way about Acuff Jr. from Arkansas, but I like DeBonce a lot, but let me just get into Peterson for a moment because I did talk about this a little bit yesterday on the podcast, but I really wanted to save it for you.

It's a very interesting situation, and I actually had this guy, Daryl, who claims to be a community psychologist. I don't even know what that means. But in listening to my interview with this guy, Adam, think, Steelestein from CBS Sports. He's their director of college scouting, NBA draft guru. He's very good. He reminded me to read a story from Ramona Shelburne at ESPN from May 8th about Darren Peterson.

The story was all about his high dosages of creatine, which his people claimed caused the cramping. But what was in that story was the traumatic event that he went through last September. September before the season started. He had full body cramps in their training table at Kansas, was screaming for people to call 911. He went via ambulance to the emergency room where they found a vein. They couldn't find a vein for them to put an intravenous tube to hydrate him at the Kansas training table.

And he said, he thought he was dying. He thought he was going to die. And that moment kept him scared all season long. And it was the cause of why he pulled himself out of games because he was fearful of being in that condition again. And so I went back and read it. I think I read it on the show yesterday. And this guy, Daryl, who I don't even know what a community psychologist means, whatever, he said,

sounds like he's suffering from anxiety disorder or panic attack disorder. Ding, ding, ding. That's what I was thinking when I was listening to Adam and then I went back and read this story. By the way, this doesn't make it any better for him in terms of, oh, if this is it, this is good, we can take him. It's not that he's load managing or it's not that he, you know, is getting done. bad advice because this is, by the way, I have no idea if this is what he's suffering from or not, but it makes a lot of sense when you read his quotes from this story. He played this year scared of ending back up in the emergency room and going into a full

body cramp where he thought he was having a heart attack or thought he was dying. and it's that feeling that I think may be the true reason why he missed all of those games, even if it isn't like exactly what Daryl described. He said, there's the quote, I was in fear of what had happened and it happening again. So Kevin Love, remember, was the first NBA player. to really talk about mental illness. And he suffered from panic attack disorder. So much so that he walked off the floor during a game,

thinking that he was having a heart attack. Marty Fish, a tennis player, backed out of a big match against Roger Federer in Madison Square Garden, either the finals of the semifinals, on his way to the event because he had an anxiety attack and went to the emergency room. defaulted. This is what Cocoa Goff said she got during the U.S. Open last year, tennis-wise,

and is why Osaka, the Japanese tennis player, had a lot of issues. I'm not saying that I've got the answer here, but Darrell, I think you are onto something here. And if that's the issue, it doesn't make it easier for the Wizards to take them because it's not load managing, or it's not because he's got a bad circle of advisors. By the way, this would also explain why Kansas didn't talk a lot about this, because it was very personal to him before he opened up to Ramona Shulburn. He said I felt scared and that I would be embarrassed of having to be taken from a game and sent to the emergency room.

So I thought, I think it's, I think his, Tommy, he is such a smooth, score. Like, basketball-wise, there wouldn't even be a doubt. He'd be the number one pick if there weren't all these other things. Right. And he has a chance,

if the other stuff doesn't impact his career, he has a chance to be, I think, a really, really high-level NBA player and score. I think he's a good defender, too. but, you know, if he's suffering from something like this, you know, there are a lot, I mean, Damar DeRosen had some of this. By the way, he plays stylistically like Demar DeRosen. And he suffered from severe depression. He thought he was going to have to hang up his career. But, you know, hopefully, whatever it is, if it's something like this, you would hope that at a big place like Kansas,

you know, one of the blue blood programs in America, that he's been seen, that he's being treated for whatever it is. And if it's just that he was taking high dosages of creatine, and it's just truly a physical issue, well, they can fix that, I think. But it's possible it's more than just physical. And there's no assurances that that can be fixed. No.

No, some of that. stuff ends up becoming incredibly debilitating. It's tied very closely to, you know, depression and a lot of other things like that. So, yeah, I don't know. I think this is an, it's really an interesting choice. Obviously, there's at least not so much of a difference basketball-wise that you're really taking a risk, not drafting Peterson, because nobody's going to think anything. thing other than, yeah, A.J. DeBanza, absolutely. I would have taken him, too, because there's a real debate. But I don't think there would have been a debate had Peterson played a full college season. I think he would have been the number one pick. Well, here's one thing I'd like to see

see the Wizards do tonight. What? You know, pick one of those guys. That's fine. I'd like to see him get another pick. There are reports that they'd like to go back into the first round to take, you know, a front court player, another big in the event that Anthony did. This doesn't play a lot. And that, you know, Alex Saar needs, you know, depth. I'd like to see them do that. Yeah.

And they have the assets to do that. They do. So you're not a big fan of the Trey Young signing, I would guess. Are we going into that now? We can do it after the break. because I also just want to mention real quickly, because I do this every year with the draft. We'll do Trey Young in the next segment. But there are like, this is a draft that is interesting in that.

I think there are six, seven, eight, nine, ten players that you could legitimately say, that guy's got a chance to be a great NBA player, like an absolute stud. And you never know where they're going to come from. It's like the NFL draft. I mean, this is a total crapshoot that even the people that do it don't get it right. the majority of the time. But there are players in the draft that I just want to mention outside of the top four that I really like. I do like DeBonsa. I like Peterson and I like Caleb Wilson a little bit more. I really like Darius A Cuff Jr. I've been talking about him

since the night that he went for 49 in a double overtime loss to Alabama. He looks like Dame Lillard to me. He's going to be a big time score. He is not fine. of defense. He wasn't, at least at the college level. But, you know, all of these great small scorers get picked on. Jalen Brunson gets picked on. Other players that I like. I like Mara, the center from Michigan. I actually think, you know, at 7273, he's got really good hands, really good feet. He's an excellent passer. He's a high IQ player. I can't imagine a guy like that at 7.3 is going to go, I've seen him mocked 15, 16, 17. I would think he's going to go earlier than that.

I like, let me just go down my list here in terms of like, oh, I like Coa Pete from Arizona. And the knock against him that he's not a good shooter is fair. He's just such a high IQ basketball player. He just has some of the best feel for the game at 6-8-250. And like him as a passer, as a high post passers, as a low post passer, he can put the ball on the floor. He does not have great shooting mechanics. I agree with that. But I think he's going to play and he's going to be a very effective player.

I really like another Arizona player. I like Jaden Bradley, this six-three guard. The point guard Burries is really good too, but Bradley was just a relentless high-motor competitor. I like Braden Smith from Purdue. you can talk about his size at 5-11 or whatever. He's going to play in the NBA for a long time. He was a great college point guard. And I really like this kid from Northwestern, Tommy, Nick Martinelli.

Nick Martinelli's 6667, white kid, not overly athletic, but just can flat out play basketball. Like, he has great feel for the game. He can shoot it. He can drive it. He can finish. he's just the guy that a lot of people will say, yeah, Nick Martinelli's not an NBA player, but my God, he's going to tear up the YMCA and the Bethesda Sport and Health games for years to come.

And he is that kind of player, old school. But let me just tell you something, no matter what style of play you are, when you're at Northwestern and you're playing in the Big Ten, and you average 23 points a game, you know, you're good. and I watched him a lot because he was a Big Ten player. And not only could he score and figure out ways to score, he was clutch in a lot of the big wins. And they didn't have a lot of them.

But I like him as a player. So there are some players that I think are going to be interesting to watch in the future. And again, I would love for it to be, We found out everything we needed to know about Darren Peterson. It's all good. He's good. We take him.

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their cigar menu, and their drink. menu. Shelly's backroom at 1331 F Street Northwest. Let me just mention, because I was looking at my list of other players that I liked in the draft, I forgot one that I really like. I really like Isaiah Evans from Duke. I think he's going to be a big time score. He's got the quickest release of any of the shooters.

He's another tough, relentless competitor. I like Isaiah Evans from Duke a lot as well. All right. So yesterday, the reporting was, and I guess it can happen. and once free agency officially opens, that the Wizards are going to sign Trey Young to a four-year, $212 million deal, $53 million a year,

although the fourth year is a player option. And I reacted to this, you know, on the show last yesterday, because it had just happened. But go ahead and give me what your thoughts were when your favorite player, Trey Young, got locked up by the Wizards for the next three to four years. Well, it's a disaster. It's an absolute disaster that this guy would be your biggest financial investment is a train wreck. Okay.

Like I've said before, I don't know why the NBA cheerleaders and so infatuated with this guy. He's an assist machine. I'll grant you that. he'll get the ball to his teammates. That's if he doesn't turn it over because he has the worst turnover per game rate in the history of the NBA. Okay. All these young players who are going to be mentored by Trey Young,

they're not going to learn defense from this guy. No, that's true. Because he's one of the worst defenders in the league. He's terrible. Okay. So to make this kind of investment in a player with so many, flaws, some very strong assets. He's a score. No doubt about it. You know, he'll put points up there, but he needs the ball to do it. Okay, like most scores do, I guess it's kind of ridiculous to say,

but he really needs the ball to do it. So I just think to have this kind of investment is an absolute disaster. I think, look, I think it's there because they, like I wrote when they traded for Anthony Davis. They announced that trade the same day they announced their high-priced seating area in the arena, their exclusive, rich seating section. You can't sell those tickets with kids, even if it's the number one pick in the draft. It's not Cooper Flag. That's going to be the number one pick in the draft.

It's not LeBron James. So you can't sell those. tickets with kids, you need a name, you need some credentials, you need an All-Star. That's why Trey Young is here. That's why Trey Young is here. This is a TED move, I think, as much as anything. And they're going to regret this contract. Not as much as giving Bradley Beal a no trade clause and treating him like he was a superstar player. No, that is much worse. So I, you know, at first glance, I was like, what? $253 million a year?

Like, just some facts about this deal. And it's not signed yet, but this is what the reporting is. First of all, at $53 million a year, doesn't even put him in the top 12 of NBA average salaries. It puts him at 13th in the NBA at average salaries. He was at 17 overall with his last deal in terms of what he earned last year. Secondly, this is not a max deal. The Wizards with the Bird Rights could have offered him up to $75 million more in overall contract value. They didn't.

It would have been a max deal had another team signed him to four years, $212 million. I think there are a couple of things here. Number one is, you know, the reporting heading into this was three for 120, three for 130, you know, three for 140, something like that. So, you know, somewhere in the 40 to 50 million dollar range. I mean, when we get up to these numbers, it's really, oh, my God, and 53 million instead of, what, 47 million a year. But part of it is also the fact that, you know, he has control for four years with this

team and he's here for the next three. and you know I think I think it was Brian Windhorst this morning that literally said about the Tray Young contract it's one of the worst deals in the league and if they if they ever wanted to move them it would be impossible they'd have to actually include a first round pick

to trade him to somebody willing to take on that contract so just a couple of things you know about the deal specifically I think that it's a bad deal if he couldn't have gotten this on the open market. Now, we'll never know for sure, but I will say this, there have been some reports

that Brooklyn and maybe another team or two would have... Chicago would have been interested in giving Tray Young this deal as an unrestricted free agent. In part, Tommy, and I think the Wizards knew this, it's a bad free agent year. There just aren't a lot of them. I know that. And so...

I know that. But don't let bad teams lead you around by your nose. Well, so the number one goal for the Wizards is they didn't trade for him to then just let him go in free agency after he played five games for them. They wanted him to be a part of a stretch here where they could play competitive basketball and they could really evaluate their young players. All the while, hopefully winning 45 games being a five-season. and making the Eastern Conference playoffs. And that's why they ultimately ended up doing the Anthony Davis deal as well. Now, Davis, you know, his health is always a question mark.

But I did not like the Trey Young deal when it was done, but I liked it a lot more. I'm talking about the trade, a lot more after they traded for Anthony Davis. It's just me, but I actually think the two of them, there's something about the two of them together as teammates that I think will work. And I think the supporting pieces, including whomever they take tonight, and by the way, if they did take Darren Peterson, I think Peterson and Young can play together. I think Peterson can play off the ball. I actually think Trey Young would be interesting off the ball, but that's another story altogether. I'll tell you one thing. The Atlanta Hawks certainly didn't see this coming because they wouldn't have traded him for Corey Kisper and an expiring contract in C.J. McCollum. They thought

that, you know, his big money days were over. But I think from the wizard's standpoint, they absolutely wanted to have him on the team. And so, understanding that, and I believe that to be true, if there was somebody out there that was going to pay him this deal and he was going to leave, then they had to pay him this deal. It's probably more than they wanted to give him. They can certainly afford it, certainly for the next couple of years.

But there is a chance, certainly that this deal looks like. one of the worst in recent memory if they, if he doesn't play really well, and the team doesn't play well with him on this deal. Let me just point out something. That's what I would say about it.

About, you know, having a guy like this, you know, put your team in a situation to play in competitive games and that's part of the development of these young players. Okay. If that's the case,

why didn't they just keep C.J. McCallum. Because C.J. McCallum. Who couldn't wait. Yeah. Who couldn't wait to get rid of this guy, got McCallum. McCallum. All he did was lead them to the NBA playoffs. Well, he played very well. He was actually playing.

Part of the problem was he was playing too well here, and they were winning games with him in the lineup, and they couldn't afford to win games. I mean, C.J. McCallum is 30. Because he's 35 years old. Why not use him? He's 35 years old. He's not perfect. You don't need them around for five years. Can I tell you something about C.J. McCollum? Scott told me this. I didn't know this. Scott's actually, Van Peltz actually become friendly with C.J. McCollum over the years. He said that he is one of the most well-liked players in the league. He said he's an absolute pleasure to be around. Like he's a real grown-up, a really good dude. And they love, by the way, the Hawks added, signed him yesterday to a one-year, $21 million deal.

I think it's obviously because he's, you know, middle-aged, getting to the point where he's going to age out of this league. And Trey Young is young and a true dynamic playmaker in the league. Look, Tommy, there are a lot of bad contracts in the NBA. I mean, we can go through a lot of terrible contracts. in the NBA with players who are definitely not worth it. And he may end up being on that list. I think the key to evaluate what the Wizards did is whether or not somebody else was willing

to give him this deal, because you wanted to keep him, you could afford to keep him, but you went over what you thought he was worth to keep him because somebody else or there was going to be a bidding war. for him. If that's true, I'm not angry with Winger and Dawkins. If there wasn't somebody out there willing to give him anywhere near this, they just way

overpaid for this player. Well, I think there probably was. I think there probably was, but that doesn't do anything for me. It's chasing one bad decision with another. You know, well, we traded for this guy. We better keep him.

Yeah. Well, Trey Young. And by the way, everybody that says, well, Peterson needs the ball. So that means they're going to take DeBonson. Let me say DeBonson needs the ball. I've watched DeBonsa. He needs the ball.

You know what? Every great player in the league starts with the ball most of the time, including Wembe. It's a positionless NBA that we're in now. Basketball's just changed. And your superstar players tend to be more ball dominant, unless you're on teams like the Warriors, where, you know, they involve every player, typically in their offensive approach. Real quickly, the big trade.

Silly warriors. Silly warriors. The big trade of the day, Janus to Miami, I just have one comment on this because apparently Milwaukee had two options, Miami and Boston, and actually a few others, but those were the two best. I just personally, if I were a Milwaukee Bucks fan would be pissed that they didn't trade him to the Celtics for Jalen Brown into two first round picks. It's like, you know, Cleveland, as in the Browns, are a bad organization, but Haslam told, you know, Andrew Barry, I want a player back if we're getting rid of Miles Garrett. I want another star back. Draft picks are crapshoots, and they got Jared verse back in the

trade. I don't get it, man. you could have gotten Jalen Brown back in this deal, and he is a star already. I love Jalen Brown. I think he's an absolute killer. And I love Jalen Brown, and I consider him to be a superstar. Maybe not top five, but top 10, for sure. And I just, if I were in Milwaukee, taking, you know, looking ahead to the future

and taking all of those picks and including number 13 tonight and Tyler Hero, and I love Jaime Hockes, by the way. I loved him coming out. In fact, my guy, Nick Martinelli from Northwestern, reminds me a little bit of Jaime Hockes. But I just wouldn't, I'd want a superstar back. I don't understand that trade, but they have a different mindset, future mindset. All right, I do want to talk a little bit about this lock and for a thing on Dan

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By the way, did you have a reaction to the Brandon IUC latest video? You know, go commanders, go commanders, go commanders. You know, putting out there. I'm just curious. Yeah. What is, who does Brandon Iuke think the wizard should draft? Ah, that's the key question. Because he's like, he's a DMV here now.

He's already a DMVer. He just hasn't gotten here yet. So Jason Lockenforah, I think most of you know who he is. He used to cover the team for the post years ago, CBS Sports. I don't even know all the places he's written for. I think he's got a radio show or used to in Baltimore. But Jason, in writing for sports boom, I don't know what that is, but basically wrote that Dan Quinn, according to his sources,

is on the hot seat entering 2026. He wrote, when a team makes as sweeping staff changes as Washington did, did the industry views that as putting the head coach on notice. And then he revealed that a longtime NFL personnel executive told him, quote, keep an eye on Sean McDermott there next year. Just remember who told you first, closed quote. Well, we don't know who that longtime NFL personnel executive is that told Jason Lock and 4 that Sean McDermott might be the skin's new head coach.

So we won't remember who it was that said it. But we will remember if he ends up becoming the head coach that it was said. So let me just real quickly. If they chased off Dan Quinn and they hired another defensive head coach, my jaw would hit the ground. It's the same guy, basically. a defensive head coach who, heck, this guy never made a Super Bowl. David Blow is a much big, has better odds to become the next head coach than Sean McDermott, in my opinion, if there's going to be a coaching change.

So let me ask you the question that I actually asked callers off of this story on Monday show, on the radio show. describe Dan Quinn's seat in, you know, using a temperature description heading into this season. Well, it depends on degrees of heat. Describe it the way you want. Okay. If he has a season, if they have a season like last year, that's 500 degrees hot. Okay. if they win but miss the playoffs,

that's maybe 300 degrees hot. If they make the playoffs, he's back next year. Is 300, 300, 300's not warming. You got to go less than 300 for it to be warm. Okay. So I'm going to put you at 275. Okay, put me at 275, Julie's child. Okay.

So, I mean, I would describe his seat as lukewarm. I mean, it's, and as far as what you said, if he has a season like last year, if he has a season for last, like last year, and it's because of what it was because of last year, I don't know how you could blame him. This is the problem I have with people that think he should be on the hot seat. Did you pay attention to his team last year? Yeah, they were five and 12, and yes, they had some terrible outings. Kevin, he thought there was a problem because he fired both his coordinators.

If you think that the coordinators or their OTA practice intensity was anywhere near in the realm as important or as impactful as not having your best players for the majority of the game, I can't help you. Like if I own the football team, now I wouldn't want him making any of my people publicly, you know, listing injuries as the reason. That's not what those people do. We can do that.

And, you know, in that interview with Evan Washburn last week, he actually talked about, like, we didn't have the intensity from the beginning in OTAs, and I've showed the players that. I love that he did that. I think that was,

I think that's good coaching. But the reason that they had a terrible season is their best players, specifically their best player, who's also their quarterback, didn't play much football. So I can't hold him accountable at a level that would, if I were the owner, have him or have me thinking about, oh, he better get off to a good start or he better have a good season or it's over. Now, look, there's a lot of other things to evaluate him on that I don't have all the information on. I know this. Everybody that I've talked to over two years says they love Dan Quinn.

He's a fantastic human being. He's an incredible leader. And he, more than anybody else, has flipped the culture of this franchise. Does that mean he's a great football coach? No, I didn't say anything about being a great football coach. Does that mean that he's immune to two bad seasons? in a row for whatever reasons they are from being fired? Nope. I'm just telling you that if I were the owner, I would not have him on any kind of seat after the season he had last year because

of the reasons they had the season last year. Now, your reasoning doesn't hold up for the coach himself. If he approached it the same way you did, they'd have the state, at least to have their Offensive coordinator back. Okay. We've had this kind of, do you want to go down this path again? The defensive coordinator, the defensive coordinator had to be swapped out because the defense has been bad for two years. So can we, we can move on from Joe Whit Jr. by the way, when he was calling it too. So we can move on from Joe Whit Jr., right? There's no debate that he needed to be fired. But the defense was bad when Quinn was calling it to. Okay. It also had bad players on the field, right? Right.

Okay, so offensively, I feel like we've done this a hundred times already. Quinn and maybe even Adam Peters to a certain degree, they just wanted a different style of offense after two years of Cliff Kingsbury. And they didn't want to lose David Blow, period. And they made a decision. He's not blaming. If they had a winning season, if they had a winning season. I don't know what would have happened, but it would have been much, it would have been much harder, obviously.

Yeah. Yeah. But I just, let me give you the one scenario that I think would be a bad scenario for Quinn. If the team were to go, let's just say, nine and eight with an offense that was what it was in 2024, top three, top four in the league. like a really good offense. The quarterback's healthy. He's incredible again. And they're just really borderline unstoppable at times offensively.

But they go nine and eight in the same way Cincinnati did two years ago because the defense was horrendous. Joe Burrow should have been the MVP two years ago, but they were nine and eight. They missed the playoffs by a game. And it's because the defense was so bad. If the team next year is like nine and eight misses the playoffs, because the defense was terrible, and it was in part because they didn't get it right with

Durante Jones. I think at that point, he's accountable for that one. I've told you, I think the hiring of Blow and Durante Jones are completely different. Blow was organizational. Everybody's on board with Blow. Durante Jones was more Dan. And if that defense sucks for a third straight year, and it's not personnel related, but they're miscommunication and they don't look right, you know, coaching-wise.

He could be in trouble if it costs them a season, you know, with a great offense. But I really have a hard time believing that it could be anywhere near as bad as was last year or even the year before. You know, it could be, you know, it could end up being that. But I have a feeling it's got to be improved with the players they added. and I don't know anything about Durante Jones. I mean, he could screw the whole thing up. If Durante Jones was a bad hire, that could put him in jeopardy.

But other than that, I just find a hard time. You know, look, the Minnesota game last year was inexplicable. He was despondent over it. So injuries didn't explain that kind of effort. But Ben has said this to me so many times. You know, most seasons that we saw that ended the way that season, ended last year in this town over the last 25 years, ended with complete chaos.

And there was none of that in the locker room. Everybody still believed in Quinn. Everybody still believed in what they could be if everybody, you know, comes back and is healthy. That's a good point. So subject to change, of course. Real quickly, before we finish up, there is a breaking NFL story that the NFL is elected not

to hold a supplemental draft for Brendan Sorsby. The NFL's decision came down to the league's right in the collective bargaining agreement to hold a draft as league officials felt it would ultimately become a distraction to teams as they begin to start training camp. His application carries with it a lot of issues. Core of the game integrity issues. Yeah, he bet $90 worth of bets minimum on. Indiana football games and he was part of the roster.

Yeah, I mean, that's, I was, I was, I didn't think of this when first he said he was going to enter the supplemental draft, the fact that the NFL didn't have to do it. I didn't, I didn't think of that as a potential result. It's so, it's a bit surprising to me, but I understand if they don't have to do it, per the CBA, why subject the league to all of the controversy oversores me? I agree. I hope this guy, you know, gets his act together and figures out and, you know, whatever the mental health issues are. But he's not going to play football, it looks like. You do know, though, that the NIL money, he gets to keep. Apparently up to $5 million he was paid and he gets to keep that.

That's unbelievable. I think it makes it probably worth it in the short term. The Nats beat the Phillies last night. I was excited about that. And I'll tell you, Tommy. guy can pitch that 30-year-old rookie. He's an all-star. That's crazy, right?

Forrest Griffin is an all-star. I mean, seven and a third, four hits, one earned run against that Philly's lineup. Foster Griffin, this lefty can really do it. Two guys,

two guys who they made personnel decisions on. Forrest Griffin, they signed from Japan. Foster Griffin, yeah. Curtis Meade. Yeah. they picked up off, you know, off the scrap heap have been very positive and very influential in the resurgence of the net. I mean, three games over 500 and we're two games short of the halfway mark.

And they're playing the big boys. They're playing the Phillies. And they did take one off of Tampa. And the other games were competitive games. I mean, they shut down a lineup that was red-hot. I mean, Schwarber and Harper came into this series on fire. Harper hit for the cycle over the weekend for the first time in his career. All right, good job today.

Enjoy the NBA draft, everybody. Tommy, I'll talk to you on Thursday. Okay, boss.